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THAT is an impressive bit of information there Fronta! :tu: Thank's for putting it all together. :salute:
Defender;
I read your article about the Fischer-stamped Soldier, and I found some information for you.
R.M. Fischer is a distributor in Estonia (not Lithuania, as some thought). The new company is still located in Estonia and serves all of the Baltic region. Their #1-selling product is Victorinox poxket knives. However, the knife you have is from the earlier company. Like other distributors (Victor, Kellam, etc.) they stamped their name on the tangs of some of the knives they distribute. The gold-colored anodizing you see is actually brass anodized over the aluminum handles. This makes the brass more corrosion-resistant, while doing very little for the aluminum (since aluminum doesn't tarnish much at all) except make it look nicer. This was likely done second-hand and not by Victorinox. Fischer stopped anodizing their products in 1973, but that doesn't mean that they did it. It could've been done at home or in a shop somewhere as a project.
The model you have, with the rounded awl and cut-away handle scale, was made between 1966 and 1973. It sold for about $11 in 1969, and if it were in new condition, it would be worth about $110 now. That's including the brass anodizing. My source for all of this is a very nice, very old man who has enough old knife books to rival Case Cutlery. Hopefully, this has helped you in establishing where your knife is from, and what it is.
Josh
I have some doubts about some infos. The old style awl was made between 1957 and 1960. If you look at the old yellow catalog page you can see the handwritten year 1958 in the upper right corner.
From 1961 Victorinox used the newer awl, also in the new soldier knife.
If the Fisher knife was made later in the 60s, they must have used older parts, but it does not really make sense.
And I don`t think that alox knives were eloxated or anodized after they have left the factory in Ibach. That would not make sense either.
I have some doubts about some infos. The old style awl was made between 1957 and 1960. If you look at the old yellow catalog page you can see the handwritten year 1958 in the upper right corner.
From 1961 Victorinox used the newer awl, also in the new soldier knife.
If the Fisher knife was made later in the 60s, they must have used older parts, but it does not really make sense.
And I don`t think that alox knives were eloxated or anodized after they have left the factory in Ibach. That would not make sense either.
Oh, and here's the info I have on my gold one, as supplied by a member named Josh:QuoteDefender;
I read your article about the Fischer-stamped Soldier, and I found some information for you.
R.M. Fischer is a distributor in Estonia (not Lithuania, as some thought). The new company is still located in Estonia and serves all of the Baltic region. Their #1-selling product is Victorinox poxket knives. However, the knife you have is from the earlier company. Like other distributors (Victor, Kellam, etc.) they stamped their name on the tangs of some of the knives they distribute. The gold-colored anodizing you see is actually brass anodized over the aluminum handles. This makes the brass more corrosion-resistant, while doing very little for the aluminum (since aluminum doesn't tarnish much at all) except make it look nicer. This was likely done second-hand and not by Victorinox. Fischer stopped anodizing their products in 1973, but that doesn't mean that they did it. It could've been done at home or in a shop somewhere as a project.
The model you have, with the rounded awl and cut-away handle scale, was made between 1966 and 1973. It sold for about $11 in 1969, and if it were in new condition, it would be worth about $110 now. That's including the brass anodizing. My source for all of this is a very nice, very old man who has enough old knife books to rival Case Cutlery. Hopefully, this has helped you in establishing where your knife is from, and what it is.
Josh
I don't know if any of this helps the info you have amassed or not, but that's what I've been told.
Def
Thx for compiling the info Fronta :tu: :cheers:
was there ever a gunmetal blue pioneer?Gunmetal like the Cadet? No...take a look ...
was there ever a gunmetal blue pioneer?Gunmetal like the Cadet? No...take a look ...
http://www.aloxworld.com/AloxWorld/Victorinox-Alox-Pioneer.html
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Pioneer
Holy thread necro batman! Has anyone determined if the plain cross gold alox Pioneer was a special run? It looks as if the plain cross model was made at least some point after the +PAT was dropped from the can opener. At least one model was paired with matching brass liners.
This is also an awesome thread that needs more visibility, imo.
So ... after reading all of the above it seems that my unknown Pioneer is a very rare 1970's * 2220 Ub (USA)And simply awesome. :tu:
So ... after reading all of the above it seems that my unknown Pioneer is a very rare 1970's * 2220 Ub (USA)And simply awesome. :tu:
So ... after reading all of the above it seems that my unknown Pioneer is a very rare 1970's * 2220 Ub (USA)
Thanks magentus. that's what I told him but he was still skeptical. so i showed some links of other pioneers and even the Xs. like this one from DLTThere's a name for that construction method... let me see if I can find it.
http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-t7tzgd0/products/21671/images/68140/victorinox-pioneer-x-top__24676.1461596647.1280.1280.JPG?c=2
It's called "crinking" and is done on purpose to fit all tools in a smaller package.
In fact it's done so precise that it shouldn't be noticeable when the blade is opened.
With the exception of the combo tool.It's called "crinking" and is done on purpose to fit all tools in a smaller package.
In fact it's done so precise that it shouldn't be noticeable when the blade is opened.
Extremely helpful, Nick! Thank you :tu:
I did ask him if there is any scratch on the blade, and he said none. This is one indicator I use if a blade's alignment is not as designed.
With the exception of the combo tool.It's called "crinking" and is done on purpose to fit all tools in a smaller package.
In fact it's done so precise that it shouldn't be noticeable when the blade is opened.
Extremely helpful, Nick! Thank you :tu:
I did ask him if there is any scratch on the blade, and he said none. This is one indicator I use if a blade's alignment is not as designed.
This one scratches the blade slightly on all knives I own which have it.
It's confirmed by a handfull of members too.
Same thing with Cadets and Sportsmans with the file.... and most soldiers that have seen any use, blade rub from the awl
That's absolutely normal. I'm surprised your acquaintance doesn't realise that if it was straight it would bash into the awl and wouldn't close properly. :D
Superb Swiss engineering!
All Pioneers, Farmers, Soldiers and SI's will look the same.
Not every Solo has a straight blade, some (most?) have the crinked blade.That's absolutely normal. I'm surprised your acquaintance doesn't realise that if it was straight it would bash into the awl and wouldn't close properly. :D
Superb Swiss engineering!
All Pioneers, Farmers, Soldiers and SI's will look the same.
Yes the Pioneer solo is the only 93mm with a straight blade, as far as I know.
That's absolutely normal. I'm surprised your acquaintance doesn't realise that if it was straight it would bash into the awl and wouldn't close properly. :D
Superb Swiss engineering!
All Pioneers, Farmers, Soldiers and SI's will look the same.
Yes the Pioneer solo is the only 93mm with a straight blade, as far as I know.
Sadly, it seems the majority of the Solos out there now have the crinked, non-centered blade. It really sucks too, because that blade looks so stupid in there.Not every Solo has a straight blade, some (most?) have the crinked blade.That's absolutely normal. I'm surprised your acquaintance doesn't realise that if it was straight it would bash into the awl and wouldn't close properly. :D
Superb Swiss engineering!
All Pioneers, Farmers, Soldiers and SI's will look the same.
Yes the Pioneer solo is the only 93mm with a straight blade, as far as I know.
How about the 108 Solo?Good question, Nick. Mine's straight.
You know that's how we roll :whistle:How about the 108 Solo?Good question, Nick. Mine's straight.
Not every Solo has a straight blade, some (most?) have the crinked blade.
Do you mean asymmetrical versus symmetrical?Thanks magentus. that's what I told him but he was still skeptical. so i showed some links of other pioneers and even the Xs. like this one from DLTThere's a name for that construction method... let me see if I can find it.
http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-t7tzgd0/products/21671/images/68140/victorinox-pioneer-x-top__24676.1461596647.1280.1280.JPG?c=2
Nope. Meant "crinking"Do you mean asymmetrical versus symmetrical?Thanks magentus. that's what I told him but he was still skeptical. so i showed some links of other pioneers and even the Xs. like this one from DLTThere's a name for that construction method... let me see if I can find it.
http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-t7tzgd0/products/21671/images/68140/victorinox-pioneer-x-top__24676.1461596647.1280.1280.JPG?c=2