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Title: Help of the Sages
Post by: The_Raven on July 12, 2018, 06:52:30 AM

I have been reading this forum quite extensively recently (much to the detriment of other responsibilities. . .  :-\) and decided to ask the sages of MTo for help in my next MT purchase. This is also a bit of an introductory, and as such, will likely be long-winded (set the standard straight away, I always say)

So I do not have an extensive History with MT's, but have developed a great love for them. I have only owned a SOG powerassist and Gerber Center drive (as far as non-generic MT's go) I have loved both of these for various reasons, but I am in the market for a new one to better fit current circumstances/desires and would love some informed advice.

I was until recently carrying the center drive in it's holster on my belt. I was in maintenance work and loved it for that. Now, however, I need an MT that will pocket carry. I'm planning on making my own pocket organizer for an EDC that it will fit in. I'll first discuss my activities where an MT would be handy, then list some of the tools/features I would prefer, then lastly, which MT's I'm currently looking at.

First, I'm a jack-of-all trades. My friends regularly ask me to help them move (and then put together their furniture for them) do minor mechanical repairs ( had to replace a friend's power steering line in the middle of a parking lot) and fix things around the house. I do electrical, plumbing, etc. I also work on computers and fix electronics. Probably all pretty basic stuff for this community.

I want an MT that is versatile. It has to be a pocket carry, as a belt holster no longer fits into my repertoire. I want a good set of pliers. I've never owned a SAK (I know! Have mercy, no stoning please) but I struggle with the idea behind it versus a clamshell/ pliers configuration. (I understand the benefits of portability, which I'm open to arguments in favor of if it turns out one would best suit my listed desires) I also desire outside access to tools if at all possible, I'm not a fan of having to open the tool for access.

As far as tools go, I deeply desire a 1/4" bit holder. It is my single favorite feature on my center drive. I do plan on carrying a bit set as well (adds some to the bulk, but love the versatility) aside from that, I also prefer a blade, an awl, and a good set of wire cutters (my least favorite feature of the center drive, but a very loved one of the power assist). I also am starting to think a saw would be a good choice. Up until recently, I was thinking scissors as well, but am reconsidering that.

I do want scissors in my EDC, but I'm thinking about carrying a dedicated set because many places I go, whipping out an MT could draw unwanted attention, so having the scissors as a separate cutting option would be nice. (considering the slip n snip, or county comm 3.5" shears)

Right now, the MT's I've been looking at are the SOG power access/power litre/ power pint, the Leatherman wingman (although with my reconsideration of the saw and scissors, maybe I should lean towards sidekick), LM juice CS4, and possibly a Swiss spirit x (I'm actually not sure which specific model of Swiss tool, it's relatively recent on my list)

I love the concept of the 1/4" bit holder, size, and outside tool access of the SOGs. And I know I love the compound leverage and balisong style opening. However, the QC issues I read about are a major concern to me (probably already would have bought one if it wasn't for that. . . Sad. . .  :-\)

I've always been reticent about Leatherman. For one, I do not like their driver bits (at least in concept as I have never used them admittedly). I don't like the idea of flattened Phillips heads or anything like that. I like the full 3D Phillips head on my SOG. I also tend not to like mainstream things, so when I learned that Leatherman was considered the standard, i naturally resisted being a joiner. . .  :whistle: however, they do have some pocketable options, and the reputation of quality is enough to help me push past this reticence. The price on the juice has stayed my hand for now, as I would really need to be convinced of it to justify the price for something that looks somewhat flimsy.

I've done the least amount of research on the Victorinox. I've just read outstanding comments on their amazing quality and they too seem to have some pocketable options. However, I would really have to be convinced that it was the one to blow that much of my tool budget on it.

I am willing, and even interested, in modding my MT. I don't have extensive experience in this, but I have a mechanical aptitude and am a fast learner, so as long as it's not too complicated a mod, I would consider it to turn an MT into a more suitable fit for me.

Again, most of what I have said is based on research and personal ponderings, not in experience with the tools. Thus, I am ready to accept that some of my assumptions are wrong or expectations need adjustment. I am also very willing to consider options that I have not yet listed. So, if any of you experienced members have the time, I would appreciate your input.

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Mechanickal on July 12, 2018, 07:17:56 AM

Welcome!
:waving:

First:
Get a Victorinox Classic on your keychain.
Or a Leatherman Micra... but rather no Leatherman you said so Vic it is.

This will take care of your need for scissors and a Classic can be taken from your pocket virtualy anywhere without someone raising an eyebrow.

They are small, but cut REALLY well.

The actual multi:
You have to hold a Swisstool Spirit before you understand the fit and finish! They're superb.
While reading your post, I thought "this guy needs a Spirit" it does lack a bit driver, but has all outside opening tools!

I compensate for the bit driver myself by carrying a Topeak ratchet with me. The added advantage is that I can turn a bolt (which takes a driver ofcourse) and hold the nut with my MT.

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 12, 2018, 07:30:59 AM

You've, incidentally, covered most of your own ground here. What is left, that we can recommend, is mostly subjective.
Welcome to MT.o! :cheers:

If this helps, I was resistant to the LM bit sets, because of the same reasons you are. I finally tried them and couldn't be happier. The 21pc set gives you 42 different drivers. And they aren't really "flat", but just not as thick one way as the other. 

I use a Surge with the bit kit in sheath, but the Surge and Wave can take the optional pocket clip, which works very well.

Leatherman mainstream? Using that logic, Victorinox and Gerber are out as well.  :D Multitools, in reality, are not mainstream. Most people don't use them, and even fewer, carry them. :tu:

Anyway, I hope that was helpful. Many more, more experienced, members may chime in here.

The Vic Spirit is very nice, but you'll be limited with the bit driver system and minuscule wire cutter section(the pliers don't open wide either). It all depends on what you think you'll need it for. Fit and finish don't make a tool more able.

My final recommendation is a used LM Wave with optional pocket clip and bit set. Bit cards can be put in many places without being bulky. And, just for the record, the LM phillips bit, bites and drives, better than the SOG PowerAssist phillips. :)

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Mechanickal on July 12, 2018, 07:35:28 AM

^^^ Good points there! ^^^

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: The_Raven on July 12, 2018, 11:08:40 AM

Awesome, thanks for the replies already! First off, while my hipster attitude made me hold off on a LM up until now, I am not so resistant anymore. I actually have looked at the Micra with serious considerations. Is it worth the $30?

GLBM - great to see your reply. I just spent way too long reading your adventures on the 30 day PAD challenge. I was really hoping for that lineup to be viable. Come on SOG, get it together!  :rant: Anyway, the main thing that's held me back from looking too seriously at the wave is most reviews claim it's too big for pocket carry. Do you disagree with that? I'll have to see if I can find a good deal on a used one. Also, points taken on the "mainstream" argument. My only exposure to multitools has really been the internet and one guy I worked with. So I fully admit that my opinions up to this point are at a very infantile stage. I honestly didn't know Victorinox made any MT besides the SAK until recently. . .  :oops:

Again, thanks guys. Appreciate the advice

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Poncho65 on July 12, 2018, 11:53:51 AM

Welcome to :MTO: :cheers:

My first thought for you would be a Wave as well :salute: Did you read the pocketability issue here :think: Cause most here that pocket the Wave don't think it is too big ??? :D Of course those are the same people that probably also pocket carry a Surge :rofl: The LM bits are also very good and I have used them for a long while without issue :tu: I even carry the LM bit adapter for using them on my square shanked MTs as well :cheers: Really it will be up to you though and have you thought about just getting one of the nite eze stick on clips for your Center Drive :think: there are several members here who have had great luck using those as well :tu:

Let us know what you end up getting and pics of what you currently have please :whistle: :like:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 12, 2018, 01:54:36 PM

Quote from: The_Raven on July 12, 2018, 11:08:40 AM

Awesome, thanks for the replies already! First off, while my hipster attitude made me hold off on a LM up until now, I am not so resistant anymore. I actually have looked at the Micra with serious considerations. Is it worth the $30?

GLBM - great to see your reply. I just spent way too long reading your adventures on the 30 day PAD challenge. I was really hoping for that lineup to be viable. Come on SOG, get it together!  :rant: Anyway, the main thing that's held me back from looking too seriously at the wave is most reviews claim it's too big for pocket carry. Do you disagree with that? I'll have to see if I can find a good deal on a used one. Also, points taken on the "mainstream" argument. My only exposure to multitools has really been the internet and one guy I worked with. So I fully admit that my opinions up to this point are at a very infantile stage. I honestly didn't know Victorinox made any MT besides the SAK until recently. . .  :oops:

Again, thanks guys. Appreciate the advice

:hatsoff:
You're quite welcome.  :)
Regarding pocket ability, we have some members who believe a Vic SAK camper or huntsman are too big for a pocket. And then we have members who pocket carry tools like the center-drive without issue.
It ia soooo subjective. :ahhh
The Wave with a pocket clip is very well centered, in regards to, people who have sheath carried heavier tools.

The Micra is a good value, if you can find one for $20 or so. :)

O.k. In regard to the PowerAccess. The tool's design and functionality are great. The quality control and sub-par toolset really make it a hard one to recommend. But, with that said, it DID do what it was supposed to so.  It just didn't do it well. :facepalm: I was able to complete the challenge without issue, but some of our less forgiving participants had to ease out of the challenge, admittedly, for reasons related to quality control of the PowerAccess and PowerAccess Deluxe.

Perhaps they will revise the tool and re-release it with the issues taken care of. But, the PA and PAD still have that stellar compound leverage system and use all-outboard tools  :)

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Wspeed on July 12, 2018, 02:23:01 PM

Welcome to  :MTO: :cheers:
I still really like the SOG PAD
The worst thing about the PAD is the file
But it does work as you might of seen on the challenge
The can opener did work just not as well as a SAK can opener
Apart from that the PAD did everything we used it for
And to be honest I hardly ever use the can opener or the file
All cans seem to be going to ring pull anyway
And using the file would be no problem
as it does work just not as good as a LM one
But I don’t really use the file much anyway on any MT

I hope you find what you are looking for
The LM Surge is what I would go for
but the LM Wave is good as well just a bit smaller  :tu:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Old Boy on July 12, 2018, 04:09:55 PM

Certainly not as wise as the folks here but as you mentioned the Wave would cover your needs. Maybe just add the bit extender as it seems you use this function a lot.

But the Wave would not fit my definition of pocket carry as too heavy and big. But that’s just me as I work mainly in the office. If you are on the same inclination maybe check out the Leatherman PS4 and pair it with a SAK Cadet.

Or like you said get the Wingman or Sidekick and pair it a SAK SD for the scissors. Or get those foldable sewing scissors.

Good luck!!

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: SteveC on July 12, 2018, 04:53:09 PM

Welcome to MTO !  :cheers:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Antti Lammi on July 12, 2018, 05:28:28 PM

I would go also go on cause its versatile and light weight compared to surge, if tool size doesnt matter i would go Surge over Wave but if needed smaller then Wave. Micra has good pair of scissor but waves scissor ate good but in my opinion Micra has better one and its small. Heres my set and added Surge to compare sizes(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180712/5f897827052f60b3ff07fa8fe9ba7176.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180712/0856a2f291a657a47363809ac2a690c5.jpg)

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Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Antti Lammi on July 12, 2018, 05:29:18 PM

And welcome

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Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Antti Lammi on July 12, 2018, 05:37:37 PM

Heres packed version(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180712/58354830bbcbf82a72b522b1ac37f84d.jpg)

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Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: pfrsantos on July 12, 2018, 06:02:10 PM

Welcome aboard!

 :cheers: :tu:

From what you say, I'm tempted to say you should get a Wave with bit set. Despite being flattened, the bits work very well. In terms of weight/size, depending on your own weight/size, I'd say it can be carried confortably in your pocket. You don't sound like someone who dresses in a 3-piece suit everyday. Jeans or cargo pants (even chinos) have big enough pockets for a Wave.

Try to find someone who owns one (or go into a store) and ask to see how it feels in your pocket. Try different pockets to see how you like it.

 :salute:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: The_Raven on July 12, 2018, 07:49:55 PM

Thanks for all the replies! This is a helpful community.
Santos - I actually do wear suits quite frequently. Not always a three piece, but sometimes. (I'm unpredictable!) But to be honest, my suit pockets seem deeper than most of my other pants pockets. I just don't think the fabric would take as much wear (hopefully the pocket organizer would help with that)

GLBM - valid point. I did actually try to pocket carry the center drive, and the weight of it didn't bother me at all. However, some of my pants have rather shallow pockets (Dickies anyone?) and that pocket had to room with my keys, flashlight, and own, and so the bulk of it became difficult. (lack of a pocket organizer contributed to the pocket chaos. If you haven't noticed, I'm putting a lot of hope into a pocket organizer to help me accomplish my goals) Thus, physical dimensions probably are a bigger factor for me.

OTM - nice load out. Do you pocket carry that wave setup?

Mechanical (?) - I still do want to get a Spirit. However, right now I'm thinking I'll hold off. They look nice, but I don't think I can justify the price to daily functional value at this point. (Maybe my opinion will change once I actually get one)

W - good to see you here too! Yeah, the PA is a nice concept, and I'll likely break down and get one eventually. An article on MTo earlier this year said a SOG rep acknowledged the QC issue and stated that they are working on it. Hopefully by the time my willpower gives out and I grab one, they'll have straightened all of that or.

Poncho - I will get pix loaded as soon as I figure out how. ( Having some difficulties on that part. Not really living up to my self-proclaimed tech skills  :facepalm:)

And hello to everyone!

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Wspeed on July 12, 2018, 07:53:52 PM

 :cheers: :like: :like:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: SteveC on July 12, 2018, 08:06:15 PM

Quote from: The_Raven on July 12, 2018, 06:52:30 AM

I want an MT that is versatile. It has to be a pocket carry, as a belt holster no longer fits into my repertoire. I want a good set of pliers. I've never owned a SAK (I know! Have mercy, no stoning please) but I struggle with the idea behind it versus a clamshell/ pliers configuration. (I understand the benefits of portability, which I'm open to arguments in favor of if it turns out one would best suit my listed desires) I also desire outside access to tools if at all possible, I'm not a fan of having to open the tool for access.

As far as tools go, I deeply desire a 1/4" bit holder. It is my single favorite feature on my center drive. I do plan on carrying a bit set as well (adds some to the bulk, but love the versatility) aside from that, I also prefer a blade, an awl, and a good set of wire cutters (my least favorite feature of the center drive, but a very loved one of the power assist). I also am starting to think a saw would be a good choice. Up until recently, I was thinking scissors as well, but am reconsidering that.

Based on your needs I would suggest a Leatherman Rebar, it's pocketable has replaceable wire cutters a file a saw and an awl plus serrated and PE blades. Add the Leatherman Removable bit driver which takes regular 1/4" bits as well as the flat ones and your good to go.

It doesn't have a pocket clip or scissors but people have added those quite easily with a mod. It also doesn't have outside opening tools but that is easy to get used to.

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: BePrepared on July 12, 2018, 08:10:07 PM

We each have our own preferences, but I would suggest you handle/fondle a LM Wave and a Juice S2.  The wave can be found second hand in good condition, so don't be put off by shop prices. The juice is perhaps at the smaller end of what might suit you?  Juice has adaptor that can take flat or full bits.

Maybe browse the threads about pocket sheaths and EDC for ideas about what and how other people are kitted out.

And Welcome!

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Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Exeter on July 12, 2018, 08:49:48 PM

Quote from: SteveC on July 12, 2018, 08:06:15 PM

Quote from: The_Raven on July 12, 2018, 06:52:30 AM

I want an MT that is versatile. It has to be a pocket carry, as a belt holster no longer fits into my repertoire. I want a good set of pliers. I've never owned a SAK (I know! Have mercy, no stoning please) but I struggle with the idea behind it versus a clamshell/ pliers configuration. (I understand the benefits of portability, which I'm open to arguments in favor of if it turns out one would best suit my listed desires) I also desire outside access to tools if at all possible, I'm not a fan of having to open the tool for access.

As far as tools go, I deeply desire a 1/4" bit holder. It is my single favorite feature on my center drive. I do plan on carrying a bit set as well (adds some to the bulk, but love the versatility) aside from that, I also prefer a blade, an awl, and a good set of wire cutters (my least favorite feature of the center drive, but a very loved one of the power assist). I also am starting to think a saw would be a good choice. Up until recently, I was thinking scissors as well, but am reconsidering that.

Based on your needs I would suggest a Leatherman Rebar, it's pocketable has replaceable wire cutters a file a saw and an awl plus serrated and PE blades. Add the Leatherman Removable bit driver which takes regular 1/4" bits as well as the flat ones and your good to go.

It doesn't have a pocket clip or scissors but people have added those quite easily with a mod. It also doesn't have outside opening tools but that is easy to get used to.

I second that! The Rebar is very pocketable if that's what you're after, you get a great real 3D Phillips with a relatively long shank, two other flat drivers, and it has great pliers with replacable cutters (although now the Wave offers that too). As you mentioned you're intending to carry a separate set of scissors, the lack of that tool is not a minus for the Rebar either - and yeah, those can be added relatively easily later if you need them. I did so too. Also the Rebar is way more affordable than the Vic Spirit.

Oh, and welcome of course!

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Poncho65 on July 12, 2018, 09:08:38 PM

Though not as rugged as a Wave you might take a look at a Micra and Skeletool type combo :salute: it might be better suited for suit pants  :D then you would still be using the flat bits but as I and other have said, the flat bits are remarkable well made for the types of fasteners they are designed for :tu: plus the weight of the Skeletool and the design of its clip make it excellent for pocket carry :like:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Mechanickal on July 12, 2018, 09:13:52 PM

No need for a question mark.
My actual name is Nick,
That's where Mechanickal comes from ;)

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Antti Lammi on July 13, 2018, 12:46:35 AM

Yea i carry wave setup with me, wave is in pocket with pocket clip and bitkit + extender is on my vest pocket or in my other pocket. Micra goes with keys or mini pocket on my jeans. Depends what clothes im wearing then bitkit and micra goes diffrent places but wave is everytime in my right pocket

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Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: SteveC on July 13, 2018, 01:06:54 AM

Quote from: Poncho65 on July 12, 2018, 09:08:38 PM

Though not as rugged as a Wave you might take a look at a Micra and Skeletool type combo :salute: it might be better suited for suit pants  :D then you would still be using the flat bits but as I and other have said, the flat bits are remarkable well made for the types of fasteners they are designed for :tu: plus the weight of the Skeletool and the design of its clip make it excellent for pocket carry :like:

Another good suggestion  :tu:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: gregozedobe on July 13, 2018, 11:56:20 AM

If you don't use the MT very frequently and robust locking pliers are a big plus it might be worth looking at the LM Crunch.  It has a built in full size bit driver, but the rest of the toolset is a bit limited.  A lot depends on your individual preferences and the type of tasks you see most often.  Of course this being MTo I have to say "Buy them all, and keep the one you like the most".  ;)

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 01:02:11 PM

Quote from: Mechanickal on July 12, 2018, 09:13:52 PM

No need for a question mark.
My actual name is Nick,
That's where Mechanickal comes from ;)

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Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: The_Raven on July 13, 2018, 01:46:13 PM

Quote from: Mechanickal on July 12, 2018, 09:13:52 PM

No need for a question mark.
My actual name is Nick,
That's where Mechanickal comes from ;)

See! I knew I spelled it wrong!  :-[ should be easy to remember now, though

Quote from: gregozedobe on July 13, 2018, 11:56:20 AM

If you don't use the MT very frequently and robust locking pliers are a big plus it might be worth looking at the LM Crunch.  It has a built in full size bit driver, but the rest of the toolset is a bit limited.  A lot depends on your individual preferences and the type of tasks you see most often.  Of course this being MTo I have to say "Buy them all, and keep the one you like the most".  ;)

Oh, the temptation is definitely there. Gotta catch-em all, right?. . .

So I've got some solid ideas now, and I can see, at least, what I should be looking at and what I shouldn't be wasting too much time on at the moment. I'm going to see if I can get some hands-on time at a local store with some of them, and I'll let you all know what decision I've made. Thanks for the help! (But if course, if you have any more suggestions/ thoughts, no need to hesitate to share)

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Nix on July 13, 2018, 03:27:53 PM

I'll second Exeter's recommendation: Rebar + bit adapter + bit set is a nice package and pocket carries well.   :multi:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Aloha on July 13, 2018, 03:29:02 PM

Scissors are the easy part.  There are several nice options to be had.  Its hard to beat a 91mm SAK for scissors.  Depending on how much scissor you need, a 58mm SAK is superb. 

Awl, with the 91mm SAKs there are many with backside awls.  If you need more awl then there are options for that as well.

Wire cutters.  I'm inclined to say the MTs with replaceable wire cutters might be what you're after.  I am not using mine a whole lot but my Wave/Charge have handled everything I've ever needed. 

As for the 1/4 bit holder.  The bit holder on LMs tools that have them is really good.  Don't let those flat bits turn you off.  They've never let me down, ever.  If you get the bit extender then you have the option to carry any 1/4 bit you desire.  You can also use a 1/4 socket adapter in the extender  :pok:.  Don't get me wrong tho, you wont be torquing down bolts, but you can get by with it. 

There are many of us who have carried a separate mini 1/4 driver to compliment out MTs.  I am a strong believer in the Pocket Wrench 2.  Its flat and carries really well, even in a wallet. 

As for suggestions, everyone knows I am a huge fan of the Wave/Charge series.  It has scissors but lacks awl.  The cutters are good but harder users may have other opinions.  It has a saw and file options.  Its very easily modded to suit your fancy and can be found relatively affordable.   We have a member who sells the wrenches to disassemble it and the parts.

Look at all the awesome mods members have done to it.  I myself have modded one with relative ease.  Mine has OHO scissors, awl, and blade exchanger from the Surge. 

Good luck on your search.           

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Exeter on July 13, 2018, 04:01:40 PM

Quote from: Nix on July 13, 2018, 03:27:53 PM

I'll second Exeter's recommendation: Rebar + bit adapter + bit set is a nice package and pocket carries well.   :multi:

Oh, and I forgot that with the Rebar there's a pretty affordable solution for a bitkit, many Chinese multitools (Ganzos, but other, even cheaper non-brand ones as well) come with proper bitkits and an adapter which fits the Phillips driver perfectly. No need for the pricey LM adapter. See here for example: https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,37642.1650.html

 And some pics of a Rebar and Micra combo with said bitkit. (Don't mind the scissors on the Rebar, it's a later addition, but that's what the Micra is for.) Superbly capable combination, slim and probably comes out at the price of a Wave without the LM bitkit.

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Nix on July 13, 2018, 04:07:03 PM

The long shank of the Phillips driver with the bit adapter give one a nice bit (pardon the pun) of reach.   :multi:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: SteveC on July 13, 2018, 04:09:17 PM

Quote from: Nix on July 13, 2018, 03:27:53 PM

I'll second Exeter's recommendation: Rebar + bit adapter + bit set is a nice package and pocket carries well.   :multi:

Hey, that was my recommendation first    :twak:



 :D

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: SteveC on July 13, 2018, 04:10:09 PM

Oh and


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Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Exeter on July 13, 2018, 04:20:45 PM

Quote from: SteveC on July 13, 2018, 04:09:17 PM

Quote from: Nix on July 13, 2018, 03:27:53 PM

I'll second Exeter's recommendation: Rebar + bit adapter + bit set is a nice package and pocket carries well.   :multi:

Hey, that was my recommendation first    :twak:



 :D

Indeed it was!

But the most important thing is that great minds think alike, don't we? Rebar for FTW!  :cheers:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Nix on July 13, 2018, 04:44:09 PM

Sorry for the missing attribution of original recommendation there, Steve.

But I wasn't agreeing with you, I was agreeing with Exeter.


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Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: SteveC on July 13, 2018, 04:46:47 PM

 :rofl:



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Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Nix on July 13, 2018, 04:51:15 PM

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Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 04:59:45 PM

Quote from: Exeter on July 13, 2018, 04:20:45 PM

Quote from: SteveC on July 13, 2018, 04:09:17 PM

Quote from: Nix on July 13, 2018, 03:27:53 PM

I'll second Exeter's recommendation: Rebar + bit adapter + bit set is a nice package and pocket carries well.   :multi:

Hey, that was my recommendation first    :twak:



 :D

Indeed it was!

But the most important thing is that great minds think alike, don't we? Rebar for FTW!  :cheers:

Wow! Look at you, posting just for posting.

 :tu: :tu:

Well done, grasshopper!

 :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 05:00:21 PM

Quote from: Nix on July 13, 2018, 04:44:09 PM

Sorry for the missing attribution of original recommendation there, Steve.

But I wasn't agreeing with you, I was agreeing with Exeter.


(https://media.giphy.com/media/C8CCK8jr1w1Y4/giphy.gif)

How can you agree with a noob?!

 :twak: :twak: :twak: :twak:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Exeter on July 13, 2018, 05:04:14 PM

Quote from: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 04:59:45 PM

Quote from: Exeter on July 13, 2018, 04:20:45 PM

Quote from: SteveC on July 13, 2018, 04:09:17 PM

Quote from: Nix on July 13, 2018, 03:27:53 PM

I'll second Exeter's recommendation: Rebar + bit adapter + bit set is a nice package and pocket carries well.   :multi:

Hey, that was my recommendation first    :twak:



 :D

Indeed it was!

But the most important thing is that great minds think alike, don't we? Rebar for FTW!  :cheers:

Wow! Look at you, posting just for posting.

 :tu: :tu:

Well done, grasshopper!

 :D :D :D :D

Awww, they grow up so fast..., right?  ;)

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Wspeed on July 13, 2018, 05:04:45 PM

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :like:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: SteveC on July 13, 2018, 05:11:41 PM

Quote from: Nix on July 13, 2018, 04:51:15 PM

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(https://media3.giphy.com/media/8ggVeQfq7X33y/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: SteveC on July 13, 2018, 05:12:37 PM

Another classic MTO thread derailment   :D

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Nix on July 13, 2018, 05:20:10 PM

Who? Us?

 :multi:

Besides, once we decided Raven needed a Rebar, there wasn't anywhere for this thread to go, other than....

(https://media.giphy.com/media/R8JaPcCfB6AI8/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 05:24:25 PM

Quote from: Nix on July 13, 2018, 05:20:10 PM

Who? Us?

 :multi:

Besides, once we decided Raven needed a Rebar, there wasn't anywhere for this thread to go, other than....

(https://media.giphy.com/media/R8JaPcCfB6AI8/giphy.gif)

(https://pics.me.me/and-now-for-something-completely-different-31214990.png)

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Wspeed on July 13, 2018, 05:30:16 PM

 :popcorn: :D

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: firiki on July 13, 2018, 05:42:00 PM

Quote from: Nix on July 13, 2018, 05:20:10 PM

Who? Us?

 :multi:

Besides, once we decided Raven needed a Rebar, there wasn't anywhere for this thread to go, other than....

(https://media.giphy.com/media/R8JaPcCfB6AI8/giphy.gif)

Meh... If it's going to be a Rebar plus extra bit holder, the OP might get a Spirit and the excellent L-wrench just as well. Coupled with an extension (or even a bit ratchet like the one from Vic) it works great  :tu:

The Spirit ain't easy to mod though.

@The Raven, first of all welcome to the forums  :drink:

Then, about that lack of SAK goodness in your life... you really, really need to address that asap   :ahhh  :D Vic scissors are simply fantastic and I think a Huntsman and Pioneer (or Rancher) combo should be a good start   :salute:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 05:46:59 PM

The Spirit or even the SwissTool are heavier then a Wave.

Maybe a LM is the way to go here?...

 :think: :think:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Exeter on July 13, 2018, 05:47:59 PM

Quote from: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 05:00:21 PM

Quote from: Nix on July 13, 2018, 04:44:09 PM

Sorry for the missing attribution of original recommendation there, Steve.

But I wasn't agreeing with you, I was agreeing with Exeter.


(https://media.giphy.com/media/C8CCK8jr1w1Y4/giphy.gif)

How can you agree with a noob?!

 :twak: :twak: :twak: :twak:

Heeeey! I just noticed this now. Noob you say? I'm not a noob, I'm a sage, just look at the title, it says so there!  :rofl:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Exeter on July 13, 2018, 05:49:19 PM

Quote from: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 05:46:59 PM

The Spirit or even the SwissTool are heavier then a Wave.

Maybe a LM is the way to go here?...

 :think: :think:

...and way more expensive as well if we're talking about the Rebar.

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 05:50:26 PM

Quote from: Exeter on July 13, 2018, 05:47:59 PM

Quote from: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 05:00:21 PM

Quote from: Nix on July 13, 2018, 04:44:09 PM

Sorry for the missing attribution of original recommendation there, Steve.

But I wasn't agreeing with you, I was agreeing with Exeter.


(https://media.giphy.com/media/C8CCK8jr1w1Y4/giphy.gif)

How can you agree with a noob?!

 :twak: :twak: :twak: :twak:

Heeeey! I just noticed this now. Noob you say? I'm not a noob, I'm a sage, just look at the title, it says so there!  :rofl:

Sorry... You're my Hero, now!

:dd:  :D :D

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Exeter on July 13, 2018, 05:52:23 PM

Quote from: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 05:50:26 PM

Quote from: Exeter on July 13, 2018, 05:47:59 PM

Quote from: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 05:00:21 PM

Quote from: Nix on July 13, 2018, 04:44:09 PM

Sorry for the missing attribution of original recommendation there, Steve.

But I wasn't agreeing with you, I was agreeing with Exeter.


(https://media.giphy.com/media/C8CCK8jr1w1Y4/giphy.gif)

How can you agree with a noob?!

 :twak: :twak: :twak: :twak:

Heeeey! I just noticed this now. Noob you say? I'm not a noob, I'm a sage, just look at the title, it says so there!  :rofl:

Sorry... You're my Hero, now!

:dd:  :D :D

There, that's more like it!

 ;)

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: SteveC on July 13, 2018, 05:54:14 PM

Quote from: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 05:50:26 PM

Quote from: Exeter on July 13, 2018, 05:47:59 PM

Quote from: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 05:00:21 PM

Quote from: Nix on July 13, 2018, 04:44:09 PM

Sorry for the missing attribution of original recommendation there, Steve.

But I wasn't agreeing with you, I was agreeing with Exeter.


(https://media.giphy.com/media/C8CCK8jr1w1Y4/giphy.gif)

How can you agree with a noob?!

 :twak: :twak: :twak: :twak:

Heeeey! I just noticed this now. Noob you say? I'm not a noob, I'm a sage, just look at the title, it says so there!  :rofl:

Sorry... You're my Hero, now!

:dd:  :D :D

That's what she did not say   :P

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: firiki on July 13, 2018, 05:54:54 PM

Quote from: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 05:46:59 PM

The Spirit or even the SwissTool are heavier then a Wave.

Maybe a LM is the way to go here?...

 :think: :think:

Edit: Just for OCD sake, the Swisstool is heavier that the Spirit.

A SAK is needed immediately methinks  :climber:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 05:55:15 PM

Oh men, we created a monster! We couldn't have him post anything, no matter how hard we tried.

Now, he doesn't shut up!

 :facepalm:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 05:56:05 PM

Quote from: firiki on July 13, 2018, 05:54:54 PM

Quote from: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 05:46:59 PM

The Spirit or even the SwissTool are heavier then a Wave.

Maybe a LM is the way to go here?...

 :think: :think:

A SAK is needed immediately methinks  :climber:

I SAKon that motion!

 :tu: :tu:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Exeter on July 13, 2018, 06:02:17 PM

Quote from: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 05:55:15 PM

Oh men, we created a monster! We couldn't have him post anything, no matter how hard we tried.

Now, he doesn't shut up!

 :facepalm:

As the sages say: be careful what you wish for!  :whistle:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 06:04:21 PM

Quote from: Exeter on July 13, 2018, 06:02:17 PM

Quote from: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 05:55:15 PM

Oh men, we created a monster! We couldn't have him post anything, no matter how hard we tried.

Now, he doesn't shut up!

 :facepalm:

As the sages say: be careful what you wish for!  :whistle:

Quit it! You're making me hungary!

 :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Exeter on July 13, 2018, 06:09:23 PM

Quote from: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 06:04:21 PM

Quote from: Exeter on July 13, 2018, 06:02:17 PM

Quote from: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 05:55:15 PM

Oh men, we created a monster! We couldn't have him post anything, no matter how hard we tried.

Now, he doesn't shut up!

 :facepalm:

As the sages say: be careful what you wish for!  :whistle:

Quit it! You're making me hungary!

 :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

Port whine... Have a glass and chill!  :drink:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: firiki on July 13, 2018, 06:11:08 PM

Quote from: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 05:56:05 PM

Quote from: firiki on July 13, 2018, 05:54:54 PM

Quote from: pfrsantos on July 13, 2018, 05:46:59 PM

The Spirit or even the SwissTool are heavier then a Wave.

Maybe a LM is the way to go here?...

 :think: :think:

A SAK is needed immediately methinks  :climber:

I SAKon that motion!

 :tu: :tu:

I hope I don't get banned for that but...

Show content

you know it... 

Show content

that's what she said

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Antti Lammi on July 13, 2018, 08:57:41 PM

It depends also your price range, if it goes cheaper line then SAK, if middle pricing then prefer LM and if theres no price range go with Swisstool

Only Tools Matters

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 14, 2018, 05:22:11 AM

Careful fellas,
OP may begin to regret using the term "Sages". :pok: :D

The original question should have been more like, "Help of the Stooges". :drink:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Mechanickal on July 14, 2018, 08:57:20 AM

Carefull now Glbm...

You're not making yourself popular by calling everyone names :pok:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: pfrsantos on July 14, 2018, 10:11:59 AM

Quote from: Mechanickal on July 14, 2018, 08:57:20 AM

Carefull now Glbm...

You're not making yourself popular by calling everyone names :pok:

No problem, we're awl goodfellas...

 8) 8)

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 14, 2018, 03:09:21 PM

Quote from: Mechanickal on July 14, 2018, 08:57:20 AM

Carefull now Glbm...

You're not making yourself popular by calling everyone names :pok:

True, my sense of humor, isn't well received sometimes. :pommel: :surrender:


For the record, my stooge comment should not be taken seriously/literally.

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Mechanickal on July 14, 2018, 03:10:14 PM

We know...
I :pok:-ed you for a reason...

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 14, 2018, 03:25:24 PM

Quote from: Mechanickal on July 14, 2018, 03:10:14 PM

We know...
I :pok:-ed you for a reason...

It is possible, in actuality, that I may be the stooge. :facepalm:

So, the general consensus is that a Rebar w/ adapter/bits or SwissTool Spirit with the ratchet/bits? Both sound like good options!
My only qualm with the generic magnetic bit adapters for the Rebar phillips shank is that it doesn't seem as secure as the LM bit holder on the Wave.
If OP could afford to buy both the Rebar and Wave, a custom tool like the "Breezy ReWave" might be a good bet. I know a lot of other members have done some great Rebar mods as well. :)

Edit: pic of ReWave.

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on July 14, 2018, 03:51:08 PM

Hey The_Raven,

Welcome to :MTO: from me too.

Maybe I'm repeating some of what has been said above, but here goes...

If you're into modding, you might be able to make a Rebar that has the tools you need. Several ideas have been published in https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,74592.0.html and the Rebar is easily moddable since it will accept all of the inside Wave/Charge tools for instance - the blades not without extensive modding, however.

If tools accessible from the outside are a must, then Swisstool (Spirit) is a relatively expensive and not easily moddable option, with the added fact that the bit driver or ratchet would be a separate tool. A tool with outside opening implements and an integrated bit driver attachment accompanied by a bit set would be the SOG Power Access Deluxe, which is not that expensive - unfortunately this shows in the file, can opener and sheath...

Good luck whichever direction you're considering :tu:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: ThundahBeagle on July 14, 2018, 10:59:34 PM

Hi Raven and welcome

I've been carrying the same Swiss Army Knife - a Super Tinker - for 30 years, got a second one - a Tinker Deluxe - about 5 or 6 years ago, and only since joining here has my collection of them grown to 11.

I had a Leatherman knock off back in 2000 or so but some years ago broke down and got an original PST II and a Micra. Since joining here, my cache of Leathermans has also grown to 11...do you see a pettern?

You are at odds with yourself when you say that pulling out a multitool could draw unwanted attention, but then mentioning that a Victorinox Spirit would be considered.

My first thought for you is a Leatherman Wave and a Micra on your keychain. I find little to no use for what I consider the flimsy blade of the Victorinox Classic. The Micra has the best scissors and is a keychain tool.

Second thought is the Victorinox Camper paired with a Leatherman PS4. Plyers, scissors, saw...you get a lot of tools you need in a very light package, spread over 2 pockets.

Or the Leatherman Rebar paired with the Micra. You almost won't get a better tool load out than that, and you still come out less expensive than a new Wave.

For pure pocket-ability, old School Leatherman is the best. A PST II is a great tool, very slim, right in the pocket.

Victorinox Swiss Army Knife model Tinker Deluxe has scissors and a plyers, along with the blades, openers and an awl. That alone may just do it for you, but the wire cutters aren't that great...

Hope I gave you something to chew on.

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: JLeePhoto on July 14, 2018, 11:23:37 PM

I always have a 3” CRK Sebenza in my right pocket and a LM micra in my left. I tried but don’t have space and can’t stand the weight of a larger tool in my pocket. So I keep a Wave in my car console and a Vic Spirit in my computer bag.
I’m the go to guy at the office when someone needs a tool.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Syncop8r on July 15, 2018, 12:47:58 AM

Since you want outside accessible tools I suggest a Wave with Removeable Bit Driver, as at least some of the tools are acessible from the outside.

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: The_Raven on July 16, 2018, 12:31:03 AM

I've gotten a lot of good responses from all of you wise stooges. . . I mean, sages.  :whistle:
I've made a move forward on my decision. I will post later once I receive the results of said decision  ::)

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Nix on July 16, 2018, 01:26:28 AM

 :popcorn:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Poncho65 on July 16, 2018, 11:47:20 AM

Quote from: Nix on July 16, 2018, 01:26:28 AM

:popcorn:

+1 :popcorn: :like:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: RF52 on July 16, 2018, 12:09:13 PM

:popcorn:

Sent fra min FRD-L09 via Tapatalk

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: pfrsantos on July 16, 2018, 12:17:12 PM

Quote from: gerleatherberman on July 14, 2018, 03:25:24 PM

Quote from: Mechanickal on July 14, 2018, 03:10:14 PM

We know...
I :pok:-ed you for a reason...

It is possible, in actuality, that I may be the stooge. :facepalm:

So, the general consensus is that a Rebar w/ adapter/bits or SwissTool Spirit with the ratchet/bits? Both sound like good options!
My only qualm with the generic magnetic bit adapters for the Rebar phillips shank is that it doesn't seem as secure as the LM bit holder on the Wave.
If OP could afford to buy both the Rebar and Wave, a custom tool like the "Breezy ReWave" might be a good bet. I know a lot of other members have done some great Rebar mods as well. :)

Edit: pic of ReWave.

General Consensus!

 :salute:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: pfrsantos on July 16, 2018, 12:19:09 PM

Quote from: JLeePhoto on July 14, 2018, 11:23:37 PM

I always have a 3” CRK Sebenza in my right pocket and a LM micra in my left. I tried but don’t have space and can’t stand the weight of a larger tool in my pocket. So I keep a Wave in my car console and a Vic Spirit in my computer bag.
I’m the go to guy at the office when someone needs a tool.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Welcome aboard, JLeePhoto!

 :cheers: :tu:

You got a pretty cool EDC, right there. Any chance of some pics?

 :pok: :pok:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Old man Chris on July 19, 2018, 02:03:36 AM

I have a solution set for you , I come from a similar background in the mechanical/service trades , where a “walk in kit” can be really handy. Enter the Vic Spirit X , Pragnant Guppy set up . It works with , and without  a belt pouch . The Spirit is bar none the highest quality mid sized multi , with the best quality implements , in high density . It’s fairly flat , a d would work well i. a pocket organizer . Shown also is a PBSwiss Stubby driver , with onboard bit magazine . and a little stash for 1/4” hex bits , of my own devising .

I’ll show you with , and without belt pouch .

Compared to the Spirit , the Centerdrive is like monkey Poo .

Chris

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Old man Chris on July 19, 2018, 02:16:33 AM

Another even smarter option , Knipex 08-145 general pourpose needle nosed pliers , and a Victorinox Cybertoo 41 , now sadly not in production , but findablec. A Cybertool 34 , or Cybertool light would also work well . One real advantage of this set up , is top quality German forged pliers , rated for copper , hard wire , and piano wire ! These little fellas will kick the smurf out of any multitool’s pliers . Forged beats investment cast , any day , all day .

Best Regards , and welcome to the madness ,

Chris

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Poncho65 on July 19, 2018, 12:02:43 PM

Looks like a great setup you have there Chris :tu: :like:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Old man Chris on July 19, 2018, 03:39:05 PM

I EDC a Charge+TTI , mainly for the pocket clip , OHO , and S30V blade, saves me having to carry a folder . For Work , it’s mainly the Spirit “ Pregnant Guppy set up , with a slip containing a Leatherman bit card , and extension .

Many times , I have considered just sticking with the SAK de Jour , and the Knipex pliers . along with the PBSwiss driver .

Building kit’s will drive you nuts , but compared to Drugs , and high end escorts , it’s a cheap hobby !

Chris

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: pfrsantos on July 21, 2018, 02:21:23 PM

Quote from: Old man Chris on July 19, 2018, 03:39:05 PM

I EDC a Charge+TTI , mainly for the pocket clip , OHO , and S30V blade, saves me having to carry a folder . For Work , it’s mainly the Spirit “ Pregnant Guppy set up , with a slip containing a Leatherman bit card , and extension .

Many times , I have considered just sticking with the SAK de Jour , and the Knipex pliers . along with the PBSwiss driver .

Building kit’s will drive you nuts , but compared to Drugs , and high end escorts , it’s a cheap hobby !

Chris

I see what you did there...

 :D :D

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: The_Raven on July 22, 2018, 12:46:57 PM

Chris - you sir are an inspiration. I love those kit ideas.   :drool:  :like:

There's a good chance I'll be building a few kits here soon. . .  :whistle:

Now I gotta see if anyone is selling a decent used Swiss tool spirit X . . .

Also, is there a way for the cybertools to take normal 1/4" hex bits, or not really?

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Old man Chris on July 22, 2018, 03:25:32 PM

Yes , Whia makes a 4.5 mm to 1/4” adaptor , not sure you can get it by itself , you might have to buy one of their mini driver kits , which is no bad thing , in and of itself . Whia makes great mini drivers , including one with a pocket clip , about the size of a fountain pen . Warning , avoid , cheap Chianesium knock offs , can fail, will fail.

Pocket holsters are quite capable of carrying fairly large objects , I have made them for small pistols and revolvers , including mags and speedloaders , much bigger and bulkier than any multi . I you live in the States , KCTool , has the Whia line . Wera might also have a similar adaptor .

Chris

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: The_Raven on July 25, 2018, 01:43:30 PM

So, as promised. . . .

This was my first major brand MT

(http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r603/elementeffect/IMG_20180723_1917482_zpsa2baw6kx.jpg) (http://s1174.photobucket.com/user/elementeffect/media/IMG_20180723_1917482_zpsa2baw6kx.jpg.html)
(SOG B66N-CP)

Then I started using it at work a lot and convinced my job that they should reimburse me for it. Then I got this -
(http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r603/elementeffect/IMG_20180723_1916002_zpsor5fzage.jpg) (http://s1174.photobucket.com/user/elementeffect/media/IMG_20180723_1916002_zpsor5fzage.jpg.html)
(SOG S66N-CP. . .I really loved this MT. Thought it was the end-awl be-awl)

However, if you noticed from my first post, I have a thing about having a 1/4" hex bit driver on me. So when I saw this, I had to get it -
(http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r603/elementeffect/IMG_20180723_1912442_zpskqnhsegj.jpg) (http://s1174.photobucket.com/user/elementeffect/media/IMG_20180723_1912442_zpskqnhsegj.jpg.html)
(Gerber Center Drive)

So those have been my MT's to this point. Awl great, but none quite what I need right now.

But on that note, be expecting another post later today. . .  :whistle:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Nix on July 25, 2018, 05:13:50 PM

 :popcorn:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Douglas on July 25, 2018, 06:15:58 PM

 :popcorn: :popcorn:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Syncop8r on July 25, 2018, 10:23:18 PM

 :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Jaypeebee on July 25, 2018, 11:05:22 PM

 :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: firiki on July 26, 2018, 12:24:05 AM

Quote from: Old man Chris on July 19, 2018, 02:16:33 AM

... Knipex 08-145 ...

I have one of those. Great little tool, really handy  :tu:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: firiki on July 26, 2018, 12:25:58 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/476868144640700416/h-5lTHX4_400x400.png)

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: firiki on July 26, 2018, 12:27:08 AM

(https://www.seedsavers.org/site/img/seo-images/1252-green-culinary-sage-herb.jpg)

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: firiki on July 26, 2018, 12:27:49 AM

New page babana man sage

:nanadance:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: The_Raven on July 26, 2018, 01:23:40 AM

 :mail:

(http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r603/elementeffect/IMG_20180723_1837522_zpsii3dx9fa.jpg) (http://s1174.photobucket.com/user/elementeffect/media/IMG_20180723_1837522_zpsii3dx9fa.jpg.html)

What have we here?!

The guys are awl excited
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LM Rebar! (Let's face it, you're not surprised. . . ) :multi:

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Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: The_Raven on July 26, 2018, 01:29:57 AM

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AWWW YEAH!!  :climber:

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Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Douglas on July 26, 2018, 01:34:24 AM

 :like: :like:
Good picks and picks (pictures) there.  :cheers: :cheers:
Now I just wonder what will be next in your  :mail:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 26, 2018, 03:25:03 AM

Nice stuff, The_Raven! Got to love the MiniChamp. Goes well with any plier-based MT!  :like:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: The_Raven on July 26, 2018, 07:25:46 AM

Thanks guys, I'm pretty pleased with them  :tu:

Marks my first SAK and Leatherman  :climber:  :multi:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 26, 2018, 07:33:25 AM

Nice picks for both LM and Vic! Oddly enough, the MiniChamp and Rebar are extremely complementary to each other.  :tu:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on July 26, 2018, 07:51:02 AM

Quote from: gerleatherberman on July 26, 2018, 07:33:25 AM

Nice picks for both LM and Vic! Oddly enough, the MiniChamp and Rebar are extremely complementary to each other.  :tu:

+1 - glad you found a well matching pair of tools :tu:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Exeter on July 26, 2018, 08:01:04 AM

Great choices, great combo!  :tu: I'm pretty sure you won't regret going with the Rebar and hopefully the Minichamp will serve you well too (but aren't the scissors a bit small?)!

First impressions?

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Don Pablo on July 26, 2018, 10:39:56 AM

Nice Minichamp and Rebar!  :like:

Quote from: firiki on July 26, 2018, 12:25:58 AM

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Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Don Pablo on July 26, 2018, 10:42:40 AM

Quote from: Exeter on July 26, 2018, 08:01:04 AM

Great choices, great combo!  :tu: I'm pretty sure you won't regret going with the Rebar and hopefully the Minichamp will serve you well too (but aren't the scissors a bit small?)!

First impressions?

58mm Vic scissors can do almost anything the 91mm ones can, IMHO.  :tu:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Exeter on July 26, 2018, 10:50:24 AM

Quote from: Don Pablo on July 26, 2018, 10:42:40 AM

Quote from: Exeter on July 26, 2018, 08:01:04 AM

Great choices, great combo!  :tu: I'm pretty sure you won't regret going with the Rebar and hopefully the Minichamp will serve you well too (but aren't the scissors a bit small?)!

First impressions?

58mm Vic scissors can do almost anything the 91mm ones can, IMHO.  :tu:

The one on my Classic always felt a bit flimsy, but I love the 91 mm ones. (For me a SAK is not a SAK if it doesn't have scissors, or at least it rarely gets pocket time.)

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 26, 2018, 03:19:12 PM

If we consider ALL scissor tasks, then no, the 58mm cclass scissors can't compete with the 91mm class scissors.
But, for mundane everyday snip-snip of small stuff, the 58mm class scissors are pretty boss. :climber:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Old man Chris on July 26, 2018, 04:00:49 PM

On the subject of drivers , just a few reccomendations , as on tool drivers , are pretty much casual use only.

a) Klein makes a folding 10 in one driver , that takes the same bits as the well known 11 in one tool

b)Stubby 1/4 hex magnetic drivers , work well with the Leatherman Bit extender , making a powerfull portable driving system . Whia , and Wera male some god drivers , made in Germany , and the Chech. Republic , not offshore Chinesium junk . Whia also makes a superb little 1/4” hex ratchet , it interoperates well with the Leatherman bit extender , and will handle , both Leatherman , and standard 1/4” bits ( shown below ) .The Venerable Klein Electrician’s scissors work pretty well for straded low voltage wire , for both stripping and cutting .

Best Regards,

Chris

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Syncop8r on July 26, 2018, 09:51:49 PM

Quote from: The_Raven on July 12, 2018, 06:52:30 AM

I also desire outside access to tools if at all possible, I'm not a fan of having to open the tool for access.

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Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Exeter on July 26, 2018, 10:04:48 PM

Quote from: Syncop8r on July 26, 2018, 09:51:49 PM

Quote from: The_Raven on July 12, 2018, 06:52:30 AM

I also desire outside access to tools if at all possible, I'm not a fan of having to open the tool for access.

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:pok:

But he also stated that "I want an MT that is versatile. It has to be a pocket carry, as a belt holster no longer fits into my repertoire. I want a good set of pliers."  - sounds like the Rebar to me.  :)

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Old man Chris on July 27, 2018, 01:15:39 AM

Well the best outside access prize , among plier based Multi’s would go to the Spirit ! plus best implement quality , and implement density .

Best Regards ,

Chris

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Douglas on July 27, 2018, 01:38:00 AM

Quote from: gerleatherberman on July 26, 2018, 03:19:12 PM

If we consider ALL scissor tasks, then no, the 58mm cclass scissors can't compete with the 91mm class scissors.
But, for mundane everyday snip-snip of small stuff, the 58mm class scissors are pretty boss. :climber:

With the exception of cutting zip ties, I would rather have Vic's 58mm scissors than the Spirit scissors.  The Spirit scissors are great for cutting Zip ties and do work on everthing else I just like the traditional Vic design better, even the diminutive 58mms

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 27, 2018, 02:09:09 AM

Quote from: Douglas on July 27, 2018, 01:38:00 AM

Quote from: gerleatherberman on July 26, 2018, 03:19:12 PM

If we consider ALL scissor tasks, then no, the 58mm cclass scissors can't compete with the 91mm class scissors.
But, for mundane everyday snip-snip of small stuff, the 58mm class scissors are pretty boss. :climber:

With the exception of cutting zip ties, I would rather have Vic's 58mm scissors than the Spirit scissors.  The Spirit scissors are great for cutting Zip ties and do work on everthing else I just like the traditional Vic design better, even the diminutive 58mms

Don't get me started on the Spirit scissors. Mediocre scissors on a LM, SOG, Gerber, etc. are acceptable(with exception of the Surge scissors - those are top-notch for the form factor). But, with Vic having led the way in little scissors for decades and decades, there is no excuse for the Spirit X scissors being so lame. :facepalm:
Now, please don't get me wrong, I'd rather have the Spirit scissors than no scissors at all.  :)
All Vic needs to do is design next year's Spirit with scissors more like the 91mm class(and maybe do something about the cutters and use barrel screws instead of rivets). /rant

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Old man Chris on July 27, 2018, 02:15:53 AM

 :like: :like: :like:

Quote from: Douglas on July 27, 2018, 01:38:00 AM

Quote from: gerleatherberman on July 26, 2018, 03:19:12 PM

If we consider ALL scissor tasks, then no, the 58mm cclass scissors can't compete with the 91mm class scissors.
But, for mundane everyday snip-snip of small stuff, the 58mm class scissors are pretty boss. :climber:

With the exception of cutting zip ties, I would rather have Vic's 58mm scissors than the Spirit scissors.  The Spirit scissors are great for cutting Zip ties and do work on everthing else I just like the traditional Vic design better, even the diminutive 58mms
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Some Crazy fella over on Blade Forums , bought a bunch of TSA seizeure SAK’s , ant torture tested Classic Scissors , apparently the will cut up to 12 AWG solid copper wire , without obvious damage . Ive never tried to duplicate the feat , as I rather like my 58mm’s .

Best Regards ,

Chris

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Douglas on July 27, 2018, 02:17:06 AM

Quote from: gerleatherberman on July 27, 2018, 02:09:09 AM

Quote from: Douglas on July 27, 2018, 01:38:00 AM

Quote from: gerleatherberman on July 26, 2018, 03:19:12 PM

If we consider ALL scissor tasks, then no, the 58mm cclass scissors can't compete with the 91mm class scissors.
But, for mundane everyday snip-snip of small stuff, the 58mm class scissors are pretty boss. :climber:

With the exception of cutting zip ties, I would rather have Vic's 58mm scissors than the Spirit scissors.  The Spirit scissors are great for cutting Zip ties and do work on everthing else I just like the traditional Vic design better, even the diminutive 58mms

Don't get me started on the Spirit scissors. Mediocre scissors on a LM, SOG, Gerber, etc. are acceptable(with exception of the Surge scissors - those are top-notch for the form factor). But, with Vic having led the way in little scissors for decades and decades, there is no excuse for the Spirit X scissors being so lame. :facepalm:
Now, please don't get me wrong, I'd rather have the Spirit scissors than no scissors at all.  :)
All Vic needs to do is design next year's Spirit with scissors more like the 91mm class(and maybe do something about the cutters and use barrel screws instead of rivets). /rant

EXACTLY MY PIONT!!  :rant: :rant:
But you realy should try them on zip ties.  That is where they really shine.

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 27, 2018, 02:22:12 AM

I know what you mean, Douglas. They work well on stuff that can fit in the tiny opening. They work quite well for fingernails too(not as good as 91mm scissors though). :)

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Douglas on July 27, 2018, 02:25:04 AM

I can't stand using them on my fingernails.  Now the ol'school Vic scissors of any size are the way to go on the nails.

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: The_Raven on July 27, 2018, 03:12:54 AM

Exeter - right now I am loving both of them. It is taking me a little to get used to the way the leatherman opens (all of my previous MT's had a much more fluid open) but the size is pretty near perfect, and everything feels quality. I did get it used, but all of the blades still have a really sharp edge (it actually looks great for being used) I haven't had a chance to take it through the paces yet, but when my schedule slows down, I plan on really testing it out.

The SAK is great! I love the snap of the tools, and it too is extremely sharp. I don't feel that the scissors are flimsy at all. Diminutive, yes, but they feel stiff (in a good way) and effective. And I have definitely tested them on the ole nails already. I'm really glad I got the minichamp II with the pen. That is such a useful feature!

Chris - I have actually been looking at weras for quite some time now.I'll probably get one for my secondary EDC. These two new tools are my current primary (on body) but I'm actively setting up a small tool kit that I'll carry in my bag as a secondary EDC. Also, the spirit does sound great, but also more than twice as much (especially since I couldn't find any used ones at a comparable deal to what I got with ) I do still want to get one eventually, though. But the rebar hit enough of my checklist at a far lower price point, so it got first attention.

So far guys, I'm loving it all!  :tu: Now I'm working on a pocket organizer for carrying them.

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: The_Raven on July 30, 2018, 01:00:01 AM

One thing I need to do now is find a good price on that bit set that has the adapter that fits the Phillips screwdriver

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Old man Chris on July 30, 2018, 04:49:01 PM

Quote from: The_Raven on July 30, 2018, 01:00:01 AM

One thing I need to do now is find a good price on that bit set that has the adapter that fits the Phillips screwdriver

They aren’t hard to find , IIRC , they aren’t very expensive , no clue who could give you the best price , where are you located.

I used to have several , sady , I gave them away to mostly undeserving people . If I had one it would be yours .

Chris

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Exeter on July 30, 2018, 11:46:10 PM

Quote from: The_Raven on July 30, 2018, 01:00:01 AM

One thing I need to do now is find a good price on that bit set that has the adapter that fits the Phillips screwdriver

I guess you should just buy a $10 Chinese multitool off Amazon that comes with that type of bit set and adapter. Use the bits, throw the tool in a drawer, garage, car trunk, whatever, or give it to someone. I wanted to say buy a Ganzo MT, but after looking around in the past few minutes I see that they've gone up in price lately.

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: The_Raven on July 31, 2018, 09:38:05 AM

Yeah, so far I'm seeing mainly $20 or so for such a multi tool. At that price I almost might as well buy the Leatherman bit adapter. And I'm located in the Midwest, USA.

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Exeter on July 31, 2018, 09:46:01 AM

Quote from: The_Raven on July 31, 2018, 09:38:05 AM

Yeah, so far I'm seeing mainly $20 or so for such a multi tool. At that price I almost might as well buy the Leatherman bit adapter. And I'm located in the Midwest, USA.

You know what? I'm away from home right now, but I think I have three of those adapters - and I think thats the key part, standard bits are easy to find and you can arrange your own set -, so if you can wait till next week, I can send you one.

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Exeter on July 31, 2018, 09:58:08 AM

Quote from: The_Raven on July 31, 2018, 09:38:05 AM

Yeah, so far I'm seeing mainly $20 or so for such a multi tool. At that price I almost might as well buy the Leatherman bit adapter. And I'm located in the Midwest, USA.

Also, I'm not sure if you trust the site, no Paypal option for example - although I bought stuff there dozens of times without problem - but here is what you're after:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/12-Pieces-Screwdriver-Bit-With-Adapter-Multitool-Kits-Fitting-for-Multifunctional-Plier-Ganzo-Plier-Use-Screwdriver/32828012570.html

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: The_Raven on August 01, 2018, 02:33:32 AM

Quote from: Exeter on July 31, 2018, 09:58:08 AM

Also, I'm not sure if you trust the site, no Paypal option for example - although I bought stuff there dozens of times without problem - but here is what you're after:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/12-Pieces-Screwdriver-Bit-With-Adapter-Multitool-Kits-Fitting-for-Multifunctional-Plier-Ganzo-Plier-Use-Screwdriver/32828012570.html

Awesome, thanks! That's exactly what I'm looking for  :like: :gimme:

Title: Re: Help of the Sages
Post by: Exeter on August 01, 2018, 09:47:30 AM

Quote from: The_Raven on August 01, 2018, 02:33:32 AM

Quote from: Exeter on July 31, 2018, 09:58:08 AM

Also, I'm not sure if you trust the site, no Paypal option for example - although I bought stuff there dozens of times without problem - but here is what you're after:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/12-Pieces-Screwdriver-Bit-With-Adapter-Multitool-Kits-Fitting-for-Multifunctional-Plier-Ganzo-Plier-Use-Screwdriver/32828012570.html

Awesome, thanks! That's exactly what I'm looking for  :like: :gimme:

You're welcome!  :tu:

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