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Title: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: RimfireNZ on March 15, 2014, 12:38:19 AM
Well there's a Jeep thread, but what about us guys that's driver proper 4 wheel drives?  :D (just kidding, I'd love a Wrangler).

Personally I drive a  3.0 turbo diesel '96 Toyoda Hilux. It permanently runs mud tyres as even though I drive it into the city every day I live on a dairy farm, I shoot and drive on a number of dairy farms, I take it deer shooting and I do take it offroading for a bit of fun fairly often (as you might be able to see by the dents and scratches). It's also my tow wagon for my dads boat (when I can steal it) and my dedicated offroader, an 80's Suzuki Samura 413.

(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/RimfireNZ/flex_zpsc2a441c4.jpg)

(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/RimfireNZ/Screen-Shot-2013-05-05-at-113539-AM_zps1f5d5759.png)


Unfortunately my Suzuki has seen much better days. The last outing I did with my brother, we snapped the rear leaf spring and the driveshaft fell out. So it's at the back of my list of projects to try to get fixed up. Either that or I'll throw in the tower and buy another smurfter and stick the winch and tyres on that.
(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/RimfireNZ/ScreenShot2013-09-09at105909PM_zps86a106a2.png)

If anyone is interested I have a few offroading vids on my youtube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deYfDLzR0Zc&list=PL8INgtANmJhYqwrC9LvH3kdn8DX8d51sK
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on March 15, 2014, 02:28:24 AM
While I don't get out as frequently as you do, I love getting my rig a little dirty. I've just been posting in the Jeepers section even though I technically don't belong :D. I drive a 2003 Dodge Durango with the 4.7 V8, not a hardcore rig at all but the V8 in the midsized chassis sure is a good time. I know shes nothing special, but I absolutely love this truck. Goes by Christine, like the possessed Fury in the movie and for the same reason. Sweet looking Toyota, any difference from the American 4Runner other than powertrain?

I know, I know terrible picture with not much going on anddddd with the bike rack still on. But this is the only pic I have on the computer, heading home after a day of mountain biking and decided to fool around a bit first.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: RimfireNZ on March 15, 2014, 02:55:10 AM
While I don't get out as frequently as you do, I love getting my rig a little dirty. I've just been posting in the Jeepers section even though I technically don't belong :D. I drive a 2003 Dodge Durango with the 4.7 V8, not a hardcore rig at all but the V8 in the midsized chassis sure is a good time. I know shes nothing special, but I absolutely love this truck. Goes by Christine, like the possessed Fury in the movie and for the same reason. Sweet looking Toyota, any difference from the American 4Runner other than powertrain?

I know, I know terrible picture with not much going on anddddd with the bike rack still on. But this is the only pic I have on the computer, heading home after a day of mountain biking and decided to fool around a bit first.

Awesome Dodge. We don't see many of those over here. I bet it'd go like the clappers with that engine. I'd love a V8 but gas is over $8 USD a gallon here, and I drive about 500 miles a week… so it wouldn't be a good idea :P

The Hilux Surf is also called the 4runner in different markets. Same truck. They've got the same engine, either a 3.0 turbo diesel or a 3.4 litre petrol V6.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on March 15, 2014, 03:04:36 AM
I'm a huge fan of both the runner and the tacoma, would they both be hiluxes for you guys? I'm going to guess that surf designates the SUV instead of pick-up, right? I don't know if we got the diesel option here, but I very well could be wrong. I think that when its time for her to retire that I may get a Tacoma next. I'm surprised you see any of them at all actually, it seems that dodge doesn't make many waves in markets outside the US.

The engine is fantastically matched to the truck in every aspect, other than the ~10 MPG :facepalm:. It gets up and goes very well with no hesitation, pretty good low end grunt too. Works very well for pulling our boat too!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: thebullfrog on March 15, 2014, 03:30:50 AM
It's going under the knife in two weeks for a suspension overhaul.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: PTRSAK on March 15, 2014, 05:07:52 AM
I have a 2003 Hilux ute with the 3.4L petrol V6. It's great to drive as far as power goes but the ride is pretty harsh. Also a bit thirsty at 16 litres per 100km. My 4.0L Falcon does 12.
Thinking about doing the Simpson desert crossing trip in August in it. Not home at the moment but will post a photo later.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Roc on March 15, 2014, 06:54:44 AM
02 4runner Limited here. It goes through or over just about anything I've come across. In a couple years I want to turn it into a dedicated trail rig. I need something that gets better than 15 miles to the gallon for work.  :(
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Roc on March 15, 2014, 06:58:14 AM
I uses to have a jeep grand Cherokee. Great SUV. The trans went out on it though and kind of turned me off of jeeps for a bit anyway. I just wanted to say thanks for starting this thread. It's good to know that there is love here for other makes.  :tu:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: RimfireNZ on March 15, 2014, 07:13:30 AM
I'm a huge fan of both the runner and the tacoma, would they both be hiluxes for you guys? I'm going to guess that surf designates the SUV instead of pick-up, right? I don't know if we got the diesel option here, but I very well could be wrong. I think that when its time for her to retire that I may get a Tacoma next. I'm surprised you see any of them at all actually, it seems that dodge doesn't make many waves in markets outside the US.

The engine is fantastically matched to the truck in every aspect, other than the ~10 MPG :facepalm:. It gets up and goes very well with no hesitation, pretty good low end grunt too. Works very well for pulling our boat too!

I've never seen a tacoma over here, but you're right in saying the SUV is the hilux surf, the pickup is just the hilux. There are some differences like the hillux pickup held onto the solid front axle longer than the surf (I've got independent front suspension :( ). I'm surprised you don't get the diesel option. Maybe gas is just so much cheaper for you guys that they don't bother. I love the torque of the diesel. Never have to change down, it just goes. It's not exactly a rocket ship though.

I think most American cars over here are imported as one offs buy guys that like them. The most common American brand over here is Ford but most of those come from Aussie (the Falcon), and other than that, Jeep.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: RimfireNZ on March 15, 2014, 07:15:39 AM
02 4runner Limited here. It goes through or over just about anything I've come across. In a couple years I want to turn it into a dedicated trail rig. I need something that gets better than 15 miles to the gallon for work.  :(

Those 3.4 engines get a bad rep for being really thirsty. I know of a couple of guys here that'd ripped them out and put the 3.0 camry engine in instead, or the 4.0 lexus V8. Generally larger engines like that over here when in an SUV are diesel due to gas costing us more than twice what you pay.

Since my Suzuki is so buggered I'm actually thinking of picking up a 3.4 Hilux as they are relatively cheap over here for the older ones (as no one wants to pay to run them :P ). Fuel economy isn't an issue in a dedicated offroader.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: thebullfrog on March 15, 2014, 07:17:28 AM
My Ram gets 8 miles per gallon. I would kill to get 15 lol.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: RimfireNZ on March 15, 2014, 07:18:45 AM
My Ram gets 8 miles per gallon. I would kill to get 15 lol.

I would LOVE a RAM 1500. But yeah…my whole pay check would go to running it!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: thebullfrog on March 15, 2014, 07:22:10 AM
I only manage because i commute less than 5 miles per day.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Roc on March 15, 2014, 07:23:30 AM
My Ram gets 8 miles per gallon. I would kill to get 15 lol.
Ouch.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Roc on March 15, 2014, 07:28:33 AM
I'm a huge fan of both the runner and the tacoma, would they both be hiluxes for you guys? I'm going to guess that surf designates the SUV instead of pick-up, right? I don't know if we got the diesel option here, but I very well could be wrong. I think that when its time for her to retire that I may get a Tacoma next. I'm surprised you see any of them at all actually, it seems that dodge doesn't make many waves in markets outside the US.

The engine is fantastically matched to the truck in every aspect, other than the ~10 MPG :facepalm:. It gets up and goes very well with no hesitation, pretty good low end grunt too. Works very well for pulling our boat too!

I've never seen a tacoma over here, but you're right in saying the SUV is the hilux surf, the pickup is just the hilux. There are some differences like the hillux pickup held onto the solid front axle longer than the surf (I've got independent front suspension :( ). I'm surprised you don't get the diesel option. Maybe gas is just so much cheaper for you guys that they don't bother. I love the torque of the diesel. Never have to change down, it just goes. It's not exactly a rocket ship though.

I think most American cars over here are imported as one offs buy guys that like them. The most common American brand over here is Ford but most of those come from Aussie (the Falcon), and other than that, Jeep.
I think the diesel option is slowly making its way over here. The first diesel jeeps are coming out this year from what I've heard. They are supposed to have all the power plus better gas mileage. I can only hope other makers adopt this. I've kinda become a Toyota guy. Knock on wood, but I've had only routine maintenance with my 4runner and my wife's sienna.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Bensasupertool on March 15, 2014, 08:35:16 AM
Id kill for an old diesel Hilux pickup here in the states.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 15, 2014, 11:06:17 AM
It's probably just easier to import one.  :P

I don't know what the laws are like where you are but here you can import anything older than ten or fifteen years. Newer cars have to be held to a stricter safety standards but older models don't.

Def

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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Bensasupertool on March 15, 2014, 11:19:01 AM
It's probably just easier to import one.  :P

I don't know what the laws are like where you are but here you can import anything older than ten or fifteen years. Newer cars have to be held to a stricter safety standards but older models don't.

Def

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I did a little searching and there are a few around. So rest assured everyone is safe.  :D
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Cupboard on March 15, 2014, 07:58:54 PM
I have a 2003 Hilux ute with the 3.4L petrol V6. It's great to drive as far as power goes but the ride is pretty harsh.

That'll be the leaf springs at the back.

I'm a huge fan of both the runner and the tacoma, would they both be hiluxes for you guys? I'm going to guess that surf designates the SUV instead of pick-up, right? I don't know if we got the diesel option here, but I very well could be wrong. I think that when its time for her to retire that I may get a Tacoma next. I'm surprised you see any of them at all actually, it seems that dodge doesn't make many waves in markets outside the US.

The engine is fantastically matched to the truck in every aspect, other than the ~10 MPG :facepalm:. It gets up and goes very well with no hesitation, pretty good low end grunt too. Works very well for pulling our boat too!

I've never seen a tacoma over here, but you're right in saying the SUV is the hilux surf, the pickup is just the hilux. There are some differences like the hillux pickup held onto the solid front axle longer than the surf (I've got independent front suspension :( ). I'm surprised you don't get the diesel option. Maybe gas is just so much cheaper for you guys that they don't bother. I love the torque of the diesel. Never have to change down, it just goes. It's not exactly a rocket ship though.

I love diesels too, they're so much nicer to drive than a petrol.

What's wrong with IFS out of interest? It's not like it's bad off road, just look at the Pinzgauer!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: thebullfrog on March 15, 2014, 08:01:13 PM
It's because IFS is inherently weaker. Thing is, it's still stronger than what 90% of people will ever need anyway, and that remaining 10% just go out and buy 30 year old CJ's anyway. People just need something to cry about.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 15, 2014, 08:10:53 PM
Wah.

I prefer a solid front axle because the places I work on a regular basis would kill IFS in no time.  I've seen it happen and I have had to replace too many front ends out of my own poscket to put my faith in anything less.

Def

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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: derekmac on March 15, 2014, 08:58:06 PM
You also get far less flex with IFS.


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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on March 15, 2014, 10:06:25 PM
What?!?!?!?! IFS weak? That's non-sense I've only had mine fully rebuilt 3 (soon to be 4) times in the ten years since my truck was built ::) :rofl:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: thebullfrog on March 16, 2014, 12:56:05 AM
"90% of people" largely consists of people who never venture any place more harsh that the shopping mall. Outside of those, then you have people who "off-road" by driving through a field once or twice during their ownership. The people who use their truck as an actual truck, and who actually off-road, is in the vast minority of buyers. It makes more sense to go IRS for the better ride and handling on the road where these vehicles will spend their entire lives.

For us remaining 10%? There's buying used. Sucks, but realities of a market where everybody wants a truck, when almost none of them actually needs a truck, so they demand their truck drives like a car, or they'll buy someone else's truck.

All things considered, I think manufacturers have done about as well as they can in making IFS setups as capable as they can, while keeping up with market realities.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: derekmac on March 16, 2014, 01:50:33 AM
^^^ Well said!  Companies are much better off making a comfortable truck then a capable one.  The Wrangler is honestly about the only 4x4 sold that has a solid following of people that will take it into the woods.  For a daily driver, I'd much prefer IFS/IRS, but I like to go in the woods 3-4 times a month (usually 2-3), so I want the added capability of SFA/SRA. 

One of the guys I wheel with has an Xterra, which is close in size to my Grand Cherokee, and he runs disconnected up front, but has a hard time going through spots that I can walk through connected.

The thing is, when it comes to driving home at the end of the run, he has a slightly nicer ride. 


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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Cupboard on March 16, 2014, 03:05:48 PM
I'll start by saying I'm not trying to pick a fight here.

Is independent suspension weaker by design or weaker because it's typically used in vehicles that aren't expected to require it built tough so it's built cheap, light and comfortable? I just can't see why they'd use fully independent on what is probably the best off road vehicle on the planet if it was inherently bad. I can also see lots of potential off road benefits of an independent suspension system done well.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 16, 2014, 03:39:24 PM
Think about it this way:

When you have a solid front axle you have a solid bar under the frame and fragile engine bits.  When you hit uneven terrain the solid axle lifts all of the expensive bits out of the way.

IFS means that the wheels can move independently of the frame and engine bits, which means the wheel lifts but the frame and expensive bits stay lower with nothing to protect them from rocks or other nastiness.

That makes an axle safer.

Now compare the solid axle, which is constructed of fewer, heavier parts to IFS which is made from a larger number of lighter parts with more moving parts and hinge points.  Which would you rather put your faith in?

IFS is good enough for daily use and some occasional off roading, but for serious use you really do need a solid axle.  Look at all the heavy duty pick up trucks on the market or industrial trucks- all have solid axles because IFS just isn't strong enough.

As for why I need a solid axle, I drive off road for work all the time.  Trailer yards, train yards and places where heavy equipment is common really put a strain on a vehicle.  Most of the vehicles used by everyone else there are large pickups like Dodge Rams, F150's and GMC/Chev HD's.  I drive the small, economical vehicle in relation to everyone else!  :P

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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on March 16, 2014, 03:50:29 PM
I think Cupboard is still slightly correct. IFS could be built up a lot more durable and useful than it often comes from the factory, but just about any time it is put into a 4x4 it is to make that vehicle ride better and nothing else. So its a combination of inherently weaker design, matched to no desire to improve upon its capabilities unfortunately.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Cupboard on March 16, 2014, 11:01:44 PM
When you hit uneven terrain the solid axle lifts all of the expensive bits out of the way.

 :tu:

I'd still buy a Pinzgauer ;)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 16, 2014, 11:13:09 PM
Me too, but I'll bet the ride quality isn't that badly improved over either of my solid axle Jeeps!  :P

Def

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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: derekmac on March 16, 2014, 11:58:04 PM
Pinzgauer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv_gSRiXCH0#)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: thebullfrog on March 17, 2014, 03:58:21 AM
New life plan: Buy one of those and live in it.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Cupboard on March 17, 2014, 08:47:58 PM
That sounds like an awesome idea  :tu:

I'm sorry, I've completely hijacked this thread, please go and talk about trucks and things  :pok:

Oh, incidentally, leaves or coils for your suspension? Leaves are tougher, coils typically give you better articulation.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 17, 2014, 08:59:48 PM
I thought this was gonna be a photo thread. >:(

#1

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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 17, 2014, 10:14:26 PM
I love that old Rover Nate!

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: PTRSAK on March 17, 2014, 10:46:33 PM
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20140318_074405_zps8zkvclwx.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Peter_Thorpe/media/20140318_074405_zps8zkvclwx.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 18, 2014, 12:58:28 AM
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20140318_074405_zps8zkvclwx.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Peter_Thorpe/media/20140318_074405_zps8zkvclwx.jpg.html)

There you go!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 18, 2014, 01:02:40 AM
I love that old Rover Nate!

Def

It is an awesome truck.  Sadly, it isn't very practical as a daily driver.  It has 4 wheel drum brakes and a whopping 67 HP.  The way people drive now, the cut in front, not leaving enough stopping space for 1960's brake systems.  I wish video camera recordings could be used in court.  >:( :(
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: stealth007s on March 18, 2014, 04:25:38 AM
I haven't got it off road, yet, but we got a Subaru Outback last week. Nice rides so far on here :tu: The boys at Top Gear put that Hilux through the ringer a few years back IIRC. Tough piece of machinery!¡!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dmanuel on March 18, 2014, 04:43:23 AM
In Philippines I drive a 1996 Samurai LWB, sitting on 35's

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e118/dmanuel/Suzuki/279296_10150242611714412_699209411_7416363_7527199_o.jpg~original)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1.0-9/1203_394448563977659_2051604208_n.jpg)

And in US the wife drives a built Taco. No pictures of it though :(

Edit:

IFS will never be as stout as a solid axle, but they can be built. This little Zuk Sidekick is a prime example. This thing has been wheeled all over North America, Level 3+ trails. Anybody who has ever watched Baja or Dakar knows that IFS built correctly (far from cheap!) can definitely do an admirable job.

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e118/dmanuel/Suzuki/Ideas/zuk_zps14e43c62.jpg~original)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 18, 2014, 11:38:43 AM
I suppose that's the point, isn't it?  IFS can be built strong enough, but the cost in both dollars and weight aren't worth it for most manufacturers to do it on production vehicles, most of which will rarely see more than a dirt road.

A note about most of the Dakar racers- significant amounts of weight have been cut out of those to increase speed and efficiency.  Also, they aren't built with longevity in mind.  Yes, they are expensive and take a pounding during the race, but they aren't subjected to the same long term stresses that a production vehicle is subjected to, and they have significantly more maintenance time than most production vehicles too.  A full service mechanic available 24/7 isn't in most people's budgets.

Nate- any thoughts on upgrading that old Rover underneath?  New (modern) brakes, maybe a small block Chev under the hood?  That could give that classy old girl some serious punch.

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: derekmac on March 18, 2014, 11:42:42 AM
Love that Zuk!!!  :tu:  Some other sweet looking rigs in here guys!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 18, 2014, 12:33:37 PM
I suppose that's the point, isn't it?  IFS can be built strong enough, but the cost in both dollars and weight aren't worth it for most manufacturers to do it on production vehicles, most of which will rarely see more than a dirt road.

A note about most of the Dakar racers- significant amounts of weight have been cut out of those to increase speed and efficiency.  Also, they aren't built with longevity in mind.  Yes, they are expensive and take a pounding during the race, but they aren't subjected to the same long term stresses that a production vehicle is subjected to, and they have significantly more maintenance time than most production vehicles too.  A full service mechanic available 24/7 isn't in most people's budgets.

Nate- any thoughts on upgrading that old Rover underneath?  New (modern) brakes, maybe a small block Chev under the hood?  That could give that classy old girl some serious punch.

Def

People do a lot of those things, but really, if you want a "Modern" Series Rover, the thing to do, IN THEORY ;) :D

Is go to the UK, buy a used Defender, disassemble it, ship over the pieces in time separated crates, get the pieces back to the US and then reassemble you Series Rover with updated Defender pieces. The frames are almost identical so not much fitment problems.

In the 90's, a popular conversion was the Chevy "Iron Duke" 4 cyl.  There was a guy in Virginia who made adaptors for it.  Sadly, they weren't highly reliable. (Lots of broken axles)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 18, 2014, 12:34:28 PM
In Philippines I drive a 1996 Samurai LWB, sitting on 35's

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e118/dmanuel/Suzuki/279296_10150242611714412_699209411_7416363_7527199_o.jpg~original)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1.0-9/1203_394448563977659_2051604208_n.jpg)

And in US the wife drives a built Taco. No pictures of it though :(



That's a great rig!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dmanuel on March 18, 2014, 02:12:54 PM
I suppose that's the point, isn't it?  IFS can be built strong enough, but the cost in both dollars and weight aren't worth it for most manufacturers to do it on production vehicles, most of which will rarely see more than a dirt road.

A note about most of the Dakar racers- significant amounts of weight have been cut out of those to increase speed and efficiency.  Also, they aren't built with longevity in mind.  Yes, they are expensive and take a pounding during the race, but they aren't subjected to the same long term stresses that a production vehicle is subjected to, and they have significantly more maintenance time than most production vehicles too.  A full service mechanic available 24/7 isn't in most people's budgets.

Def

All very true and great points. I just hate to see IFS constantly run down because people have next to no experience with a properly built system. Plenty of Toyotas, Suzukis, and other 4x4's on the trail that have survived with IFS. Of course there is a reason that every hardcore offroad rig is running larger axles and beefier suspensions. 90%+ of the stock suspensions/axles can't handle serious abuse (Fordyce, Moab, Rubicon, etc) for very long. Heck, I've seen D60's snap under 2 Door Wranglers.

Love that Zuk!!!  :tu:  Some other sweet looking rigs in here guys!

That's a great rig!

Thanks guys. Can't wait to get this thing shipped to the US to start restoring the interior. Just not looking forward to the bill that comes with either one of those!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 18, 2014, 02:26:02 PM
I'm not running down IFS for the sake of running it down, not am I saying that an axle is the be all end all.  Just for me, and the work I do, I need something tougher than average, whether I go off road on weekends or not.

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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 18, 2014, 02:30:09 PM
I'm not running down IFS for the sake of running it down, not am I saying that an axle is the be all end all.  Just for me, and the work I do, I need something tougher than average, whether I go off road on weekends or not.

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Sometimes the axle case is the best tow point, just sayin'....
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dmanuel on March 18, 2014, 02:43:19 PM
I'm not running down IFS for the sake of running it down, not am I saying that an axle is the be all end all.  Just for me, and the work I do, I need something tougher than average, whether I go off road on weekends or not.

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 :tu: Couldn't ask for a better reason to own and praise a system than that right there!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Cupboard on March 18, 2014, 11:35:18 PM
I'm not running down IFS for the sake of running it down, not am I saying that an axle is the be all end all.  Just for me, and the work I do, I need something tougher than average, whether I go off road on weekends or not.

Def

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Sometimes the axle case is the best tow point, just sayin'....

Yup, tow starting something often the easiest way it to lob a chain round the axle. Couldn't do that with IFS.

My boss has just got back from a jaunt to look at a second hand Unimog. He wants a new toy  :facepalm:
I'm quite looking forward to it  :ahhh   :drool:

Edit: I hadn't realised the Humvee had IFS too.
Title: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Pignut71 on March 18, 2014, 11:55:52 PM
Here's my 1987 Suzuki SJ410. Two owners from new, I've had it since 2005. Love it! (It's my fifth SJ).(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/19/satemysa.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: J-sews on March 19, 2014, 12:06:13 AM
Is this thread for people who actual take their 4x4's off road, or can those who simply own 4x4's to compensate for their shortcomings elsewhere join in?

If it's the latter, then here's mine: :P



(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/Raptor%20pics/Feb5a_zpsbd3f7f76.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: thebullfrog on March 19, 2014, 12:37:42 AM
I hate Ford, but I love those things.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 19, 2014, 12:38:21 AM
Nice Raptor Bob! How come you didn't get the orange one?  :D

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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: RimfireNZ on March 19, 2014, 12:48:18 AM
Is this thread for people who actual take their 4x4's off road, or can those who simply own 4x4's to compensate for their shortcomings elsewhere join in?

If it's the latter, then here's mine: :P

That's a real looker! I've not seen one of those over here before. Are they some version of the F series of trucks or is it different?
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: thebullfrog on March 19, 2014, 12:50:51 AM
Yep, it's built off the F-150. And they are undeniably bad-ass. Basically think "desert Pre-runner from the factory you can get at any Ford dealership."
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 19, 2014, 01:46:32 AM
Is this thread for people who actual take their 4x4's off road, or can those who simply own 4x4's to compensate for their shortcomings elsewhere join in?

If it's the latter, then here's mine: :P



(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/Raptor%20pics/Feb5a_zpsbd3f7f76.jpg)


Sure, sure, but what kind of gas mileage does it get? :whistle:


nice truck
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: jerseydevil on March 19, 2014, 02:04:43 AM

Sure, sure, but what kind of gas mileage does it get? :whistle:


Probably still better than my '82 Caprice ever got.  That's a car I took through fields and dirt roads on occasion.  I even got it completely airborne once.....  :)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: J-sews on March 19, 2014, 02:09:30 AM
Thanks! Gas mileage isn't too bad, as long as I do my part and don't get heavy-footed. :angel:



Nice Raptor Bob! How come you didn't get the orange one?  :D

Def

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'Cause I'm not a 15-year old. ::)  (good lord are those orange ones ever gaudy) :facepalm:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 19, 2014, 02:49:20 AM

Sure, sure, but what kind of gas mileage does it get? :whistle:


Probably still better than my '82 Caprice ever got.  That's a car I took through fields and dirt roads on occasion.  I even got it completely airborne once.....  :)

1968 Pontiac Catalina.  4 door, 3 speed on the column, no power nuthin'.  No radio*; No air conditioning.

Just 375 HP 428 cu in 4bbl carb strapped to a frame.

My Dad bought it new and I drove it through college and the first year of med school.  Had to find a smaller car; there were no parking spaces big enough for it. 

It was known as "The Blue Tuna Boat"





*In 1981, my little brother and I installed a cassette radio and rear speakers in that beast.


It looked like this one, but without the fancy rims.

(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2169/1321/30420660001_large.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 19, 2014, 03:18:52 PM
I had an '81 Catalina in 2000. I drive halfway across Canada in it. What a great traveling car- I never felt a bump all the way across the country!

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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on April 12, 2014, 07:28:19 PM
Got a car back from the garage and had to test it...
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: RimfireNZ on April 13, 2014, 03:36:38 AM
I'm really missing not having a 4x4 I can wreck.

It looks liked there's a '98 Nissan Terrano 3.2L turbo intercooled diesel up at my dads work that he's going to get possession of... so if that works out I'll chuck him some cash for that and whack my tyres and winch on that and have a bit of fun with it.

The only problem is my Hilux isn't going to be rated to tow that. I'll be alright towing it (although I wont be winning any races) but trying to stop might be interesting. I'll be at 10,000lbs with that on the trailer and that requires having brakes on the trailer, which I don't have. I might be able to get them added... I don't know how much of a big deal that is. I'll ask my dad.

It's one of these.

(http://www.todoautos.com.pe/attachments/f43/215838d1247520962-vendo-nissan-terrano-1998-inmejorable-estado-pict0020.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: RimfireNZ on April 13, 2014, 03:41:29 AM
Is this thread for people who actual take their 4x4's off road, or can those who simply own 4x4's to compensate for their shortcomings elsewhere join in?

If it's the latter, then here's mine: :P



(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/Raptor%20pics/Feb5a_zpsbd3f7f76.jpg)

Damn J-sews... that's a nice truck. At over $8 a gallon for fuel over here, I wouldn't be able to afford to start it though. You barely ever see anything like that on the road here :(
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on April 19, 2014, 04:17:47 PM
I found an unused unofficial motocross track..

(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/toys/IMG_20140419_130330.jpg)

(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/toys/IMG_20140419_130630.jpg)

Made it up once, before it started raining and the clay got slippery
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/toys/IMG_20140419_125040.jpg)

I was glad I brought the short-wheelbase one.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/toys/IMG_20140419_130241.jpg)

Then went down a nice road..
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/toys/IMG_20140419_143850.jpg)

(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/toys/IMG_20140419_143812.jpg)

(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/toys/IMG_20140419_144113.jpg)

(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/toys/IMG_20140419_144157.jpg)

Going up is a bit harder...
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: derekmac on April 19, 2014, 04:56:11 PM
That looks like a nice little trail! :tu:  Sweet pics too!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on April 19, 2014, 04:59:52 PM
The motocross track was serious fun too. And I was able to go round it comfortably, listening to the radio and without getting covered in mud.

EDIT: Watching Top Gear Bolivia special for inspiration...
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Cupboard on April 19, 2014, 11:11:55 PM
RimfireNZ:
Regarding trailers, I don't know what things are like over there, but in the UK we can have unbraked trailers up to 750kg, trailer with over-run brakes up to 3500kg and above that you need coupled brakes. Trailers with over-run brake (that is when the trailer starts to overtake the tow vehicle the brakes are mechanically activated) are pretty common and cheap and you see quite a lot of car trailers around.

I think you'd probably be better off buying a second hand trailer set up with brakes already rather than trying to convert one.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 19, 2014, 11:14:15 PM
That looks like a lot of fun!  I'd love to have a track like that around that I could go and play in!

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Title: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: derekmac on May 11, 2014, 03:26:39 AM
Here's what happens when a non-Jeeper goes out. :D

(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/May%20Club%20Run/WP_20140510_14_04_45_Pro_zpsff135d0e.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/May%20Club%20Run/WP_20140510_14_04_45_Pro_zpsff135d0e.jpg.html)

(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/May%20Club%20Run/WP_20140510_14_03_54_Pro_zps28c8f8e8.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/May%20Club%20Run/WP_20140510_14_03_54_Pro_zps28c8f8e8.jpg.html)

I do have to admit, a built Jeep also couldn't make it through.


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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Cupboard on May 11, 2014, 09:15:16 PM
 :rofl:

Something that amused me recently was this:

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/74762000/jpg/_74762007_tentors1.jpg)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-27329458

Quite what was wrong with the road that its stuck next door to, or any of the more sensible routes I don't know. Well and truly cross axled! Only traction control or a rear locker would have got it out.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: RimfireNZ on May 26, 2014, 06:58:54 AM
I hope they got a tow truck there in time. It only takes about a week and a half for a Land Rover to rust away if left out in the elements :D
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Cupboard on May 26, 2014, 11:34:30 PM
 :facepalm:

It's funny but it's true.

I still want one.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: RimfireNZ on May 28, 2014, 10:25:44 AM
:facepalm:

It's funny but it's true.

I still want one.

Oh for sure... I love how even the new ones (I forget the model... defender?) are still riveted together and look like a classic... but my dad (being a mechanic) would disown me if I brought something home like that.

Not that I could afford one.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Pacu on June 01, 2014, 05:36:56 AM
I had an 08 jeep wrangler, traded for a 2013 Chevy 1500 ex cab, now im in a 2014 Nissan Xterra X. I like the xterra- 4.0 v6  better gas mileage than my chevy 5.3 liter v8, hauls all my tools. It's jeepy but not as $ as a 4 door jeep rubicon.  It'll do for a while. It flooded in Houston over the week so did a bit of off roading to avoid traffic.  >:D

Think im gonna use my discount and pimp out the sound system since i travel a lot.

I miss the jeep wave. Nobody waves at an xterra  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: RimfireNZ on June 04, 2014, 07:44:02 AM
I miss the jeep wave. Nobody waves at an xterra  :facepalm:

Certain cars attract that huh? I've owned a couple of miata's in the past and other miatas always wave. My old '68 Datsun used to get that too whenever you went past another Datsun or really anything that was old.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 04, 2014, 10:35:20 AM
Miata huh? You know that's a girl's car,  right?   :P

As to the XTerra, I was so painfully disappointed in them when I test drove it before plunking down the cash for my JKU.   The interior was crappy and uncomfortable, and a base model with the Pro-4X package cost about as much as my fully loaded Sahara ended up being.

I was really looking forward to the XTerra.

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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: RimfireNZ on June 04, 2014, 11:12:40 AM
Miata huh? You know that's a girl's car,  right?   :P

Oh here we go :P

I'd buy another one in a heartbeat if I had some spare cash (and space to park it). They're so much fun to drive you don't care how much of a poof you look like :D

This is going back about ten years, but this was my second one that some other person strapped a turbo onto the tiny little 1600cc engine (plus lowered it, had a heavier clutch in it, extractors and a bunch of other little tweaks). It only weighed 900kg/1900lbs so it went like the clappers. 200hp per ton and it gripped the road like nothing else I've driven.

Admittedly the first generation was built for little japanese fellas... not a 220lb 6 foot kiwi (or 5'11" as my girlfriend always points out if I say that). It was a bit of a squeeze.

(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/RimfireNZ/RedMiata186_zpse5841cda.jpg)

You can see the old Suzuki Escudo my brother and I had for offroading in the background too.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 04, 2014, 03:02:48 PM
I love two seat roadsters, including the Miata. One of these days I'll get an old MG or Triumph, and I certainly can't knock the Miatas.  They are a sweet little car.

I just wanted to say it before someone else did.... :D

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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: RimfireNZ on June 05, 2014, 06:06:20 AM
I love two seat roadsters, including the Miata. One of these days I'll get an old MG or Triumph, and I certainly can't knock the Miatas.  They are a sweet little car.

I just wanted to say it before someone else did.... :D

Def

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Oh I expected someone would pipe up and say something :P

The old MG's and Triumphs are nice (especially an old triumph convertible... I don't know the model, they're not common here)... but my dad would disown me if I brought something british home (he's a mechanic so knows he'd be the one always having to fix it... and since they're british and from the 70's... well they spend more time broken down than running). A datsun 240z would be what I'd love... but I don't have my own house yet so I can't get any more toys.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 05, 2014, 01:48:11 PM
I was driving a 240Z for a while years ago as a company car.  Man that thing was a potent beast.  We were well into third gear by the time the tires stopped spinning!

This is why I drive trucks.  They are powerful but not overly fast or agile.  If I had a high performance sports car I'd drive it the way it's meant to be driven and I'd be dead or in jail.  I'm bad enough with my ultra peppy VW Golf.   :ahhh

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on August 12, 2014, 07:43:06 AM
I do like exploring places, so I tend to try and go off-road with any car I am driving..

I made it half way up the steep hill with a smaller car but it started spinning a bit and the rocks were too big... I was following a sign that said nothing about the condition of the road, or the distance.
I may have been able to go further up by going in reverse (front wheel drive) but there was a risk of serious damage to the tyres, or to me  (I was threatened by the passengers)...

So next day I took a proper offroad car, and was able to explore (a different area) easily (knife in door pocket, in case of bear attacks).
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: zoidberg on August 12, 2014, 09:32:11 AM
I tried to take a shortcut last week by driving a few km up a near dry riverbed only to find the ramp out had been washed away leaving no possible exit for me.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: RimfireNZ on August 13, 2014, 06:43:01 AM
The hilux got some decent offroading over the weekend.

I went on a possum hunting trip (not the same as your US possums, they're Australasian brushtail possums) up north, getting close to the top of New Zealand. I ended up shooting about 50 of them.

It was a farm that backed onto a forestry block that I had access to.

(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/RimfireNZ/drive-road_zps0f845d82.png)

After a couple of hours of driving you run out of sealed road.

(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/RimfireNZ/drive-gravel_zps54f4162f.png)

Once I arrived at the property I found out all the tracks weren't very drivable in the winter (pretty much just quad bike tracks) and had lots of river crossings. Just as well I like getting the hilux muddy and still have enough tread on my tyres! I found a spot on the farm (behind the shed you can see) that I thought I'd set up camp at.

(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/RimfireNZ/river_zps571e76ed.png)

Setting up camp was easy as I just needed to set up my bed in the hilux. I need to take the folding down seats out next time to give me a little more room. I keep forgetting to do it and it results in an uncomfy night sleep.

(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/RimfireNZ/campsite-1_zpscc535e29.png)
(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/RimfireNZ/bed_zps667ad0b9.png)

I went out for a quick shoot myself for some bunnies before tea, but didn't have any luck. I think the calisi virus killed off most of the rabbits. I did get two. Then it was back to camp for dinner.

(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/RimfireNZ/cooking_zps3b2a078d.png)
(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/RimfireNZ/dinner_zpsfb3bff9e.png)

Once it got dark I went back to pick up the farmer as I offered for him to come out (since he doesn't have his firearms license and doesn't get to shoot).

We must have dropped 50~ possums. One tree had 7 in it. After a little bit of instruction the farmer turned out to be a natural and popped off a few nice head shots. I didn't take many kill pics as I was plucking fur and had blood on my hands.

The truck got a very good workout with washed out forestry roads, having to climb nearly foot high collapsed bits of road, having to drive through some of the mushiest farmland I've been on, and crossing these streams all the time.

Trying to do "river" crossings in the truck at night is pretty scary. So much of the farm had apparently been changed by storms so I had to get out and check the depths before driving through. That was some cold water...
(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/RimfireNZ/ScreenShot2014-08-10at51859PM_zpsaa0ebd5e.png)

Once it got late I took the farmer back to his place and drove back to camp. I went out and got another dozen or so possums. Then it was bed time. Check out the new LED lighting my brother helped me get set up in the truck. I think I mentioned it but I also mounted a 2000 lumen rear spotlight that lets me see where I'm backing up in the dark.

(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/RimfireNZ/LED-lights_zps3a31fd49.png)

Sorry for the lack of photos of kills, but I was baby-sitting an unlicensed person so had to keep my eye on what he was doing with my rifle and was busy making sure I wasn't going to get shot.

(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/RimfireNZ/IMG_3446_zpsf6523cf1.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Max Archer on August 13, 2014, 11:16:44 AM
There's a big 4x4 shaped hole in my garage. (I have a Fiesta, an S2000, and an M3, so nothing even close to off road capable.) I've always wanted a utility/adventure vehicle, something that's reasonably usable on the road, competent on a trail, and with lots of enclosed space. An older Land Cruiser, Range Rover, Series/Defender Landy, or maybe even a Wagoneer would be awesome.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: ducttapetech on August 13, 2014, 12:21:11 PM
Rimfire, it looks like you had one hell of a good day! Sweet pics too.

That's us mobile.

Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Cupboard on August 13, 2014, 10:13:59 PM
There's a big 4x4 shaped hole in my garage. (I have a Fiesta, an S2000, and an M3, so nothing even close to off road capable.) I've always wanted a utility/adventure vehicle, something that's reasonably usable on the road, competent on a trail, and with lots of enclosed space. An older Land Cruiser, Range Rover, Series/Defender Landy, or maybe even a Wagoneer would be awesome.

Get a Range Rover classic or Classic, with the 200 or 300 TDi engine. Lovely bits of kit.
Or a Defender - they're a bit more utilitarian but fantastic workhorses.

I would be inclined to stay away from a Series Landy unless you really know what you're letting yourself in for:

Leaf springs: you really want coils on the road because they're much more comfortable, and you really want coils off road because you get far better axle articulation. Something that few if any current pickups other than the Defender have.

No power steering: sure the Series vehicles are lighter and not having power steering makes you less inclined to put stupid wide tyres on*, but for driving off road power steering makes a huge difference.

Gearbox: unless you go for a Series 3, you don't have synchro on all gears.

4WD: On the road, the permanent 4WD of the Defender or Range Rover makes a big difference and I speak with a bit of experience from a friend that was forced in to running his Discovery in rear wheel drive only for a bit. It also makes a big difference to on road towing. Off road, just stick the centre diff lock in and you're in the same position as a vehicle with selectable 4WD.

Engines: most Series vehicles were petrol engined. They're tough, reliable and go on for years but if you're going to get them wet you're better off with a Diesel. Not that the petrols can't be waterproofed, it's just easier and sort of "built in" with a Diesel.


Bearing in mind what I've said about permanent 4WD and coil springs it's frustrating that the majority of the pickups on the market don't have these features. It's not like it's new technology - it was pretty revolutionary when the Range Rover introduced it in the 70s but both should really be standard these days IMO rather than a bit of a Land Rover oddity.

*The comment about "stupid wide tyres" is a divisive one. Lots of people think that the wider the tyre is, the more grip you get and whilst there can sometimes be an advantage to wide tyres they usually make things worse. Traction is a function of the contact *length* with the ground, not contact width or area - it isn't just me saying this, there's been a lot of research done about it, books published by tyre manufacturers, research my boss did when he was doing his Masters, etc etc. Taking two tyres of identical pressures and heights but differing widths, intuitively they'll have the same contact area but the narrower tyre will have to spread that over a longer (in the direction of attempted travel) piece of ground.

Not to say wide tyres are always bad - if you're driving on very swampy ground and want really low ground pressure then they're good, and if you want to do high speed cornering then wide, low profile tyres are good (suddenly the forces are sideways rather than front to back, but like you're ever going to do that in a Defender). The rest of the time though, you're spraying more mud up the side of your truck, reducing the turning circle, making the steering heavier, the handling even worse and hitting the fuel economy.

Our farm Defender has full profile 7.50 R16s on it (that's 7.5" tread width, 7.5" sidewall height, 16" wheel - tall and skinny) and the only time that's ever been stuck in driving and towing across muddy fields is in a really boggy bit of track that our neighbour got two tractors stuck in the year after.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on December 28, 2014, 03:36:14 PM
I combined hunting with a bit more off-road fun than usual today. I went to some of my usual spots, up some cliffs, etc and...

(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/vehicles/IMG_20141228_102846.jpg)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/vehicles/IMG_20141228_111654.jpg)

I saw some nice mud and drove through it, spinning happily. I kept the car in 2WD for extra fun.

(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/vehicles/IMG_20141228_110751.jpg)

(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/vehicles/IMG_20141228_112427_2.jpg)

(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/vehicles/IMG_20141228_112453_3.jpg)

(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/vehicles/IMG_20141228_112457_5.jpg)

(I went through several times...)
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/vehicles/IMG_20141228_111120.jpg)

I also went up a nice hilly road that is usually challenging but passable and entertaining. Unfortunately, as I discovered halfway up, the recent rain had moved some rocks/boulders into one side of the road, a ditch, making it impossible to drive up. I did try to climb over them and ended with the car stuck and practically on its side. I could not open the door and my passengers were complaining. Unfortunately I did not take any pictures  :D .
After considering getting winched I managed to unstick the car and slowly drag it/drive it down the road a bit, onto firmer ground. It was fun, but next time I will try to do it with a spotter as it was a pain reversing down a slidy cliff using just the side mirrors.

Here is a picture of the tyre, after I stopped for some hunting fun.

(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/vehicles/IMG_20141228_124513_3.jpg)

Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: derekmac on December 28, 2014, 04:05:25 PM
Looks like a nice little adventure! :tu:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on December 28, 2014, 04:08:21 PM
Yes, I am glad for good ground clearance, short wheelbase (for easy reversing- I had done similar things with a pickup truck and when you are stuck reversing is a pain) and cheap wheels and tyres (and good underbody protection, based on the bumping from the stones I was getting). :D
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on December 28, 2014, 05:10:41 PM
I do like exploring places, so I tend to try and go off-road with any car I am driving..

I made it half way up the steep hill with a smaller car but it started spinning a bit and the rocks were too big... I was following a sign that said nothing about the condition of the road, or the distance.
I may have been able to go further up by going in reverse (front wheel drive) but there was a risk of serious damage to the tyres, or to me  (I was threatened by the passengers)...

So next day I took a proper offroad car, and was able to explore (a different area) easily (knife in door pocket, in case of bear attacks).

I want to hang out with you, you seem like fantastically good fun!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on December 28, 2014, 05:17:07 PM
too far away.   :D  Try Grant/derecmac etc; they are closer and apparently fun too
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 28, 2014, 06:35:41 PM
I get called a lot of things on a daily basis, but "fun" usually isn't on the list!   

Def

Sent from my smurfing hunk of techno sorcery

Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: derekmac on December 28, 2014, 06:50:03 PM
:D
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Cupboard on December 29, 2014, 06:20:39 PM
Gave mine a wash today:

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51059.0;attach=137463;image)

And it's now in the workshop pending rustproofing tomorrow:

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51059.0;attach=137465;image)

And here is a video someone posted on a different forum that had me laughing very hard. It's not safe for:
German speakers (probably won't be funny)
Jeep owners
Work
Children

Hitler Green Laning in the Peak District. Loves Land Rovers - Hates Jeeps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmWS0Ammvcs#ws)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 29, 2014, 11:55:33 PM
That was hilarious!

Def

Sent from a digital multitool

Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on January 08, 2015, 09:37:54 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2900978/Six-Land-Rover-Defenders-create-Britain-s-biggest-sand-drawing-Anglesey-beach-bidding-farewell-Queen-s-favourite-4x4.html

Six Land Rover Defenders create Britain's biggest ever sand drawing on Anglesey beach

They are not all called defenders....

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/07/2478E87B00000578-2900978-

Land_Rover_The_UK_s_largest_sand_drawing_an_image_of_a_a_Defende-a-243_1420668397718.jpg)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/07/247C59A300000578-2900978-image-m-215_1420667888909.jpg)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/07/247C603900000578-2900978-image-m-214_1420667871808.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on January 08, 2015, 06:14:13 PM
Isn't the daily mail a bit of nonsense anyway? They likely said that because not enough people would know the difference anyway. Like if it was jeeps they'd probably just say a bunch of jeeps.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on January 10, 2015, 04:41:22 PM
4wd was needed today (I had a fun slide trying to stop...)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 10, 2015, 05:48:39 PM
I have been switching in and out of 4WD a lot over the last couple of days for the same reason!

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on January 10, 2015, 05:54:45 PM
For flat, slightly snowy roads them newfangled AWD cars with auto everything and ABS seem better
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 10, 2015, 08:06:09 PM
There are no flat roads in my city!

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: derekmac on January 10, 2015, 10:11:37 PM
There are no flat roads in my city!

Def
There is that one...  Oh, no, never mind.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 10, 2015, 10:35:19 PM
Luckily there are lots of potholes for traction....

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on January 11, 2015, 06:29:58 PM
watching the top gear Bolivia special for inspiration
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on January 11, 2015, 06:56:03 PM
watching the top gear Bolivia special for inspiration

I downloaded that one to my iPod :rofl:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on January 19, 2015, 08:59:34 PM
Had to fix the Durango today, more cosmetic than mechanical though. There's a cargo hatch in the floor of the trunk area which is very handy(keep my towing gear and my "emergency" fishing stuff). But the hatch itself is made out of particle board, which sucks. I have an old ammo box I keep back there packed with blankets jumpers road signals and all that and it's rather heavy.

The box sits on the hatch lid, and over time it's cracked the particle board apart and soon it's going to be useless so I did my best to fix it. Lag bolts and large fender washers are now holding the two pieces together, but it's likely just a temporary fix :-\
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: stealth007s on January 26, 2015, 01:41:11 AM
watching the top gear Bolivia special for inspiration

Have you seen the Patagonia Special?
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on January 26, 2015, 01:56:14 AM
I have!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Crocker on January 26, 2015, 04:02:49 AM
Nothing fancy, just a '13 Toyota Tacoma 4 door short box. Runs great in snow, handles gravel roads and bush trails well, pulls okay, and everything works as it should.

In the past I've had 2 Rav4s, a Bronco II, a Suzuki 410, none of them were as good as this Tacoma.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on January 26, 2015, 04:07:57 AM
Nothing fancy, just a '13 Toyota Tacoma 4 door short box. Runs great in snow, handles gravel roads and bush trails well, pulls okay, and everything works as it should.

In the past I've had 2 Rav4s, a Bronco II, a Suzuki 410, none of them were as good as this Tacoma.

Does your Taco have the 4.0?
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 26, 2015, 11:56:29 AM
Had to fix the Durango today, more cosmetic than mechanical though. There's a cargo hatch in the floor of the trunk area which is very handy(keep my towing gear and my "emergency" fishing stuff). But the hatch itself is made out of particle board, which sucks. I have an old ammo box I keep back there packed with blankets jumpers road signals and all that and it's rather heavy.

The box sits on the hatch lid, and over time it's cracked the particle board apart and soon it's going to be useless so I did my best to fix it. Lag bolts and large fender washers are now holding the two pieces together, but it's likely just a temporary fix :-\

I hate particle board covers.  They just aren't built to last.  It's a bit pricey, but you could look for ultra high molecular weight (UHMW) plastic, like they use in cutting boards and see if you can find a piece big enough to replace the cover.  The good news is that stuff is virtually indestructible. 

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on January 26, 2015, 12:46:19 PM
Had to fix the Durango today, more cosmetic than mechanical though. There's a cargo hatch in the floor of the trunk area which is very handy(keep my towing gear and my "emergency" fishing stuff). But the hatch itself is made out of particle board, which sucks. I have an old ammo box I keep back there packed with blankets jumpers road signals and all that and it's rather heavy.

The box sits on the hatch lid, and over time it's cracked the particle board apart and soon it's going to be useless so I did my best to fix it. Lag bolts and large fender washers are now holding the two pieces together, but it's likely just a temporary fix :-\

I hate particle board covers.  They just aren't built to last.  It's a bit pricey, but you could look for ultra high molecular weight (UHMW) plastic, like they use in cutting boards and see if you can find a piece big enough to replace the cover.  The good news is that stuff is virtually indestructible. 

Def

Yeah, they're basically disposable >:(, I was starting to debate using either wood or diamond plate. But I'll likely give it some time and see how the current set up lasts. The only pain is the fact that there isn't a real hinge, so it'll interesting.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Cupboard on January 30, 2015, 05:34:39 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2900978/Six-Land-Rover-Defenders-create-Britain-s-biggest-sand-drawing-Anglesey-beach-bidding-farewell-Queen-s-favourite-4x4.html

Six Land Rover Defenders create Britain's biggest ever sand drawing on Anglesey beach

They are not all called defenders....

Yes, that pissed me off too. And the Queen isn't even driving a Defender in the picture, that's a 110 - before the Discovery came out they were just called "Land Rover 90" and "Land Rover 110".

I was visiting my parents yesterday because I was on a course in the town they live near, got back from the course and collared by my dad to tow his car to the garage because it had broken again. My Defender didn't notice anything on the back, same sluggish performance as always  :rofl:

I have been switching in and out of 4WD a lot over the last couple of days for the same reason!

Def

Permanent 4WD FTW :D I don't know why Jeep and no basically no pickups have it. I think it's an option on one of the VW Amaroks? That's the Amarok where a locking rear diff is standard on the base spec model and not an option on any of the other ones  :facepalm:

I quite fancy ATB diffs for the centre and rear of my Defender. The centre one is still lockable for proper offroading but the combination should be a nice little upgrade and they're not horrendously expensive.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on January 30, 2015, 06:01:34 PM
Full time 4wd drops the mileage, Jeep used to offer it in the Grand Cherokee on the fancier models but I'm not sure if they still do. I don't really want full time.

Though I will never buy a vehicle without 4wd now. Everyone spent hours trying to dig their cars out, I just turned overdrive off hit 4LO and cruised through the 2 feet of snow :D I was so satisfied.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Cupboard on January 30, 2015, 06:22:42 PM
Meh, I'm driving something with the aerodynamics of a brick anyway, I'd prefer to sacrifice one or two MPG for the benefits it brings.
That said, considering Defenders do have the aerodynamics of a brick, 30MPG (imperial) in the real world isn't too bad.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on January 30, 2015, 06:26:11 PM
Meh, I'm driving something with the aerodynamics of a brick anyway, I'd prefer to sacrifice one or two MPG for the benefits it brings.
That said, considering Defenders do have the aerodynamics of a brick, 30MPG (imperial) in the real world isn't too bad.

I go from about 12 to about 8....... :facepalm:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Cupboard on January 30, 2015, 07:35:57 PM
the improved fuel economy of your part time 4WD working well for you right there  :rofl:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on January 30, 2015, 07:48:02 PM
the improved fuel economy of your part time 4WD working well for you right there  :rofl:

I believe the correct response to that is to yell AMERICA and stomp on the throttle, but I could be mistaken :rofl:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: ducttapetech on January 30, 2015, 08:09:25 PM
Merica!

Nate

Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on January 30, 2015, 08:10:30 PM
Merica!

Nate

YEAHHHHH!!!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Cupboard on January 31, 2015, 03:09:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGQaH3-LK54
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on February 10, 2015, 12:24:06 AM
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Higgins%27-shots/durangowithcadet.jpg?m=1423523327)

Giving my transfer case a good work out. I love snow driving!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on February 10, 2015, 08:15:23 AM
I drive in the snow about once a year..   :D 

still fun.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 10, 2015, 11:57:18 AM
Is that what counts for snow where you are?  :P

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Crocker on February 15, 2015, 08:58:48 PM
-20C, -30 with the windchill, this morning and the Tacoma started right up as easily as it does any other time. Handles great in the snow but I might get snow tires for next winter as i hope to do some more winter outings.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Cupboard on March 14, 2015, 10:26:26 AM
I bought a second hand set of wheels (that I wanted) with some tyres (that I didn't want but they were effectively free). BFGoodrich Mud Terrains in 255/85/16 on Land Rover's XD "Wolf" rims.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WobQ-Swq6B8/VQP7knNEmxI/AAAAAAAAFZs/uhUmkgbuJos/s640/IMG_20150308_144922121_HDR.jpg)

They are the skinniest you can get 33" tyres in and are the tallest you can fit under a stock Defender. I've always turned my nose up at people that go for "the look" but I do think it looks pretty awesome :D

Tyres need to be flogged though, they're too loud really and in the gloop I've driven through they're a bit better than my 7.50/16 Michelin Latitudes but not *that* much better.

Edit: the other two things in the picture are the farm's 110 Hi Cap Pickup and the Unimog, both excellent 4x4s too :)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on March 14, 2015, 02:21:47 PM
I bought a second hand set of wheels (that I wanted) with some tyres (that I didn't want but they were effectively free). BFGoodrich Mud Terrains in 255/85/16 on Land Rover's XD "Wolf" rims.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WobQ-Swq6B8/VQP7knNEmxI/AAAAAAAAFZs/uhUmkgbuJos/s640/IMG_20150308_144922121_HDR.jpg)

They are the skinniest you can get 33" tyres in and are the tallest you can fit under a stock Defender. I've always turned my nose up at people that go for "the look" but I do think it looks pretty awesome :D

Tyres need to be flogged though, they're too loud really and in the gloop I've driven through they're a bit better than my 7.50/16 Michelin Latitudes but not *that* much better.

Edit: the other two things in the picture are the farm's 110 Hi Cap Pickup and the Unimog, both excellent 4x4s too :)

Well, if you don't want them you could always send them over the pond :D

And Def not sure how I let that one slide! :pok: that's a spot that had been cleared quite a few times. I think we got something stupid like 105 inches just in February, so we had plenty of the white stuff
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 14, 2015, 06:37:30 PM
You too huh? 

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10556314_10155372476115441_349265890002908154_n.jpg?oh=945b829de63f1d5f7e905dbb8a1de0b6&oe=55B6695D&__gda__=1433394189_79604f7a04eb5a2a5d004e3a565aa417)

This is the ice pack under the snow, where the snow was cleared away. 

Tom- that is a beautiful rig and I really like those tires.  I am really loving that 110 pickup in the back.  I was under the impression that those were kits/mods and that they never came from the factory like that- is that true?

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: derekmac on March 14, 2015, 08:20:21 PM
Here are some non-Jeeps from todays run.

(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7396.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7396.jpg.html)

(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7390.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7390.jpg.html)

(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7389.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7389.jpg.html)

(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7384.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7384.jpg.html)

(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7381.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7381.jpg.html)

(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7356.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7356.jpg.html)

(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7343.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7343.jpg.html)

(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7323.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7323.jpg.html)

(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7320.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7320.jpg.html)

(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7314.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7314.jpg.html)

(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7310.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7310.jpg.html)

(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7308.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7308.jpg.html)

(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w472/derekmachfx/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7290.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/derekmachfx/media/Offroading/Club%20Run%20Pipeline%2014-Mar-15/_DSC7290.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on March 14, 2015, 08:22:33 PM
It's unfortunate, but I'll probably end up being a Yota man when Christine is put out to pasture
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 15, 2015, 01:00:10 AM
I was so disappointed with both the FJ Cruiser and XTerra when I test drive them.  Especially the XTerra because I was looking forward to it much more than I was the FJ.

Honestly, I don't see the appeal of either of them, especially when you consider their base price is equivalent to a well appointed Sahara or Rubicon.

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on March 15, 2015, 01:17:49 AM
I was so disappointed with both the FJ Cruiser and XTerra when I test drive them.  Especially the XTerra because I was looking forward to it much more than I was the FJ.

Honestly, I don't see the appeal of either of them, especially when you consider their base price is equivalent to a well appointed Sahara or Rubicon.

Def

I meant a Tacoma, but I know what you mean. I like the FJ in the fact that it's different. But it just costs far too much.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: derekmac on March 15, 2015, 01:20:54 AM
They're something different. A lot of people don't like Jeeps, or the reliability issues that follows Chrysler.

I drive a Jeep, but it's not a Wrangler. I know why Wranglers are so popular, but to me, it sucks when everyone on a run is driving the same damn thing. It gets boring after a while.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on March 15, 2015, 01:27:59 AM
They're something different. A lot of people don't like Jeeps, or the reliability issues that follows Chrysler.

I drive a Jeep, but it's not a Wrangler. I know why Wranglers are so popular, but to me, it sucks when everyone on a run is driving the same damn thing. It gets boring after a while.

I second that, I like to be different! Wranglers are great, but it's more fun to see a variety out there. it's sort of sad that the amount of rugged options from the factory are just dwindling more and more.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Syncop8r on March 15, 2015, 02:10:33 AM
Edit: the other two things in the picture are the farm's 110 Hi Cap Pickup and the Unimog, both excellent 4x4s too :)

More Unimog pics please!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 15, 2015, 02:13:44 AM
I'm actually not saying that because I'm a Jeep guy.  I don't think of myself as a Jeep guy really- I'm just a guy that didn't want to pay more to get less.  The FJ Cruiser base price (here) was $37k.   Base price on a 4 door Wrangler is $24K.  The XTerra was $42K.  The FJ and the XTerra are not worth that much more money, especially when you consider there are no options for that price, and that they have no solid front axle.

I found the FJ suspension extremely soft and the body roll on corners was enough to make you seasick and there was little to no visibility out the sides or back- it reminded me of the cargo van I used to drive.  Heated seats weren't even an option on it.

The XTerra was nice enough to drive, but super basic, and the panels that cover the holes for the switches for features you don't have looked like scrap plastic hot glued in place. 

All in all I was not impressed in the trucks themselves, not just comparing them unfavorably to the Jeep.

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on March 15, 2015, 02:16:58 AM
I'm actually not saying that because I'm a Jeep guy.  I don't think of myself as a Jeep guy really- I'm just a guy that didn't want to pay more to get less.  The FJ Cruiser base price (here) was $37k.   Base price on a 4 door Wrangler is $24K.  The XTerra was $42K.  The FJ and the XTerra are not worth that much more money, especially when you consider there are no options for that price, and that they have no solid front axle.

I found the FJ suspension extremely soft and the body roll on corners was enough to make you seasick and there was little to no visibility out the sides or back- it reminded me of the cargo van I used to drive.  Heated seats weren't even an option on it.

The XTerra was nice enough to drive, but super basic, and the panels that cover the holes for the switches for features you don't have looked like scrap plastic hot glued in place. 

All in all I was not impressed in the trucks themselves, not just comparing them unfavorably to the Jeep.

Def

Oh geez! At those based prices they better be made of solid gold!!! Yeah I don't think anyone could fault you there buddy. If I were to spec out a brand new 4runner trd pro(the top model) it would be around the base for the Xterra. That's unreal.
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Post by: NKlamerus on March 15, 2015, 02:27:17 AM
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/14/126929f32dfdc59fad1d59e13ce0ce74.jpg)

I don't think Diesels really have a large place off the beaten path. Atleast in stock  production vehicles. But that doesn't stop me (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/14/f680417adb1805e61b5a4bc345a5bb26.jpg)(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/14/d8cca047c629244a4690709618007721.jpg)(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/14/5981517193b2af09152f6a0b5ce3e9bb.jpg)

My favorite photo.
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Post by: NKlamerus on March 18, 2015, 03:16:28 AM
So ready to get back offroad!

Bumper is back on!!!!

(http://i.imgur.com/Q7OXIhT.jpg)
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 18, 2015, 11:54:19 AM
Nice bumper!

Since I work on shipping I can't help but feel that every vehicle is better with D Rings on it!

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: NKlamerus on March 18, 2015, 01:55:44 PM
Nice bumper!

Since I work on shipping I can't help but feel that every vehicle is better with D Rings on it!

Def
Agreed!!

I think I might paint them with reflective paint though. The white on black pops, but not enough
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Cupboard on March 25, 2015, 07:44:48 PM
Tom- that is a beautiful rig and I really like those tires.  I am really loving that 110 pickup in the back.  I was under the impression that those were kits/mods and that they never came from the factory like that- is that true?

Def

No, that's completely stock. There are three sorts of 110 Pickup, the "standard" which looks like my grey one but with the roof taken off, the High Capacity, or Hi-Cap as they're known and then the double cab. The DC has an extra row of seats and a shorter bed (like a 90 pickup bed), and the Hi-Cap just get more space in the back compared to a regular pickup. Given how narrow a Land Rover is, the wider body still isn't that wide, but it's wider than normal and has more internal width than other pickups on the market.

A couple of not very good pictures, towing and being used as a water tanker for our forage harvester additive tank:

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-S6VpcA2g01w/VRL9dhqRxmI/AAAAAAAAFlk/BKZcnRsyIp0/s640/286385_10152215404920372_1405046014_o.jpg)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-bhTa_jMC1vo/VRL9nBi9YGI/AAAAAAAAFlQ/nkxX6eQggxI/s640/334306_10152215390595372_1495103420_o.jpg)

The tank is fine when it's full, but once you've taken some of the water out it sloshes really badly (obviously). We've tried it on the front of one of our telehandlers because they're not suspended at the front, and the sloshing ended up just breaking the tank it got that violent when I was driving it up the road.

Land Rovers for ages have been the only pickups you can tow a 3.5t trailer with in the UK, and actually if you've got coupled breaks it's 4.5t. There are a couple of other pickups now that are getting there, but only in the last couple of years.

With a Defender there are 3 wheelbases, 90, 110 and 130 inches (approx), and loads of different body styles in each length you can have. Pickups, station wagons, hard tops, chassis cabs, DC chassis cabs... Not for much longer though sadly :(
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Post by: Cupboard on March 25, 2015, 07:48:44 PM
I don't think Diesels really have a large place off the beaten path. Atleast in stock  production vehicles. But that doesn't stop me

I'm glad it doesn't stop you, but I'd much prefer a diesel any day! More torque, better engine braking, better wading, better fuel consumption so better range... the list goes on!
It's very rare to find any working vehicle here that isn't diesel because it's much better suited for the job. Tractors, lorries, 4x4s, vans...
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Cupboard on March 27, 2015, 09:03:49 PM
Edit: the other two things in the picture are the farm's 110 Hi Cap Pickup and the Unimog, both excellent 4x4s too :)

More Unimog pics please!

I haven't got very many I'm afraid, it's not mine sadly. My boss bought it as a bit of a toy but it has its uses too. It was on our slurry tanker and a trailer earlier, then powering the farm generator today:

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-1-VYniDc680/VRW1wLzAiSI/AAAAAAAAFrE/u1nnmgastgc/s640/IMG_20150327_104119945.jpg)

It's a bit older than our tractors (2001) and less refined, the more recent ones are a bit fancier. Obviously it's quite a bit faster than our tractors, it will do 60MPH instead of 35MPH, and it's got plenty of grunt. However, it's got a manual gearbox instead of a CVT, manual hydraulics instead of computerised electric spools and the only way to our tanker you're forever climbing up and down the steps. Or at least the guy that drivers our tanker is, I leave that to someone that can do a good job  :tu:

Horses for courses, I do rather like it but you do have to treat it as a different thing to a tractor. And it is *very* yellow.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: derekmac on March 27, 2015, 09:42:22 PM
That thing is amazing!!! :drool:


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Post by: Higgins617 on June 22, 2015, 04:34:34 AM
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Higgins%27-shots/IMAG1391.jpg?m=1434939921)

Christine working a bit harder than most Durangos ever will. It was the biggest chipper they had on the lot, and it was definitely noticeable.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on September 09, 2015, 11:57:49 AM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/08/17/2C12771900000578-0-image-a-16_1441730288197.jpg)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/08/17/2C12773D00000578-0-image-a-22_1441730646080.jpg)

British luxury car giant Bentley has unleashed its first ever 4X4 and pledged that the £160,000 187mph Bentayga will be ‘the most powerful, luxurious, and exclusive sports utility vehicle in the world’.
 
Photographs, details and video of the British-built 4X4 supercar were issued by Bentley just days before it formally launches the Bentayga at next week’s Frankfurt Motor Show.


 http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-3226707/Bentley-reveals-Bentayga-4x4-hit-187mph.html#ixzz3lEZJRVoy
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: NKlamerus on September 09, 2015, 06:39:07 PM
Almost totally forgot about this thread. Odd considering my truck is just as much an interest as multitools

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/09/73117a8423282d8d506a56bdc8fc3eb5.jpg)

She doesn't see offroad as much anymore. Don't have the time or money. (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/09/df3b6db975779ed5271748bcd3614fe5.jpg)
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Post by: SteveC on September 09, 2015, 09:17:18 PM
I had a lot of adventures in my '75 FJ55 Land Cruiser when I lived in Colorado.

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k115/asc67/IMG_3146_zpsf9fcd2cf.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: campussecurity on September 11, 2015, 12:52:07 AM
Not a full picture but I took this picture of the view with my 4Runner in it. 2008 4Runner SR5 4x4. It's my 60 mile a day round trip commuter. (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/10/83e47c8d88417ccba44b2e458e13130a.jpg)

I love this rig. Miss my full size truck though. Sold my Silverado because of my commute to work.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: campussecurity on September 11, 2015, 12:54:20 AM
Here was my Silverado and my 4Runner at the dealer. Bought them at the same dealership. Bought my wife's car there and my parent have bought 3 cars from them so they sell cars to us for what they paid for it.

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/10/e2c91ddaacbf985a64fa9e50d2a47ae0.jpg)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/10/abb448bfd8af1c104899d438ba822b2c.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on October 25, 2015, 12:45:06 PM
There was some heavy rain so I went out for some fun in the mud.. sliding, spinning..

One of my usual spots was a bit deeper and slippier than last year, so I had some fun trying to get unstuck for 30 minutes..   :D
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: NKlamerus on October 26, 2015, 02:33:23 AM
Looks like fun!!!!^^^

To me, water is an enemy. My air intake is DIRECTLY above my passenger tire.

I don't enjoy puddles, I enjoy mud lol

Looks like you got the best of both worlds!! (Or I guess you could also say; it got you!)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on October 26, 2015, 09:59:23 AM
The air intake is below the rear bumper, so I usually bump it when reversing   :D

It was weird, as last time I was able to drive through the mud in 2wheel drive, spinning but moving.

It must have been especially slippery yesterday...
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dmanuel on October 26, 2015, 10:05:11 PM
There was some heavy rain so I went out for some fun in the mud.. sliding, spinning..

One of my usual spots was a bit deeper and slippier than last year, so I had some fun trying to get unstuck for 30 minutes..   :D

That's what makes it fun!

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e118/dmanuel/57169_471400942301_1272133_o_zpsyl6qkceg.jpg)
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Post by: tjfarrington2000 on October 26, 2015, 11:01:44 PM
Nope. We had two jeeps that never went off-roading. Sold the last jeep because of gas mileage, bought a Passat TDI for my mother. But, I got a BMW 5 series!


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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 26, 2015, 11:05:04 PM
There was some heavy rain so I went out for some fun in the mud.. sliding, spinning..

One of my usual spots was a bit deeper and slippier than last year, so I had some fun trying to get unstuck for 30 minutes..   :D

That's what makes it fun!

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e118/dmanuel/57169_471400942301_1272133_o_zpsyl6qkceg.jpg)

There is a similar pic of me on FB, except my Jeep is still in the water and I'm tying a strap to the bumper.....

Def
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Post by: derekmac on October 27, 2015, 12:21:03 AM
A few of the non Jeepers I wheel with.


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Post by: Higgins617 on October 27, 2015, 12:44:29 AM
A few of the non Jeepers I wheel with.


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....... But... D-Mac.... Grand Cherokees areeeeeee Jeepsssss
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: derekmac on October 27, 2015, 12:45:49 AM

A few of the non Jeepers I wheel with.


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....... But... D-Mac.... Grand Cherokees areeeeeee Jeepsssss
Not those ones. :P

The Toyota, Lexus and Dodge.


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Post by: Higgins617 on October 27, 2015, 12:47:36 AM

A few of the non Jeepers I wheel with.


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....... But... D-Mac.... Grand Cherokees areeeeeee Jeepsssss
Not those ones. :P

The Toyota, Lexus and Dodge.


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I've always sort of dug those Lexuses(Lex-I????), like a fancy land cruiser.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on October 27, 2015, 07:18:42 AM
Drmanuel, that shows commitment..  :D


The Lexus I see are just the regular slightly raised 4WD ones, that are not supposed to be doing any serious off-roading (based on how they look).  Maybe they are more capable than they appear to be.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on October 29, 2015, 11:47:05 PM
Finally found legal 4x4 trails in my state!!!! Anyone who has been to Massachusetts will know how difficult this is, anything you find fun is likely illegal here :facepalm:. My nearest state forest is actually in the process of banning biking there.......
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: derekmac on October 29, 2015, 11:57:22 PM
Finally found legal 4x4 trails in my state!!!! Anyone who has been to Massachusetts will know how difficult this is, anything you find fun is likely illegal here :facepalm:. My nearest state forest is actually in the process of banning biking there.......
Man, that sucks big time!!!  Here, if it's not gated, or doesn't have No Trespassing signs, you're good to go.  We don't wheel on private land unless the owners are OK with it though.  Saying that though, the Crown owns most land, and we're free to wheel on that, no permission needed.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on October 30, 2015, 12:27:32 AM
Finally found legal 4x4 trails in my state!!!! Anyone who has been to Massachusetts will know how difficult this is, anything you find fun is likely illegal here :facepalm:. My nearest state forest is actually in the process of banning biking there.......
Man, that sucks big time!!!  Here, if it's not gated, or doesn't have No Trespassing signs, you're good to go.  We don't wheel on private land unless the owners are OK with it though.  Saying that though, the Crown owns most land, and we're free to wheel on that, no permission needed.

There might be about 5 places in the state where it is allowed and known about. People tend to not say where they wheel as well to save the spots from being packed. Just happened to see mention of a place in Petersen's 4Wheel that I just got today.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on October 30, 2015, 07:17:17 AM
It is not a big issue here, provided you respect people's property and effort, and do not drive through a wheat field, someone;s garden etc.

If there is no fence, then you are OK.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on November 03, 2015, 11:45:05 PM
Who loves poseur pics?!? Nobody that's who.....
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Higgins%27-shots/IMAG1812.jpg?m=1446589210)
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Higgins%27-shots/IMAG1810.jpg?m=1446589191)

Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on November 04, 2015, 12:53:30 PM
Hardcore!

Did you make it up that mountain on the first go?

 :D
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: derekmac on November 04, 2015, 09:50:05 PM
Hardcore!

Did you make it up that mountain on the first go?

 :D
Ouch!!!

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: NKlamerus on November 05, 2015, 12:26:32 AM
Put it in 4x4 today with major catastrophe

2 wires (speed sensor on the back of the transfer case) got sucked into my front driveshaft u joint.

Truck looked in 3rd until I could get some zip ties (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/04/bfa271b5a3fe224879d7cdb50fc819b3.jpg)

Also, my Nitecore EA41 got quite the ride today when I took off with it still sitting in the framerail.....
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Post by: NKlamerus on November 05, 2015, 12:26:57 AM
Moments before disaster (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/04/0072fb40e37763bda6197add2e327780.jpg)
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Post by: dks on May 06, 2016, 08:39:45 PM
The Japanese 4x4s

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rC3MhjqZB54
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Post by: dks on May 06, 2016, 08:40:36 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G-gobZwmFZ4
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Post by: dks on May 06, 2016, 08:41:55 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IN0Kzeg3zLY
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Post by: dks on May 06, 2016, 08:44:02 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dhpjADoxX-w
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: classicrock on May 07, 2016, 01:56:55 AM
I'm in. My 4x4 partner is a 2002 Daihatsu Taft (called Fourtrak or Rocky or Rugger in other countries). Powered by 2.8 N/A diesel, yeah a bit slow and lazy but reliable. Until now it clocks 245K kms.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160506/f09d6ad344fe528acfbbf4a1ef09d850.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160506/ac96cca9f7a32c3d82af1a576ce41d6e.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160506/7e54362c589bf9d456941f7826cfd4c2.jpg)

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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 07, 2016, 03:12:00 AM
Nice roof you have there!

They don't sell those here or I'd have seriously considers one of those.  I've heard great things about them.

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on May 07, 2016, 07:12:38 AM
They are not common here either. I think they were only available with an 1.6L petrol engine, whereas all the others had bigger diesels.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: classicrock on May 07, 2016, 11:08:08 AM
Nice roof you have there!

They don't sell those here or I'd have seriously considers one of those.  I've heard great things about them.

Def
Thanx Grant

Yes this 4x4 were already discontinued here since 2007. But they still alive because of the community. Daihatsu Taft also have a good reputation here because since 1985 they were used by forestry and mining company.

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Post by: classicrock on May 07, 2016, 11:11:01 AM
They are not common here either. I think they were only available with an 1.6L petrol engine, whereas all the others had bigger diesels.
The one with 1.6 petrol engine was the smaller brother called Sportrak or Feroza or Rocky. The type code is F300/F310. But Daihatsu don't sell them here.

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Post by: dks on May 11, 2016, 08:13:07 PM
 :rofl:
I am sure alcohol was consumed....
Tyres, weight played a factor, but, it is fun.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=WL&v=yvtydD4KjwE
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Post by: Whoey on May 11, 2016, 08:38:18 PM
speaking of non jeep 4x4s... the first 10 min or so of this one:  :facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOj_98ZZ17k
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Post by: dks on May 11, 2016, 08:47:17 PM
 :facepalm:
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Post by: dks on May 15, 2016, 08:21:02 PM
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Post by: dks on June 12, 2016, 03:38:40 PM
I got the tyres dirty today.

nothing worth photographing, but it was fun.

I only used 4Low for 5 minutes..
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Post by: derekmac on June 12, 2016, 05:23:44 PM
I got the tires dirty last night too.  And the sides, hood, roof, ect. :D  Did a night run with 23 rigs. :)
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Post by: dks on June 12, 2016, 05:24:55 PM
wrong thread  :P :P :P :P :P
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Post by: derekmac on June 12, 2016, 05:25:55 PM
wrong thread  :P :P :P :P :P
There were non-Jeeps there too! :P  Only two, but still. :D
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Post by: dks on June 12, 2016, 05:34:25 PM
OK then   :D :D

So, the backup vehicles, the safety vehicles, were not Jeeps.   :salute: :salute: :salute:
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Post by: derekmac on June 12, 2016, 05:37:52 PM
OK then   :D :D

So, the backup vehicles, the safety vehicles, were not Jeeps.   :salute: :salute: :salute:
:twak:

 :rofl:
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Post by: dks on July 03, 2016, 12:25:22 PM
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/toys/toys015/th_FHD0170_Segment_0_x264.mp4) (http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/toys/toys015/FHD0170_Segment_0_x264.mp4)

(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/toys/toys015/th_FHD0171_Segment_0_x264.mp4) (http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee484/jladks/toys/toys015/FHD0171_Segment_0_x264.mp4)
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Post by: kkokkolis on July 03, 2016, 05:31:41 PM
I ordered a Dacia Duster, but the 4x2 version (kinda crossover). It still has 21mm of clearance and mud & snow tyres, but no 4WD. Cheaper, faster, lower consumption and rare use of non paved roads influenced my decision. If it doesn't go, I can always take my left foot outside and help, making it a 4x3.
I've done that with a Fiat 127, I'm not kidding.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 03, 2016, 09:47:32 PM
The Dusters aren't officially imported to NA but I used to work in the transfer point for cars and other cargo going to St. Pierre and used to see a lot of Dusters.  They are a great looking vehicle and I'd love an opportunity to pick one up if they were available here.

I can't wait to see what you think of it once you have it.

Def
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 04, 2016, 01:24:09 PM
4x4 Duster with the 1.5dCi is the car I would buy if I could afford it and I was planning on a buying a new car every 4-5 years........

By all accounts the quality has dramatically increased since the factory was moved to Romania or somewhere....



Taking delivery of my Suzuki Gypsy in about 2 weeks.  Minor miracle it all came together.....
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Post by: classicrock on July 05, 2016, 01:19:18 PM
Again...this thread reminds me about few years ago when I still in the middle of Borneo forest. And the Daihatsu never let me down.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160705/6a725ffed9458d58f9cd91f331217c96.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160705/6635fac20561397557a96464bafa0c89.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160705/646e8924c96fb9aba32c6c58d380166a.jpg)

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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 05, 2016, 04:38:53 PM
Few years ago in conditions just as wet, but in a desert rather than a forest, my 1996 Toyota RAV was about the safest thing on that 90km of road, I passed 2 rolled pick-ups before I was halfway.

The dynamics of the (brilliant) "soft-roader" AWD system kept me on the road, and there was no need for the strengths of a proper 4x4.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on July 10, 2016, 06:05:04 PM
Well here's mine, it's modified (a lot) puts a smile on my face every time I drive it and when you really 'give it the berries' it does about 5 MPG

(http://www.linuxhippy.co.uk/images/dog1.jpg)

(http://www.linuxhippy.co.uk/images/dog2.jpg)

(http://www.linuxhippy.co.uk/images/dog3.jpg)

(http://www.linuxhippy.co.uk/images/dog4.jpg)

(http://www.linuxhippy.co.uk/images/dog5.jpg)



(http://www.linuxhippy.co.uk/images/dog6.jpg)

(http://www.linuxhippy.co.uk/images/dog7.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: derekmac on July 10, 2016, 07:36:54 PM
Smashie, I'm in love!!! :dd:  Is that a Warn 8274 on the front? :drool:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on July 10, 2016, 07:38:56 PM
Smashie, I'm in love!!! :dd:  Is that a Warn 8274 on the front? :drool:

Yes it is, although it's getting a bit tired and could do with rebuilding (a bit like me!)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on July 10, 2016, 08:28:07 PM
Is that the special edition model?

My usual offroader needs more power, locking rear diff, possibly a lift for looks, bigger tyres.. The problem is that every upgrade needs another one....
5mpg...  :facepalm:

V8?
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on July 10, 2016, 08:38:49 PM
Is that the special edition model?

My usual offroader needs more power, locking rear diff, possibly a lift for looks, bigger tyres.. The problem is that every upgrade needs another one....
5mpg...  :facepalm:

V8?

Not sure if the winch is a special edition or not, the landie isn't.

2006 TD5 - stage 3 tuned hence the 5mpg when driven 'spiritedly'  :ahhh (the VVC turbo makes a huge difference)
Old Man Emu suspension
Auto gearbox conversion
Uprated halfshafts and CV joints
ARB air lockers front and rear
Safety devices roll cage with a Hannibal roof rack
The warn winch as afore mentioned
Split charge system with a deep cycle leisure battery
More lights than Brighton at Christmas

The window tints and the dog guard (not seen in these photo's I've recently done. Oh there's a list as long as my smurfing arm for other bits I need to do!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on July 10, 2016, 08:45:03 PM
Cheap then ....
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on July 10, 2016, 08:46:23 PM
Cheap then ....

Err no :facepalm:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Weasel on July 11, 2016, 12:00:40 AM
Well here's mine, it's modified (a lot) puts a smile on my face every time I drive it and when you really 'give it the berries' it does about 5 MPG

(http://www.linuxhippy.co.uk/images/dog1.jpg)

(http://www.linuxhippy.co.uk/images/dog2.jpg)

(http://www.linuxhippy.co.uk/images/dog3.jpg)

(http://www.linuxhippy.co.uk/images/dog4.jpg)

(http://www.linuxhippy.co.uk/images/dog5.jpg)



(http://www.linuxhippy.co.uk/images/dog6.jpg)

(http://www.linuxhippy.co.uk/images/dog7.jpg)
Fantastic buddy
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 11, 2016, 12:05:04 AM
Sounds like you deserve to be an honorary member of the JEEP club...

Just
Empty
Every
Pocket

 :ahhh

Seriously though, that is a beautiful machine and I would not hesitate to swap my Jeep for one like that any day of the week!

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on July 11, 2016, 09:20:21 PM
I've seen Smashie's landy in the flesh and it really is the mutt's nuts.  8)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 12, 2016, 02:52:21 AM
I'll bet it looks better in person, no matter how nice it looks in photos!

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 12, 2016, 02:54:58 AM
On a side note, this seems like a potential result from the recent UK kerfuffle - Defenders were discontinued largely because they didn't meet EU emissions regulations.   Does this potentially mean we might see the Defender back now that the UK and EU have parted company?

I know it's a risk bringing up that issue, but let's keep the politics out of this and focus on the important issue- Land Rover!

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on July 12, 2016, 12:05:54 PM
On a side note, this seems like a potential result from the recent UK kerfuffle - Defenders were discontinued largely because they didn't meet EU emissions regulations.   Does this potentially mean we might see the Defender back now that the UK and EU have parted company?

I know it's a risk bringing up that issue, but let's keep the politics out of this and focus on the important issue- Land Rover!

Def

Perhaps.  Though this article suggests it wasn't just the emissions that was the problem: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/land-rover-defender-set-comeback-investment-chemicals-tycoon
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on July 12, 2016, 12:11:23 PM
BTW I do hope that deal for someone else to make the Defender works out, 'cos what Land Rover themselves has planned is gopping awful. :rant:  Can someone PLEASE tell them that there is more than one style of grill and bumper?  I think it was Cupboard at the meet-up made the point that if you have a modern Land Rover pulling up behind you there is almost no way to tell which model it is as they all look the same from the front.

(http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/land-rover-defender-final_0.jpg?itok=-0q-gIN2)

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-land-rover-defender-due-2019
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on July 12, 2016, 12:33:27 PM
As pointed out, emissions were never really the problem. LR/Jag/TATA have several suitable engines that are fine with emissions. Does anybody think none could be made to fit?
 
If it was selling, they would have continued to make it.   

Even the British army (and many other armies) moved away from the LR a few years ago.  It was also expensive and whereas many people said they liked the idea/history of it, very few would actually buy it .

I am expecting it to re-appear in a few years, like then MINI, new beetle, fiat 500.....   :D
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: NutSAK on July 12, 2016, 05:13:16 PM
Sorry, I don't have an off-road pic available here at work, but here is my "non-Jeep".


(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XUna3rsaYRI/Ue7WP_Se1AI/AAAAAAAABTg/7j2CB0zYxwEE1la89aSzcAXPYTLmGzMPgCCo/s800/2012-07-29%2B15.27.44-2.jpg)

(https://c8.staticflickr.com/3/2039/1954612783_b6b651f599_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 12, 2016, 06:42:47 PM
I never get tired of seeing that Bronco!

BTW I do hope that deal for someone else to make the Defender works out, 'cos what Land Rover themselves has planned is gopping awful. :rant:  Can someone PLEASE tell them that there is more than one style of grill and bumper?  I think it was Cupboard at the meet-up made the point that if you have a modern Land Rover pulling up behind you there is almost no way to tell which model it is as they all look the same from the front.

(http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/land-rover-defender-final_0.jpg?itok=-0q-gIN2)

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-land-rover-defender-due-2019

That's not a Defender.  They should name it more accurately- the new Land Rover Abomination.   :megaslap:

Honestly, I don't dislike it because it doesn't look like a Defender, I dislike it because it really isn't very good looking at all.

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on July 12, 2016, 06:48:15 PM
I never get tired of seeing that Bronco!

BTW I do hope that deal for someone else to make the Defender works out, 'cos what Land Rover themselves has planned is gopping awful. :rant:  Can someone PLEASE tell them that there is more than one style of grill and bumper?  I think it was Cupboard at the meet-up made the point that if you have a modern Land Rover pulling up behind you there is almost no way to tell which model it is as they all look the same from the front.

(http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/land-rover-defender-final_0.jpg?itok=-0q-gIN2)

http://www.autocar.co.uk/...d-rover-defender-due-2019 (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-land-rover-defender-due-2019)

That's not a Defender.  They should name it more accurately- the new Land Rover Abomination Surrender.   :megaslap:

Honestly, I don't dislike it because it doesn't look like a Defender, I dislike it because it really isn't very good looking at all.

Def

Fixed it for you
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 12, 2016, 06:51:57 PM
Land Rover- where we stick a little bit of Posh Spice in everything we do....

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: derekmac on July 12, 2016, 07:31:52 PM
Here's a Bronco that was parked at 4 Wheel Parts as we were headed to Quebec. (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160712/28cbdfe1b5baa7fd4eb13ad481d551db.jpg)


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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on July 12, 2016, 07:40:05 PM
Land Rover- where we stick a little bit of Posh Spice in everything we do....

Def

Don't say that  :twak:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: ToolJoe on July 12, 2016, 08:17:47 PM
Those older short wheel base Broncos sure are purdy  :tu:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 12, 2016, 11:04:09 PM
Land Rover- where we stick a little bit of Posh Spice in everything we do....

Def

Don't say that  :twak:

That awful machine above masquerading as the new Defender looks like the Walking Dead Edition of the Evoque.  It looks like it would stand around and try to look pretty and argue with other trucks while zombies close in from every direction.

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on July 13, 2016, 10:37:21 AM
I don't do any serious off-roading, but the 4x4 on my Renault Koleos is more than up for the challenge of the wet fields and muddy tracks my hobbies occasionally take me down.  Also bought with snowy roads in mind.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33315.0;attach=263554;image)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on July 13, 2016, 06:19:01 PM
I don't do any serious off-roading, but the 4x4 on my Renault Koleos is more than up for the challenge of the wet fields and muddy tracks my hobbies occasionally take me down.  Also bought with snowy roads in mind.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33315.0;attach=263554;image)

It seemed like a reasonable choice to me, I mean I drive a Ford Focus when I'm working :salute:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on July 13, 2016, 06:47:45 PM
I don't do any serious off-roading, but the 4x4 on my Renault Koleos is more than up for the challenge of the wet fields and muddy tracks my hobbies occasionally take me down.  Also bought with snowy roads in mind.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33315.0;attach=263554;image)

It seemed like a reasonable choice to me, I mean I drive a Ford Focus when I'm working :salute:

I can also attest to the fact that it's nice and easy to drive for 8-9 hours.  I've driven and owned other cars that are much more tiring to drive for a long time.  The only complaint is that either the Koleos or I need a bit more padding in the seat. :-\
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 09, 2016, 03:43:32 PM
Well, since there's no firewall between the load box and the cab it was registered as a Suzuki Jeep.......

I'm now the proud owner of a Suzuki Gypsy.........soft top version.

Mighty 1300 engine that revs........not very high at all.
No power steering.....
No air conditioning.....
No air bags..........
Cross-ply tyres  :facepalm: that last a very long time  :tu:

Between work, buying a car, life........and getting ready for a 90km hike I haven't been touching ground recently...........my excuse for the lack of pics.....they will follow.

Projects in the works for the Gypsy:
1. Hidden switch to disable ignition
2. Headlight warning buzzer.
3. Some form of MP3/media player
4. Buy a welder, learn to weld, build a steel frame canopy clad in aluminium checker plate.
5. 50mm body lift using Teflon bushes.
6. Slight suspension lift by fitting longer shackles on the leaf springs.

I went offroad a bit on Sunday, by the time I realised it was getting a bit nasty I didn't want to stop to engage 4x4, so I just put some foot and it went up the hill in 2x4 no worries...... 8)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on August 09, 2016, 04:23:13 PM
Well, since there's no firewall between the load box and the cab it was registered as a Suzuki Jeep.......

I'm now the proud owner of a Suzuki Gypsy.........soft top version.

Mighty 1300 engine that revs........not very high at all.
No power steering.....
No air conditioning.....
No air bags..........
Cross-ply tyres  :facepalm: that last a very long time  :tu:

Between work, buying a car, life........and getting ready for a 90km hike I haven't been touching ground recently...........my excuse for the lack of pics.....they will follow.

Projects in the works for the Gypsy:
1. Hidden switch to disable ignition
2. Headlight warning buzzer.
3. Some form of MP3/media player
4. Buy a welder, learn to weld, build a steel frame canopy clad in aluminium checker plate.
5. 50mm body lift using Teflon bushes.
6. Slight suspension lift by fitting longer shackles on the leaf springs.

I went offroad a bit on Sunday, by the time I realised it was getting a bit nasty I didn't want to stop to engage 4x4, so I just put some foot and it went up the hill in 2x4 no worries...... 8)

It was called the SJ413 here, actually a very competent little 4x4  :tu:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on August 09, 2016, 11:32:25 PM
Sounds like a nice little rig.

I hear that car theft is a huge issue in SA- is that true, is it as widespread as the propaganda here says, or is it just limited to a few "bad" neighborhoods in Johannesburg?

And is that the reason for the hidden switch to disable the ignition?   >:D

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 10, 2016, 08:54:01 AM
Sounds like a nice little rig.

I hear that car theft is a huge issue in SA- is that true, is it as widespread as the propaganda here says, or is it just limited to a few "bad" neighborhoods in Johannesburg?

And is that the reason for the hidden switch to disable the ignition?   >:D

Def

South Africa is much worse than here in Namibia......as far as car theft and just about everything else is concerned  :rofl:

Not that Namibia is perfect, when I'm not feeling generous I say Namibia is a nation of thieves, while SA is a nation of murderers.

In truth the problems are the same everywhere, just the scale differs....

They can get access to the car using a zip (or a knife obviously) and there's no alarm or immobilizer, so in theory as easy to steal as it gets.....


It was called the SJ413 here, actually a very competent little 4x4  :tu:

This is a long wheelbase version with the 1300 motor from the Jimny sans the VVT...........extremely competent and fun as nothing else :D
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on August 10, 2016, 09:35:36 AM
Given the fantastic reputation off road the Jimny has here I can't understand why we can't buy the longer version. :think:  I think the only thing that I'd be after if I was in your part of the world Gerhard is some air-con!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 10, 2016, 11:16:49 AM
Hi Gareth

They get imported via South Africa, and South Africa is not even allowed to sell them due to not meeting some safety requirements.

I'm sure I'll miss the AC at some stage, power steering would also help a lot......

Problem is that's just stuff that will break and add cost........the Jimny is almost twice the price.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Sea Monster on August 10, 2016, 12:39:29 PM
Quote
Buy a welder, learn to weld, build a steel frame canopy clad in aluminium checker plate.


Steel is heavy - If you're welding anyway, you may as well do the canopy in alloy. (There's pros and cons there, but anyway)


You can also achieve a good result with a saw and some bolts, if ownership and skill with a welder is holding you back.


As for the rest of your projects- easy enough all.

I don't know what your background is, but if you're putting lifts in because magazines and the internet told you - probably don't bother. They're probably the most overrated mod, and (YMMV) the least useful unless you really have your heart set on fitting larger tyres and need the space.







Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: zoidberg on August 10, 2016, 12:57:45 PM
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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: shark_za on August 10, 2016, 02:04:36 PM
My first car I bought with my own money was a used SJ410 hardtop in 1991.
Loved that little thing till I stupidly sold it to chase some other angle.

I have returned to Suzuki and went through an SX4, Jimny and now drive a raised Grand Vitara.
Everyone laughs at my car till I shut them up on the trails. Low range and auto box makes it like cheating.
I go anywhere my mates do; with H/T tyres at 2.4bar ;o)

Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 10, 2016, 03:36:05 PM
Quote
Buy a welder, learn to weld, build a steel frame canopy clad in aluminium checker plate.


Steel is heavy - If you're welding anyway, you may as well do the canopy in alloy. (There's pros and cons there, but anyway)


You can also achieve a good result with a saw and some bolts, if ownership and skill with a welder is holding you back.


As for the rest of your projects- easy enough all.

I don't know what your background is, but if you're putting lifts in because magazines and the internet told you - probably don't bother. They're probably the most overrated mod, and (YMMV) the least useful unless you really have your heart set on fitting larger tyres and need the space.

Hi Sea Monster

By alloy do you mean aluminium? 
My buddy can weld aluminium, but he has a business, I can't afford him and I won't abuse the friendship.....too much  :rofl: He would be the one teaching me to weld and probably helping out on a few other points.

Second motivation is I need a welder (and some skills) for my knife making.

Also, all the examples around town were built that way, no negative feedback.

I'm considering stainless steel so I can skip the sandblasting and painting process.  Same as in the case of Aluminium the right material might be an issue.

Any examples of a bolt together setup would be very welcome!

Regarding the body lift I really appreciate your input, seems you have experience?
My first question on the body lift was "why, how does it help?"  Did some gooooogling today and came to the conclusion the body lift is purely when you fit bigger wheels, which I don't intend to do.....

I definitely plan on fitting longer shackles to lift the suspension slightly, the aforementioned friend can help with that and the advantage seems obvious,
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 10, 2016, 03:42:27 PM
My first car I bought with my own money was a used SJ410 hardtop in 1991.
Loved that little thing till I stupidly sold it to chase some other angle.

I have returned to Suzuki and went through an SX4, Jimny and now drive a raised Grand Vitara.
Everyone laughs at my car till I shut them up on the trails. Low range and auto box makes it like cheating.
I go anywhere my mates do; with H/T tyres at 2.4bar ;o)

I recently recalled how many years a Samurai with a Nissan 1400 conversion was my dream toy car.
The last time I had the chance to buy one was in 2001 when my then boss moved to the Seychelles, probably the only decent thing the smurf ever did was convincing me not to buy it........he retrenched the lot of us and closed down shortly after that....

I plan on keeping the Gypsy till they plant me between the tall trees  :D
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on August 10, 2016, 07:22:47 PM
Here's some info for the non--jeepers out there. 8)


Quote
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Suzuki_Samurai_near_the_summit_of_Ojos_del_Salado.jpg)
"On April 21, 2007, the Chilean duo of Gonzalo Bravo and Eduardo Canales drove their modified Suzuki Samurai (SJ413) up Ojos del Salado, past the previous record set by a Jeep at 6,646 meters (21,804 ft), setting a new record for the highest altitude attained by a four-wheeled vehicle at 6,688 meters (21,942 ft).

The Samurai in question benefitted from wheel, tire, and suspension changes, and a supercharged G16A 4-cylinder underhood. It was the third attempt for the two man team, after encountering weather difficulties on the first attempt and an engine fire in the second. The previous record holder's team led by Matthias Jeschke driving a Jeep Wrangler, left a sign reading "Jeep Parking Only: All others don't make it up here anyway". The Chilean team found the sign, blown down by strong winds, and brought it back to civilization as a souvenir.

This record was duly certified by the Guinness World Record in July 2007."
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 11, 2016, 09:54:06 AM
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
 :tu:
 :rofl:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Sea Monster on August 11, 2016, 02:17:52 PM
GG -


I'm not sure what your local body-mod engineering rules are, or whether your canopy is purely for protection from the elements/somewhere to put stuff, or if it has to have rollover protection type features/certification.


As for making it higher - Your lowest point is still probably going to be somewhere on the diff - unless your gearbox/transfer case/some other random part hangs below the diff currently, putting it higher won't make much difference, and depending on how much "give" you have in the drive shafts, you might cause more problems than you expect.

I'm not trying to talk you out of it, just considerations to remember when you're looking to change them.

I would recommend "heavy duty" ones if you do go ahead with it, with grease points (my stuff always seems to get water in it?  ??? ??? )
Also have a look at your springs - they're pretty average (on Aus delivered Zooks anyway) you could look at upgrading them with HD springs, I've forgotten what age you said it was, but replacing the shock absorbers is generally a pretty safe bet as well.

It's reasonably easy to do it all if you have tools and a vehicle hoist, and new suspension all around can change it from a shopping trolley to something approaching a drivers car :)

(I just looked back through the thread - is this a new car? Then don't worry about changing the springs and shocks - wait until they start to die, a penny saved is a penny earned they tell me)

Use your new savings for some bash plates, cheaper than replacing half of your undercarriage when you inevitably hit a stump, and keeps all the rocks and nasties from flying up into places they should not be.


Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Sea Monster on August 11, 2016, 02:50:01 PM
Here's a professional drawing of possible "mechano" bolt together set up. (It looks better in reality than my MS Paint schematic suggests)

and some examples of what I mean by clamps or brackets

Once you've got the Semi-removable (or semi-permanent, depending on how you look at it) frame in - you can either rivet or bolt the alloy sheet to it, or even use glass clamps to hold it between all the frame pieces (this option is not weather proof, as there will be a space between the sheet and frame - you could line the inside with canvas or somesuch to keep the dust out)


(If this is a safety structure, don't do any of this)


Also, if I've completely misinterpreted what you want to build, then don't mind me  :-\



In any case, the material you use could change the type of welder you need to buy, the kind of welding you need to learn, and how much the material will cost.


It might end up being cheaper to pay your buddy (but you'll miss out on the experience of doing it yourself :P )

Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 11, 2016, 03:02:36 PM
Let's see if this works:

(http://up.picr.de/19823298ri.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 11, 2016, 03:06:07 PM
Yes it does  :D

This is what I have in mind, at least as far as the canopy is concerned.

It doesn't need to provide roll-over protection, I'm not likely to fit a rooftop tent, but a roof carrier is probable.......after I save a bit.

The car is brand new, and "they" are right about the saved pennies  :D

Some emergency braking yesterday made it clear the cross ply tyres might need to go soon.....  :oops:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Sea Monster on August 11, 2016, 05:16:38 PM
can't quite tell from the pic - is that a single piece "shroud" of chequerplate?.

For (most) intents and purposes, that would be all you need - having a steel frame inside it would only really be necessary if you're having the roofracks/excessive weight bearing down.

Personally, I would probably weld aluminium reinforcing "ribs" along the inside of the chequerplate breadbox from where the mount points are for the roof carrier to where the mount points are onto the ute "tub" and not have a steel frame at all (There's nothing wrong with having a, with the box just being a "shell" with no stress on it, it's probably just a matter of preference)

I'm assuming there's just a lip along the front of the ally box with pinch-moulded seal (or something similar) between it and the cab? 


Looks to be a good project at any rate, and once you've got a welder, you'll find a lot of things that need welding  ::)



I don't know what extras you've already got, but guards (plastics) for the lights, bonnet, and sides of the vehicle are a good investment - if namibia is anything like Aus - the gravel rash will age your car very prematurely.

(sorry if I'm telling the sun how to shine, but I've seen a lot of people locally buy cars, specifically fourbies, and spend a lot of money on silly mods, when a little bit of money on the right mods would have got them further)


Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: AndyTiedye on August 11, 2016, 08:00:42 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160811/1a62b42124afb67d1c890bbf8eafcd31.jpg)

Escape Hybrid here.  28-30 mpg and plenty of power.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 11, 2016, 09:14:14 PM
Some quick pics....

Only mods so far:
-seat covers
-bag under the seat with tow rope, jumper leads, survival Mora 511and folding saw, space blanket, triangles and few other bits.
-plastic/rubber tiles in loadbox.....fitted tonight because we're going fishing and camping this weekend........and it take a 4x4 route to get to the dam  :D

(http://i67.tinypic.com/jzb68j.jpg)

(http://i66.tinypic.com/24fckkx.jpg)

(http://i64.tinypic.com/14v1j79.jpg)

(http://i63.tinypic.com/e0pipw.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on August 11, 2016, 10:25:29 PM
Fantastic old-school style 4x4 mate.  I'm jealous. :salute:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on August 11, 2016, 11:13:05 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160811/1a62b42124afb67d1c890bbf8eafcd31.jpg)

Escape Hybrid here.  28-30 mpg and plenty of power.

Holy crap!  Andy!

Great to see you man!  I was just wondering how you were the other day!

Welcome back!

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Sea Monster on August 12, 2016, 05:52:23 AM
Bench seats, no side mirrors.

Yep, that wouldn't get far in these parts.


Is it full bikini? (Ie - no hard roof?)

I like the removable/ hose off mats you've got :)

I can't see if it already has one, but an easy mod could be a storage console between the seats.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 12, 2016, 09:04:14 AM
I ordered a passenger side mirror because I really can't live without it, actually just got an email that it arrived.

Also, no seat belts on those bench seat so you can't really use them legally here, I plan on taking them out soon.

The plan is to rubberize the inside front to back, and the mats go back on top of that to protect and even out the load box.

Storage space and oddment stowage space is completely lacking.......fortunately not my first rodeo  :D

About the canopies, all the local ones have mild steel frames clad in aluminum checker plate

Full bikini yes  :rofl:

When I get  to 80kmph I feel like Jason Bourne in a getaway scene  :rofl: .......just with a flapping roof, and my imaginary girlfriend is safe from sniper bullets  :rofl:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 17, 2016, 08:36:39 PM
Sunday afternoon sundowner in the bundus west of town.........this is a true mountain goat, even stock standard  8)


(http://i66.tinypic.com/5kfs48.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on August 17, 2016, 08:44:17 PM
Epic GG  :tu:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 17, 2016, 08:59:23 PM
This is where we woke up Sunday morning......had to engage 4L to get here.......with less drama than a VW Amarok managed  :rofl:

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2v2i0lz.jpg)

(http://i65.tinypic.com/s42wr4.jpg)

Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 17, 2016, 09:03:20 PM
The 4th bottle of red  :facepalm:

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2iiy7g4.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on August 17, 2016, 09:13:33 PM
I think I might have to add Namibia to my list of places I want to live....  that is just gorgeous.

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 17, 2016, 10:54:41 PM
That's nothing, we're on a farm right at the edge of town, as the crow flies 20km from the center of the city and less than 50km from the international airport.

Anybody able should abuse the exchange rate and come here for a self-drive tour......no better place.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on August 17, 2016, 11:31:35 PM
That's it, I'm sold on the Namibia MT meet-up idea. :salute:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on August 17, 2016, 11:43:42 PM
That's it, I'm sold on the Namibia MT meet-up idea. :salute:

Me too  :tu:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 17, 2016, 11:52:02 PM
You're local guide is sorted  :salute:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Sea Monster on August 18, 2016, 03:46:16 AM
Quote
Anybody able should abuse the exchange rate and come here for a self-drive tour......no better place.


That's an interesting idea. I wonder if, (even allowing for flights etc) I can have a longer "walkabout" on my sack of dollarydoos in Africa than I can in Australia?


Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 18, 2016, 08:54:40 AM
Just had a quick look:

1 US$ gives you 1.3 AUS$
1 US$ gives you 13.42 NAM$

So if the logic holds you can walkabout 10 times as long  :whistle:

I think after 3 months they throw you out  :rofl:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on August 23, 2016, 08:48:34 AM
apparently the Mercedes G-Wagen can roll over at 15mph...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/nick-grimshaw-flips-80000-mercedes-8685436
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on August 23, 2016, 01:43:23 PM
apparently the Mercedes G-Wagen can roll over at 15mph...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/nick-grimshaw-flips-80000-mercedes-8685436

Yes, that seems very legitimate....  :facepalm:

On a side note, does anyone else remember when journalists actually had to go outside and talk to people to get stories and didn't just screenshot tweets and call it a story?

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on August 23, 2016, 05:08:16 PM
I think I'm in love!

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/videos/a30503/the-rhino-gx-is-basically-the-canyonero-from-the-simpsons/

Canyoneroooooooo!

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: DaveK on August 23, 2016, 05:38:37 PM
I think I'm in love!

http://www.roadandtrack.c...yonero-from-the-simpsons/ (http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/videos/a30503/the-rhino-gx-is-basically-the-canyonero-from-the-simpsons/)

Canyoneroooooooo!

Def

Paint it beige and that'd look like one of those APCs the British were using in Afghanistan :D

For my part - I eventually had to part with my Freelander, veteran of many MT.O UK meets, about 18 months ago. It was starting to cost too much to keep it going, so we drove it into a local Landrover dealer to look at the Freelander 2.

Thing was, I really liked the size of the Freelander - it was perfect, but I did fancy a slightly more luxurious interior and thought a Freelander 2, with a better spec would be perfect. Unfortunately, they'd stopped making them, in favour of the Landrover Discovery Sport which wasn't yet available.

I suppose the correct thing to have done would have been to wait 6 months for the Discovery Sport. So I accidentally bought this :D

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e10/DaveK-ToolPics/4AF66D1A-16B7-4D53-915A-66B131A4915B_zpsdan1g0xt.jpg) (http://s36.photobucket.com/user/DaveK-ToolPics/media/4AF66D1A-16B7-4D53-915A-66B131A4915B_zpsdan1g0xt.jpg.html)

Now, whenever I see the monthly repayment go from my bank account I do cry a little its true, but when I'm driving it it doesn't really matter. We don't do "serious" off-roading (obviously), but this is every bit as able as the Freelander to take short-cuts through fields, drive over smart cars, park where most can't etc.

I know its a Chelsea Tractor and I'm not a footballer's wife - but its my favourite car I've owned  :tu:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on August 23, 2016, 06:18:34 PM
Posh Spice did a lovely job of designing that one- I especially like what she did with the terrain specific traction control system!  :D

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: DaveK on August 23, 2016, 06:23:23 PM
Posh Spice did a lovely job of designing that one- I especially like what she did with the terrain specific traction control system!  :D

Def

Yes, I admit I didn't realise she had that in her too :P
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on August 24, 2016, 07:55:19 AM
I nearly ordered a discovery sport a few months ago, but, even though I liked its specifications, after test driving it and talking to some who had testdriven one (not the same) I just felt that it was a bit cramped and, mainly, the build quality was still not that great.

Rattling from various places and a start stop system that made the car shake like hell every time the engine started. Plus my mistrust in LR electronics and the fear of expensive future repairs.  Doing a search online, for rattling, did not help, though the rattling which I heard, and which was reported to me, was from a different area of the car (not the pillars).

The excuse for the rattling , that I was given at the dealers for the one that I drove, was that their engineers kept taking it apart to learn. However, others said the same, for different cars, so maybe they just take all their cars apart...  :o

It is competitively priced, if you do not go crazy with the options, but i got the feeling that because of that they sell many and just rush to finish them letting the QA/QC slip.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: DaveK on August 24, 2016, 09:22:37 AM
Interesting dks!

I never did actually see / test drive one but maybe I dodged a bullet there!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on August 24, 2016, 10:47:51 AM
My cousin and her husband have just traded their Freelander 2 for a Disco Sport, so far they seem very happy with it. although her husband, Andy, wants a Defender like mine  :rofl:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: DaveK on August 24, 2016, 10:55:36 AM
I've always wanted a Defender but it's about as far from practical as a car could be for me - the Evoque is pretty much ideal - jack of all trades so to speak.

However I was a bit amused when I took the Evoque in for its service last christmas. They apologised profusely when they showed me the only "courtesy car" they had left:

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e10/DaveK-ToolPics/IMG_0348_zpsdriidvb4.jpg) (http://s36.photobucket.com/user/DaveK-ToolPics/media/IMG_0348_zpsdriidvb4.jpg.html)

I was supposed to be taking the daughter into Derby to do some Christmas shopping but this thing wouldn't fit in the multi storey car park!! We had to park it out of the centre and walk in the freezing rain to the shops lol. We had a bit of a play in the fields before we took it back too. Put it this way - it wasn't as clean as it was in the picture  >:D
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on August 24, 2016, 12:08:13 PM
I like the idea and the looks of the original LR, later defender, and especially the look of the series 2A -3 long versions (they remind me of safari cars). I do not like the fact that I barely fit in them. Before you buy one, drive it for a few hours.

I remember the body flexing and the doors opening on their own, if you leaned on them. You had to be careful when cornering.
Most of the older ones that i see have had their engines replaced with newer engines, usually from other brands, but the overall body/structure seems to last well.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: kkokkolis on August 24, 2016, 12:41:10 PM
I was in love with this car as a child.


(http://pics.imcdb.org/0is184/seriesi1954567gx.8081.jpg)


Apart from the Gods must be crazy movie, I was watching a lot of BBC and NG documentaries.


(http://voices.nationalgeographic.com/files/2012/03/vtk12-027a-950x633.jpg)


Reality surpasses imagination often


(http://www.catersnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/3_CATERS_CHEETAH_RIDE_11-800x498.jpg)


There were those ads then, too


(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2935/14183160495_551f2fcbdb_b.jpg)


(http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/0/6/7/5/1/2/webimg/837709174_o.jpg)


(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z294/hadbetterwork/Ads7/A0053616.jpg)


Even LR still remembers them


(https://files2.coloribus.com/files/adsarchive/part_226/2268955/file/freelander-camel-small-70293.jpg)


They match for some reason


(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/fd/ed/4e/fded4e584fd8b470d044080637b2ee8c.jpg)


In my teens, there was the Trophy


(http://petrolicious.imgix.net/2016/dailyfix/02-feb/camel-trophy/landrover-camel-10.jpg?w=1000&q=50)






They still play the Media Game well


(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/n8rvkqtxntU/maxresdefault.jpg)


There were a few around back then in late '70s and the '80s, but the most abundant was always this one.


(http://www.gcdata.gr/c3/tb_688x500_22443_0a580ef6b83ab80bbb64fcbc92426506.jpg?v=1)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: pietervn on August 24, 2016, 12:50:22 PM
Love the old Zuuks, had a SJ413 and was possibly the best 4x4 I ever had. Had to sell it when we came to Oz.

BUT, I have a newer Zuuk, sadly with limited clearance  ;)

Pete
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: classicrock on August 24, 2016, 01:03:44 PM
Sunday afternoon sundowner in the bundus west of town.........this is a true mountain goat, even stock standard  8)


(http://i66.tinypic.com/5kfs48.jpg)
Nice little Jimny Gerhard the newer one in your photos are going to release here soon. But I think the price is too high (around US$30,000).

Btw I just replaced my Daihatsu rear lower arm bushing. The OEM I installed only last 10 days! So I made a custom PU bushing at a nearby workshop.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160824/d7c280a75f5e57224a6ce1709fc27338.jpg)

Sent from my SM-J500G using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: pietervn on August 24, 2016, 01:09:09 PM
Some quick pics....

Only mods so far:
-seat covers
-bag under the seat with tow rope, jumper leads, survival Mora 511and folding saw, space blanket, triangles and few other bits.
-plastic/rubber tiles in loadbox.....fitted tonight because we're going fishing and camping this weekend........and it take a 4x4 route to get to the dam  :D


Hi Gerhard,

That is one very tidy Zuuk. It looks like the LWB version, if so, they are pretty rare.

When I had mine I tried all sorts of things to save space and store things. I got a canvas guy to make me a bag that I could bolt onto the inside of the tailgate. In there I had some recovery gear, bottle jack and some tools. It was very handy. I include a few pics for you.

And Yes Boss, Namibia is a very special place. It is by far my most favourite country in Southern Africa. We spent three weeks there on our honeymoon. Absolutely a magical place!!!

Cheers,

Pete

Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: pietervn on August 24, 2016, 01:15:49 PM
Found some old pics of my SJ413, taken in the Richtersveld on the border between South Africa and Namibia.

Custom Canopy that had an extra spare fitted on the left and two Jerry cans on the right.

Pete
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on August 24, 2016, 01:24:10 PM
I'll admit, I do want a series 3 as well but I also want one of these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAZ-469 the UAZ-469
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: DaveK on August 24, 2016, 01:27:52 PM
The above talk of Jimnys reminded me of a holiday we took, I think in '03 on the Greek island of Thasos.

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e10/DaveK-ToolPics/Thassos%20Aug%202003%20052_zpsy5xokcly.jpg) (http://s36.photobucket.com/user/DaveK-ToolPics/media/Thassos%20Aug%202003%20052_zpsy5xokcly.jpg.html)

I scared the absolute living smurf out of SWMBO on some of the mountain tracks :D

My son loved it though! (And to give you some idea of how long ago this was, he turns 22 in a couple of months' time gulp).

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e10/DaveK-ToolPics/Thassos%20Aug%202003%20055_zpsnwpuhlmz.jpg) (http://s36.photobucket.com/user/DaveK-ToolPics/media/Thassos%20Aug%202003%20055_zpsnwpuhlmz.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: pietervn on August 24, 2016, 01:30:30 PM

My son loved it though! (And to give you some idea of how long ago this was, he turns 22 in a couple of months' time gulp).


One very happy Customer!!!

The soft tops were / are my favourites
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: DaveK on August 24, 2016, 02:17:28 PM

My son loved it though! (And to give you some idea of how long ago this was, he turns 22 in a couple of months' time gulp).


One very happy Customer!!!

The soft tops were / are my favourites

I do recall we had a lot of fun - mostly laughing at the girls and shouting "let's off-road" :D

Explanation: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3gl3s6

Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: kkokkolis on August 24, 2016, 03:07:03 PM
We hitch hiked one of these Suzukis (rented from a Greek couple, living in Sweden) just a month ago in Kimolos island, because we left our car in Melos. Very cramped inside, hot, slow and noisy, but it did a wonderful job in that harsh enviroment.


You can tell this is not a Jeep ofcourse.


(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160730/d05fec21bd565166a07b3ae12b311765.jpg)


But can you tell it's not a 4x4?
A decision I hope I won't regret. My wife said she is going to change her Ignis for a 4WD and only.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on August 24, 2016, 05:33:17 PM
I think I'm in love!

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/videos/a30503/the-rhino-gx-is-basically-the-canyonero-from-the-simpsons/

Canyoneroooooooo!

Def

Nice, but I'd rather have a Foxhound. 8)

(http://caranddriverbrasil.uol.com.br/upload/imagens_upload/foxhound.jpg)

http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/23437.aspx
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on August 24, 2016, 06:02:02 PM
I wouldn't argue with one of those either.

I saw a couple of really nice trucks while visiting my family last month.

(http://multitool.org/cache/klixok2watermark/b7f4fd416d6168923e850e290ebce282.jpg)

(http://multitool.org/cache/klixok2watermark/73e0709f6d1031165ca39f17710352e4.jpg)

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: pietervn on August 25, 2016, 12:56:04 AM

Nice, but I'd rather have a Foxhound. 8)


Fully kitted off course!!!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on August 25, 2016, 02:49:40 AM

Nice, but I'd rather have a Foxhound. 8)


Fully kitted off course!!!

Of course. ;)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Sea Monster on August 25, 2016, 06:07:29 AM
Quote
Nice, but I'd rather have a Foxhound.

until you have to buy spares..... 8)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on August 25, 2016, 01:59:53 PM
I took big dog for a bit of clean this morning and for once was not the biggest dog there. I've never been a fan of H2 Hummers but this one with an LS3 in it was pretty cool

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160825/10663975e00f90c92f437eef209cc1e4.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on August 25, 2016, 10:08:59 PM
I took big dog for a bit of clean this morning and for once was not the biggest dog there. I've never been a fan of H2 Hummers but this one with an LS3 in it was pretty cool

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160825/10663975e00f90c92f437eef209cc1e4.jpg)

I almost bought one of those a couple of years ago....  :ahhh

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on August 25, 2016, 10:11:46 PM
The La3 sounded awesome, going to see them in a couple of weeks for the LSX Defender :)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: DaveK on August 26, 2016, 12:31:43 AM
I saw once (might have been on Top Gear maybe) that the Hummer is only 6 inches narrower than a London bus.

Given that in some some of the lanes I drove down in Devon last week the hedgerows were scraping both sides of my Evoque simultaneously, I don't think a Hummer is ideally suited to British roads :D

On the plus side, you could drive over stuff I suppose.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on August 26, 2016, 06:50:37 AM
4x4s are partly toys, toy cars for adults, and the Hummer is the biggest, meanest looking toy around. Instant playground cred.

They are pretty huge, for Europe.  The evoque is also surprisingly wide.

Here is a site I found that enables you to compare the size of various cars :  http://www.automobiledimension.com/car-comparison.php

Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: kkokkolis on August 26, 2016, 08:04:43 AM
That's a very nice link, thank you. A lot of play potential.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: DaveK on August 26, 2016, 08:53:42 AM
Here is a site I found that enables you to compare the size of various cars :  http://www.automobiledime...on.com/car-comparison.php (http://www.automobiledimension.com/car-comparison.php)

This is cool :D
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on August 26, 2016, 09:23:06 AM
the only issue is that it does not have the Hummer....

But it is helpful if you want to compare, or see if your new car will fit in your garage
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: DaveK on August 26, 2016, 09:53:15 AM
I turned my garage into an office / studio so that's a moot point here :D
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: kkokkolis on August 26, 2016, 11:54:24 AM
If I woud ever need something big, I would get a Unimog instead of that ugly Hammer. No-nonsense, go-everywhere, do-it-all. I hate Mercedes luxury cars but I love their trucks.


(http://wpmedia.driving.ca/2014/12/img_3617.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=800&h=520&crop=1)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on August 26, 2016, 12:10:11 PM
If I woud ever need something big, I would get a Unimog instead of that ugly Hammer. No-nonsense, go-everywhere, do-it-all. I hate Mercedes luxury cars but I love their trucks.


(http://wpmedia.driving.ca/2014/12/img_3617.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=800&h=520&crop=1)

OK, that'd do nicely as well. 8)

(http://www.mercedes-benz.co.uk/content/media_library/unitedkingdom/mpc_unitedkingdom/unimog_new/models/u4023-u5023/overview_1000x295.object-Single-MEDIA.tmp/TRU53_OverView-1000x295.jpg)
http://www.mercedes-benz.co.uk/content/unitedkingdom/mpc/mpc_unitedkingdom_website/en/home_mpc/Unimog/home/unimog_overview/models/u4023-u5023/u4023-u5023/overview.html
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on August 26, 2016, 12:58:33 PM
If I woud ever need something big, I would get a Unimog instead of that ugly Hammer. No-nonsense, go-everywhere, do-it-all. I hate Mercedes luxury cars but I love their trucks.


(http://wpmedia.driving.ca/2014/12/img_3617.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=800&h=520&crop=1)

OK, that'd do nicely as well. 8)

(http://www.mercedes-benz.co.uk/content/media_library/unitedkingdom/mpc_unitedkingdom/unimog_new/models/u4023-u5023/overview_1000x295.object-Single-MEDIA.tmp/TRU53_OverView-1000x295.jpg)
http://www.mercedes-benz....u4023-u5023/overview.html (http://www.mercedes-benz.co.uk/content/unitedkingdom/mpc/mpc_unitedkingdom_website/en/home_mpc/Unimog/home/unimog_overview/models/u4023-u5023/u4023-u5023/overview.html)

I'd love a 'mog, but there is no way I could fit one in my driveway  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on August 26, 2016, 01:29:09 PM
If I woud ever need something big, I would get a Unimog instead of that ugly Hammer. No-nonsense, go-everywhere, do-it-all. I hate Mercedes luxury cars but I love their trucks.


(http://wpmedia.driving.ca/2014/12/img_3617.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=800&h=520&crop=1)

OK, that'd do nicely as well. 8)

(http://www.mercedes-benz.co.uk/content/media_library/unitedkingdom/mpc_unitedkingdom/unimog_new/models/u4023-u5023/overview_1000x295.object-Single-MEDIA.tmp/TRU53_OverView-1000x295.jpg)
http://www.mercedes-benz....u4023-u5023/overview.html (http://www.mercedes-benz.co.uk/content/unitedkingdom/mpc/mpc_unitedkingdom_website/en/home_mpc/Unimog/home/unimog_overview/models/u4023-u5023/u4023-u5023/overview.html)

I'd love a 'mog, but there is no way I could fit one in my driveway  :facepalm:

The good news is that you wouldn't actually need a driveway. :D
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on August 26, 2016, 01:30:46 PM
Well technically you are correct, although the neighbors may disagree with you lol
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: DaveK on August 26, 2016, 06:49:53 PM
Marvellous.  >:(

SWMBO called, she had a puncture. We don't have a spare wheel it seems, just one of those foam kits which I've never used before. 4:30pm on a Friday before a Bank Holiday weekend grrrr.

I managed to figure it out and get it to the local Kwik-Fit where it will spend the night before replacing the tyre in the morning.

I suppose I need to figure out what I do with this now too:

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e10/DaveK-ToolPics/IMG_0817_zpsv9fbgmzj.jpg) (http://s36.photobucket.com/user/DaveK-ToolPics/media/IMG_0817_zpsv9fbgmzj.jpg.html)

I can't figure out how to detach the bottle and hose from the compressor - I wonder if I'm supposed to replace the whole lot  :think:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on August 26, 2016, 07:07:21 PM
Sorry to hear it mate, what a PITA. >:( 
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: DaveK on August 26, 2016, 07:35:30 PM
Ah shouldn't be too bad now I got it to the garage.

Tyre will be £153 they reckon - not sure about the compressor / goo though!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on August 26, 2016, 07:37:52 PM
Ah shouldn't be too bad now I got it to the garage.

Tyre will be £153 they reckon - not sure about the compressor / goo though!

Cleaning the goo off the wheels is bad, also makes tyre repair hard :/
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: DaveK on August 26, 2016, 08:01:55 PM
Yeah - they're replacing the tyre - only option they'd give me!

I suspect they'll advise doing both - they aren't far off due.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on August 26, 2016, 08:04:12 PM
Yeah - they're replacing the tyre - only option they'd give me!

I suspect they'll advise doing both - they aren't far off due.

Can you get a space saver?
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: DaveK on August 26, 2016, 08:59:37 PM
Yeah - they're replacing the tyre - only option they'd give me!

I suspect they'll advise doing both - they aren't far off due.

Can you get a space saver?

You can, but apparently there's no well so it has to live in the boot (which is pretty small to start with).

I shall enquire when I talk to the dealer tomorrow, what normal people without bottomless pockets normally do, lol.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on August 26, 2016, 10:18:25 PM
I wouldn't like to think the compressor is only one use. :think:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: DaveK on August 27, 2016, 12:13:13 AM
I found something online that suggests you need to replace the bottle of goo (obviously) and the compressor hose (makes sense as it'll be full of the goo).

But as I can't detach the bottle from the compressor I'm kind of stuck lol. I'll give the dealer a call in the morning and see what they say :)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: DaveK on August 27, 2016, 01:09:45 PM
£153 down for a new tyre but at least its drivable again - yay!

Awaiting a call back about what to do with the repair kit (i.e. goo and compressor). Wish they'd hurry up!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on August 27, 2016, 01:14:29 PM
£153 down for a new tyre but at least its drivable again - yay!

Awaiting a call back about what to do with the repair kit (i.e. goo and compressor). Wish they'd hurry up!

Hmm looks like its a factory fit thing

http://www.evoqueownersclub.co.uk/forum/spare-wheel_topic1568.html
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: DaveK on August 27, 2016, 01:16:38 PM
£153 down for a new tyre but at least its drivable again - yay!

Awaiting a call back about what to do with the repair kit (i.e. goo and compressor). Wish they'd hurry up!

Hmm looks like its a factory fit thing

http://www.evoqueownerscl...pare-wheel_topic1568.html (http://www.evoqueownersclub.co.uk/forum/spare-wheel_topic1568.html)

Yeah exactly, and reading the forums they leave you with virtually no boot!

In all honesty, the goo did the job satisfactorily, I'm just a bit nervous of the final cost of a simple puncture!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: pietervn on August 27, 2016, 01:52:46 PM

Yeah exactly, and reading the forums they leave you with virtually no boot!

In all honesty, the goo did the job satisfactorily, I'm just a bit nervous of the final cost of a simple puncture!

I carry a generic 4X4 repair can (aerosol foamy stuff) in both our cars. Mainly because I did not want SWAMBO to have to try and crack wheel nuts next to the road whilst still living in South Africa. We have never had to use one and I replace them every three years. I have used one on a mates truck and it worked pretty well. The reason I buy the 4X4 version is that it is a bigger can, more goo/foamy stuff and more compressed air.

Something like this:

Pete
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: DaveK on August 27, 2016, 02:25:48 PM
This is the stuff I had - I dare say its very similar:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Continental-Tyre-Sealant-Refill-Replacement-Ford-Volvo-Land-Rover-560ml/330934550341?_trksid=p2054502.c100229.m3211&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140505115423%26meid%3Dc378d8674d6144d8b9a3d038a884723b%26pid%3D100229%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D11%26sd%3D231142444786

Garage called back and said use a bit of force to detach the old bottle which I did, so just need to replace the bottle of goo now :)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on September 08, 2016, 06:46:28 PM
new Discover - looks a bit soft to me

https://youtu.be/ZDzmFBaEOAg
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on September 08, 2016, 08:17:28 PM
new Discover - looks a bit soft to me

https://youtu.be/ZDzmFBaEOAg

Looks like a scaled up Disco Sport  :-\
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on September 08, 2016, 08:33:27 PM
Anybody else bummed out by the fact that real SUVs don't exist anymore? All the models that used to be body on frame with real low range transfer cases have turned into glorified station wagons. I'm sure that new Landy will be plenty competent off road, but would anyone really want that to be their wheeling rig?

My Dodge is a soccer mom mobile, but at least I have real low range and a peppy V8, the new Durangos are AWD only :-\
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on September 08, 2016, 10:26:25 PM
new Discover - looks a bit soft to me

https://youtu.be/ZDzmFBaEOAg

Looks like a scaled up Disco Sport  :-\

They definitely seem to have taken a page out of the Porsche design handbook: design one car and then make all the rest of them look the same.  I don't hate the looks, but they don't fire me up either. :shrug:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 08, 2016, 11:56:01 PM
Anybody else bummed out by the fact that real SUVs don't exist anymore? All the models that used to be body on frame with real low range transfer cases have turned into glorified station wagons. I'm sure that new Landy will be plenty competent off road, but would anyone really want that to be their wheeling rig?

My Dodge is a soccer mom mobile, but at least I have real low range and a peppy V8, the new Durangos are AWD only :-\

*ahem*

My Jeep has a body on frame design, low range and an honest to God transfer case.

new Discover - looks a bit soft to me

https://youtu.be/ZDzmFBaEOAg

That looks pretty bland- I hope driving over someone's lawn isn't the extent of it's off road abilities!

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: kkokkolis on September 09, 2016, 07:29:40 AM
I would call it a Range Rover if I couldn't read the name. It looks comfort and luxury oriented. But they know how to make a good 4x4, don't underestimate the Rovers.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on September 09, 2016, 07:57:47 AM
As far as SUV's go we have the softroaders, but also the station wagons based on the Toyota and Ford pickups' running gear, those are pretty capable....
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: DaveK on September 09, 2016, 09:20:43 AM
new Discover - looks a bit soft to me

https://youtu.be/ZDzmFBaEOAg

Looks like a scaled up Disco Sport  :-\

Maybe I'm going soft in my old age, but that looks alright to me! I assume it can handle a bit more than driving across a flat field mind.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on September 10, 2016, 09:22:25 PM
Went for a run in my usual offroad area/dirt bike track and its surrounding cliffs.

Not much time for videos or pictures, but I took a couple, to check for ground clearance - I was surprised by how easy it was to go up a vertical step and how much clearance I still had underneath.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on September 10, 2016, 09:24:25 PM
 :like:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on September 10, 2016, 09:27:41 PM
new Discover - looks a bit soft to me

https://youtu.be/ZDzmFBaEOAg (https://youtu.be/ZDzmFBaEOAg)

Looks like a scaled up Disco Sport  :-\

Maybe I'm going soft in my old age, but that looks alright to me! I assume it can handle a bit more than driving across a flat field mind.


I still like the old Discos, like this one that belongs to a friend of mine

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160910/324e46a02946d98a46e6d3a364d755d5.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: DaveK on September 11, 2016, 12:06:04 AM
I like the Disco too, though I've never owned one. Yet.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on September 11, 2016, 12:07:54 AM
I like the Disco too, though I've never owned one. Yet.

Get a V8 Jap import and mod the funk out of it, it's on my list  :tu:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on September 12, 2016, 12:44:02 PM
We had an off-road outing as well this weekend to go do some shooting.

Shooting was fun, the drive was boring, only needed 4x4 once for a brief moment, no challenge for the Suzuki Gypsy.

Driving behind I had time to judge my buddy's modified Gypsy, and in the process ruled out many of the mods I wanted to do and was advised here is unnecessary.  :salute:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on September 18, 2016, 04:52:15 PM
Well I took a trip up to the Landrover Owner show in Peterborough today. The fist odd thing was the car that pulled up next to me. He lives about a 5 minute walk from me!

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160918/63b4e6efdd699674328ae225bafe232f.jpg)

Lots of very nice landies there

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160918/3665552ad8a4ffba5290b4b0c49539ac.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160918/16f868b188911d2a29bd72d57f868be3.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160918/d5ba799ec0f5cf01ccb69d50a850d78c.jpg)

One of my favourites is the WMIK

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160918/1c901b24210abcf30b23d5ea34cf4267.jpg)

It was across from its older relative

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160918/8938a449c38062955b3a1cc824cb70ec.jpg)

There were also some very seriously modified examples

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160918/e439c780888761bfa518d3dd588314fb.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160918/7de40dd854721d581e9e0c2f494f26b8.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160918/490abc4579184a8668fae1d1deff0f1f.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160918/766f2393262be81f359d1e42ec882edf.jpg)

One of the nicest Discos I've every seen, I spent ages talking to the guy who built it

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160918/df28879018a4692db15ba5427cc0bf66.jpg)

My son was quite taken with it as well

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160918/2b49db9005d057548e45e9ce7dbbc992.jpg)

I was pretty impressed with this Suzuki

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160918/ed6c04b82c163e93fbddb37acd979909.jpg)

Lots of stuff for sale there and one thing caught my eye. Chuck boxes aren't common in the U.K.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160918/7b0f3b8266d4537f9320e670cf0eb4e7.jpg)

The price nearly made me fall over. £4500!

I'm definitely going next year and I'm going to camp there :tu:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on September 18, 2016, 07:44:14 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: derekmac on September 18, 2016, 08:03:34 PM
Went wheeling yesterday, and only half of us had Jeeps!!  :o  Here's a buddy in his Zuk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLglB6f3-Io
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: derekmac on September 18, 2016, 08:04:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ABzn3UBXy8
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 18, 2016, 10:38:43 PM
I love that yellow one!

There are some beautiful trucks there!

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on September 18, 2016, 11:35:40 PM
I love that yellow one!

There are some beautiful trucks there!

Def

I tried and completely failed to get photo of the blown Hemi Jeep for you, there weren't many Jeeps there (obviously) but this one had so many people round it all day!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: NutSAK on September 19, 2016, 12:21:38 AM
Anybody else bummed out by the fact that real SUVs don't exist anymore?

I'm bummed that there aren't many options, and the options available (in the US) aren't as small and nimble as they used to be.  I'll stick with my Bronco and my XJ.  Oh, and I do consider the XJ a "real SUV" even though it is a unitized body.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on September 19, 2016, 07:29:31 AM
The problem here with the real SUVs is the price, mainly because of the engine size. Offerings from LR, Mitsubishi, Toyota etc., new, start at about 60k, Euro, for the really basic models.

When you can get a decent spec LR Discovery sport, Kia Sorento, Nissan xtrail for 30k etc.which should do most of what you want it to do it makes little sense to buy the proper SUV. These come with modern ~2L diesel engines, whereas the proper SUV models come with 3, 4L diesels, with poor economy and poor environmental credentials, that load them with high import tariffs and yearly road tax . What you pay is mostly tax.

Even pick-up trucks that used to be cheaper, as they were taxed as commercial vehicles, are now around 30k.

I have been saying it for years that we need a clean but suitable 2L diesel for proper SUVs to become a viable option again.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 19, 2016, 06:51:48 PM
As painful as it is to admit it, I'm in agreement with DKS.

What we need is a return of the old style Samurai or something similar.  You are very limited here too if you want a "real" truck but not a pickup. 

Small pickups are also limited here- basically we have the Nissan Frontier, Toyota Tacoma or GMC Colorado/Canyon and all of those go for big $$ if you try to get them with 4 doors.

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on September 19, 2016, 07:35:46 PM
Superb pics Smashie.  Looks like a cracking way to spend a day or two. :cheers:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on September 19, 2016, 08:41:22 PM
As painful as it is to admit it, I'm in agreement with DKS.

 :cry: this..…. This moment..... This here....... :cry: this is the proudest moment... This here is the proudest moment of my MTO posting career. I would like to thank the members, the admin team, my cat, my legions of female folowers, zoid especially, darth, captain kirk and the mermaids for making this honour, this recognition of my efforts possible.

Do not worry def, it gets less painfully with time...  :2tu: :2tu:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on September 28, 2016, 09:08:47 PM
https://youtu.be/jp21kO6V6Gw
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Pacu on September 29, 2016, 12:25:38 AM
I'd like to get a TJ long wheelbase unlimited Jeep.

(http://2016jeepwrangler2017.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/2006-Jeep-Wrangler-Unlimited-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 29, 2016, 02:28:05 AM
That's what I was looking for when I bought my TJ initially.  And, why I ended up getting the 4 door this tone around.

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Sea Monster on September 29, 2016, 05:40:22 AM
There's no market for "real" SUVs (I don't know what you mean by that, but I know what I mean? - MQ Patrol  8) )


Anyway, this is a "reap what you sow" type thing - Y'all wanted safety, comfort, space, highway speed and off road power, in built DVD players, automatic, cruise control, steering-wheel warmers, maintenance free cars.


You got it - and what a surprise - They're expensive, and not actually any fun  ::)

(And have so many systems in them, they're not worth thinking about after a few years)

Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on September 29, 2016, 10:09:45 AM
I'd like to get a TJ long wheelbase unlimited Jeep.

(http://2016jeepwrangler2017.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/2006-Jeep-Wrangler-Unlimited-1.jpg)

That's what I was looking for when I bought my TJ initially.  And, why I ended up getting the 4 door this tone around.

Def

Hang on, hang on.  This is the NON-Jeep thread. :twak:

It is nice though. ;)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: NutSAK on September 29, 2016, 01:38:08 PM
Y'all wanted safety, comfort, space, highway speed and off road power, in built DVD players, automatic, cruise control, steering-wheel warmers, maintenance free cars.

Some did.  Not all of us.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on September 29, 2016, 01:41:56 PM
Y'all wanted safety, comfort, space, highway speed and off road power, in built DVD players, automatic, cruise control, steering-wheel warmers, maintenance free cars.

Some did.  Not all of us.

Not me either
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 29, 2016, 01:43:10 PM
Despite having all of those in my latest 4x4 (since apparently the J Word is upsetting in this thread!   :P) I am on the list of people that would have been happy without all of it.

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: DaveK on September 29, 2016, 01:45:43 PM
Frankly, I want as much comfort as I can get, else I may as well get a horse.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: firiki on September 29, 2016, 01:54:15 PM
Satin or velvet TP, sir? :D

maintenance free cars.


You got it - and what a surprise - They're expensive, and not actually any fun  ::)



I wouldn't say that... One of them systems failing and you could be up to many trips to the car mechanic's and a substantial amount of money out the wallet :-\

Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on September 29, 2016, 02:14:42 PM
Frankly, I want as much comfort as I can get, else I may as well get a horse.

I'm kinda with Dave on this one.  The story might be different if I could own and run two cars, one for the every day comfort and load space that I want the other for the 4x4 credentials, but I can't.  So I want as much of everything rolled into one package. 

As for the lack of pure 4x4 options, well I guess that's market forces for you.  If the manufacturers were selling lots of them then they'd still be getting made.  From what I can see the SUV market has stolen a far bigger chunk out of the family saloon/hatchback/estate (station wagon) sector than anything else.  I'd be interested to see some market trend figures on this.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on September 29, 2016, 08:50:56 PM
I do have proper offroaders but I also just got a softroader. I have not tested it off road but it has a very stiff chassis so it easily puts a wheel of the ground. This means that going into my garage which has a chassis twisting ramp i always get a lot of spin. This does not happen with any body on frame offroaders but it does happen with many modern cars.

What many may not realise is that most AWD systems  will always have wheels spinning a bit when going over weird/difficult ground, until the electronics detect this, kick in and get the vehicle moving.

It feels weird as when the wheels spin your natural instinct is to stop the car and try again, whereas you actually need to let the wheels spin so that the cars electronics can get the needed information and get the car moving again. There are some options to get the reaction faster if you want to bother with changing settings and pressing buttons.

This is shown in many videos/tests too.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: NutSAK on September 29, 2016, 09:04:10 PM
I do have proper offroaders but I also just got a softroader. I have not tested it off road but it has a very stiff chassis so it easily puts a wheel of the ground. This means that going into my garage which has a chassis twisting ramp i always get a lot of spin. This does not happen with any body on frame offroaders but it does happen with many modern cars

This is typically not simply a sign of a stiff chassis.  It is a sign that you lack suspension articulation.

Body-on-frame offroaders typically have good suspension articulation due to the suspension designs they employ.  However, there are also plenty of stiff unitized body vehicles that have excellent suspension articulation (Jeep XJ).  Cars and "softroaders" as you call them typically have suspensions designed to improve road handling, reduce body roll and have terrible articulation as a result.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on September 29, 2016, 09:13:49 PM
I know. The comment was just to give a general idea of the issue.  Most AWD cars are set up to go fast on motorways and corner well rather than to go rock-climbing. Even proper 4wd cars are set mainly for road use these days.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Pacu on September 30, 2016, 09:52:28 PM
I'd like to get a TJ long wheelbase unlimited Jeep.

(http://2016jeepwrangler2017.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/2006-Jeep-Wrangler-Unlimited-1.jpg)

That's what I was looking for when I bought my TJ initially.  And, why I ended up getting the 4 door this tone around.

Def

Hang on, hang on.  This is the NON-Jeep thread. :twak:

It is nice though. ;)

oops!  I'll take one of these , don't see these in America too often.

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/images/2016/01/28/Land-Rover-Defender-90-Adventure-off-road-large_trans++gsaO8O78rhmZrDxTlQBjdGtT0gK_6EfZT336f62EI5U-large_trans++qVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVWeZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: zoidberg on October 01, 2016, 04:04:39 AM
As painful as it is to admit it, I'm in agreement with DKS.

 :cry: this..…. This moment..... This here....... :cry: this is the proudest moment... This here is the proudest moment of my MTO posting career. I would like to thank the members, the admin team, my cat, my legions of female folowers, zoid especially, darth, captain kirk and the mermaids for making this honour, this recognition of my efforts possible.

Do not worry def, it gets less painfully with time...  :2tu: :2tu:

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: classicrock on October 01, 2016, 08:56:00 AM
Despite having all of those in my latest 4x4 (since apparently the J Word is upsetting in this thread!   :P) I am on the list of people that would have been happy without all of it.

Def
I'm on the list too. That's why I love this little old 4x4. Dinosaur diesel technology, part time 4wd with low range, yeah I admit I'm a bit tired when I took it for a long range trip. My upgrade will be a 80 Series Land Cruiser, same old tech with much better suspension.
 
My other ride is only a matic scooter. Perfect for heavy traffic condition here.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161001/01cabf3a3291bb9a1842bc746b3614bc.jpg)

Sent from my SM-J500G using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: classicrock on October 01, 2016, 09:08:28 AM


You got it - and what a surprise - They're expensive, and not actually any fun  ::)

(And have so many systems in them, they're not worth thinking about after a few years)

My friend just bought a 10 years age Ford Ranger XLT with 3.0 turbo diesel common rail engine. 3 days after he keep it in his garage, the truck won't start anymore.

And now it turns out the nozzle get clogged badly and must be replace with the new one. One nozzle would cost USD 280 and he needs four. Compared to my old 4x4 nozzle which is only USD 10 per piece and could live happily for 20 years.



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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on October 30, 2016, 01:37:35 PM
hunting party
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 30, 2016, 01:40:59 PM
Nice- that white one reminds me of my old GMC Tracker, which was a rebranded version of the Suzuki Sidekick, which eventually turned into the Vitara.

What were you hunting?

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on October 30, 2016, 01:44:50 PM
Wabbits and Chukar.

started at 6 AM, stopped at around 9 as it was getting too hot
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 30, 2016, 02:15:35 PM
I had to look up chukar, I had no idea what it was.  It actually comes up as a misspelled word in my browser too.  :D

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on October 30, 2016, 02:27:52 PM
... yes, they are very good at hiding and experts at tricking hunters. After I fired both shots, at a bird far away which was diving, 5 of them flew off from a few metres away from me... I just had to laugh as I watched them get away.

The white car is the short wheelbase Mitsubishi pajero. I wrote about it a few days ago in the jeep thread.

The pick-up is Chevrolet (Isuzu)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 30, 2016, 02:34:35 PM
This is what I had, but with a lot more rust on it!   :ahhh

(http://momentcar.com/images/geo-tracker-1989-2.jpg)

The bottom 4-6 inches of the doors were completely rusted away, and the frame where the hinges attached were also pretty bad- so much so that one day it opened like a Lamborghini- only the door went down instead of up!   :ahhh

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on October 30, 2016, 02:44:02 PM
Small, short wheelbase 4x4s kick butt...
Getting buck into the Sorento makes you realise how much 4wd/awd have changed in the past 30 years..
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on October 30, 2016, 02:57:45 PM
I did drive through some earth/dirt roads a few days ago, scouting the area for birds.

This is the car with the dirt that stayed on it, after a 30 minute drive on asphalt roads (It was worse before...)

It got a wash
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 30, 2016, 03:21:45 PM
I love SWB models off road, but they really suffer on the road, specifically for higher speeds and longer trips.

They are fantastic in tight parking lots though!

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on November 21, 2016, 05:38:03 PM
https://youtu.be/wYS47U3F4js
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 21, 2016, 10:42:43 PM
That reminds me of the Thomas Crown Affair Mustang:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/98/b1/89/98b189c782d91533ce11262c4273498d.jpg)

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on November 22, 2016, 07:52:54 AM
nice!!!!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on November 22, 2016, 10:34:10 AM
I've had an.......experience recently, but first some background:

For the past 4 years I drove a 1996 Toyota RAV 2.0, 3-door SWB and full-time 4WD.......quite simply amazing.

Only problem, it's 20 years old.  I've been replacing items as they fail, and perhaps unfairly I stopped trusting the car.

To buy new, and have 4x4 there was only one option, the Suzuki Gypsy.

So now I've replaced a 20-year old car with the best technology of the late 90's with a brand new car based on 70's and 80's technology  :facepalm:

The Gypsy also comes with cross ply tyres....... :facepalm:

We recently had a few drops of rain, first of the season, and I basically couldn't drive as the car was all over the show.  Could afford to break hard at all, and had to go around corners on momentum and only accelerate once the car is straight or I risked spinning 180.
That afternoon leaving work I decided to engage 4x4, and I did so in the parking garage, felt something strange in the corners on the way to the exit and checked at home.

Long story short, googled, and found out about axle bind :facepalm:

No damage done, but I was a bit surprised......

I've since discussed it with some serious 4x4'ers and found out it's a thing with older type 4x4's.

I'm truly impressed with the Gypsy's capabilities, but it is a bit of a shock getting nuked back 20 years into the past on some points.

Problem is, despite being a 2nd hand Japanese import, the RAV was by far the best car I ever owned.

Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on December 11, 2016, 07:20:10 PM
mudish
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 12, 2016, 01:22:30 AM
Is that like "dirt adjacent?"

:D

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on December 12, 2016, 07:07:50 AM
I went through a largish mud puddle, with no problems
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 12, 2016, 04:45:18 PM
You'd have had to dig a bit to find mud this morning!

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15355609_10157952400615441_8862305717129833790_n.jpg?oh=32bbe861c04f58a2d1b8088b8f8c6caa&oe=58FC86E5)

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: pfrsantos on December 13, 2016, 04:04:08 PM
I just found out Grant has traded his jeep for a personalized Alfa-Romeo.

 :tu: :tu:


Maybe other brands will make a MTo model, too...

 :whistle:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 13, 2016, 04:53:16 PM
Alfa stole that design from me and changed the name slightly in hopes I wouldn't notice.  They actually call it the MiTo.

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: pfrsantos on December 13, 2016, 05:02:48 PM
Alfa stole that design from me and changed the name slightly in hopes I wouldn't notice.  They actually call it the MiTo.

Def

It is a because in Italy they say "Multi Il Tool org"... We will make a them pay for their lack of rispect...

 :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 13, 2016, 10:22:09 PM
Well, at least we know they won't get away  If they try, we'll find them a hundred meters up the road with a mechanical issue!   :ahhh

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on December 15, 2016, 02:36:00 PM
My Suzuki got a considerable upgrade today: 5 brand new tyres, Nankang FT-7's

This after a week of research when I had a moment to spare, the big question was which size.

The most common recommendation when keeping the standard steel rims is 205/70R15, but those are smaller than the OEM tyres and I refused to loose any ground clearance.

Next option was 215/75R15, potential problem with those was the 5.5J rim, at least 6J is recommended for 215's.  My problem with the 215/75's is it's not a common tyre, as I found out with my previous car that can be a huge problem at times......like when the distributor is closed.

We fitted a 205 and 215/75 on each of the front wheels to test, 205 was dismissed and out came the next option....

215/80R15.  Extremely common tyre because it's standard on some Toyotas.  And bigger  :D Win-win......if they fit.

We turned full-lock both ways and made sure they cleared, they were actually cheaper than the 215/75's, with a bit of discount from my hiking buddy I decided to blow the budget and replace all 5 tyres, argument being the original spare was now considerably smaller, won't be able to safely use it at the rear.

I was very happy with the overall result (except bank balance).........until I went around the corner just right and the tyre touched body work  :facepalm:

Long story short, during a left turn going uphill the right front tyre (only!) touches the inside top corner of the plastic trim on the side of the bumper.

Problem was fixed with scissors  :cheers:

Zuk-zuk has some big feet now!  :like:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 15, 2016, 04:13:59 PM
That's great to hear!

Got a before and after photo for us?  :D

Good plan on replacing all five tires- just make sure that you also include the spare in your rotation or you will have largely wasted your money.  I still have the original factory spare for my TJ, and it still has the injector pins in it.  The only time it has touched the ground is when someone rolled it to the Jeep to install it at the factory, and where I rolled it into the garage when I replaced it.

In case anyone is not familiar with a 5 tire rotation pattern, it goes like this:

Spare => right side rear
Right Rear => Right Front
Right Front => Left Rear
Left Rear => Left Front
Left Front => Spare

I like a five tire rotation as it's easier to do yourself.  If you are rotating four wheels you need to have at least two of them off the ground at a time or jack up the whole vehicle. With a five tire rotation you just jack up one corner at a time.

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on December 15, 2016, 05:00:26 PM
Now this is just underhanded and coming from Canada as well  :rofl:

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/land-rover/defender/98040/land-rover-wins-high-court-ruling-to-protect-defender-name
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on December 15, 2016, 05:42:27 PM
never mind...
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 15, 2016, 05:45:56 PM
Now this is just underhanded and coming from Canada as well  :rofl:

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/land-rover/defender/98040/land-rover-wins-high-court-ruling-to-protect-defender-name

Yes, because they look so similar, you wouldn't want people to mistake them.... :P

http://can-am.brp.com/off-road/defender.html

never mind...

Yes- radials make a hell of a lot of noise when mounted backwards....

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on December 15, 2016, 10:48:38 PM
Just about as similar as this:

(http://www.knivesandtools.co.uk/productimages/photogallery/photos/victorinox-trailmaster-VT5V0.8463.3-d1.jpg)

and this:

(http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-143500297570199/cold-steel-trail-master-sk-5-6.gif)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 16, 2016, 01:06:40 AM
Touche....

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on December 16, 2016, 10:12:29 AM
Touche....

Def
:D
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 16, 2016, 01:06:50 PM
If it makes you feel any better, I'd still rather have the Land Rover version of the Defender despite the other one being Canadian.

Funny story about that- a friend of mine and I were at one of those outdoors shows a few years back and he was looking for a two seat side by side.

He was talking to a dealer who had just gotten one on a trade in- the previous owner worked on oil rugs so had lots of money and very little time at home so the machine had many aftermarket upgrades and next to no mileage.  The dealer said he wanted $30,000 for it.

My comment was "Or, for $20,000 you could have a brand new Jeep."

The dealer gave me a dirty look and said "yes, but this will go places a Jeep won't."

Rather than argue with him that the only place it would go was between slightly narrower gapped trees, or that with the extra $10,000 you could do enough upgrades to make the Jeep go even more places, I simply said "yes, we'll the Jeep can go places that can't too.  Like the highway or the store."

He was not amused.

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on December 16, 2016, 01:20:11 PM
Quote
Got a before and after photo for us?  :D

Had my little rant about photo uploading ability already, so I'll just leave it at.......after photos will follow.......someday....

Quote
In case anyone is not familiar with a 5 tire rotation pattern, it goes like this:

That's what they advise in the manual....

Quote
I like a five tire rotation as it's easier to do yourself.  If you are rotating four wheels you need to have at least two of them off the ground at a time or jack up the whole vehicle. With a five tire rotation you just jack up one corner at a time.

Never thought of that, very cool!  :cheers:

During my last holiday I had the bad fortune to find out the only good option is 2 (or more) spare tyres on top of the ability to fix normal flats.
I'm struggling to find another rim like those I have on so I can get the second spare, but I realised the new wheels are considerably bigger, the old spare might work on the front as long as no 4x4 driving is required, but a flat in at the rear would mean I need to swop wheels or risk damaging the diff.
Budget is shot  :facepalm:

I'll post some pics if my ISP ever wakes up....
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on December 16, 2016, 01:22:45 PM
If it makes you feel any better, I'd still rather have the Land Rover version of the Defender despite the other one being Canadian.

Funny story about that- a friend of mine and I were at one of those outdoors shows a few years back and he was looking for a two seat side by side.

He was talking to a dealer who had just gotten one on a trade in- the previous owner worked on oil rugs so had lots of money and very little time at home so the machine had many aftermarket upgrades and next to no mileage.  The dealer said he wanted $30,000 for it.

My comment was "Or, for $20,000 you could have a brand new Jeep."

The dealer gave me a dirty look and said "yes, but this will go places a Jeep won't."

Rather than argue with him that the only place it would go was between slightly narrower gapped trees, or that with the extra $10,000 you could do enough upgrades to make the Jeep go even more places, I simply said "yes, we'll the Jeep can go places that can't too.  Like the highway or the store."

He was not amused.

Def

$30,000? :o  and that's second hand? As you say; you could have a Jeep for that, or a real Defender. :D
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on December 16, 2016, 01:40:22 PM
$30k That's cheap for over there
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 16, 2016, 01:55:09 PM
Here $20k will buy you a brand new, base model two door Jeep.  So that, plus an extra $10k (to equal the cost of the side by side) would make one heck of a monster Jeep that could tackle just about anything, which is what amused me.  there were so many different ways I could shut him down.

For the record, an LR2 starts at about $40k, a Toyota FJ Cruiser starts at about $37k and a VW Tiguan starts at about $27k.

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on December 16, 2016, 06:34:59 PM
NSFDEF

Show content
https://youtu.be/5sVmoOZRypk
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: pfrsantos on December 16, 2016, 06:57:48 PM
Well, at least we know they won't get away  If they try, we'll find them a hundred meters up the road with a mechanical issue!   :ahhh

Def

... giving you the opportunity to use a Mt to fix it. The name was well choosen!

 :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 16, 2016, 10:16:59 PM
The best way to fix an Alfa is to use the flathead to peel off the nose emblem and replace it with a VW logo....  :ahhh

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on December 16, 2016, 10:20:48 PM
... there is sooooo much respect for VW  and VAG  these days.......   :)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: pfrsantos on December 21, 2016, 06:47:23 PM
The best way to fix an Alfa is to use the flathead to peel off the nose emblem and replace it with a VW BMW logo....  :ahhh

Def

FTFY...

 :pok: :pok:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 22, 2016, 12:46:34 AM
That works too...

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on December 28, 2016, 08:03:52 PM
snow
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 28, 2016, 11:26:25 PM
Nice!

You can't get a lot of that where you live?  Or are you travelling?

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on December 29, 2016, 07:36:30 AM
You get snow in the mountains, in winter. It is an hours drive, which by Canadian distances is near to where I live :).
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 29, 2016, 01:19:26 PM
Yup, anything within an hour's drive is local here. 

Still, it's nice that you have access to some, when you want it, and when you get sick of it you can leave it behind!

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on December 29, 2016, 09:35:33 PM
crazy articulation !!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 31, 2016, 03:52:42 AM
Indeed it is.... serious independent front suspension mod!   :ahhh

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Higgins617 on January 24, 2017, 02:51:40 AM
I moved on from the Durango, I'm now the proud owner of a 2003 Toyota Tundra!
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: ToolJoe on January 24, 2017, 03:31:59 AM
Can't go wrong with a Tundra. Fill with gas, oil, tires, repeat.

Guy in the US cracked a million miles in his Tundra:

http://www.trucktrend.com/features/1602-the-million-mile-2007-toyota-tundra/
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on January 28, 2017, 09:39:08 PM
Excellent day driving the 4x4 route at Elisenheim Guest Farm........and found some water on the way back  >:D

https://youtu.be/AwuL7Y1dmg0
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on January 28, 2017, 09:58:24 PM
Excellent day driving the 4x4 route at Elisenheim Guest Farm........and found some water on the way back  >:D

https://youtu.be/AwuL7Y1dmg0

Nice one  :tu:

I'm looking forward to a few offload sessions coming this year, just got a few very small jobs to sort out fist like the gearbox, transfer box, leaking swivel seals and a split breather hose. I'm sure it's only going to take me an hour or so  :rofl:

Plus my winch could do with a new cable and while I'm at that I might as well service that too.  :ahhh
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 28, 2017, 10:57:31 PM
We are heading out right now, but I'll be sure to watch that when I get back!  From the image it looks like a gorgeous place to play!

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on January 29, 2017, 08:28:46 PM
semi serious offroading
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on February 04, 2017, 08:07:55 PM
.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 05, 2017, 12:58:12 AM
Still looks awfully shiny!   :pok:

Still, it also looks like a good time!

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on February 05, 2017, 05:54:52 AM
That is the great thing about silverish colours. They always look clean.
Apart from the lack of a slow/low gear and off road tyres it is quite capable. I have been more off road than 99% of the buyers of new proper off road cars - just look at the choice of tyres on their cars.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: campussecurity on February 05, 2017, 07:35:22 AM
Just got me a base Grand Vitara. But it works for all my needs. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170205/606fcaa1c030c0a86b9b3675314af14c.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on April 22, 2017, 06:33:13 PM
Off roadish....

Testing the new roof box on  and off the road
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on May 07, 2017, 12:26:02 AM
Well Grants prediction of 'Just Empty Every Pocket' came true Thursday. Pulled out of a junction, loud screeching noise and no power.

Got it recovered and started looking, exhaust manifold warped and cracked (not a surprise on the TD5), the bigger surprise was that the turbo had eaten itself.

So up rated manifold and a new turbo on the way. The bugger with the turbo is they normal work on an exchange basis for a working turbo, mine is lunched so I've paid a substantial amount for the turbo. Oh and they only come with a 3 month warranty.

Still on the bright side 'MOAR POWA' 

Just perfect timing really as I'd got all the other major jobs done, with the exception of the winch.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 08, 2017, 12:07:04 AM
I just don't trust turbos, especially not in a truck.  It seems like a non field serviceable part that may not be critical, but is certainly important.

Maybe my thoughts on turbos is way out of date, but they have always been unreliable in my mind.

That having been said, I don't believe I have ever owned something with a turbo in it, so maybe I'm missing something.

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on May 08, 2017, 12:15:43 AM
I just don't trust turbos, especially not in a truck.  It seems like a non field serviceable part that may not be critical, but is certainly important.

Maybe my thoughts on turbos is way out of date, but they have always been unreliable in my mind.

That having been said, I don't believe I have ever owned something with a turbo in it, so maybe I'm missing something.

Def

To be fair it's the first turbo I've ever had fail and I am breaking a lot of rules on my car, using a snorkel (restricts airflow), boost pressure way higher than standard and driving it like a complete smurf most of the time. The higher the tune the more chance it's going to break. Standard TD5 engine was 122bhp mine is closer to 250.

But given the recent diesel is evil stuff being spewed a crate LS is looking very attractive again :gimme:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: gregozedobe on May 08, 2017, 03:43:26 AM
I just don't trust turbos, especially not in a truck.  It seems like a non field serviceable part that may not be critical, but is certainly important.

Maybe my thoughts on turbos is way out of date, but they have always been unreliable in my mind.

That having been said, I don't believe I have ever owned something with a turbo in it, so maybe I'm missing something.

Def

I've done a total of around 310,000Km in turbo'd vehicles so far (260,000 in diesels) with zero turbo problems (including putting a turbo on a naturally aspirated LandCruiser diesel) and I love the extra torque they give, so you usually don't need to rev the engine to get you going. 

I'm a turbo fan, and believe as long as you service the engine properly and drive at least a little sensibly, then a properly engineered turbo is going to be reliable.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on May 08, 2017, 08:58:29 AM
Sorry to hear about the turbo woes mate. :-\  I've run several turbo cars over the years and never had an issue with any of them...so far.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on May 08, 2017, 09:18:34 AM
I have had many off-roaders and pick-up trucks with turbos. Never had a turbo fail, though you will get the odd problem, as with all mechanical parts.

It is rare to find a diesel one made in the past 20 years without one, in Europe, as most regular sized off road vehicles will have smaller, by US standards, engines (big for us), up to around 3l, in diesel. Thus a Turbo helps in many ways. The turbo basically makes your engine behave a like a bigger capacity one, has lower import etc.taxes and is less affected by air density

I remember when getting 200Hp from a 2 litre petrol engine, with a turbo, was a big thing, whereas now you get that from most modern diesels, plus all the extra torque and fuel economy.

With the cheap fuel and lower car related taxes you have in the US and it seems Canada too, you can just use a bigger, 4L, 6L etc petrol engine which here would make the overall cost of ownership reach stupid levels.
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Post by: Smashie on May 08, 2017, 10:19:01 PM
Well new turbo and manifold fitted today, boost controller dialed back a bit and just to be sure ran it to my friends garage to have the emissions tested. All good so far.

I should have taken photo's but I just didn't think about it.

Let it run for a couple of hundred miles then it's off to the rolling road for a proper tune up.

Smashie does the happy dance  :rofl:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 09, 2017, 02:59:52 AM
Maybe it is just American made turbos that are the problem, but I seem to recall most car guys I know avoiding turbos because they needed to be replaced every five years. 

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on May 10, 2017, 01:16:02 PM
Maybe it is just American made turbos that are the problem, but I seem to recall most car guys I know avoiding turbos because they needed to be replaced every five years. 

Def

You mentioned field serviceable parts.......very few of those around anymore....

I drive a car that's a left-over from the 80's with a relatively modern engine......it has fuel injection.

I've thought about this a lot considering where I have gone and want to go off the beaten track, I prefer solid state electronics and injectors over a carburetor all day and every day.

That said, I would only trust a German or Japanese turbo engine  :whistle: 
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: matzesu on October 06, 2017, 08:58:02 PM
As the old fenders of our Unimog where pretty rusty and the rear fenders slowly startet to rot away, whe decidet to change they whit New ones, and a Pulver Survace instead of a regular paint job
Also the front bumper got this Pulver surface and looks now pretty good..
Mercedes Benz Unimog 406 U900, 84 hp, 6 metric Liter 6 Zylinder Diesel Engine, about 3700 metric Kilogramm (7400 pounts)

Some pictures

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171006/3915d1933b1d647b82caeb3485532f8b.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171006/9907200b2283d92a248a03150dbaed79.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171006/8f2032a760b3955fab1757e127ab4ae7.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171006/c12af7d89806560c7d8946f5fb8d44e1.jpg)
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Post by: ThundahBeagle on October 07, 2017, 12:25:10 AM
I flipped casually through this thread before posting. Some very interesting and very nice machines out there.

Mine have been nothing special, although that may change.

The big old "Jaws Sheriff Brody Chevy Blazer" is what sparked my interest as a kid. Have loved those ever since Never had one of that vintage, but have had two of the 90's versions, one of which I still have. It's like driving my sofa around and has pulled many another vehicle out of the snow.

Also loved the Jeep CJ but it takes a lot more to get one of those outfitted to carry kayaks on the "roof." So for Jeep I prefer the XJ. Never got one of those either. Happened to get a Grand Cherokee WJ 1999. That was great, too, but ended up selling it.

Newer Jeeps (except Wrangler) and Chevy trucks (including x-Blazers now known as Tahoes) seem to want to scrape the ground with their front bumpers and air dams in comparison to the older stuff, so I intend to keep my '93 big Blazer and keep repairing.

I suppose in my perfect world I would own four vehicles at once:

1) full sized old Chevy Blazer (any, 1970-1994). I have one now
2) Jeep Cherokee XJ (1985-2001)
3) Jeep Grand Cherokee ZJ ('93-98- the ones that were intended to be the replacement for the original XJ). Or WJ ('99-2004)
4) Subaru Forrester late 90's to early 2000's, standard shift

Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: ThundahBeagle on October 07, 2017, 12:29:54 AM
'93 Blazer.



Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: ThundahBeagle on October 07, 2017, 12:31:09 AM
Yikes!

Not a great pic. I'll get another one later. Meanwhile here is the interior

Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: ThundahBeagle on October 07, 2017, 12:41:16 AM
My account picture is my Beagle in the back seat of this Blazer.

I can live out of this Blazer for a week at a time or more, and have done so. These were originally made from the short wheelbase pickup trucks that Chevy offered. If I'm camping alone I can fold down the back seat to make a full 8 feet of storage and sleep right in the back, or sit on the tailgate to eat my lunch, or use the tailgate as a table or light to medium duty workbench...

When camping with the little lady, we get ALL our gear and food in the storage back (what would be the bed of the truck), two kayaks atop using a Thule "I" system, two mountain bikes on the very back, and still have the back seat for Scout the ThundahBeagle, snack storage, and any rug rats that care to tag along.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on October 07, 2017, 01:56:02 AM
As the old fenders of our Unimog where pretty rusty and the rear fenders slowly startet to rot away, whe decidet to change they whit New ones, and a Pulver Survace instead of a regular paint job
Also the front bumper got this Pulver surface and looks now pretty good..
Mercedes Benz Unimog 406 U900, 84 hp, 6 metric Liter 6 Zylinder Diesel Engine, about 3700 metric Kilogramm (7400 pounts)

Some pictures

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171006/3915d1933b1d647b82caeb3485532f8b.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171006/9907200b2283d92a248a03150dbaed79.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171006/8f2032a760b3955fab1757e127ab4ae7.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171006/c12af7d89806560c7d8946f5fb8d44e1.jpg)

smurf me, you've got a mog, you win the non Jeep thread  :salute:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: campussecurity on October 07, 2017, 04:23:46 AM
Still running my Vitara. It rattles in weird places now and it lost the front air dam and "skid plate" somewhere along the way but it just keeps going and going and going. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171007/fa2d468b1cef6e47b07a44ec50c4e02e.jpg)

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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: matzesu on October 07, 2017, 03:07:09 PM
Today whe got done with the work on our Unimog
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171007/2476a9408469161d0e860cc262b07baf.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171007/fd66a6f6a0d5a26a4309c58664fbbda3.jpg)

And a older Picture of this thing at work
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171007/e75a2680a1b18697bc749b88f3707fee.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Borg on October 07, 2017, 04:34:54 PM
 :like:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 13, 2017, 01:29:11 PM
As the old fenders of our Unimog where pretty rusty and the rear fenders slowly startet to rot away, whe decidet to change they whit New ones, and a Pulver Survace instead of a regular paint job
Also the front bumper got this Pulver surface and looks now pretty good..
Mercedes Benz Unimog 406 U900, 84 hp, 6 metric Liter 6 Zylinder Diesel Engine, about 3700 metric Kilogramm (7400 pounts)

Some pictures

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171006/3915d1933b1d647b82caeb3485532f8b.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171006/9907200b2283d92a248a03150dbaed79.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171006/8f2032a760b3955fab1757e127ab4ae7.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171006/c12af7d89806560c7d8946f5fb8d44e1.jpg)

smurf me, you've got a mog, you win the non Jeep thread  :salute:

I was thinking the same thing! 

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 13, 2017, 01:31:04 PM
I flipped casually through this thread before posting. Some very interesting and very nice machines out there.

Mine have been nothing special, although that may change.

The big old "Jaws Sheriff Brody Chevy Blazer" is what sparked my interest as a kid. Have loved those ever since Never had one of that vintage, but have had two of the 90's versions, one of which I still have. It's like driving my sofa around and has pulled many another vehicle out of the snow.

Also loved the Jeep CJ but it takes a lot more to get one of those outfitted to carry kayaks on the "roof." So for Jeep I prefer the XJ. Never got one of those either. Happened to get a Grand Cherokee WJ 1999. That was great, too, but ended up selling it.

Newer Jeeps (except Wrangler) and Chevy trucks (including x-Blazers now known as Tahoes) seem to want to scrape the ground with their front bumpers and air dams in comparison to the older stuff, so I intend to keep my '93 big Blazer and keep repairing.

I suppose in my perfect world I would own four vehicles at once:

1) full sized old Chevy Blazer (any, 1970-1994). I have one now
2) Jeep Cherokee XJ (1985-2001)
3) Jeep Grand Cherokee ZJ ('93-98- the ones that were intended to be the replacement for the original XJ). Or WJ ('99-2004)
4) Subaru Forrester late 90's to early 2000's, standard shift

You don't need a roof rack, you need a trailer!

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Lac-La-Peche/May-22%2C-2017/LaPeche%20%281%29.jpg?m=1495543301)

It's a hell of a lot easier to get the boats on a trailer at the end of the day than to get them up on the roof anyway!

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on October 13, 2017, 05:43:04 PM
The other big danger with roof racks is people overload them and in the process significantly raise the centre of gravity, sometimes with disastrous results.

Even though my roof rack is fixed to the roll cage and therefore the chassis, it's weight limit is still 200kg. Exactly the same as a standard Defender. The roll cage by it's design will support the full weight of the vehicle.

As Def points out loading my roof rack is a pain, it's 7ft off the ground  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 13, 2017, 06:49:58 PM
The other big danger with roof racks is people overload them and in the process significantly raise the centre of gravity, sometimes with disastrous results.

Even though my roof rack is fixed to the roll cage and therefore the chassis, it's weight limit is still 200kg. Exactly the same as a standard Defender. The roll cage by it's design will support the full weight of the vehicle.

As Def points out loading my roof rack is a pain, it's 7ft off the ground  :facepalm:

I actually considered buying a Hummer H2 at one point, but was seriously concerned about having to lift my kayaks 7 feet in the air.   :facepalm:

Besides, I can put a fridge, stove, washer and dryer in my utility trailer- try that with a roof rack!   :ahhh

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on October 13, 2017, 07:14:25 PM

I actually considered buying a Hummer H2 at one point, but was seriously concerned about having to lift my kayaks 7 feet in the air.   :facepalm:

Besides, I can put a fridge, stove, washer and dryer in my utility trailer- try that with a roof rack!   :ahhh

Def

Hummers ain't practical (although they are cheap now) and yeah you're spot on about the trailer.

I was going to get one this year but I've delayed it until next. There's a nice little South African trailer available in the UK called the Venter Savuti, for the price they're pretty unbeatable. Plus you can load then up with a fridge etc.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 13, 2017, 08:20:37 PM
That is pretty sweet.  I wasn't sure what it was, so I looked it up.  Very cool indeed!

When I said I could put appliances in my trailer, I meant I could move appliances when they break down and need to be replaced, not as a permanent thing to take on adventures!  :D

I have an Apache Ramada for that, although it is somewhat more fragile than what you are looking at.  I had considered maybe building something like THIS (http://www.ottawacamping.ca/rv-inventory/new/tent-and-cargo/2017-sylvansport-sylvansport-go/530528/) into my utility trailer since it's pretty solid and has been on many adventures with me.

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on October 14, 2017, 11:32:42 AM
Today whe got done with the work on our Unimog
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171007/2476a9408469161d0e860cc262b07baf.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171007/fd66a6f6a0d5a26a4309c58664fbbda3.jpg)

And a older Picture of this thing at work
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171007/e75a2680a1b18697bc749b88f3707fee.jpg)
:like:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on January 12, 2018, 01:33:29 PM
so I was looking for a picture of a Troll (long story)  and found this:

http://www.troller.com.br/

Wikipedia "The Troller T4 is a four-wheel drive vehicle made by Troller Veículos Especiais S/A. It is available only as a two-door car with a fibreglass body and steel chassis, with a design inspired by the Jeep. It has standard 4WD, a 5-speed Eaton manual transmission and Dana axles. The engine is a 3.0 L turbo Diesel built by MWM and was introduced in 2004.[1][2]

Ford Motor Company purchased Troller in 2007. In 2014, the Troller T4 received a major redesign, is now being built on a shortened version of Ford's T6 platform for the global Ranger. The current version looks more like the modern form of the Jeep Wrangler and early model Ford Bronco "



They also remind me of the Toyotas too..

Is it wrong to say they look nice?

I do not recall seeing them before.

(https://www.troller.com.br/uploads/banner-monte-o-seu-02.jpg)

(http://mecanicaonline.com.br/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Troller-T4-Bold-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on January 12, 2018, 01:44:05 PM
Nope, not seen that one before as far as I can recall.  I think the look is interesting, if not attractive.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on January 12, 2018, 02:51:27 PM
Looks a bit under-tyred.

Difficult to judge build quality, but it does look like it would undress itself on some of our roads!  :rofl:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: ThundahBeagle on January 13, 2018, 04:44:15 PM
Looks more rough and tumble than most of Jeeps current offerings to be honest. Angle of approach/ front air dam are certainly seems more appropriate for a 4x4 than the new Murano - I mean, New Cherokee.

Chevy is bringing back the Blazer, but it's going to be a soccer mom cross-over. For shame.

Ford is bringing back the Bronco in the next year and a half. They better get it right and make it a short wheelbase, high angle of approach, high clearance, two door goat! I'd even accept a 4 door, if all the other requirements are met
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on January 31, 2018, 06:23:49 PM
not bad.  I am surprised they bothered to do that with a vehicle in this market segment

https://youtu.be/VYl42dcJeLM
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 31, 2018, 10:31:11 PM
Awesome job.

Too bad about the bumper though!   :ahhh

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on February 14, 2018, 10:13:11 AM
(https://hips.hearstapps.com/amv-prod-cad-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/images/16q2/667339/2019-rolls-royce-cullinan-25-cars-worth-waiting-for-feature-car-and-driver-photo-667686-s-original.jpg?crop=1xw:1xh;center,center&resize=900:*)

Rolls-Royce Cullinan

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/02/13/12/492AAA1B00000578-5385829-image-a-3_1518526452410.jpg)

For forum owners mainly

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/2019-rolls-royce-cullinan-25-cars-worth-waiting-for-feature

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/cars/article-5385829/Rolls-Royce-names-Cullinan-SUV-3106-carat-jewel.html
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 14, 2018, 01:38:47 PM
At what point does an off roader become far too valuable to get dirty? 

We have recently been discussing the Jaguar F-Pace and how it is priced quite reasonably versus the new Jeeps.  Locally the replacement for my Jeep (new model with the same specs) would cost almost $55,000 CAN, while one can get a reasonably well appointed Jaguar F-Pace for more than $10k less at $43,995.  My question then is, who would buy a Jeep given that option?  I mean, the Jag is a Jag, which currently is ranked as one of the brands with the highest levels of quality in the world, it is more fuel efficient and has a higher towing capacity.

Jeep on the other hand is well known for being a money pit at best, made from the cheapest components possible and assembled by folks who are barely literate.

Megan had one point to make about that in the Jeep's favor, and that is that a Jeep with a few scratches is respectable, while a Jag with a few scratches is worthless.  And, I hate to say it, but she is right on that point, but then how few of either will ever see any more than a dirt road?  Of course, for an extra $10k, you can get an awful lot of small dent repairs and repaints done.

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on February 14, 2018, 01:55:54 PM
Where is Jag ranked, independently (not in a publication they pay for ads)  as one of the brands with the highest levels of quality in the world?  Unless this was tongue in cheek. :)  (They are in the same group as Land rover)

http://www.jdpower.com/cars/Jaguar/F-PACE/2017

http://www.jdpower.com/cars/study/2017-Initial-Quality-Study/2410ENG/Midsize-SUV/1085

The F-Pace is last in initial quality (a good sign of problems to come) and is even beaten by the LR Discovery sport:

http://www.jdpower.com/cars/study/2017-Initial-Quality-Study/2410ENG/Compact-Premium-SUV/1080



Definitely has more prestige as a soft roader, and you can say "get the Jag" 
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on March 11, 2018, 08:22:53 PM
Used as a towing vehicle
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Smashie on March 11, 2018, 10:10:39 PM
At what point does an off roader become far too valuable to get dirty? 

We have recently been discussing the Jaguar F-Pace and how it is priced quite reasonably versus the new Jeeps.  Locally the replacement for my Jeep (new model with the same specs) would cost almost $55,000 CAN, while one can get a reasonably well appointed Jaguar F-Pace for more than $10k less at $43,995.  My question then is, who would buy a Jeep given that option?  I mean, the Jag is a Jag, which currently is ranked as one of the brands with the highest levels of quality in the world, it is more fuel efficient and has a higher towing capacity.

Jeep on the other hand is well known for being a money pit at best, made from the cheapest components possible and assembled by folks who are barely literate.

Megan had one point to make about that in the Jeep's favor, and that is that a Jeep with a few scratches is respectable, while a Jag with a few scratches is worthless.  And, I hate to say it, but she is right on that point, but then how few of either will ever see any more than a dirt road?  Of course, for an extra $10k, you can get an awful lot of small dent repairs and repaints done.

Def

Well the Rolls isn't out yet (I don't think) and I'm going to ignore new cars purely because of depreciation. So a quick search landed this (https://preowned.bentleymotors.com/gb/en/stock/bentley/bentayga/w12-t7bltft). Not at all expensive for what is basically an Audi Q7  :rofl:

Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: gregozedobe on March 12, 2018, 02:30:45 AM
Where is Jag ranked, independently (not in a publication they pay for ads)  as one of the brands with the highest levels of quality in the world?  Unless this was tongue in cheek. :)  (They are in the same group as Land rover)

http://www.jdpower.com/cars/Jaguar/F-PACE/2017

http://www.jdpower.com/cars/study/2017-Initial-Quality-Study/2410ENG/Midsize-SUV/1085

The F-Pace is last in initial quality (a good sign of problems to come) and is even beaten by the LR Discovery sport:

http://www.jdpower.com/cars/study/2017-Initial-Quality-Study/2410ENG/Compact-Premium-SUV/1080

Definitely has more prestige as a soft roader, and you can say "get the Jag"

I'm with DKS on this issue.  In some recent road tests I've read the testers express surprise if a new Jag can get through a relatively short road test (ie days, not weeks) without a significant failure/QC issue.  And these are cars that have been specially prepared for a road test, so presumably better than the examples sold to the public !    IMO they currently fall into the "nice to drive but horrible to own" category (rather like 70's Alfa Romeos).
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on March 12, 2018, 02:09:06 PM
Well, that's it, I finally found what it takes to stop my Koleos.  Turns out it's axle deep packed snow.  Not soft enough to ignore and push through, but not hard enough to support the weight of the car. :-[  About half an hour of digging and lot of pushing from my mates and we were free and clear and looking for somewhere else to park. :D
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on March 24, 2018, 06:23:48 PM
https://youtu.be/hwqLyJofcIQ

a LR for forum owners
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 24, 2018, 07:49:22 PM
His biggest complaints about it seem to all fall into the category of "driving this truck feels like driving a [/i]truck[/i].  To me, that's exactly what driving a truck should feel like, but many automotive critics and reviewers want a 2 and a half tonne SUV to ride and handle like like a Ferrari 458, and that's just not going to happen.

This is the problem with truck reviews done by European journalists- there just isn't the same truck culture over there as here, and so they always seem to come off poorly.  For example, see everything James May or Jeremy Clarkson have ever said about the Ford F-150.   :facepalm:

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on March 25, 2018, 04:16:22 PM
The reviewer and many of the UK reviewers are/sound like generally middle/upper class lot with not much experience in trucks. Only R.  Hammond seems to have some farm experience and he loves pick-ups and offroaders

Most regular Europeans are used to smaller diesel pick-ups, rather than the huge V8 US ones (3L engines max), It is not just the size and the economy, they will not really fit/turn in many roads and off road tracks, whereas they do not seem to be able to carry (not tow) that much more weight - a regular pick-up here can carry just under a tonne

I do however see the point that such an expensive car is unlikely to be purchased by a hard core truck guy (same with the AMG G-Wagens)  so the Russian/Canadian billionaire's ladyfriend driving this will expect it to be more car like.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: ezdog on March 25, 2018, 05:07:57 PM
Toyin & Towin

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180325/35018adfee31e9a51c467ad8b278460b.jpg)


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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on March 27, 2018, 02:13:56 PM
I've spent time in massive old F-150's and I get the attraction.

Mid-70's to mid-90's politics determined what we could buy, but I very much doubt anything American can compete with a Land Cruiser when it comes to durability in our terrain

We call them "bakkies" (plural), and we have a bakkie-culture, no doubt, the ultimate family car here is a double cab Toyota Hilux.  That said, I still do not get the need for anything bigger.......except in Texas where everything is bigger  :whistle:
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 27, 2018, 03:46:54 PM
Know where the name "Land Cruiser" came from?   >:D

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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on March 27, 2018, 03:58:58 PM
Know where the name "Land Cruiser" came from?   >:D

Def

No........but I would love to....  >:D

A contractor at the mine where I used to work told me that they occasionally used Land Cruisers (4.2D non-turbo) to transport smaller loads to another site, if the load was on the heavy side the LC would get worse fuel consumption than a full-size link truck  :facepalm:
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 27, 2018, 04:10:16 PM
The truck you know as the Land Cruiser was originally a cheap copy of a Jeep and it was called... and I swear I am not making this up.... the BJ.

Jeep sued Toyota, claiming that the name was too close to the CJ, which was quite popular at the time, which is, of course, why Toyota wanted to copy it.  Jeep won the lawsuit and Toyota was forced to change the name, and, since they were no longer allowed to copy Jeep, they decided to copy Land Rover instead and came up with Land Cruiser.

So one could say that nowadays you can't get a BJ because Toyota gave up too easily and moved on....  :facepalm:

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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on March 28, 2018, 08:29:00 AM
 :rofl:

I'm sure you're all familiar with the FJ Cruiser?

In my home language the acronym fits very nicely with the general attitude of their owners.  Translated to english it would be called the FU Cruiser  :facepalm:
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 28, 2018, 01:24:13 PM
That's hilarious!

It always amused me that Jeep was upset over the BJ name, but they are perfectly ok with FJ.   :think:

Is it because it is further away in the alphabet?

Over here the Jeep guys say FJ stands for Fake Jeep, but I think your translation is much funnier!

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Post by: ThePeacent on March 28, 2018, 05:36:19 PM
I thought that FJ stood for "For Jerks",
seems appropriate
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on March 29, 2018, 08:59:40 AM
Well....not to be a downer, but there's currently a court case for the first charge of murder ever following a car accident.....

You guessed it, FJ Cruiser.

European tourists in the other vehicle, only one girl survived from a whole family, in the FJ unfortunately the driver was the sole survivor and the cause of the accident.  >:(

I don't dislike the look, even though they are capable, they are utterly impractical........if they get used as intended they need a roofrack by default to carry what is needed....


I find it ironic that FJ Cruiser owners seem to be the same across the globe  :think:

 :rofl:
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 06, 2018, 01:39:37 AM
While my Jeep is in the body shop getting a new tailgate after my accident almost three months ago I have been given a new SUV to drive.  It's a Toyota RAV4.   :facepalm:

What a piece of junk.

It feels extremely flimsy, but then, I do normally drive a Jeep with very big, heavy tires, so that might explain some of it.  The 80's sci fi interior design and dash panel doesn't really appeal to me either.  It has all of the acceleration of an anemic turd, and the switches and buttons feel like they were recycled off an Atari 2600.

If I was test driving this thing, I not only wouldn't buy it, but I'd also return it and leave as quickly as humanly possible.

Two things I do like about it though- the backup camera that I always wished I'd had in my Jeep, and the funky G sensor thing in the dash.  But, I have bought a cheap Android head unit to put in the Jeep and a Bluetooth OBDII plug with Torque so that should pretty well give me all of that soon.

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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on April 06, 2018, 11:11:30 AM
I was in a Toyota dealership several years.........when the RAV's started going really soft....

It was always an expensive vehicle, but what got me were the service costs of the new model......that was just before Service Plans started becoming a norm.

My previous vehicle was a 1997 3-Door RAV4.........JDM grey import.

If there was hope for the planet, people would've realised how unbelievably great the RAV4 was, and we'd still be able to buy an original slightly improved RAV4 today.

If I could buy a 1998 RAV4 new today I'd take it with the 2.0L guzzler and all  :salute:  :like:
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Post by: dks on April 10, 2018, 02:56:44 PM
playing in the mud (clay, slippery, sticky)
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on April 10, 2018, 03:20:47 PM
During our last fishing trip I asked my buddy about his Pajero, it's a 3.2D 5 door of the model that followed yours, very basic ex-rental vehicle that he bought 2nd hand 8 years ago.

Did several trips with him in that Pajero, and IMHO there is very little on the road that can touch it for space, practicality, economy and offroad ability  :salute:
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Post by: dks on April 10, 2018, 04:57:26 PM
You rich people with your newer models.. :)
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Post by: dks on May 25, 2018, 06:34:29 PM
Went for a quick off-road drive

Someone cleaned one of my off roading steep roads with a caterpillar, removing many of the "steps" but making it full of loose rocks in deep holes   :rant:

It was still fun, and stopping for photographs meant there was a lot of cliff edge spinning and sliding to get moving
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Post by: Gareth on May 26, 2018, 12:13:12 AM
Still looks like a fun day out.  :tu:
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Post by: dks on June 02, 2018, 06:13:39 PM
https://youtu.be/ukKKzhBV8TI
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Post by: ThundahBeagle on June 10, 2018, 06:48:40 PM
She's...DEAD, Jim...

I was under my 1993 Chevy big K1500  Blazer yesterday. I needed to install a new cat-back exhaust. The old tailpipe and elbow that ran up over the rear axle was just swinging like a monkey on a vine. And the Cherry Bomb had just about had it.

After pulling out the old elbow and tail pipe, I saw it. The frame had cracked just in front of the rear leaf spring shackle. On both sides of the frame. This holds the rear bumper on, and is also the part of the frame to which the tow hitch attaches. And of course, the rear of the back leaf springs.

Instead of everything bolting to the frame securely, everything that was bolted to the frame is keeping it in place. But it isn't just a crack.  There's about an inch of separation. If I had a shop and was a really good welder, I'd cut the back half off of a new doner truck. But I dont. And I'm not.

So I quit working on it immediately,  returned the exhaust and clamps to the auto parts store, and got a credit towards the battery and cable I needed to get the old Jeep Grand Cherokee started. It does start now, but it not yet registered,  so I will be riding my late '90's Mongoose 21 speed mountain bike the 9 miles to work tomorrow.  Then back.

It is indeed a sad day for Blazer enthusiasts. These are my favorite. My avatar is a picture of my dog - Scout the ThundahBeagle - inside this very Blazer, looking eagerly forward to adventure yet to come.

This is painful.
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Post by: dks on June 11, 2018, 06:22:55 PM
Tata moving production of their LR Discovery to Slovakia

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44438846
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Post by: SteveC on June 11, 2018, 07:57:10 PM
That's sad news Thundah !   :(
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Post by: dks on June 11, 2018, 08:36:38 PM
Not for Slovakia :)

VAG also make cars there too.
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Post by: dks on June 12, 2018, 05:55:37 PM
Looks interesting if they can get the Jaguar/LR internal electrics to work well

https://youtu.be/KISOPE5hA4w
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Post by: dks on July 04, 2018, 09:35:07 PM
So, Fiat who is in the same group as jeep and ram needs to rebadge a mitsubishi to get a pickup truck.....  Maybe it will be the new jeep pickup truck in the states next year...

https://youtu.be/_v9Ti1hl1mQ
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 05, 2018, 01:24:00 PM
If they want to try and sell it in Europe then the rebadged Mitsubishi makes more sense than importing the Ram.  Rams are very large vehicles and I would imagine they would be very awkward to try and drive in many parts of Europe once you get off the motorways.

Dodge used to make a smaller pickup called the Dakota but that was discontinued a few years ago.

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Post by: dks on July 05, 2018, 01:26:28 PM
Italian style with Japanese reliability... it may work.

I think RAM had a more normal sized pickup too.  i rmemeber seeing it in some places in europe, but I do not recall he model.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 06, 2018, 01:23:31 AM
I don't know about Europe but here they had the Dakota pickup for many years.  It was discontinued in 2011, although as usual, there are rumors of bringing it back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Dakota

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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 16, 2018, 10:04:29 AM
I've grown to love my little Suzuki, and it's simplicity definitely has advantages, purchase price and cheap maintenance is about to become relevant issues in my life again.....
 :facepalm:
That said, I wish I could buy it's grandson, or great-grandson, not sure which: http://www.globalsuzuki.com/automobile/lineup/jimny/index.html   :drool:

I'm just hooked by the looks of the mini-G-wagon  :tu:

 :dd:

Oh well, other people wish they had food, so  :waving:
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Post by: Gareth on August 16, 2018, 12:14:28 PM
I've grown to love my little Suzuki, and it's simplicity definitely has advantages, purchase price and cheap maintenance is about to become relevant issues in my life again.....
 :facepalm:
That said, I wish I could buy it's grandson, or great-grandson, not sure which: http://www.globalsuzuki.com/automobile/lineup/jimny/index.html   :drool:

I'm just hooked by the looks of the mini-G-wagon  :tu:

 :dd:

Oh well, other people wish they had food, so  :waving:

Oh, is that a new version of the Jimny?  Looks a lot less cute than I remember.   :tu:
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on August 16, 2018, 01:34:32 PM
That  is a nice looking rig indeed- very much like a mini G Wagon!  I like it a lot!

Too bad the Jimny has never been officially imported into North America.  I'll bet most people here have never even heard of that model.
 
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Post by: ezdog on August 16, 2018, 01:54:30 PM
Recently sold this

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180816/9eef6981271ebb9ed56b2d9ce72dba85.jpg)

And bought this

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180816/cfbc08ccc4ebbf2e70a7734bd1c579ca.jpg)

Amazing how much more roomy and solid the Cruiser feels than the 4runner to me!
Same basic drivetrain too but again the Cruiser is just more refined all around in use.
The thing is a BEAST though!


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Post by: Gareth on August 16, 2018, 01:56:08 PM
 :tu:
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Post by: ezdog on August 16, 2018, 02:05:38 PM
The truck you know as the Land Cruiser was originally a cheap copy of a Jeep and it was called... and I swear I am not making this up.... the BJ.

Jeep sued Toyota, claiming that the name was too close to the CJ, which was quite popular at the time, which is, of course, why Toyota wanted to copy it.  Jeep won the lawsuit and Toyota was forced to change the name, and, since they were no longer allowed to copy Jeep, they decided to copy Land Rover instead and came up with Land Cruiser.

So one could say that nowadays you can't get a BJ because Toyota gave up too easily and moved on....  :facepalm:

Def

Amusing but not entirely accurate either although the name is!
Classic too.

Toyota was commissioned to build a Willys knockoff by the U.S. Government of all sources after the Korean Conflict and that is how the CJ was cloned into the "BJ".

Bizarre story for sure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Land_Cruiser
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 16, 2018, 03:06:08 PM
1500 motor and lots of electronic gizmos like the big boys........but check some of the videos, Zook driving around in gutters seemingly as deep as the car is high!  :cheers:
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 16, 2018, 03:16:24 PM
That  is a nice looking rig indeed- very much like a mini G Wagon!  I like it a lot!

Too bad the Jimny has never been officially imported into North America.  I'll bet most people here have never even heard of that model.
 
Def

Serious?  :think:

But they did sell the SJ/Samurai in the US  :think:  My zook is basically a SJ413 with a more modern engine and 5-spd gearbox......less some refinement and build quality since it comes from India (Maruti)

Two of the best SJ rebuilds I followed are both in the US....
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on August 18, 2018, 03:47:09 AM
Yes the Samurai was sold here but it wasn't that popular, and they were discontinued long ago- mid to late 80's maybe?

Sadly they suffered badly from rust and there was a very persistent rumor that they would roll over easily in a turn and so folks really didn't buy too many of them.  The Tracker/Sidekick was much more popular when it debuted, as was the Vitara that it eventually morphed into, but even those are long gone.  I don't think they survived too long into the new millennium.

I had an '87 GMC rebranded Tracker in the late 90's.  It had 300,000kms on it and had been left out in the weather for months with no top on it.  I picked it up for $400 and put a lot of work into rebuilding the body before it was stolen.  It didn't have anywhere near the power that my Jeeps do, but then it also didn't have the weight!  Man we punished that thing and it kept coming back for more.  That little 1.3L sewing machine under the hood was a lot tougher than anyone gave it credit for!

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Post by: dks on September 04, 2018, 09:45:49 AM
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Post by: dks on September 04, 2018, 10:03:19 AM
Did quite a bit of driving over prety rough dirt trucks, nothing that necessitated low gear, but rough roads used by offroaders/tractors, with sharp stones, rocks in the middle and so on. The car coped very well, and the ground clearance was beter than I expected. My main worry was the stree based tyres.

The car was getting dirty daily for several weeks
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Post by: dks on September 10, 2018, 06:44:35 PM
https://youtu.be/TOweeVYkyps
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Post by: dks on September 28, 2018, 05:30:19 PM
https://youtu.be/rjYdnCYbEPA

New Suzuki Jimny - I like it
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 28, 2018, 06:19:24 PM
The Jimny looks really cool.  I wish we got them here.  I feel like they would be very popular.

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Post by: dks on September 28, 2018, 06:26:56 PM
ladder frame...  :)
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Post by: Smashie on September 28, 2018, 08:37:03 PM
I do like the little Suzukis, this one I saw last year and it's pretty serious

(https://image.ibb.co/cRcTcU/20160918_112811755_i_OS.jpg)
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on November 27, 2018, 10:05:09 AM
https://youtu.be/rjYdnCYbEPA

New Suzuki Jimny - I like it

This one hurts a bit, I'm less likely than ever to own one, but there are few things I've wanted more  :facepalm:

My buddy got his yesterday, will find out soon but my only hope is that I don't fit in it properly.....
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Post by: matzesu on September 08, 2019, 11:18:46 AM
Some more Unimog Pix:
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Post by: Gareth on September 08, 2019, 05:56:23 PM
That's an awesome machine. 8)  I'm not sure what my neighbours would say if I had one parked in my driveway though.  :D
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Post by: Gareth on September 08, 2019, 06:00:47 PM
Funny that this thread got bumped as I've just started looking at options to replace my Renault.  Not that I don't still love it, but it's getting long in the tooth and is started to need some big repairs.  :-\  I've been looking at a few options but not found anything to quite fit my list of wants.
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Post by: matzesu on September 08, 2019, 07:48:00 PM
That's an awesome machine. 8)  I'm not sure what my neighbours would say if I had one parked in my driveway though.  :D

I think we didn’t care much what our neighbors think,
They are mowing there meadows to often (whe have more a sort of a „Nature Garden „ In which every insect can find something as whe are also Beecepers..



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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on October 11, 2019, 08:22:50 AM
I was just reminded posting in another thread....

Three weeks ago the local Suzuki dealer organized a little event during an open day at a fishing club.
Ask not why, but the fishing club has a little 4x4 track behind the club house.

The dealership brought a near standard Gypsy, previous generation Jimny in manual and an automatic 2019 Jimny.

My friend was there with his manual 2019 Jimny and ended up showing the dealership staff how to setup the car properly for low range offroading.

We went through with his Jimny first, then I took my Gypsy through and finished off the new auto Jimny.

Simply put, that little car is spectacular offroad, my opinion and the general consensus is it's almost too easy  :hatsoff:

The dealership compiled a little video with some action shots, only on Facebook but I'll post a link for those that do....
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on October 15, 2019, 10:50:31 AM
Let's see if it works...

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=520372848532270&id=128859761016916 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=520372848532270&id=128859761016916)
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Post by: Gareth on October 15, 2019, 02:47:33 PM
Let's see if it works...

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=520372848532270&id=128859761016916 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=520372848532270&id=128859761016916)

Yeah, works for me.  :)  Looks like a great way to spend a day.  I hear nothing but good things about the Jimny as an off-roader. 
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Post by: Gareth on October 15, 2019, 07:22:04 PM
Funny that this thread got bumped as I've just started looking at options to replace my Renault.  Not that I don't still love it, but it's getting long in the tooth and is started to need some big repairs.  :-\  I've been looking at a few options but not found anything to quite fit my list of wants.

Ended up getting myself a Ford Kuga (Escape in the US).  Definitely not a serious off-roader but should be more than capable of the farm tracks, muddy fields and snowy roads I deal with. 
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Post by: BadMechanic on October 15, 2019, 09:41:50 PM
My F350 crew cab with 8ft bed is mighty long, so I cant take it on serious trails.

But the winter months give my 4x4 a workout.
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Post by: chip on October 15, 2019, 09:54:22 PM
I have had my 15 year old terrano2 for ten years. I Bought it after a couple of bad winters where my van would get stuck all to easy in the ice and snow.  In the last ten years my main hobbies have been airgun target shooting, mountainbiking and metal detecting for all of which the 4 wheel drive has proved useful.
Especially the metal detecting as it regularly takes me across farmers fields.

It’s still in great condition apart from someone hitting it and driving off last year cracking the front bumper.
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on October 16, 2019, 08:32:29 AM
Yeah, works for me.  :)  Looks like a great way to spend a day.  I hear nothing but good things about the Jimny as an off-roader.

From some videos I watched, a few inches lift and slightly larger wheels makes it unstoppable.

It's very easy to underestimate these little cars, I went with my friend in the blue Jimny first, and looking at the track I was a bit apprehensive, but I went through so easy, only spun a bit once and had to get a bit more momentum going to get through.

I would love a new Jimny, but the way my career is going I don't dare make that much debt, I paid off my Gypsy with part of my redundancy package, and baring accidents it should outlast me...... :whistle: 
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Post by: Gareth on September 18, 2020, 02:58:39 PM
Ended up getting myself a Ford Kuga (Escape in the US).  Definitely not a serious off-roader but should be more than capable of the farm tracks, muddy fields and snowy roads I deal with.

Ah, nearly a year on and I still miss my old Koleos. Not that I have anything against the Kuga mind you.  It's been absolutely fine.  Just a lot more run-of-the-mill and hard to spot in the supermarket car park.  ;)


On the up side I went to see how much it had depreciated in the last year and was a little surprised to see the prices have going up.  If I wanted to my my exact car today (same year, trim, mileage etc) I'd have to spend around £2000 more than I did last year! More 2020 madness I suppose.
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Post by: Myron on September 18, 2020, 04:00:47 PM
I've owned Range Rover, Suzuki, Toyota, Land Rover, and Isuzu 4x4's across 30 years.   I finally broke down and bought a Jeep Wrangler, and we're very pleased so far.  3,000 miles on it without a check engine light -- could be a Jeep record?  ;)


I still have my Land Rover, which is in its 26th year of ownership with me.  We recently sold a 5th gen 4Runner, which was brilliant and competent but didn't have much personality.  Wifey's driving an X3, which hardly counts, but is still useful for just-barely-off-the-beaten-path camping and exploration.

Here's my old 4Runner, which I sold to a friend:

(https://i.imgur.com/NPjHdon.jpg)


And my old Rover on a garden store run a few years ago:

(https://i.imgur.com/Y3BWtKV.jpg)
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Post by: old Lefty on September 18, 2020, 04:37:41 PM
^
Bible and sword! That Landy is a true looker!


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Post by: dks on October 17, 2020, 10:16:32 PM
New model, new quality?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtdBunnvnq4&t=178s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBVZyvfiqKw&t=0s

and this is the basic model, with the least electronics
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Post by: Sea Monster on October 17, 2020, 11:11:36 PM
Ah....replying to 2 year old posts....


Regional naming habits make it a bit hard to keep track of things...

The 4Runner was usually a grey import into Australia - a popular choice as it used the beloved Hilux Chassis with a wagon body (lately replaced with the Fortuna)

Locally the Prado is not considered a "true" landcruiser, due to being offered in the smaller size and engine capacity, but a hugely popular option with the wealthier families who want reasonable off road and towing ability, but marginally easier parking in shopping centres :P (which, given that they probably do a lot more parking in shopping centres than 4WDing is probably fair)

the bigger Landies (70 Series, and the 60-80-100-200 series) are considered the kings of the road, and a kitted out 70 is the "Default" dream of any true off roader - although as often as not as much ability can be had for a quarter of the price.

Until recently, American trucks were not available here, so Landcruisers or Nissan Patrols were what you got if you meant business (my understanding is that Patrols are not broadly distributed in the USA?)

If you want to kill some time, go to any Australian 4x4 forum and say "GQs are better than 80 Series" or "80 Series is better than GQ" and watch the ensuing pointless arguments over two cars that are both (or were) top notch.

They still fetch an absolute premium second hand due mostly to their reputation, but occasionally due to their actual quality. Most are flogged out by now....


Anyway, what I really wanted to discuss was the Jimny/Sierra!

They were pulled from the local market a few years ago due to no longer meeting our safety requirements for new vehicles (given that Suzuki had not updated the design much in decades) until the 2019 one struck!

but...here's the thing, (and this is a counterpoint to something someone wrote about bigger tyres and lift kits ets) - the Sierra/Jimny's main selling point was that is was simple mechanically, and had smurf all mass, and was a cheap entry -  You didn't NEED to upgrade anything, because it would just hop bounce and skip over any problems - as soon as you start "kitting" them out, they lose their charm and use, heavier suspension, dual batteries, roof storage, big wheels/tyres - all of a sudden you've got a tiny, heavy, underpowered shopping trolley.


I have not had the opportunity to test drive the new model yet, but I fear for all that it looks like a baby jeep or G wagon, it has stepped aside from its roots, or rather, has tried to keep it's roots, but also tried (be have been required) to add a variety of modern upgrades, so you've got a car that is sort of okay at a few things, rather than excellent at one or two things.

Thanks to demand, the current price to get a 2019 Jimny is silly for what it is supposed to be (Cheap adolescent fun), you can get any number of far more comfortable and featured, and likely only marginally less capable off road vehicles for the same dollars.



Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on October 18, 2020, 08:02:17 PM
I'd have to check but I've been told the new Jimny was pulled from the UK market due to not meeting emission standards.  There is definitely at lest a couple on the roads near me though. 
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on April 06, 2021, 06:42:46 PM
First purpose built from the start electric Truck by a major manufacturer

https://youtu.be/afLJtfzBhpc
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 07, 2021, 12:09:13 PM
I would absolutely be in for one if it wasn't six figures.   :facepalm:

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on April 07, 2021, 12:22:09 PM
It is the first electric vehicle that interested me. Six figures is nothing for the MTO CEO.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 07, 2021, 03:49:54 PM
You have vastly overestimated the value of the MTO CEO, unless there is another one that I don't know about!

I am also very interested in the electric Ford F150 that is coming next year, but again, $100,000+ is a bit of a turnoff.  Hell, until the pandemic hit and property values skyrocketed, you could buy a house here for $100k.

Starting the day with a fully charged vehicle really appeals to me, especially with the price of fuel at the moment.

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on April 07, 2021, 05:57:54 PM
I like the fact that it is purely designed to be electric- no petrol powered vehicle converted to be electric, with all the compromises of building a body/frame that can take both electric motors and petrol engines.

 I am sure the prices will come down when they reach the market, and you also have government subsidies, company discounts and so on
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: ezdog on April 07, 2021, 10:53:18 PM
I like the fact that it is purely designed to be electric- no petrol powered vehicle converted to be electric, with all the compromises of building a body/frame that can take both electric motors and petrol engines.

 I am sure the prices will come down when they reach the market, and you also have government subsidies, company discounts and so on

So exactly how will we deal with running out of juice in the middle of the work day and having to wait around to recharge?

You have to admit that the Toyota Hybrid design is really pretty exceptional and seems to me to not suffer any real utility for having both types of motor on board and the continuous use thing is a pretty big hit against pure electric at least for my daily use.
The Prius has also tuned out to be one of the most reliable of all Toyotas for a while now too.

So I read and hear about the EV all the time but have never seen a realistic solution to this?
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on April 08, 2021, 07:31:21 AM
You get 350 miles of claimed range, so it will all depend on how much you travel daily.

There is fast charging and now there are companies that will enable you to change your flat batteries with full ones, in I think 10 minutes at special stations.

Hybrids are good in the city but tests show them using up more fuel when they run out of battery power or used in motorways or for fast driving.

I am quite happy with normal petrol/diesel engines, but will consider full electric in the future, if they build a good/cheap one.


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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 08, 2021, 11:00:12 AM
Not to derail this, but, in the case of the Prius, I feel like Toyota designers were challenged to make the most godawful, ugliest car they could come up with, and still have it look more or less car-like.

Then when it came time to redesign it, they got the design team really, really drunk and said "now, how do we make it even more hideous?"

I also spotted a first generation Honda Insight a few days ago, still on the road and still running.  It was the first one I have seen in a while.  The design looks dated, but it still looks nice.  How it lost out to the Prius is beyond me.

Anyways, yeah, there will be issues with electrics, especially in an area like mine where the electrical grid is powered somewhat by coal, negating any environmental benefits.  And yes, I realize battery production has its own significant challenges as well, but in the end, I really hate being a slave to oil prices.  It bothers me that, at the whim of someone on the other side of the planet, it costs me more to go to work.  I hate having to stay at home because fuel costs are up and I can't do the things I need or want to do because it just costs too bloody much.

And yes, I see all of you in Europe rolling your eyes at me for complaining about fuel prices, when yours are twice what ours are!

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on April 08, 2021, 11:36:34 AM
..and wages are lower too :) 

Once most cars are electric the governments will need to get taxes from somewhere, so they will tax electricity accordingly. Our electricity prices fluctuate depending on oil prices anyway.

Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: ezdog on April 08, 2021, 12:52:38 PM
So nothing at all regarding the practical implications of the dead battery while you still need to drive.

Right now if I need to wait for something on my car to keep me going that is considered a breakdown and I have to get it fixed as soon as possible to get back to work. :whistle:

So from just a more practical point of view having a Hybrid drivetrain can simply keep me going but no matter how fast a charge on an EV I will need to stop somewhere to wait for it to take place.

I am not arguing the need just trying to grasp the way this can work? :dunno:

You get 350 miles of claimed range, so it will all depend on how much you travel daily.

There is fast charging and now there are companies that will enable you to change your flat batteries with full ones, in I think 10 minutes at special stations.

Hybrids are good in the city but tests show them using up more fuel when they run out of battery power or used in motorways or for fast driving.

I am quite happy with normal petrol/diesel engines, but will consider full electric in the future, if they build a good/cheap one.


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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on April 08, 2021, 01:21:47 PM
I think the days of every single vehicle being fully electric are still quite a way off.  As ezdog says; some trips are simply longer than any single battery can be expected to manage.  Until every single parking bay at every single service station is a charging point you'll absolutely need some other source of power. 

Another point I've wondered about and never had a good answer too; what if you aren't fortunate enough to have a driveway or garage?  Is every single home going to be offered somewhere they can be guaranteed to be able to plug in every night?  What if you are a two car household?  :shrug:

I am absolutely fine with the idea of full EV vehicles for where they are a practical option but until the infrastructure is there I don't think they can be for everyone.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on April 08, 2021, 01:48:51 PM
One of the main issues of Hybrids and to a lesser extend electric vehicles is the way their drivers are portrayed.  Southpark and Family guy have done some shows on that.

Some of this is true, as you discover if you drive behind a hybrid diver, going slowly, looking at the green recharge screen instead of the road... Even worse if you are in the car with them, when they try to make you look at the screens too, convinced that the energy that recharges their battery as they stop early is free, ignoring the fact that if they were actually going a bit faster and managed to go through the green light they would not have had to stop and collect "free" energy.

We need a hugely green energy source and a production of electric cars that is also hugely green, and cheaper in the long run.

Buy what you want.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: pfrsantos on April 08, 2021, 02:03:48 PM
Yeah, electric cars...

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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: ezdog on April 08, 2021, 02:06:17 PM
OMG!

As long as you don't profile EV drivers I think we might survive this?

This was a stereotype maybe in the early years and as you suggest fostered on some comedy shows but is hardly the way it is any more that I can tell.

This is pretty much like suggesting that everyone who drives a big truck is compensating for manly insecurities.

Have you ever driven a Prius?
They are pretty insanely Powerful and really Zippy despite the crazy weight load of the batteries.

I sure drove the heck out of mine!

One of the main issues of Hybrids and to a lesser extend electric vehicles is the way their drivers are portrayed.  Southpark and Family guy have done some shows on that.

Some of this is true, as you discover if you drive behind a hybrid diver, going slowly, looking at the green recharge screen instead of the road... Even worse if you are in the car with them, when they try to make you look at the screens too, convinced that the energy that recharges their battery as they stop early is free, ignoring the fact that if they were actually going a bit faster and managed to go through the green light they would not have had to stop and collect "free" energy.

We need a hugely green energy source and a production of electric cars that is also hugely green, and cheaper in the long run.

Buy what you want.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on April 08, 2021, 02:12:31 PM
Survive what?
The new Hummer is a new 4WD car posted in a thread of 4WD cars for people that are interested in that thing. Some are, some are not.




Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: old Lefty on April 08, 2021, 03:13:41 PM
I'm having huge issues with the current push of hybrid/electric vehicles as green and relevant choices for all.
Having said that, there are hybrids and electric cars that serve a purpose, and very well at that. Some are even cool in my book (Volt, 500e, new Captur, Mercedes's line of e and hybrids).

There also was a 1st gen Prius on our front yard for some time awhile ago. It was a Toyota, so it was 100% reliable. Frugal? Not really.
In commuting it averaged at 4,8 litres/100 km. Don't get me wrong, a decent figure, but frugal? Not really, when a e-class sedan gets the same result and burns diesel. Renault Kadjar is averaging 4,5 again in diesel. Ok, so while considerably roomier and more comfortable than Prius those both are oil burners.
So Prius would fair better when compared to petrol, right? Well, in my/our usage not really. Fiat Punto and 127 both offer similar interior space and comfort levels (ok, granted the 127 is a bit slower and noisier) and average at 5,1 and 4,9. So all and all I would not call Prius frugal, at least in our usage (and small Fiats are pretty much the most fun per buck you can get).
Only time where Prius totally scores on consumption for me was pure, 100% city driving. Dunno, if new gen. plug in Toyotas are  generally better.

But I think I'm digressing, so Hummer. I kinda like it. Would I really buy one? If it is 100k in US it'll be 150 k down here. For that money I'd get a used Silverado or Ram and pocket half of the money for fuel I'm afraid
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: old Lefty on April 08, 2021, 03:15:57 PM
double
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: ezdog on April 08, 2021, 04:15:49 PM
Survive your need to stereotype Hybrid and EV drivers to try to make a point.

People choose these for any number of reasons and while I am with you about the crazies driving among us as you describe I would hardly assign that driving behavior to all who drive the Hybrid or EV cars.

Survive what?
The new Hummer is a new 4WD car posted in a thread of 4WD cars for people that are interested in that thing. Some are, some are not.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on April 08, 2021, 06:40:18 PM
Survive your need to stereotype Hybrid and EV drivers to try to make a point.

People choose these for any number of reasons and while I am with you about the crazies driving among us as you describe I would hardly assign that driving behavior to all who drive the Hybrid or EV cars.


I think any point was made pretty clearly in the past few posts.......
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: ezdog on April 08, 2021, 07:16:36 PM
I think any point was made pretty clearly in the past few posts.......
Which us exactly my point


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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 08, 2021, 07:16:42 PM
Let's take a moment and realize that we don't need to draw a line between members over electric versus internal combustion vehicles.  People are free to drive what they want, and like any other tool, their usefulness varies on what your needs are.

Personally, I want to stop paying exorbitant prices for gasoline, and since brewing my own grain alcohol to run my car on is illegal, I'm willing to explore electricity.

As for having a dead battery, well, you can also have an empty fuel tank.  Yes, a gas can is a lot easier than having someone come out with an industrial inverter to plug into for half an hour... but then ten years ago electric cars were lucky to get 100kms on a charge.  Now, a decade later, we are getting 5 times that.  Is anyone getting 5x the fuel economy they did ten years ago?  I certainly am not....

Electric vehicles are here to stay, but they aren't for everyone.  As technology improves (and it will, remember the cell phone you had ten years ago?) electric cars will take more and more of a share in the market, and internal combustion manufacturers will either adapt or join Blockbuster  in oblivion.

It's not good, it's not bad, it just exists.  If youbwant one, get one, if you don't, don't.  No one is forcing anyone to stray from the internal combustion engine against their will.

Def
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Syncop8r on April 09, 2021, 10:52:26 AM
I saw something about a hydrogen 4WD the other day but I can't remember what the point was.  :think:
Perhaps I didn't even see it and I'm just imagining things again.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on April 09, 2021, 11:28:47 AM
No, you're not wrong.  Hydrogen fuel cell is definitely a thing.  Essentially converts hydrogen into electricity and water.  Zero emissions from the car and quick to refuel (vs charging).  Downside is actually producing the hydrogen.  Hard to do enough and not a very clean process ATM.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Syncop8r on April 09, 2021, 12:32:54 PM
Are we talking Hydrogen Internal Combustion Engine Vehicles or Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicles?

I believe HICEVs have no CO2 emissions but they are not zero-emission because any internal combustion engine (I think?) will produce nitrous oxides, a greenhouse gas:

H2 + O2 + N2 → H2O + NOx

I'm not sure how much though and I know very little about chemistry. I'll add it to my 'things to Google DuckDuckGo list'.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on April 09, 2021, 01:04:02 PM
https://www.hyundai.com/eu/models/nexo.html

Hydrogen SUV - as mentioned previously, making the Hydrogen currently uses a lot of energy
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: ezdog on April 09, 2021, 02:29:39 PM
All I am saying is that painting Hybrid users with a broad Stereotype does no one any good.

There.

Now I am done saying it. :salute:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on June 27, 2021, 03:31:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qhy8rsnOLk

Still making them, new, at least until  next year, when they become Dacias, according to the report
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: old Lefty on June 27, 2021, 04:50:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qhy8rsnOLk

Still making them, new, at least until  next year, when they become Dacias, according to the report
The last bacth they got into local market was in 2010 or thereabouts. We seriously considered buying one. Almost did, but decided on a test drive 1st, luckily. Whilst I've happily spend more than 15 years on Series Land Rovers the ergonomics of the Niva were something else. Not in a good way.
Also the center lock I pushed on just to test refused to disengage..
Needless to say no Niva, but a 2nd hand Freebie instead..

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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on June 27, 2021, 08:09:24 PM
I'll be interested to see if anyone here buys one.  I've got nothing against a bit of retro but this just looks dated. 
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on July 28, 2021, 06:39:03 PM
https://youtu.be/391AsASvmi8
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: pfrsantos on July 30, 2021, 05:43:50 PM
I thought about getting one of those, but they scare me!

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 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: Gareth on July 30, 2021, 11:08:47 PM
 :o :o

Disney's "Cars 4" has taken a very dark turn.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on August 22, 2021, 05:14:35 PM
https://youtu.be/QDFmiWyCQmg

remember this? 4x2....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matra_Rancho
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on November 30, 2021, 02:01:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeACRO3hoek&t=4s&ab_channel=DougDeMuro
Bump

An interesting vehicle.

It appears to work as most newer AWD and 4WD vehicles do, requiring the wheels to spin before the computers do their job.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: old Lefty on November 30, 2021, 03:58:00 PM
^
Interesting. I think the truck did very well with the boots it had on.
I liked the ’as slow as possible’ approach the driver was taking, solid work.
Do wonder about certain aspects though. Dor instance when  steering lock is applied and momentum stops and there is room one does move the wheel etc. (if ol skool tricks still apply that is ;) )


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Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: cody6268 on December 04, 2021, 04:47:48 AM
https://youtu.be/QDFmiWyCQmg

remember this? 4x2....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matra_Rancho

Oddly enough, like many vehicles, I only knew they existed because Matchbox did the Rancho.
Title: Re: Any Non-Jeepers Out There (4x4s)? :P
Post by: dks on December 06, 2021, 11:18:39 AM
It was reasonably popular in Europe for a few years