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Title: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: rescue4500 on April 27, 2015, 09:35:31 PM
I myself carry a swiss army camper and a gerber crucial... what do you carry? and why? I find the camper with the mini corkscrew driver is great for me bc I wear glasses and the tools are perfect for hiking and I find that the crucial is very light and has a great blade.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Etherealicer on April 27, 2015, 09:57:49 PM
Mostly I go traditional with a Pioneer or a Farmer. There is also a Classic in my mini-FAK.
Also ordered a custom 93mm from Syph which I will call Alpinist, so that will be my future hiking tool.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Zed on April 27, 2015, 10:02:30 PM
I carried a og wave for years,mainly as it was all the tools you might need,these days my swisschamp,why? Because its the champ  :D usually carried in my sos pouch,but i think the spirit will come on my next camping adventure  :salute:
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: cool123 on April 28, 2015, 07:50:04 AM
I am planning to get  this Windlass multitool knife for my outdoor survival trips like camping, trekking, hiking or hunting as well. The multitool is ordered and I am waiting for its delivery and soon be posting the real photos.
Really excited about getting this multi purpose tools.
(http://s29.postimg.org/lsmg56vhj/multi_tool_black_3.jpg)
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Gareth on April 28, 2015, 09:21:56 AM
I tend to go light-ish, not ultra light by any means, but I try not to take the kitchen sink with me either.  With that in mind I normally carry a SAK, something like a Huntsman.  Mind you, there's a very good chance that if I'm camping I'll have an axe, saw and sheath knife on me as well. :D
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Syncop8r on April 28, 2015, 10:54:49 AM
Wenger Ranger: big blade, big saw.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: matzesu on April 28, 2015, 11:10:01 AM
Böker Griplog for the Looking Blade, to cut the  salami for breakfast, and my Swisschamp XLT to open cans, Pull the "Heringe" whit the Multihook, or make some other funny things you only can doo whit a Swiss Army Knife..

I dosnt bother about the Extra Weight, because i weight myself something about 120 Pounts , so one ore two pounts more ore less dosnt matter..

Edit: hobbla, i just miscount my weight, its 60 kg whit clodts (and the Knifes in this cloths)..
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: DazMechanical on April 30, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
LM Rebar and Vic Huntsman is a great camping combo for me! :tu:
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: rescue4500 on April 30, 2015, 01:32:59 PM
LM Rebar and Vic Huntsman is a great camping combo for me! :tu:
   I agree I carried a rebar and camper up until I bought my crucial
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: comis on May 03, 2015, 07:48:07 PM
I usually do carry a Vic OHO Trekker on person during hikes, pretty much all the tools are relevant in a camping/backpacking/hiking trip.  Second choice on person will be something like a beater Huntsman/farmer/Climber.

I genuinely do prefer Vic products over LM products in most outdoor activities, since there is a chance of the tool touching sweat or seawater, and LM products do seem to rust more easy.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: eddie1115 on May 03, 2015, 08:06:44 PM
I like to split it up so I can keep a small tool on me, and keep the rest in my pack.

Lately it's been my SAK Bushcrafter in my pocket and a PST2 in the pack.  Just recently, though, I've been thinking I might need to add scissors to that bushcrafter...
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: AimlessWanderer on May 03, 2015, 09:38:12 PM
It varies as the the hike that's planned. Pocket carry will likely be a SAK or (much as I don't like them) a Juice. Pack carry will vary from sheath knife and possibly something bigger, to Rangergrip 90 or the Bear Grylls survival pack (Strata version). I suppose much like any other day, it depends what I feel like taking at the time
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: strmliner on June 03, 2015, 05:02:45 AM
It's been almost a month on this thread since anyone added to it, but it's a good one.  I get questions all the time about what does one take for their outdoor experience when we talk hiking or camping.

Being old-school from Arizona and Colorado, I'm not fixed in my ways, but I have certain beliefs that haven't been thrown out with the bath water.  One needs a pocket knife and I don't do trekking overnights without a fixed blade.  Hatchets are great, but weight comes into play.  I used to take a pair of pliers in my pack...totally priceless.

I've always got a SAK in my pocket.  From there, I started out many moons ago carrying a Champion and Buck Ranger on my belt for overnight excursions.  Then the Leatherman PST came along and the Champion started staying home.  But when it came down to it, while the PST was initially great, I never bonded with it, so it lives at home now too.  Throughout the 90's I tried different combinations and a few different MT's. 

I still carry the SAK in my pocket; it's not going to be left at home anytime soon.  The Ranger lives at home now...man, do I love the feel of that knife!  So for overnights, I carry a Gerber Strata on the belt and have an assortment of Buck fixed and lock blades for my pack (an old Woodsman, or a BuckLite, or PakLite large, etc).

For the ultalight backpacker this is way too much knife/weight.  For my ultralight friends, they're using a single SAK Classic or Waiter, or maybe a small Benchmade/Spyderco/etc.

Everybody has their comfort level for what to carry outdoors. But over the years, whether day hikes, overnighters, fighting fires, or doing rescues, I've never really been in a situation where I wished I had the right knife or pliers.

Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: claws42 on June 10, 2015, 04:28:54 AM
I usually take a Huntsman, and nothing else - I like to travel as light as possible!
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Huntsman on June 11, 2015, 04:37:50 PM
If you are truly backpacking - ie carrying all your gear from bivvy spot to bivvy spot - you need to be as light as possible.
And why would you need pliers??
I uaually carry a Huntsman - But probably should go smaller.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: eddie1115 on June 11, 2015, 05:14:16 PM
I like pliers for gear repair  (zippers usually), pulling something out of a fire, and heavy duty tweezer work.  If I'm worried about weight for longer trips, I might substitute a Style PS is place of a PST 2, but I do still like having some type of pliers.  I guess getting used to having them on me when I'm not in the woods, I just expect them to be there.
Also, I checked, and the SAK Bushcrafter plus Style PS is still under 4 oz (108g), pretty close to the Huntsman.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Megan on June 12, 2015, 12:51:31 AM
Mind the photo. I was exhausted from hiking that day.
I like the Vic OHT.

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Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: getahl on June 12, 2015, 06:10:43 PM
I like my Hiker, although I have a Rucksack en route that I'm looking forward to.

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Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Corwyn on June 12, 2015, 06:18:07 PM
Vic Spirit X and Vic OHT.

The Spirit is lightweight and has everything I could use (in a lockable design). Maybe it doesn't really inspire mountaineering, but the thing is so strong and trustworthy, I want pliers that won't bent, saw that won't curve, strong prybar/chisel etc.
OHT I carry mostly for back-up, woodsy looks, back-up for the Spirit and well ... self defense... wouldn't help much against a bear but might dissuade a roaming hobo...
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Philby on June 12, 2015, 09:38:41 PM
Mind the photo. I was exhausted from hiking that day.
I like the Vic OHT.

(https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11218174_10100610220605759_3635048934205518020_n.jpg?oh=2b9f578338b8abb3cb16b507ef3e78ac&oe=55FDC403)
I don't mind the photo!
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Syncop8r on June 12, 2015, 11:08:24 PM
Mind the photo. I was exhausted from hiking that day.
I like the Vic OHT.

(https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11218174_10100610220605759_3635048934205518020_n.jpg?oh=2b9f578338b8abb3cb16b507ef3e78ac&oe=55FDC403)
I don't mind the photo!

Yeah, Megan looks more glamorous after hiking for a day than most of us would after a couple of hours in a make-up chair.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: strmliner on June 13, 2015, 01:07:37 AM
I went a a day hike last weekend in NorCal.  In the bottom of my rucksack were my Waiter and a Gerber Clutch (they live in the bottom of the pack).  Together, these weigh about 101g / 3.6oz.

In the pocket of my shorts was a relatively new Compact Stayglow (instead of the Golfer or Cadet I normally EDC).  The Compact weighs about 2.3oz.

The Compact was nice, even used the corkscrew, but I noticed the size and weight compared to the Golfer I would normally carry.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Megan on June 14, 2015, 09:14:56 PM
Mind the photo. I was exhausted from hiking that day.
I like the Vic OHT.

(https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11218174_10100610220605759_3635048934205518020_n.jpg?oh=2b9f578338b8abb3cb16b507ef3e78ac&oe=55FDC403)
I don't mind the photo!

Yeah, Megan looks more glamorous after hiking for a day than most of us would after a couple of hours in a make-up chair.

Ha. Thank you for the compliment.
Next time I am sweaty from hiking and feeling gross- I will try to remember it.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Weasel on June 15, 2015, 07:44:35 PM
Id go with a craftsman  and maybe a Swisstool in my pack


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Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Lynn LeFey on June 19, 2015, 10:58:52 PM
I think for me, it's a different answer depending on whether it's day hiking or backpacking. I'm throwing Hiking and Tramping together... assuming i get the gist of what's meant by tramping.

Hiking... Huntsman.

Backpacking. Mmm... If I have the weight available, I'd go with the Wave. Otherwise, if i felt a need to try to go very light, the Squirt.

I could sit and rethink, and second guess myself on what to take backpacking all day, though.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Syncop8r on June 25, 2015, 11:51:54 AM
I think for me, it's a different answer depending on whether it's day hiking or backpacking. I'm throwing Hiking and Tramping together... assuming i get the gist of what's meant by tramping.

Hiking... Huntsman.

Backpacking. Mmm... If I have the weight available, I'd go with the Wave. Otherwise, if i felt a need to try to go very light, the Squirt.

I could sit and rethink, and second guess myself on what to take backpacking all day, though.

I'm not really sure what backpacking is... here backpackers are (usually) young (and mostly European) tourists travelling the country on the cheap, often in vans.
"In New Zealand a long, vigorous walk or hike is called tramping." (= hiking) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiking

An insight into tramping: http://tramper.nz/
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: enki_ck on June 25, 2015, 01:27:46 PM
For any of it I'd choose the Vic Outrider. Best 111mm SAK ever made. And I only remember one instance of needing pliers in the woods, and that was to disassemble a wire trap set by poachers. (Trapping is highly illegal here.)
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Huntsman on June 25, 2015, 01:31:13 PM
I think for me, it's a different answer depending on whether it's day hiking or backpacking. I'm throwing Hiking and Tramping together... assuming i get the gist of what's meant by tramping.

Hiking... Huntsman.

Backpacking. Mmm... If I have the weight available, I'd go with the Wave. Otherwise, if i felt a need to try to go very light, the Squirt.

I could sit and rethink, and second guess myself on what to take backpacking all day, though.

I'm not really sure what backpacking is... here backpackers are (usually) young (and mostly European) tourists travelling the country on the cheap, often in vans.
"In New Zealand a long, vigorous walk or hike is called tramping." (= hiking) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiking

An insight into tramping: http://tramper.nz/

Ah thanks for taking me on you hiking trips Lynn :D - Can't wait - When and where shall we go?  ???

Backpacking to me has two definitions:

Both have a similarity in that typically they are carrying all their gear in a back pack or rucksack!!

Anyway for that reason Lynn  - I would never carry a Wave backpacking - far too heavy - And don't need pliers - Huntsman again for me!

BTW Lynn - What is you definition of backpacking??
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Lynn LeFey on June 25, 2015, 06:46:50 PM
Backpacking around here is your second definition. Taking everything you need in a backpack for a multi day hike.

My longest backpacking trip was 7 days. That was back in 1989, and gear weighed more back then. But then again, I weigh more now, so... :D The real weight issue (IMO) for 5-7 day trips is food weight. At least for the first few days.

I think I could manage the half pound weight of a Wave, but yeah, would probably opt for a Squirt.

EDIT: Back in 'the old days' I carried a 50lb pack. I'm apparently well designed for climbing up and down mountains under burden at walking speed. But I'd rather get in a knife fight than run two miles. :D
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Syncop8r on June 27, 2015, 12:49:42 AM
Yep, Wiki agrees, there is the travelling meaning, and the long hiking (tramping) meaning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backpacking_%28wilderness%29

I understand now. :)
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: strmliner on June 27, 2015, 12:54:27 AM
Backpacking around here is your second definition. Taking everything you need in a backpack for a multi day hike.

My longest backpacking trip was 7 days. That was back in 1989, and gear weighed more back then. But then again, I weigh more now, so... :D The real weight issue (IMO) for 5-7 day trips is food weight. At least for the first few days.

I think I could manage the half pound weight of a Wave, but yeah, would probably opt for a Squirt.

EDIT: Back in 'the old days' I carried a 50lb pack. I'm apparently well designed for climbing up and down mountains under burden at walking speed. But I'd rather get in a knife fight than run two miles. :D

Actually Lynn, I'd rather not do either!  I'm more in line with a short hike, a bottle of wine, a siesta in the sun, and an easy walk out!

Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Smaug on July 04, 2015, 07:02:55 AM
This one is tougher than I thought it would be. My first inclination was Victorinox one-handed opening Trekker w/plain edge.

But I decided that a pliers and scissors can be dead useful, even in the field.

My choice is the Victorinox Workchamp:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81KgpvL1ukL._SL1500_.jpg)

Scissors for cutting fishing line and maybe fabric for patching something. Five screwdrivers, a metal file/saw, and a pliers for fixing things. A locking blade for safety while cutting all manner of things. This would be on my belt.

I'd also carry a Classic as a lightweight back-up.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: strmliner on July 04, 2015, 06:54:06 PM
This one is tougher than I thought it would be. My first inclination was Victorinox one-handed opening Trekker w/plain edge.

But I decided that a pliers and scissors can be dead useful, even in the field.

My choice is the Victorinox Workchamp:
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Scissors for cutting fishing line and maybe fabric for patching something. Five screwdrivers, a metal file/saw, and a pliers for fixing things. A locking blade for safety while cutting all manner of things. This would be on my belt.

I'd also carry a Classic as a lightweight back-up.

Smaug, nice idea...I've never really looked at the WorkChamp before...I don't pay much attention to the larger SAKs. 

Now I'll have to look at this one.  Oh jeez, another SAK option...   :ahhh    I already have more knives and tools than I could use in a year... :-\

Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: raistlin65 on July 04, 2015, 07:13:38 PM
This one is tougher than I thought it would be. My first inclination was Victorinox one-handed opening Trekker w/plain edge.

But I decided that a pliers and scissors can be dead useful, even in the field.

My choice is the Victorinox Workchamp:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81KgpvL1ukL._SL1500_.jpg)

Scissors for cutting fishing line and maybe fabric for patching something. Five screwdrivers, a metal file/saw, and a pliers for fixing things. A locking blade for safety while cutting all manner of things. This would be on my belt.

I'd also carry a Classic as a lightweight back-up.

The Workchamp does seem like a nice option.

I like to keep slip n snip scissors with any FAK that I would take hiking or camping, so a Rebar would be my choice.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Scorpion Regent on December 27, 2016, 10:49:24 AM
If I had to choose from what I own it would be my Victorinox German army issue knife.  It doesn't have much as some, but I think it's enough.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Poncho65 on December 27, 2016, 10:52:12 PM
If I had to choose from what I own it would be my Victorinox German army issue knife.  It doesn't have much as some, but I think it's enough.

Seems like very good choice to me :cheers: :like: :like:
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: 7.5mas on December 28, 2016, 12:22:22 AM
Backpacking it's usually my Fieldmaster , Skeletool (for the pliers), & Mora 711
Day hiking Fieldmaster and my Mora or Dpx Hest . I rotate my knives , folders
more so than fixed blades , because the folders are part of  my edc .
I just got some alox farmers so they'll be in the mix soon.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: 4everYoung on December 28, 2016, 01:36:05 AM
ST300 in a pouch on my hip. Style CS in my pocket. I'd likely have a large folder or fixed blade knife if it was a longer hike.
For a short day hike, likely my Skeletool and  Style CS combo.
I'm know a lot of people don't see a need for pliers in the woods but for me, I think they are extremely valuable.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: AimlessWanderer on December 28, 2016, 01:52:15 AM
These days for me, it is a choice of two.

If I do not expect to need any tool at all, and want to keep things lightweight, I might go for the Juice CS4. Despite my annoyances with the quality of the tool as it leaves the factory, I can be refined and improved somewhat, good enough to offer some basic capability for "just in case" on a light hike.

For a more comprehensive toolset, or more demanding jaunt, I'll grab my Fuse-ilier mod, and pair it up with a knife based tool (often a Case Scout Jr in G10) and a stainless fixed blade knife for food prep.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: gene stoner on December 28, 2016, 04:30:46 PM
Swisschamp for me. Every tool I need to repair my kit and fashion tools from junk or natural surroundings. I can sharpen my axe, trim my nails, cut barbedwire and make tent stakes all from my front pocket.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Shuya on January 04, 2017, 02:29:02 PM
From the experiences and trips i have done in the last 2 years I took the following. Nothing imaginary. I own a lot of knives, lots of tools. From bulky to tiny, but I somehow carry SAKs on most of my trips:

- 2 weeks backpacking in swedens woods with GF, including tent and stuff + food for 12 days: Vic Trailmaster
- 2 Weeks backpacking with GF, with tent and stuff in the scottish highlands: Vic Craftsman
- 4 days backpacking with tarp and food for all days in german low mountain range: Vic Huntsman
- 4 Days high alpine trekking with sleepovers in huts of the Alpine Club: Vic Deluxe Tinker
- 12 Days Alpine trekking with GF in the alps, sleepovers in Cabins and supplying on the go: Vic Outrider
- two one week climbing trips to south europe (france, spain) with guesthouse sleepovers: Vic Huntsman

Somewhow I never carried a large multitool anywhere besides at home or when I want to do stuff. Too heavy, bulky. And I never carried something on a Belt-Sheath on this tours, when having a backpack with hip belt this is not an option.
I think about taking a Gerber Dime or Leatherman Squirt or something like that for my backpack (maintaining stove, repairing tent and stuff).
And to be honest: On all these trips i have never seen anyone taking something large and heavy with them.
Those who i have seen doing this were only dayhikers with their Maxpedition packs.  :think:

For me those who try to tell you that packweight doesnt matter have never carried a 40 pound pack through a mountain range for more than a week. (And having clothes, tent, stove, water, food for 10+ days, ... weights that much. at least).

I usually go small, so a 91mm Vic is the first choice on a lot of trips (including dayhikes in the mountains). But often I am having lunch with the supplys I take from home (bread, cheese...) and a 111mm SAK is the better choice because bladelength.

When I am home and close to a car or just doing a small walk in the woods I carry more iron stuff with me than when I am 4 dayhikes away from the nearest town.  :ahhh
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Sneider on January 07, 2017, 01:37:15 PM
I sometimes make hikes in the swiss alps.
Mostly 3 days 2 nights alone with the biwak tent.
My tool choice is always a 93mm Victorinox Bushcrafter or Solo. And a 58mm Manager.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: G-Dizzle on January 16, 2017, 05:58:21 PM
I have several i like to choose from

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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170116/4255ee65c05720e59568a49b06208e6f.jpg)

Always accompanied by a fixed blade!!
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Gareth on January 16, 2017, 08:14:03 PM
From my latest hike (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,70194.0.html);

(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/Scenery/Balmoral/DSC_0108_zps6x8hfvkg.jpg)

Not that you can really tell, but it's a Huntsman. :D
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: eddie1115 on January 16, 2017, 08:44:41 PM
Nice everyone!  The Bushcrafter is my pick for overnights or longer, and I like the Hercules for day hikes.  I will usually add something from the fixed blade/folding saw/hatchet category (or all 3 like Gareth :tu:), depending on how much weight I feel like carrying around.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Syncop8r on January 16, 2017, 11:30:30 PM
It's interesting the differences between hiking in various places. Here many people carry no multitool at all, some would carry a SAK, a few may carry a pliers-based multitool, and almost no-one would carry an axe. Cooking is done with gas cookers and the Department of Conservation would probably crucify you if they saw you in the bush with an axe. They have axes at their huts for firewood (for heating). Then there's the weight (mind you I hear of people walking in with a dozen beers).

EDIT: Typo
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Gareth on January 17, 2017, 12:31:39 AM
It's interseting the differences between hiking in various places. Here many people carry no multitool at all, some would carry a SAK, a few may carry a pliers-based multitool, and almost no-one would carry an axe. Cooking is done with gas cookers and the Department of Conservation would probably crucify you if they saw you in the bush with an axe. They have axes at their huts for firewood (for heating). Then there's the weight (mind you I hear of people walking in with a dozen beers).

That's the reason I carry a very light axe. :D  In Scotland the rules are more flexible than in the rest of the UK and fires are OK, so long as you aren't a smurf about it.  If there's not much chance of a fire on a particular trip I'll not bother with the axe but I will make sure I've a full tang knife, just in case.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Gareth on January 17, 2017, 12:38:56 AM
It's interseting the differences between hiking in various places. Here many people carry no multitool at all, some would carry a SAK, a few may carry a pliers-based multitool, and almost no-one would carry an axe. Cooking is done with gas cookers and the Department of Conservation would probably crucify you if they saw you in the bush with an axe. They have axes at their huts for firewood (for heating). Then there's the weight (mind you I hear of people walking in with a dozen beers).

That's the reason I carry a very light axe. :D  In Scotland the rules are more flexible than in the rest of the UK and fires are OK, so long as you aren't a smurf about it.  If there's not much chance of a fire on a particular trip I'll not bother with the axe but I will make sure I've a full tang knife, just in case.

...and having just made that statement I've remembered that on my last winter hike I only had a Vic Forrester with me as we weren't expecting much of a chance of a fire.  However the opportunity did present itself and the Forrester more than pulled it's weight and the saw definitely did it's job well.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: cody6268 on January 17, 2017, 12:41:24 AM
I often have to walk fences in the deep woods to check them, when I go I bring:

Vic 111mm with saw and OH serrated blade.

Mora fixed blade

Linesman's pliers (fencing is a good way to break LM pliers).
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Gadget on January 26, 2017, 11:06:42 PM
Hi,

I take my Gerber MP600 just about everywhere, the one hand opening is a very big bonus!
(along with my Fallkniven F1 when in the outdoors).

cheers, John :multi:
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Zed on January 27, 2017, 01:09:22 PM
There days I carry the original super tool and a mora #1  :tu:
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: brinboise on January 28, 2017, 10:19:07 PM
When I'm dual sporting (motorcycle) or backpacking I carry the Gerber Myth folding saw, sharp, compact, light and cuts nearly anything, also my trusty LM Wave.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: ogrdnet on January 29, 2017, 03:39:36 AM
I'll either bring a Victorinox Compact for "ultralight" trips or a Victorinox Huntsman for a bit more whittling in the woods; though both are worthy.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Sneider on February 24, 2017, 07:50:14 PM
Mostly this OC Solo and always the black Manager.

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Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Ron Who on February 26, 2017, 11:06:12 PM
Either one of these will do just fine. Most likely I'll be carrying both, for fun. I also carry some water, a lighter, and a few snacks apples. Most days I'll be home before dark so I don't really need that much.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Huntsman on February 27, 2017, 03:59:25 AM
Mostly this OC Solo and always the black Manager.

Great pics Sneider - Really nice - Shame we don't have that stuff Down Under

Just one query - In the third shot how come the snow is on the lower slopes - But not on the higher ones!!
Just looked at pic again - and....
I think I just worked it out - The lower slopes are always - or mainly in the shadow all day long - whereas the sun shines where you are standing

Four blades Ronald (- or six if you count the saw as a blade)  ??? And maybe one more in the Pioneer (Pruner?)
Is that really necessary ?? !!  :o  I guess, as you say, just for fun  ;)
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Syncop8r on February 27, 2017, 06:00:21 AM
Mostly this OC Solo and always the black Manager.

Great pics Sneider - Really nice - Shame we don't have that stuff Down Under

Are you quite sure about that?  :pok:
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: ThePeacent on February 27, 2017, 09:33:38 AM
I like this one for hiking/outdoors. All I need, nothing I don't!

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Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Aloha on February 27, 2017, 05:23:08 PM
The show Alone proved that taking a MT is not only a option but when combined with other tools a good option.  Dave Canterbury also advocates the use of a MT ( plier based ) as part of his tool options. 

Thing is, its really based off what you deem needed or wanted more so your style of hiking/tramping/backpacking.  I understand ultra light and so on so a SAK is a great option in that scenario. 

I like to carry a MT ( plier based ) when out tho not always.  I have brought my Swisstool, Wave, OG Super tool, Spirit, and squirt.   
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Sneider on February 27, 2017, 10:02:53 PM
Mostly this OC Solo and always the black Manager.

Great pics Sneider - Really nice - Shame we don't have that stuff Down Under

Just one query - In the third shot how come the snow is on the lower slopes - But not on the higher ones!!
Just looked at pic again - and....
I think I just worked it out - The lower slopes are always - or mainly in the shadow all day long - whereas the sun shines where you are standing

Thanks!  :cheers:

Um, what is not there in Australia? Mountains? Snow? Fog?  :think:
Here in Switzerland we think Down Under is the paradise.
Once in a lifetime visit australia - this dream has many here.

Correctly, the snow remains longer on shady places.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Huntsman on March 01, 2017, 01:22:57 PM
Thanks!
Um, what is not there in Australia? Mountains? Snow? Fog?  :think:

Well I reckon all of the above - Although Syncop8r has proved otherwise - Although I don't see a gum tree in that photo - It was probably taken on a trip to Switzerland  :pok:
And of course we do have the Blue Mountains - Which are neither blue nor mountains!! - They really should be called the Green Valleys  ;)
And we also have the Snowy Mountains  - which I believe really do have snow - although I have never been there - so cannot confirm this  :o

Here in Switzerland we think Down Under is the paradise.
Once in a lifetime visit Australia - this dream has many here.
Well many would agree: Sunshine, (lots of it), awesome beaches, the bush, the Outback, stunning flora, beautiful birds and weird but cute animals - kinda the opposite to La Suisse
- Although Marmots have got to be as cute as Koalas !! Well nearly
Also happy people (except Sydney drivers), and nice lifestyle.
Come on Down -  :D - You'll be very welcome.  :tu:
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Gareth on March 01, 2017, 03:11:43 PM
Cute animals!  As far as I can tell they're all venomous and/or full of teeth and trying to kill you. :D  Koalas are just biding their time IMO. ;) 

Wouldn't stop me taking a trip down under though. :tu:
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Syncop8r on March 02, 2017, 04:34:36 AM
Cute animals!  As far as I can tell they're all venomous and/or full of teeth and trying to kill you. :D

Look at the animal in my avatar - it's a Quokka which are Australian. Are you scared of that?  ;)
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Syncop8r on March 02, 2017, 04:47:07 AM
Thanks!
Um, what is not there in Australia? Mountains? Snow? Fog?  :think:

Well I reckon all of the above - Although Syncop8r has proved otherwise - Although I don't see a gum tree in that photo - It was probably taken on a trip to Switzerland  :pok:

Here's a gum tree in the background next to my old house...  :pok:

Remember we're Down-er and Under-er than you.  :D
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: leathermon on March 02, 2017, 06:50:25 AM
I found myself camping alot more in the summer last year in hot,  humid weather.  Being a bigger guy I found myself wearing lose shorts without a belt.  That's when I fell in love with crkt minimalist bowie. And of course my huntsman.

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Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Gareth on March 02, 2017, 10:30:09 AM
Cute animals!  As far as I can tell they're all venomous and/or full of teeth and trying to kill you. :D

Look at the animal in my avatar - it's a Quokka which are Australian. Are you scared of that?  ;)

They're in league with the Koalas and are just lulling you into a false sense of security.  Run while you still can! :ahhh

Show content
OK, maybe just a tiny bit cute as well. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-jTSejgh0s
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Ron Who on March 02, 2017, 10:49:55 AM
Cute animals!  As far as I can tell they're all venomous and/or full of teeth and trying to kill you. :D

Look at the animal in my avatar - it's a Quokka which are Australian. Are you scared of that?  ;)

 :like:

Very cute! I had to look it up on WikiPedia. I thought it was a teddy bear!  :)
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Mattexian on March 05, 2017, 03:54:53 AM
Last time I did a lot of backpacking (in BoyScouts), I carried my Vic Adventurer, 111mm sidelock, when they first came out.  It covered everything I needed back then.
Now I carry a Vic OHT,  and it got plenty of use last time we went car camping, especially in the camp kitchen, opening packages and slicing a slab of bacon.  ;)

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Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: PartizaN on March 05, 2017, 05:13:06 PM
I always take with me Old Wave- that's my most important tool for all outdoor activities.
Moreover, during my trips accompany me modified SAK TiFarmer and one of my my folding knives, usually small Sebenza 21 insignio or Spyderco Slysz Bowie.

Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: lurkee on March 10, 2017, 04:11:49 AM
A modified wave, the lid of my canteen cup (hafted and sharpened if need be) and a folding saw. This "big knife" thing is the bunk.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Dwest on March 18, 2017, 12:19:34 AM
Tool chest plus
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Gareth on March 18, 2017, 12:36:34 AM
Tool chest plus

Interesting. :tu: Any one tool in particular that you find indispensable?
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Dwest on March 18, 2017, 01:07:08 AM
Tool chest plus

Interesting. :tu: Any one tool in particular that you find indispensable?

Knife is most used. What I like about it  is its a complete basic tool set with land nav capability that drops in your pocket.

I am still trying to determine indispensable. That's a tough one. In a non urban setting if we throw the knife out of the question I would say the compass, direction finding can be done without it but is more time consuming and prone to error.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: ElevenBlade on December 16, 2019, 05:36:33 AM
Bump!

Curious what people say nowadays. 

Leatherman Juice seems to be popular from what I see outdoors (not necessarily with enthusiasts, or people one this forum, I gather)

My multitool of choice for the outdoors in motion for the better part of the last 30 years is the Victorinox Champion   
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Huntsman on December 16, 2019, 12:55:50 PM
Poncho let us know about a great quote from the bush crafter Mors Kochanski who passed away recently...

"The more you know the less you carry"

I would certainy agree with that maxim - And have been told this on courses I have been on
Especially for true backpacking, which for me means a trip of a few days carrying all your stuff (food, tent, clothing, water? etc) on your back,
And also for Alpine/Scottish mountaineering when you have a lot of equipment to carry.

Maybe the Wenger Ueli Steck Titanium should be the carry?  ???
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Aloha on December 16, 2019, 03:11:57 PM
As many ultralight backpacking load outs as I've seen I still like a MT ( plier based ) as part of my gear.  It doesn't have to be a Surge so a Juice or even a Squirt is fine by me. 

I have a Swisschamp permanently attached to my pack in an SOS sheath.   
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: ElevenBlade on December 16, 2019, 04:50:52 PM
Poncho let us know about a great quote from the bush crafter Mors Kochanski who passed away recently...

"The more you know the less you carry"

I would certainy agree with that maxim - And have been told this on courses I have been on
Especially for true backpacking, which for me means a trip of a few days carrying all your stuff (food, tent, clothing, water? etc) on your back,
And also for Alpine/Scottish mountaineering when you have a lot of equipment to carry.

Maybe the Wenger Ueli Steck Titanium should be the carry?  ???

I totally agree with that maxim.   It applies to backpacking as well as many/most occupations.

I've thought of using the Wenger Ueli Steck, because of the reason you imply.  What stopped me is the hex wrenches - I don't have a single piece of equipment where they would come in handy.  And, I'd have left the bits at home so I wouldn't risk losing them. 

Theres also the Mike Horn Wenger, but there are other similar 130mm models. 
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Gareth on December 17, 2019, 05:17:26 PM
I'd have to say the good old Vic Huntsman still does pretty much everything I want on a day hike and then some. 

I think it often comes down to how genuinely far you are from civilisation, how long you plan to be out and what you are planning to do.  In an emergency you can do a heck of a lot with just a SAK, but a hatchet, knife and folding saw make a multi-night trip and fire pit much easier. :)
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Huntsman on December 18, 2019, 12:50:35 AM
As many ultralight backpacking load outs as I've seen I still like a MT ( plier based ) as part of my gear.  It doesn't have to be a Surge so a Juice or even a Squirt is fine by me. 

Still don't see why I would need pliers for a backpacking trip.
I've been doing camping/backpacking/hiking for 40+ years and never needed pliers.
I could see that a Squirt (or Vic pliers) may be useful to fix something on a hiking boot, rucksack or a tent pole maybe.

Big style camping (drive to campsite, big tent installation, large cooker etc etc) is another matter !
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: ElevenBlade on December 18, 2019, 01:04:39 AM
Still don't see why I would need pliers for a backpacking trip.
I've been doing camping/backpacking/hiking for 40+ years and never needed pliers.
I could see that a Squirt (or Vic pliers) may be useful to fix something on a hiking boot, rucksack or a tent pole maybe.

Big style camping (drive to campsite, big tent installation, large cooker etc etc) is another matter !

I'd have to agree. 

I just started doing a bit of Big style camping - I noticed I was going back and forth between a 2-layer SAK, a 7-layer SAK, and a lockback ... like a psychopathic fool.  Haven't yet needed the pliers.  My trekking poles have screws that can be hand-tightened, and my backpack has an internal frame that I've never adjusted.  If you're going with friends, glamping is fun!
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: comis on December 18, 2019, 05:23:50 AM
Still don't see why I would need pliers for a backpacking trip.
I've been doing camping/backpacking/hiking for 40+ years and never needed pliers.
I could see that a Squirt (or Vic pliers) may be useful to fix something on a hiking boot, rucksack or a tent pole maybe.

Big style camping (drive to campsite, big tent installation, large cooker etc etc) is another matter !
:iagree:


I'd have to agree. 

I just started doing a bit of Big style camping - I noticed I was going back and forth between a 2-layer SAK, a 7-layer SAK, and a lockback ... like a psychopathic fool.  Haven't yet needed the pliers.  My trekking poles have screws that can be hand-tightened, and my backpack has an internal frame that I've never adjusted.  If you're going with friends, glamping is fun!
In more recent years, I've been doing more glamping and the added benefit is I get to lug and play with any kind of tools I want.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Aloha on December 18, 2019, 04:32:40 PM
I hear y'all.  I love car camping, like comis I get to bring a bag of tools to play with  :climber: :multi:. 
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: sir_mike on December 18, 2019, 05:24:39 PM
Since my urban EDC is the Explorer and has been for quite some time now, when me and the misses go hiking about (usually only a couple of miles or so) I normally just swap out the Explorer for the Outrider which I think is perfect non-urban EDC based on tool set vs size but once in awhile I may also just go with the Rucksack which doesn't have the scissors.  Again still a great outdoor EDC since I like to have the saw to make a walking stick and it's nice to have a locking blade.

Now that said aside from hike's we go biking so when we do that I add a MT so I have some extra tools if I need to do any maintenance on a bike or whatever!   I don't go camping or really do what I would call true backpacking but hope to do some longer hike's or some backpacking so we will see what I think I may need for that!  Of course I will follow this thread for idea's on what to carry and what not to carry!  :)
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Gareth on December 18, 2019, 05:50:56 PM
Since my urban EDC is the Explorer and has been for quite some time now, when me and the misses go hiking about (usually only a couple of miles or so) I normally just swap out the Explorer for the Outrider which I think is perfect non-urban EDC based on tool set vs size but once in awhile I may also just go with the Rucksack which doesn't have the scissors.  Again still a great outdoor EDC since I like to have the saw to make a walking stick and it's nice to have a locking blade.

Now that said aside from hike's we go biking so when we do that I add a MT so I have some extra tools if I need to do any maintenance on a bike or whatever!   I don't go camping or really do what I would call true backpacking but hope to do some longer hike's or some backpacking so we will see what I think I may need for that!  Of course I will follow this thread for idea's on what to carry and what not to carry!  :)

Those are good choices I'd say.  The 111mm frame adds a usable extra bit to the saw and knife blades.  I've carried my Forester before for exactly the same reason and I'd love to get my hands on a old slide-lock Outrider.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: ElevenBlade on December 18, 2019, 05:59:35 PM
Those are good choices I'd say.  The 111mm frame adds a usable extra bit to the saw and knife blades.  I've carried my Forester before for exactly the same reason and I'd love to get my hands on a old slide-lock Outrider.

This thread would be good with a poll. Not individual models per se...  rather, sizes of SAK (130. 111. 93, 91mm..., and sizes of MT (full, medium, keyring)
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Shuya on December 18, 2019, 06:32:29 PM
As someone who did and does backpacking (in form of having a backpack with all your stuff in the wilderness) a lot there is a clear answer: SAK.
I have never carried and never missed a MT on any backpacking trip.
The only thing I vary is the type of SAK, depending on the circumstances: do I cook? Do I only have snacks?

For example on all my alpine treks I had a Vic Deluxe Tinker with me (which was considered overkill by some friends).
I have "survived" a whole month traveling france (brittany and normandy) with only a Camillus 99, hiked 150km in the alps in 2 weeks with my Outrider, camped in the scottish highlands with a Craftsman, walked in swedish forests with my Forester and so on..
Even on dayhikes or short multiple dayhikes I only carry a SAK of some sort.


Now that I have a daughter (and another baby coming) things have changed a bit and we needed to step down. This years family holidays were spend in a remote cabin in the alps (1,5h of walk from the nearest road, everything including food was carried up to 2000m). On trips like these where I stay put most of the time I take some luxury in tools, a fixed, a SAK and a Tool (Bark River Mini Kephart 3V, Vic Forester and Swisstool Spirit).
But the only knife I carry all the time still is the SAK which covers 99% of cutting jobs, the fixed is for food prep and whittling, the tool is just in case and in most cases never needed...

When soloing in the alps where weight is crucial, I would not dare to take a brick of steel that I will not need. A swisstool for example weights as much as my Ice axe ...
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: sir_mike on December 18, 2019, 06:56:14 PM
Those are good choices I'd say.  The 111mm frame adds a usable extra bit to the saw and knife blades.  I've carried my Forester before for exactly the same reason and I'd love to get my hands on a old slide-lock Outrider.

That was my whole purpose of getting an Outrider which I have the slide lock on mine was to use for hiking so I had that extra length of saw and blade which are very handy for sure! 

Since I found a great deal on a Rucksack and seem to use the scissor's on the Outrider this year while out, I am going to put the Rucksack in play next year when hiking and see if I will miss or need the scissors but I don't think I will!  Side note:  The first 25 years or so that I carried the same sak it didn't have scissor's and I survived!  lol
 
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Huntsman on December 18, 2019, 10:39:50 PM
This thread would be good with a poll. Not individual models per se...  rather, sizes of SAK (130. 111. 93, 91mm..., and sizes of MT (full, medium, keyring)
Add one if you like - The buttons at the top should allow you to do this - If you can't do this let me know the precise questions and I will add!
I can adjust the title to say "poll added" as well, which might help.

As someone who did and does backpacking (in form of having a backpack with all your stuff in the wilderness) a lot there is a clear answer: SAK.
.........
When soloing in the alps where weight is crucial, I would not dare to take a brick of steel that I will not need. A swisstool for example weights as much as my Ice axe ...
I  like your choices Shuya - But I like the sound of your trips in the outdoors even more    :pok:    :tu:
And very impressed with the '+child' arrangements   :D

Your ice axe sounds nice and light - I guess it's a glacier hiking axe?  ??? ...... Mine's not too bad
But my ice climbing axes weigh a ton!! They are not very modern!

Do you really solo in the Alps?
Can't say I have ever done that (But have done Winter Scotland soloing).  Isn't that a bit limiting eg No roped up partner for glacier traverses etc
Or is it more lower level stuff?
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: ElevenBlade on December 18, 2019, 11:04:38 PM
Looks like it has to be a new topic in order to post a poll...

I'll set it up.   :)
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Huntsman on December 18, 2019, 11:22:42 PM
OK - Maybe only moderators can add a poll

So up to you ........  If you want one added to this thread post the exact questions below and I will add it - Or set up a new thread
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: ElevenBlade on December 19, 2019, 12:00:48 AM
OK - Maybe only moderators can add a poll

So up to you ........  If you want one added to this thread post the exact questions below and I will add it - Or set up a new thread

Should be up and running  :gimme:
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Shuya on December 19, 2019, 08:38:23 AM
Add one if you like - The buttons at the top should allow you to do this - If you can't do this let me know the precise questions and I will add!
I can adjust the title to say "poll added" as well, which might help.
I  like your choices Shuya - But I like the sound of your trips in the outdoors even more    :pok:    :tu:
And very impressed with the '+child' arrangements   :D

Your ice axe sounds nice and light - I guess it's a glacier hiking axe?  ??? ...... Mine's not too bad
But my ice climbing axes weigh a ton!! They are not very modern!

Do you really solo in the Alps?
Can't say I have ever done that (But have done Winter Scotland soloing).  Isn't that a bit limiting eg No roped up partner for glacier traverses etc
Or is it more lower level stuff?

My Ice Axe is a Petzl Summit in 59cm, (not the summit evo which weights more), for even more minimalism I got a Petzl Gully.
You have to add Crampons to that (In my case Grivel Airtech or minimalistic Grivel G1).
Its a moderate tool, and for real ice climbing (done that in a glacier course) I take both axes and do a short 90 degree slope with no issues.
Would not do long ice climbing on hard water ice with that but for the occasional climb on glacier ice both work well.

Modern axes have become realy light, there is even an aluminium/steel hybrid axe that weights 250g at 60cm with a steel spike and tip but aluminum adze. Tempting to get that one... Camp Corsa Nanotech. Plenty of axe for the occasional snowfield or flat glacier traverse. Nothing I would take into a serious climb, too light to bite into hard ice.

My Solo tours have started with lower level stuff years ago, now I usually stay above 2000m. Basically its the week around my birthday in june which I spend all alone in the mountains. That early in theyear you dont even have to go up that far to find snow and ice, this year was crazy, above 1700m snow snow snow and risk of wet snow avalances end of june  :twak:

When beeing alone (and having kids) its all about knowledge and risk management.

This is my plan for next year: A ridge trip at 3000m with some climbing and short glacier traverses.
Lets see how much snow there is in june..  :woohoo:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vC8_X_DaVtI
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Huntsman on January 14, 2020, 03:04:57 AM
Thanks for the reply and all the info Shuya!

Making me Alps homesick :(
I guess I should update my gear - But there is not much call for ice axes and crampons in the Aussie bush   :pok:    :D 
And I have not made it over to NZ South Island yet.
 
Not sure I even will - As my (newish) family life has curtailed my outdoor activities significantly - So  :hatsoff:  to you for keeping it up
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: frankieSD on February 02, 2020, 07:54:02 AM
Vic outrider or custom vic...metal file , blade , saw, philips screwdriver , awl in ti scales.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: EtherealityX1 on June 09, 2020, 11:42:27 AM
I'm definetely no seasoned pro hiker/outdoorsman, but I cannot get my head around a vic classic sd being enough for the woods. I understand the need to have a light of a kit as possible but I dunno, classics seem to flimsy for me for the woods. Personally, I think that an 111 OH Forester os the bare minimum, if u need to groom yourself add the Victorinox nail clipper to the lanyard.

However, if, and only if, a knife+scissors+nail file+tweezers is really what  you absolutely just need ,then the Leatherman Style CS is BY FAR the better choice than a classic. Stronger bigger knife, much more usable scissors with more leverage, better tweezers, and all with a carabiner included and by no means considerably heavier than a classic. Mind you, I am not saying this from a leatherman fanboy standpoint ( just look at my sig, I am most definetely a Vic guy,- I EDC one every day) but credit to where credit is due, the Style is a much better choice than most of the smaller Vics, hands down.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: pomsbz on June 09, 2020, 01:12:38 PM
I'm definetely no seasoned pro hiker/outdoorsman, but I cannot get my head around a vic classic sd being enough for the woods. I understand the need to have a light of a kit as possible but I dunno, classics seem to flimsy for me for the woods. Personally, I think that an 111 OH Forester os the bare minimum, if u need to groom yourself add the Victorinox nail clipper to the lanyard.

However, if, and only if, a knife+scissors+nail file+tweezers is really what  you absolutely just need ,then the Leatherman Style CS is BY FAR the better choice than a classic. Stronger bigger knife, much more usable scissors with more leverage, better tweezers, and all with a carabiner included and by no means considerably heavier than a classic. Mind you, I am not saying this from a leatherman fanboy standpoint ( just look at my sig, I am most definetely a Vic guy,- I EDC one every day) but credit to where credit is due, the Style is a much better choice than most of the smaller Vics, hands down.

Yes and no. I gave up on a Style CS after having two warranty replacements. I've had a Rambler replace it on my keychain for years and far more satisfied.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: SirVicaLot on March 20, 2021, 03:08:29 AM
Another bump, as I've been thinking about this topic lately. I carried a lot of different tools but I hardly ever used most tool implements. I mostly use the knife to cut food, and screwdriver and pliers to make adjustments/small repairs on my gear (tripod and spikes for example). I still like to have a saw while hiking in the woods.

With all that in mind, i guess all i really need is a Vic Hiker and a Knipex Cobra XS. If I feel comfortable though carrying only these, is an entirely different story   :think:
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: ElevenBlade on March 20, 2021, 04:02:37 AM
Another bump, as I've been thinking about this topic lately. I carried a lot of different tools but I hardly ever used most tool implements. I mostly use the knife to cut food, and screwdriver and pliers to make adjustments/small repairs on my gear (tripod and spikes for example). I still like to have a saw while hiking in the woods.

With all that in mind, i guess all i really need is a Vic Hiker and a Knipex Cobra XS. If I feel comfortable though carrying only these, is an entirely different story   :think:

Why not give it a try?  In the old days, all they needed was a traditional folder.

A Hiker, or its larger counterpart... a Trekker is all you really need.  I feel more resourceful when I'm not carrying a big tool set.  Outside your comfort zone is where the magic happens. 
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: SirVicaLot on March 20, 2021, 04:45:53 AM
Certainly true. I will give it a shot after the FX challenge  :tu:
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: nate j on March 26, 2021, 06:28:15 AM
Why not give it a try?  In the old days, all they needed was a traditional folder.

A Hiker, or its larger counterpart... a Trekker is all you really need.  I feel more resourceful when I'm not carrying a big tool set.  Outside your comfort zone is where the magic happens.

I guess it depends on what you're referring to as "the old days"... :think:

They certainly may have carried folding knives as well, but I believe a fixed blade hunting/skinning/butcher knife was pretty standard gear for a 19th-century mountain man.  However, my understanding is that these knives were used primarily for skinning and cleaning animals, as well as related food preparation activities.  They were not "bushcraft knives" as the term is commonly used and understood today.

If all a modern leave no trace hiker or camper needs is to open their foil packets of freeze dried food, then a Vic Classic or small pen knife will be up to the task.

I know some very experienced hikers and campers who carry nothing more than a folding knife.  I know others (including myself) who generally also carry a fixed blade and sometimes additional tools as well, mostly because it makes us feel more prepared.  To be frank, though, I don't think I've ever truly needed more than a folding knife blade and a can opener when hiking or camping, so theoretically I suppose I could get away with just an Alox Bantam.  However, I have gotten some value out of having an awl, and I do like to have scissors (mostly for personal grooming), but even at that a Climber, Super Tinker, or Pioneer X should not leave me wanting.

Axes and full-size saws are nice to have when car camping if a large fire is planned, but not worth the weight and bulk if everything has to be carried.

I've found OHO/OHC knives are handy around camp, simply because of the speed with which they can be deployed, used, closed, and returned to the pocket (even faster than a fixed blade IMO), and because this can be done without having to put down what one might be holding or carrying in the other hand.

Camping of late, I have generally carried a Farmer X (while I probably wouldn't miss the saw if I dropped down to a Pioneer X, the saw layer adds minimal weight and bulk, and perhaps I'll use it someday) and a Myerchin BF300 Captain.  The Captain is useful for the OHO/OHC functionality as described above, and the marlin spike has been convenient to have as well.  I'll have a fixed blade in my backpack, but have yet to run across anything that the folders couldn't handle.  (As an aside, the blade of the Captain is noticeably wider and thicker than the blade of the Farmer X, but the edge length is only slightly longer.

I'm not aware of any professional survival gurus or instructors who recommend only a folder, but they are typically trying to live or teach others how to live off the land in a way that is pretty far removed from most of our hiking and camping experiences.

If I had many miles to cover and or were worried about weight, I wouldn't feel bad about ditching the fixed blade and Myerchin, and carrying just the Farmer X (and my backup Alox Bantam of course).
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: MichaelGT83 on April 04, 2021, 10:54:29 AM
It's a long time since I was a proper "outdoorsy" person, but I always have a Vic Work Champ with me. It had everything I needed and plenty that I didn't. I couldn't have imagined needed anything else, to be honest.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: ElevenBlade on April 04, 2021, 02:03:29 PM
I guess it depends on what you're referring to as "the old days"... :think:

They certainly may have carried folding knives as well, but I believe a fixed blade hunting/skinning/butcher knife was pretty standard gear for a 19th-century mountain man.  However, my understanding is that these knives were used primarily for skinning and cleaning animals, as well as related food preparation activities.  They were not "bushcraft knives" as the term is commonly used and understood today.

If all a modern leave no trace hiker or camper needs is to open their foil packets of freeze dried food, then a Vic Classic or small pen knife will be up to the task.

I know some very experienced hikers and campers who carry nothing more than a folding knife.  I know others (including myself) who generally also carry a fixed blade and sometimes additional tools as well, mostly because it makes us feel more prepared.  To be frank, though, I don't think I've ever truly needed more than a folding knife blade and a can opener when hiking or camping, so theoretically I suppose I could get away with just an Alox Bantam.  However, I have gotten some value out of having an awl, and I do like to have scissors (mostly for personal grooming), but even at that a Climber, Super Tinker, or Pioneer X should not leave me wanting.

Axes and full-size saws are nice to have when car camping if a large fire is planned, but not worth the weight and bulk if everything has to be carried.

I've found OHO/OHC knives are handy around camp, simply because of the speed with which they can be deployed, used, closed, and returned to the pocket (even faster than a fixed blade IMO), and because this can be done without having to put down what one might be holding or carrying in the other hand.

Camping of late, I have generally carried a Farmer X (while I probably wouldn't miss the saw if I dropped down to a Pioneer X, the saw layer adds minimal weight and bulk, and perhaps I'll use it someday) and a Myerchin BF300 Captain.  The Captain is useful for the OHO/OHC functionality as described above, and the marlin spike has been convenient to have as well.  I'll have a fixed blade in my backpack, but have yet to run across anything that the folders couldn't handle.  (As an aside, the blade of the Captain is noticeably wider and thicker than the blade of the Farmer X, but the edge length is only slightly longer.

I'm not aware of any professional survival gurus or instructors who recommend only a folder, but they are typically trying to live or teach others how to live off the land in a way that is pretty far removed from most of our hiking and camping experiences.

If I had many miles to cover and or were worried about weight, I wouldn't feel bad about ditching the fixed blade and Myerchin, and carrying just the Farmer X (and my backup Alox Bantam of course).

It also depends on what activities are involved, I suppose.  I don't think there's much of a question when it comes to hunting, skinning, trapping or bushcrafting ... With any of those, a fixed blade makes sense. 

Multitools only became available in the 80s, and send to be more popularized in the 90s seemingly when Gerber gave Leatherman some competition. Then , it seems, Victorinox had some traction with convincing us that screws need driving in the wilderness, but also that tiny saws have a purpose.   Even for me, I didn't get hooked on SAKs until I'd used Gerber and Leatherman tools for nearly 10 years.

Like SirVic I'd realized that I didn't need the pliers for camping and hiking, so a Victorinox Hiker or Farmer would do the job.  I got by with a Soldier for the better part of a decade.

But what I mean to point out about the old days is that Swiss Army Knives or Scout Knives were rarely the go-to knife, despite being ostensibly more versatile. As far as I've seen and heard, at least.  Over the decades it seems that the blade-only options... Folding hunters, stockmen, trappers, and fixed blades always seemed the tools of choice by far.

Funnily enough, since yesterday I've been rethinking my carry.  After much pondering, arranging, and sorting... I'm considering having a crack at the Bantam for EDC.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: ElevenBlade on April 05, 2021, 12:27:37 AM
Ok... Time for some advice from you wonderful people.

In a couple of weeks I'm going to go car camping... Glamping even.  Low impact.  I'm packing as if I'm staying in a hotel.

I've already packed several knives, and I need your help in narrowing it down to two. Or one, if that is at all possible.

- 5 inch folding hunter that I wish I got more use out of in the days when I'd lash together camp furniture and cooking tripods.
- the pioneer X that I've been using for most everything, and is in my pocket right now
- Skeletool
- Vic one handed Trekker

Anticipated uses - none.  Potential uses - everything.  Realistic uses - whittling pointed sticks

Other available tools - basically all kitchen tools. A hatchet. Well equipped IFAK.

Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Syncop8r on April 05, 2021, 02:02:06 AM
I like the Skele but I have a thing against removable bits when outdoors so I say eliminate that one at least.

Can you put up photos? I don't know SAK models very well...
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: ElevenBlade on April 05, 2021, 02:17:13 AM
I like the Skele but I have a thing against removable bits when outdoors so I say eliminate that one at least.

Can you put up photos? I don't know SAK models very well...

Oops. I should have said Skeletool KBX. Just the folding knife. I'm not keen on removable bits in the wilderness either.

I'll follow up with some pictures tomorrow, but for now...

Pioneer X is one of the 93mm Alox models with a sturdy blade and scissors in addition to the usual screwdrivers and awl
Trekker is an even more sturdy 111mm model with a large blade and a saw

I'm thinking of eliminating the folding hunter since I'm doing nothing of the sort. But there's the fun factor.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Syncop8r on April 05, 2021, 02:44:30 AM
I vote Trekker - bigger size and decent saw.  :tu:
(until I see the Hunter)
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Aloha on April 05, 2021, 05:25:34 AM
Ok... Time for some advice from you wonderful people.

In a couple of weeks I'm going to go car camping... Glamping even.  Low impact.  I'm packing as if I'm staying in a hotel.

I've already packed several knives, and I need your help in narrowing it down to two. Or one, if that is at all possible.

- 5 inch folding hunter that I wish I got more use out of in the days when I'd lash together camp furniture and cooking tripods.
- the pioneer X that I've been using for most everything, and is in my pocket right now
- Skeletool
- Vic one handed Trekker

Anticipated uses - none.  Potential uses - everything.  Realistic uses - whittling pointed sticks

Other available tools - basically all kitchen tools. A hatchet. Well equipped IFAK.

Bolded get my vote.  You are familiar with your PX so why not have a little fun with the others?  I love to use my fixed blade regardless of which model I bring for food prep.  I then use my other knife for having some knife fun at camp.  I love to bring a variety with my especially when car camping.  I have the space and it gives me a great excuse to use knives that have sat dormant.  I don't have the same trees he has but its always fun to make things while out even if just to improve your knife skills.   

https://youtu.be/kla_UWs6JW8
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Echotech on April 05, 2021, 06:01:28 AM
Thanks for the video Aloha  :like: :tu:
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: nate j on April 05, 2021, 06:05:30 AM
But what I mean to point out about the old days is that Swiss Army Knives or Scout Knives were rarely the go-to knife, despite being ostensibly more versatile. As far as I've seen and heard, at least.  Over the decades it seems that the blade-only options... Folding hunters, stockmen, trappers, and fixed blades always seemed the tools of choice by far.
I can agree with that.  Perhaps it is due to:


Funnily enough, since yesterday I've been rethinking my carry.  After much pondering, arranging, and sorting... I'm considering having a crack at the Bantam for EDC.
If you don't need the scissors and don't have much need for a Phillips screwdriver, the Bantam is a lot of functionality in a single-layer knife.


Ok... Time for some advice from you wonderful people.

In a couple of weeks I'm going to go car camping... Glamping even.  Low impact.  I'm packing as if I'm staying in a hotel.

I've already packed several knives, and I need your help in narrowing it down to two. Or one, if that is at all possible.

- 5 inch folding hunter that I wish I got more use out of in the days when I'd lash together camp furniture and cooking tripods.
- the pioneer X that I've been using for most everything, and is in my pocket right now
- Skeletool
- Vic one handed Trekker

Anticipated uses - none.  Potential uses - everything.  Realistic uses - whittling pointed sticks

Other available tools - basically all kitchen tools. A hatchet. Well equipped IFAK.

Just my opinion, YMMV, but, BLUF, I'd be OK with only the PX.

The Skeletool KBX brings nothing to the party that isn't covered by any of the other knives.  This is the first one I'd leave at home.

Between the OHT and PX, it comes down to saw vs. scissors, OHO vs. not, and the weight and size difference.  I use the scissors a lot, but not the saw.  Also, since you'll have a hatchet along, a small saw is less valuable than it might otherwise be.  OHO is nice to have, but not critical.  The OHT is 40% heavier than the PX.  Advantage:  PX

As for the folding hunter, it is hard to make a case for needing it.  It's bit on the large side for whittling, but there's something about sitting around a campfire with a traditional knife.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: ElevenBlade on April 06, 2021, 01:01:37 AM
 :hatsoff:  as always, thanks to all for the thoughtful responses.

Bolded get my vote.  You are familiar with your PX so why not have a little fun with the others?  I love to use my fixed blade regardless of which model I bring for food prep.  I then use my other knife for having some knife fun at camp.  I love to bring a variety with my especially when car camping.  I have the space and it gives me a great excuse to use knives that have sat dormant.  I don't have the same trees he has but its always fun to make things while out even if just to improve your knife skills.   

https://youtu.be/kla_UWs6JW8

I thought about keeping the PX aside as a silent observer in my pocket, or in the car, to avoid the habit of using it.  Like you say, this is a fun opportunity to get some variety.  The one thing that I do envision I would prefer to use it for is the realistic role of a steak knife.  In that case, the others are a bit cumbersome. 

I can agree with that.  Perhaps it is due to:
  • Tradition - All other things being equal, there is always some resistance to change, and folks may be more likely to have carried what they were used to, and or what they saw fathers, grandfathers, etc. using.
  • Availability - In the days before the internet, the local hardware or farm store probably had a selection of Case or Schrade or Camillus, whereas SAKs may have been somewhat harder to find.
  • Utility - Unless you have some more technical gear that is held together with screws or bolts (thinking skis, crampons, sleds, snowmobiles, maybe climbing equipment), the value of a screwdriver, wrench, or pliers in the wilderness is limited IMO.  Cans (and a can opener) are convenient when car camping, but the weight and bulk of canned goods aren't the best choice for backpacking.  However, additional blades are always welcome for food and or wood use.

If you don't need the scissors and don't have much need for a Phillips screwdriver, the Bantam is a lot of functionality in a single-layer knife.


Just my opinion, YMMV, but, BLUF, I'd be OK with only the PX.

The Skeletool KBX brings nothing to the party that isn't covered by any of the other knives.  This is the first one I'd leave at home.

Between the OHT and PX, it comes down to saw vs. scissors, OHO vs. not, and the weight and size difference.  I use the scissors a lot, but not the saw.  Also, since you'll have a hatchet along, a small saw is less valuable than it might otherwise be.  OHO is nice to have, but not critical.  The OHT is 40% heavier than the PX.  Advantage:  PX

As for the folding hunter, it is hard to make a case for needing it.  It's bit on the large side for whittling, but there's something about sitting around a campfire with a traditional knife.

Same thought about the traditional.  I've attached a picture.  It's a Kephart style blade, and it's tough as nails.  Maybe it's a drop point... still tough as nails.  I can't really make a case for it aside from just having fun. 

I vote Trekker - bigger size and decent saw.  :tu:
(until I see the Hunter)

What do you think about the Hunter?

Decisions decisions   :ahhh  I have a feeling that the Trekker is going to get a spot for this round.  I have some time to think about it though.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Aloha on April 06, 2021, 01:15:12 AM
 :salute:.  Our go to blades are that for a reason.  Dependable and familiar when we reach for them.  We know their strengths and we can work within and at times up to the very edge ( no pun ).  The folding hunter is gorgeous.  Steak knife it is.  I love having a SAK in my pocket when camping.  Its hard not to bring one since I know their capabilities so well. 

Have some fun trying knots while out.  Great way to pass time while foods cooking.  We very much enjoy car camping as a way to get out yet not be bound by only what we can carry.  The foods a lot better too.  Both my partner and I enjoy using whatever knife we've got on us for prep.  I've even used a small hatchet with not so good results  :D.  She forgot her Eldris last time out which would have been fun to use.

Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: ElevenBlade on April 06, 2021, 02:07:13 AM
:salute:.  Our go to blades are that for a reason.  Dependable and familiar when we reach for them.  We know their strengths and we can work within and at times up to the very edge ( no pun ).  The folding hunter is gorgeous.  Steak knife it is.  I love having a SAK in my pocket when camping.  Its hard not to bring one since I know their capabilities so well. 

Have some fun trying knots while out.  Great way to pass time while foods cooking.  We very much enjoy car camping as a way to get out yet not be bound by only what we can carry.  The foods a lot better too.  Both my partner and I enjoy using whatever knife we've got on us for prep.  I've even used a small hatchet with not so good results  :D.  She forgot her Eldris last time out which would have been fun to use.

I actually packed some rope already  :tu:... I'll be having some fun with knots (I packed a couple of weeks in advance because I'll be busy until it's time to go)

The Eldris is on my list of things to get.  I don't have a fixed blade yet.  I've seen the Eldris in the flesh and I like it. 

I just have too many knives that I want to get more use out of   :ahhh
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Aloha on April 06, 2021, 04:20:56 AM
I like to bring a variety out and split the day up so I can go thru a few of them.  I do have my favorites but then I get a new fixed blade and the love affair begins all over again.  Its fun and I have a great time playing with knives when out.  There's no need to have as many fixed blades as I do but then again need has never had anything to do with having fun.  I've got hunting knives and I've never hunted or plan on it.  I call them my game processing knives ( steak/chicken/fish ) that we bring for dinner  :D.   

My partner loves her Eldris.  She's a massive Mora fan and her Heavy Duty is her go to.  I have "higer end" fixed blades for her but theres no budging her which is fine by me.  I got her the Eldris which she loves as a neck knife.  Its cute but its a serious knife IMO. 

Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: ElevenBlade on April 07, 2021, 02:20:45 AM
I like to bring a variety out and split the day up so I can go thru a few of them.  I do have my favorites but then I get a new fixed blade and the love affair begins all over again.  Its fun and I have a great time playing with knives when out.  There's no need to have as many fixed blades as I do but then again need has never had anything to do with having fun.  I've got hunting knives and I've never hunted or plan on it.  I call them my game processing knives ( steak/chicken/fish ) that we bring for dinner  :D.   

My partner loves her Eldris.  She's a massive Mora fan and her Heavy Duty is her go to.  I have "higer end" fixed blades for her but theres no budging her which is fine by me.  I got her the Eldris which she loves as a neck knife.  Its cute but its a serious knife IMO.

What I like about the Eldris is that it has 2 different grinds which make it suitable for food prep and woodwork... also the 90-degree spine (which isn't on all the Moras for some odd reason).  I also find that a 5-inch folder is even too big for the finer scraping and feathersticking I like to do.  So the size of the Eldris is pretty on point.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: nate j on April 17, 2021, 10:18:52 PM
As my son's Scout Troop looks to take on longer hikes and potentially more overnight backpacking trips, I find myself approaching middle age.  This combination of factors is causing me to refine my hiking/backpacking carry yet again.  I doubt this will be the last iteration, but here's what I have at the moment:

Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: GearedForwards on April 18, 2021, 07:36:59 AM
Interesting knife! How does it do for digging tasks?
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: nate j on April 19, 2021, 06:44:21 AM
Interesting knife! How does it do for digging tasks?

I'm still getting a feel for it.  First impressions are that it works for digging thanks to the unusual blade shape that is concave on one side and convex on the other (see first pic below).  Probably not as efficient as a dedicated trowel in soft or loose soil, but at least as good if not better in harder soils.

The concave side also has convenient depth/length markings.

Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: GearedForwards on April 19, 2021, 08:24:23 AM
That's really cool, have you been able to try it out much yet? Does it perform okay at tasks you'd expect of a knife that size (light brush clearing and wood processing)?

Holy smokes it's pretty cheap too, it's going on the list!


...In my head I'm pairing it with Kunai  :ahhh
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: nate j on April 20, 2021, 04:16:35 AM
That's really cool, have you been able to try it out much yet? Does it perform okay at tasks you'd expect of a knife that size (light brush clearing and wood processing)?

Holy smokes it's pretty cheap too, it's going on the list!


...In my head I'm pairing it with Kunai  :ahhh

No, haven't really had a chance to do much with it yet.  It seems solid enough to handle some light chopping.  However, the point of balance is about where it says "inch mm" on the blade, and the whole thing only weighs about 10.7 ounces including sheath, so it lacks the forward weight of a great chopper.

I'm also not sure about the steel or hardness; all I can find is "Japanese Stainless".  Apparently there was a special edition made with better steel and hardened to 58 HRC; I'd gladly pay the premium if I could find one of those, but they seem to be sold out everywhere and no longer made as far as I can tell.

Batoning this knife would be a no-go, both because of the curved blade profile and because it is sharp (chisel ground) on both edges (one plain and one serrated).
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Shuya on April 20, 2021, 02:12:17 PM
...
  • Utility - Unless you have some more technical gear that is held together with screws or bolts (thinking skis, crampons, sleds, snowmobiles, maybe climbing equipment), the value of a screwdriver, wrench, or pliers in the wilderness is limited IMO.  Cans (and a can opener) are convenient when car camping, but the weight and bulk of canned goods aren't the best choice for backpacking.  However, additional blades are always welcome for food and or wood use.
...

Even then, a MT isnt used most of the time. I do climbing, trekking and mountaineering a lot. You dont need tools for repairs.
Climbing equipment is checked prior to climbing, en route you dont do repairs. Crampons and stuff: No screws on that. On Crampons the only thing that breaks is the center bar, which has to be replaced with a new one, MAYBE it can be improvised with some string or rope. Tents or sleeping pads? Repaired with glue or tape.
List goes on. A lot of quipment is designed to be maintained without tools. My multifuel camping stove (MSR Whisperlite Universal)  has a small toolset, nothing else is needed.

We overestimate the possibilities we have to repair stuff. This is no MacGyver show. More often, outdoor equipment can be repaired with a simple knife for basic cutting. And unless you carry wire, no pliers is needed at all.
I have a small repair kit when on tour and usually carry a Vic Deluxe Tinker, plenty of useability here.

Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Syncop8r on April 20, 2021, 11:43:22 PM
 :imws:
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: ElevenBlade on April 21, 2021, 01:04:21 AM
Ok... Time for some advice from you wonderful people.

In a couple of weeks I'm going to go car camping... Glamping even.  Low impact.  I'm packing as if I'm staying in a hotel.

I've already packed several knives, and I need your help in narrowing it down to two. Or one, if that is at all possible.

- 5 inch folding hunter that I wish I got more use out of in the days when I'd lash together camp furniture and cooking tripods.
- the pioneer X that I've been using for most everything, and is in my pocket right now
- Skeletool
- Vic one handed Trekker

Anticipated uses - none.  Potential uses - everything.  Realistic uses - whittling pointed sticks

Other available tools - basically all kitchen tools. A hatchet. Well equipped IFAK.

As one would expect of me - I packed all four for my trip. 

I spent two days using the Pioneer X.  I used the awl more than anything else - everything from stripping bark to opening food containers. 
On day #3 I switched to the Trekker.  I used the saw to process wood for my stove, and the knife for food prep and random things, and I continued to use if for the 4th and final day

Unlike previous trips, where I can't decide what I like more... This time the Trekker was the clear winner  :woohoo:
It was fun to use, the saw is great, and the blade is easier to open than the Pioneer X.  It was fun (but maybe not smart) to use the blade for random things that I've been using the in-line awl for  :facepalm:
I know... I know... complete 180* flip to using the blade where other tools will do. 
I'd even considered carrying the Trekker every day - I know that won't do too well for me based on a recent 30-day challenge.  But the thought was entertained. 
For now, though, I think I'll be giving the Trekker the wheel when it comes to outdoor recreation. 
 :tu:
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Syncop8r on April 21, 2021, 03:38:54 AM
 :tu:

I never, ever take an axe for firewood (weight), but even if I did I would still want a saw for making things with a cleaner cut than an axe can give.
Title: Re: what your multi tool choice for hiking/tramping/backpacking?
Post by: Aloha on April 21, 2021, 03:45:46 PM
Always nice to give each tool a spin to see which works best.   :tu: