Post by: ducttapetech on August 13, 2014, 11:58:55 PM
First off, some of my black powder firearms.
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Post by: ducttapetech on August 14, 2014, 12:02:17 AM
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Here is one or two for you auto guys.
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Post by: ducttapetech on August 14, 2014, 12:06:00 AM
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Post by: jerseydevil on August 14, 2014, 12:16:54 AM
And here is a special one. And I am sure Tom will love this one as much as I do.
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:drool: An absolutely beautiful rifle.......
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/DSCF1775_zps6cb123d4.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/DSCF1775_zps6cb123d4.jpg.html)
Love the 1861 Springfield as well Nate, and the Nagant revolver is always an oddball. :tu: Sadly none of my guns are here where I currently rent. :( They're split between a buddy's safe and my mother's house.
Post by: kirk13 on August 14, 2014, 12:21:16 AM
Post by: ducttapetech on August 14, 2014, 12:50:26 AM
Tom, that is a sweet M-1.
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Post by: ironraven on August 14, 2014, 01:02:18 AM
Post by: jerseydevil on August 14, 2014, 01:31:01 AM
Post by: detron on August 14, 2014, 03:45:43 AM
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/69M1_Does_My_Talking.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/69M1_Does_My_Talking.jpg.html)
I fired thousands of rounds out of an M-14. I loved the gun, but I never fired an M-1 to compare.
I will say an M-14 in full auto climbs so fast it is sort of useless :rofl:
Post by: jerseydevil on August 14, 2014, 03:56:40 PM
Post by: daverobson on August 14, 2014, 10:01:02 PM
I can remember doing somersaults & feeling great when I got my firearms certificate in 1978 & that was only for a .22 target rifle.
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on August 14, 2014, 10:51:22 PM
It can be very frustrating reading threads like this when I live in the UK.I know what you mean :(
I can remember doing somersaults & feeling great when I got my firearms certificate in 1978 & that was only for a .22 target rifle.
Most of the firearms I'd like aren't wizzy tactical numbers, but brutally simple rifles like the Savage 42 and M6 scout, but because there combination firearms they apparently need multiple certificates???
I do still miss my ole Lee Enfield No 4 though ::)
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Post by: kirk13 on August 14, 2014, 10:56:45 PM
It can be very frustrating reading threads like this when I live in the UK.I know what you mean :(
I can remember doing somersaults & feeling great when I got my firearms certificate in 1978 & that was only for a .22 target rifle.
Most of the firearms I'd like aren't wizzy tactical numbers, but brutally simple rifles like the Savage 42 and M6 scout, but because there combination firearms they apparently need multiple certificates???
I do still miss my ole Lee Enfield No 4 though ::)
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I seen one of those things that makes me fancy an FAC the other week...a Lee Enfield No.7! Purpose built in 22lr! Most drool worthy thing I've seen since the M1Carbines!
Post by: daverobson on August 15, 2014, 12:10:10 AM
http://rifleman.org.uk/Enfield_Rifle_No.8.html
(http://i61.tinypic.com/24bklqh.jpg)
Here's the first rifle I bought (1978) Anschutz 54 .22lr
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Post by: kirk13 on August 15, 2014, 12:25:16 AM
Here's a pic of the first rifle I ever fired, the Lee Enfield no.8 .22lr
http://rifleman.org.uk/Enfield_Rifle_No.8.html
(http://i61.tinypic.com/24bklqh.jpg)
Here's the first rifle I bought (1978) Anschutz 54 .22lr
(http://i57.tinypic.com/30xepfa.jpg)
Nice one DR! We've an Anschultz like that in the armoury at the club,just nowhere near as :drool:
Post by: jerseydevil on August 15, 2014, 12:28:00 AM
Post by: kirk13 on August 15, 2014, 12:32:14 AM
They make .22LR Lee-Enfields?!? :ahhh WANT!!!!!! Were those made as .22's from the start, or were they .303's that were converted?
I'd asked that to the guy with a No.7. Apparantly the no7s were built as.22 as cadet rifles. ASFASIK the no8s were converted from the unloved no5
Post by: jerseydevil on August 15, 2014, 12:40:45 AM
They make .22LR Lee-Enfields?!? :ahhh WANT!!!!!! Were those made as .22's from the start, or were they .303's that were converted?
I'd asked that to the guy with a No.7. Apparantly the no7s were built as.22 as cadet rifles. ASFASIK the no8s were converted from the unloved no5
UNLOVED?!? It'll knock fillings out of your head from the recoil while blinding you with the flash created by touching off a full power cartridge from an 18.8" barrel, and you can't hit what you're aiming at anyway, but.... :think: OK, unloved works. :) My father had an original Jungle Carbine, and when he moved my middle brother and I came into joint ownership of it. :D It's a fun rifle to shoot, but not for an extended period of time by any means.......
Post by: daverobson on August 15, 2014, 12:50:09 AM
http://www.rifleman.org.uk/Enfield_Rifles_comparison_page.htm
http://www.rifleman.org.uk/Enfield_small-bore_training_rifles.html
Post by: daverobson on August 15, 2014, 12:53:50 AM
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on August 15, 2014, 12:59:35 AM
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Post by: kirk13 on August 15, 2014, 01:01:25 AM
Post by: daverobson on August 15, 2014, 01:11:35 AM
Speaking of converted Lee Enfield's, I had a book years ago where in the late 1800s someone had converted a Lee Enfield or possibly a Lee Metford into a 6round bullpup for the cavalry, but I've never managed to find it on the web ???
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History's first recorded bullpup was the Thorneycroft carbine of 1901. This odd looking bullpup bolt action rifle chamber the .303 round, but had the bolt mechanics near the shoulder, making the Thorneycroft carbine shorter than the typical Enfiled .303 rifle at the time. The gun was developed into a few prototypes, but died a quiet death.
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2cnwg1z.jpg)
Post by: jerseydevil on August 15, 2014, 01:13:25 AM
Very interesting site you linked to BTW, daverobson. I'll be checking it out thoroughly for sure. :tu:
Post by: daverobson on August 15, 2014, 01:19:36 AM
Here it is in action in 1951.
em-2 assault rifle test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtjVf724G7w#)
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Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on August 15, 2014, 10:44:20 AM
I always thought it was a shame the EM2 wasn't adopted as it was a bloody good rifle by all accounts
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Post by: ducttapetech on August 15, 2014, 12:06:27 PM
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Post by: jerseydevil on August 15, 2014, 03:29:18 PM
Post by: Smashie on August 15, 2014, 03:36:29 PM
Bullpups are a conspiracy to keep lefties off the front line..... ;) Seriously, the EM2 was a very good design, and performed well in field testing. The problem was it couldn't be converted to fire 7.62 NATO, and the US Army would NEVER adopt a caliber smaller than that..... ::)
Join the British armed forces then, lefties not a problem, you WILL be taught to shoot right handed :rofl:
No I'm not joking
Post by: jerseydevil on August 15, 2014, 03:38:29 PM
:D I've heard that. Officially, there has never been a left-handed British soldier.....Bullpups are a conspiracy to keep lefties off the front line..... ;) Seriously, the EM2 was a very good design, and performed well in field testing. The problem was it couldn't be converted to fire 7.62 NATO, and the US Army would NEVER adopt a caliber smaller than that..... ::)
Join the British armed forces then, lefties not a problem, you WILL be taught to shoot right handed :rofl:
No I'm not joking
Post by: powernoodle on August 15, 2014, 05:57:45 PM
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Post by: ducttapetech on August 15, 2014, 06:01:28 PM
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Post by: kirk13 on August 16, 2014, 12:18:44 AM
The Lord has blessed me with enough firearms and ammo to supply the Bolivian army for 3 years, so I won't show them all. But this Ruger SR 22 is a fun one. Its basically a 10/22 pretending to be an AR-15.
(http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag137/toddh6/ruger_zpsea7d358f.jpg)
Call me a fuddyduddy,but I prefer the 10/22 in the plain wood stock :tu:
Post by: ironraven on August 16, 2014, 01:40:25 AM
The Lord has blessed me with enough firearms and ammo to supply the Bolivian army for 3 years, so I won't show them all.
Some of us won't mind if you do....
Post by: ducttapetech on August 16, 2014, 02:43:11 AM
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Post by: ducttapetech on August 16, 2014, 01:22:52 PM
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Post by: ducttapetech on August 16, 2014, 01:26:15 PM
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This rifle has some cool history behind it. One is that a it was refitted 1959 and again in 1966 by R.F.I. Part of the refitting included that it was switched from shooting the .303 round to a .308 (7.62) NATO round.
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Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on August 16, 2014, 01:55:53 PM
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Post by: zoidberg on August 16, 2014, 02:28:52 PM
Beautiful just, beautiful mate! They are such lovely rifles :)
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What he said! :tu:
Post by: SAK Guy on August 16, 2014, 02:52:57 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on August 16, 2014, 02:59:59 PM
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Post by: jerseydevil on August 16, 2014, 03:25:09 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on August 16, 2014, 06:29:23 PM
Lovely rifles Nate! :tu: The classic pure battle rifle. Where was your No. 4 made? A lot were made in the US by Savage.Mine is a Savage made one.
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Post by: powernoodle on August 16, 2014, 06:53:01 PM
Call me a fuddyduddy,but I prefer the 10/22 in the plain wood stock :tu:
No worries - I have two of those as well. When we go shooting, I'll take the SR 22 and you can have the 10/22. (http://smileyicons.net/s/1056.gif)
Post by: kirk13 on August 16, 2014, 08:35:21 PM
Call me a fuddyduddy,but I prefer the 10/22 in the plain wood stock :tu:
No worries - I have two of those as well. When we go shooting, I'll take the SR 22 and you can have the 10/22. (http://smileyicons.net/s/1056.gif)
Mega! :D
Post by: ColoSwiss on August 16, 2014, 10:53:25 PM
Done with an HK USP.
Would you believe - Offhand at 50'? (maybe 40 years ago :D)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on August 16, 2014, 11:09:00 PM
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Post by: kirk13 on August 16, 2014, 11:16:43 PM
Does this count? ;)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z231/bluebadger88/misc/20140816_144817_zps4zgv8baw.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/bluebadger88/media/misc/20140816_144817_zps4zgv8baw.jpg.html)
Only if it can fire flaming bolts :D
Very nice Mr Whippy! What's the draw weight?
Post by: Mr. Whippy on August 16, 2014, 11:29:55 PM
Does this count? ;)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z231/bluebadger88/misc/20140816_144817_zps4zgv8baw.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/bluebadger88/media/misc/20140816_144817_zps4zgv8baw.jpg.html)
Only if it can fire flaming bolts :D
Very nice Mr Whippy! What's the draw weight?
200 lbs. 340 GPS bolt speed. Approved for deer hunting
Edit to add: FPS. Stupid phone :twak:
Post by: Smashie on August 16, 2014, 11:32:50 PM
Does this count? ;)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z231/bluebadger88/misc/20140816_144817_zps4zgv8baw.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/bluebadger88/media/misc/20140816_144817_zps4zgv8baw.jpg.html)
Only if it can fire flaming bolts :D
Very nice Mr Whippy! What's the draw weight?
200 lbs. 340 GPS bolt speed. Approved for deer hunting
Oh that rocks big time :D
Post by: kirk13 on August 16, 2014, 11:38:53 PM
Does this count? ;)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z231/bluebadger88/misc/20140816_144817_zps4zgv8baw.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/bluebadger88/media/misc/20140816_144817_zps4zgv8baw.jpg.html)
Only if it can fire flaming bolts :D
Very nice Mr Whippy! What's the draw weight?
200 lbs. 340 GPS bolt speed. Approved for deer hunting
Oh that rocks big time :D
What he said!
Post by: zoidberg on August 16, 2014, 11:55:14 PM
And then some. :tu:Does this count? ;)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z231/bluebadger88/misc/20140816_144817_zps4zgv8baw.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/bluebadger88/media/misc/20140816_144817_zps4zgv8baw.jpg.html)
Only if it can fire flaming bolts :D
Very nice Mr Whippy! What's the draw weight?
200 lbs. 340 GPS bolt speed. Approved for deer hunting
Oh that rocks big time :D
What he said!
Post by: ducttapetech on August 17, 2014, 02:00:26 PM
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Post by: Smashie on August 17, 2014, 02:06:18 PM
That is a sweet crossbow!
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Sweet doesn't even come close! I'm seriously rethinking my Jessica Alba fantasy after seeing that :ahhh
Post by: PTRSAK on August 17, 2014, 02:56:02 PM
Miroku Model 10 Sporting 12G
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/asset0041_zps04d61c3b.jpg)
Savage 112BVSS in 22-250. Nikko Stirling Targetmaster 6-24x44 AO scope
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/asset0044_zpsc83a9b41.jpg)
M96 Swedish Mauser 6.5x55 1903 Carl Gustov. Now in a sporter stock. Nikko Stirling 4x40 Silver Crown scope
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/asset0045_zps2bee3ae2.jpg)
Savage 17LV Varmint 22LR. Tasco 4-16x40 AO scope
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/asset0042_zps0acfa7b6.jpg)
KAR M98 Mauser in 300 WinMag. (you girls think your .303s kick?!?!) 3.5-10x45 Nikko Stirling Platinum scope
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/asset0043_zps0acfa7b6.jpg)
Colt 1911 Govt Model Series 70 45ACP. Wilson Combat internals, Millett sights
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/asset0050_zpsaa8a4c16.jpg)
Browning Buckmark with PDP3
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/asset0047_zps1c10adb7.jpg)
S&W 686 based NRA match gun. .357/.38, Match barrel, Barricade wings, Ball locks, Trigger job, PDP4
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/asset0046_zps39543ffd.jpg)
S&W model 14 Ball locks, trigger job, Millett sights
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/asset0049_zps0f32f95d.jpg)
S&W Model 29/2 with Tasco 1x35 LER scope.
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/asset0048_zpsa65742b8.jpg)
Post by: kirk13 on August 17, 2014, 02:58:49 PM
I could really take a fancy to that Buckmark :drool:
Post by: ducttapetech on August 17, 2014, 04:34:49 PM
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Post by: PTRSAK on August 17, 2014, 11:14:41 PM
Some proper heavy artillery there Peter!
I could really take a fancy to that Buckmark :drool:
Yeah, my fav' was the Model 29. 44 Magnum. 6 1/2" barrel. Was one of the earlier ones when there was still a bit of hand fitting in the building process. Beautifully made.
Was always a laugh to shoot Police & Service match with it using full power ammo. A match of 108 rounds over 4 distances. Usually shot with minimum load .38spl out of the Model 14 above. The 7 yard stage is 12 shots in 12 seconds on 2 targets. 3 and 3, reload, 3 and 3, shot from the holster. 12 shots of full power 44 magnum as fast as you can pull the trigger :) now you know they've gone off!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on August 17, 2014, 11:39:02 PM
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Post by: PTRSAK on August 18, 2014, 04:04:41 AM
Yes, 200 not 100. Was shot first thing in the morning before wind or heat mirage became an issue.
Post by: ducttapetech on October 06, 2014, 12:39:32 AM
A 50 Pounder Mountain Howitzer!!! This thing is wicked awesome!!
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/10/06/qygyzu7u.jpg)
Nate
Post by: RimfireNZ on October 06, 2014, 01:24:41 AM
On the left, my brothers Savage 93R17 BVSS.
On the right, my 16" shortened, suppressed Savage 93R17 BRJ. Topped with a Leupold VX1 4-12.
(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/RimfireNZ/IMG_5945_zps9c39fc86.jpg)
It was very hard to find a picture of this without dead bunnies in it! This particular rifle is in quadruple figures for bunny kills and same for possum kills. It's lasting very well considering how badly it gets treated (it's a farm gun).
The barrel ends at the suppressor (it's a can). Legally as short as it can be over here.
(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/RimfireNZ/17-cover2.png)
I love my Savages (particularly the smaller caliber ones). Awesome guns. Not as much attention to detail as the CZ 452/455... but they're accurate and tough.
Post by: jerseydevil on October 06, 2014, 03:17:14 AM
I wish this was one of my guns, but I got to shoot it anyway! Always wanted to shoot one.
A 50 Pounder Mountain Howitzer!!! This thing is wicked awesome!!
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/10/06/qygyzu7u.jpg)
Nate
:drool: WANT!
Too bad gray or butternut artillerymen couldn't hit anything....... ::)
Post by: powernoodle on October 06, 2014, 03:58:38 AM
And btw, those cannons are awesome. I saw some revolutionary war cannons being fired, and its difficult to describe just how loud those suckers are.
Post by: JBW1 on October 06, 2014, 05:37:44 AM
Post by: JBW1 on October 06, 2014, 05:50:00 AM
1874 Gatlin
1917 Browning
Post by: ducttapetech on October 06, 2014, 03:21:05 PM
Yeah the Mountain Howitzer while light and could be easily moved about, lacked in range and not be able to hit a large barn. Most of the South at that time where using mainly old smooth bores. Didn't have the nice newer rifled ones. Still, what a rush to shoot one.I wish this was one of my guns, but I got to shoot it anyway! Always wanted to shoot one.
A 50 Pounder Mountain Howitzer!!! This thing is wicked awesome!!
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/10/06/qygyzu7u.jpg)
Nate
:drool: WANT!
Too bad gray or butternut artillerymen couldn't hit anything....... ::)
Nate
Post by: jerseydevil on October 06, 2014, 04:57:17 PM
As to Confederate artillery, their biggest issue was a lack of reliable fuses. At Gettysburg for example, most of the shells fired ahead of Pickett's Charge passed over the Union lines without exploding. It did little to soften up the Union positions, with disasterous results......
Post by: JBW1 on October 08, 2014, 12:35:11 AM
Post by: ducttapetech on October 08, 2014, 12:45:27 AM
Nate
Post by: Gareth on October 08, 2014, 12:16:36 PM
(http://danceslut.net/photography/Faires/Folsom2002/BreechLoadingCannon.jpg)
A medieval breach loading gun. I've got some excellent friends. :D
PS, not my pic, but I believe it's the same gun.
Post by: ducttapetech on October 08, 2014, 12:30:22 PM
Nate
Post by: JBW1 on October 15, 2014, 06:25:04 AM
Oh notice the belly button lint that came out of the slide?? Guy was saying that it was jamming a lot, I'm gonna ask if he kept it in his shirt by his stomach haha
Post by: ironraven on October 16, 2014, 01:39:15 AM
The head engineer at Grendle is the founder of Kel-tec. There is a reason there are a lot of similiarities.
Post by: jerseydevil on October 16, 2014, 01:45:12 AM
@ironraven - the P-12 used a detachable box magazine. The P-10 used stripper clips, and yes the clips for M16 magazines would work.
Post by: cbl51 on October 18, 2014, 10:44:48 AM
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5590/15062268305_ece3c4ca34_c.jpg)
This old boy has been with me since 1972. Been a lot of places since then. Camping/backpacking trips, canoe trips, cross country touring.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5562/14875610460_e28c2d31a9_c.jpg)
For when it absolutely has to be very concealed…
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3930/15419648565_bc971396b6_c.jpg)
Post by: dks on October 18, 2014, 12:25:37 PM
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 18, 2014, 12:27:47 PM
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Post by: JBW1 on October 18, 2014, 04:36:01 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on October 18, 2014, 05:15:13 PM
Nate
Post by: lister on October 18, 2014, 06:55:34 PM
my wife has a NA Arms too, but I put a pocket clip handle on it, she likes it, and its pretty fun to shoot :D
Ok, so it folds, but where the hell is the corkscrew? :D
Post by: captain spaulding on October 18, 2014, 07:37:06 PM
my wife has a NA Arms too, but I put a pocket clip handle on it, she likes it, and its pretty fun to shoot :D
Ok, so it folds, but where the hell is the corkscrew? :D
No corkscrew, but they do have a bayonet and laser for them. Not to mention all the different belt buckles.
(http://armsinfo.com/images/naamini/minibayonet.jpg)
http://armsinfo.com/images/naamini/minibayonet.jpg
https://www.google.com/search?q=naa+mini+revolver+knife&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=667&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=5qRCVMuXA-aGigLq2IGIBQ&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAw#tbm=isch&q=naa+mini+revolver+belt+buckle
Post by: lister on October 18, 2014, 08:13:44 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on October 18, 2014, 09:27:48 PM
And it appears that you can use the bayonet and the folding grip at the same time! :D
I does appear you could on the newer style folding grip.
Post by: kirk13 on October 19, 2014, 03:02:20 PM
Post by: jerseydevil on October 19, 2014, 03:06:39 PM
I'm rather pleased...I got to pop off five rounds with a No7 Lee Enfield :D :woohoo:
Always fun, even if it's only a .22....... :tu: Did you do it "mad minute" style? ;)
Post by: kirk13 on October 19, 2014, 03:25:31 PM
I'm rather pleased...I got to pop off five rounds with a No7 Lee Enfield :D :woohoo:
Always fun, even if it's only a .22....... :tu: Did you do it "mad minute" style? ;)
Sadly no!
Saying that,I'd like one...I'd like one a lot!
Post by: Smashie on October 19, 2014, 03:38:30 PM
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 19, 2014, 03:51:59 PM
I'm rather pleased...I got to pop off five rounds with a No7 Lee Enfield :D :woohoo:I'm not jealous, honest :(
I shot one years ago and there a lovely rifle, and if I remember rightly (was at least 15 years ago) hardly any recoil due to the weight :)
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Post by: kirk13 on October 19, 2014, 06:42:47 PM
I'm rather pleased...I got to pop off five rounds with a No7 Lee Enfield :D :woohoo:I'm not jealous, honest :(
I shot one years ago and there a lovely rifle, and if I remember rightly (was at least 15 years ago) hardly any recoil due to the weight :)
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TBH Mike,I hadn't thought much about the recoil,but yes,your not wrong. I was more aware if the much older ergonomics,and much heavier action. I've fired bolt actions before,but they've either been little Toz from Russia or full on precision rifles like Anschultz .
I did tell the owner he'd for-filled one of my small life ambitions. The kid who grew up reading Warlord and Commando finally shot a Lee Enfield!
Post by: Gareth on October 19, 2014, 06:51:53 PM
Post by: kirk13 on October 19, 2014, 07:32:51 PM
Very cool mate. 8) A little different from your normal BSA eh? :D
Just a bit ;)
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 19, 2014, 07:35:07 PM
This thread got me looking at air rifles and pistols again ::)I'm rather pleased...I got to pop off five rounds with a No7 Lee Enfield :D :woohoo:I'm not jealous, honest :(
I shot one years ago and there a lovely rifle, and if I remember rightly (was at least 15 years ago) hardly any recoil due to the weight :)
Sent from the astropathic choir.
TBH Mike,I hadn't thought much about the recoil,but yes,your not wrong. I was more aware if the much older ergonomics,and much heavier action. I've fired bolt actions before,but they've either been little Toz from Russia or full on precision rifles like Anschultz .
I did tell the owner he'd for-filled one of my small life ambitions. The kid who grew up reading Warlord and Commando finally shot a Lee Enfield!
Sent from the astropathic choir.
Post by: JBW1 on October 19, 2014, 08:22:56 PM
Post by: JBW1 on October 19, 2014, 08:23:47 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on October 20, 2014, 02:21:32 AM
Nate
Post by: jerseydevil on October 20, 2014, 02:27:26 AM
No kidding! Black powder firearms is still pretty cheap to shoot. So far.
Nate
Well, that depends I suppose. My Martini-Henry and Gewehr 71/84 aren't exactly cheap to feed........
Post by: ducttapetech on October 20, 2014, 02:42:31 AM
Nate
Post by: JBW1 on October 20, 2014, 02:53:38 AM
Yeah, but I reload and cast my bullets.DUDE! :salute:
Nate
Post by: jerseydevil on October 20, 2014, 03:39:19 AM
Yeah, but I reload and cast my bullets.
Nate
There you go. :tu: I don't cast my own bullets, but do handload several calibers. The .43 Mauser is pretty easy, and I have a good amount of brass for it from my father. The .577-450 is a bit more difficult. The brass we have was converted from .577 Nitro Express cases. The loading dies for it are so large that Dad had to have a press drilled out to handle them! :o I've fired commercial .577-450 from Old Western Scrounger, who manufacture a number of odd and obsolete calibers. Have a 33 Winchester you want to shoot? They're your guys. Expensive stuff though, the Martini fodder ran about $50 for a box of ten, and it turned out they were Berdan primed and we couldn't reload them. >:( Another option for the Martini-Henry we had which works very well is an adapter that allows .45 Long Colt to be fired from the rifle. Fun times, and whenever I've had that rifle to my shoulder, I have this going through my head...... :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NuTaQsMNaE&noredirect=1
Post by: ducttapetech on October 20, 2014, 11:18:47 AM
Nate
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 21, 2014, 04:56:05 AM
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 21, 2014, 09:00:19 AM
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Post by: pfrsantos on October 21, 2014, 06:05:47 PM
my wife has a NA Arms too, but I put a pocket clip handle on it, she likes it, and its pretty fun to shoot :D
With thumb studs and AO, that would be great!
:tu: :tu:
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 21, 2014, 07:25:14 PM
Not that I've ever shot one, or would have the slightest opportunity too ::)
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Post by: jerseydevil on October 22, 2014, 01:38:59 AM
Anyone else have a fascination with SMG/PDW? Of all the firearm types out there, there the ones I find most interesting :)
Not that I've ever shot one, or would have the slightest opportunity too ::)
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Submachine guns are neat. I've fired an authentic M1928A1 Thompson and an M3A1. Fun stuff! The Thompson was very controllable on full-auto. All that weight and the Blish Lock keeping the rate of fire down really helped. The Grease Gun not so much, compared to the Thompson it felt flimsy as all hell.
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 22, 2014, 02:59:48 AM
If you ever get over here to the US, a lot of shooting ranges rent a variety of pistols and semi-auto rifles. Stopped by one out in Honolulu a few years back that specifically catered to overseas visitors from places like Japan where most shooting is banned.
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 22, 2014, 10:23:56 AM
I just find that there so diverse in there designs, from out and out crude to very sophisticated and everything in between :)
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Post by: Gareth on October 23, 2014, 09:01:24 AM
I would be tempted all right! :)
I just find that there so diverse in there designs, from out and out crude to very sophisticated and everything in between :)
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You mean like one of these?
(http://chivethebrigade.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/sten-gun-13.jpg?w=500&h=314)
Which got replaced with one of these
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2fgdd8Q931qiisfpo4_500.jpg)
I have handled a (deactivated) Sten, and it was indeed crude as hell. By all account the Sterling is a much more refined design.
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 23, 2014, 09:17:53 AM
I've field striped a Stifling and that was a very well made firearm, but then it was in service for hundreds of years so it had to of been :D
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Post by: Gareth on October 23, 2014, 10:02:15 AM
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/b/b8/Sw084-c.jpg)
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 23, 2014, 10:58:50 AM
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Post by: ColoSwiss on October 24, 2014, 03:20:47 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlton_Automatic_Rifle
Post by: jerseydevil on October 24, 2014, 03:59:38 AM
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 24, 2014, 10:28:12 AM
Some of those rifle/lmg hybrids look damn scary to me! They must have been almost impossible to control with the light weight, and full power cartridge :/
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Post by: Gareth on October 24, 2014, 11:28:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98c2t_uK5Uo&list=UUrfKGpvbEQXcbe68dzXgJuA&index=19
This is the perfect pistol for you if you have Dan Dare fantasies I'd say. 8)
Post by: ducttapetech on October 24, 2014, 12:12:54 PM
Nate
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 24, 2014, 12:22:23 PM
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Post by: ducttapetech on October 24, 2014, 12:41:30 PM
But, I stupid like that a times. ;D
Nate
Post by: kirk13 on October 24, 2014, 03:15:18 PM
If we're getting into the weird and wacky then I do think this Rocket Pistol needs a mention.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98c2t_uK5Uo&list=UUrfKGpvbEQXcbe68dzXgJuA&index=19
This is the perfect pistol for you if you have Dan Dare fantasies I'd say. 8)
They were used in one of the Bond movies I think :think:
Post by: jerseydevil on October 24, 2014, 05:40:55 PM
http://www.forgottenweapons.com/
There's some very cool stuff here, including videos showing some real oddballs in action.
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 24, 2014, 06:07:39 PM
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Post by: pfrsantos on October 24, 2014, 06:10:52 PM
I think I've posted this site before, but here it is again.
http://www.forgottenweapons.com/
There's some very cool stuff here, including videos showing some real oddballs in action.
Great site! I want a harmonica gun!
:D :D :D :D
Post by: matzesu on October 24, 2014, 08:57:55 PM
This "Nazi SS Belt Pistol Thing" was also interesting, but also a bit strange, i mean how whil you aim if you have to look on your belt..
In Germany, Guns are banned, so whe have to watch american Youtube Chanels, or Mike Spreave whit his Slingshots :)
Never fired a Fireweapon because this, just a Air Rifle on a Shootingrange long time ago, and some Bows,
But as whit Rifles, also the old Nazis are banned, so no hopefully no SS Man who shoots peaple whit his Belt...
Mybe i get me a Slingshoot once, just to have something to play whit, but i dotnt understand why you Americans need Fireweapons..
They not even that Usefull as a Schweizer Taschenmesser (Swiss Army Knife)
But the Problem is in Amerika: everyone had the right to own one, your friend and your enemy, so you ditnt have a changse to put they in the Bin ..
They are realy cool guns out there, and i can you understand why you all are Firearm Fans, but please: dotnt shoot on livings..
Post by: kirk13 on October 24, 2014, 10:17:13 PM
I think I've posted this site before, but here it is again.
http://www.forgottenweapons.com/
There's some very cool stuff here, including videos showing some real oddballs in action.
Sweet! Bookmarked,thank you very much :salute:
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 25, 2014, 12:03:48 AM
If we're getting into the weird and wacky then I do think this Rocket Pistol needs a mention.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98c2t_uK5Uo&list=UUrfKGpvbEQXcbe68dzXgJuA&index=19
This is the perfect pistol for you if you have Dan Dare fantasies I'd say. 8)
They were used in one of the Bond movies I think :think:
"You Only Live Twice", one of my favorite Bond movies.
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 25, 2014, 12:10:42 AM
Post by: kirk13 on October 25, 2014, 12:52:07 AM
Another odd-ball pistol, the Dardick. It fired 'trounds', either specially made or using adapters to hold conventional ammo.
Oh man,I've not even heard of one of those in years!
Post by: captain spaulding on October 25, 2014, 01:15:55 AM
Another odd-ball pistol, the Dardick. It fired 'trounds', either specially made or using adapters to hold conventional ammo.
Very cool.
I have always wondered about a revolver with a magazine to increase capacity and this is what I had imagined.
Post by: jerseydevil on October 25, 2014, 01:25:13 AM
Another odd-ball pistol, the Dardick. It fired 'trounds', either specially made or using adapters to hold conventional ammo.
Very cool.
I have always wondered about a revolver with a magazine to increase capacity and this is what I had imagined.
There are automatic cannons that are magazine fed revolvers as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolver_cannon
Post by: jerseydevil on October 25, 2014, 01:26:56 AM
I think I've posted this site before, but here it is again.
http://www.forgottenweapons.com/
There's some very cool stuff here, including videos showing some real oddballs in action.
Sweet! Bookmarked,thank you very much :salute:
It's an easy site to waste several hours on, be warned. I stumbled across it a while ago trying to find video of a Webley-Fosbery. Still my dream handgun. :dd:
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 25, 2014, 02:59:12 AM
I think I've posted this site before, but here it is again.
http://www.forgottenweapons.com/
There's some very cool stuff here, including videos showing some real oddballs in action.
Sweet! Bookmarked,thank you very much :salute:
It's an easy site to waste several hours on, be warned. I stumbled across it a while ago trying to find video of a Webley-Fosbery. Still my dream handgun. :dd:
There are automatic revolvers that are combination automatics and revolvers. However the term was also widely used back around 1900 for break-open revolvers with automatic ejection.
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 25, 2014, 03:06:37 AM
The Mars Automatic Pistol, also sometimes known as the Webley-Mars, was a semi-automatic pistol developed in 1900 by the Englishman Hugh Gabbet-Fairfax and distributed by the Mars Automatic Pistol Syndicate Ltd. of Birmingham. It was manufactured first by Webley & Scott and later by small gunmakers in Birmingham and London. Manufacture ceased in 1907.
The Mars Automatic Pistol is noted for being available in a variety of 8.5 mm, 9 mm and .45 calibres. These were all bottlenecked cartridges with a large charge of powder, making the .45 version the most powerful handgun in the world for a time. It used a unique long recoil rotating bolt action which ejected spent cartridges straight to the rear.
The Mars Automatic Pistol was rejected by the British War Office as a possible replacement for the Webley & Scott Revolver, then in service with the British Army, because of the unacceptably large recoil, considerable muzzle flash, and mechanical complexity. The captain in charge of tests of the Mars at the Naval Gunnery School in 1902 observed, "No one who fired once with the pistol wished to shoot it again". Shooting the Mars pistol was described as "singularly unpleasant and alarming".[2] It has since become a collectors' item because of its rarity and as an example of the earliest developments in semi-automatic pistols. It inspired the design of the present day Desert Eagle.[citation needed]
Post by: VictorLouis on October 25, 2014, 11:03:19 PM
hose suckers and big and heavy compared to today's 9mm pocket pistols. Some guys no doubt carry a 1911 on a daily basis, but you gotta commit to it. I'll be sticking with something small, light and spicy in the pocket - Kahr PM9, S&W 442, etc.The one you HAVE WITH YOU, damn sure beats the one you left in the car, or at home!
Working on a Grendel inc. P12 tonight.
I had one of those for a while....Let's just say he's come a LONG way in design ability.
Post by: Millhouse on October 27, 2014, 01:16:02 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 27, 2014, 02:21:37 AM
FP-45 Liberator, another oddball.
Supposedly the only pistol in history it took less time to make than to load. Thought the Deer Gun may fall in that category too.
They almost make a Sten look elegant.
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 27, 2014, 09:30:56 AM
I mean there about as last ditch as you can get really :\
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Post by: jerseydevil on October 27, 2014, 12:52:50 PM
Post by: Millhouse on October 27, 2014, 02:09:23 PM
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 27, 2014, 02:53:07 PM
The idea behind the Liberator and Deer Gun was that they'd be dropped behind enemy lines. Resistance fighters would use them to kill an enemy soldier and take his weapon to use. As for acutal use, I read once that there's not a single documented case of an FP-45 being put to its intended use.Yeah Id read that in a book about guerilla warfare, and that the allies had a devil of a job trying to account for all these perfect assassination weapons they'd dropped throughout Europe!
And I can see the relationship mate :)
Although a PPD (?) Does look better :)
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Post by: ColoSwiss on October 27, 2014, 11:08:44 PM
Post by: jerseydevil on October 28, 2014, 02:41:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaSui_UqDX8
Post by: JBW1 on October 28, 2014, 01:00:45 PM
I don't think his abnormally skinny legs could move fast enough
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 28, 2014, 03:28:39 PM
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Post by: Gareth on October 28, 2014, 06:51:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KunQNYDsNEs
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 28, 2014, 08:01:35 PM
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Post by: pfrsantos on October 30, 2014, 12:45:49 PM
500 Smith&Wesson tree fail. 10/11/14 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA9nTNelQ6o#ws)
Same here:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg2qj29EReE)
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 30, 2014, 10:27:24 PM
Actually I don't know if this is for real or not, but if it is I don't want to be on the same range with it.
Post by: kirk13 on October 30, 2014, 10:35:32 PM
That's for wimps…
Actually I don't know if this is for real or not, but if it is I don't want to be on the same range with it.
Whiskey
Tango
Foxtrot!
:ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 30, 2014, 11:39:26 PM
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Post by: captain spaulding on October 31, 2014, 01:13:48 AM
That's for wimps…
Actually I don't know if this is for real or not, but if it is I don't want to be on the same range with it.
I very much doubt that is real, but you never know. I'm just thinking a .50 BMG out of a revolver would just break your wrist.
One thing that is real is the T-Rex.
Shooting Gun Test - 577 Tyrannosaur T-rex Gun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrImp-ek3bI#)
The .950 is also real as well.
The Guys from Knight Rifles "Americas Muzzleloader" Shoot the .950 JDJ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xohy9gWz7kk#ws)
Post by: zoidberg on October 31, 2014, 01:28:33 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 31, 2014, 04:48:33 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_bore
(I didn't like my Dad's 7mm Magnum, and that was before arthritis precluded anything heavier than a .22 from the shoulder. My shoulder hurts just thinking about these.)
Post by: Mike 56 on October 31, 2014, 06:44:11 AM
Mike
Post by: captain spaulding on October 31, 2014, 07:05:09 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 31, 2014, 11:15:46 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on October 31, 2014, 11:17:17 PM
I've owned a fair number of firearms over the past 40 years, but currently only have a couple of pistols. When I was shooting in competition back in the 1970s I had an Expert rating with the pistol. However that was long ago. A recent trip to the range was less than impressive. (It's amazing how much crosswind there is in an indoor range ::))Sounds like a bad batch of ammo to me.
Nate
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 31, 2014, 11:28:32 PM
I've owned a fair number of firearms over the past 40 years, but currently only have a couple of pistols. When I was shooting in competition back in the 1970s I had an Expert rating with the pistol. However that was long ago. A recent trip to the range was less than impressive. (It's amazing how much crosswind there is in an indoor range ::))Sounds like a bad batch of ammo to me.
Nate
That works too. :D
Post by: jerseydevil on October 31, 2014, 11:47:45 PM
8X56r is fun out of the Styer M95. Wood stock and metal butt pad. No recoil reduction at all. Their fun. :D
The carbines are a handful, that's for sure. The full-length M95 rifles are very comfortable to shoot. I think straight pulls are neat.
Post by: captain spaulding on November 01, 2014, 12:32:30 AM
8X56r is fun out of the Styer M95. Wood stock and metal butt pad. No recoil reduction at all. Their fun. :D
The carbines are a handful, that's for sure. The full-length M95 rifles are very comfortable to shoot. I think straight pulls are neat.
Straight pulls are cool. I was very hesitant the first time I shot one as it was a 100+ year old rifle and being a straight pull I just had thoughts of the bolt shooting back and tearing half my face off.
Post by: jerseydevil on November 01, 2014, 12:38:49 AM
8X56r is fun out of the Styer M95. Wood stock and metal butt pad. No recoil reduction at all. Their fun. :D
The carbines are a handful, that's for sure. The full-length M95 rifles are very comfortable to shoot. I think straight pulls are neat.
Straight pulls are cool. I was very hesitant the first time I shot one as it was a 100+ year old rifle and being a straight pull I just had thoughts of the bolt shooting back and tearing half my face off.
Yep, see the video I posted about the Ross earlier in the thread. That's the legend of that rifle. I know that a number of years ago the owner of Sarco, which was a large surplus firearms dealer located here in NJ, was killed when the bolt separated from the M1895 Lee Navy straight pull he was shooting.
Post by: captain spaulding on November 01, 2014, 01:28:59 AM
8X56r is fun out of the Styer M95. Wood stock and metal butt pad. No recoil reduction at all. Their fun. :D
The carbines are a handful, that's for sure. The full-length M95 rifles are very comfortable to shoot. I think straight pulls are neat.
Straight pulls are cool. I was very hesitant the first time I shot one as it was a 100+ year old rifle and being a straight pull I just had thoughts of the bolt shooting back and tearing half my face off.
Yep, see the video I posted about the Ross earlier in the thread. That's the legend of that rifle. I know that a number of years ago the owner of Sarco, which was a large surplus firearms dealer located here in NJ, was killed when the bolt separated from the M1895 Lee Navy straight pull he was shooting.
Damn! I guess my worries were not for nothing then. :o
Post by: zoidberg on November 01, 2014, 01:54:48 AM
8X56r is fun out of the Styer M95. Wood stock and metal butt pad. No recoil reduction at all. Their fun. :D
The carbines are a handful, that's for sure. The full-length M95 rifles are very comfortable to shoot. I think straight pulls are neat.
Straight pulls are cool. I was very hesitant the first time I shot one as it was a 100+ year old rifle and being a straight pull I just had thoughts of the bolt shooting back and tearing half my face off.
Yep, see the video I posted about the Ross earlier in the thread. That's the legend of that rifle. I know that a number of years ago the owner of Sarco, which was a large surplus firearms dealer located here in NJ, was killed when the bolt separated from the M1895 Lee Navy straight pull he was shooting.
Damn! I guess my worries were not for nothing then. :o
Yikes. :o
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 01, 2014, 03:32:20 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glisenti_Model_1910
Post by: Chako on November 01, 2014, 10:14:15 PM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6572small_zps272fed8d.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6572small_zps272fed8d.jpg.html)
I only have a CP99 Compact BB gun to try it out on...and the barrel is a tad too short to lock the bayonet onto the pistol. This probably means I may have to get my Pal, and then the restricted weapons licence to buy a pistol to fit this accessory.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6574small_zpscf30dca2.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6574small_zpscf30dca2.jpg.html)
I must say, a bit hilarious and functional last ditch accessory.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6575small_zps2f5ed6f7.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6575small_zps2f5ed6f7.jpg.html)
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 01, 2014, 11:49:39 PM
I am really enjoying this thread. I have been toying with taking the course for my PAL, which is required to buy firearms in Canada for a little over a year now. I re-visited the local gun/archery shop and bought something that just might make me get my PAL. In fact, I called the instructor and left a message on his phone in order to take the course. This little item might be the push I need lol.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6572small_zps272fed8d.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6572small_zps272fed8d.jpg.html)
I only have a CP99 Compact BB gun to try it out on...and the barrel is a tad too short to lock the bayonet onto the pistol. This probably means I may have to get my Pal, and then the restricted weapons licence to buy a pistol to fit this accessory.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6574small_zpscf30dca2.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6574small_zpscf30dca2.jpg.html)
I must say, a bit hilarious and functional last ditch accessory.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6575small_zps2f5ed6f7.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6575small_zps2f5ed6f7.jpg.html)
A bayonet on a rifle is of questionable utility. Think they had a hard time coming up with any documented uses in WWII.
A bayonet on a pistol? :facepalm:
Though it does fit in with your collection of odd-ball stuff.
Good luck on your PAL. :tu:
Post by: Chako on November 02, 2014, 12:37:55 AM
EDIT: WhooHoo!!!
LaserLyte PB-3 Pistol Bayonet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORARB2uidp8#ws)
:rofl: :o :rofl:
Post by: pfrsantos on November 03, 2014, 05:49:24 PM
:facepalm: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 03, 2014, 07:03:50 PM
Clint Eastwood with a pair of MP40s in "Where Eagles Dare".
Post by: Chako on November 06, 2014, 04:09:37 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on November 06, 2014, 04:18:50 AM
Got the PAL course lined up for later this month. Can't wait to take it. Going to be 3 nights of 6 to 10 pm. Afterwards, I would like to take my prohibited course as well.
Good job. You should be proud. :tu:
If you thought multitools were addicting wait until you get into firearms. :ahhh
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 06, 2014, 04:24:31 AM
Got the PAL course lined up for later this month. Can't wait to take it. Going to be 3 nights of 6 to 10 pm. Afterwards, I would like to take my prohibited course as well.
Sounds like Infantry Basic. Have fun!
Post by: Chako on November 06, 2014, 06:13:43 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 06, 2014, 07:10:06 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeMat_Revolver
Post by: kirk13 on November 06, 2014, 10:16:48 AM
An Oldie-and-Goodie - The LeMat. Basically a nine-shot revolver with a 20 gauge shotgun in the middle. Fairly widely used by the Confederacy during the US Civil War.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeMat_Revolver
I do fancy one of those :drool:
Post by: Gareth on November 06, 2014, 11:58:43 AM
That looks excellent. Why would you not want 9 shots and a shotgun? 8)
Post by: ducttapetech on November 06, 2014, 01:35:46 PM
I always want to get one of those and a Whitworth rifle.
Post by: Gareth on November 07, 2014, 09:29:32 AM
Wolverines! :viking:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQpfQd1397E
:doh:
Post by: Chako on November 07, 2014, 12:14:16 PM
It has a knife. :drool: :rofl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAvYQSsGdMw
Post by: pfrsantos on November 07, 2014, 01:15:00 PM
Mall Ninja Tactical Destroyer! :ninja:
Wolverines! :viking:
:doh:
Zombie Training Compound?! I see no zombies training...
As for the kick, that thing is nothing compared to a Derringer .22!
WTF is this thing called? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtQNnlQLlwk#ws)
:facepalm:
Post by: pfrsantos on November 07, 2014, 01:18:32 PM
Deadliest weapons ever invented- Metal Storm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFjGbOyd2ek#)
8) 8) 8) 8)
Post by: pfrsantos on November 07, 2014, 01:21:38 PM
Giant Vortex Cannon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrgTtZXuj4w#)
:gimme: :gimme: :gimme: :gimme:
Post by: jerseydevil on November 08, 2014, 03:19:56 AM
No kidding!
I always want to get one of those and a Whitworth rifle.
I have a .45 caliber hexagonal Whitworth bullet somewhere. :) At Gettysburg the Confederates had two Whitworth breech-loading cannon, also with hexagonal bores.
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/whitworth_zps9ce49ba2.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/whitworth_zps9ce49ba2.jpg.html)
In the contemporary accounts of the cannonade before Pickett's Charge, many Union soldiers recalled the distinctive sound the bolts fired from these guns made as they went by, all over the field. Impressive considering there were only two guns on Oak Hill, on the Rebel left.
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 08, 2014, 05:40:58 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panjandrum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cyBcGDzQzI
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on November 08, 2014, 10:58:23 AM
Sent from the astropathic choir.
Post by: Chako on November 08, 2014, 11:08:44 AM
Me knowing so much about guns...asked the guy behind the counter...is that the gun Dirty Harry carried. He laughed and said no. That there is a 50cal revolver. :o
Post by: captain spaulding on November 08, 2014, 07:34:05 PM
My local gun shop has a S&W 500 X-frame revolver for sale.
Me knowing so much about guns...asked the guy behind the counter...is that the gun Dirty Harry carried. He laughed and said no. That there is a 50cal revolver. :o
The S&W .500 has been around for a few years now. I would suggest not buying one as your first gun though. :pok: You would almost certainly develop bad habits dealing with the recoil and it would transfer over to any other gun you shot. Now that I think about it I am just assuming you have no experience. Have you ever fired a gun?
Dirty Harry had a .44 Magnum in the movie. At the time it was the most powerful handgun in the world. Now a days...... not so much. The .44 Magnum is still a incredible round for revolvers and is absolutely nothing to take lightly.
Post by: jerseydevil on November 08, 2014, 08:30:52 PM
Dirty Harry had a .44 Magnum in the movie. At the time it was the most powerful handgun in the world. Now a days...... not so much. The .44 Magnum is still a incredible round for revolvers and is absolutely nothing to take lightly.
I read once that John Milius actually couldn't find a Model 29 in .44 Mag for Eastwood to use in the movie, because at the time they were out of production. In some scenes the revolver being used is actually a .41 Magnum! Milius is known for knowing his guns, and some interesting ones show up in his films. In Dirty Harry for example, if you look closely the Scorpio killer's sniper rifle is a Type 2 Arisaka paratrooper's takedown model, a VERY rare piece in it's own right. The one in the movie has been sporterized, but you can tell what it was from the takedown mechanism.
Post by: captain spaulding on November 08, 2014, 08:37:07 PM
Post by: Chako on November 08, 2014, 09:28:06 PM
Post by: MadPlumbarian on November 08, 2014, 10:37:53 PM
Here's a pic of the first rifle I ever fired, the Lee Enfield no.8 .22lrDang an Anschutz. I haven't heard that name in a long time. I was on the rifle team back in high school between 95-97, an Anschutz was the first rifle I ever fired. Ended up getting my own rifle but don't remember what manufacture, but after that it went from .22lr-9mm-3030. JR
Here's the first rifle I bought (1978) Anschutz 54 .22lr
(http://i57.tinypic.com/30xepfa.jpg)
Post by: zoidberg on November 08, 2014, 11:05:06 PM
No worries. The previous owner bought it twice, forgetting that he had it before, and after the first shot, it all came back to him, and he re-sold it back to the shop.
That is pretty darn funny. :D
Post by: Chako on November 08, 2014, 11:53:32 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 13, 2014, 06:12:40 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwerer_Gustav
Post by: Lynn LeFey on November 13, 2014, 06:43:27 AM
I also shot the new (ish) Glock 42. I have not much liked the previous Glocks I've shot. I'm not sure if it's the grip thickness (front to back) or grip angle, but they've all felt awkward in my hands. The Glock 42 was NICE, and was an incredibly smooth shooter compared to the jumpy little LCP.
I'm just kind of shocked at the notion of a pistol that weighs the same as a large multitool. Wow.
I also saw a Chiappa .22 revolver that's a reproduction of the 1873 Peacemaker. Slower than death to load and unload spent casings, but it looks like it'd be a complete joy to shoot at the range. Fun little plinker. I guess watching all those westerns as a kid skewed my brain. :D
EDIT: also, the man they call Jayne's pistol was based on the previously mentioned LeMat. That is one cool pistol. :tu:
Post by: captain spaulding on November 13, 2014, 07:00:46 AM
Post by: Chako on November 13, 2014, 11:42:27 AM
Post by: JBW1 on November 13, 2014, 01:47:16 PM
I would say the new GLOCK 42 is a excellent option for CCW. :tu:What do you think of an H&K USP for conceal carry, if he's willing to go full frame instead of a Glock, or even an M&P or Springfield XP
Post by: ducttapetech on November 13, 2014, 02:06:07 PM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on November 13, 2014, 05:06:58 PM
As for 'almost no stopping power'...
Check this article out.
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power
I found this article VERY interesting.
Post by: ducttapetech on November 13, 2014, 05:28:58 PM
Yeah, I have read it before and I am going by experience. Not saying you should pack a 1911 Colt, but there are better rounds with more power, better stopping power and they won't break your wrist when shooting them.
As cheap goes, your are right, depends where you are and the make. I also forgot about the way the price of ammo has gotten all crazy. Even .22s are crazy now.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on November 13, 2014, 05:55:34 PM
If it makes you feel any better, what I have right now is the LC9, and it's hard to justify dropping several hundred dollars to shave 9oz off my carry weight. In addition, as I said earlier, 9mm rounds are cheaper, the sights on the LC9 are better than virtually any .380 (presumably meaning better shot placement).
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 13, 2014, 11:34:25 PM
I would say the new GLOCK 42 is a excellent option for CCW. :tu:What do you think of an H&K USP for conceal carry, if he's willing to go full frame instead of a Glock, or even an M&P or Springfield XP
I own an HK USP. Great pistol, accurate and reliable. A little bulky for concealed carry, but light weight. Had an HK USP Compact for a while. Not as accurate, and rather sharp muzzle flip.
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 13, 2014, 11:41:02 PM
We finished CCW licensing, and are now just waiting for the paperwork to process, so I've been looking at concealed carry pistols. I have an LC9 but am seriously considering a smaller (and lighter) .380. I shot a Ruger LCP with an extended mag tonight, and with that extended mag, it has a much more secure grip. I think I could go for one.
I also shot the new (ish) Glock 42. I have not much liked the previous Glocks I've shot. I'm not sure if it's the grip thickness (front to back) or grip angle, but they've all felt awkward in my hands. The Glock 42 was NICE, and was an incredibly smooth shooter compared to the jumpy little LCP.
I'm just kind of shocked at the notion of a pistol that weighs the same as a large multitool. Wow.
I also saw a Chiappa .22 revolver that's a reproduction of the 1873 Peacemaker. Slower than death to load and unload spent casings, but it looks like it'd be a complete joy to shoot at the range. Fun little plinker. I guess watching all those westerns as a kid skewed my brain. :D
EDIT: also, the man they call Jayne's pistol was based on the previously mentioned LeMat. That is one cool pistol. :tu:
Don't have any experience with the Chiappa revolver, but was looking at their M-9 .22 auto. The general opinion seems to be its unreliable and difficult to field strip for cleaning. If you're looking for a Peacemaker-style .22, you might check out Ruger.
Post by: Smashie on November 14, 2014, 12:27:45 AM
The .380 is ok, hell the American Arms .22LR are good as a belly gun, but only if you have to get that close!
Normally the sight of hand gun is enough to put mots people off! Slap a laser on it and the red dot is an excellent deterrent as well.
Ok to the point, for CC I would go either Glock or Sig, Glock because they are stupid reliable and Sig because I have the most experience them after the Browning Hi-Power.
Having said that, most people will give up with the red dot is on center mass and they will not know if it is a .380 9mm .40 or .45
sorry a quick edit, the advantage of the 9mm and larger caliber baby Glocks and Sigs is they will accept the higher capacity magazines from their full framed big brothers. So the gun you wear will be reasonably light, but you can carry a couple of higher capacity magazines in the back pack, handbag or whatever.
Post by: captain spaulding on November 14, 2014, 01:06:38 AM
I'm in a slightly unusual position where as a Brit I have been able to concealed carry (when I am not in the UK).
The .380 is ok, hell the American Arms .22LR are good as a belly gun, but only if you have to get that close!
Normally the sight of hand gun is enough to put mots people off! Slap a laser on it and the red dot is an excellent deterrent as well.
Ok to the point, for CC I would go either Glock or Sig, Glock because they are stupid reliable and Sig because I have the most experience them after the Browning Hi-Power.
Having said that, most people will give up with the red dot is on center mass and they will not know if it is a .380 9mm .40 or .45
sorry a quick edit, the advantage of the 9mm and larger caliber baby Glocks and Sigs is they will accept the higher capacity magazines from their full framed big brothers. So the gun you wear will be reasonably light, but you can carry a couple of higher capacity magazines in the back pack, handbag or whatever.
I just have to say. In the USA if you conceal carry you are not allowed to ever pull a firearm for intimidation factor. If you pull it you better be fully intent to shoot and kill.
Post by: Smashie on November 14, 2014, 01:17:28 AM
I'm in a slightly unusual position where as a Brit I have been able to concealed carry (when I am not in the UK).
The .380 is ok, hell the American Arms .22LR are good as a belly gun, but only if you have to get that close!
Normally the sight of hand gun is enough to put mots people off! Slap a laser on it and the red dot is an excellent deterrent as well.
Ok to the point, for CC I would go either Glock or Sig, Glock because they are stupid reliable and Sig because I have the most experience them after the Browning Hi-Power.
Having said that, most people will give up with the red dot is on center mass and they will not know if it is a .380 9mm .40 or .45
sorry a quick edit, the advantage of the 9mm and larger caliber baby Glocks and Sigs is they will accept the higher capacity magazines from their full framed big brothers. So the gun you wear will be reasonably light, but you can carry a couple of higher capacity magazines in the back pack, handbag or whatever.
I just have to say. In the USA if you conceal carry you are not allowed to ever pull a firearm for intimidation factor. If you pull it you better be fully intent to shoot and kill.
Quite right, but I have carried for work, not as a private citizen. I will also say that avoiding the situation is always preferable. Where legal I would also carry pepper foam (the spray will get you as well), an ASP or a small taser as well. I'd much rather not have to deal with the 'dibbles' :salute:
Post by: captain spaulding on November 14, 2014, 02:15:42 AM
I'm in a slightly unusual position where as a Brit I have been able to concealed carry (when I am not in the UK).
The .380 is ok, hell the American Arms .22LR are good as a belly gun, but only if you have to get that close!
Normally the sight of hand gun is enough to put mots people off! Slap a laser on it and the red dot is an excellent deterrent as well.
Ok to the point, for CC I would go either Glock or Sig, Glock because they are stupid reliable and Sig because I have the most experience them after the Browning Hi-Power.
Having said that, most people will give up with the red dot is on center mass and they will not know if it is a .380 9mm .40 or .45
sorry a quick edit, the advantage of the 9mm and larger caliber baby Glocks and Sigs is they will accept the higher capacity magazines from their full framed big brothers. So the gun you wear will be reasonably light, but you can carry a couple of higher capacity magazines in the back pack, handbag or whatever.
I just have to say. In the USA if you conceal carry you are not allowed to ever pull a firearm for intimidation factor. If you pull it you better be fully intent to shoot and kill.
Quite right, but I have carried for work, not as a private citizen. I will also say that avoiding the situation is always preferable. Where legal I would also carry pepper foam (the spray will get you as well), an ASP or a small taser as well. I'd much rather not have to deal with the 'dibbles' :salute:
Definitely. :tu:
Post by: Chako on November 18, 2014, 01:32:42 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 19, 2014, 02:56:22 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Infantry-Weapons-Combat-Personal-Experiences/dp/1888722150/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1416362434&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=u+s+infantry+weapons+in+world+war+II+and+korea
Post by: Lynn LeFey on November 19, 2014, 03:10:36 AM
Last night was the first day of the PAL Firearms safety course. It did run from 6:30 to 10. Got another night tonight, and then Thursday night. Once I get this done, I will try to get my restricted, which should be held in December sometime. Once I have that, then I have to write for an application to the RCMP/government to get my PAL. I was told last night that can take up to 3 months (instructor laughed) to a year or so. Looks like my dream of joining a gun club and shooting might be put on hold for quite some time.
Can you go to a gun range in Canada and rent firearms before you get the PAL?
Post by: Chako on November 19, 2014, 04:47:31 AM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on November 20, 2014, 01:01:46 AM
Post by: Medic82 on November 20, 2014, 02:20:14 AM
My buddy Anders shootin a Ruger Super Redhawk with a 2,5" barrel
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-523owNVk130/ULEzdtaM8KI/AAAAAAAAGCo/sq-O4H8hcQs/w1333-h889-no/Skyting%2Bi%2Bm%C3%B8rket-35.jpg)
Me with a .44 Mag Desert Eagle
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CkMcEV3Z7Ss/ULEzbVlqv1I/AAAAAAAAGCY/KoUx0Qtc82U/w1333-h889-no/Skyting%2Bi%2Bm%C3%B8rket-33.jpg)
My buddy Anders with his S&W .460 and Hornady ammo
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-L8s0lw_KJoE/VG0--95cazI/AAAAAAAAJpc/jrWjipDzUic/w1334-h889-no/Hornady%2B460.CR2)
And if any of you guys from UK are in Oslo give me a call and I will take you shooting.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on November 20, 2014, 02:55:09 AM
It's like he's firing a tornado of fire out of that thing.
I want a fire tornado shooter. :dd:
:rofl:
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 20, 2014, 06:01:49 AM
Neat shot! :tu:
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 20, 2014, 06:12:45 AM
Post by: kirk13 on November 20, 2014, 09:38:23 AM
Of course posts like this showe up when I am gone ;) Don't have any pics of my guns but I do have some of when me and my buddy are shooting that is pretty cool, I have posted them on the forum some time ago but can share it with you again :PI'd gladly take you up on that :salute:
My buddy Anders shootin a Ruger Super Redhawk with a 2,5" barrel
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-523owNVk130/ULEzdtaM8KI/AAAAAAAAGCo/sq-O4H8hcQs/w1333-h889-no/Skyting%2Bi%2Bm%C3%B8rket-35.jpg)
Me with a .44 Mag Desert Eagle
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CkMcEV3Z7Ss/ULEzbVlqv1I/AAAAAAAAGCY/KoUx0Qtc82U/w1333-h889-no/Skyting%2Bi%2Bm%C3%B8rket-33.jpg)
My buddy Anders with his S&W .460 and Hornady ammo
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-L8s0lw_KJoE/VG0--95cazI/AAAAAAAAJpc/jrWjipDzUic/w1334-h889-no/Hornady%2B460.CR2)
And if any of you guys from UK are in Oslo give me a call and I will take you shooting.
Post by: ducttapetech on November 20, 2014, 10:25:08 AM
Post by: Chako on November 21, 2014, 04:46:02 AM
I am also told they should be offering the restricted course next month. If I take that, which I will, I should wait on mailing my portion of the first course to the Government...and mail both at the same time. I can save on the fees if I do that.
So looks like I might be getting into firearms next year. :tu:
Post by: Lynn LeFey on November 21, 2014, 04:53:11 AM
I have to give the mandatory 'just be safe' speech.
You have any thoughts on firearms you're interested in? You plan to hunt? Or just target shooting or some other thing?
Post by: captain spaulding on November 21, 2014, 05:18:16 AM
Post by: Chako on November 21, 2014, 05:24:51 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on November 21, 2014, 05:30:24 AM
Post by: Megan on November 21, 2014, 05:37:57 AM
There are regulations on them here but they are slack.
We are deeply regulated in the way we can own and use hand guns here in Canada.
You may only bring it from home to the range and back. Can't use it in the woods to target shoot for any reason. After shooting that 9mm I think I'd love one for Hand Gun Night at my range. We will see.
Post by: captain spaulding on November 21, 2014, 05:46:40 AM
Can you keep firearms in your home "ready" for home protection?
Post by: jerseydevil on November 21, 2014, 05:52:15 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on November 21, 2014, 06:05:10 AM
Pellet guns are regulated in NJ as well. >:( A pellet rifle requires a firearms ID card, and a pellet pistol requires a separate purchase permit. :facepalm: In other words, requirements here are the same if it's a 1911A1 or a Crossman CO2 revolver.
That's complete Bullsmurf in my opinion.
Post by: kirk13 on November 21, 2014, 10:22:37 AM
Pellet guns are regulated in NJ as well. >:( A pellet rifle requires a firearms ID card, and a pellet pistol requires a separate purchase permit. :facepalm: In other words, requirements here are the same if it's a 1911A1 or a Crossman CO2 revolver.
That's complete Bullsmurf in my opinion.
It's nice to hear there's more relaxed fireaeprms laws here in Britain :rofl:
Post by: Megan on November 21, 2014, 12:13:16 PM
And you can take most pellet guns out to the woods (within reason) and target practice.
You absolutely cannot have a firearm ready to go at home for protection. Your firearm must be locked up- kept separately from locked ammo.
Post by: dks on November 21, 2014, 12:22:17 PM
You can not go hunting with an air-rifle/pistol so that limits their use.
It has only been legal to own an airpistol for 1 year now.
Post by: Chako on November 21, 2014, 12:23:23 PM
Yes, pellet guns are only regulated in feet per second in Canada. Anything higher than 500 f/second requires a PAL. Most manufacturers will state their max speed is 495 f/second...which means they are unrestricted. Of course, that doesn't count any local bylaws that may prevent you from taking it out to the bush...at least within city limits.
Post by: Chako on November 21, 2014, 12:53:09 PM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6823small_zpsad28f608.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6823small_zpsad28f608.jpg.html)
The top is a Umarex Steel Force and the bottom is a Umarex Steel Storm. Both have added red dot sights. The Steel Storm also has a green dot laser attached.
Both shoot to a max velocity of 430 f/second, and both will shoot a burst of 6 BBs downrange with a single pull of the trigger. Now that is great fun! Expensive on the CO2 cartridges however.
Thankfully archery is relatively unrestricted...and so are crossbows.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6824small_zps983249af.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6824small_zps983249af.jpg.html)
:tu:
Post by: Chako on November 22, 2014, 11:02:30 PM
Post by: Chako on November 30, 2014, 04:31:37 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 30, 2014, 05:30:42 AM
Post by: zoidberg on November 30, 2014, 07:05:31 AM
Post by: dks on November 30, 2014, 07:15:54 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on November 30, 2014, 08:49:42 AM
Post by: Chako on November 30, 2014, 02:05:41 PM
I asked the instructor what he thought about 9 mm, and he stated there are only 5 plants making the ammunition in the States, with 3 full factories working stickily on US Government contracts...so apparently 9 mm ammo is in short supply as well.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on November 30, 2014, 05:40:52 PM
We have had all kinds of problems finding .22lr, and it's been that way for a couple years. We currently have about 1500 rounds, and I'm pretty sure that will be enough to get us through the craziness, regardless of how long it lasts. We might go through 100 to 150 rounds per session of shooting, if we only take our own guns (instead of renting them). We use less if we rent, because we tend to rent 9mm pistols.
We had problems getting .380 ammo at a rental range about a month ago.
We have had problems in the past getting 9mm, but not for a long time. So... :shrug:
Post by: Chako on November 30, 2014, 07:03:24 PM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on November 30, 2014, 07:42:46 PM
I visited the local Canadian Tire store, and it looks like I can buy a box of 50 .22 LR for 2.99, or a box of 500 for 32 Canadian. Doesn't seem that bad actually. Lots of 9mm boxes as well...but those are a lot more expensive. 50 rounds for 30 bucks.
Wait a minute...
50 for $2.99 is .0598 per round
500 for $32 is .064 per round.
:think:
Makes no sense.
But anyway, yeah, that difference between price of not just the firearm itself, but the ammo, really makes the .22 the best option out there.
Post by: Chako on November 30, 2014, 07:46:48 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 01, 2014, 03:06:21 AM
Post by: JBW1 on December 01, 2014, 03:13:39 AM
I visited the local Canadian Tire store, and it looks like I can buy a box of 50 .22 LR for 2.99, or a box of 500 for 32 Canadian. Doesn't seem that bad actually. Lots of 9mm boxes as well...but those are a lot more expensive. 50 rounds for 30 bucks.That's freakn awesome! Boxes of ammo at tire shops! So they'd better honor that road hazard warranty haha
Post by: Chako on December 01, 2014, 10:36:38 PM
Post by: Chako on December 02, 2014, 02:30:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSS_wS2i1JM
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 02, 2014, 02:54:21 AM
http://www.impactguns.com/issc-austrian-m22-glock-type-pistol-22-lr-4in-2-10rd-mags-black-m111000-798304034103.aspx
I've never seen one, so can't personally comment on it. I do try and stay with long-established brands. Have enough problems with those.
Post by: jerseydevil on December 02, 2014, 03:00:09 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on December 02, 2014, 03:12:57 AM
I am not a huge fan of semi auto pistols in .22lr for the simple fact that most mass produced .22lr ammo will have reliability issues compared to say a centerfire round which will cause all sorts of failure to fires and ejection issues. These sort of things can potentially be dangerous, but it is good to experience them so you know what to look for and proper handling when these situations happen. All I can say about that is if you are ever shooting and you pull the trigger and something does not feel right like a light blowback on the slide or a quiet load, do not keep shooting and check the firearm before proceeding. This includes squib loads. If you do not know about Squibs here is a link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squib_load
Anyways I prefer revolvers for .22lr, but if you are set on a semi auto for .22lr than do not let me persuade you in any way. It is just a preference of mine. I think choosing the .22lr for the first firearm is a excellent decision. I do like the gun and think it would make a good first pistol to practice with. I am not sure how the process of selling firearm in Canada goes, but if it is not much of a hassle you could always sell it off if you do not like it.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 02, 2014, 03:17:05 AM
One thing about .22 semiautos Dan - they are all picky about the ammo they'll function with, some much more so than others.
This is only mostly true. Our Ruger SR22 has eaten anything we've shot in it, and we've shot some cheap crappy stuff.
Post by: jerseydevil on December 02, 2014, 03:19:24 AM
One thing about .22 semiautos Dan - they are all picky about the ammo they'll function with, some much more so than others.
This is only mostly true. Our Ruger SR22 has eaten anything we've shot in it, and we've shot some cheap crappy stuff.
Let me rephrase that then. All .22 semiautos that I have shot have been picky about the ammo they will function with.
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 02, 2014, 03:38:49 AM
A proven, solid pistol; and one with good resale value if you decide you don't like it.
Post by: Chako on December 02, 2014, 04:00:36 AM
Thanks for the info. I just might focus on revolvers...even though I do like the look and action of these semi-autos.
Post by: captain spaulding on December 02, 2014, 05:02:32 AM
If I was to recommend a .22 auto pistol it would probably be a Ruger Mk III (top) or 22/45 (bottom); probably with a 4" or 5" bull barrel, and definitely with adjustable sights. (May end up talking myself into getting another. :D )
A proven, solid pistol; and one with good resale value if you decide you don't like it.
:tu:
22/45's rock!
Disassemble and reassemble can be a pain, but once you get the hang of it it's not bad.
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 02, 2014, 05:38:23 AM
I wish I could just go and buy something...but I have a long wait before I can even do anything about it. Plenty of time to do my research.
Thanks for the info. I just might focus on revolvers...even though I do like the look and action of these semi-autos.
In .22 a good revolver is often the way to go. 100% reliability and easy cleaning. I have a S&W M-617 with a 6" barrel (below). Superbly accurate. It is pricier than the pistols we've been discussing. A somewhat smaller S&W is the M-63 Kit Gun. Ruger also makes double-action and single-action revolvers that are excellent.
Post by: ducttapetech on December 02, 2014, 12:40:42 PM
Nuff said.
JD, you are right. Most semi .22s are problematic with certain kinds of ammo. There are a few that seem to don't care.
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 04, 2014, 11:08:18 PM
A pretty good day. :D
Post by: captain spaulding on December 04, 2014, 11:31:09 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 05, 2014, 02:43:56 AM
Nice shootin tex. :tu:
That's 'Colorado'!
Texan is a dirty name here! :pok: :D
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 05, 2014, 02:54:25 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 05, 2014, 03:05:37 AM
Nice group. How is holding that hunk of metal up for 50 rounds? You get any shake by the end?
Actually I did thirty rounds to start with that was almost as good (put it to one side in case things went down-hill from there. :D ). Then the 50 'for record' (above). Then about 60 rounds double action-only, fairly fast, that covered about a 6"-7" circle. Then 12 rounds off-hand; not bad but a couple of fliers. Had some shakes there at the end, but the real problem was my hand cramped up about an hour later.
With two-hand Weaver stance weight isn't a problem; instead it helps to dampen movement. Toward the end there was a sort of 'zen' concentration on the hole in the center of the target.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 05, 2014, 08:00:26 AM
One thing about .22 semiautos Dan - they are all picky about the ammo they'll function with, some much more so than others.
This is only mostly true. Our Ruger SR22 has eaten anything we've shot in it, and we've shot some cheap crappy stuff.
Let me rephrase that then. All .22 semiautos that I have shot have been picky about the ammo they will function with.
Don't worry on the internet everyone has pistols and rifles that never jam and have 1/2 MOA accuracy. That being said my Ruger Mark II shoots everything I can find and is stupid accurate. :whistle:
Will post some pics tonite if the internet works.
I am a sad panda that I just found this thread, so many thing I would have liked to reply to.
50 rounds of .22LR at 25 feet through a S&W M 617; Weaver stance.
If you ever decide to sell this pistol I call dibs. Want one in a bad way, such a great pistol.
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 05, 2014, 09:03:09 AM
You might also check out the Military Yearbook, Largest Non-nuke Explosions, and Natural Ability over Technology threads here.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 05, 2014, 10:00:41 AM
Not for sale! :D
So you are thinking about selling it then?
Just let me know.
Post by: Chako on December 05, 2014, 11:49:15 AM
Still waiting for my paperwork to get home. I must be patient. :D
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 05, 2014, 12:05:23 PM
Hmmm...local gun shop both have a new Ruger Mark III and IIII. The Mark 4 retails for 435, the Mark III for 50 bucks more.
Still waiting for my paperwork to get home. I must be patient. :D
No used Mark II's? My fave model.
Post by: Chako on December 05, 2014, 01:47:38 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 05, 2014, 09:20:12 PM
Nothing that I saw. They did have a pair of old High Standards, a Duramatic and a Sport King. Both going for 299, and a pair of Colt Woodsman...going for 399. The High Standards and the Colts look a bit rough to my untrained eyes. From what I see, used guns are almost as expensive as new at the local gun shop. :think:
Woodsman was a piece I never managed to reassemble without resorting to profanity.
Had a couple of High Standards. Generally liked them until the hammers started following down to half-cock. Suspect previous owners had been messing around with the sears.
Like I said, a 40 year love-hate relationship with .22 autos, which is why I now have a revolver. :D
Post by: jerseydevil on December 05, 2014, 10:47:48 PM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/5/us-army-seeking-new-sidearm-to-replace-beretta/
30 years is a pretty good run for a service piece I suppose, though the M1911A1 is still in service........ The really big question besides what pistol will be what caliber? Does the US military stick with the 9x19, or go back to the .45 ACP? A number of pistols used by Special Forces are in .45.
Post by: Mr. Whippy on December 05, 2014, 10:51:28 PM
I like my M&P, but somehow, I would have thought this would be wide open at this point.
Post by: jerseydevil on December 05, 2014, 11:00:15 PM
It's weird. The story implied that S&W was a clear frontrunner with a plastic M&P. ???
I like my M&P, but somehow, I would have thought this would be wide open at this point.
Chances are the reporter who wrote the article was vaguely familiar with the name Smith & Wesson, so concentrated on that. I've read that in 1985, the Beretta wasn't really the winner of the trials. The SIG Sauer P226 actually won, but was rejected on cost grounds. Even then, the SIG has been adopted by SEALs, the USCG, and several other units.
The 1907 trials that resulted in the adoption of the M1911 make for some very interesting reading. That competition came down to the Colt and a Savage design. Interestingly, the Luger performed very well, and the US Army wanted to purchase 200 of them in .45 for troop trials against the Colt. DWM declined to set up machinery for such a small run, probably knowing that the 9mm P08 was going to be adopted by the German military.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 05, 2014, 11:04:55 PM
I got so sick of following the rumors that I'm ignoring it all until something concrete comes out.
I LIKE the S&W M&P Poly pistols, and would love to see it adopted. It SEEMS like the 40 cal and 10mm have both passed their 'new hotness' phase and are on the decline. It's been pretty well proven that they don't really offer anything over 9mm. My guess, if I HAD to make one is that the next pistol will be 9mm, but that a .45 will be kept for 'elite' groups. But I really don't know.
I find shooting a 1911 to be physically punishing, and get no pleasure from them whatsoever. So, obviously, I'd prefer to see a 9mm make the cut. Everyone I know who likes 1911s are either BIG dudes, or dudes who like BIG bangs from their guns. I'm sure there are folks that aren't like that, but not among my shooting friends.
Post by: ducttapetech on December 05, 2014, 11:11:40 PM
;D
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 06, 2014, 12:29:24 AM
LOVE me some .357 in a big, heavy revolver.
Better? :D
Post by: jerseydevil on December 06, 2014, 12:55:30 AM
Do I get any redemption if I say I like .357?
LOVE me some .357 in a big, heavy revolver.
Better? :D
It helps somewhat. I prefer the K-frame, medium frame S&W personally. I've got a Model 19 Combat Magnum. It can be a bit of a handful with full-power loads though.
As to the .45 - The M1911 was designed for a reason that can be put very simply, but which is not exactly politically correct and I won't post it here. ;) In the Philippines, the .38 Long Colt revolvers used by the US military weren't stopping their targets. One Filipino prisoner was shot SIX TIMES at point blank range while trying to escape and was still fighting when someone clubbed him over the head with a Krag. The prisoner walked out of the hospital a week later. As a stopgap before the new pistol was adopted, the US used the Colt M1909 New Service revolver, which was chambered in what was basically a magnum loading of the old .45 Long Colt cartridge. Plenty of Colt Single Action Armys saw service in the Philippines as well. The M1909 is the most powerful sidearm ever to be adopted as standard issue by any army in history. The rim of the new loading was larger than the old army loadings for the SAA, so it couldn't fit in the older revolvers and blow them up. When the new pistol was going to be adopted, there wasn't a thought of a cartridge smaller than a .45. The US and the British saw pistols as legitimate combat weapons, and they used them heavily in colonial wars. The .455 Webley is a result of this as well.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 06, 2014, 03:21:44 AM
Every couple of years there is a atricle about the coming change away from the M9 but it never actually happens.
If it does at some point I can almost bet it will be 9mm.
Had a Model 19 Smith about ten or so years ago that was stolen from my apartment. Sigh, I loved that pistol.
Post by: ducttapetech on December 06, 2014, 04:10:10 AM
Do I get any redemption if I say I like .357?Ok. Ducttapetech will love Lynn some because she likes big beefy .357 revolver.
LOVE me some .357 in a big, heavy revolver.
Better? :D
;D
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 06, 2014, 04:12:17 AM
Do I get any redemption if I say I like .357?Ok. Ducttapetech will love Lynn some because she likes big beefy .357 revolver.
LOVE me some .357 in a big, heavy revolver.
Better? :D
;D
Harley wonders about the Sidekick situation though?
Post by: jerseydevil on December 07, 2014, 02:22:10 AM
I am with Lynn on this one.
Every couple of years there is a atricle about the coming change away from the M9 but it never actually happens.
If it does at some point I can almost bet it will be 9mm.
Had a Model 19 Smith about ten or so years ago that was stolen from my apartment. Sigh, I loved that pistol.
:( Sorry to hear about your Model 19. I agree that if a new pistol is adopted, it will be in 9mm Parabellum. Special forces will continue to use the .45 I'm sure though. And you're right, pretty much from the get-go in 1985 there has been a call to replace the M9. Even if a new pistol is selected soon, you won't see it issued for several years anyway. For example, the competition that the M1911 won was actually held in 1907. The Beretta wasn't in widespread use with US forces until 1990-91 or so.
Post by: captain spaulding on December 07, 2014, 02:24:53 AM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 07, 2014, 02:30:21 AM
They just need to pick the G19 and be done with it already. :D
I consider the Springfields and S&W M&Ps both better than Glocks.
However, I don't think the Glock is a terrible choice. There are now U.S. made Glocks, which while it doesn't make any difference in performance, it means work for U.S. workers to fill those contracts.
Oh... hey... look what I found...
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-12-04/will-the-military-pistol-contract-return-to-american-hands
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 07, 2014, 02:42:22 AM
I consider the Springfields and S&W M&Ps both better than Glocks.
Yeah, while I respect your opinion and your given right to have one.
How do I say this?
Poppycock!
Carried a S&W M&P for almost three years when I was a Police Officer and while it is a fine weapon it is not as good as a Glock.
Springfield Armory makes good weapons but which Springfield pistol do you say is better then Glocks? Maybe one of there high end 1911's? I stipulate that if you pay a couple grand then yes they are very nice.
Anyhow I am off to drink my Glock kool aid have a nice day.
Post by: jerseydevil on December 07, 2014, 02:43:14 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 07, 2014, 02:46:02 AM
I am with Lynn on this one.
Every couple of years there is a atricle about the coming change away from the M9 but it never actually happens.
If it does at some point I can almost bet it will be 9mm.
Had a Model 19 Smith about ten or so years ago that was stolen from my apartment. Sigh, I loved that pistol.
:( Sorry to hear about your Model 19. I agree that if a new pistol is adopted, it will be in 9mm Parabellum. Special forces will continue to use the .45 I'm sure though. And you're right, pretty much from the get-go in 1985 there has been a call to replace the M9. Even if a new pistol is selected soon, you won't see it issued for several years anyway. For example, the competition that the M1911 won was actually held in 1907. The Beretta wasn't in widespread use with US forces until 1990-91 or so.
Funny story.
Since getting to Afghanistan in June I have not seen one SF type person with any sidearm other then a M-9.
No idea why that is but there you go. Small sample that may mean nothing but strange none the less.
Post by: jerseydevil on December 07, 2014, 02:54:26 AM
I am with Lynn on this one.
Every couple of years there is a atricle about the coming change away from the M9 but it never actually happens.
If it does at some point I can almost bet it will be 9mm.
Had a Model 19 Smith about ten or so years ago that was stolen from my apartment. Sigh, I loved that pistol.
:( Sorry to hear about your Model 19. I agree that if a new pistol is adopted, it will be in 9mm Parabellum. Special forces will continue to use the .45 I'm sure though. And you're right, pretty much from the get-go in 1985 there has been a call to replace the M9. Even if a new pistol is selected soon, you won't see it issued for several years anyway. For example, the competition that the M1911 won was actually held in 1907. The Beretta wasn't in widespread use with US forces until 1990-91 or so.
Funny story.
Since getting to Afghanistan in June I have not seen one SF type person with any sidearm other then a M-9.
No idea why that is but there you go. Small sample that may mean nothing but strange none the less.
Huh, that is interesting. My stepbrother is a HM2 in the Navy, and has spent time on the ground attached to Marine units. Though he trained with the M9, he is now issued an M4 carbine, which the Marine Corps uses in place of a pistol for anyone with a rank of O-5 and below that is authorized a sidearm.
I made a mistake in an earlier post about the M1911. Although the initial trials were held in 1907, the actual troop trials between the Colt and the Savage 1907 were held in 1910 and resulted in John Browning's design being adopted. The Savage went on to be a very popular civilian pistol in smaller calibers such as .380 ACP.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 07, 2014, 03:22:29 AM
The M&P would be 10.
I have a REALLY hard time believing the military is going to switch back to .45.
And I, personally, would still prefer 17 rounds of 9mm over 10 or even 13 rounds of .45
I wrote out a long response to the 'poppycock' comment. I deleted it. I just don't feel like wading through that fight. Gun folks have opinions more entrenched than MT people. And that's saying something.
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 07, 2014, 03:36:02 AM
They just need to pick the G19 and be done with it already. :D
As a shooter who actively dislikes the Glock, forget that!
I'd choose the Beretta, several HKs, and several Sigs over it. Not that it really matters, pistol use in combat is pretty rare. The Marines' decision to issue M4 carbines to everyone makes a lot of sense. Same reason we issued M1 carbines instead of pistols to support troops in WWII; give them something they can hit with.
As a side note, the Savage pistol was adopted by the Portugese Army in .32 ACP, with the result that it is one of the most common pistols you're likely to encounter in southern Africa.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 07, 2014, 03:37:41 AM
Glock 21 (the full size .45) would give a 13 round capacity? (Lynn looks up capacity)
The M&P would be 10.
I have a REALLY hard time believing the military is going to switch back to .45.
And I, personally, would still prefer 17 rounds of 9mm over 10 or even 13 rounds of .45
I wrote out a long response to the 'poppycock' comment. I deleted it. I just don't feel like wading through that fight. Gun folks have opinions more entrenched than MT people. And that's saying something.
Yeah in the end all the firearms you brought up are more then capable. You have my permission to use any of them to defend the life of you and yours.
That said Glock is better. :pok:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 07, 2014, 03:43:57 AM
They just need to pick the G19 and be done with it already. :D
As a shooter who actively dislikes the Glock, forget that!
I'd choose the Beretta, several HKs, and several Sigs over it. Not that it really matters, pistol use in combat is pretty rare. The Marines' decision to issue M4 carbines to everyone makes a lot of sense. Same reason we issued M1 carbines instead of pistols to support troops in WWII; give them something they can hit with.
As a side note, the Savage pistol was adopted by the Portugese Army in .32 ACP, with the result that it is one of the most common pistols you're likely to encounter in southern Africa.
Work computer would not let me put two quotes in one reply.
"Actively dislikes the Glock" Yeah I feel you. I also dislike effective, easy to use, reliable and inexpensive things. I also hate when the company that makes these products has excellent customer service and supports the the use of there products in both law enforcement and shooting games.
Makes sense to me. :whistle:
"Not that it really matters, pistol use in combat is pretty rare." Agree with this. Well that part of it where use is rare. I would like to say that I think it does matter. While rare it does happen and why not have the most effective pistol and caliber? it is your life on the line.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 07, 2014, 03:46:38 AM
Yeah in the end all the firearms you brought up are more then capable.
That said Glock is better. :pok:
:rant:
:rofl:
Sigs are too expensive for my blood. I've shot a number of them and they're nice, but not worth the price, IMO. I mean, if I were rich... But I don't expect the military is going to adopt something that expensive. Also, I wasn't all that impressed with the p226. MASSIVE barrel flip for a pistol its size.
I'm not sure what the ammo stockpiles are like in the military, but that might also strongly influence staying with 9mm.
While carbines are great, and get you a lot more out of pistol caliber rounds, they're not all that handy for having on you in a lot of situations. Tank crew comes to mind. I think there's likely always going to be a role for pistols.
Now... see... you knuckleheads got me back on this stupid speculation. Grrrr.... :D
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 07, 2014, 03:48:21 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 07, 2014, 03:53:10 AM
Yeah in the end all the firearms you brought up are more then capable.
That said Glock is better. :pok:
:rant:
:rofl:
Sigs are too expensive for my blood. I've shot a number of them and they're nice, but not worth the price, IMO. I mean, if I were rich... But I don't expect the military is going to adopt something that expensive. Also, I wasn't all that impressed with the p226. MASSIVE barrel flip for a pistol its size.
I'm not sure what the ammo stockpiles are like in the military, but that might also strongly influence staying with 9mm.
While carbines are great, and get you a lot more out of pistol caliber rounds, they're not all that handy for having on you in a lot of situations. Tank crew comes to mind. I think there's likely always going to be a role for pistols.
Now... see... you knuckleheads got me back on this stupid speculation. Grrrr.... :D
Yes Sig while nice are to expensive like the Springfiled 1911's. :pok:
There will always be a place for pistols for sure. Crew served weapon operators, tank crew, pilots I could go on but yeah. Also a pistol or two per squad for a number of reasons.
Lynn have you even shot a Glock? What is it about the M&P's that you like better?
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 07, 2014, 03:54:36 AM
The Glock has a great reputation. However I grew up with 1911s and Browning HiPowers and it feels totally wrong in my hand. Also don't like the mushy trigger pull. Will stick with my HK USP and CZ 75 Shadow.
Well reasoned response. In your case I will allow you to use the most excellent CZ-75.
The Glock is better though. :pok:
Post by: jerseydevil on December 07, 2014, 04:12:11 AM
Same reason we issued M1 carbines instead of pistols to support troops in WWII; give them something they can hit with.
Problem is, a lot of front-line combat troops ended up carrying an M1 Carbine in action, and it's not exactly a manstopper. My grandfather once told me a story about Peleliu. He was near a fellow Marine armed with Carbine, while Grandpa carried a Garand. A Japanese soldier charged at the carbine-armed Marine, bayonet fixed to his Arisaka. The marine brought the carbine up and fired all 15 rounds in the magazine, but the enemy soldier kept coming. Grandpa fired one round from his Garand, and the Japanese went down. The other Marine looked at his carbine, threw it away, grabbed a Garand from a dead Marine, and kept going. Now, did any of those 15 rounds hit? Who knows. But the M1 Carbine round doesn't have a reputation for stopping power. Ignore claims that the bullet would bounce off frozen Chinese cold weather gear in Korea, that's BS. Still, ColoSwiss is correct - it's a hell of a lot easier to shoot a carbine and hit than it is with a pistol. Mortar crews, radiomen, etc - that's who the M1 Carbine was developed for.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 07, 2014, 04:24:25 AM
Lynn have you even shot a Glock? What is it about the M&P's that you like better?
Yes. I have put about 1000 rounds through glocks. Virtually all from the 9mms (Mostly the G19 and G26, some from the G17, and 50 rounds through the new G42, yes I know it's 380). This was interspersed with other 9mm pistols from most major makers, and virtually all within the last year to year and a half.
So, here's the problems with Glocks.
1) And the BIG one. grip angle. Natural point of aim is all wrong on them. ALL of them. Yes, that could be trained out. OR I can just use a pistol that didn't suck.
2) Grip size. It feels like holding a brick wrapped in a phone book. I have medium size hands, pretty much every other service pistol fits my hand fine, and many/most others allow adjustment via backstrap replacement. Not Glocks. This MIGHT be fixed on Gen 4, but only fore-aft, not side to side, which is part of the problem.
3) Barrel flip is somewhat more pronounced than in other similar sized pistols I've shot.
The not-terrible
1) Trigger. Meh. Not TERRIBLE, but only so-so. mid-bottom of the pack.
2) Sights. ACTUALLY, not too bad. High vis. Maybe not as precise as I like, but for a service pistol, fast acquisition seems better than insane precision.
The 'I'm not buying it' hype
1) Reliability. Sure, they they have Legen-wait for it---dery reliability. So? I'm not seeing anything in other pistols (M&P specifically) that looks any different. EVERYTHING these days from the big makers is pretty crazy-reliable.
So. If you take away Glock's reliability, there's nothing there that makes me think it's a good pick. When it came out in the 80s, it was a marvel. Now... now there are a number of 9mm service size pistols that all use essentially the same (glock did it first) design, but do it, IMO, better. ALL of them are just as easy to take apart, ALL of them are reliable. But some of them shoot a LOT better.
I can actually shoot my husband's M&P Shield better than a G26, for instance, and the Glock 26 has a half inch longer barrel and virtually the same sight radius. How much better? 1/2" to 1" smaller groups at 7 yards. Does that really MATTER? I dunno. It might.
Natural point of aim for the M&P means faster target acquisition. Sights on the M&P allow me slightly better target acquisition. Less muzzle flip allows faster time on follow-up. This was a BIG one. I've tried double-tap, and I SUCK at it with a glock (Like 8" to 10"), where I could get a 1" separation with a M&P Shield at 7 yards. Somewhat better trigger means less jerking, improving accuracy. I don't care if a pistol can go 30,000 rounds if I can't get a bullet on target. Reliability is kind of pointless if you're dead. And I'm not hearing anything about M&P that makes me think they're not reliable. So...
Now, here's the funny thing. I REALLY liked the G42. It shot incredibly well for me. I seem to be the only human on earth that liked it. Everyone else wanted a single stack 9mm.
I'm really not talking completely out my butt here. We've been doing a TON of shooting in the last two years. A lot of it was looking for CCW pistols, but some of it was just trying out everything out there.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 07, 2014, 04:34:28 AM
Lynn have you even shot a Glock? What is it about the M&P's that you like better?
Yes. I have put about 1000 rounds through glocks. Virtually all from the 9mms (Mostly the G19 and G26, some from the G17, and 50 rounds through the new G42, yes I know it's 380). This was interspersed with other 9mm pistols from most major makers, and virtually all within the last year to year and a half.
So, here's the problems with Glocks.
1) And the BIG one. grip angle. Natural point of aim is all wrong on them. ALL of them. Yes, that could be trained out. OR I can just use a pistol that didn't suck.
2) Grip size. It feels like holding a brick wrapped in a phone book. I have medium size hands, pretty much every other service pistol fits my hand fine, and many/most others allow adjustment via backstrap replacement. Not Glocks. This MIGHT be fixed on Gen 4, but only fore-aft, not side to side, which is part of the problem.
3) Barrel flip is somewhat more pronounced than in other similar sized pistols I've shot.
The not-terrible
1) Trigger. Meh. Not TERRIBLE, but only so-so. mid-bottom of the pack.
2) Sights. ACTUALLY, not too bad. High vis. Maybe not as precise as I like, but for a service pistol, fast acquisition seems better than insane precision.
The 'I'm not buying it' hype
1) Reliability. Sure, they they have Legen-wait for it---dery reliability. So? I'm not seeing anything in other pistols (M&P specifically) that looks any different. EVERYTHING these days from the big makers is pretty crazy-reliable.
So. If you take away Glock's reliability, there's nothing there that makes me think it's a good pick. When it came out in the 80s, it was a marvel. Now... now there are a number of 9mm service size pistols that all use essentially the same (glock did it first) design, but do it, IMO, better. ALL of them are just as easy to take apart, ALL of them are reliable. But some of them shoot a LOT better.
I can actually shoot my husband's M&P Shield better than a G26, for instance, and the Glock 26 has a half inch longer barrel and virtually the same sight radius. How much better? 1/2" to 1" smaller groups at 7 yards. Does that really MATTER? I dunno. It might.
Natural point of aim for the M&P means faster target acquisition. Sights on the M&P allow me slightly better target acquisition. Less muzzle flip allows faster time on follow-up. This was a BIG one. I've tried double-tap, and I SUCK at it with a glock (Like 8" to 10"), where I could get a 1" separation with a M&P Shield at 7 yards. Somewhat better trigger means less jerking, improving accuracy. I don't care if a pistol can go 30,000 rounds if I can't get a bullet on target. Reliability is kind of pointless if you're dead. And I'm not hearing anything about M&P that makes me think they're not reliable. So...
Now, here's the funny thing. I REALLY liked the G42. It shot incredibly well for me. I seem to be the only human on earth that liked it. Everyone else wanted a single stack 9mm.
I'm really not talking completely out my butt here. We've been doing a TON of shooting in the last two years. A lot of it was looking for CCW pistols, but some of it was just trying out everything out there.
Had a big response typed. I hate this computer.
Long story short.
I approve your use of the second best pistol since you bring up valid reasons.
Glock is better.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 07, 2014, 04:42:08 AM
Not sure I'll keep the Ruger. I got a good price on it, but Not sure it's thrilling me.
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 07, 2014, 04:44:57 AM
The Glock has a great reputation. However I grew up with 1911s and Browning HiPowers and it feels totally wrong in my hand. Also don't like the mushy trigger pull. Will stick with my HK USP and CZ 75 Shadow.
Well reasoned response. In your case I will allow you to use the most excellent CZ-75.
The Glock is better though. :pok:
Actually I'd prefer to carry the HK. Light weight, excellent grips that point right for me, smooth da pull, and extremely accurate. If you haven't shoot one, give it a try.
Will allow that there are times a pistol is needed in combat. The actual model doesn't matter, as long as its reliable. Most of the makes we've been discussing are.
JD - there's a long and continuing debate regarding the M-1 carbine and M-1 Garand, with both having their partisans and detractors. For me it would depend on the tactical situation.
If you haven't read it, check out " US Infantry Weapons in Combat", by Mark Goodwin.
http://www.amazon.com/Infantry-Weapons-Combat-Personal-Experiences/dp/1888722150/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417923764&sr=8-1&keywords=us+infantry+weapons+in+combat
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 07, 2014, 04:45:20 AM
Oh, no. The pistol I USE, the only 9mm I own, is a Ruger LC9. Got it for CCW. I rented all the Glocks and M&Ps. $1 rentals on Wednesdays at the range where I have membership.
Not sure I'll keep the Ruger. I got a good price on it, but Not sure it's thrilling me.
Right. Love me some Rugers, all mine are .22 though.
The SR 9 while a good pistol doesn't do it for me either.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 07, 2014, 04:47:42 AM
Actually I'd prefer to carry the HK. Light weight, excellent grips that point right for me, smooth da pull, and extremely accurate. If you haven't shoot one, give it a try.
P226 or P229?
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 07, 2014, 04:50:10 AM
We have an SR22, and LOVE it. It is a total blast to shoot.
The problem with the LC9 is that it has a REALLY LONG DA only trigger. It's smooth, but man... long.
Other than that, it's a nice small pistol. I got Pachmayr grip/wrap that help tame the sharp recoil. It's so light that it's really not fun after about the third magazine. The grip helps some.
Also considering a laser for it, for close range fire (particularly at night, when acquiring its anemic sites would be less than fun).
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 07, 2014, 04:54:07 AM
About Rugers:
We have an SR22, and LOVE it. It is a total blast to shoot.
The problem with the LC9 is that it has a REALLY LONG DA only trigger. It's smooth, but man... long.
Other than that, it's a nice small pistol. I got Pachmayr grip/wrap that help tame the sharp recoil. It's so light that it's really not fun after about the third magazine. The grip helps some.
Also considering a laser for it, for close range fire (particularly at night, when acquiring its anemic sites would be less than fun).
Mark II pistol and 10/22 rifle here. Love them.
Yikes, LC-9 is no fun to shoot for sure. Thought we was talking about the SR-9.
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 07, 2014, 04:56:35 AM
Actually I'd prefer to carry the HK. Light weight, excellent grips that point right for me, smooth da pull, and extremely accurate. If you haven't shoot one, give it a try.
P226 or P229?
Those are Sigs; owned the first and shot the second, but at the end of the day they never felt right in the hand.
I currently shoot an HK USP (same as the German Army). Owned a USP Compact, but didn't care for the sharp muzzle flip. Also not as accurate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_USP
Post by: jerseydevil on December 07, 2014, 04:57:07 AM
JD - there's a long and continuing debate regarding the M-1 carbine and M-1 Garand, with both having their partisans and detractors. For me it would depend on the tactical situation.
If you haven't read it, check out " US Infantry Weapons in Combat", by Mark Goodwin.
http://www.amazon.com/Infantry-Weapons-Combat-Personal-Experiences/dp/1888722150/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417923764&sr=8-1&keywords=us+infantry+weapons+in+combat
Thanks for the link, I actually haven't read that one yet! I'll be using an Amazon card from Christmas for it. :tu: As to the M1 vs. um, well, M1 ;) , I agree that they both have their pluses and minuses. In the end they were designed for different purposes, and the lines got muddled sometimes. There were carbine versions of the Garand BTW, though they were never officially issued. About 150 or so were put together and used in the Philippines, but they were field modifications, not an arsenal product. There is one surviving prototype at the Springfield Armory Museum. You do see shortened Garands at times, the so-called "Tanker" models, but these were all post-war civilian rebuilds. I'd think that an 18" barreled Garand would recoil almost as bad as a No. 5 Jungle Carbine! The muzzle flash would dazzle you a bit as well. My dad's No.5 kicks like a mule, despite the issue rubber buttpad. The flash hider is not all that useful either. That No. 5 is an original BTW, not a modern reproduction. Very cool rifle.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 07, 2014, 04:58:45 AM
Actually I'd prefer to carry the HK. Light weight, excellent grips that point right for me, smooth da pull, and extremely accurate. If you haven't shoot one, give it a try.
P226 or P229?
Those are Sigs; owned the first and shot the second, but at the end of the day they never felt right in the hand.
I currently shoot an HK USP (same as the German Army). Owned a USP Compact, but didn't care for the sharp muzzle flip. Also not as accurate.
Sigh it is early here.
Not a fan of the HK USP but it is a good weapon that does not feel right to me.
Post by: jerseydevil on December 07, 2014, 04:59:25 AM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 07, 2014, 05:00:12 AM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 07, 2014, 05:00:56 AM
To get into the pistol comments, there is one handgun that feels like it was built specifically for me, and that I could close my eyes, point at the target like pointing my finger, and hit the target. That handgun is the Colt 1851 Navy. :D
You were born 150 years too late, and missed your calling. :D
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 07, 2014, 05:01:48 AM
To get into the pistol comments, there is one handgun that feels like it was built specifically for me, and that I could close my eyes, point at the target like pointing my finger, and hit the target. That handgun is the Colt 1851 Navy. :D
What does one say to something like this?
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 07, 2014, 05:02:40 AM
To get into the pistol comments, there is one handgun that feels like it was built specifically for me, and that I could close my eyes, point at the target like pointing my finger, and hit the target. That handgun is the Colt 1851 Navy. :D
You and Wild Bill Hickok! :D
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 07, 2014, 05:03:42 AM
To get into the pistol comments, there is one handgun that feels like it was built specifically for me, and that I could close my eyes, point at the target like pointing my finger, and hit the target. That handgun is the Colt 1851 Navy. :D
What does one say to something like this?
"The Colt 1851 was obviously better than a Glock"?
:pok:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 07, 2014, 05:04:24 AM
I've got a friend that has the p226. Wow, that thing is jumpy. NOT a fan. Well made, but way too much muzzle flip.
It is more of a pistol for someone who has more experience with shooting I think. A lot of its weight is in the grip area.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 07, 2014, 05:04:54 AM
To get into the pistol comments, there is one handgun that feels like it was built specifically for me, and that I could close my eyes, point at the target like pointing my finger, and hit the target. That handgun is the Colt 1851 Navy. :D
What does one say to something like this?
"The Colt 1851 was obviously better than a Glock"?
:pok:
In 1851 it was. :twak:
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 07, 2014, 05:10:07 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 07, 2014, 05:46:56 AM
Worst is easy - someone brought a cheap (actually they all were) RG revolver into the range. 20 pound trigger pull. No one could hit the target at 50 feet, so we kept shortening the range. Finally managed to get a couple of keyholed bullet holes on the paper at around 10 feet. Apparently the rifling was for show, as it wasn't affecting the bullet.
Weirdest? Possibly a MAB PA-15. A large 15 shot 9mm that the French Army was thinking of adopting back in the 1960s. The gun was solidly made, and felt good in the hand. However it was a delayed blowback with a rotating barrel, and a very odd twisting recoil that was extremely unpleasant to shoot. Owned one briefly (very briefly) back in the 1970s. 'Hell is where they have British cooks, French engineers, German policemen...'
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 07, 2014, 05:55:45 AM
Weirdest for me :Blackpowder musket. I only shot it once. Click... wait, wait... BOOM! Then you wait 20 seconds for the big cloud of smoke to waft away. Weird.
Post by: captain spaulding on December 07, 2014, 07:41:09 AM
Weirdest: Probably the flaregun with .22 insert. You used to be able to buy both the flaregun and insert and have them shipped to your house. No background check or anything. Probably still can.
(http://www.expeditionexchange.com/johnlee/P2A1%20014.JPG)
(http://www.firearmstalk.com/images/3/9/0/8/3/flareguninsert-lg-715.jpg)
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 07, 2014, 07:45:25 AM
Worst: Highpoint .380. It had potential to actually be a good firearm, but the replacement recoil spring they sent is for the 9mm which they said was the norm for the replacement and it would short cycle and jam like crazy.
Weirdest: Probably the flaregun with .22 insert. You used to be able to buy both the flaregun and insert and have them shipped to your house. No background check or anything. Probably still can.
(http://www.expeditionexchange.com/johnlee/P2A1%20014.JPG)
(http://www.firearmstalk.com/images/3/9/0/8/3/flareguninsert-lg-715.jpg)
Why worry about the insert. Hit someone with a flare and they're toast (in more ways than one :D)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 07, 2014, 07:55:39 AM
Weird: Gold plated Uzi SMG. Found a whole room full gold plated weapons during Desert Storm. AK-47, Uzi, FN-Fal and a lot of pistols. Carried the Uzin in my ruck and shot it a lot until some officer caught me. That did not end very well.
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 07, 2014, 08:08:26 AM
Worst: M249 SAW from back in the late 80's. Jam prone does not begin to describe this POS. It just could not take the beating of being jumped out of aircraft with the 82nd Airborne Divison. I was later sent to Korea for a year with the 2nd ID and the SAW's there we're fine, not great but ok.
Weird: Gold plated Uzi SMG. Found a whole room full gold plated weapons during Desert Storm. AK-47, Uzi, FN-Fal and a lot of pistols. Carried the Uzin in my ruck and shot it a lot until some officer caught me. That did not end very well.
How are the SAWs now in Afghanistan? Heard some SEALs were burning out M4s when trying to use them as LMGs. Wondered why they weren't carrying SAWs.
Remember the Stoner Weapons System back in the 'Nam era? Saw some photos of SEALs with Stoners set up with the LMG feed belt and the SMG short barrel and folding stock.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 07, 2014, 08:18:26 AM
Worst: M249 SAW from back in the late 80's. Jam prone does not begin to describe this POS. It just could not take the beating of being jumped out of aircraft with the 82nd Airborne Divison. I was later sent to Korea for a year with the 2nd ID and the SAW's there we're fine, not great but ok.
Weird: Gold plated Uzi SMG. Found a whole room full gold plated weapons during Desert Storm. AK-47, Uzi, FN-Fal and a lot of pistols. Carried the Uzin in my ruck and shot it a lot until some officer caught me. That did not end very well.
How are the SAWs now in Afghanistan? Heard some SEALs were burning out M4s when trying to use them as LMGs. Wondered why they weren't carrying SAWs.
Remember the Stoner Weapons System back in the 'Nam era? Saw some photos of SEALs with Stoners set up with the LMG feed belt and the SMG short barrel and folding stock.
Can't say for sure why they do not carry the SAW as much but am willing to bet I know why. Try climbing a mountain with 100 pounds of armor ammo radio and rations on you. Now try it with 120 pounds of stuff. Just a weight issue I think.
The SAW that is issued now is a beast, no issues at all. Changed in almost every way then the one from years ago.
The SF types have the MK 48 and I have seen a few of them around. It is a 7.62 SAW in effect.
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 07, 2014, 08:32:26 AM
(wish they would bring out an updated 'Small Arms of the World')
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 07, 2014, 10:00:05 AM
Hadn't heard about the MK 48. Sounds like its closer to the M249 than to the M240.
(wish they would bring out an updated 'Small Arms of the World')
It is like a M249 twin, just bigger.
Thing is it only about three pounds less then the most excellent 240L so I see more of them around.
Post by: Mr. Whippy on December 08, 2014, 02:04:40 AM
A Winchester model 62 (22 rifle, pump action):
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z231/bluebadger88/misc/Worn%20EDC/gub/20141207_190606_zpsdexfzeqv.jpg)
And a Ruger Mark I with right hand grip:
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z231/bluebadger88/misc/Worn%20EDC/gub/20141207_191112_zpsvjuefd6i.jpg)
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 08, 2014, 02:55:38 AM
A friend of mine said he just got a Yellow Boy lever action rifle in .357 that I'm dying to try out. I LOVE the look of those guns.
Post by: Chako on December 08, 2014, 02:58:40 AM
So far, I have learned how to field strip and assemble an AK 47 in just under 6 minutes. My time keeps improving the more I do it. I haven't played with the Colt 1911 much.
The game is free to play, but you have to earn points to open up new weapons...or you can just buy them outright. So far, I have earned enough for the Colt and the HK MP5.
Great game to teach folks how to take apart and assemble firearms. Not only that, you can see how they operate with various x ray modes, and slow motion.
Worth a look. :tu:
Post by: Chako on December 08, 2014, 03:00:54 AM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 08, 2014, 03:14:17 AM
I LOVE the look of the old lever action guns.
Post by: shark_za on December 08, 2014, 03:42:41 AM
As a side note, the Savage pistol was adopted by the Portugese Army in .32 ACP, with the result that it is one of the most common pistols you're likely to encounter in southern Africa.
Not from where I am sitting.
I am a private collector and jumped through all the hoops to get certified as such. What a mission.
They must have all been destroyed at some point. I have seen 1 or 2 in my life.
I have nlt spent much time in Angola but pistols are almost totally absent in Mozambique.
Post by: jerseydevil on December 08, 2014, 03:52:20 AM
Post by: Mr. Whippy on December 08, 2014, 04:02:29 AM
Post by: jzmtl on December 08, 2014, 04:07:48 AM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 08, 2014, 04:10:23 AM
Of course most of my experience is on the Ruger 10/22, but a good deal on old bolt action Savage my grandfather owned. A friend of mine is getting a Crickett single shot bolt action 'for his kids' this Christmas, and I expect that'll be just as much fun to me.
I bet your dad's model 62 has a ton of memories for you, huh?
Post by: jerseydevil on December 08, 2014, 04:14:37 AM
Post by: jerseydevil on December 08, 2014, 04:16:08 AM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 08, 2014, 04:17:00 AM
Post by: jzmtl on December 08, 2014, 04:26:01 AM
Jeez, now I'm just babbling. :facepalm: Sorry, but it's a topic I know a bit about. Sorry for the history lessons folks. :)
Nah, always interesting to hear, especially now that I don't have the time/place/money to expand on that front myself. :D
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 08, 2014, 04:38:09 AM
As a side note, the Savage pistol was adopted by the Portugese Army in .32 ACP, with the result that it is one of the most common pistols you're likely to encounter in southern Africa.
Not from where I am sitting.
I am a private collector and jumped through all the hoops to get certified as such. What a mission.
They must have all been destroyed at some point. I have seen 1 or 2 in my life.
I have nlt spent much time in Angola but pistols are almost totally absent in Mozambique.
Read that some where a few years back. Thanks for the correction. :salute:
Post by: ducttapetech on December 08, 2014, 01:17:06 PM
I was just cleaning a couple of my dad's guns,Been a while since I have seen a .22 pump. Nice looking rifle.
A Winchester model 62 (22 rifle, pump action):
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z231/bluebadger88/misc/Worn%20EDC/gub/20141207_190606_zpsdexfzeqv.jpg)
And a Ruger Mark I with right hand grip:
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z231/bluebadger88/misc/Worn%20EDC/gub/20141207_191112_zpsvjuefd6i.jpg)
At Chako, I have a Henry .22 mag. I will post a pic for you when I get home.
Post by: derekmac on December 08, 2014, 06:03:59 PM
I stumbled upon a Steam game called World of Guns Dis-assembly.That looks pretty cool! :tu: Though I'm not into guns, it would be cool to get to know them some.
So far, I have learned how to field strip and assemble an AK 47 in just under 6 minutes. My time keeps improving the more I do it. I haven't played with the Colt 1911 much.
The game is free to play, but you have to earn points to open up new weapons...or you can just buy them outright. So far, I have earned enough for the Colt and the HK MP5.
Great game to teach folks how to take apart and assemble firearms. Not only that, you can see how they operate with various x ray modes, and slow motion.
Worth a look. :tu:
Post by: captain spaulding on December 08, 2014, 07:43:48 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 08, 2014, 10:56:19 PM
http://www.peashooter85.com/post/57845555024/the-first-pump-action-shotgun-the-spencer-m1882
Colt brought out their Lightning pump action rifle in 1884. Repro versions are still available.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Lightning_Carbine
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 08, 2014, 11:00:06 PM
Teddy Roosevelt carried one in .405 Win on his African safari.
Post by: jerseydevil on December 08, 2014, 11:04:58 PM
The Winchester 1895 lever action used a box magazine and was chambered for .30-40 Krag, .30-06 Springfield, etc.
Teddy Roosevelt carried one in .405 Win on his African safari.
Yep he called it his "big medicine" for lion. The Czar's army ordered over 30,000 M1895's chambered for 7.62x54R during World War I as well. I don't think any were delivered. My father has an M91 Mosin-Nagant manufactured for the Imperial Russian Army by Westinghouse. Remington and Westinghouse made them, but they weren't delivered before the October Revolution. US troops used them during the intervention, and they were used as training rifles in the US as well, sort of like how the Arisaka was an official British rifle for a time! I've seen pictures of RN boarding parties where their rifles are clearly Type 30 Arisakas. This freed up SMLE's for the front line.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 08, 2014, 11:09:49 PM
I also picked up a Palmeto Armory lower kit months and months back when they were super low cost.
Well, I started assembling today. And, I have to say, I'm pretty sure I haven't said the F word this many times in one day for a LONG time. :rofl:
Getting roll pin started for bolt catch, impossible. launching springs and pins into thick carpet? Check. trigger assembly not fitting in milled out cavity? Check. Rear breakdown pin not sliding fully into place? Check. Screw hole in pistol grip not propperly aligned? Check. Ah... I could go on forever.
The good news is, apparently you only need a castle wrench, brass hammer, and Leatherman Rebar to do all the work.
Post by: jerseydevil on December 08, 2014, 11:25:11 PM
The good news is, apparently you only need a castle wrench, brass hammer, and Leatherman Rebar to do all the work.
For the Schmidt-Rubin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmidt-Rubin), you needed a screwdriver. A man named Karl Elsener thought that the knives that carried included that screwdriver should be made in Switzerland and not in another country, and the rest is history......... ;)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 08, 2014, 11:34:50 PM
I was just cleaning a couple of my dad's guns,
And a Ruger Mark I with right hand grip:
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z231/bluebadger88/misc/Worn%20EDC/gub/20141207_191112_zpsvjuefd6i.jpg)
I do not mean to tell you guys what you should like. That being said imo while the pump Winnie is very nice it baffles me why we are not cleaning drool off the floor for that beautiful blued Mark I.
Harley's Mark II needs a little playmate, just saying.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Ruger/RugerMK2008.jpg~original)
I mean is there a better .22 pistol?
Rhetorical question, there is not. :tu:
Post by: jerseydevil on December 08, 2014, 11:36:00 PM
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/webleyfosbery_zpsc3a35d54.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/webleyfosbery_zpsc3a35d54.jpg.html)
Imagine a .455 Webley Mk VI that would reload and cock itself like an automatic pistol when the trigger was pulled. To use it, the barrel and cylinder was "broken" down like a standard top break Webley. Six rounds were put in the chambers, and the front end pulled back up and locked. The top of the pistol was then pulled back like the slide on an automatic to cock it. When the trigger was pulled, after firing the top half of the revolver would recoil back, turn the cylinder, cock the hammer, and return to battery for the next shot. They were very fast and very accurate, but jammed easily in the mud of the Western Front. In 1914, a British officer could purchase any pistol he wanted as long as it was in an approved caliber (the Japanese actually did this as well until 1945). Many Webley-Fosberys ended up in the trenches, where they proved to be very unreliable.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 08, 2014, 11:40:04 PM
As for no love for the Mk I... well.. I mean... it's a right-handed pistol. What do you want from me? Things must first be practical for me to appreciate. Beauty comes second. Sorry. I'm sure it's terribly comfortable for a right handed shooter. But it's practically impossible to shoot left handed.
Post by: jerseydevil on December 08, 2014, 11:44:56 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 08, 2014, 11:45:49 PM
I saw a Webley-Fosbery on an auction list a few months back, along with a ton of other great guns.
As for no love for the Mk I... well.. I mean... it's a right-handed pistol. What do you want from me? Things most first be practical for me to appreciate. Beauty comes second. Sorry. I'm sure it's terribly comfortable for a right handed shooter. But it's practically impossible to shoot left handed.
Just a simple grip change.
I do understand how it would be easier to like it if it was set up for lefty.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 08, 2014, 11:46:25 PM
Has anyone ever noticed that the loading gate on the Colt 1873 Single Action Army and its clones is on the right side of the frame? All of those cowboy wheelguns are left handed! :o Bonus points for the person who knows why.......
Reins?
Post by: jerseydevil on December 08, 2014, 11:49:28 PM
Has anyone ever noticed that the loading gate on the Colt 1873 Single Action Army and its clones is on the right side of the frame? All of those cowboy wheelguns are left handed! :o Bonus points for the person who knows why.......
Reins?
We have a winner! :woohoo: Are you Cav, Harley? My uncle was in the Ia Drang with the 1/7th in 1965, and our driver at the store was a Blue with 2/9th in 1969.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 08, 2014, 11:57:41 PM
Has anyone ever noticed that the loading gate on the Colt 1873 Single Action Army and its clones is on the right side of the frame? All of those cowboy wheelguns are left handed! :o Bonus points for the person who knows why.......
Reins?
We have a winner! :woohoo: Are you Cav, Harley? My uncle was in the Ia Drang with the 1/7th in 1965, and our driver at the store was a Blue with 2/9th in 1969.
Brave Rifles!
Can you guess the unit?
Post by: jerseydevil on December 08, 2014, 11:59:03 PM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 09, 2014, 12:02:19 AM
Has anyone ever noticed that the loading gate on the Colt 1873 Single Action Army and its clones is on the right side of the frame? All of those cowboy wheelguns are left handed!
One of the things I love about cowboy action revolvers. :tu:
I also love civil war reenactments, where you see a cavalryman with two revolvers, reins in his teeth, doing a 'drive by' on enemy forces. That looks so awesome.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 09, 2014, 12:04:59 AM
:salute: 3rd Cav. Didn't even have to look that one up.
Yep you got it.
Fun fact. 3RD Cavalry Regiment was recently changed from an Armored Cavalry Regiment to a regular Cavalry Regiment. Now we as known as Mounted Riflemen.
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 09, 2014, 12:20:23 AM
Has anyone ever noticed that the loading gate on the Colt 1873 Single Action Army and its clones is on the right side of the frame? All of those cowboy wheelguns are left handed! :o Bonus points for the person who knows why.......
You hold the pistol in your left hand and use your right hand to operate the ejector and and load new rounds.
Post by: Chako on December 09, 2014, 12:26:07 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 09, 2014, 12:30:10 AM
'Broomhandle' Mauser
Danish M-1910 Bergman Bayard (similar in outline to the Mauser, but with a better grip and removable magazine)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 09, 2014, 12:32:54 AM
Some oldies I'd like to fire.
'Broomhandle' Mauser
Danish M-1910 Bergman Bayard (similar in outline to the Mauser, but with a better grip and removable magazine)
Han shot first!
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 09, 2014, 12:36:16 AM
Some oldies I'd like to fire.
'Broomhandle' Mauser
Danish M-1910 Bergman Bayard (similar in outline to the Mauser, but with a better grip and removable magazine)
Han shot first!
So did 'Winnie', at the Battle of Omdurman.
Post by: jerseydevil on December 09, 2014, 12:36:35 AM
You hold the pistol in your left hand and use your right hand to operate the ejector and and load new rounds.
Correct. But as a cavalryman, your reins were also always in your left hand. Your right had to be free for the saber and pistol.
Fun fact. 3RD Cavalry Regiment was recently changed from an Armored Cavalry Regiment to a regular Cavalry Regiment. Now we as known as Mounted Riflemen.
That's what that regiment started as. 170 years later, the more things change....... ;)
I also love civil war reenactments, where you see a cavalryman with two revolvers, reins in his teeth, doing a 'drive by' on enemy forces. That looks so awesome.
I participated in a Civil War reenactment once. I was "killed" around 6:15am on September 17, 1862 during I Corps' push towards the Dunker Church (http://www.nps.gov/anti/historyculture/dunkerchurch.htm). The Civil War is one of those things I know too much about compared to the average person. Say Peach Orchard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Peach_Orchard) to certain people and such a simple thing can bring up images of absolute horror. If you're not squeamish, do a Google image search of Alexander Gardner or Matthew Brady's battlefield photographs. The .58 caliber rifled musket that Ducttapetech has posted pictures of killed more American boys than any other single weapon in history. :(
Post by: jerseydevil on December 09, 2014, 12:40:40 AM
Some oldies I'd like to fire.
'Broomhandle' Mauser
Danish M-1910 Bergman Bayard (similar in outline to the Mauser, but with a better grip and removable magazine)
Han shot first!
So did 'Winnie', at the Battle of Omdurman.
The motto of the 21st Lancers, Churchills' regiment at Omdurman, was said to be, "Thou Shalt Not Kill", since the unit had never been in combat. They were cut to pieces in that charge.
The Bergmann-Bayard is pretty neat. My father owned a Spanish Destroyer Carbine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyer_carbine) in 9mm Largo, the same cartridge fired by the Bergmann. It's a mini Mauser 93!
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 09, 2014, 12:47:56 AM
Later on, originally because of potential IRA terrorists, and then during WWII, Churchill had a heavy oak chair with a steel plate bolted on its back. At the night the chair, with a rug thrown over it, sat by Churchill's bed, and with the Colt on the seat.
Post by: jerseydevil on December 09, 2014, 03:58:42 AM
Talk about men who have been there and done that, Lord Randolph's son is near the top of any list. The US Navy even named a destroyer after this honorary American citizen (and his mother was from Brooklyn, which might explain a bit as well ;) ). Mr. Churchill can be associated with even bigger guns than we've been talking about. As First Lord of the Admiralty before WWI, he was responsible for the introduction of the 13.5" (http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_135-45_mk5.htm) and 15" (http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_15-42_mk1.htm) guns into the Royal Navy........ :ahhh
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 09, 2014, 05:38:29 AM
Must have driven the Germans nuts. :D
Post by: jerseydevil on December 09, 2014, 05:52:35 AM
Post by: jerseydevil on December 09, 2014, 05:55:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUmkb_g7cx4
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 09, 2014, 06:07:28 AM
Oh man, railway guns! :ahhh Here in NJ and along the LI coast as well as around NY harbor, there are still surviving coastal artillery emplacements. The guns aren't there any more, but the gun pits and fortifications are. 16" rifles on disappearing mounts....... :drool: Strangely one of the best preserved US coast artillery batteries in existence is in Manila, PI, on Corregidor. 10" coast mortars, BIG guns........
There are a couple of disappearing mounts for 10" guns at Ft. Casey State Park in Washington State.
http://www.parks.wa.gov/505/Fort-Casey
Thought the disappearing guns were mainly 10" and 12". There were a few 16" batteries installed in the inter-war period in open positions, which were later enclosed in bunkers. The more numerous WWII emplacements were all enclosed from the start.
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 09, 2014, 06:15:19 AM
I never made it over to Dahlgren; as I recall access was extremely restricted.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 09, 2014, 06:19:26 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 09, 2014, 06:35:48 AM
I see we've moved on to discussing 'mouse guns'. :D
Mouse gun? How about a 4.25mm (.17 caliber) Menz Lilliput? It might take out a mouse (assuming you could hit it).
Post by: ducttapetech on December 09, 2014, 11:36:33 AM
In terms of oddballs I'd love to shoot, there is one at the top of my list, the Webley-Fosbery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webley-Fosbery_Automatic_Revolver).This is my all time favorite pistol. I always wanted one.
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/webleyfosbery_zpsc3a35d54.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/webleyfosbery_zpsc3a35d54.jpg.html)
Imagine a .455 Webley Mk VI that would reload and cock itself like an automatic pistol when the trigger was pulled. To use it, the barrel and cylinder was "broken" down like a standard top break Webley. Six rounds were put in the chambers, and the front end pulled back up and locked. The top of the pistol was then pulled back like the slide on an automatic to cock it. When the trigger was pulled, after firing the top half of the revolver would recoil back, turn the cylinder, cock the hammer, and return to battery for the next shot. They were very fast and very accurate, but jammed easily in the mud of the Western Front. In 1914, a British officer could purchase any pistol he wanted as long as it was in an approved caliber (the Japanese actually did this as well until 1945). Many Webley-Fosberys ended up in the trenches, where they proved to be very unreliable.
Post by: jerseydevil on December 09, 2014, 03:38:26 PM
In terms of oddballs I'd love to shoot, there is one at the top of my list, the Webley-Fosbery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webley-Fosbery_Automatic_Revolver).This is my all time favorite pistol. I always wanted one.
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/webleyfosbery_zpsc3a35d54.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/webleyfosbery_zpsc3a35d54.jpg.html)
Imagine a .455 Webley Mk VI that would reload and cock itself like an automatic pistol when the trigger was pulled. To use it, the barrel and cylinder was "broken" down like a standard top break Webley. Six rounds were put in the chambers, and the front end pulled back up and locked. The top of the pistol was then pulled back like the slide on an automatic to cock it. When the trigger was pulled, after firing the top half of the revolver would recoil back, turn the cylinder, cock the hammer, and return to battery for the next shot. They were very fast and very accurate, but jammed easily in the mud of the Western Front. In 1914, a British officer could purchase any pistol he wanted as long as it was in an approved caliber (the Japanese actually did this as well until 1945). Many Webley-Fosberys ended up in the trenches, where they proved to be very unreliable.
Me too. One day...... :dd:
Post by: ducttapetech on December 09, 2014, 03:40:38 PM
Yes, one day Ducttapetech will own one too.In terms of oddballs I'd love to shoot, there is one at the top of my list, the Webley-Fosbery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webley-Fosbery_Automatic_Revolver).This is my all time favorite pistol. I always wanted one.
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/webleyfosbery_zpsc3a35d54.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/webleyfosbery_zpsc3a35d54.jpg.html)
Imagine a .455 Webley Mk VI that would reload and cock itself like an automatic pistol when the trigger was pulled. To use it, the barrel and cylinder was "broken" down like a standard top break Webley. Six rounds were put in the chambers, and the front end pulled back up and locked. The top of the pistol was then pulled back like the slide on an automatic to cock it. When the trigger was pulled, after firing the top half of the revolver would recoil back, turn the cylinder, cock the hammer, and return to battery for the next shot. They were very fast and very accurate, but jammed easily in the mud of the Western Front. In 1914, a British officer could purchase any pistol he wanted as long as it was in an approved caliber (the Japanese actually did this as well until 1945). Many Webley-Fosberys ended up in the trenches, where they proved to be very unreliable.
Me too. One day...... :dd:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 09, 2014, 04:19:17 PM
Honestly a little surprised and curious about what makes this so. There are so many interesting pistols out there to see both of you say that makes me wonder.
Post by: ducttapetech on December 09, 2014, 04:24:25 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 09, 2014, 04:34:21 PM
Easy, SEMI AUTO REVOLVER. And it breaks down. And it looks sharp.
I agree strongly that is is in the top three for its semi auto ness and break down style but argue for the Colt 1851 Navy.
Imho way more sexy looking then the Webly and weighs 2 and a half pounds for them days when you just want to beat someone to death with it.
Not to mention JJ used one.
Post by: ducttapetech on December 09, 2014, 04:45:16 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 09, 2014, 04:48:41 PM
Ducttapetech loves his 51 Colt.
Harley will own one someday and wonders where the DTT got his?
Post by: ducttapetech on December 09, 2014, 04:54:29 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 09, 2014, 05:00:49 PM
Ducttapetech got his from Uberti. Ducttapetech's Colt Navy is a repro. Made exactly to spec. So exactly they interchangeable with an original.
Harley would like to know how much something like that costs?
Harley also feels bad for JD for missing talk of an old weapon.
Post by: ducttapetech on December 09, 2014, 05:05:13 PM
Ducttapetech paid about $200. This has been a few years ago. Ducttapetech is not sure how much one cost now. Ducttapetech also says it is a sweet shooting pistol and is very accurate. Ducttapetech was very surprised at how tight it shoots for what it is. Ducttapetech thinks Harley should get one.Ducttapetech got his from Uberti. Ducttapetech's Colt Navy is a repro. Made exactly to spec. So exactly they interchangeable with an original.
Harley would like to know how much something like that costs?
Harley also feels bad for JD for missing talk of an old weapon.
Post by: jerseydevil on December 09, 2014, 05:13:35 PM
:D JD will be home from work around 2, and has a lot to say on the subject. JD also has some pics of authentic Civil War bullets to post. One has obviouly been chewed on, but it's not really what you might think.....Ducttapetech got his from Uberti. Ducttapetech's Colt Navy is a repro. Made exactly to spec. So exactly they interchangeable with an original.
Harley would like to know how much something like that costs?
Harley also feels bad for JD for missing talk of an old weapon.
Post by: ducttapetech on December 09, 2014, 05:28:56 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 09, 2014, 05:33:55 PM
Ducttapetech paid about $200. This has been a few years ago. Ducttapetech is not sure how much one cost now. Ducttapetech also says it is a sweet shooting pistol and is very accurate. Ducttapetech was very surprised at how tight it shoots for what it is. Ducttapetech thinks Harley should get one.Ducttapetech got his from Uberti. Ducttapetech's Colt Navy is a repro. Made exactly to spec. So exactly they interchangeable with an original.
Harley would like to know how much something like that costs?
Harley also feels bad for JD for missing talk of an old weapon.
Harley supports the content of this post.
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 09, 2014, 09:52:05 PM
Easy, SEMI AUTO REVOLVER. And it breaks down. And it looks sharp.
I agree strongly that is is in the top three for its semi auto ness and break down style but argue for the Colt 1851 Navy.
Imho way more sexy looking then the Webly and weighs 2 and a half pounds for them days when you just want to beat someone to death with it.
Not to mention JJ used one.
If you want something heavy, get a Walker or Dragoon. The Dragoon would be appropriate, considering you're in the cavalry.
http://www.uberti.com/dragoon-revolvers
Post by: jerseydevil on December 10, 2014, 03:21:59 AM
If you want something heavy, get a Walker or Dragoon. The Dragoon would be appropriate, considering you're in the cavalry.
"Well, now the Duck of Death is as good as dead 'cause this time Corky does it right an' aims real good, no hurry... Bam! That Walker Colt blew up in his hand... which was a failing common to that model. Now if Corky would have really had two guns instead of just a big smurf he could have defended himself to the end."
- Little Bill Daggett (Gene Hackman), Unforgiven.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 10, 2014, 03:33:12 AM
Sorry guys, I got the bullets set for pics, got the camera out....... The damn battery was dead. :facepalm: I'll get the pics and post them tomorrow.
Fail. :facepalm:
Been checking out the New Army Conversion on the Uberti site. Pretty neat.
Post by: jerseydevil on December 10, 2014, 04:24:01 AM
Fail. :facepalm:
I know. :facepalm: Be patient, if I'm feeling nice there might be a pic of an original .56-56 Spencer cartridge included...... :)
Post by: NKlamerus on December 10, 2014, 06:28:33 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 10, 2014, 07:05:14 AM
Simple. Remmy 308....a USED 308...no show cases here. But my shots a little high in the pic(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/09/8d1b048996689dd3179b1470cab378bb.jpg)
Whaat scope is this, Redfield?
Post by: NKlamerus on December 10, 2014, 10:07:54 PM
I'll have to check next time I'm up at camp.Simple. Remmy 308....a USED 308...no show cases here. But my shots a little high in the pic(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/09/8d1b048996689dd3179b1470cab378bb.jpg)
Whaat scope is this, Redfield?
Either way I hate it. You can't tell in this photo but the shape of the scope at the eye end is square. There is NO position you can be in where there isn't negative view in the corners.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 13, 2014, 01:53:14 AM
While the maker of this video repeats the FBI statement, that the 9mm, using premium ammo, outperforms all other LE options (40., .357 Sig, and .45), and makes some other statements about the Military sticking with the 9mm Beretta 92, it misses the point that improvement in performance of the 9mm round is due entirely to better bullet design, specifically hollowpoint reliability, and hollowpoints are banned from military use. This means there's still reasonable possibility that the military might opt for a bigger round, because all things being equal, a bigger caliber hardball does better than smaller calibers.
My guess, if I had to make one, as to what the military will do is... nothing, at least not for a few years. The least expensive option is to just stick with what they have. This video also mentions service contracts for accessories, but neglects to mention that the military stockpiles large quantities of ammo, and orders for this stuff can take years to fill. My hubby's dad, before he passed away, was a DOD civilian who did ammo acquisition. It was a full time job, and I'm guessing he wasn't the only guy doing it.
Anyway, I don't agree 100% with this guy, but he makes some good points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy71umadb6k&spfreload=10
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 13, 2014, 03:19:17 AM
This video came up on my youtube feed, and it's pretty much what I'd been hearing, that the FBI was switching back to 9mm, and suggesting that law enforcement agencies do the same.
While the maker of this video repeats the FBI statement, that the 9mm, using premium ammo, outperforms all other LE options (40., .357 Sig, and .45), and makes some other statements about the Military sticking with the 9mm Beretta 92, it misses the point that improvement in performance of the 9mm round is due entirely to better bullet design, specifically hollowpoint reliability, and hollowpoints are banned from military use. This means there's still reasonable possibility that the military might opt for a bigger round, because all things being equal, a bigger caliber hardball does better than smaller calibers.
My guess, if I had to make one, as to what the military will do is... nothing, at least not for a few years. The least expensive option is to just stick with what they have. This video also mentions service contracts for accessories, but neglects to mention that the military stockpiles large quantities of ammo, and orders for this stuff can take years to fill. My hubby's dad, before he passed away, was a DOD civilian who did ammo acquisition. It was a full time job, and I'm guessing he wasn't the only guy doing it.
Anyway, I don't agree 100% with this guy, but he makes some good points.
As far as 9mm ammo goes I am willing to bet there is not much left based on umm my experience.
Would also give even odds or better on any bet that there will be no change in the Armys sidearm anytime soon.
Lastly I would kill to have a .45 striker fired or DAO as my sidearm.
Post by: jerseydevil on December 13, 2014, 03:31:16 AM
Post by: jerseydevil on December 13, 2014, 03:33:41 AM
As far as 9mm ammo goes I am willing to bet there is not much left based on umm my experience.
Under no circumstances is this the place for me to ask, not something I go out of my way to ask veterans. The stories I've heard are ALL given under those gentleman's own free will, not me poking. All the same, :salute:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 13, 2014, 04:21:31 AM
I'm a bit surprised that the FBI is willing to go back to the 9mm. This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout) is why they went to the 10mm. There was a HUGE stink over it at the time. Even then, they cut the load back on the 10 so the recoil wasn't as bad, which ultimately led to the .40 S&W. In a military situation, expanding bullets are illegal in terms of the Geneva Convention. Therefore, a larger FMJ round will cause a bigger hole than a smaller one. That's why the .45ACP has prevailed over all these years. And for the record, the .455 Webley cartridge fired a heavier bullet than the .45ACP, 265gr vs 230gr.
There is a large difference between the 9mm round of today then the one used in 86. Still I am to surprised to see the FBI go back to the 9mm. More from a political angle then effectiveness though. Not like goverment agencys to admit they may have made a mistake.
FMJ though 9mm is a joke. Course we knew you needed larger calibers for FMJ since 1899. Nothing new.
Of course you know what happened in 1899 JD.
Post by: jerseydevil on December 13, 2014, 04:39:08 AM
Of course you know what happened in 1899 JD.
::) Check your PM.....
In 1899 the US Army was fighting a war in the Philippines, which the vast majority of US citizens have never heard of. At the time, the standard US sidearm was a revolver in .38 Long Colt, which was weaker than today's .38 Special. Those bullets did not stop what they were hitting, even when they didn't bounce off their targets. :o The US military went back to the .45LC and then to the .45ACP because of this experience, and only went to the 9mm in 1985 for political reasons.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 13, 2014, 04:39:42 AM
While I was 'in the military', I was in the Air force, and more, in AMC, and more than that, CONUS, and more than that, in the middle of a cornfield in Illinois. I was about as non-military as you can get and still be considered military. Only the MPs had firearms on Scott. So I really have no idea what the regs are for sidearms.
There are some nice .45 DAO or striker fired pistols out there, but I guess you know that already. But if you're not allowed to carry them, they aren't much good.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 13, 2014, 04:42:39 AM
Of course you know what happened in 1899 JD.
::) Check your PM.....
In 1899 the US Army was fighting a war in the Philippines, which the vast majority of US citizens have never heard of. At the time, the standard US sidearm was a revolver in .38 Long Colt, which was weaker than today's .38 Special. Those bullets did not stop what they were hitting, even when they didn't bounce off their targets. :o The US military went back to the .45LC and then to the .45ACP because of this experience, and only went to the 9mm in 1985 for political reasons.
Knew you could explain it better then I can.
Post by: ducttapetech on December 13, 2014, 04:44:13 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 13, 2014, 04:45:28 AM
Harley, are you expressly forbidden from carrying your own personal (non-issue) side arm in Afghanistan?
No, not no but smurf no.
I would so have my Glock 23 rocking Speer Lawman if I could.
Limited to 9mm using our issue ammo I would Glock 19 or SIG 226.
Post by: jerseydevil on December 13, 2014, 04:50:09 AM
Also know as the "One Shot and they drop"
Yeah, pretty much. I was trying to be PC. :)
Lynn, it's not 1944 where the local PD sends you a .45 revolver to use against those Nazis. That being said, I've heard of times........
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 13, 2014, 04:55:14 AM
Also know as the "One Shot and they drop"
Not trying to start an argument and I assume you are joking but this is not the case.
A pistol is a very ineffective weapon when used by trained folks.
One shot stops is very much the exeption rather then the rule.
Important to know and train for if you use a firearm for self defense.
Post by: dmanuel on December 13, 2014, 07:43:22 AM
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e118/dmanuel/EDC/Fiddleback/PC130004_zps5b0ed94e.jpg~original)
Post by: captain spaulding on December 13, 2014, 08:53:28 AM
Awesome scope by the way.
Post by: dmanuel on December 13, 2014, 09:02:36 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on December 13, 2014, 09:05:28 AM
It's a Merkel Stutzen K3 in a Mannlicher stock. Wonderful rifle. All breaks down nicely to store in a briefcase.
Ah ok. That makes more sense. Beautiful rifle!
Post by: kirk13 on December 13, 2014, 09:57:25 PM
It's a Merkel Stutzen K3 in a Mannlicher stock. Wonderful rifle. All breaks down nicely to store in a briefcase.
Ah ok. That makes more sense. Beautiful rifle!
Stutzen :drool:
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 14, 2014, 04:19:05 PM
I finally got to shoot the Mosin Nagant. I fired it once, set it down, and told my friend 'Thank you. You just saved me $150'. I found it about like being punched in the shoulder while every bone in my upper body was rattled. I don't consider myself all that recoil sensitive, but found the experience extremely unpleasant. Now I won't be tempted to buy one, regardless of how cheap they may be.
Another friend has a Tavor, and I've been waiting to fire it. I could only manage to shoot it twice, since the safety switch was set up for right hand fire, and being left handed, it sets a LOT lower than on (for instance) an AR15. This meant when I fired it, the selector lever would dig into my hand just behind the first knuckle of my index finger. No broken skin, but bruising from two shots. Without the buffer system of the AR, it's not nearly as smooth a shooter. There are apparently two trigger reset springs, that give it what I could only describe as about the worst trigger I've ever felt in my life, but you can remove one of the springs and it greatly smooths out the trigger. The trigger spring thing is intended to allow the gun to function in sandy/gritty conditions, and in combat, is meant to make the firearm more reliable. On an indoor range, it's just a serious annoyance. My friend had done this and it made it... sort of middle of the road. Not great, not horrible. She also had a scope on it, and has it set up weirdly far to the rear, so I couldn't quite get my eye to focus through it. For the cost, I just do NOT get the appeal of the gun. I don't need a bullpup design that bad.
I also got to shoot another friend's new CCW pistol, the Springfield XDs. It was set up with laser sights and... wow. It shot super accurate for me. I put two 7-round mags through it and got two 1.5" groups at 7 yards, weaver stance.
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m208/lynnlefey/Targets/IMGP1963_zps56624101.jpg)
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m208/lynnlefey/Targets/IMGP1964_zpse8436b59.jpg)
In both cases, I was aiming for the number 8 on the target. So, it's shooting a bit high and left. I shot the XD subcompact and liked it a good bit too. This time, I got the shoot the XDs and S&W Shield one right after the other, and didn't have a huge difference in my opinion of which was better. The Shield seems to fit perfectly in my hand, but it was a very minor ergonomic improvement, as far as actual shooting performance, they were the same. I had a good deal of muzzle flip on my first shot of the XDs, and just adjusted my grip a bit to get rid of the problem.
I shot a few more 3.5" and 4" groups with my Ruger LC9. I thought I was doing pretty well with it, and handed it off to my friend with the Mosin. He shot... uhhh... well, he hit the target (paper) twice out of the 7 shots he fired. I guess he's more of a rifle guy. :rofl:
I got a little bit sub 3" group with hubby's S&W Shield, and was getting consistent 2" groups from all the .22 pistols I fired. That would be our Ruger SR22, Berretta Neos, and a friend's S&W 22A. It was odd that the SR22 was shooting as well as the other two, with their longer barrels.
All the pistols were being shot at 7 yards, and the rifles at 33 yards (the max distance on that indoor range). When we checked in, the guy at the counter asked to see all of our ammo. usually they don't care about .22, but they wanted to see that as well. He said they had to now, because 'some guy brought in incendiary ammo and caught our range on fire'.
I think the best part of this whole thing is that the range we go to is connected to a BBQ joint with REALLY good BBQ. I just hope I'm not living up too much to the 'Murica stereotypes, but... I mean, come on. Shooting and eating dead animals. That's just a good afternoon! :D
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 15, 2014, 02:54:22 AM
Good BBQ is always a plus!
Post by: dks on December 15, 2014, 12:22:00 PM
Post by: Gareth on December 15, 2014, 03:17:48 PM
(http://www.imagebites.com/pictures/9e5bbade7e782472f2b7eecb2dc5b847.jpg)
......or
(http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/resources/images/2614349.jpg?type=articleLandscape)
Just because not all of our Police are armed, doesn't mean none of them are. ;)
Post by: dks on December 15, 2014, 03:19:30 PM
So, you are English ?(http://www.imagebites.com/pictures/9e5bbade7e782472f2b7eecb2dc5b847.jpg)
......or
(http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/resources/images/2614349.jpg?type=articleLandscape)
Just because not all of our Police are armed, doesn't mean none of them are. ;)
Post by: Gareth on December 15, 2014, 03:31:03 PM
Post by: dks on December 15, 2014, 03:46:43 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on December 15, 2014, 04:09:25 PM
Yes and no on the joking. But it was called that by our G.I.s in WW2. I myself an a firm believer in double tap. And if your not sure, double tap again.Also know as the "One Shot and they drop"
Not trying to start an argument and I assume you are joking but this is not the case.
A pistol is a very ineffective weapon when used by trained folks.
One shot stops is very much the exeption rather then the rule.
Important to know and train for if you use a firearm for self defense.
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 16, 2014, 03:34:26 AM
Yes and no on the joking. But it was called that by our G.I.s in WW2. I myself an a firm believer in double tap. And if your not sure, double tap again.Also know as the "One Shot and they drop"
Not trying to start an argument and I assume you are joking but this is not the case.
A pistol is a very ineffective weapon when used by trained folks.
One shot stops is very much the exeption rather then the rule.
Important to know and train for if you use a firearm for self defense.
There are plenty of stories out of WWII about enemy troops who took a burst from a Thompson and kept on coming or kept on going. About the smallest round I've never heard of a failure to stop is a Browning .50
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 16, 2014, 04:02:51 AM
Weird stuff happens.
I heard another case, from an episode of 'Crime 360', where a guy was running away from another guy, like 30 yards away, both guys were running. The chasing guy shoots the other with a .380 pocket pistol, hits the other guy right in the 'walnut', the base of the brain. Instant kill. Hitting even center mass with a .380 pocket pistol at 30 yards is impressive. Doing it at a full run is insane. Hitting someone with an instant kill shot is one of those flukes that while possible, seems against all odds.
Post by: captain spaulding on December 16, 2014, 04:04:33 AM
(http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/resources/images/2614349.jpg?type=articleLandscape)
Just because not all of our Police are armed, doesn't mean none of them are. ;)
Pfftt.... Our citizens are toting more firepower than that. :whistle:
I am joking, but not really.
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 16, 2014, 04:13:35 AM
Some of the old-time ivory hunters used the 6.5mm Mannlicher-Schoennauer, because the solid bullet had excellent penetration and the low noise didn't frighten the herd.
If I was an insurance agent, I don't think I would sell members of either group a policy.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 16, 2014, 05:35:52 AM
Just got a facebook message from one of the members of my gun-shooting club. Looks like next time out, I'll get to shoot an M1895 Nagant revolver. Looks neat. I'll be interested to see how it shoots.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_M1895
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 16, 2014, 05:48:57 AM
:D
Just got a facebook message from one of the members of my gun-shooting club. Looks like next time out, I'll get to shoot an M1895 Nagant revolver. Looks neat. I'll be interested to see how it shoots.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_M1895
Never had a chance to fire one. Have fun, and let us know how it went.
Post by: ducttapetech on December 16, 2014, 10:26:12 AM
Fun revolver.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 16, 2014, 11:13:47 AM
Report back on how it shoots please Lynn.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 16, 2014, 01:19:37 PM
Report back on how it shoots please Lynn.
Will do. :salute:
Although, i don't think our next meeting is likely to be until February or thereabouts.
Post by: ducttapetech on December 16, 2014, 01:21:19 PM
Are you gonna shoot the 7.62x38r or 32 mags?Report back on how it shoots please Lynn.
Will do. :salute:
Although, i don't think our next meeting is likely to be until February or thereabouts.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 16, 2014, 01:23:36 PM
Are you gonna shoot the 7.62x38r or 32 mags?
I don't know yet. All I know at this point is that it's a Nagant M19895 revolver. More details as I learn them.
I was reading about the gas seal system. The pistol sounds kind of amazing for the era in which it was made.
Post by: ducttapetech on December 16, 2014, 01:27:56 PM
Also, it is easy to take down and clean. Heads up, it has a super heavy trigger pull if it is stock.
Post by: Chako on December 22, 2014, 03:10:36 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 22, 2014, 03:13:20 PM
Good grief. I found my PAL course paperwork. It appears I got it in the mail a week and a half ago...and didn't notice it as I quickly and absentmindedly placed more papers over it. I was doing a little cleaning and found the papers. Now all I need is my restricted paperwork, and I should be good to go. :facepalm: :D
Good thing you found it.
You have to go through all this stuff just to buy a firearm? You are a grown adult person with no criminal record?
Post by: Chako on December 22, 2014, 03:50:28 PM
Yeah, one has to jump through flaming hoops to buy firearms in Canada. It does nothing to prevent criminals from getting them however.
Taking the RCMP firearms safety course in order to get a PAL, which allows you to buy non-restricted firearms such as hunting rifles and shotguns, and the ammunition that goes with it, does make sense. If you want to get into pistols, then things get interesting. Pistols in Canada are restricted in the sense that you need a Transportation document from the local regional firearms officer in order to transport it back and forth to the gun range. Therefore, you can't just pack your pistol and go anywhere. This means you have to belong to a gun club in order to buy one...and of course pass the restricted safety course. Then there are the prohibited weapons which can be anything too short for a long rifle or shotgun, to having too many bullets in your magazines, to very short barrel pistols.
If you want to hunt, you also need to take the hunter's safety course. Can't hunt with pistols either.
Now for the PAL and restricted, I have to get a passport style photo, 2 affidavits from people I know, and 80 something bucks to apply for the actual licence.
Yeah, lots of restrictions for firearms in Canada.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 22, 2014, 03:56:19 PM
Criminals do not use legal firearms, short of making sure you are not a felon and maybe some form of safety class all this is a waste of money and time. Does not do one bit of good.
Post by: Chako on December 22, 2014, 04:02:10 PM
Post by: Etherealicer on December 22, 2014, 04:07:26 PM
I will never understand this at all.Its pretty simple, you arrest the criminal for carrying an illegal firearm. That way you don't have to wait until he kills somebody until you have the legal means to disarm him (and throw his ass into jail).
Criminals do not use legal firearms, short of making sure you are not a felon and maybe some form of safety class all this is a waste of money and time. Does not do one bit of good.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 22, 2014, 04:16:22 PM
I will never understand this at all.Its pretty simple, you arrest the criminal for carrying an illegal firearm. That way you don't have to wait until he kills somebody until you have the legal means to disarm him (and throw his ass into jail).
Criminals do not use legal firearms, short of making sure you are not a felon and maybe some form of safety class all this is a waste of money and time. Does not do one bit of good.
Yeah for sure brother.
Here in the US for example it is against the law for a criminal to carry a firearm of any kind.
I was talking about law following school teachers and the like.
Post by: derekmac on December 22, 2014, 04:26:14 PM
Post by: Smashie on December 22, 2014, 04:45:32 PM
As a High School teacher, I can't have a criminal record.
Yeah, one has to jump through flaming hoops to buy firearms in Canada. It does nothing to prevent criminals from getting them however.
Taking the RCMP firearms safety course in order to get a PAL, which allows you to buy non-restricted firearms such as hunting rifles and shotguns, and the ammunition that goes with it, does make sense. If you want to get into pistols, then things get interesting. Pistols in Canada are restricted in the sense that you need a Transportation document from the local regional firearms officer in order to transport it back and forth to the gun range. Therefore, you can't just pack your pistol and go anywhere. This means you have to belong to a gun club in order to buy one...and of course pass the restricted safety course. Then there are the prohibited weapons which can be anything too short for a long rifle or shotgun, to having too many bullets in your magazines, to very short barrel pistols.
If you want to hunt, you also need to take the hunter's safety course. Can't hunt with pistols either.
Now for the PAL and restricted, I have to get a passport style photo, 2 affidavits from people I know, and 80 something bucks to apply for the actual licence.
Yeah, lots of restrictions for firearms in Canada.
Wow and I thought UK was bad, well England, Scotland and Wales, Northern Ireland is a slightly different story
Post by: Chako on December 22, 2014, 05:11:45 PM
Post by: Smashie on December 22, 2014, 05:32:07 PM
It is not that bad. No laws restricting archery outside of hunting, and our knife laws are fairly lax.
No Center fire semi-auto, no auto shotguns without a firearms certificate, no hunting with any form of archery or sling shot, not trapping with snares and I'm sure I don't need to mention out bass-akwards knife laws.
Having said all that, if you ever get the chance, go fishing with a grenade :D (It wasn't in the UK).
Oh and as much as I like handguns I love rifles, again a problem here is muzzle velocity is limited at ranges like Bisley so you have to wait for few occasions that the Military ranges are open. Or you spend money and go somewhere else :ahhh
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 22, 2014, 06:21:17 PM
It is not that bad. No laws restricting archery outside of hunting, and our knife laws are fairly lax.
This got me thinking what kind of gun collection Chako might have if he had been born in the US lol.
Post by: Smashie on December 22, 2014, 06:26:23 PM
:ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhhIt is not that bad. No laws restricting archery outside of hunting, and our knife laws are fairly lax.
This got me thinking what kind of gun collection Chako might have if he had been born in the US lol.
I tried to think about this and my mind melted. How many variants are there for rifles and handguns, even if you picked one manufacturer or design, Glock, Sig or 1911 and AR-15. Even my own favorite the Ruger 10/22 has more possible combinations than I can get my tiny mind around!
Post by: ducttapetech on December 22, 2014, 06:32:31 PM
I have more firearms than I do SAKs and multipliers combined.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 22, 2014, 06:38:33 PM
He would be like the rest of the us Americans. LOL!
I have more firearms than I do SAKs and multipliers combined.
I use to be this way too. Then I decided to make a serious effort to have only one of each type of firearm that I was interested and invest the rest of my money in ammo and my daughter.
So now I have one bolt rifle, AR, Glock, Shotgun, .22 pistol, .22 rifle, Revolver well you get the idea.
Come to think of it I still have more firearms then SAKs and MTs lol.
Post by: Chako on December 22, 2014, 07:15:20 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 22, 2014, 07:31:30 PM
I am not going nuts. I would like a .22 pistol that I haven't determined yet what model, 1 .22 rifle...either an AR type or the Ruger 10/22. That will be my starter set...but going to focus on a pistol first.
I have shot tons of .22 pistols and have found no better then this. Ruger Mark II. It is not made anymore so if it is to hard to find the Mark III is an ok substitute.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Ruger/RugerMK2002.jpg~original)
Going to go with a Ruger for rifle also even though the Savage .22s are very nice also. 10/22 with a match barrel and aftermarket trigger. Green Mountain and Kidd for me but there are tons of good ones.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Ruger/Done005.jpg~original)
Post by: dmanuel on December 22, 2014, 10:40:01 PM
50 Yards, front bag no rear bag, 5 shot groups, first day at the range
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e118/dmanuel/Guns/Rugers/1022s/Mine/IMG_0176.jpg)
If you are looking for supreme accuracy then you might consider the S&W 42. If you want something that is decently accurate and affordable then the Ruger MK I/II/III and the Browning Buckmark are both good options. Walther P22 is a fun gun, some complain about problems but I've easily sent 20k rounds down range without issue, minus it just being too fouled up. Might consider picking up a 1911 and a .22 conversion for it. Or even do the same thing for a Glock. Some really good units out there.
There are just so many options when it comes to 22's that it can be overwhelming. Don't forget to look into the CZ 452/453/455. With a little work mine keeps up with Anschutz's, I never win but I never get embarrassed either.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 23, 2014, 03:04:07 AM
Very nice, not many people sporting the Kidd triggers out of a certain circle. Why did you go with the GM barrel over a Kidd? I love my Kidd rifle and it sure loves to show off.
There are just so many options when it comes to 22's that it can be overwhelming. Don't forget to look into the CZ 452/453/455. With a little work mine keeps up with Anschutz's, I never win but I never get embarrassed either.
It was a long time ago but I think there was a sale and a lot of good reviews that got me going with the GM barrel. Kidd is very good barrel also.
Dang had a brain fart and totally forgot about the CZ line. Very excellent bolt rifles. Crazy accurate right out of the box.
Post by: Chako on December 24, 2014, 11:11:19 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 25, 2014, 02:49:43 AM
Just received my last paperwork in the mail. Almost ready to send off for the licence. Guess that will have to wait till after Christmas. :D
First to say, so it begins. :facepalm:
Post by: Chako on December 25, 2014, 05:07:52 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 25, 2014, 05:51:41 AM
Put it to good use (assuming we haven't completely confused you regarding what to buy) :D
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 25, 2014, 07:43:19 AM
Congrats on your special Christmas present! :cheers:
Put it to good use (assuming we haven't completely confused you regarding what to buy) :D
No confusion. Ruger 10/22 or CZ for rifle. Ruger Mark II or III for pistol.
Easy as pie.
Post by: captain spaulding on December 25, 2014, 09:06:05 AM
Congrats on your special Christmas present! :cheers:
Put it to good use (assuming we haven't completely confused you regarding what to buy) :D
No confusion. Ruger 10/22 or CZ for rifle. Ruger Mark II or III for pistol.
Easy as pie.
Agreed. :tu:
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 25, 2014, 09:45:42 AM
Congrats on your special Christmas present! :cheers:
Put it to good use (assuming we haven't completely confused you regarding what to buy) :D
No confusion. Ruger 10/22 or CZ for rifle. Ruger Mark II or III for pistol.
Easy as pie.
Agreed. :tu:
Agree on the rifle suggestions, with a preference for the CZ.
Pistol? I'd go with a S&W M617, or possibly a Ruger revolver.
Post by: captain spaulding on December 25, 2014, 09:47:08 AM
Congrats on your special Christmas present! :cheers:
Put it to good use (assuming we haven't completely confused you regarding what to buy) :D
No confusion. Ruger 10/22 or CZ for rifle. Ruger Mark II or III for pistol.
Easy as pie.
Agreed. :tu:
Agree on the rifle suggestions, with a preference for the CZ.
Pistol? I'd go with a S&W M617.
If we are talking revolvers that is a great option.
Post by: Chako on December 25, 2014, 11:29:42 AM
I think it just might be a Ruger Mark something for a starter. The local gun shop has a few Ruger Mark III, and Mark 4s up for grabs with varying grips and barrel lengths. I have been eyeing the Ruger 10/22 as well.
But then, I might just go with something larger and get a .22 kit. If anything, I do have time to make my research count. If nothing else, I can now proceed to the next step of this journey. :tu:
Thanks all for the excellent advice. :salute:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 25, 2014, 11:42:47 AM
Congrats on your special Christmas present! :cheers:
Put it to good use (assuming we haven't completely confused you regarding what to buy) :D
No confusion. Ruger 10/22 or CZ for rifle. Ruger Mark II or III for pistol.
Easy as pie.
Agreed. :tu:
Agree on the rifle suggestions, with a preference for the CZ.
Pistol? I'd go with a S&W M617, or possibly a Ruger revolver.
SO agree with this if we talking revolvers, nothing even close imo.
You are still selling me your 617 cheap right CS?
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 25, 2014, 07:18:00 PM
Congrats on your special Christmas present! :cheers:
Put it to good use (assuming we haven't completely confused you regarding what to buy) :D
No confusion. Ruger 10/22 or CZ for rifle. Ruger Mark II or III for pistol.
Easy as pie.
Agreed. :tu:
Agree on the rifle suggestions, with a preference for the CZ.
Pistol? I'd go with a S&W M617, or possibly a Ruger revolver.
SO agree with this if we talking revolvers, nothing even close imo.
You are still selling me your 617 cheap right CS?
I'll trade it to you straight across for a new SIG 210-6. :D
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 26, 2014, 03:04:43 AM
Congrats on your special Christmas present! :cheers:
Put it to good use (assuming we haven't completely confused you regarding what to buy) :D
No confusion. Ruger 10/22 or CZ for rifle. Ruger Mark II or III for pistol.
Easy as pie.
Agreed. :tu:
Agree on the rifle suggestions, with a preference for the CZ.
Pistol? I'd go with a S&W M617, or possibly a Ruger revolver.
SO agree with this if we talking revolvers, nothing even close imo.
You are still selling me your 617 cheap right CS?
I'll trade it to you straight across for a new SIG 210-6. :D
I know math. :twak:
Post by: Chako on December 26, 2014, 08:28:13 PM
Post by: dks on December 26, 2014, 08:31:57 PM
Post by: Smashie on December 26, 2014, 08:34:24 PM
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Post by: ducttapetech on December 27, 2014, 01:40:28 AM
Post by: Gareth on December 27, 2014, 02:09:41 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 30, 2014, 03:33:14 AM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 30, 2014, 03:35:05 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 30, 2014, 03:36:39 AM
Am i seeing that wrong, or are those two Glocks linked by a single scope? That'd be a wicked little package.
Your eyesight's just fine.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 30, 2014, 03:43:06 AM
And i want one. :rofl:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 30, 2014, 03:47:55 AM
dear
sweet
Jesus.
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 30, 2014, 03:50:34 AM
Post by: Chako on December 30, 2014, 04:04:55 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 30, 2014, 04:06:40 AM
What that seriously needs is some sort of a mechanism that will pull both triggers with one pull of a third trigger.
Not to rain onthe parade but we may be over thinking this.
Post by: Chako on December 30, 2014, 04:57:53 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 30, 2014, 06:28:34 AM
What? You mean cobbling two Glocks together like that isn't over thinking it to begin with? May as well take it to the next level of complexity. :D
Maybe a stock and laser sight in that case.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 30, 2014, 06:29:28 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 30, 2014, 08:55:02 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 30, 2014, 08:55:30 AM
Post by: JBW1 on December 30, 2014, 01:31:26 PM
Here's the ultimate Glock for Harley; a pair of back-to-back full-auto models.I'd rather have the 'stash and perv glasses ::)
Post by: Chako on December 30, 2014, 01:37:34 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 30, 2014, 03:17:05 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on January 11, 2015, 06:37:29 AM
The first shot is of makers. The second is gun clubs and shooting tournaments, mainly Swiss.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 11, 2015, 07:47:44 AM
Guns and knives go together like ham and eggs.
The first shot is of makers. The second is gun clubs and shooting tournaments, mainly Swiss.
I think it would be neat to live in Swissland.
Since this is about firearms here is a pic of the rifle I have at home that needs some attention when I get home.
Mossberg MVP 5.56.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Harley%27s-Stuff/P1170502-900x601.jpg?m=1420958765)
Post by: Chako on January 11, 2015, 05:48:44 PM
Post by: Gareth on January 11, 2015, 05:52:56 PM
<----still waiting...very patiently I may add...for his firearms licence to grace his door. :whistle:
Is that "patiently" as in "standing by the door, staring at the letterbox, glancing at watch and tapping foot" kind of patiently? :D
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 11, 2015, 07:59:45 PM
<----still waiting...very patiently I may add...for his firearms licence to grace his door. :whistle:
Something to help pass the time.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Ruger/RugerMK2008.jpg~original)
Post by: Higgins617 on January 11, 2015, 09:00:52 PM
<----still waiting...very patiently I may add...for his firearms licence to grace his door. :whistle:
Something to help pass the time.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Ruger/RugerMK2008.jpg~original)
You've really got some nice stuff buddy, gear guns and all. Went with my friend to pick up his new S&W AR15.
Post by: ducttapetech on January 11, 2015, 09:54:46 PM
Nate
Post by: captain spaulding on January 11, 2015, 10:55:17 PM
<----still waiting...very patiently I may add...for his firearms licence to grace his door. :whistle:
Something to help pass the time.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Ruger/RugerMK2008.jpg~original)
:drool:
I always loved the Ruger Mark series. :tu:
Post by: ColoSwiss on January 12, 2015, 12:48:35 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 12, 2015, 04:08:21 AM
<----still waiting...very patiently I may add...for his firearms licence to grace his door. :whistle:
Something to help pass the time.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Ruger/RugerMK2008.jpg~original)
:drool:
I always loved the Ruger Mark series. :tu:
Accurate and reliable. Only down side is it is a bit of a curve to learn the take down procedures and it is a bit heavy.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on January 12, 2015, 04:56:26 AM
Still... very pretty pistol. :tu:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 12, 2015, 05:53:31 AM
The heavy thing can work to your advantage in some situations. While I love shooting these pistols, I hate the cleaning so much that I'd never own one. I also don't find them so much better than the Beretta Neos I have to justify it. And the takedown on the Neos is dead simple.
Still... very pretty pistol. :tu:
Yeah I hated it so much I almost sold it, but now can do it fast and easy.
If I was to buy another .22 pistol I would look hard at the new S&W.
Post by: captain spaulding on January 12, 2015, 06:05:06 AM
The heavy thing can work to your advantage in some situations. While I love shooting these pistols, I hate the cleaning so much that I'd never own one. I also don't find them so much better than the Beretta Neos I have to justify it. And the takedown on the Neos is dead simple.
Still... very pretty pistol. :tu:
Yeah I hated it so much I almost sold it, but now can do it fast and easy.
If I was to buy another .22 pistol I would look hard at the new S&W.
First time around its a pain. Now its not a problem at all.
Post by: Chako on January 12, 2015, 12:59:34 PM
:D
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 12, 2015, 03:39:59 PM
:surrender:
:D
Guess you don't know that in Afghanistan waving a white flag means "post more gun pics!"
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/spforumpost.jpg~original)
Your welcome.
Post by: Chako on January 13, 2015, 12:33:29 AM
Post by: Chako on January 24, 2015, 01:08:49 AM
I am still waiting for my Pal, I expressed some regret that I didn't have my licence as of yet. They told me I could buy on layaway. Once I get my Pal, call them and they get the paper work and I can come and pick it up. I did just that to save some money.
I now own a Browning .22 Buck Mark Hunter with 7 1/2" barrel. At the savings, I also added 2 extra magazines, a red dot target sight, and 1000 .22 LR rounds. Looks like .22 LR is starting to get scarce up here now as well. The owners told me it was starting to get harder to buy as much as they would like. That and the prices are starting to creep up.
I also purchased a Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm carry and range kit. The kit comes with a holster, 2 extra magazines, earplugs,
double magazine pouch, and a speed loader. I also bought 500 9mm rounds to go with the pistol.
Now I really can't wait to get my licence. When I do, I should be set for a while.
EDIT: Changed the Remington for Browning. :tu:
Post by: captain spaulding on January 24, 2015, 02:01:43 AM
Post by: Chako on January 24, 2015, 02:11:36 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 24, 2015, 02:41:43 AM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on January 24, 2015, 03:20:14 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on January 24, 2015, 03:50:19 AM
Hope the enjoyment isn't delayed too much longer. :cheers:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 24, 2015, 05:02:44 AM
I think I have about 1200 rounds of .22 right now. I haven't had TOO much problem finding it, although i remember when I would have choked at the thought of paying 8 cents a round.
I hope this is the case when I get home.
Post by: SAK Guy on January 24, 2015, 05:12:39 AM
I think I have about 1200 rounds of .22 right now. I haven't had TOO much problem finding it, although i remember when I would have choked at the thought of paying 8 cents a round.
I hope this is the case when I get home.
Me too bud.....
Post by: Chako on January 24, 2015, 10:41:41 AM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on January 24, 2015, 04:55:16 PM
Hubby and I both have 9mm for CCW, and I know all too well that feeling like I'm standing on the firing line, throwing fists full of money at the target.
Maybe shooting quarters from a slingshot would work better. :D
And then I hear about what some of the larger pistol calibers or rifle cartridges cost.
So... yeah. .22, then 9mm. I'll pass on anything else. And, I'm too lazy to reload.
Post by: matzesu on January 24, 2015, 08:06:08 PM
Why are some Ammo called 9mm and some .22 ??
Dotnt need to spend money for Ammo, which means more Money for Swiss Army Knifes :)
Post by: Lynn LeFey on January 24, 2015, 08:17:04 PM
That's the most simple explanation, but there are tons of exceptions. If there's a second number, for instance 5.56x45, then the second number is the length of the cartridge's casing.
Generally, that covers it... unless you get something like the 30-06, where the 30 is diameter, and the 06 is the year it was adopted. ::)
And, then it gets weird and... just...
:facepalm:
But this should give you a basic idea.
Post by: matzesu on January 24, 2015, 08:26:24 PM
Think i will bee at the Swiss Army Knifes,
Because a Fire Arm Only can Shoot Bullets and makes loud noises
It cant open my Bottles, or can be used to drive Screws..
Ore are there "Multiguns" out there ??
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 24, 2015, 09:49:26 PM
You mean .38 Short right? :pok:
Post by: ducttapetech on January 24, 2015, 09:51:25 PM
Nate
Post by: matzesu on January 24, 2015, 10:10:57 PM
The Cannon on this Tank is also something like a big gun..
You can also open some cans whit a Tank..
So a Tank is a multifunktions gun..
Do you have a Bottle Opener or a Corkscreew on your Gun??
But well, Germany isnt the USA or other Countrys which are gunfriendly, whe somethimes a bit diverent..
Fire Arms are normal for you, whe only abble to shoot Slingshots until whe dotnt have a License (whit which its also just alowed to shoot a shootingranges and the guns have to carry in a Lookable Bag to this Shootingrange..)..
When there is a Zombie Apocalypse in near Future, whe Germans are Doomed ...
Post by: Chako on January 24, 2015, 11:13:12 PM
If you look here,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
Canada is ranked 12th, Germany is 14th, and of course the US is 1st. Surprisingly, or not that surprisingly, the UK is ranked 88th.
The vast majority of firearms in Canada are of the hunting rifle or shotgun. Either way, Canadians need to pass a safety course and a hunting course to get your PAL (which allows purchase of long guns), and the hunting course gets you your hunting licence. The PAL allows you access to non-restricted firearms.
To get into pistols, which are mostly labeled restricted, you also need to take a restricted safety course. In Canada, you need an ATT (authorization to transport) from the chief firearms officer of the province if you need to transport any restricted firearm. If you buy a restricted firearm from a gun shop, then the gun shop will calle the RCMP and get an ATT which will allow the buyer to transport the restricted firearm from the shop to the home. In Canada, you can't hunt with a pistol. They are strictly target at a range things, or you can collect them I suppose. Therefore, once you belong to a range, the gun club will fill out the paperwork and get an ATT that will allow you to transport your restricted firearm back and forth from your home to the range. On top of that, restricted firearms need to be double locked while being stored or transported. That means a locked case, and a trigger/wire lock.
Because of this, there aren't many restricted shooters out there. You have to belong to a local gun club with range, and you need to call the Government to move said weapons back and forth to the range, or the shop. I am told it is a simple phone call and you get your ATT rather quick on most occasions.
There is another level of firearms, and those are the prohibited ones. Most of your ultra cool US guns fall into this category. Such things as full auto firearms, very short barreled guns and handguns, etc, may fall into this category. These are prohibited, in other words, the Government won't issue you a licence for these firearms...so forgetaboutit!
On top of all this, Canada has restrictions on the amount of rounds you can legally have in your firearm. Such as center-fire rifles are allowed 5 rounds, center-fire handguns are only allowed 10 rounds. Shotguns are only allowed 3 rounds if hunting migratory birds. The best part, no restrictions on rim fire rifles. Therefore, you are allowed to attach a 110 round circular magazine to a Ruger 10/22 and shoot up the range for a little extended shooting without re-loading.
Here is a link to what is mostly prohibited in Canada...along with a better definition of the 3 levels of firearms classifications.
http://www.gunownersresource.com/faq/what-guns-are-banned-in-canada/
Post by: kirk13 on January 24, 2015, 11:37:55 PM
Most ammo is given its name based on the diameter of the bullet. Some are in 'Caliber', which is a decimal fraction of an inch, and some are given in metric. So, a .22 is 0.22 inches. Whereas a 9mm is... well... 9mm.
That's the most simple explanation, but there are tons of exceptions. If there's a second number, for instance 5.56x45, then the second number is the length of the cartridge's casing.
Generally, that covers it... unless you get something like the 30-06, where the 30 is diameter, and the 06 is the year it was adopted. ::)
And, then it gets weird and... just...
:facepalm:
But this should give you a basic idea.
And a 45-90? >:D
Post by: ColoSwiss on January 24, 2015, 11:47:25 PM
Most ammo is given its name based on the diameter of the bullet. Some are in 'Caliber', which is a decimal fraction of an inch, and some are given in metric. So, a .22 is 0.22 inches. Whereas a 9mm is... well... 9mm.
That's the most simple explanation, but there are tons of exceptions. If there's a second number, for instance 5.56x45, then the second number is the length of the cartridge's casing.
Generally, that covers it... unless you get something like the 30-06, where the 30 is diameter, and the 06 is the year it was adopted. ::)
And, then it gets weird and... just...
:facepalm:
But this should give you a basic idea.
And a 45-90? >:D
The second figure is the original black powder charge in grains. 45-70-405 (a 19th century US military round), the third figure is the bullet weight. As for .38, most of them are actually .36 or more properly .357. Advertising hype has been going on for a long time. :D
The Europeans aren't any better. 7.62mm Tokarev, 7.63mm Mauser and 7.65mm Luger all fire the same .308 diameter bullet (different cartridge cases and/or loads).
Post by: captain spaulding on January 25, 2015, 12:30:49 AM
It is the same here in Canada, even though it always amazes me just how many firearms we do have per population.
If you look here,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
Canada is ranked 12th, Germany is 14th, and of course the US is 1st. Surprisingly, or not that surprisingly, the UK is ranked 88th.
The vast majority of firearms in Canada are of the hunting rifle or shotgun. Either way, Canadians need to pass a safety course and a hunting course to get your PAL (which allows purchase of long guns), and the hunting course gets you your hunting licence. The PAL allows you access to non-restricted firearms.
To get into pistols, which are mostly labeled restricted, you also need to take a restricted safety course. In Canada, you need an ATT (authorization to transport) from the chief firearms officer of the province if you need to transport any restricted firearm. If you buy a restricted firearm from a gun shop, then the gun shop will calle the RCMP and get an ATT which will allow the buyer to transport the restricted firearm from the shop to the home. In Canada, you can't hunt with a pistol. They are strictly target at a range things, or you can collect them I suppose. Therefore, once you belong to a range, the gun club will fill out the paperwork and get an ATT that will allow you to transport your restricted firearm back and forth from your home to the range. On top of that, restricted firearms need to be double locked while being stored or transported. That means a locked case, and a trigger/wire lock.
Because of this, there aren't many restricted shooters out there. You have to belong to a local gun club with range, and you need to call the Government to move said weapons back and forth to the range, or the shop. I am told it is a simple phone call and you get your ATT rather quick on most occasions.
There is another level of firearms, and those are the prohibited ones. Most of your ultra cool US guns fall into this category. Such things as full auto firearms, very short barreled guns and handguns, etc, may fall into this category. These are prohibited, in other words, the Government won't issue you a licence for these firearms...so forgetaboutit!
On top of all this, Canada has restrictions on the amount of rounds you can legally have in your firearm. Such as center-fire rifles are allowed 5 rounds, center-fire handguns are only allowed 10 rounds. Shotguns are only allowed 3 rounds if hunting migratory birds. The best part, no restrictions on rim fire rifles. Therefore, you are allowed to attach a 110 round circular magazine to a Ruger 10/22 and shoot up the range for a little extended shooting without re-loading.
Here is a link to what is mostly prohibited in Canada...along with a better definition of the 3 levels of firearms classifications.
http://www.gunownersresource.com/faq/what-guns-are-banned-in-canada/
Just curious. Are you limited in the amount of ammunition one can own?
Post by: Chako on January 25, 2015, 05:09:59 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on January 25, 2015, 06:19:30 AM
Post by: Chako on January 25, 2015, 07:08:25 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 25, 2015, 07:21:37 AM
Most ammo is given its name based on the diameter of the bullet. Some are in 'Caliber', which is a decimal fraction of an inch, and some are given in metric. So, a .22 is 0.22 inches. Whereas a 9mm is... well... 9mm.
That's the most simple explanation, but there are tons of exceptions. If there's a second number, for instance 5.56x45, then the second number is the length of the cartridge's casing.
Generally, that covers it... unless you get something like the 30-06, where the 30 is diameter, and the 06 is the year it was adopted. ::)
And, then it gets weird and... just...
:facepalm:
But this should give you a basic idea.
And a 45-90? >:D
The second figure is the original black powder charge in grains. 45-70-405 (a 19th century US military round), the third figure is the bullet weight. As for .38, most of them are actually .36 or more properly .357. Advertising hype has been going on for a long time. :D
The Europeans aren't any better. 7.62mm Tokarev, 7.63mm Mauser and 7.65mm Luger all fire the same .308 diameter bullet (different cartridge cases and/or loads).
Took me a while to wrap my head around the fact .38 Special and .357 Magnum were the same, sort of and that .38 could be shot from a .357 but .357 could not be shot from a .38. Then of course .38 Super could be shot from neither.
Of course this is not the case with .22 LR and .22 magnum which are in no way interchangeable. :think:
Post by: ColoSwiss on January 25, 2015, 08:54:34 AM
A lot of the old Spanish auto pistols were marked '9mm/.38', indicating they were chambered for 9mm Largo (Bergmann-Bayard) and would also work with .38 Automatic (slightly shorter but semi-rimmed). Note that 9mm Largo is NOT the same as 9mm Luger.
The number of .38 and 9mm cartridges is extensive and confusing.
Post by: tosh on January 25, 2015, 09:29:43 AM
Your statistics.......UK ranked 88th!!
That made me smile...... Pretty certain the vast majority of firearms in this country are owned by the criminals. Somewhat ironic I think :think:
But not nearly as ironic that I could click the amazon prime and take delivery of high powered slingshot plus as many 9mm ball bearings as I wish.
That to me is just plain daft.
Just out of curiosity does anyone know what the lb/ft of a 9mm steel ball bearing from a high strength slingshot is?
Saw clips on youtube where a guy shoots 1" steel ball at plywood (1" thick ??) just blew holes in it......devastating and silent and worse highly consealable. To me I find that more shocking than the firearms ban here.
At least the firearms were owned by responsible owners 99.9% of the time. It would be interesting to know what was actually achieved in banning firearms here in the UK
........apart from giving criminals an advantage.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 25, 2015, 10:01:35 AM
Congratulations Dan :tu:
Your statistics.......UK ranked 88th!!
That made me smile...... Pretty certain the vast majority of firearms in this country are owned by the criminals. Somewhat ironic I think :think:
But not nearly as ironic that I could click the amazon prime and take delivery of high powered slingshot plus as many 9mm ball bearings as I wish.
That to me is just plain daft.
Just out of curiosity does anyone know what the lb/ft of a 9mm steel ball bearing from a high strength slingshot is?
Saw clips on youtube where a guy shoots 1" steel ball at plywood (1" thick ??) just blew holes in it......devastating and silent and worse highly consealable. To me I find that more shocking than the firearms ban here.
At least the firearms were owned by responsible owners 99.9% of the time. It would be interesting to know what was actually achieved in banning firearms here in the UK
........apart from giving criminals an advantage.
Nope that's it.
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on January 25, 2015, 10:11:18 AM
Congratulations Dan :tu:The highest works out at 24 ft lbs, so twice that of an air rifle :)
Your statistics.......UK ranked 88th!!
That made me smile...... Pretty certain the vast majority of firearms in this country are owned by the criminals. Somewhat ironic I think :think:
But not nearly as ironic that I could click the amazon prime and take delivery of high powered slingshot plus as many 9mm ball bearings as I wish.
That to me is just plain daft.
Just out of curiosity does anyone know what the lb/ft of a 9mm steel ball bearing from a high strength slingshot is?
Saw clips on youtube where a guy shoots 1" steel ball at plywood (1" thick ??) just blew holes in it......devastating and silent and worse highly consealable. To me I find that more shocking than the firearms ban here.
At least the firearms were owned by responsible owners 99.9% of the time. It would be interesting to know what was actually achieved in banning firearms here in the UK
........apart from giving criminals an advantage.
Post by: tosh on January 25, 2015, 03:08:05 PM
Congratulations Dan :tu:The highest works out at 24 ft lbs, so twice that of an air rifle :)
Your statistics.......UK ranked 88th!!
That made me smile...... Pretty certain the vast majority of firearms in this country are owned by the criminals. Somewhat ironic I think :think:
But not nearly as ironic that I could click the amazon prime and take delivery of high powered slingshot plus as many 9mm ball bearings as I wish.
That to me is just plain daft.
Just out of curiosity does anyone know what the lb/ft of a 9mm steel ball bearing from a high strength slingshot is?
Saw clips on youtube where a guy shoots 1" steel ball at plywood (1" thick ??) just blew holes in it......devastating and silent and worse highly consealable. To me I find that more shocking than the firearms ban here.
At least the firearms were owned by responsible owners 99.9% of the time. It would be interesting to know what was actually achieved in banning firearms here in the UK
........apart from giving criminals an advantage.
Cheers Mike :tu:
Can you put that into context.
The hollow thin airgun pellet weighs nothing in comparison to a solid steel 9mm ball bearing.
So how does 12lb/ft really equate to 24lb/ft when one takes the huge difference in mass?
Hope that makes sense :think:
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on January 25, 2015, 03:15:02 PM
Having said that, I don't shoot at those higher powers as its bloody hard work, as your talking 2-3 times the bandsets! They are peanuts to run in comparison to an air rifle though, so well worth it in my opinion :)
Post by: Chako on January 25, 2015, 03:15:47 PM
Post by: Chako on January 25, 2015, 10:25:14 PM
Now that I have purchased my handguns and am waiting for my gun licence to grace my door, I have been thinking about some safety aspects. I wanted a separate ammunition storage. I previously bought a cheap little 10 gun storage cabinet made by Stack-on for a sale price of 99 dollars. It is nothing fancy. The door is a bit small, you get cheap foam for the barrel rests, and there is no provision for a rifle with scope...which I quickly found out when I decided to store my Beeman .22 classic with scope in it. Not only is there no provision for a scope, but the barrel fits under the top shelf lip with a bit of struggle. All things I was ok with for the price.
However, I decided that I had better find something similar for the ammunition. I can store some ammo in the gun cabinet's top shelf, but I would rather keep the ammo separate. I decided to go back the TSC store because I recalled they had a smaller single shelf Stack-on cabinet that would be perfect for ammunition. They still had one, but they wanted 139 dollars for it. It was resting on a larger Stack-on cabinet. This one would hold 14 guns, is taller, wider, and appears to have better barrel rests. Better yet, there are a couple that stick out more to support rifles with scopes mounted. They wanted 149 dollars for it.
I went for the 10 dollar more better gun cabinet with the idea of turning my 10 gun cabinet into an ammo storage solution. All I would need are a few shelves, and i should have enough storage space for a lot of ammunition, etc.
I was quite happy because I am getting another steal of a deal...a better gun cabinet for 10 dollars more than the ammo locker I originally wanted. The employee who went back to fetch me one told me he got the wrong one when we met again at the front of the store. He checked in the computer system and found that this one was in the system for 20 dollars less than the other gun cabinet, is the same as the other but in black instead of green, and also came with a separate single handgun safe as a bonus. It was their last one from a promo they ran around Christmas time.
So I got the same better gun cabinet for 20 dollars less with a bonus lockable pistol safe. :D
My original thought was to be able to have all 3 against the far wall, but that won't fit, My walk in close is only 4' 1" wide X 5' 4" long. Guess this means I am going to have to remove some shelving, and move everything around. This should be good as I have an idea on how to make this space really work for me. Yeah, I am going to be quite happy with what I am going to do with this space.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 26, 2015, 07:13:17 AM
Post by: Chako on January 26, 2015, 12:41:40 PM
Here is the new gun cabinet. The old one could only hold guns up to 52". The extra height is much appreciated. It also comes with a wider door, which is always a good thing.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7528small_zps33c4c362.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7528small_zps33c4c362.jpg.html)
Here is my small walk in closet/storage space half cleaned. The shelving unit on the left was full of linens etc. There is the old 10 gun cabinet with various air pistols stored on the top, along with a 4 handgun storage rack which I will have to install in the new cabinet someday soon. I was getting ready for the shooting sports by buying various needed things and stowing them on top of the safe. The above shelving unit was just junk stowage. That needed to be cleaned out fast, as I am hoping to put my linens up there.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7529small_zpsbb2ffcae.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7529small_zpsbb2ffcae.jpg.html)
Here is an overview of the mess...but after some cleaning of the left shelving unit. :ahhh
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7531small_zpsf218d468.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7531small_zpsf218d468.jpg.html)
And here is the larger gun cabinet somewhat installed next to the safe, the shelving unit was removed for added space for the old gun cabinet which will be turned into the new ammo locker. Soon after this photo, I realized I had to add the gun barrel saddles inside the new cabinet. They are made of hard plastic and are screwed in as opposed to the old system of tacky foam...which you can see a piece of it in the old cabinet as the door is open in this photo. Better yet, you are given 5 risers that will accommodate rifles with scopes. When this photo was taken, I hadn't stowed away my air-gun ammunition yet.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7532small_zpsfdeea07c.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7532small_zpsfdeea07c.jpg.html)
So the big idea now is to put a locking door on this space. That should make it more secure. I even have enough room for a small TV tray style fold away desk which could work as a small dedicated firearms work space for cleaning etc.
The freebie is a bit small for a handgun safe. It is more a place to lock keys, wallets, other small objects. It is a locking metal clam shell container with a hole on the side where you can insert the included metal cable so that you can secure it to anything that the metal wire can be wrapped around. The wire is looped at each end.
I can't post photos of the two pistols I bought as they are safely ensconced at the local gun shop until I can acquire them legally with the acquisition of a licence...but I can post videos about them.
Browning BuckMark Hunter.
Browning Buckmark hunter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5ARu_kTuV0#ws)
Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm Range and Carry Kit.
Smith and Wesson M&P 9 mm range kit review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xu9sTM3p1c#ws)
Post by: tosh on January 26, 2015, 08:05:36 PM
I'm predicting that Gun cabinet being full by summer and Dan starting on his 3rd before next New Year!! :rofl: :pok: :pok:
Post by: Lynn LeFey on January 26, 2015, 08:13:41 PM
I bet Chako thought collecting MTs was expensive!
"Oooohh.... A broomhandle Mauser with original shoulder stock!" :rofl:
Post by: Chako on January 26, 2015, 09:25:48 PM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on January 26, 2015, 09:58:33 PM
Has no intentions...
Uh-huh. :D
Post by: ducttapetech on January 26, 2015, 10:16:06 PM
I have heard this before too.Has no intentions...
Uh-huh. :D
Nate
Post by: Chako on January 26, 2015, 11:00:59 PM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on January 26, 2015, 11:20:41 PM
Post by: Chako on January 27, 2015, 12:44:53 AM
Post by: Smashie on January 27, 2015, 01:17:05 AM
Yes, either that or the SR-22.
SR-22 is 6.5lbs, .22 AR variants average 5.9 (ish) lbs.
Plenty of options for the Ruger other than the SR-22, tactical solutions for instance.
Oh and congrats by the way Dan :)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 27, 2015, 02:59:55 AM
I have heard this before too.Has no intentions...
Uh-huh. :D
Nate
Riiigght, great story.
The best selling (for a good reason, IMO) .22 long rifle is the Ruger 10/22. They are wicked accurate, reliable, and have a ton of aftermarket goodies, to do about any kind of build you want, from plinking to competition to 'tacticool'. And they are quite reasonably priced.
This.
Post by: Chako on January 27, 2015, 10:47:13 PM
I just pulled the trigger on a nice Ruger 10/22 with tactical stock, for-grip, scope, and 110 round rotary magazine.
This is the one I bought. I liked the feel of it, and you get 2 extra 10 round magazines in the stock as a bonus.
http://www.ruger.com/products/1022DE/specSheets/11155.html
Now I should be set for a while. :tu:
Post by: ducttapetech on January 27, 2015, 10:57:49 PM
Nate
Post by: captain spaulding on January 27, 2015, 11:15:04 PM
Done.
I just pulled the trigger on a nice Ruger 10/22 with tactical stock, for-grip, scope, and 110 round rotary magazine.
This is the one I bought. I liked the feel of it, and you get 2 extra 10 round magazines in the stock as a bonus.
http://www.ruger.com/products/1022DE/specSheets/11155.html
Now I should be set for a while. :tu:
Awesome. I would HIGHLY recommend upgrading the trigger. They make drop in trigger assembly's. All you do is punch out the two pins. Drop the old trigger housing. Put the new one in, and punch the pins back in. A huge plus with the upgraded triggers is most of them come with a auto bolt release. Without it is a pain. The trigger and the lack of a auto bolt release are my only complaints about the 10/22. With a upgraded trigger your accuracy will increase substantially. Your stock looks like it has a sling mount on the fore-end. You can easily attach a bi-pod to that if you want one. :tu:
Here is a great company for aftermarket triggers. Excellent work and much less expensive than other aftermarket trigger kits.
http://www.hornetproducts.com/
Post by: captain spaulding on January 27, 2015, 11:19:00 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 28, 2015, 02:46:58 AM
Now I should be set for a while. :tu:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Wait, are you being serious?
I suppose if you want to do a little bit of plinking and are not serious about little bug hole accuracy then sure you are good to go.
Now lets say for the sake of argument you are not.
Like Cappy said a drop in or Kidd $105 trigger kit, Green Mountain barrel or just have a guy I know do up your barrel and bolt. Top it off with a Titan stock and no varmint critter or target will be safe.
Did you decide on a optic or will you be sticking with irons?
Post by: Chako on January 28, 2015, 04:14:43 AM
Here is a link to it.
http://www.bushnell.com/tactical/rifle-scopes/ar-optics/1-4x-24mm
I believe I will have to shoot it plenty before I can make the assumption that I may need to upgrade the trigger.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on January 28, 2015, 04:41:35 AM
Post by: Higgins617 on January 28, 2015, 04:43:22 AM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on January 28, 2015, 04:46:38 AM
Plus, for the same cost, I could get a Ruger 10/22... which i don't have one of yet. Although I have friends who have them, and have shot them extensively, I don't actually OWN one.
Post by: Higgins617 on January 28, 2015, 04:47:55 AM
I picked up an AR7 a couple times in several gun shops. I think it's super neat, but the entire action and barrel are offset to one side making them a bit uncomfortable to hold left handed. At least for someone with medium hands.
Plus, for the same cost, I could get a Ruger 10/22... which i don't have one of yet. Although I have friends who have them, and have shot them extensively, I don't actually OWN one.
I'm lefty also, so I feel your pain. I've always thought the whole concept was pretty damn cool though!
Post by: Lynn LeFey on January 28, 2015, 04:52:27 AM
Post by: Higgins617 on January 28, 2015, 04:54:24 AM
Oh yeah, I love it. And every time i see 'From Russia With Love' I keep thinking I need one. :D
In the first season of Ultimate Survival Alaska, the old guy Willie carried a M6 with him on the trek for hunting and I've been interested ever since.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on January 28, 2015, 05:04:19 AM
(http://www.slickguns.com/sites/default/files/l_littlebadger_0_0.jpg)
Post by: Higgins617 on January 28, 2015, 05:10:49 AM
The new(ish) Chiappa Little Badger reminds me of the M6 Scout a bit. Nice light breakdown .22.
(http://www.slickguns.com/sites/default/files/l_littlebadger_0_0.jpg)
You win!
Post by: Lynn LeFey on January 28, 2015, 05:20:04 AM
And if you remove the bottom of the 4 rails, it closes down even smaller.
Although... I still like the AR7. And the Little Badger doesn't give you the .410 under of the M6 Scout.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 28, 2015, 05:54:46 AM
I never had a problem with stock trigger and stock barrel. I'd say shoot it stock first, and if you want to later, do the upgrades.
Great advice. Always for any weapon it is a great idea to shoot it before you start messing with it.
Except for self defense weapons I never actually do this though. :facepalm:
Oh forgot about the optics. I also got a Bushnell 1-4X 24, 30mm BDC for it.
Here is a link to it.
http://www.bushnell.com/tactical/rifle-scopes/ar-optics/1-4x-24mm
I believe I will have to shoot it plenty before I can make the assumption that I may need to upgrade the trigger.
I must have missed it if you said already but what is this being used for? targets, plinking or hunting?
It may seem strange for something that is mostly shot inside 100 yards but more mag is something I am a big fan of for these .22 rifles.
Post by: Chako on January 28, 2015, 01:59:30 PM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on January 28, 2015, 06:30:36 PM
Is anyone else interested in the Kel Tek Sub 2000? It's a 9mm carbine, that folds in half. It comes in several models, using magazines that fit other popular 9mm (and 40 cal) pistol lines like Glock or S&W. They just released the Gen 2 version at SHOT, and the new version has fixed a lot of the minor problems that made me not want one. Otherwise, I think it's AWESOME. I'm not a huge fan of a lot of Kel Tek's offerings, but the Sub 2000 is very nice, and the only issues I've heard of seem to have been addressed in the Gen 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSvOdmlnR1E&spfreload=10
Post by: pfrsantos on January 28, 2015, 07:05:17 PM
(http://www.prepper-resources.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Henry-AR7-US-Survival-Rifle.jpg)
I think it's illegal to have one here.
:facepalm:
Post by: Lynn LeFey on January 28, 2015, 07:20:32 PM
Post by: pfrsantos on January 28, 2015, 07:43:06 PM
That's the AR7 we've been discussing above.
Oops... I just knew it by the name Henry Rifle. Saw a video of it, looked OK, considering all the assembly needed. A nice thing to have for TEOTWAWKY.
:D :D
Post by: Higgins617 on January 28, 2015, 08:05:03 PM
That's the AR7 we've been discussing above.
Oops... I just knew it by the name Henry Rifle. Saw a video of it, looked OK, considering all the assembly needed. A nice thing to have for TEOTWAWKY.
:D :D
Yup, I believe they were attached to pilot's seats so that if they ejected behind enemy lines they would have some semblance of hope? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Post by: Mr. Whippy on January 28, 2015, 08:20:04 PM
Post by: daverobson on January 28, 2015, 09:14:51 PM
(http://i58.tinypic.com/rauvec.jpg)
(http://i58.tinypic.com/2epkqwo.jpg)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/24yu8nm.jpg)
Produced by ArmaLite in Costa Mesa, California, but under a special contract. The Israeli Air Force purchased a number of AR-7s to use as pilot-survival rifles, stowed in the seat-pan survival kits of many combat aircraft, most notably Israel’s F-4 Phantoms
The Israelis performed a series of modifications on these already innovative rifles. They shortened the barrel and mounted a front sight based on the Kar98k Mauser (Israel had plenty of these on hand). They threw the entire ArmaLite stock away, and fabricated a small aluminum chassis that bolted into place using the original takedown bolt’s threaded hole. To this small chassis, they fit a detachable pistol grip, sourced from an FN/FAL rifle. Also facilitated by the small chassis is the telescoping wire buttstock, made from bent-and-welded 0.250-inch steel rod. In its collapsed position, the stock is four inches long. Extended and locked open, it offers a 14.5-inch length of pull.
Post by: SAK Guy on January 28, 2015, 09:37:39 PM
Post by: Chako on January 28, 2015, 10:54:29 PM
:pok:
:pok:
Post by: ColoSwiss on January 28, 2015, 11:25:43 PM
The Air Force looked briefly at the AR-7 and a bolt action version chambered for .22 Hornet, but decided the M6 filled the requirement, and didn't adopt the either of the later weapons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M6_Aircrew_Survival_Weapon
Post by: Higgins617 on January 28, 2015, 11:27:29 PM
The U S Air Force issued the M6 Aircrew Survival Weapon for many decades. It was a .22 Hornet over .410 shotgun. The AF version had a 14" barrel, too short for legal civilian use. Later commercial versions had 18" barrels, and offered several different caliber combinations.
The Air Force looked briefly at the AR-7 and a bolt action version chambered for .22 Hornet, but decided the M6 filled the requirement, and didn't adopt the either of the later weapons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M6_Aircrew_Survival_Weapon
I really like the over-under set up as a survival gun. Wasn't the thought more for hunting for sustenance to be able to survive until you get found?
Post by: ColoSwiss on January 28, 2015, 11:35:52 PM
The U S Air Force issued the M6 Aircrew Survival Weapon for many decades. It was a .22 Hornet over .410 shotgun. The AF version had a 14" barrel, too short for legal civilian use. Later commercial versions had 18" barrels, and offered several different caliber combinations.
The Air Force looked briefly at the AR-7 and a bolt action version chambered for .22 Hornet, but decided the M6 filled the requirement, and didn't adopt the either of the later weapons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M6_Aircrew_Survival_Weapon
I really like the over-under set up as a survival gun. Wasn't the thought more for hunting for sustenance to be able to survive until you get found?
The M6 was primarily for taking small game. At one time the Air Force was looking into a survival weapon that could double as a self defense weapon. The project eventually morphed into the original Bushmaster pistol, but I don't believe the AF ever bought any.
Post by: ColoSwiss on January 28, 2015, 11:50:27 PM
A Sauer Drilling (three-barrel job) featuring two 12 gauge barrels over a 9.3x74R rifle, made to pre-war commercial standards. Some of these were issued to aircrews in North Africa.
If you could find one today, expect to pay a VERY large amount of money.
http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/de/sauer-m30-luftwaffe-e.html
Post by: Higgins617 on January 29, 2015, 12:00:52 AM
If you like over-unders as a survival option, check out the Luftwaffe WWII survival gun.
A Sauer Drilling (three-barrel job) featuring two 12 gauge barrels over a 9.3x74R rifle, made to pre-war commercial standards. Some of these were issued to aircrews in North Africa.
If you could find one today, expect to pay a VERY large amount of money.
http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/de/sauer-m30-luftwaffe-e.html
I think that influenced our desire to have one for our pilots as well, I think we did better at the portability thing!
Post by: dks on January 29, 2015, 09:16:00 AM
This allows you to have various combinations, for example using smaller shot, in larger numbers, with a lower powered load, and an open choke so as to kill small game that is close to you that moves fast making aim difficult etc. without destroying it or a larger (smaller in number) shot with a more powerful load and tight choke to kill game at a larger distance or as a follow up shot to game you missed with your first shot (the shame...) and which is now further away from you.
Choke selection is possible with a single barrel shotgun but you only have the choice of 1 choke at a time.
Now, some guns have single trigger, meaning that you select the order in which you want the barrels to fire, thus the shot/choke combination you want 1st, before you take the shot (e.g. on an O/U you decide that the 1st pull fires the top one, 2nd pull the bottom one).
Some guns have double triggers so you can fire the barrels in any order you decide, just before you take the shot (no need for adjustments). These also allow you to fire both barrels simultaneously, mainly for fun. :D
Now, by adding the the 3rd barrel, a standard rifled barrel, you have the ability to utilise the two smooth barrels properly, by having shot in them, instead of a slug (single "bullet") and you have a bullet in the rifled barrel for bigger game...
Lets say you are hunting grouse and a bear/tiger/angry husband appears 20 metres away from you.
Firing shot with a shotgun at that distance will just make the beast angry. Waiting for it to come closer to you so that you can take an effective shot may be risky. Thus, you use the rifled barrel to take a good, aimed shot, disposing off the beast.
Post by: Chako on January 30, 2015, 01:23:06 PM
So I think I had better step back. I want to get into practicing and possibly competition...but I will have to be very very patient.
I looked into local gun clubs and there is another one locally that I found out about, called the Practical Shooters of Algoma. they tend to do a lot of competitions. They are based in an old gravel pit with no indoor facilities, but do have a club house I am told. Membership is a lot cheaper than the Algoma Rod and Gun club which is 300 a year. The Practical shooters of Algoma is 500 for a 3 year membership.
I would love to get their black badge and enter in some competitions...however, I do need to get my licence and have plenty of practice. I tend to be a somewhat impatient sort...and waiting this long since November is killing me.
Anyways, this is what I eventually want to get into...
https://www.ipsc-ont.org/bbcourse.htm
Post by: captain spaulding on January 30, 2015, 11:34:17 PM
I called the RCMP on my licence application. It was confirmed that they had it, and it was in the process. When I asked how long might she think it would take...she replied to phone back late February...and her best guess was another 2 months. :facepalm:
So I think I had better step back. I want to get into practicing and possibly competition...but I will have to be very very patient.
I looked into local gun clubs and there is another one locally that I found out about, called the Practical Shooters of Algoma. they tend to do a lot of competitions. They are based in an old gravel pit with no indoor facilities, but do have a club house I am told. Membership is a lot cheaper than the Algoma Rod and Gun club which is 300 a year. The Practical shooters of Algoma is 500 for a 3 year membership.
I would love to get their black badge and enter in some competitions...however, I do need to get my licence and have plenty of practice. I tend to be a somewhat impatient sort...and waiting this long since November is killing me.
Anyways, this is what I eventually want to get into...
https://www.ipsc-ont.org/bbcourse.htm
Be patient buddy. It will all be worth it soon enough. :tu:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 31, 2015, 05:41:38 AM
I called the RCMP on my licence application. It was confirmed that they had it, and it was in the process. When I asked how long might she think it would take...she replied to phone back late February...and her best guess was another 2 months. :facepalm:
So I think I had better step back. I want to get into practicing and possibly competition...but I will have to be very very patient.
I looked into local gun clubs and there is another one locally that I found out about, called the Practical Shooters of Algoma. they tend to do a lot of competitions. They are based in an old gravel pit with no indoor facilities, but do have a club house I am told. Membership is a lot cheaper than the Algoma Rod and Gun club which is 300 a year. The Practical shooters of Algoma is 500 for a 3 year membership.
I would love to get their black badge and enter in some competitions...however, I do need to get my licence and have plenty of practice. I tend to be a somewhat impatient sort...and waiting this long since November is killing me.
Anyways, this is what I eventually want to get into...
https://www.ipsc-ont.org/bbcourse.htm
Waiting is not my thing either.
Been doing Ipsc, Idpa and Three gun for a number of years, you will love it.
Post by: Chako on January 31, 2015, 10:17:42 PM
I also installed a keypad lock on the main door of the walk in closet. :tu:
Post by: Nenavist on February 01, 2015, 03:57:28 AM
I hope you like that 10/22. I'm betting you will.
Is anyone else interested in the Kel Tek Sub 2000? It's a 9mm carbine, that folds in half. It comes in several models, using magazines that fit other popular 9mm (and 40 cal) pistol lines like Glock or S&W. They just released the Gen 2 version at SHOT, and the new version has fixed a lot of the minor problems that made me not want one. Otherwise, I think it's AWESOME. I'm not a huge fan of a lot of Kel Tek's offerings, but the Sub 2000 is very nice, and the only issues I've heard of seem to have been addressed in the Gen 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSvOdmlnR1E&spfreload=10
Thanks... Now I have a new Truck gun to get. I have wanted one for a few years now. Glad I waited. I own Glock .40's and now I need to get the V2.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 01, 2015, 07:12:01 AM
Visited the one range...now I know which one I am going to join when the time comes.
I also installed a keypad lock on the main door of the walk in closet. :tu:
Forgot to mention if you really want to get good at the shooting games dryfire is your friend.
Orders of magnitude more important then shooting live ammo. You can do it anywhere and does not cost you anything but time. Repetition is key.
Post by: Chako on February 01, 2015, 02:22:34 PM
Well here are a few more updates to my new gun room.
I found some shelving that fit inside the new ammo locker. This will give me 3 shelves of ammo storage.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7565small_zps66b05948.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7565small_zps66b05948.jpg.html)
And here is a better look into the newer 14 gun cabinet showing the gun scope extensions on the barrel rests.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7568small_zpsbb188c60.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7568small_zpsbb188c60.jpg.html)
And last, a look at the newly installed key pad lock on the door.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7583small_zpse5f93189.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7583small_zpse5f93189.jpg.html)
Post by: Chako on February 01, 2015, 02:30:46 PM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7585small_zps022f43c3.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7585small_zps022f43c3.jpg.html)
:think:
Post by: ducttapetech on February 01, 2015, 02:41:53 PM
Nate
Post by: Chako on February 01, 2015, 04:38:43 PM
Post by: Chako on February 07, 2015, 12:30:55 AM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on February 07, 2015, 12:34:32 AM
Post by: ducttapetech on February 07, 2015, 12:34:40 AM
Nate
Post by: NKlamerus on February 07, 2015, 12:46:29 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on February 07, 2015, 01:03:24 AM
Just now pondering about shotguns. Anyone have any opinions on the Remington 870?
Very versatile, very reliable....the iconic American pump gun! Can't go wrong with one! I used various models for hunting/home & store defense for 25+ years. My fav, an old silver trigger Wingmaster with a 20" Imp barrel and open sights was lost in the big fire. I could shoot an open sight barrel at birds better than a bead...a lifetime of shooting rifles I guess.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 07, 2015, 03:01:01 AM
Just now pondering about shotguns. Anyone have any opinions on the Remington 870?
What are you going to be using it for Chako?
I have a Remmy 870 that was my home defense gun for many years and a unfired brand new one that was going to be a back up until I discovered the Stoeger M3000.
Post by: captain spaulding on February 07, 2015, 03:07:11 AM
Post by: Chako on February 07, 2015, 06:02:19 AM
Post by: dks on February 07, 2015, 06:15:49 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on February 07, 2015, 06:40:07 AM
Thinking down the road for IPSC competition.
What kind of shotgun shooting would you be doing in a IPSC competition?
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 07, 2015, 09:09:02 AM
Thinking down the road for IPSC competition.
What kind of shotgun shooting would you be doing in a IPSC competition?
I am guessing he is talking about Three Gun?
If that is the case some form of autoloader is the way to go. Stoger M3000 or if you want to spend a nice Benelli.
Post by: Chako on February 07, 2015, 12:18:00 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on February 07, 2015, 12:42:52 PM
Nate
Post by: captain spaulding on February 07, 2015, 04:26:05 PM
I take it an auto would be better than a pump for competition? I am maybe looking into competitions down the road, and do want to keep my options open without having to buy more gear.
I would say you should look into autos if you are going to be using it for that kind of competition shooting.
Post by: SAK Guy on February 07, 2015, 05:19:16 PM
I take it an auto would be better than a pump for competition? I am maybe looking into competitions down the road, and do want to keep my options open without having to buy more gear.
I would say you should look into autos if you are going to be using it for that kind of competition shooting.
+1
Post by: Chako on February 08, 2015, 08:52:09 PM
Still looking around. Whatever I eventually end up with, will decidedly be on the cheap end of the spectrum. No way could I justify spending $2000.00 Plus on a shotgun.
Post by: SAK Guy on February 09, 2015, 01:47:26 AM
Pumps seem to be very popular as well.
Still looking around. Whatever I eventually end up with, will decidedly be on the cheap end of the spectrum. No way could I justify spending $2000.00 Plus on a shotgun.
On the cheaper end, look at the Mossberg 500 series pumps....good guns. I still have mine from the 70's. Not super heavy duty like a 870 but still a good pump. The 590's are the milspec heavy duty Mossbergs (or they were..).
Post by: ducttapetech on February 09, 2015, 01:50:38 AM
I was just getting ready to post this.
Good suggestion Sakguy.
Nate
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 09, 2015, 03:13:15 AM
That said if you think you may ever get serious about three gun or want an auto that is simply better just get a Stoeger M3000. The MSRP on these are like $700 and can be found for $550 all day long. Toss on a mag extension and you are ready to roll. These gun just run well and have a excellent 5 year warranty although I have never nor have I seen anyone ever need it.
Anyhow I will stop harassing you about this now. Just wish I would have known about this when I started in three gun. Would have saved some money and hassle messing with a pump gun.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 09, 2015, 03:17:05 AM
Forgot to add a link.
http://www.ammoland.com/2015/02/stoeger-industries-introduces-3-gun-ready-m3k/
The stuff they say about it actually being developed by shooters is very true. Tons of us provided feedback to JT, Mr. Kelley and Stoeger while this was being tested.
Ok now I am done for real. :whistle:
Post by: SAK Guy on February 09, 2015, 04:42:41 AM
+1
I was just getting ready to post this.
Good suggestion Sakguy.
Nate
Thanks Nate! :salute:
Post by: captain spaulding on February 09, 2015, 04:44:14 AM
Pumps seem to be very popular as well.
Still looking around. Whatever I eventually end up with, will decidedly be on the cheap end of the spectrum. No way could I justify spending $2000.00 Plus on a shotgun.
On the cheaper end, look at the Mossberg 500 series pumps....good guns. I still have mine from the 70's. Not super heavy duty like a 870 but still a good pump. The 590's are the milspec heavy duty Mossbergs (or they were..).
Some people like the 500's over the 870 for the placement of the safety and release as well.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 09, 2015, 05:29:46 AM
Pumps seem to be very popular as well.
Still looking around. Whatever I eventually end up with, will decidedly be on the cheap end of the spectrum. No way could I justify spending $2000.00 Plus on a shotgun.
On the cheaper end, look at the Mossberg 500 series pumps....good guns. I still have mine from the 70's. Not super heavy duty like a 870 but still a good pump. The 590's are the milspec heavy duty Mossbergs (or they were..).
Some people like the 500's over the 870 for the placement of the safety and release as well.
Yes the safety for sure, much better placement then the Remmy.
Not for me as much though because of many years of using the Remington safety location.
Post by: captain spaulding on February 09, 2015, 05:58:15 AM
Pumps seem to be very popular as well.
Still looking around. Whatever I eventually end up with, will decidedly be on the cheap end of the spectrum. No way could I justify spending $2000.00 Plus on a shotgun.
On the cheaper end, look at the Mossberg 500 series pumps....good guns. I still have mine from the 70's. Not super heavy duty like a 870 but still a good pump. The 590's are the milspec heavy duty Mossbergs (or they were..).
Some people like the 500's over the 870 for the placement of the safety and release as well.
Yes the safety for sure, much better placement then the Remmy.
Not for me as much though because of many years of using the Remington safety location.
Same. I'm used to it now and honestly (not knocking the Mossberg), but I like the 870 much more.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 09, 2015, 07:28:41 AM
Pumps seem to be very popular as well.
Still looking around. Whatever I eventually end up with, will decidedly be on the cheap end of the spectrum. No way could I justify spending $2000.00 Plus on a shotgun.
On the cheaper end, look at the Mossberg 500 series pumps....good guns. I still have mine from the 70's. Not super heavy duty like a 870 but still a good pump. The 590's are the milspec heavy duty Mossbergs (or they were..).
Some people like the 500's over the 870 for the placement of the safety and release as well.
Yes the safety for sure, much better placement then the Remmy.
Not for me as much though because of many years of using the Remington safety location.
Same. I'm used to it now and honestly (not knocking the Mossberg), but I like the 870 much more.
Yep.
Love the 870. Nothing in a pump shotgun that is even close imo.
Post by: Chako on February 09, 2015, 01:07:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skxQjdA61H0
Waiting till sometime in March or heaven forbid, April...is killing me!
Post by: Chako on February 09, 2015, 01:29:48 PM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7610small_zpsfa9fff48.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7610small_zpsfa9fff48.jpg.html)
The local gun shop didn't have anything similar for .22 LR...which I understand is a no-no for dry firing as you can damage the pin on rim fired handguns and rifles.
I also bought and installed some additional storage made for the gun cabinet.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7614small_zps318cbada.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7614small_zps318cbada.jpg.html)
A while back, I bought the best safety hearing muff set I could find locally. However, after talking to a few ISPC shooters, I found myself buying one with a mic set built in. It is designed to muff out loud noises past a certain decibel level, but allow crystal clear hearing for instructions on the competition course.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7615small_zps8ccde2bb.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7615small_zps8ccde2bb.jpg.html)
and the older set.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7618small_zpsb7680231.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7618small_zpsb7680231.jpg.html)
Yeah, so I am dying to get my PAL these days. Even so bad as to buy a .177 air gun Browning BuckMark that resembles my BuckMark Hunter in .22LR...you know...for practice. :facepalm:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 09, 2015, 05:21:22 PM
Howard light makes some good and not to expensive electronic muffs and of course Peltors are top of the line and cost accordingly.
Post by: Chako on February 09, 2015, 11:04:00 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on February 10, 2015, 12:46:41 AM
Nate
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 10, 2015, 04:04:09 AM
True, but still hard to practice in your home with live .22LR ammo. :D
Suppressor and a basement range for the win.
Post by: Chako on February 10, 2015, 04:50:24 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 10, 2015, 05:51:54 AM
One is illegal where I am...and the other would contravene a few city by-laws. :D
It will be our secret. Ain't like they will be in your basement checking right? :pok:
Post by: Chako on February 10, 2015, 06:41:35 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 10, 2015, 09:18:04 AM
Oh and I forgot to mention, I don't have a basement. Crawlspace would't be all that convenient. ;)
Looks like it is time to move. :pok:
Post by: Chako on February 18, 2015, 01:13:53 AM
Here is another weird Canadian law thing. Magazines are a source of contention because in Canada, you are restricted to only 5 center fire rounds in a magazine. However, things aren't so black and white, and there appears to be plenty of loopholes as evinced in this article...
http://globalnews.ca/news/772067/the-booming-business-in-magazines-that-legally-triple-rifle-capacity/
So the more I read, the more informed...and confused I get at times lol.
On the plus side, I have now a list of online places I can find interesting items once I get my RPAL to the door. There appears to be a lot of cheap Chinese firearms flooding the Canadian market. For example, Norinco produces a ton of pistols, shotguns, and rifles. I can buy a new Chinese GI 1911 copy for around 300 dollars. Dominion Arms sells a Grizzly shotgun that holds 5 rounds in a magazine for around the 350 dollar mark. I hear they are heavy but that might not be a bad thing when it comes to shotguns. The cheapest AR 15 type I could find was a Norinco copy for 650 dollars.
But I digress...I am still looking into shotguns. I walked into the local gun shop a few days ago and asked to see some shotguns, deciding to focus on tactical stuff...but then I noticed a few ugly as sin camo guns with several barrels. I asked to see those and of course asked for the local prices. Here is the list...
Weatherby PA-459 Black Reaper $500
Mossberg Flex 500 $600
Remington 870 Express Magpul Desert $900
Remington 870 Tactical $639
Stoeger 20" Tactical coach gun $550
Mossberg 500 3 barrel set $519
Mossberg 535 Deer and Turkey 2 barrel set $510
Still very undecided. I plan on possibly doing shotgun competitions with it down the road. I have no interest in hunting, viewing this as an extension on my archery...purely for target sport purposes. That Stoeger Tactical double barrel coach gun is intriguing...but unsure how much of a hamper that would be in competing with it someday. I know plenty of folks are happy with their Remington 870s. In fact, the cheap Chinese shotguns tend to be based on a not as good 870 action. The barrel set shotguns are neat...but I noticed that the Mossberg barrels tend to screw into the end of the ammunition tube...preventing me from installing a tube expander down the road. The ammunition tube is not a pass-through design. Also not sure if I would ever use the other barrels to be honest...but they do appear to be a steal of a deal. I am told shotgun barrels tend to sell in the 200 dollar range. The Remington 870 Tactical is ok...but I wonder if I might be better served with a regular Remington 870 with polymer stock and longer barrel and buy a mag tub extension to fit to maximise ammunition capacity. I understand the regular 870s run around the upper 400 dollar range. I have to wonder if I can buy and install a ghost ring, or a red dot site on the regular Remington 870s. The weatherby is a nice shotgun that is cheap...and it comes with a weird skull graphics. Not sure if I can do much to it...or if it needs more to do to it to make it a somewhat ok competition gun down the road.
Yeah, plenty of questions and few answers at this time. Guess I just keep reading until something clicks. :facepalm:
Post by: Chako on February 18, 2015, 05:26:04 AM
http://www.mossberg.com/product/shotguns-autoloading-mossberg-930-signature-series-jm-pro-jerry-miculek-series-10-shot/85118
:drool:
Post by: SAK Guy on February 18, 2015, 05:41:56 AM
I think I may have found the ideal shotgun...
http://www.mossberg.com/product/shotguns-autoloading-mossberg-930-signature-series-jm-pro-jerry-miculek-series-10-shot/85118
:drool:
Yeah! That Jerry Miculek can really shoot!!!! Google his name for shooting vids on YouTube!!!
23 rounds in 3.73 seconds with a Mossberg 930 shotgun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5QTFvnENRc#ws)
Post by: captain spaulding on February 18, 2015, 06:13:57 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 18, 2015, 06:31:30 AM
As far as AR rifle go you should look into Palmetto State Armory. They sell good AR parts for a fair price and have the best customer service. Not sure what the rules are for sending gun parts to Canada are though. One good thing is they sell kits with everything you need to build an AR except for the lower receiver. Since the lower has the serial number they can just mail you the rest with no FFL and the like.
I always admired Jerry and his incredible skill set. I would hate to see someone break into his house. He would take out 30 people before they even knew what happened. :D
His wife and daughter are very good shots too. Both have won more then on national level three gun and shotgun competition.
Post by: pfrsantos on February 18, 2015, 01:27:04 PM
I think I may have found the ideal shotgun...
http://www.mossberg.com/product/shotguns-autoloading-mossberg-930-signature-series-jm-pro-jerry-miculek-series-10-shot/85118
:drool:
Yeah! That Jerry Miculek can really shoot!!!! Google his name for shooting vids on YouTube!!!
23 rounds in 3.73 seconds with a Mossberg 930 shotgun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5QTFvnENRc#ws)
Like Doom LARPing...
:tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:
Post by: Lynn LeFey on February 18, 2015, 06:51:54 PM
I would feel bad for anyone that forced him into a self defense use of a firearm. I imagine it'd be like an old western where one guy wipes out a gang of outlaws in a split second.
Post by: dmanuel on February 19, 2015, 07:29:35 AM
True, but still hard to practice in your home with live .22LR ammo. :D
Very easy though to keep your empties and use those. They will get damaged so eventually you will have to toss them but it's still a great way of practicing.
Post by: Chako on February 19, 2015, 12:29:33 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on February 19, 2015, 08:44:23 PM
Well after more digging, I have found that in Canada, you are restricted top only 5 shots in a semi automatic shotgun. Probably why pump shotguns are so popular...as there appears to be no ammo restrictions on those. Weird. There goes my dream shotty.
What if you plug the mag tube on the semi-auto?
Post by: Chako on February 20, 2015, 01:00:46 AM
I was invited to the local gun club's Wednesday night meal. I got to meet around 16 members and had a good time. Some of the um...er...toys a few of them brought out were impressive. There were a few shotguns, as well as a weird looking Glock pistol carbine. It would appear the folks at the Practical Shooters of Algoma are mostly into tactical firearms. I was undecided on the type of shotgun I was going for, but after seeing a few I believe my first will be something tactical.
On the plus side, I bought 4 more M&P 9mm mags that the local gun shop had in stock. That should give me 7 mags total...and I think that should be enough. Oh and if you want to laugh, I tried loading my 5 9mm Snap Cap rounds into one of the mags to see what that would be like...holy smurf those springs are strong. I can see why they sell speed loaders. I know my Range and Carry kit does come with one...and can't wait to see how that works.
Yeah, waiting this long is truly heavy on the suckage department.
Post by: captain spaulding on February 20, 2015, 02:30:03 AM
That is a possibility...but I think I am now looking at pump shotguns for now.
I was invited to the local gun club's Wednesday night meal. I got to meet around 16 members and had a good time. Some of the um...er...toys a few of them brought out were impressive. There were a few shotguns, as well as a weird looking Glock pistol carbine. It would appear the folks at the Practical Shooters of Algoma are mostly into tactical firearms. I was undecided on the type of shotgun I was going for, but after seeing a few I believe my first will be something tactical.
On the plus side, I bought 4 more M&P 9mm mags that the local gun shop had in stock. That should give me 7 mags total...and I think that should be enough. Oh and if you want to laugh, I tried loading my 5 9mm Snap Cap rounds into one of the mags to see what that would be like...holy smurf those springs are strong. I can see why they sell speed loaders. I know my Range and Carry kit does come with one...and can't wait to see how that works.
Yeah, waiting this long is truly heavy on the suckage department.
You can never have to many mag's. :tu:
Some mags can have very strong springs, but they will eventually loosen up a bit with use. Better to be a bit strong than having a weak spring though.
Post by: Chako on February 20, 2015, 04:03:27 AM
As for shotguns, I am now narrowing my focus to a few Mossberg 590 and 580A1 models. Man oh man, do you think they make enough different varieties? I would like to have 9 rounds max, and a parkerized finish. I am told that to compete in IPSC, you can only have 9 rounds max.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 20, 2015, 03:37:01 PM
That is a possibility...but I think I am now looking at pump shotguns for now.
I was invited to the local gun club's Wednesday night meal. I got to meet around 16 members and had a good time. Some of the um...er...toys a few of them brought out were impressive. There were a few shotguns, as well as a weird looking Glock pistol carbine. It would appear the folks at the Practical Shooters of Algoma are mostly into tactical firearms. I was undecided on the type of shotgun I was going for, but after seeing a few I believe my first will be something tactical.
On the plus side, I bought 4 more M&P 9mm mags that the local gun shop had in stock. That should give me 7 mags total...and I think that should be enough. Oh and if you want to laugh, I tried loading my 5 9mm Snap Cap rounds into one of the mags to see what that would be like...holy smurf those springs are strong. I can see why they sell speed loaders. I know my Range and Carry kit does come with one...and can't wait to see how that works.
Yeah, waiting this long is truly heavy on the suckage department.
The M&P line is known for them stiff springs.
Mag Lula. Will solve all your loading problems.
http://www.amazon.com/Lula-Universal-Pistol-Magazine-Loader/dp/B001HBHNHE
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 20, 2015, 11:23:19 PM
http://www.amazon.com/ADCO-Super-Thumb-ST1-Speedloader/dp/B00KPZ3M50/ref=sr_1_6?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1424470837&sr=1-6&keywords=adco+super+thumb
There's also a similar Glock speed loader that will work with many other brands.
Post by: Chako on February 21, 2015, 01:20:12 AM
Post by: Chako on February 21, 2015, 04:37:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZulAs7RagHc
Good grief...and I don't have my RPAL yet. :facepalm:
Post by: captain spaulding on February 21, 2015, 04:50:13 AM
Post by: Chako on February 21, 2015, 05:22:08 AM
I think I will be going back to the gun shop tomorrow to fondle it further and take a closer look at it.
Post by: Chako on February 21, 2015, 05:37:51 AM
Guess I won't know till I go there tomorrow to inquire further.
Post by: Chako on February 21, 2015, 08:23:06 PM
I think I should hold off...look at maybe some online places in Canada that might sell them and go from there.
Post by: dks on February 21, 2015, 08:38:44 PM
You will be surprised by how much fun you can have with any, less fancy, gun if you are actually shooting it.
Once you shoot a bit you will know better what you want to buy.
Look for functional things like fit (e.g. stock length), weight etc.try before you buy.
Post by: kirk13 on February 21, 2015, 09:48:06 PM
pause the shopping and do some shooting. That is where most of the fun is :D^
You will be surprised by how much fun you can have with any, less fancy, gun if you are actually shooting it.
Once you shoot a bit you will know better what you want to buy.
Look for functional things like fit (e.g. stock length), weight etc.try before you buy.
What he said! That's very good advice :tu:
Post by: dks on February 21, 2015, 09:52:46 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 21, 2015, 11:05:19 PM
Also ditto on scaling back the purchasing until you get more shooting experience.
Post by: Chako on February 22, 2015, 03:44:12 PM
But point well taken. I think I will wait till I get some shooting under my belt before I buy something else. Just trying to keep myself busy until I can get my restricted PAL.
Post by: BASguy on February 22, 2015, 04:29:21 PM
I would stay away from Hi-Point. Very, very cheap metals and materials on their pistols. If you wanted one for a extreme beater, or truck gun than maybe, but I would not buy one for any sort of competition or even practice shooting. Some Hi-Point pistols can take a lot of abuse and others have problems or failures regularly. Just food for thought.
I've owned and sold a couple of Hi Point pistols. Both went back to the factory for different repairs. Are they a great gun, no not really. However, the factory support and lifetime warranty is excellent. Fast turnaround and they send you an extra mag to offset your shipping costs to them. Excellent service and after each gun was returned, they were fine performers. Given the price point it's very hard to beat them for a plinker option at the range. The simple blowback design also makes them a good choice for an introduction to pistol shooting. As a revolver guy, I tend to see this attribute a little more practical than guys who prefer semi auto pistol shooting.
Like Captain said, I'd recommend a bit of caution in choosing a Hi Point, but I would just say my experience with them has been very acceptable based on expectations vs actual performance.
Post by: BASguy on February 22, 2015, 04:35:59 PM
Going with a pistol round in a carbine is basically a waste of capacity. If you're toting a larger, heavier gun you should make the effort worthwhile by going to a more powerful and capable cartridge..... a waste of capacity? I don't follow you. Shooting a carbine is not like shooting .308 or 30.06..... it's a carbine. Totally makes sense to me to carry ammo that is compatible with your handgun carry if you are range target shooting or similar. Perhaps I'm just slow and don't get what you are saying (which tends to happen as I'm not a smart man).
Also ditto on scaling back the purchasing until you get more shooting experience.
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 22, 2015, 11:39:18 PM
Post by: BASguy on February 23, 2015, 12:33:02 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 23, 2015, 05:03:18 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 23, 2015, 08:38:21 AM
What ever works for you, go with it. :cheers:
This is code for I do not agree with you but value the friends we have here and do not want to get into a my round is more better then yours contest.
I love .357, had a Model 19 Smith for years. To say .357 Magnum gives up nothing to 30-30 in ballistics is something I do not agree with. To a certain range there is a lot that can be done with a .357.
Post by: Chako on February 23, 2015, 01:25:06 PM
What I do know is that I have a handgun and carbine in .22LR. It makes perfect sense to me to have the same for 9mm. I am thinking purely about competition...and if a 9mm carbine is allowed in something like 3 gun competitions, then yes, there is a definite advantage in that I can have 10 rounds as pistol magazines max out at 10 here in Canada. Any center fire rifle or carbine will only be allowed 5 rounds max here in Canada.
From what I have read about the High Point 995 is great. It is the cheapest, and heaviest...but weight can be a good thing in stability. Life time warranty that is transferable to any current owner. Built tough and dependable. Very accurate from what I have seen as well. Somewhat difficult to take apart to clean...and due to its simple blow-back design...cleaning it often is the key. Some might dislike the looks...but I am not one of them. The nearest priced 9mm carbine at the local gun shop cost in excess of 1100 dollars.
If you haven't noticed, firearms are a lot more expensive here in Canada overall than in the US.
With that said, I am willing to wait until I can get my RPAL.
Post by: kirk13 on February 23, 2015, 02:11:33 PM
Although this is something I apply to Airguns,it should rollover to live ammo! Don't buy anything more til you can get range time. When your there look at what all everyone else is shooting. If you see something you like the look of,ask the owner about it. At my club,9/10 times the gun will be put into your hands to try out. Try lots of stuff,even if you don't fancy it!
The more guns you get to shoot,the better idea you'll have of what you actually need!
The thing I've noticed(and I'm guilty of it too!) is that if you buy before trying,you'll end up with a lot of stuff you'll never use.
Oh,and always beware the man with one gun!
Post by: Chako on February 23, 2015, 02:18:17 PM
Post by: Chako on February 23, 2015, 02:25:13 PM
Post by: Chako on February 23, 2015, 02:43:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxw_Sm6kRRg
Post by: Chako on February 24, 2015, 02:36:18 PM
So here is a list of things I now have waiting for the day I can get my licence. Any suggestions on what I may or may not need in the future, are always welcome.
1.
- Browning Buckmark Hunter .22LR. This has the 7 1/4" blued bull barrel, cocobolo target grips, and fiber optic front sights.
- Bushnell 1X28 Trophy red/green dot sight.
- 2 extra magazines still on order.
- Winchester M22 LR 40 grain ~ 1000 rounds.
2.
- Ruger 10/22R-TS. This features an adjustable Tac Star stock with 2 extra 10 round rotary magazines that fit in the butt stock. The Ruger also features the 50 year anniversary marking prominent on all 2014 Ruger 10/22s.
- Bushnell AR 1-4x24 30mm BDC reticle. I know it is designed for an AR, but the sight picture was very nice and bright. Besides, I may get an AR down the road...who knows. :think:
- GSG 110 round rotary magazine.
- Weaver rings 30mm.
- Fore-grip.
3.
- S&W M&P 9mm Range and Carry Kit. Comes with 3 magazines, a Blade-Tech Kydex holster and dual magazine pouch, and a Maglula Uplula speed loader.
- 4X10 round 9mm magazines.
- 500 rounds of Remington 115 grain UMC 9mm Luger.
- Tuff 8 in line dual stack magazine pouch.
- Snap cap 5 rounds of 9mm Luger.
I imagine I should buy a shooting belt at some time...either that or make one to my specifications. I haven't done any leather work in a few years...it just might be time to get back into it. Hmmm....come to think of it, I do have some old Western gun belt patterns somewhere with matching holster. That could make a nice summer project...maybe with a revolver down the road for some Western action. :think:
Post by: Mr. Whippy on February 24, 2015, 03:58:57 PM
I've only stopped by this thread a little but it seems to me, you're a bit unfocused in this.
What is it you want to DO with the guns? That will focus your purchases, caliber, etc.
Why a shotgun? Only 3 good reasons to buy a shotgun:
1. Home security (but messy)
2. Hunting (you've already ruled that out)
3. Shooting clays (launched targets).
If you don't fall into one of those groups, shotguns aren't really what you're after. Shooting paper targets at a range with a shotgun is kinda silly.
If you're mainly shooting paper, TRY the calibers you're interested in, with the GUN you're interested in. Large caliber in lightweight guns (sliding scale here) starts to become NOT fun because of kick. I would much prefer to shoot my target .22 rather than my LCP in 38 BECAUSE:
A) It's more accurate
B) It's much cheaper
C) It's less tiring.
My suggestion would be: Spend some time at the range with the weapons you have. Decide what you like and don't like about each of them and go from there.
And definitely figure out what kind of shooting you enjoy. Select weapons that work well for those types of shooting.
Post by: Chako on February 24, 2015, 04:15:16 PM
Because I also wanted to do some target practice with a rifle, I did my research and bought the Ruger 10/22 with tactical mods because that is what I wanted. Remember also that the sale was still in effect. I figured these type of sales don't come often...may as well get while the getting was good.
So that is how I ended up with a 22 pistol and rifle, and a 9mm pistol.
My plan is to practice with the 22s at first and then jump into the 9mm at a later date. I have found out that once I join the local gun club, they do offer the black badge course in May. I was told that if I wanted to go that route, and I do mostly for the fun of it, I would need at least7 mags and around 400 rounds of 9mm. So technically, I am sitting here waiting not so patiently for my RPAL (restricted Possession and aquisition licence) so that I can join the club and start practicing. I was told this will be sometime in March...I hope so, as that won't give me much time to practice before taking the course....which means I guess I am jumping right into 9mm from the start due to the compacted time frame. Once I get the course I can then start to take it easy.
The shotgun comes from the notion that the local gun clubs also do tactical shotgun competitions. I was looking for something that can hold 9 rounds (max for IPSC competitions) so that I could eventually join into that as well.
The 9mm Hi-point, I was looking into possibly 3 gun competitions down the road. Because it uses pistol magazines, I can have a max of 10 rounds as opposed to 5 rounds with anything else. Just thinking down the road here. The big pull is the price. AR type rifles are a mint up here, and I would find it hard to spent upwards of 1500 dollars on one just to have fun in some friendly local competitions.
So not exactly unfocused. I do have an end game plan in mind. Seeing that I am not interested in hunting, but mostly in having good fun in local competitions...that is my focus.
I haven't tried shooting clays yet. Heck, I have only shot 1 12 gauge shell from a shotgun, and 3 30-30 rounds from a lever action rifle a few years ago. I do tinker a lot with my air pistols and rifles however. You know, I originally wanted to get my PAL in order to buy a non neutered air rifle...but getting into firearms was always on my bucket list.
Post by: Mr. Whippy on February 24, 2015, 04:34:54 PM
Rather than buy guns because you might be interested in this activity or that activity, spend a fraction of that money and try the activities for several weeks. Many clubs have intro courses to help foster interest. Often you can rent or borrow a weapon to see whether you like the sport, and/or the people participating in it.
I think you'll find that some of these activities will not be to your liking. That's ok, that's what you want to find out. If it isn't for you, then you won't feel the need to put out ~$1,000 for a competition shotgun or AR or whatever.
If you think 9mm is the round for you, TRY some 9mm weapons at the range. Shooting 22's won't "break you in" for 9mm. Shooting 9mm will. Your gunshop guy is a bit full of it. .22's are ABSOLUTELY used in competition target shooting. Hell, it's the only allowed caliber for Biathlon (My nephew was US Junior silver medalist in the late 1990's).
I'm assuming we're not going to delve into personal defense arguments here, cuz that's just a crazy world of caliber bravado (most of which has been debunked at least for handguns).
Post by: Chako on February 24, 2015, 04:49:27 PM
I have friends who are in the gun club I will be joining, and they have told me plenty on IPSC black badge competitions, and I am certain that is what I am wanting to do for fun. Thankfully, I have a pistol to get me started so that I can get my feet wet. The 9mm is the lowest round they will accept in IPSC competitions. I haven't tried action shooting but all the videos and what my friends tell me, sounds like something I would most definitely like to try.
http://www.ipsc-canada.org/
And here is a video to give you an idea of IPSC competitions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfEWlMjfBnQ
Post by: Chako on February 24, 2015, 05:01:06 PM
I understand what you are saying...but I do have a game plan and a direct goal in sight. I know what I want to do, and am taking steps towards that goal. Besides, I am joining a gun club called the Algoma Practical Shooters. They like tactical stuff and are big IPSC black badge competitors. Heck, the local police force train at the gun range and most of them are members also.
Post by: Mr. Whippy on February 24, 2015, 05:06:55 PM
Well, I bought the 22's because it has cheap ammunition and I thought it would teach me some things that I just can't learn on pellet or bb pistols. I have done extensive reading online on the topic...and all my shooting friends suggested I start off with a 22.
I have friends who are in the gun club I will be joining, and they have told me plenty on IPSC black badge competitions, and I am certain that is what I am wanting to do for fun. Thankfully, I have a pistol to get me started so that I can get my feet wet. The 9mm is the lowest round they will accept in IPSC competitions. I haven't tried action shooting but all the videos and what my friends tell me, sounds like something I would most definitely like to try.
http://www.ipsc-canada.org/
And here is a video to give you an idea of IPSC competitions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfEWlMjfBnQ
The 22 will allow you to shoot without much/any kick, so it helps aid in preventing flinching when firing. However, you will have to retrain yourself when you switch to 9mm because you will tend to flinch, anticipating the kick. That's the only thing the 22 will show you: How much you're flinching subconciously.
The reason for not allowing 22 in the IPSC (imo) is that 1) It's not generally considered a defensive round (a little silly) and 2) it would give you an unfair advantage because it is so much easier to be accurate with a 22. (a pretty good reason, otherwise every serious competitor would exclusively use a 22)
Post by: Chako on February 24, 2015, 05:25:01 PM
Post by: Megan on February 24, 2015, 09:36:12 PM
Chako,
I've only stopped by this thread a little but it seems to me, you're a bit unfocused in this.
What is it you want to DO with the guns? That will focus your purchases, caliber, etc.
Why a shotgun? Only 3 good reasons to buy a shotgun:
1. Home security (but messy)
2. Hunting (you've already ruled that out)
3. Shooting clays (launched targets).
If you don't fall into one of those groups, shotguns aren't really what you're after. Shooting paper targets at a range with a shotgun is kinda silly.
If you're mainly shooting paper, TRY the calibers you're interested in, with the GUN you're interested in. Large caliber in lightweight guns (sliding scale here) starts to become NOT fun because of kick. I would much prefer to shoot my target .22 rather than my LCP in 38 BECAUSE:
A) It's more accurate
B) It's much cheaper
C) It's less tiring.
My suggestion would be: Spend some time at the range with the weapons you have. Decide what you like and don't like about each of them and go from there.
And definitely figure out what kind of shooting you enjoy. Select weapons that work well for those types of shooting.
My first time with a shot gun was at the range shooting the paper target and it is so silly. Of course you hit the target. You just aim for an area and boom- yea got it. Not exactly exciting and you'd get so sore doing that over and over and over again. I can't imagine.
I'd like to try bird hunting this year so it sounds like I will end up with one.
So far my favourite is a 9mm. The 22 wasn't that much fun to shoot I guess.
Post by: Mr. Whippy on February 24, 2015, 10:03:01 PM
Chako,
I've only stopped by this thread a little but it seems to me, you're a bit unfocused in this.
What is it you want to DO with the guns? That will focus your purchases, caliber, etc.
Why a shotgun? Only 3 good reasons to buy a shotgun:
1. Home security (but messy)
2. Hunting (you've already ruled that out)
3. Shooting clays (launched targets).
If you don't fall into one of those groups, shotguns aren't really what you're after. Shooting paper targets at a range with a shotgun is kinda silly.
If you're mainly shooting paper, TRY the calibers you're interested in, with the GUN you're interested in. Large caliber in lightweight guns (sliding scale here) starts to become NOT fun because of kick. I would much prefer to shoot my target .22 rather than my LCP in 38 BECAUSE:
A) It's more accurate
B) It's much cheaper
C) It's less tiring.
My suggestion would be: Spend some time at the range with the weapons you have. Decide what you like and don't like about each of them and go from there.
And definitely figure out what kind of shooting you enjoy. Select weapons that work well for those types of shooting.
My first time with a shot gun was at the range shooting the paper target and it is so silly. Of course you hit the target. You just aim for an area and boom- yea got it. Not exactly exciting and you'd get so sore doing that over and over and over again. I can't imagine.
I'd like to try bird hunting this year so it sounds like I will end up with one.
So far my favourite is a 9mm. The 22 wasn't that much fun to shoot I guess.
22's are a little like BB guns. Personally, I like a bit of feedback. My 40S&W M&P is my favorite to shoot. Because it's so natural in my hand, I actually shoot as accurate as with a 22 and can acquire a target much faster with it. Just not for as many magazines. :)
Post by: jerseydevil on February 24, 2015, 10:21:26 PM
22's are a little like BB guns.
That sort of statement has gotten people in a lot of trouble and/or killed over the years. The .22 Long Rifle cartridge is NOT a toy. It is powerful enough to kill at surprising distances from the muzzle of a rifle. I know that's not how you meant it Nate, but I felt I really had to interject that. As for match shooting, there are few cartridges that are as inherently accurate as the .22LR. It's one of the most developed and popular match cartridges on earth. In high school we had a rifle team, .22's at 50ft. The Anchutz I used was capable of 5-shot groups that could be easily covered by a dime. :tu:
That being said, my deer rifle is a .45-70 Marlin, and in terms of handguns my favorite is and always will be my S&W Model 19 Combat Magnum. :)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on February 24, 2015, 10:45:19 PM
22's are a little like BB guns.
That sort of statement has gotten people in a lot of trouble and/or killed over the years. The .22 Long Rifle cartridge is NOT a toy. It is powerful enough to kill at surprising distances from the muzzle of a rifle. I know that's not how you meant it Nate, but I felt I really had to interject that. As for match shooting, there are few cartridges that are as inherently accurate as the .22LR. It's one of the most developed and popular match cartridges on earth. In high school we had a rifle team, .22's at 50ft. The Anchutz I used was capable of 5-shot groups that could be easily covered by a dime. :tu:
That being said, my deer rifle is a .45-70 Marlin, and in terms of handguns my favorite is and always will be my S&W Model 19 Combat Magnum. :)
Tom,
You are absolutely right. I was referring to the recoil. Yes, 22s are not toys. In fact, since high powered rifles are illegal to shoot in Baltimore County, Maryland, we use a 22LR rifle for any real distance nuisance killis (generally raccoons).
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 25, 2015, 02:50:58 AM
Well, I bought the 22's because it has cheap ammunition and I thought it would teach me some things that I just can't learn on pellet or bb pistols. I have done extensive reading online on the topic...and all my shooting friends suggested I start off with a 22.
I have friends who are in the gun club I will be joining, and they have told me plenty on IPSC black badge competitions, and I am certain that is what I am wanting to do for fun. Thankfully, I have a pistol to get me started so that I can get my feet wet. The 9mm is the lowest round they will accept in IPSC competitions. I haven't tried action shooting but all the videos and what my friends tell me, sounds like something I would most definitely like to try.
http://www.ipsc-canada.org/
And here is a video to give you an idea of IPSC competitions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfEWlMjfBnQ
The 22 will allow you to shoot without much/any kick, so it helps aid in preventing flinching when firing. However, you will have to retrain yourself when you switch to 9mm because you will tend to flinch, anticipating the kick. That's the only thing the 22 will show you: How much you're flinching subconciously.
The reason for not allowing 22 in the IPSC (imo) is that 1) It's not generally considered a defensive round (a little silly) and 2) it would give you an unfair advantage because it is so much easier to be accurate with a 22. (a pretty good reason, otherwise every serious competitor would exclusively use a 22)
Read once that one of the top shooters back in the 1930s had a Colt Woodsman rechambered for 5.5mm Velodog, a European centerfire round almost identical in size to the rimfire .22LR, and proceeded to clean up at centerfire matches. The next year the rules were changed to say that centerfire match guns had to be .38 or larger.
Post by: Chako on February 26, 2015, 04:05:50 PM
Got my fingers crossed.
Post by: Chako on February 26, 2015, 07:08:58 PM
<--- Doing the happy dance.
Next thing to do is to join the local gun club. :D
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 26, 2015, 07:55:04 PM
Wow! That phone call did wonders. I just got off the phone with some good news. I was told that they received the phone call from my friend...and that I should receive my RPAL in the mail in 2 weeks time. Looks like my previous call where I was informing them of my intentions in a casual conversation with the officer on the line was the interview process. I was expecting them to phone me.
<--- Doing the happy dance.
Next thing to do is to join the local gun club. :D
Congrats man!
Post by: Chako on February 26, 2015, 08:08:05 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 26, 2015, 10:44:02 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on February 27, 2015, 11:30:40 AM
Nate
Post by: charlie fox on February 27, 2015, 12:49:28 PM
:facepalm:
Post by: Chako on February 28, 2015, 01:07:30 AM
Yeah, there is a lot of red tape for a beginner. I guess once everything is settled, it becomes a lot less bother.
Post by: Chako on February 28, 2015, 04:08:06 AM
http://civiladvantage.com/courses.php
https://www.youtube.com/user/civiladvantage
Post by: Chako on March 01, 2015, 04:49:27 PM
I moved the linen from the above storage shelf to a much better place, thereby giving me room to now store some of my archery gear. I also moved the cabinets and safe around to better maximize the floor space. I still have a storage shelf on the immediate right that contains Kleenex boxes and various sundry cleaning supplies and air fresheners. The next phase will be to remove tools in my cupboards above my washing machine and dryer, and then to transfer these supplies over to there. I hate to say it but the tools in that cupboard I rarely touch. This would move things where they should be and give me an extra storage shelf to store supplies on.
Time for some new photos I guess.
I moved the ammo cabinet next to the firearms cabinet. That allowed me more storage space to store my Olympic recurve hard case between the ammo locker and wall. I had previously bought a 4 handgun metal wire-frame sotage station, which I screwed into a wooden shelf support. This is where I am going to store 4 of my BB and pellet pistols. You can see it on the left of the following photo.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7733small_zps45cutpn6.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7733small_zps45cutpn6.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7736small_zpsrmknavpi.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7736small_zpsrmknavpi.jpg.html)
I moved the safe closer to the door. Those pistol cases are there temporarily. I am hoping to install a small stool....something like you see in auto centers...and eventually get a working mat and bring one of the magnetic parts containers there, and use the safe as my cleaning and work space. That is the idea anyways.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7734small_zps4sgqedr3.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7734small_zps4sgqedr3.jpg.html)
Now I have plenty of storage for various things, now that all my linens are now gone from this space.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7735small_zpsrkjhstwf.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7735small_zpsrkjhstwf.jpg.html)
I bought a 4 handgun bench storage case which I will use and store inside the firearms cabinet. I did not like storing them with the ammunition as some of my previous photos show...even though with the way that built in shelf fits height-wise with the foam barrel storage cutouts, I can theoretically store 7 more handguns there if needed.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7737small_zpskc6vzmvy.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7737small_zpskc6vzmvy.jpg.html)
And a shot of the inside of the firearms locker. All BB and pellet shooters in here right now.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7738small_zpstqt2dlck.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7738small_zpstqt2dlck.jpg.html)
Not sure if this is where the crossbow is going to be kept. At least it is in a better location than kept in the bedroom.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7739small_zpsqrp5y3bt.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7739small_zpsqrp5y3bt.jpg.html)
So one more shift and movement of stuff and the room should be almost to my liking. Getting there. :tu:
Post by: Gareth on March 01, 2015, 09:45:18 PM
I think you might need an extra bracket there buddy! :o
Looking good though. :)
Post by: Chako on March 01, 2015, 10:12:37 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on March 01, 2015, 10:36:18 PM
Post by: Chako on March 02, 2015, 01:06:27 PM
I might have to think about using proper boards here down the road. :think:
Post by: Chako on March 05, 2015, 03:04:13 AM
Post by: jerseydevil on March 05, 2015, 03:45:39 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on March 05, 2015, 04:08:44 AM
Only 3 months? Lucky you. In NJ it's not unheard of to have to wait 4-6 months for a firearms ID card or pistol permit. >:(
You guys shouldn't even be considered american with that kind of crap. :whistle: :angel:
Post by: Chako on March 05, 2015, 11:26:26 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on March 06, 2015, 03:37:57 AM
Just finished calling the RCMP in New Brunswick. I received great news. They mailed my application on the 26 to the 28th. Looks like it was a quick approval from the Ontario Provincial Police. Whew. If I am lucky, it will be in next week. :tu:
Great news!
Post by: Chako on March 07, 2015, 01:28:41 AM
However, I did go out and buy that Hi-Point 995TS. That will be my 9mm carbine.
After reading all the reviews, seeing plenty of videos, and fondling one at the local gun shop, I honestly must say this is a nice little 9mm carbine at a steal of a price.
Better yet, I got another deal off of it. They had three in stock. a used 45 caliber version with 2 extra magazines, and two 9mm versions, one boxed, the other on display. The displayed one has a for-grip, flashlight, laser, and flash suppressor. I asked if it came with more magazines. One of the owners of the shop found the box and told me that it didn't come with any. The 45 was a used gun and the previous owner got a few extra mags. Fair enough. She then told me there was another in the system...and to wait and she would bring that one out. She thought it may have an extra mag as it was 50 dollars more. To both our shock, the more expensive one was the bare 995ST. She checked her computer and told me that the other was mistakenly priced, as the retail on that one should be in the high 500s. She also told me that she would let me have the other for the ticketed price of 480 dollars as it was their mistake. I jumped at it. It is a steal of a deal compared to an AR which I can only use 5 rounds max and would cost me 1200 dollars or more.
Post by: Chako on March 09, 2015, 09:26:42 PM
I found this Tuff 8 magazine holder online.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7741small_zpsm2nvxtge.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7741small_zpsm2nvxtge.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7742small_zpswivmbyfo.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7742small_zpswivmbyfo.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7743small_zpsmhumyopz.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7743small_zpsmhumyopz.jpg.html)
That should do the trick on how to carry magazines on me.
I also found this nice range bag. Now I think I am set up....just waiting on my paperwork. :facepalm:
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7744small_zpstjnyefmv.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7744small_zpstjnyefmv.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7745small_zpst02erxp3.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7745small_zpst02erxp3.jpg.html)
Post by: Chako on March 11, 2015, 02:32:32 AM
I celebrated by going out and buying 500 rounds of .22LR, and 400 rounds of 9mm Luger. Time to start stocking up. I must say, Canadian Tire has more .22LR in stock than anywhere I have ever seen. Funny as I was in Elliot Lake this past Sunday, and the guy told me they couldn't get any in.
I also called the gun shop. They tell me I should be good this Friday as they will need to get me an ATT to bring the 3 restricted firearms to my house. I also called the gun club and they are now starting to work on getting me an ATT that will allow me to bring said firearms from my house to the range etc.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on March 11, 2015, 02:57:37 AM
Post by: Chako on March 11, 2015, 03:05:18 AM
http://www.actionshootingradio.ca/uploads/blackbadgemanual.pdf
Reason why I bought another 400 rounds of 9mm. That will give me 900 rounds in total to start practice and training.
It did feel great to buy ammo though rather than look at it as a form of unobtainium. :D
Post by: Lynn LeFey on March 11, 2015, 03:08:49 AM
Welcome to the club, on that. :D
Post by: Chako on March 11, 2015, 03:15:08 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 11, 2015, 11:16:57 AM
Pick up a great deal on a CZ P-07 that has been worked over by David at CGW one of the top CZ gunsmiths in America.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/albums/Harley%27s-Stuff/CZ%20P-07.jpg?m=1426068665)
Of course being America I gots to have high cap mags to go with it.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/albums/Harley%27s-Stuff/CZ%20Mags.jpg?m=1426068665)
Post by: ducttapetech on March 11, 2015, 11:22:56 AM
Nate
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 11, 2015, 11:25:17 AM
SWEET!
Nate
Oh yes if you have never fired a tuned CZ it is something to treat yourself to.
Post by: Chako on March 11, 2015, 11:34:21 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 11, 2015, 12:05:22 PM
That looks real good Harley. :tu:
Thanks Chako.
I like the look of the steel frame CZ's better but this one has already been worked by David and is about half the price of a new 75 done up by him.
That much money is a lot of ammo.
Post by: jerseydevil on March 11, 2015, 12:22:40 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 12, 2015, 01:39:27 PM
Lovely piece, Harley. :tu: Usually I'm not a fan of pistols that have a lot of aftermarket stuff all over them, but that's nicely done.
It was the test mule for a gunsmith that is considered by many as the best at CZ work in the US.
There are actually no aftermarket parts in it just a ton of careful fitting and polishing. Maybe a spring or two changed out now that I think about it.
Post by: PTRSAK on March 12, 2015, 03:24:05 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 12, 2015, 05:28:16 PM
I used to have a CZ85 that had been mildly worked over, nothing major, just a little fitting and polishing. Was a nice gun, but I only used it for one shoot, Steel Challenge, and my 1911 with super light loads and light recoil spring shot the match just as well. Sold the CZ and put the money towards my Bianchi Cup revolver.
Did someone say revolver?
:worthless:
Post by: Chako on March 13, 2015, 05:07:55 AM
So here are photos.
Hi-Point 995TS 9mm carbine. (Sorry for the colouring...the flash didn't go off).
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7752smal_zpsprrvydcf.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7752smal_zpsprrvydcf.jpg.html)
Browning Buckmark Hunter in .22 LR.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7755small_zpsarwpozzk.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7755small_zpsarwpozzk.jpg.html)
Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm. This will be my competition piece for IPSC. The local club is offering the course this May. I hope to join it.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7756small_zpsom8chgra.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7756small_zpsom8chgra.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7757small_zpsrsyalix2.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7757small_zpsrsyalix2.jpg.html)
And a Ruger 10/22.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7758small_zpspmlbqfcu.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7758small_zpspmlbqfcu.jpg.html)
The Star Tac stock came with 2 extra 10 round Ruger rotary magazines that fit into the butt. I thought that was a neat feature.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7761small_zpsfulbdcbf.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7761small_zpsfulbdcbf.jpg.html)
Post by: captain spaulding on March 13, 2015, 06:24:13 AM
Congrats on getting them home! I really like the Browning and the 10/22. If the 10/22 does not have a upgraded trigger I would suggest on getting a aftermarket drop in trigger housing. Obviously you will decide if you want that after you shoot it, but I figured I would mention it. You started your collection out right. Congrats! :tu:
Post by: ducttapetech on March 13, 2015, 12:37:51 PM
I have one of those Hi Point carbine also. Very fun gun to shoot.
Nate
Post by: Gareth on March 13, 2015, 02:45:39 PM
Post by: Chako on March 13, 2015, 09:48:14 PM
Got myself a nice Cimmaron Plinkerton single action revolver in .22LR. It was very cheap...and should be a good entry level revolver.
Post by: captain spaulding on March 13, 2015, 10:01:49 PM
Sunday, but I can only use my 10/22 as its the only one not on the restriction list.
Got myself a nice Cimmaron Plinkerton single action revolver in .22LR. It was very cheap...and should be a good entry level revolver.
Very cool. I love single actions and it will be endless fun chambered in .22. If you end up doing any target shooting I would recommend getting some of these. They are sticky targets that you can put on your original target that you set up. They are great because you can very easily identify where you are hitting because the hole turns yellow. Another good things is they normally come with small black stickers that you can cover up the holes with and then keep using the same target. If it gets to shot up you can just stick another full target over the last one and your good to go.
I do not know how they will do it at your range, but around here if you do not have your own targets they will charge you per target and it adds up quick. If you use the stickers you can (depending on what your shooting) use a single target all day. I also will set up some of the small black dots around the outside of the target (maybe 20-30 of them) and have a bunch of tiny targets to shoot at. The cheapest I have found them is at Walmart.
You might already know about these. If so disregard everything I just said. :D
They are called "Shoot.N.C" targets.
Not my pictures.
This is what they look like.
(https://www.birchwoodcasey.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?maxsidesize=375&guid=ee6537e6-5fb7-4546-b3cc-882928111f95)
https://www.birchwoodcasey.com/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?maxsidesize=375&guid=ee6537e6-5fb7-4546-b3cc-882928111f95
This is what they look like when you shoot them.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7445/11376774483_5135dfb106.jpg)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7445/11376774483_5135dfb106.jpg
You can see some of the small black dots covering up some existing holes. If it gets to bad you can just slap another whole target over it.
(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n615/krazeeye/Shoot%20n%20See/SnCReal-600.jpg) (http://s1142.photobucket.com/user/krazeeye/media/Shoot%20n%20See/SnCReal-600.jpg.html)
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Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 13, 2015, 10:06:30 PM
Sunday, but I can only use my 10/22 as its the only one not on the restriction list.
Got myself a nice Cimmaron Plinkerton single action revolver in .22LR. It was very cheap...and should be a good entry level revolver.
Very cheap and firearms is usually not a good combination... :ahhh
Post by: Chako on March 14, 2015, 01:15:10 AM
Yep, I know Mr. Whippy. For the price, it will give me a feel for a single action revolver and if I don't like it, I didn't waste much money. If I do however, I can see myself upgrading.
EDIT: Forgot to add that I also bought more ammunition. 2x525 Remington Golden Bullet Packs of .22LR, 2x50 Barnaul 9mm, 2x50 Lellier & Bellot 9mm, and 2x50 Remington UMC 9mm.
That should give me 2550 .22LR rounds, and 1200 9mm rounds so far.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 14, 2015, 08:29:08 AM
Funny you would say that captain spaulding, I just bought myself a bunch of those today. :D
Yep, I know Mr. Whippy. For the price, it will give me a feel for a single action revolver and if I don't like it, I didn't waste much money. If I do however, I can see myself upgrading.
EDIT: Forgot to add that I also bought more ammunition. 2x525 Remington Golden Bullet Packs of .22LR, 2x50 Barnaul 9mm, 2x50 Lellier & Bellot 9mm, and 2x50 Remington UMC 9mm.
That should give me 2550 .22LR rounds, and 1200 9mm rounds so far.
1200 rounds of 9mm!
I know where I am going to shoot when I get my CZ.
Post by: PTRSAK on March 14, 2015, 10:36:15 AM
I used to have a CZ85 that had been mildly worked over, nothing major, just a little fitting and polishing. Was a nice gun, but I only used it for one shoot, Steel Challenge, and my 1911 with super light loads and light recoil spring shot the match just as well. Sold the CZ and put the money towards my Bianchi Cup revolver.
Did someone say revolver?
:worthless:
Funny, you never think about it until it's too late, but I have got very few pic's of my handguns.
In fact, this it the only one of the Bianchi cup revolver.
From what I remember its makeup went something like this.
S&W 686-3
Slab sided match barrel
Custom machined scope base with barricade wings
Tasco PDP4 with 5 MOA dot
Full trigger job including double action only, trigger over-travel stop, cylinder indexing, ball locks, bobbed hammer and checkered trigger face.
Welded on beavertail, checkered backstrap and made for my hand ortho grips with base plate for prone shooting
(The sticking plaster around the barrel stops it sliding up/down the barricade.)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/asset0046_zps39543ffd.jpg)
Ammo was 137gn teflon BNWC (button nose wad cutters) loaded in 38spl cases to 950fps giving a 130 power factor (min 125) but staying subsonic for better accuracy.
38spl cases were used for positive case ejection.
(http://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/server4800/6dd73/products/153/images/298/B137.BNWC__81696.1405459998.1280.1280.JPG?c=2)
On a calm day (if I did my part) it could put down 50mm (2 inch) groups at 50 meters
It was a MACHINE.
My Police and Service match revolver was a stock 38spl Model 14 S&W (match rules) with allowed mods of
DAO trigger job and ball locks, Millett sights.
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/asset0049_zps0f32f95d.jpg)
My LOUD FUN gun was a S&W Model 29-2 44 Magnum with 1x25 LER Tasco scope.
It may or may not have gone on a few hog busting trips ::)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/asset0048_zpsa65742b8.jpg)
My 1911. A blue over nickel Series 70 Colt Govt Model with Chip McCormick Trigger/sear/disconnector, hammer and beavertail, Millett sights or occasionally a PDP3.
All gently gunsmith massaged into a nice shooting .45
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/asset0050_zpsaa8a4c16.jpg)
not a bad looker either
Post by: Chako on March 14, 2015, 12:29:08 PM
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on March 14, 2015, 01:25:16 PM
Post by: jerseydevil on March 14, 2015, 01:30:39 PM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on March 14, 2015, 04:24:15 PM
Post by: toolguy on March 14, 2015, 04:47:36 PM
Very nice! :tu: I'm curious - why the bobbed hammers on the match revolvers? The only reason I can think of is so they don't potentially hang up on a holster when drawn.
PTRSAK may or may not see your post.I'll attempt to answer your question JD.He mentions it in his post,DAO means double action only.These guns are shot double action only,so there is no need for the spur on the hammer.It also lightens the hammer and theoretically allows a faster hammer fall/lock time.You'll also notice that the face of the trigger is rounded,which is also an indication this gun is set up to be fired in double action only mode.
Post by: jerseydevil on March 14, 2015, 04:52:34 PM
Here's a trivia question for you folks talking about single action revolvers. Traditionally, wheelguns like the Colt SAA have the loading gate on the right side of the frame, making them effectively left-handed for loading. Why?
Post by: kirk13 on March 14, 2015, 04:58:43 PM
:facepalm: I didn't notice his mention of DAO. I can assure you, I know what it means. :D
Here's a trivia question for you folks talking about single action revolvers. Traditionally, wheelguns like the Colt SAA have the loading gate on the right side of the frame, making them effectively left-handed for loading. Why?
For easier reloading in the saddle?
Post by: jerseydevil on March 14, 2015, 05:05:45 PM
Post by: Lynn LeFey on March 14, 2015, 05:27:44 PM
For easier reloading in the saddle?
Pfft! Sure, maybe that's TECHNICALLY correct, but we ALL know it's because left-handed shootists are awesome, and deserve easy-to-reload six guns. :D
Post by: Gareth on March 14, 2015, 05:43:22 PM
Kirky for the win! :cheers: A cavalryman would have his reins in his left hand, keeping his right free for his saber or revolver. The handgun would be switched to the left hand when reloading.I actually knew that one as well. Honest. :D
Post by: Chako on March 14, 2015, 08:48:46 PM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7766small_zpsgifcprjh.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7766small_zpsgifcprjh.jpg.html)
This is my first shotgun. I chose it because it was the most comfortable in hand, and the pull felt just right (I even tried youth shotguns). It is a Remington 870 SPS SuperMag Turkey/Predator with scope.
I was originally looking at black tactical shotguns, but this one just felt right in the hand. Many of the tactical shotguns came with improved cylinder only. After much consideration, I wanted something a bit more generalist. I know that a Turkey/Predator gun is rather speSmurfpillst, but I can change the choke tubes on this. This one comes with an extra full choke, meaning tight patterns out to 40 or 50 yards. I asked if I could buy a few different chokes, and the gun shop didn't have any in stock.
I would like to add an improved cylinder for slugs...or is that the best choke for slugs and buck shot? My knowledge is a bit wanting, as I researched tactical models...but when I held this one, I just knew this was the one for me. Go figure, and I hate camo on a gun. I guess I prioritized feel and comfort above looks. I can live with the camo.
Now because this did not exactly meet my ammo capacity needs, I also got an extension tube. Here it is with the extension tube.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7767small_zpsb0gvhh2i.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7767small_zpsb0gvhh2i.jpg.html)
Yeah, I think that will do nicely.
Post by: PTRSAK on March 14, 2015, 09:04:52 PM
Very nice! :tu: I'm curious - why the bobbed hammers on the match revolvers? The only reason I can think of is so they don't potentially hang up on a holster when drawn.
PTRSAK may or may not see your post.I'll attempt to answer your question JD.He mentions it in his post,DAO means double action only.These guns are shot double action only,so there is no need for the spur on the hammer.It also lightens the hammer and theoretically allows a faster hammer fall/lock time.You'll also notice that the face of the trigger is rounded,which is also an indication this gun is set up to be fired in double action only mode.
^^this, also it looks cool as catsmurf
Post by: Gareth on March 14, 2015, 09:12:11 PM
(http://images.lowes.com/product/converted/071915/071915232268.jpg)
Post by: Chako on March 14, 2015, 09:14:19 PM
Post by: dks on March 14, 2015, 09:27:34 PM
Post by: Chako on March 14, 2015, 09:39:34 PM
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 14, 2015, 10:53:31 PM
I tried some quick movements in the shop, and it felt the best of them all for me. Only time will tell.
Hahaha :D
Good one Dan. I don't think that will swing well, fwiw. What gauge?
Post by: captain spaulding on March 14, 2015, 11:02:39 PM
I would like to add an improved cylinder for slugs...or is that the best choke for slugs and buck shot? My knowledge is a bit wanting, as I researched tactical models...but when I held this one, I just knew this was the one for me. Go figure, and I hate camo on a gun. I guess I prioritized feel and comfort above looks. I can live with the camo.
I would do some major research before shooting slugs through any choke tube. I definitely would not shoot a slug through a extra full.
Is your barrel rifled? The reason I ask is if so you need to use a different slug then if the shotgun barrel is smooth and vice versa.
Make sure you figure these things out before shooting slugs through that shotgun or you could risk damage to your gun.
The stock looks like it is designed for slow careful aiming, rather than quick shots. I have not seen any with that sort of stock in any shops here (and I visit maaaaany). Hopefully it is not too speSmurfpillsed and you will be able to use it for clays etc.
You are correct. That stock is not designed for clays shooting, but more precise shooting. Its not much of a issue though as if it does not work out it can be easily swapped out for a new stock (as i'm sure you know).
Post by: Chako on March 14, 2015, 11:56:25 PM
It is 12 gauge, and a smooth bore. For what I will be using this for, I think a choke that would allow me to shoot slugs and buck shot is all I need for now.
I don't know anything about trap or skeet, and don't have any interest in it right now to be honest. The quick movements I tried in the shop was something more in line with IPSC competitions. Plenty of pistol grip tactical shotguns out there....and this one is not much different from those. :salute:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 15, 2015, 09:21:17 AM
For easier reloading in the saddle?
Pfft! Sure, maybe that's TECHNICALLY correct, but we ALL know it's because left-handed shootists are awesome, and deserve easy-to-reload six guns. :D
:facepalm:
No worries, I know you do not shoot slugs or buck shot through an extra full choke. The warnings are always welcome though. :salute:
It is 12 gauge, and a smooth bore. For what I will be using this for, I think a choke that would allow me to shoot slugs and buck shot is all I need for now.
I don't know anything about trap or skeet, and don't have any interest in it right now to be honest. The quick movements I tried in the shop was something more in line with IPSC competitions. Plenty of pistol grip tactical shotguns out there....and this one is not much different from those. :salute:
If you do decide to shoot slugs remember it is super easy and cheap to change a 870 barrel.
Post by: Chako on March 15, 2015, 12:12:20 PM
As soon as I can find them online on the Canadian side or something, I have my sights on a few more Remington Wingmaster HD chokes. I truly appreciate the tool-less design of these.
Post by: Chako on March 15, 2015, 09:04:53 PM
My friend also brought his 40 caliber Glock 22 for me to try out. I wasn't sure what to expect, but the first shot sort of startled me somewhat. I wasn't expecting such a kick. I only got to shoot 10 rounds, but towards the last 2, I was just starting to get used to it...somewhat.
He also brought an older Buckmark pistol that looked a lot like my much newer hunter. That was great fun to shoot. He even brought a few .22LR pellet rounds to try out. Those exhibited less recoil that a regular .22LR, which didn't compare to the 40 caliber at all.
Last but not least, he brought a 20 gauge shotgun to try out.
All in all, a pleasant time. I have my range safety seminar this Tuesday. Hopefully, my ATT for the Plinkerton will come in soon as well.
:salute:
Post by: captain spaulding on March 15, 2015, 11:26:48 PM
Ok. I finally got to go down to the club and shoot some things. I was able to sight in my Ruger 10/22. I shot around 200 rounds, 8 of those failed in some way. I had 2 squib loads (I was thankful to have brought a flashlight, as I wasn't sure if the projectile had enough power to exit the barrel). Before you ask, I have dedicated my motorcycle MUT to the range bag. It came in handy as one of the rounds got lodged in the chamber. I was able to gently coax it out with the carbon scraper.
My friend also brought his 40 caliber Glock 22 for me to try out. I wasn't sure what to expect, but the first shot sort of startled me somewhat. I wasn't expecting such a kick. I only got to shoot 10 rounds, but towards the last 2, I was just starting to get used to it...somewhat.
He also brought an older Buckmark pistol that looked a lot like my much newer hunter. That was great fun to shoot. He even brought a few .22LR pellet rounds to try out. Those exhibited less recoil that a regular .22LR, which didn't compare to the 40 caliber at all.
Last but not least, he brought a 20 gauge shotgun to try out.
All in all, a pleasant time. I have my range safety seminar this Tuesday. Hopefully, my ATT for the Plinkerton will come in soon as well.
:salute:
2 Squib loads! Did the projectile get stuck in the barrel? If so I would stop shooting from that box immediately and send the manufacturer a email about your issues. Squib loads are no joke and should not be that common. I have never experienced a squib load in over 20 + years of shooting.
Regarding the other malfunctions with the 10/22. What kind of malfunctions were they? Did you clean the rifle before taking it out the first time?
The 40 caliber Glocks can be quite "snappy" in recoil. I really like Glocks in 9mm.
Congrats on getting out to the range. You will be shooting like Buffalo Bill in no time. :D
Post by: Lynn LeFey on March 16, 2015, 01:25:14 AM
I'm quite happy with 9mm. Also, a good deal cheaper than any other centerfire round.
On the squib loads... uh, wow. Yeah, that $#!+ is NOT funny. I'd send a nasty-gram to the ammo manufacturer.
Post by: Chako on March 16, 2015, 02:03:52 AM
I did clean the barrel, but did not oil up my drum magazine before shooting. Not sure if that had anything to do with it. I will have to shoot more lead downrange to figure that out...something I think will not be an onerous task. :D
I also had a few where the primer fired, the bullet went bang, but the bullet remained attached to the shell.
After looking online...I guess I bought some pretty bad stuff. I was shooting Remington Golden Bullets. Sounds like I was lucky compared to a few other folks. I only had 8 issues out of 200 rounds. My problem, I bought two boxes of 525 rounds each. :facepalm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkbjFtH_Fn4
Post by: captain spaulding on March 16, 2015, 02:27:59 AM
Aftermarket magazines can cause failures to feed.
Remington Golden Bullet is about the last .22 I would buy. The best of the cheaper stuff is Federal. I am pretty picky about what I will shoot.
Just so we are on the same page here. A squib load is when the cartridge is fired and the bullet comes out of the cartridge, but does not exit the barrel and is lodged in the barrel. You are saying this happened twice correct?
Post by: Chako on March 16, 2015, 02:35:39 AM
I also had a few where the bullet remained on the cartridge after firing. After inspecting those, there was a clear firing pin mark on the base, but you could tell where the hot gasses leaked in one spot around the bullet. Is this caused by crappy crimping or something?
A few also exhibited an indent (dimple) on the base of the casing. Those failed to fire, and I just disposed of those as I could. Guess once I am done with Remington Golden Bullets, I won't be buying anymore. So much for the guy recommending them to me at Canadian Tire. :D
Post by: captain spaulding on March 16, 2015, 02:40:50 AM
Ok...maybe my definition is not the right one here. Both times, the bullet did exit the barrel...if just barely.
Okay. I thought so because it did not seem like we were talking about the same thing. Well that's good news at least. Sounds like some under powered loads which would cause a failure like failure to eject/feed. Again, this can also be caused by aftermarket magazines as well. I would be very mindful of that ammunition until you shoot through it as if their are under powered loads that could actually cause a squib.
Anyways, it's great you got to go shoot. Keep us posted on your next range trip. :tu:
Post by: Chako on March 16, 2015, 02:43:25 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on March 16, 2015, 02:46:57 AM
I also had a few where the bullet remained on the cartridge after firing. After inspecting those, there was a clear firing pin mark on the base, but you could tell where the hot gasses leaked in one spot around the bullet. Is this caused by crappy crimping or something?
A few also exhibited an indent (dimple) on the base of the casing. Those failed to fire, and I just disposed of those as I could. Guess once I am done with Remington Golden Bullets, I won't be buying anymore. So much for the guy recommending them to me at Canadian Tire. :D
It could of been from poor crimping or possibly a crack in the case. When you have failures like that or anything weird happens, keep the bullet for inspection later. It can tell a lot and you might need to look at it later to find out what happened.
I would go back and slap the guy who recommended those to you. :D
I do not wan't to worry you, but with the problems you are having with that particular batch of Golden Bullets I would send a e-mail to them and see what can be done. I would not be to enthusiastic about shooting the rest of those. I have heard of companies having you return the ammunition and sending vouchers for replacement.
Post by: captain spaulding on March 16, 2015, 02:48:26 AM
Not all failures occurred with the 110 round drum. Some of those occurred with the stock factory 10 round Ruger rotary magazine. From what I saw, mind you, I only shot a total of 200 rounds, the failures didn't seem to care if I was using the third party rotary magazine or the Ruger ones. I think it is the bullet at question here. Going to try them again the second time I take it to the range and see what is up.
I would disassemble and clean it before your next trip. Make sure the bolt is nice and lubed (not to much though). I always clean a gun before its first range trip as their is almost always metal particles left behind form production.
Post by: Chako on March 16, 2015, 04:12:12 AM
Post by: Chako on March 16, 2015, 05:18:52 AM
So the definition of a firearm just got broadened in Canada. The article I read also stated that the ruling not only applied to air rifles and pistols, but also to air canons, home made spud guns, etc...
Post by: captain spaulding on March 16, 2015, 05:32:20 AM
A step ahead of you. I am going to clean them religiously and have already done so.
Well done. :tu:
Post by: PTRSAK on March 16, 2015, 08:31:42 AM
3 boxes of shotgun ammo (75rnds)
about 50rnds in the 22-250 55gn Ballistic Tip handloads
50(ish) shots out of the 6.5x55, 20x 100gn Ballistic Tips and 30 or so 160gn Cast projectiles loaded subsonic with Trail Boss powder.
and 15 in my .300 WinMag 125gn ballistic tips at a smidgen over 3500fps
Shoulder is a little doughy this morning (that would be the WinMag, it's a reamed out .308Win K98 Mauser and doesn't weigh a lot.)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 16, 2015, 09:53:47 AM
Had a nice day at the range yesterday (Sunday) got through a bunch of ammo.
3 boxes of shotgun ammo (75rnds)
about 50rnds in the 22-250 55gn Ballistic Tip handloads
50(ish) shots out of the 6.5x55, 20x 100gn Ballistic Tips and 30 or so 160gn Cast projectiles loaded subsonic with Trail Boss powder.
and 15 in my .300 WinMag 125gn ballistic tips at a smidgen over 3500fps
Shoulder is a little doughy this morning (that would be the WinMag, it's a reamed out .308Win K98 Mauser and doesn't weigh a lot.)
Did you have some issues with your .300 Winnie? Noticed you only shot 15 of them. :pok:
Post by: PTRSAK on March 16, 2015, 01:02:18 PM
Had a nice day at the range yesterday (Sunday) got through a bunch of ammo.
3 boxes of shotgun ammo (75rnds)
about 50rnds in the 22-250 55gn Ballistic Tip handloads
50(ish) shots out of the 6.5x55, 20x 100gn Ballistic Tips and 30 or so 160gn Cast projectiles loaded subsonic with Trail Boss powder.
and 15 in my .300 WinMag 125gn ballistic tips at a smidgen over 3500fps
Shoulder is a little doughy this morning (that would be the WinMag, it's a reamed out .308Win K98 Mauser and doesn't weigh a lot.)
Did you have some issues with your .300 Winnie? Noticed you only shot 15 of them. :pok:
Issues were
1. Technically it's too powerful for our range. We are actually in the middle of suburbia and 30cal plus calibers are supposed to be restricted to under 3000fps.
This Google Earth view is 5 years out of date, there's a lot more houses now.
2. It's too bloody loud, everyone gets the smurfs with it. bloody sooks
3. I only had 35 loaded rounds of my 100 cases and wanted to leave a box in case I get a trip away before I manage to get a reloading session in.
as far as recoil goes, it's really quite a pussycat with these lightweight pills, even if it is a bit concussive. But I was shooting it off the bench and that tends to put one in a less recoil tolerant posture. and I haven't fired anything except subsonics out of the Swede in nearly 2 years. Kicks a bit harder with 220gn roundnose but it's still nothing compared to the .458. I wouldn't even get to 5 out of that, let alone 15.
Post by: Chako on March 17, 2015, 02:35:24 PM
With all that, it was great fun. My friend brought his older 870, and man, I wouldn't trade his hard shoulder pad for my super soft pad. That made a world of difference.
Going to be taking my range safety seminar at noon today, and that should allow me to go shooting alone. :tu:
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 17, 2015, 02:53:22 PM
Personally, I would take it to the shop where I purchased it and tell them exactly what it was doing and what your suspicion is. THEY should get it right. Maybe the pin is correct but the barrel is flawed. Unless you have intimate knowledge of the Remington 870, I would not be filing down ANYTHING on a new weapon.
Besides not knowing what you're doing, you could be potentially making the weapon dangerous (as in higher risk of catastrophic failure).
My 870 Express has never failed to shoot whatever slug, saboted round, shotgun shell that has been fed into it from temperatures down to the low teens up to the upper 90's.
Finicky about ammunition is NOT a characteristic of the ultra-reliable 870.
Post by: jerseydevil on March 17, 2015, 02:54:29 PM
Post by: Chako on March 17, 2015, 02:57:42 PM
The jams were so extreme that we had to bang it hard off of a hard surface to unjam it. The pump mechanism wouldn't budge, the action button in front of the trigger guard would be stuck inwards.
It only had issues with the #4. Not exactly happy with the situation to be honest. Going to see what the shop will tell me.
Post by: Chako on March 17, 2015, 09:57:57 PM
The owner told me my shotgun is now used and if I wanted to trade it in for a left handed one, I would take a financial hit. I told him not to insult me and that I will keep it. However, I did leave it in his hands to see if he can do the magazine tube installation, as I don't want to do it as it is a new gun. No telling when that will get done. I am still waiting for 2 Buckmark magazines that have been on order since January. He still hasn't looked at the Hi Point magazine...and now the fun with this shotgun. I am thinking I wished I had never bought items from him...as he is terrible on customer service. Many club members did warn me...but I had bought quite a bit of gear before I got the warning.
I guess they will see me on a daily basis soon and be a general pain in the butt until I get my stuff working as it should.
This is probably the last gun I will buy from them. Not happy at all as I now know he won't stand by his products. :poh:
Meet a cheap little plinker. Can't wait to try it out...still waiting for the ATT from the club so that I can start practicing with my handguns. Looks like the OPP are dragging their feet on those for some reason.
Anyways, this is a Cimmeron Plinkerton SA revolver. I know you get what you pay for, but I am unsure if I will like this form of handgun. Better to try it out for a few hundred than go into it big and hate it. After all the fun I am having with the local gun shop, I can see why buying online is so much more prevalent.
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Yeah, so very smufed about the local dealer. That shotgun I bought, the shells keep landing on my arm. I hope the action gets better and starts tossing those shells a little further away from the shooter. Time will tell.
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 17, 2015, 10:12:51 PM
The 870 Express comes with a modified choke pre-installed and a couple other chokes are included. (It also comes with the rifled barrel which is super nice).
Chako, you need to find out why those shells misfed. Something isn't right there. It might be you bought the wrong shotgun shells, but that is something that has to be sorted out. It is not a normal condition for an 870 to have feeding problems.
Post by: Chako on March 17, 2015, 10:53:06 PM
I have done some extensive online reading, and I also hear that they need a break in period. I didn't shoot enough shells down range to be considered a break in period.
After taking a closer look at those shells, the thin steel base was deformed a little in that they expanded somewhat. My friend and I figures that may be the issue. The shotgun had no issues with other shotshells
Post by: Gareth on March 17, 2015, 10:55:57 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 18, 2015, 09:52:38 AM
The word is that the new 870s are not as good as the older ones.
I thought you had a Browning shotgun Chako?
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 18, 2015, 11:52:31 AM
It was only having issues with the one type of shell. There is another club member who had similar issues. The word is that the new 870s are not as good as the older ones. Not sure if that is right or not. As for my gun...it only came with the super full turkey/predator choke. Not all of them come with multiple chokes. Mine also did not come with a rifled barrel. I can add those if and when I wish at my cost.
I have done some extensive online reading, and I also hear that they need a break in period. I didn't shoot enough shells down range to be considered a break in period.
After taking a closer look at those shells, the thin steel base was deformed a little in that they expanded somewhat. My friend and I figures that may be the issue. The shotgun had no issues with other shotshells
Your photo shows 2 choke tubes (the silver cylinders), and you likely have one already in the barrel (probably you super full turkey). The choke tubes will be marked what they are and often will say on them if they can be used with slugs.
If you were shooting those Winchester shells in the picture, I've run a couple dozen of those boxes through my 870 no problem. If they're not feeding correctly, take them back, show the gunshop owner, because the lot should probably be recalled. That's a serious defect.
Post by: Chako on March 18, 2015, 01:23:31 PM
No those are not choke tubes, but snap caps. My shotgun only came with the one. I will need to buy the others if and when I can.
Well the shop has the shotgun as they have to file two nubs to allow access to the mag tube extension, and also to look at that red dot sight as something was off with it. When I get it, I will try to run more shells into it to see if it still jams...if it does I will look into that. :salute:
Post by: dks on March 18, 2015, 01:38:42 PM
I rarely use any premium/expensive shells as I shoot the same with most shells (Varying the brand/load for the temperature, target etc.). I just use local or Spanish shells. US made shells are seen as "premium" here, mainly because of their higher cost. People assume that they must be good if they are expensive, ignoring the tax/shipping cost. :D
Maybe the shells you have have gotten wet or are very old stock. Some shells have been made, looking about the same, for decades.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 18, 2015, 03:37:57 PM
:oops: Did I say Browning? It is a Remington 870. My only defense is that I have been fighting a fever for a couple of days now and it makes thinking a little difficult.
No those are not choke tubes, but snap caps. My shotgun only came with the one. I will need to buy the others if and when I can.
Well the shop has the shotgun as they have to file two nubs to allow access to the mag tube extension, and also to look at that red dot sight as something was off with it. When I get it, I will try to run more shells into it to see if it still jams...if it does I will look into that. :salute:
I have two 870's and never had em choke on anything, betting like Whips said it is the ammo.
Come to think of it you might have said something like that also.
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 18, 2015, 05:01:04 PM
Regardless, I'd probably just make my own "snap cap" out of an old shotgun shell.
On to another question:
When shoot clays, is there a significant disadvantage to using a 20 ga (in comparison to 12 ga), because there are fewer pellets going down range? I always sort of figured it was theoretical only, but maybe that's not true.
Regardless, I prefer the gentler kick of the 20ga.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 18, 2015, 05:09:19 PM
Huh. I've never thought to use a snap cap in a shot gun. Snap caps are important for rimfire, but I thought all modern centerfire (and a shotgun is really just another kind of centerfire) were fine to dry fire. Maybe that's not true, but I've dry fired a lot of shotguns a lot of times and have never had a firing pin problem. :think:
Regardless, I'd probably just make my own "snap cap" out of an old shotgun shell.
On to another question:
When shoot clays, is there a significant disadvantage to using a 20 ga (in comparison to 12 ga), because there are fewer pellets going down range? I always sort of figured it was theoretical only, but maybe that's not true.
Regardless, I prefer the gentler kick of the 20ga.
Can't say as I have ever dry fired a shotgun.
Never seen a shotgun cap cap for sure. Learn something new everyday.
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 18, 2015, 05:14:43 PM
Huh. I've never thought to use a snap cap in a shot gun. Snap caps are important for rimfire, but I thought all modern centerfire (and a shotgun is really just another kind of centerfire) were fine to dry fire. Maybe that's not true, but I've dry fired a lot of shotguns a lot of times and have never had a firing pin problem. :think:
Regardless, I'd probably just make my own "snap cap" out of an old shotgun shell.
On to another question:
When shoot clays, is there a significant disadvantage to using a 20 ga (in comparison to 12 ga), because there are fewer pellets going down range? I always sort of figured it was theoretical only, but maybe that's not true.
Regardless, I prefer the gentler kick of the 20ga.
Can't say as I have ever dry fired a shotgun.
Never seen a shotgun cap cap for sure. Learn something new everyday.
At the end of the day, do you fire off the last shells or do you rack them out? If you rack them out, how do you relieve trigger pressure?
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 18, 2015, 05:17:28 PM
Huh. I've never thought to use a snap cap in a shot gun. Snap caps are important for rimfire, but I thought all modern centerfire (and a shotgun is really just another kind of centerfire) were fine to dry fire. Maybe that's not true, but I've dry fired a lot of shotguns a lot of times and have never had a firing pin problem. :think:
Regardless, I'd probably just make my own "snap cap" out of an old shotgun shell.
On to another question:
When shoot clays, is there a significant disadvantage to using a 20 ga (in comparison to 12 ga), because there are fewer pellets going down range? I always sort of figured it was theoretical only, but maybe that's not true.
Regardless, I prefer the gentler kick of the 20ga.
Can't say as I have ever dry fired a shotgun.
Never seen a shotgun cap cap for sure. Learn something new everyday.
At the end of the day, do you fire off the last shells or do you rack them out? If you rack them out, how do you relieve trigger pressure?
Like keep my shotgun unloaded?
:rofl:
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 18, 2015, 05:31:11 PM
Huh. I've never thought to use a snap cap in a shot gun. Snap caps are important for rimfire, but I thought all modern centerfire (and a shotgun is really just another kind of centerfire) were fine to dry fire. Maybe that's not true, but I've dry fired a lot of shotguns a lot of times and have never had a firing pin problem. :think:
Regardless, I'd probably just make my own "snap cap" out of an old shotgun shell.
On to another question:
When shoot clays, is there a significant disadvantage to using a 20 ga (in comparison to 12 ga), because there are fewer pellets going down range? I always sort of figured it was theoretical only, but maybe that's not true.
Regardless, I prefer the gentler kick of the 20ga.
Can't say as I have ever dry fired a shotgun.
Never seen a shotgun cap cap for sure. Learn something new everyday.
At the end of the day, do you fire off the last shells or do you rack them out? If you rack them out, how do you relieve trigger pressure?
Like keep my shotgun unloaded?
:rofl:
:D
Somehow, I hear banjos in my head when I read that. ;)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 18, 2015, 05:36:40 PM
Huh. I've never thought to use a snap cap in a shot gun. Snap caps are important for rimfire, but I thought all modern centerfire (and a shotgun is really just another kind of centerfire) were fine to dry fire. Maybe that's not true, but I've dry fired a lot of shotguns a lot of times and have never had a firing pin problem. :think:
Regardless, I'd probably just make my own "snap cap" out of an old shotgun shell.
On to another question:
When shoot clays, is there a significant disadvantage to using a 20 ga (in comparison to 12 ga), because there are fewer pellets going down range? I always sort of figured it was theoretical only, but maybe that's not true.
Regardless, I prefer the gentler kick of the 20ga.
Can't say as I have ever dry fired a shotgun.
Never seen a shotgun cap cap for sure. Learn something new everyday.
At the end of the day, do you fire off the last shells or do you rack them out? If you rack them out, how do you relieve trigger pressure?
Like keep my shotgun unloaded?
:rofl:
:D
Somehow, I hear banjos in my head when I read that. ;)
That's funny.
Post by: Whoey on March 18, 2015, 05:45:12 PM
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Post by: dks on March 18, 2015, 05:55:40 PM
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They are really designed for people who store their gun assembled. You put them in and fire the gun. Unfortunately after a few times they begin to crack.. (especially if you take the gun apart and try to fire the pins using them, hitting the plastic instead of the metal... :facepalm: )
A used cartridge sound like a good idea, but, if you get into the habit of firing your gun with them to relieve the pressure on the springs (many people do that) there is always the chance that you will get a loaded cartridge/shell accidentally and use that since they look the same.
On most modern double barrel shotguns when you take the gun apart for storage you also cock, automatically, the pins. When I take the gun apart I use a piece of hard plastic to fire the pins which I keep in the case.
With respect to the springs getting damaged (softening or breaking) if kept under pressure/tension opinions vary. Some say it does not matter (and from a purely theoretical physics point of view it should not affect them) but, as we know when we leave a knife backspring "loaded" to soften it, if you do it the spring softens. I believe that this is because some microcracks happen in the spring, making it weaker.
With respect to dry firing your pins, the issue is twofold - you may damage/distort/break the pins OR make the hole through which they stick out larger by letting the fire through it without anything to stop it. It all depends on the size of the pins, the overall firing system, the quality etc.
Personally I always like to release the pressure on the springs, gently, especially on older and/or handmade guns where it may be very hard to find a replacement spring
Post by: jerseydevil on March 18, 2015, 06:45:41 PM
When shoot clays, is there a significant disadvantage to using a 20 ga (in comparison to 12 ga), because there are fewer pellets going down range? I always sort of figured it was theoretical only, but maybe that's not true.
In my opinion, it's theoretical. I've broken way too many clays with my 20ga pump gun. There are many speSmurfpillst trap and skeet guns chambered for 28ga, as well as many dedicated upland bird guns also chambered for the 28. I feel that the smaller guns handle easier than a 12, though this is in the case of shotguns like my old Stevens pump that were built specifically for the smaller shell and are lighter and a bit more graceful than a 12.
Post by: captain spaulding on March 18, 2015, 08:34:36 PM
With respect to the springs getting damaged (softening or breaking) if kept under pressure/tension opinions vary. Some say it does not matter (and from a purely theoretical physics point of view it should not affect them) but, as we know when we leave a knife backspring "loaded" to soften it, if you do it the spring softens. I believe that this is because some microcracks happen in the spring, making it weaker.
I personally am not sure where I fall on this. I do know the springs will weaken with use. Being compressed and decompressed over and over again. As far as leaving a spring compressed goes I do not think you can compare a knifes back spring and a firearms magazine or firing pin spring as one in the same. They are completely different springs and will react differently. All I know is people have found 1911 magazines fully loaded from World War 1 and fired them through a 1911 without issue. Take it for what it is, but that's a looooong time to have a spring compressed and it functioned perfectly. Now think about how much better the metal and springs are we are using now a days and you should not have any problems leaving a spring compressed. With all this said I still release any spring tension like on a striker fired pistol, but theoretically you should be good either way.
As far as snap caps go I never use them and probably never will. I can see the need for rimfire, but I still do not use them. For center fire I guess it is possible to cause damage to the hole that the firing pin protrudes from, but honestly I have never seen it happen and it is not a issue for me. I'm not saying snap caps are not a good idea though.
Post by: Chako on March 18, 2015, 10:35:15 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on March 18, 2015, 10:37:26 PM
I bought them so that I could safely practise loading the shotgun for competition down the road...in my home. Not all that keen using used shells....from a safety standpoint.
I would say that is a excellent idea. I'n your situation the snap caps are definitely a must have. :tu:
Post by: zoidberg on March 18, 2015, 10:40:04 PM
I bought them so that I could safely practise loading the shotgun for competition down the road...in my home. Not all that keen using used shells....from a safety standpoint.
Eh, don't you know what you're doing?
Post by: Chako on March 18, 2015, 10:44:04 PM
I thought it might be advantageous to be able to practice speed loading single shells into the chamber. That is why I bought those two snap caps. So that I could do that safely and hone my skills. I hear it is a good thing to train your muscle memory.
Post by: captain spaulding on March 18, 2015, 10:49:46 PM
Do you? :think:
I thought it might be advantageous to be able to practice speed loading single shells into the chamber. That is why I bought those two snap caps. So that I could do that safely and hone my skills. I hear it is a good thing to train your muscle memory.
You would be correct.
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 18, 2015, 10:55:33 PM
There is a strong school of thought that practicing loading with snap caps encourages lazy thinking and careless handling of ammunition. These folks say, "Look, you're practicing with something you know is safe. Either you treat live ammunition differently (knowing that it's real) or you encourage careless handling of live ammunition (because you've trained to harmless snap caps, which may lead to unnecessaary carelessness with live ammo.)"
If you want to really practice, I would suggest installing a filed off firing pin and practice with live ammo. On an 870, swapping firing pins isn't all that difficult (from what I've seen ).
Post by: Chako on March 18, 2015, 11:35:28 PM
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 19, 2015, 12:17:31 AM
I've loaded and unloaded guns in my home for years and years. No misfires, no holes in the ceiling. Do you have difficulties accidentally discharging nailguns too? :pok:
Post by: jerseydevil on March 19, 2015, 12:56:49 AM
Post by: Chako on March 19, 2015, 01:39:37 AM
Post by: Megan on March 19, 2015, 01:55:56 AM
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 19, 2015, 02:13:00 AM
We have trickier laws for all of this here in Canada too.
You can't load a weapon in your home in Canada? :pok:
Really though, the point here is, when you're unfamiliar, you practice, slow, deliberate actions, watching where you have the gun pointed and thinking about each step you take and why. When you're comfortable with the basics, you can practice smooth increased rate of loading (if that's important to you).
:)
Post by: Chako on March 19, 2015, 06:33:56 AM
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 19, 2015, 05:12:25 PM
Looks like I'm going to have to use a little shotgun action to rid myself of a couple marauding raccoons. I've photographed them with a trail cam and they are ransacking the birdseed containers.
I think I'll be using the Benelli semiauto (Montefeltro), mostly because it's lighter (and it feeds the next shell for me, so I can concentrate on where the little buggers are scurrying.)
Post by: captain spaulding on March 19, 2015, 10:06:32 PM
Back on track:
Looks like I'm going to have to use a little shotgun action to rid myself of a couple marauding raccoons. I've photographed them with a trail cam and they are ransacking the birdseed containers.
I think I'll be using the Benelli semiauto (Montefeltro), mostly because it's lighter (and it feeds the next shell for me, so I can concentrate on where the little buggers are scurrying.)
get those little SOB's.
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 20, 2015, 01:58:37 AM
Back on track:
Looks like I'm going to have to use a little shotgun action to rid myself of a couple marauding raccoons. I've photographed them with a trail cam and they are ransacking the birdseed containers.
I think I'll be using the Benelli semiauto (Montefeltro), mostly because it's lighter (and it feeds the next shell for me, so I can concentrate on where the little buggers are scurrying.)
get those little SOB's.
Ya' know,
A running raccoon at night is a tough target...
Unless you're using a shotgun :D
First shell clipped 'em, and the second finished the job.
No misfeeds either. ;)
Post by: captain spaulding on March 20, 2015, 02:01:17 AM
Back on track:
Looks like I'm going to have to use a little shotgun action to rid myself of a couple marauding raccoons. I've photographed them with a trail cam and they are ransacking the birdseed containers.
I think I'll be using the Benelli semiauto (Montefeltro), mostly because it's lighter (and it feeds the next shell for me, so I can concentrate on where the little buggers are scurrying.)
get those little SOB's.
Ya' know,
A running raccoon at night is a tough target...
Unless you're using a shotgun :D
First shell clipped 'em, and the second finished the job.
No misfeeds either. ;)
Now time to relax with a cold one.
Post by: SAK Guy on March 20, 2015, 03:16:42 AM
Back on track:
Looks like I'm going to have to use a little shotgun action to rid myself of a couple marauding raccoons. I've photographed them with a trail cam and they are ransacking the birdseed containers.
I think I'll be using the Benelli semiauto (Montefeltro), mostly because it's lighter (and it feeds the next shell for me, so I can concentrate on where the little buggers are scurrying.)
get those little SOB's.
Ya' know,
A running raccoon at night is a tough target...
Unless you're using a shotgun :D
First shell clipped 'em, and the second finished the job.
No misfeeds either. ;)
Now time to relax with a cold one.
It's Miller Time! :D
Post by: dks on March 20, 2015, 07:35:12 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 20, 2015, 08:19:28 AM
With respect to the springs getting damaged (softening or breaking) if kept under pressure/tension opinions vary. Some say it does not matter (and from a purely theoretical physics point of view it should not affect them) but, as we know when we leave a knife backspring "loaded" to soften it, if you do it the spring softens. I believe that this is because some microcracks happen in the spring, making it weaker.
I personally am not sure where I fall on this. I do know the springs will weaken with use. Being compressed and decompressed over and over again. As far as leaving a spring compressed goes I do not think you can compare a knifes back spring and a firearms magazine or firing pin spring as one in the same. They are completely different springs and will react differently. All I know is people have found 1911 magazines fully loaded from World War 1 and fired them through a 1911 without issue. Take it for what it is, but that's a looooong time to have a spring compressed and it functioned perfectly. Now think about how much better the metal and springs are we are using now a days and you should not have any problems leaving a spring compressed. With all this said I still release any spring tension like on a striker fired pistol, but theoretically you should be good either way.
As far as snap caps go I never use them and probably never will. I can see the need for rimfire, but I still do not use them. For center fire I guess it is possible to cause damage to the hole that the firing pin protrudes from, but honestly I have never seen it happen and it is not a issue for me. I'm not saying snap caps are not a good idea though.
I am firmly in the leaving the spring compressed does not hurt anything camp. Never had or heard of an issue over a lifetime of working gun related jobs.
Do you? :think:
I thought it might be advantageous to be able to practice speed loading single shells into the chamber. That is why I bought those two snap caps. So that I could do that safely and hone my skills. I hear it is a good thing to train your muscle memory.
You would be correct.
Yes tons of practice is good and since it is against the law and you do not feel safe using live ammo for reloading practice I can see the reason for the Snaps Chako. Not trying to say my way is the only way or talk down to anyone.
I just always treat my weapons like they are loaded and unsafe so just use live ammo for this kind of practice. Unless I can just load an empty mag like for a semi auto pistol.
Post by: Chako on March 20, 2015, 01:32:45 PM
Still waiting for a gun belt to grace my door so that I can start practicing with my 9mm snap caps, holstering, etc. That black badge course is this May.
Worse part yet, I haven't been able to take any of my restricted guns to the range as I still do not have my ATT issued for travel to and back from the club.
In Canada, getting all of this has been one huge waiting game, and I am still not out of the process yet. :facepalm:
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 20, 2015, 04:39:39 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on March 20, 2015, 05:01:59 PM
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 20, 2015, 06:32:00 PM
(http://www.scopelist.com/images/headers/Benelli-Montefeltro.jpg)
However, there are some beautiful variants like:
(http://www.benelliusa.com/sites/default/files/styles/firearm_1004/public/originals/product-firearms/montefeltro-silver-shotgun.png?itok=zM-ie5o7)
(http://www.berettanewzealand.com/wp-content/uploads/07-720CompetitionWC20ga.jpg)
And they handle like fine furniture.
...that will put a huge hole in stuff. :D
Post by: Chako on March 20, 2015, 10:28:11 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on March 20, 2015, 11:36:46 PM
Post by: Chako on March 20, 2015, 11:46:39 PM
http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2012/9/10/the-mossberg-mvp-predator/
Post by: toolguy on March 21, 2015, 12:34:16 AM
Mine looks just like this one:
However, there are some beautiful variants like:
(http://www.berettanewzealand.com/wp-content/uploads/07-720CompetitionWC20ga.jpg)
And they handle like fine furniture.
...that will put a huge hole in stuff. :D
This is not a Benelli.
It appears to be a Franchi 720 Sporting clays gun [Competition] and I believe they are discontinued
Post by: SAK Guy on March 21, 2015, 12:35:13 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on March 21, 2015, 12:37:32 AM
Its the GLOCK 43 if anyone is interested.
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 21, 2015, 12:54:52 AM
I was at the local gun shop eyeing their wares when I spied this beautiful rifle. Not sure if one is in my future, but I like the looks of it.
http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2012/9/10/the-mossberg-mvp-predator/
Mossbergs have a stellar reputation. They say you can drag it through the mud and as long as the barrel isn't packed, it'll still feed and fire.
To me, the Mossberg 500 was a little more rattley than the 870, but it was close!
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 21, 2015, 12:57:07 AM
Mine looks just like this one:
However, there are some beautiful variants like:
(http://www.berettanewzealand.com/wp-content/uploads/07-720CompetitionWC20ga.jpg)
And they handle like fine furniture.
...that will put a huge hole in stuff. :D
This is not a Benelli.
It appears to be a Franchi 720 Sporting clays gun [Competition] and I believe they are discontinued
I had to look that up. It is a Franchi 720. Made by Benelli ;) (So it's not a Montefeltro)
Post by: toolguy on March 21, 2015, 01:03:22 AM
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 21, 2015, 01:10:42 AM
Quote
Franchi products include the military SPAS-12 and SPAS-15 and the sporting-type long-recoil action AL-48. Franchi are renowned for their semi-automatic shotguns and are a division of Benelli.
:think:
Post by: toolguy on March 21, 2015, 01:20:26 AM
Luigi Franchi S.p.A. logo
Luigi Franchi S.p.A. (Italian pronunciation: [luˈiːdʒi fraŋki]) is an Italian manufacturer of firearms.
Franchi products include the military SPAS-12 and SPAS-15 and the sporting-type long-recoil action AL-48. Franchi are renowned for their semi-automatic shotguns and are a division of Benelli. Franchi also makes over and under shotguns.
Franchi remained a family business since its founding until 1987, when it was acquired by the industrial conglomerate Socimi, based in Milan; with the bankruptcy of Socimi in 1993, Franchi was acquired by the Beretta Holdings which is the current owner.
What I stated is still accurate,they are made in different factories.
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 21, 2015, 01:25:57 AM
Looks like a Chevy/ GM rebranding sort of thing. :think:
Post by: toolguy on March 21, 2015, 01:33:41 AM
Franchi started manufacturing guns around 1868 and Benelli wasn't created until 1967.Two distinctly different companies but both purchased by Beretta.
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 21, 2015, 01:43:23 AM
That was not my understanding. I'll have to look into that :salute:
Post by: toolguy on March 21, 2015, 02:11:39 AM
The model that you showed the 720 & 712 used the rotating bolt,licensed from Benelli but it was gas operated.It is no longer manufactured.The earlier Franchi guns the 48AL series were recoil operated and these are still being manufactured.
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 21, 2015, 03:01:25 AM
Sorry,I had to join my wife in watching the TV show Grimm.
The model that you showed the 720 & 712 used the rotating bolt,licensed from Benelli but it was gas operated.It is no longer manufactured.The earlier Franchi guns the 48AL series were recoil operated and these are still being manufactured.
Very interesting. My info came from the gun guy at the local Gander Mountain. He led me to believe that Franchi and Benelli were internally very similar (Not that I was ever really looking at Franchi). He implied he could order a Franchi from his Benelli distributor. They stock Benelli.
Post by: toolguy on March 21, 2015, 03:16:59 AM
Benelli is factory direct and has no distribution network.The same is true for most of the Berettas with the exception of their semi-auto shotguns,the Sako and Tikka rifles.
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 21, 2015, 03:24:03 AM
The Franchi 48-AL series is a long recoil operated system,similar to John M.Browning's A-5 shotgun that he patented at the turn of the 20TH century.The Franchi 48-AL and the Benellis have no parts in common.The only guns that had any similarity were the 720/712 series that have been discontinued.
Benelli is factory direct and has no distribution network.The same is true for most of the Berettas with the exception of their semi-auto shotguns,the Sako and Tikka rifles.
That is not what the folks at Gander Mountain tell me. When I asked about other Benellis, he told me he would have to check with his distributor about availability. On that I am sure. I wanted to look at a non camo Nova and they didn't have one
Post by: toolguy on March 21, 2015, 03:32:23 AM
Post by: toolguy on March 21, 2015, 03:39:33 AM
Benelli sells directly to the retailers and has no wholesale network.
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 21, 2015, 03:39:54 AM
Believe me when I tell you Mr.Whippy.The counter guy at Gander mountain is mistaken or he is using the term distributor inappropriately. I have access to many websites of the largest firearms distributors on the east coast and they can't carry Benellis because Benelli is factory direct.
You sound like you know what you're talking about. It makes me wonder about some of the other stuff I've heard at gunshops too.
Post by: toolguy on March 21, 2015, 03:45:48 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on March 21, 2015, 03:52:59 AM
You would not believe some of the tales I'e heard coming from people who claim to have knowledge about guns.Most of it I don't take the time to correct but everyone here has been really nice and I would like to offer the knowledge I've gained from 40 years of dealing with firearms.
+1000! I hear ya, used to own my own shop..... :facepalm:
Post by: captain spaulding on March 21, 2015, 03:57:04 AM
You would not believe some of the tales I'e heard coming from people who claim to have knowledge about guns.Most of it I don't take the time to correct but everyone here has been really nice and I would like to offer the knowledge I've gained from 40 years of dealing with firearms.
Don't get me started. I have heard so much bull crap pertaining to firearms and firearm laws from people in the shooting sports. The most BS I have heard comes from people who actually work at firearms stores, but are very much uninformed on what they are talking about, but act like they know exactly what they are talking about. I can't help myself, but to correct people when I hear this because they are spreading false information to other people which will then be passed along to who knows how many people.
This post has nothing to do with your conversation with Mr. Whippy.
Post by: toolguy on March 21, 2015, 03:59:51 AM
You would not believe some of the tales I'e heard coming from people who claim to have knowledge about guns.Most of it I don't take the time to correct but everyone here has been really nice and I would like to offer the knowledge I've gained from 40 years of dealing with firearms.
+1000! I hear ya, used to own my own shop..... :facepalm:
LOL.
I bet you've heard some real winners.
Post by: toolguy on March 21, 2015, 04:13:29 AM
You would not believe some of the tales I'e heard coming from people who claim to have knowledge about guns.Most of it I don't take the time to correct but everyone here has been really nice and I would like to offer the knowledge I've gained from 40 years of dealing with firearms.
Don't get me started. I have heard so much bull crap pertaining to firearms and firearm laws from people in the shooting sports. The most BS I have heard comes from people who actually work at firearms stores, but are very much uninformed on what they are talking about, but act like they know exactly what they are talking about. I can't help myself, but to correct people when I hear this because they are spreading false information to other people which will then be passed along to who knows how many people.
This post has nothing to do with your conversation with Mr. Whippy.
It occurs in every endeavor and every sport but some misinformation in the shooting sports can lead to dire consequences.
If it's a harmless rumor that won't affect anyone's safety I usually let it go.
Post by: SAK Guy on March 21, 2015, 04:15:22 AM
You would not believe some of the tales I'e heard coming from people who claim to have knowledge about guns.Most of it I don't take the time to correct but everyone here has been really nice and I would like to offer the knowledge I've gained from 40 years of dealing with firearms.
+1000! I hear ya, used to own my own shop..... :facepalm:
LOL.
I bet you've heard some real winners.
Oh yeah..... ;)
Post by: SAK Guy on March 21, 2015, 04:33:42 AM
You would not believe some of the tales I'e heard coming from people who claim to have knowledge about guns.Most of it I don't take the time to correct but everyone here has been really nice and I would like to offer the knowledge I've gained from 40 years of dealing with firearms.
Don't get me started. I have heard so much bull crap pertaining to firearms and firearm laws from people in the shooting sports. The most BS I have heard comes from people who actually work at firearms stores, but are very much uninformed on what they are talking about, but act like they know exactly what they are talking about. I can't help myself, but to correct people when I hear this because they are spreading false information to other people which will then be passed along to who knows how many people.
This post has nothing to do with your conversation with Mr. Whippy.
From his posts, Mr Whippy is the kind of well spoken, intelligent customer I was always glad to see in my store. :tu:
Post by: Chako on March 21, 2015, 04:42:00 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on March 21, 2015, 06:17:19 AM
You would not believe some of the tales I'e heard coming from people who claim to have knowledge about guns.Most of it I don't take the time to correct but everyone here has been really nice and I would like to offer the knowledge I've gained from 40 years of dealing with firearms.
Don't get me started. I have heard so much bull crap pertaining to firearms and firearm laws from people in the shooting sports. The most BS I have heard comes from people who actually work at firearms stores, but are very much uninformed on what they are talking about, but act like they know exactly what they are talking about. I can't help myself, but to correct people when I hear this because they are spreading false information to other people which will then be passed along to who knows how many people.
This post has nothing to do with your conversation with Mr. Whippy.
From his posts, Mr Whippy is the kind of well spoken, intelligent customer I was always glad to see in my store. :tu:
Agreed.
Post by: captain spaulding on March 21, 2015, 06:17:57 AM
As someone new to the shooting sports, I have caught quite a few BS things from the fine folks at the local gun shop. Funny thing is that no matter how much I research things, I did fall into that trap twice...to my regret. Now I am a far more informed buyer, and won't be easily mislead by a few tall tellers behind the counter. :facepalm:
Its the natural progression of things. I'm sure your good to go now. :tu:
Post by: dks on March 21, 2015, 10:24:23 AM
If you look at the number of French, German and Italian makers that were producing good shotguns 40, 50, 80 years ago you will be surprised by the fact that now there are just a few large companies owning most of the brands still left...
Post by: Chako on March 21, 2015, 01:42:55 PM
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 21, 2015, 02:09:01 PM
Continuing, from a few posts above, it is a shame how many shotgun makers have disappeared, even in the past ten years. Just looking at the Spanish makers, most of them, even the well known ones have merged, merged again and disappeared.I would love to hear and see a little about some of these small and now defunct shotgun makers. :)
If you look at the number of French, German and Italian makers that were producing good shotguns 40, 50, 80 years ago you will be surprised by the fact that now there are just a few large companies owning most of the brands still left...
Post by: toolguy on March 21, 2015, 03:31:51 PM
Turkey appears to be flooding the market these days.
They have cheap labor but more importantly they have an abundance of walnut.This is the wood favored by gunmakers for its qualities desirable for gunstocks.
Post by: dks on March 21, 2015, 03:42:15 PM
A typical example of what happened recently was the Zabala Hermanos (brothers) story. They used to make some really well regarded O/U and S/S shotguns for many years. They were known for solid guns, that performed well at a reasonable price. They were also imported and distributed in the US by one of the main rebranders, whose name now escapes me. Then a few years ago they joined Laurona (most Shotgun people will know the name) and became Laurona Zabala. Then Laurona was acquired by Norica and became Norica Laurona. Then the Laurona name dissappeared too and now Norica seems to be just selling airguns..
In the olden days there were various makers in many areas of Europe that will buy barrels or other parts from a factory/maker and build a gun around that. Areas like Eibar, Saint Etienne, and many more in Germany, Italy etc. would house several craftsmen/family businesses that made shotguns, sometimes under similar names as they would be related.
The Mediterranean based ones would make lighter guns, designed for walking and small game, whereas the British, German ones will make heavier guns designed for shooting larger game or for shooting from the same position (e.g. driven peasant) where the weight of the gun was less important than the smooth swing and load, or they were designed to be carried by helpers etc. Some guns had/have very expensive decorations on them.
Makers from the Mediterranean wanting to build a heavier duty gun would buy barrels from Germany (which is why you see many Italian guns with STAHL on the barrels).
These craftsmen, and this is important, were not making expensive guns by hand but they were making really good, guns for all people. Even now with the fancy guns most of the cost is in the nice engraving/gold leaf etc.
The economic situation, the globalisation, the trend for overbuilt guns that could be used for clay shooting all day has killed most of these family run businesses.
There is nothing like a nice, light S/S that does not shoot/need to shoot Magnum loads and which you can carry all day with you. It is so nice to see people outshooting you, whilst hunting, carrying an old, 50, 60 yer old shotgun with just 28g loads.
Post by: toolguy on March 21, 2015, 04:14:18 PM
These were small companies with as few as 20 workers and they would turn out as few as 2-300 guns a years.
A similar region exists in Italy.Brescia,which is located in the Gardone Valley of Northern Italy,is known for such makers as Beretta,Benelli, Chiappa,Franchi,Caesar Guerini,Perazzi,Tanfoglio,Uberti and many more that escape me at this moment.
Post by: Chako on March 21, 2015, 08:20:32 PM
Got my one Hi-Point mag back in better than original working order. The local gun shop did a great job on it. :tu:
EDIT: And just to show you how pathetic I can get, whilst waiting for my authorization to transport my restricted firearms back and forth to the range, I have taken up playing Counter Strike Global Offensive with bots set to the hardest settings. :facepalm:
Post by: SAK Guy on March 22, 2015, 04:34:29 PM
I have read several good reviews on Turkish shotguns online. They do appear to come in at a nice price point.
Got my one Hi-Point mag back in better than original working order. The local gun shop did a great job on it. :tu:
EDIT: And just to show you how pathetic I can get, whilst waiting for my authorization to transport my restricted firearms back and forth to the range, I have taken up playing Counter Strike Global Offensive with bots set to the hardest settings. :facepalm:
Cool, will have to check that out. I still play Call of Duty MW3 on my Wii. Keeps the hand eye coordination sharp. My health keeps me from shooting as much as I would like.
I snag a screenshot now and then to send to my grandson...we started out playing COD together on the PS2, moved to the Wii and now he's moved on to a PS3...my RA (and finances) prevents me from moving up in systems.
Post by: ducttapetech on March 23, 2015, 12:53:39 PM
Nice awards by the way.
Post by: SAK Guy on March 23, 2015, 05:29:31 PM
Back in the gun shop days, it was nothing to go to the range or caliche pit and shoot 400-600 rounds of mixed calibers in an afternoon...mostly centerfire rifle/pistol stuff. When I was shooting combat (early 80's) it was 4-500 rds every weekend. Probably haven't shot 100 rounds of real ammo in the last 5 years. Health too lousy. :(
Now days, it's mostly dispatching a skunk etc, the occasional cylinder/magazine to check function and plinking with kids/grandkids but mostly just watch/supervise.
Post by: ducttapetech on March 23, 2015, 05:32:47 PM
Post by: kirk13 on March 24, 2015, 12:29:31 AM
LOL Thanks! Digital shooting is cheaper! :rofl: But even shooting 22's are getting expensive, esp when there's run's on ammo and everyone's out of stock.
Back in the gun shop days, it was nothing to go to the range or caliche pit and shoot 400-600 rounds of mixed calibers in an afternoon...mostly centerfire rifle/pistol stuff. When I was shooting combat (early 80's) it was 4-500 rds every weekend. Probably haven't shot 100 rounds of real ammo in the last 5 years. Health too lousy. :(
Now days, it's mostly dispatching a skunk etc, the occasional cylinder/magazine to check function and plinking with kids/grandkids but mostly just watch/supervise.
You need a air rifle :pok: 500 pellets for ten bucks?
Post by: Gareth on March 24, 2015, 12:36:27 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on March 24, 2015, 01:01:08 AM
LOL Thanks! Digital shooting is cheaper! :rofl: But even shooting 22's are getting expensive, esp when there's run's on ammo and everyone's out of stock.
Back in the gun shop days, it was nothing to go to the range or caliche pit and shoot 400-600 rounds of mixed calibers in an afternoon...mostly centerfire rifle/pistol stuff. When I was shooting combat (early 80's) it was 4-500 rds every weekend. Probably haven't shot 100 rounds of real ammo in the last 5 years. Health too lousy. :(
Now days, it's mostly dispatching a skunk etc, the occasional cylinder/magazine to check function and plinking with kids/grandkids but mostly just watch/supervise.
You need a air rifle :pok: 500 pellets for ten bucks?
Yes I do!! I had my old 60's Benjamin 22 pump stolen in the 90's...learned to shoot on that gun. :(
If I get some money at some point.....I'll look for a 22 airgun.
Post by: SAK Guy on March 24, 2015, 01:10:39 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 26, 2015, 02:40:58 PM
LOL Thanks! Digital shooting is cheaper! :rofl: But even shooting 22's are getting expensive, esp when there's run's on ammo and everyone's out of stock.
Back in the gun shop days, it was nothing to go to the range or caliche pit and shoot 400-600 rounds of mixed calibers in an afternoon...mostly centerfire rifle/pistol stuff. When I was shooting combat (early 80's) it was 4-500 rds every weekend. Probably haven't shot 100 rounds of real ammo in the last 5 years. Health too lousy. :(
Now days, it's mostly dispatching a skunk etc, the occasional cylinder/magazine to check function and plinking with kids/grandkids but mostly just watch/supervise.
You need a air rifle :pok: 500 pellets for ten bucks?
Or a bow, that is my plan.
Post by: jerseydevil on March 26, 2015, 03:18:56 PM
LOL Thanks! Digital shooting is cheaper! :rofl: But even shooting 22's are getting expensive, esp when there's run's on ammo and everyone's out of stock.
Back in the gun shop days, it was nothing to go to the range or caliche pit and shoot 400-600 rounds of mixed calibers in an afternoon...mostly centerfire rifle/pistol stuff. When I was shooting combat (early 80's) it was 4-500 rds every weekend. Probably haven't shot 100 rounds of real ammo in the last 5 years. Health too lousy. :(
Now days, it's mostly dispatching a skunk etc, the occasional cylinder/magazine to check function and plinking with kids/grandkids but mostly just watch/supervise.
You need a air rifle :pok: 500 pellets for ten bucks?OrAnd a bow, that is my plan.
Fixed. ;)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on March 26, 2015, 03:22:31 PM
LOL Thanks! Digital shooting is cheaper! :rofl: But even shooting 22's are getting expensive, esp when there's run's on ammo and everyone's out of stock.
Back in the gun shop days, it was nothing to go to the range or caliche pit and shoot 400-600 rounds of mixed calibers in an afternoon...mostly centerfire rifle/pistol stuff. When I was shooting combat (early 80's) it was 4-500 rds every weekend. Probably haven't shot 100 rounds of real ammo in the last 5 years. Health too lousy. :(
Now days, it's mostly dispatching a skunk etc, the occasional cylinder/magazine to check function and plinking with kids/grandkids but mostly just watch/supervise.
You need a air rifle :pok: 500 pellets for ten bucks?
Or a bow, that is my plan.
I don't know, the cost of lost arrows can get pretty spendy....
Post by: kirk13 on March 26, 2015, 03:24:34 PM
LOL Thanks! Digital shooting is cheaper! :rofl: But even shooting 22's are getting expensive, esp when there's run's on ammo and everyone's out of stock.
Back in the gun shop days, it was nothing to go to the range or caliche pit and shoot 400-600 rounds of mixed calibers in an afternoon...mostly centerfire rifle/pistol stuff. When I was shooting combat (early 80's) it was 4-500 rds every weekend. Probably haven't shot 100 rounds of real ammo in the last 5 years. Health too lousy. :(
Now days, it's mostly dispatching a skunk etc, the occasional cylinder/magazine to check function and plinking with kids/grandkids but mostly just watch/supervise.
You need a air rifle :pok: 500 pellets for ten bucks?
Or a bow, that is my plan.
I don't know, the cost of lost arrows can get pretty spendy....
And there's the uniform....Harley in green tights?
:ahhh
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on March 26, 2015, 05:39:44 PM
Slingshots are a lot of fun, and a lot of them can be converted into slingbows too :)
Post by: SAK Guy on March 26, 2015, 05:59:28 PM
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on March 26, 2015, 06:47:23 PM
I have bows and slings (ever been to slinging.org?). I prob just need an air rifle.Yes I have :) I've learned a lot from that site :)
Post by: jerseydevil on March 26, 2015, 07:01:05 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on March 26, 2015, 07:10:26 PM
I have bows and slings (ever been to slinging.org?). I prob just need an air rifle.Yes I have :) I've learned a lot from that site :)
Me too like 99% of the time someone uses one on TV, it's wrong. :facepalm:
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on March 26, 2015, 07:41:39 PM
I've always wanted to try a sling, but for whatever reason never made one. Probably because I'm lazy....... ::)Give it a go mate, its worth doing. Pick somewhere quiet, as there more than a little challenging to say the least! :)
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on March 26, 2015, 07:43:38 PM
I remember seeing an episode of Lost where one of the characters did the lamest cast ever and knocked the bloke on the receiving end flying ::)I have bows and slings (ever been to slinging.org?). I prob just need an air rifle.Yes I have :) I've learned a lot from that site :)
Me too like 99% of the time someone uses one on TV, it's wrong. :facepalm:
Post by: SAK Guy on March 26, 2015, 07:57:32 PM
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Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on March 27, 2015, 09:07:37 AM
I'll have to dig mine out.....:tu:
Post by: Chako on March 27, 2015, 11:41:27 AM
I really want to start practicing with my handguns so that I can get some experience before taking my IPSC black badge course this coming May.
Post by: SAK Guy on March 28, 2015, 02:44:49 AM
I'll have to dig mine out.....:tu:
I "know exactly where they are"....
Still looking..... :poh:
Post by: Chako on March 28, 2015, 11:42:21 AM
Post by: jerseydevil on March 28, 2015, 12:59:40 PM
At least ammo is getting a little more readily available. I dumped a couple thousand rounds of my .45 reloads last weekend while I can still get a good price. I really need to load less and shoot more. This is what I get for stockpiling reloads before the crazy happened. I don't worry about crazy prepper scenarios. I can't eat the damn bullets
Several of my rifles are strictly handloading propositions. You can't exactly walk into a gun store and walk out with a box of .577/.450 Martini Henry or 11mm Mauser......
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on March 28, 2015, 02:18:13 PM
Story of my life mate :DI'll have to dig mine out.....:tu:
I "know exactly where they are"....
Still looking.....oh:
Post by: BASguy on March 29, 2015, 04:56:28 AM
That's a fact. You'd miss all the therapeutic fun of reloading as wellAt least ammo is getting a little more readily available. I dumped a couple thousand rounds of my .45 reloads last weekend while I can still get a good price. I really need to load less and shoot more. This is what I get for stockpiling reloads before the crazy happened. I don't worry about crazy prepper scenarios. I can't eat the damn bullets
Several of my rifles are strictly handloading propositions. You can't exactly walk into a gun store and walk out with a box of .577/.450 Martini Henry or 11mm Mauser......
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Post by: Chako on March 29, 2015, 06:52:13 PM
It amazes me that you can buy 22LR ammo like this.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7798small_zpsmabrj9r8.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7798small_zpsmabrj9r8.jpg.html)
First of 3 10 round Ruger rotary mags full.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7799small_zpsmsbu8lhu.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7799small_zpsmsbu8lhu.jpg.html)
Here is the first bullet to go into the 110 round rotary magazine.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7800small_zpsonxievr4.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7800small_zpsonxievr4.jpg.html)
The rotary mag is super easy to load, as you have this spring mechanism you can wind on. All you have to do once the tension is taken up, is slide the round in.
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Got a mix of Remington Golden Bullets and Winchester Super X rounds in there.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7802small_zpsqqfzxkrn.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7802small_zpsqqfzxkrn.jpg.html)
All loaded up and ready for a few hours at the range.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7804small_zpspomb6njp.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7804small_zpspomb6njp.jpg.html)
Post by: jerseydevil on March 29, 2015, 07:20:01 PM
That's a fact. You'd miss all the therapeutic fun of reloading as wellAt least ammo is getting a little more readily available. I dumped a couple thousand rounds of my .45 reloads last weekend while I can still get a good price. I really need to load less and shoot more. This is what I get for stockpiling reloads before the crazy happened. I don't worry about crazy prepper scenarios. I can't eat the damn bullets
Several of my rifles are strictly handloading propositions. You can't exactly walk into a gun store and walk out with a box of .577/.450 Martini Henry or 11mm Mauser......
Theraputic until you're cleaning brass that the guy at the shop swore was Boxer primed and you stare silently before cursing Hiram Berdan's immortal soul to handloading hell.... :rant:
Post by: BASguy on March 29, 2015, 08:03:26 PM
LOLThat's a fact. You'd miss all the therapeutic fun of reloading as wellAt least ammo is getting a little more readily available. I dumped a couple thousand rounds of my .45 reloads last weekend while I can still get a good price. I really need to load less and shoot more. This is what I get for stockpiling reloads before the crazy happened. I don't worry about crazy prepper scenarios. I can't eat the damn bullets
Several of my rifles are strictly handloading propositions. You can't exactly walk into a gun store and walk out with a box of .577/.450 Martini Henry or 11mm Mauser......
Theraputic until you're cleaning brass that the guy at the shop swore was Boxer primed and you stare silently before cursing Hiram Berdan's immortal soul to handloading hell.... :rant:
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Post by: Chako on March 30, 2015, 12:04:57 AM
I need to fine tune my scope a little, as my windage and elevation are a little off. These were at 100 yards. Still was fun to burn through 110 rounds in rapid fire. :tu:
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7805small_zps2gavnnme.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7805small_zps2gavnnme.jpg.html)
This was a little more deliberate.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7806small_zpsrkp0acoo.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7806small_zpsrkp0acoo.jpg.html)
I have gotten into the habit of replenishing my stock after I use some up.
I think I am up to around 1700 9 mm rounds.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7808small_zpsgd5ticuu.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7808small_zpsgd5ticuu.jpg.html)
250 12 gauge shells.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7809small_zpss3xrj6v4.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7809small_zpss3xrj6v4.jpg.html)
4200 22LR ammo.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7810small_zps6gdr0qx8.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7810small_zps6gdr0qx8.jpg.html)
This being the third time out with the Ruger 10/22, I will say, no more issues with ammunition as with the first time. This rifle eats anything I now give it. All it needed was a little cleaning. :tu:
Post by: captain spaulding on March 30, 2015, 12:17:58 AM
Nice stash of ammo. You can never have to much. I used to always replace what I shot that day to keep the stock up as well.
Post by: SAK Guy on March 30, 2015, 12:40:38 AM
Glad to hear the 10/22 is performing better now. :tu:
Nice stash of ammo. You can never have to much. I used to always replace what I shot that day to keep the stock up as well.
Excellent discipline Captain!! :2tu:
Post by: captain spaulding on March 30, 2015, 12:45:09 AM
Glad to hear the 10/22 is performing better now. :tu:
Nice stash of ammo. You can never have to much. I used to always replace what I shot that day to keep the stock up as well.
Excellent discipline Captain!! :2tu:
Why thank you.
Post by: Chako on March 30, 2015, 01:01:39 AM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7807small_zpsvju0xqzc.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7807small_zpsvju0xqzc.jpg.html)
Post by: SAK Guy on March 30, 2015, 01:07:46 AM
Post by: Chako on March 30, 2015, 01:24:33 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 30, 2015, 01:47:46 AM
Checked around here and everything is in stock.
Post by: captain spaulding on March 30, 2015, 02:01:52 AM
I am just glad there is ammo to buy again.
Checked around here and everything is in stock.
Even .22lr. We still have the .22 hoarders taking it all.
I literally have not seen a single box of .22lr for sale in 2 years.
Post by: Chako on March 30, 2015, 02:40:49 AM
The local Canadian Tire has quite a lot of 22LR in stock. I do know some of the smaller shops can't get any however.
Post by: captain spaulding on March 30, 2015, 02:44:09 AM
Wow. :o
The local Canadian Tire has quite a lot of 22LR in stock. I do know some of the smaller shops can't get any however.
Yea, it sucks.
.223 is like that right now as well. Their was a bill that they were trying to pass to ban certain .223 rounds. Everyone got scared and bought it all up. The bill did not pass. Now they changed it slightly and are trying to push it through again so I assume certain .223 will be impossible to find in certain areas.
Post by: BASguy on March 30, 2015, 02:48:29 AM
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Post by: captain spaulding on March 30, 2015, 02:56:30 AM
The .22 hoarding is pretty annoying. Obama is a moron, but this long term reaction is really beyond ridiculous now.
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Agreed, but we do not talk politics on the forum. :salute:
Edit: I guess I kind of was talking politics in my previous post so I am as guilty as anyone. :facepalm:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 30, 2015, 03:36:41 PM
LOLThat's a fact. You'd miss all the therapeutic fun of reloading as wellAt least ammo is getting a little more readily available. I dumped a couple thousand rounds of my .45 reloads last weekend while I can still get a good price. I really need to load less and shoot more. This is what I get for stockpiling reloads before the crazy happened. I don't worry about crazy prepper scenarios. I can't eat the damn bullets
Several of my rifles are strictly handloading propositions. You can't exactly walk into a gun store and walk out with a box of .577/.450 Martini Henry or 11mm Mauser......
Theraputic until you're cleaning brass that the guy at the shop swore was Boxer primed and you stare silently before cursing Hiram Berdan's immortal soul to handloading hell.... :rant:
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You know someone was behind the scenes telling Berdan that the whole different primer thing waas a great idea and being able to reprime bullets easy is dumb.
Post by: BASguy on March 31, 2015, 01:57:25 AM
The .22 hoarding is pretty annoying. Obama is a moron, but this long term reaction is really beyond ridiculous now.
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Agreed, but we do not talk politics on the forum. :salute:
Edit: I guess I kind of was talking politics in my previous post so I am as guilty as anyone. :facepalm:
LOL... I wasn't thinking about it as political, but I see your point.
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Post by: Chako on March 31, 2015, 03:12:44 AM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7882small_zpstihq3hgf.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7882small_zpstihq3hgf.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7883small_zps72h6jhcv.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7883small_zps72h6jhcv.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7887small_zpsu0aulaoh.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7887small_zpsu0aulaoh.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7889small_zpsn6mpqu5b.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7889small_zpsn6mpqu5b.jpg.html)
Post by: captain spaulding on March 31, 2015, 04:34:15 AM
Around here they are a red plastic as to not get them mixed up with live ammo.
Post by: Chako on March 31, 2015, 12:37:10 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 31, 2015, 02:13:49 PM
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/albums/Harley%27s-Stuff/0301152345c.jpg?m=1427597676)
Post by: Megan on March 31, 2015, 05:20:25 PM
Despite the bad grip in this photo. Don't make fun of my newbie grip in this photo. It is getting better.
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Post by: Chako on March 31, 2015, 06:07:39 PM
Harley, what is that unit just before your front sights? Some sort of flashlight laser combo?
Post by: pfrsantos on March 31, 2015, 06:11:25 PM
I want a firearms badge!
Despite the bad grip in this photo. Don't make fun of my newbie grip in this photo. It is getting better.
If it works for you, keep it up!
:salute: :tu:
Post by: captain spaulding on March 31, 2015, 06:16:35 PM
Looking good. My club doesn't have any indoor range. We do however, have 5 outdoor ones with shooting huts and all.
Harley, what is that unit just before your front sights? Some sort of flashlight laser combo?
I believe you are correct.
Post by: kosmo on March 31, 2015, 07:22:51 PM
Previously, I had an 8" bull .41 Magnum barrel, that could appropriately be called "Mr. Flinchy".
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a9/54/55/a95455c979778283965d330c067be927.jpg)
Post by: matzesu on March 31, 2015, 07:37:00 PM
And this 100 Round Barrel Magazin looks like fun to shoot, but not to load..
And no fun to pay the Ammo ..
And this Magnum over my post also looks cool,
In Germany, they have Screws in this quantitis in theyre travers, you have Ammo..
Post by: SAK Guy on March 31, 2015, 08:52:43 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 31, 2015, 09:47:33 PM
I want a firearms badge!
Despite the bad grip in this photo. Don't make fun of my newbie grip in this photo. It is getting better.
(https://scontent-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/11082191_10100582390327859_6850145646072825427_o.jpg)
What is up with that noob grip?! :pok:
Looking good. My club doesn't have any indoor range. We do however, have 5 outdoor ones with shooting huts and all.
Harley, what is that unit just before your front sights? Some sort of flashlight laser combo?
The thing is a AN PEQ 15. Mostly used for infrared aiming and marking but it does have a IR flood and a visable light laser.
Post by: kirk13 on April 01, 2015, 12:10:49 AM
Me and my TC Contender 357 Magnum 8" Bull... and my 84mm Electrician
Previously, I had an 8" bull .41 Magnum barrel, that could appropriately be called "Mr. Flinchy".
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a9/54/55/a95455c979778283965d330c067be927.jpg)
Contenders are so cool! :drool:
Post by: kosmo on April 01, 2015, 12:28:22 AM
Contenders are so cool! :drool:
I've owned other Thompson Centers for a couple of decades, but I didn't get the Contender until a few years ago. I really like it.
Post by: shark_za on April 01, 2015, 10:58:18 AM
My Smith and Wesson 042
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a200/shark_za/Glock/Smith042_zps9ea8f351.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/shark_za/media/Glock/Smith042_zps9ea8f351.jpg.html)
Star Model BS - ex Army Issue
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a200/shark_za/SAK/E1C9E8E2-0193-4206-B0E8-8D6E4EBEE7C1_zpswsj6mxyr.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/shark_za/media/SAK/E1C9E8E2-0193-4206-B0E8-8D6E4EBEE7C1_zpswsj6mxyr.jpg.html)
Post by: SAK Guy on April 01, 2015, 05:59:44 PM
Post by: Kampfer on April 01, 2015, 06:56:18 PM
German halftracks were like cardboard boxes.
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Post by: Mike 56 on April 02, 2015, 01:12:22 AM
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Post by: kosmo on April 02, 2015, 01:18:14 AM
I like to shoot I get out as much as I can at the range or my Nephews ranch. Twenty years a go I started hand loading my own ammo and have never looked back. Most factory ammo is loaded for speed. It doesn't take long before you are shooting much smaller groups with ammo you tuned to shoot in your gun. Here in the US we had a ammo shortage a few years back reloading supply's were also hard to come by. I have been casting my own round balls for my black powder guns. So I started collecting molds for my rifles and hand guns. Now all I pretty much shoot is cast bullets. You can load all most any rifle with a few grains of fast pistol powder and the cost is about 7 cents a round. They shoot very quite and have no recoil in fact my AK 47 sounds suppressed. Here is a pic one of my hand gun kits it's about everything you need to load a 357/38SP. I have kits like for 45ACP, 45 Colt, M95 Nagant Gas seal ammo, 54R and X39. (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/04/01/4cad6fb20f42a01c9a51af790c3f500d.jpg)
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A 4" GP100? I like that model. :tu:
Post by: BASguy on April 02, 2015, 02:22:08 AM
I like to shoot I get out as much as I can at the range or my Nephews ranch. Twenty years a go I started hand loading my own ammo and have never looked back. Most factory ammo is loaded for speed. It doesn't take long before you are shooting much smaller groups with ammo you tuned to shoot in your gun. Here in the US we had a ammo shortage a few years back reloading supply's were also hard to come by. I have been casting my own round balls for my black powder guns. So I started collecting molds for my rifles and hand guns. Now all I pretty much shoot is cast bullets. You can load all most any rifle with a few grains of fast pistol powder and the cost is about 7 cents a round. They shoot very quite and have no recoil in fact my AK 47 sounds suppressed. Here is a pic one of my hand gun kits it's about everything you need to load a 357/38SP. I have kits like for 45ACP, 45 Colt, M95 Nagant Gas seal ammo, 54R and X39. (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/04/01/4cad6fb20f42a01c9a51af790c3f500d.jpg)
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A 4" GP100? I like that model. :tu:
That's my problem, reloads got so cheap that I literally had half of one of the garages filled with ammo. Ridiculous....
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Post by: Chako on April 02, 2015, 03:03:24 AM
Every Wednesday, the club has a feast for 15 dollars. It is a way to socialize and make some money for the club. Well tonight, I had Italian sausages, deer venison steaks, salad, and the best blueberry cheese Pie with a heaping side of marble ice cream. :drool:
Best part, I now have everything I need to transport my restricted handguns to the range. :cheers:
I am also signed and paid up for the Black Badge course next month. Looks like I have everything i need to get going....finally.
Post by: SAK Guy on April 02, 2015, 03:18:17 AM
Post by: jerseydevil on April 02, 2015, 03:19:48 AM
Star Model BS - ex Army Issue
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a200/shark_za/SAK/E1C9E8E2-0193-4206-B0E8-8D6E4EBEE7C1_zpswsj6mxyr.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/shark_za/media/SAK/E1C9E8E2-0193-4206-B0E8-8D6E4EBEE7C1_zpswsj6mxyr.jpg.html)
Lovely. :tu: 9mm Largo? We had a Destroyer carbine for a long time, basically a miniturized M93 Mauser chambered for 9mm Largo (or Bergmann-Bayard, if you want the correct name for the round ;) ). They were used for many years by Spanish police. Neat little rifle.
Post by: captain spaulding on April 02, 2015, 04:24:35 AM
I think down the road, I may get on-board with re-loading.
Every Wednesday, the club has a feast for 15 dollars. It is a way to socialize and make some money for the club. Well tonight, I had Italian sausages, deer venison steaks, salad, and the best blueberry cheese Pie with a heaping side of marble ice cream. :drool:
Best part, I now have everything I need to transport my restricted handguns to the range. :cheers:
I am also signed and paid up for the Black Badge course next month. Looks like I have everything i need to get going....finally.
Excellent news bud! :tu:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 02, 2015, 04:50:14 AM
I like to shoot I get out as much as I can at the range or my Nephews ranch. Twenty years a go I started hand loading my own ammo and have never looked back. Most factory ammo is loaded for speed. It doesn't take long before you are shooting much smaller groups with ammo you tuned to shoot in your gun. Here in the US we had a ammo shortage a few years back reloading supply's were also hard to come by. I have been casting my own round balls for my black powder guns. So I started collecting molds for my rifles and hand guns. Now all I pretty much shoot is cast bullets. You can load all most any rifle with a few grains of fast pistol powder and the cost is about 7 cents a round. They shoot very quite and have no recoil in fact my AK 47 sounds suppressed. Here is a pic one of my hand gun kits it's about everything you need to load a 357/38SP. I have kits like for 45ACP, 45 Colt, M95 Nagant Gas seal ammo, 54R and X39. (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/04/01/4cad6fb20f42a01c9a51af790c3f500d.jpg)
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I so very much want to get started reloading.
Post by: shark_za on April 02, 2015, 07:16:11 AM
Good stuff!!!! What kind of grip is on that Smith and do you like it?
Its a Hogue Bantam and I prefer the simple Uncle Mikes boot grip over it. I have the boot grip on one of my EDC guns, an old Model 38 Airweight.
The Model 042 came from the factory with the oversize Uncle Mikes "combat" grips.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a200/shark_za/Glock/8932f4a7-7caa-416c-a4fa-a4b3e2c549b5_zps9b5826e1.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/shark_za/media/Glock/8932f4a7-7caa-416c-a4fa-a4b3e2c549b5_zps9b5826e1.jpg.html)
Post by: shark_za on April 02, 2015, 07:36:09 AM
Lovely. :tu: 9mm Largo? We had a Destroyer carbine for a long time, basically a miniturized M93 Mauser chambered for 9mm Largo (or Bergmann-Bayard, if you want the correct name for the round ;) ). They were used for many years by Spanish police. Neat little rifle.
9mm Para.
I really think they were designed for the Largo and adapted for 9mmP, hence the reliability issues.
Star Model BS , the S= magazine safety.
I have mine shooting ball quite reliably but some of the ones I shot in the army could not get a full magazine off without jamming. Magazines had to be perfect etc.
Post by: kosmo on April 02, 2015, 04:20:33 PM
Good stuff!!!! What kind of grip is on that Smith and do you like it?Its a Hogue Bantam and I prefer the simple Uncle Mikes boot grip over it. I have the boot grip on one of my EDC guns, an old Model 38 Airweight.
The Model 042 came from the factory with the oversize Uncle Mikes "combat" grips.
I see a pattern here.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a200/shark_za/Glock/8932f4a7-7caa-416c-a4fa-a4b3e2c549b5_zps9b5826e1.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/shark_za/media/Glock/8932f4a7-7caa-416c-a4fa-a4b3e2c549b5_zps9b5826e1.jpg.html)
Ruger LCR 357 Magnum with 3" Hogue grip.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d6/41/f4/d641f41253b99533dbfde6d9aac54125.jpg)
Post by: SAK Guy on April 02, 2015, 06:22:37 PM
Good stuff!!!! What kind of grip is on that Smith and do you like it?
Its a Hogue Bantam and I prefer the simple Uncle Mikes boot grip over it. I have the boot grip on one of my EDC guns, an old Model 38 Airweight.
The Model 042 came from the factory with the oversize Uncle Mikes "combat" grips.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a200/shark_za/Glock/8932f4a7-7caa-416c-a4fa-a4b3e2c549b5_zps9b5826e1.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/shark_za/media/Glock/8932f4a7-7caa-416c-a4fa-a4b3e2c549b5_zps9b5826e1.jpg.html)
Thank you!! Arthritis has settled into my middle finger, middle joint and my J frame service grips hurt to hold tight. I'm looking for a new grip or a Tyler T-Grip to fix it.
Post by: Humppa on April 02, 2015, 09:08:59 PM
I prefer the old ones like lever action guns, double barrel shotguns or bolt actiohttp://forum.multitool.org/Smileys/default/cheers.gifn rifles. Not that fan of semiautos like AR-15 :pok:
(http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee472/kampfgockel/IMG_4712_zpsvh76frcw.jpg) (http://s1229.photobucket.com/user/kampfgockel/media/IMG_4712_zpsvh76frcw.jpg.html)
My Rossi M92 octagon barrel in .357Mag with my grail knife (Queen DB Barlow)
I´m almost saving my bucks for a Swedish Mauser or a K98 or a Lee Enfield or a....
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on April 02, 2015, 11:17:27 PM
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Post by: Kampfer on April 03, 2015, 01:05:47 AM
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Post by: captain spaulding on April 03, 2015, 01:29:11 AM
Post by: BASguy on April 03, 2015, 03:29:33 AM
Not that big fan of handguns - I like long guns better. Rifles and shotguns are mine. I like the beautiful wooden stocks and a good blued steel barrel.Very nice setup.....
I prefer the old ones like lever action guns, double barrel shotguns or bolt actiohttp://forum.multitool.org/Smileys/default/cheers.gifn rifles. Not that fan of semiautos like AR-15 :pok:
(http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee472/kampfgockel/IMG_4712_zpsvh76frcw.jpg) (http://s1229.photobucket.com/user/kampfgockel/media/IMG_4712_zpsvh76frcw.jpg.html)
My Rossi M92 octagon barrel in .357Mag with my grail knife (Queen DB Barlow)
I´m almost saving my bucks for a Swedish Mauser or a K98 or a Lee Enfield or a....
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Post by: jerseydevil on April 03, 2015, 03:55:42 AM
Not that big fan of handguns - I like long guns better. Rifles and shotguns are mine. I like the beautiful wooden stocks and a good blued steel barrel.
I prefer the old ones like lever action guns, double barrel shotguns or bolt actiohttp://forum.multitool.org/Smileys/default/cheers.gifn rifles. Not that fan of semiautos like AR-15 :pok:
(http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee472/kampfgockel/IMG_4712_zpsvh76frcw.jpg) (http://s1229.photobucket.com/user/kampfgockel/media/IMG_4712_zpsvh76frcw.jpg.html)
My Rossi M92 octagon barrel in .357Mag with my grail knife (Queen DB Barlow)
I´m almost saving my bucks for a Swedish Mauser or a K98 or a Lee Enfield or a....
:D Honestly I couldn't agree more. I say get a Lee-Enfield first, a nice SMLE No. 1 Mk III. With a bit of practice you can empty one in under 10 seconds. Look up "Lee Enfield Mad Minute" on Youtube.
Post by: Chako on April 03, 2015, 09:38:20 PM
Having shot my friends. .40 caliber Glock, I am very happy I bought the 9 mm. I found the recoil to be far less. With that said, I shot around 100 rounds of 9 mm. The first 50, I was always shooting low. With the help of my friend, I figured out what I was doing wrong, and most of that was with the trigger. Once I figured out I was supposed to take up the slack and then shoot, my aiming became a lot better. Nothing great yet, but there was a big improvement. He shot the M&P and he quickly told me my trigger action was one of the nicest he has tried on the M&P. I Couldn't tell, as I was hung up on the various stages of the trigger for a while today...but I will take his word for it.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/RIMG0252small_zps41jl4aof.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/RIMG0252small_zps41jl4aof.jpg.html)
I also packed along my two .22 LR handguns. The Cimmeron Plinkerton...well what can I say other than I liked it a lot. I loved the simplicity of having a single action revolver. This gun was very accurate. The simplistic trigger and low recoil improved my grouping and aim considerably compared to the 9 mm M&P. It also feels great in the hand, being of all metal construction. If anyone is looking for a cheap single action Army style revolver, you can't go far wrong with the Cimmeron in .22 LR. I think they call this a gateway gun.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/RIMG0253small_zpscexbmzro.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/RIMG0253small_zpscexbmzro.jpg.html)
Along with the Plinkerton, I was also able to shoot my Browning Buck Mark Hunter. Both my .22 LR handguns feel a lot more substantial and solid compared to my half polymer M&P. The Buck Mark is another dream to shoot pistol. I wasn't sure if I liked the simplicity and feel of the Plinkerton or the semi-automatic Buck Mark more. I figured I enjoyed them equally. I can see a long day at the range with either one and a box or two of .22 LR ammunition. I think that would be a great way to relax and enjoy oneself.
Along with my M&P, I also brought alone the Hi-Point 995TS. What surprised me about this carbine, was how much more velocity the longer barrel gave the rounds above those of the handgun. It was very noticeable. I have no regrets buying the Hi-Point, even after finding out I will be restricted to only 5 rounds in Canada. The price is right, and shooting it was a lot of fun. I only sent about 15 rounds downrange...as I wanted to focus my time on the M&P, as the Black Badge course is coming quick on the first weekend of May.
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Here are a few down range shots in the particular shooting lane we were using.
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(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/RIMG0258small_zpseid51b7d.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/RIMG0258small_zpseid51b7d.jpg.html)
Here is a shot towards the club house from the shooting lane we were using.
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And here we are set up at the shooting range hut.
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My club has 4 to 5 different shooting lanes, each with a hut. We have one longer range for rifles and 3 to 4 smaller lanes like the one pictured above. One of the lanes has a 90 degree dog leg at the end that allows them to build portable walls and stuff for IPSC competitions. I also hear that the police like to build take down structures for training purposes there as well.
Post by: SAK Guy on April 03, 2015, 09:49:58 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on April 03, 2015, 10:18:25 PM
Your friend is correct on taking up the slack in the trigger before firing. Every trigger is different so you will have to get used to whatever you are firing, but the concept is the same no matter what you are shooting.
I love shooting single action .22's. Once cocked they normally have a very light trigger with no creep at all. I am more accurate with a .22 single action than any other hand gun.
Keep up the good shooting and get as much practice as you can. Sounds like you already appreciate the joy of the shooting sports and it only gets better from here. :tu:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 04, 2015, 05:03:38 AM
You talked about trigger issues and a pre ignition push. Perfectly normal and super easy to fix with dry fire and mixing in some dud rounds to your mags at the range.
Wont be long at all and you will be tearing up some targets like a pro.
We used the M&P when I was a police officer and while it is not the best trigger it's very consistent. Look forward to some IPSC competition reports.
Post by: toolguy on April 04, 2015, 05:03:47 PM
It evolved from firearms to air guns,then to bows and then slingshots.I was concerned the next time I viewed this thread members would posting about rock throwing.LOL
Post by: jerseydevil on April 04, 2015, 07:14:52 PM
I see this post is back on track.
It evolved from firearms to air guns,then to bows and then slingshots.I was concerned the next time I viewed this thread members would posting about rock throwing.LOL
There were more documented wounds from thrown rocks than bayonets during the Franco-Prussian War, and also authenticated accounts of Pickett's Charge at Gettysburg being met with rocks as what was left of the assault force reached The Angle. Just sayin'....... ::)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 04, 2015, 07:21:05 PM
I see this post is back on track.
It evolved from firearms to air guns,then to bows and then slingshots.I was concerned the next time I viewed this thread members would posting about rock throwing.LOL
There were more documented wounds from thrown rocks than bayonets during the Franco-Prussian War, and also authenticated accounts of Pickett's Charge at Gettysburg being met with rocks as what was left of the assault force reached The Angle. Just sayin'....... ::)
I am pretty sure JD has forgotten more about old wars and guns them the rest of us know.
Post by: Humppa on April 04, 2015, 09:08:35 PM
Maybe I should take a pic of my .22lr Marlin lever action rifle in combination with a nice SAK :salute:
Post by: kirk13 on April 04, 2015, 09:19:36 PM
Thanks for the kind words, fellows. :) Much appreciated!
Maybe I should take a pic of my .22lr Marlin lever action rifle in combination with a nice SAK :salute:
What do you mean,maybe! Of course you should :pok:
Post by: toolguy on April 04, 2015, 11:30:09 PM
I see this post is back on track.
It evolved from firearms to air guns,then to bows and then slingshots.I was concerned the next time I viewed this thread members would posting about rock throwing.LOL
There were more documented wounds from thrown rocks than bayonets during the Franco-Prussian War, and also authenticated accounts of Pickett's Charge at Gettysburg being met with rocks as what was left of the assault force reached The Angle. Just sayin'....... ::)
I think you're pulling our leg.
Perhaps it's a case of an author taking literary license and engaging in hyperbole, in an attempt to enhance a passage or chapter,in order to sell his book.
I'm not a Civil War historian but I have read about the battle at Gettysburg and have visited the Gettysburg Battlefield on numerous occassions.I have yet to read any empirical historical data that suggests rocks played any part in the battle,even at the juncture of the stone wall,the Angle,where the Confederates breeched the Union line during the PPT charge.
Post by: jerseydevil on April 04, 2015, 11:54:08 PM
I see this post is back on track.
It evolved from firearms to air guns,then to bows and then slingshots.I was concerned the next time I viewed this thread members would posting about rock throwing.LOL
There were more documented wounds from thrown rocks than bayonets during the Franco-Prussian War, and also authenticated accounts of Pickett's Charge at Gettysburg being met with rocks as what was left of the assault force reached The Angle. Just sayin'....... ::)
I think you're pulling our leg.
Perhaps it's a case of an author taking literary license and engaging in hyperbole, in an attempt to enhance a passage or chapter,in order to sell his book.
I'm not a Civil War historian but I have read about the battle at Gettysburg and have visited the Gettysburg Battlefield on numerous occassions.I have yet to read any empirical historical data that suggests rocks played any part in the battle,even at the juncture of the stone wall,the Angle,where the Confederates breeched the Union line during the PPT charge.
The rock throwing is mentioned in both Pickett's Charge by George R. Stewart and Gettysburg by Stephen W. Sears. I'm not saying that the charge was repulsed simply with rocks being thrown. Pickett's three brigades were well shredded by artillery and rifle fire by the time they reached the stone wall at the Angle. The incidents are reported as men near the rear of the Union units there by Cushing's battery throwing stones over the men in front of them at the Confederate troops. Easier to pitch a rock than level a Springfield or Enfield on a target when there's a mass of friendly troops right in front of you....... I've been to that battlefield numerous times as well. The spot where what was left of Armistead's brigade crossed the wall is a relatively narrow field, and there were at least three Union regiments bunched up in that space. It wasn't the neatly groomed landscape it is now, that area was fairly brushy and covered with the remains of bushes and trees that had been cut down to clear lanes of fire.
The Stewart book is a great history of what occured on that field on July 3, 1863. A must-read if you're interested in the American Civil War. :tu:
Post by: toolguy on April 05, 2015, 12:13:15 AM
My wife tells me all the time I'm losing my mind but I feel confident that she's only teasing me,I think.LOL.
I'll have to call my mother and ask if she still has it.I know she got rid of all my paperback books especially my Ian Fleming publications. :cry:
Post by: jerseydevil on April 05, 2015, 12:19:06 AM
Post by: Chako on April 05, 2015, 10:51:27 PM
Me getting ready to shoot some brass. It was -9 out there.
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The M&P ready to go with 10 rounds in the magazine.
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This was a bit of a mess. I picked each and every one of the empty casings up. They were warm enough to have glued themselves into the concrete hard ice.
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So here was my first target. A big improvement over my first outing.
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My second one showed some improvement over the first.
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I also brought the Cimmeron Plinkerton today. I must say, I am quite taken by this SA revolver.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/RIMG0267small_zpsm7oekd66.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/RIMG0267small_zpsm7oekd66.jpg.html)
I had some fun with it. I really like the single action revolver.
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Here are the two handguns I brought to the range today.
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Post by: ColoSwiss on April 05, 2015, 11:05:07 PM
Post by: zoidberg on April 06, 2015, 01:11:03 AM
Me getting ready to shoot some brass.
Is that a MTo cap? :tu: Top points for getting out and having some fun. :salute:
Post by: Chako on April 06, 2015, 01:39:34 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 06, 2015, 02:33:32 PM
Post by: Chako on April 07, 2015, 01:14:57 AM
Post by: Chako on April 07, 2015, 01:30:17 AM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7906small_zpsozxeexn1.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7906small_zpsozxeexn1.jpg.html)
It comes with a fairly cheap Weaver Kaspa 3-9x40mm riflescope already factory bore sighted.
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I particularly wanted one with an Accutrigger.
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The 30-06 is a fairly big round...at least to me.
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The rifle comes with one detachable 4 round box magazine.
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And one of my supervisors looking over the new firearm.
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Do I have a story to tell you all. I drove down to Elliot Lake to their only firearms dealer, a place called "The Trading Post". I bought the rifle as I couldn't find this model locally. I could buy plenty of Savage AXIS models, but non with the Accutrigger feature. Anyways, after buying the rifle, I decided to eat across the street at the Kentucky Fried Chicken. While eating, I decided to place a cable lock on it just to be safe. I saw so many OPP cruisers on the highway it wasn't funny. When I go to try and remove the magazine I couldn't. After struggling with it for a few minutes I realized something was wrong, and brought it back to the shop. I guess when I had asked if the magazine was a detachable box magazine, the guy behind the counter showed me that it was...but somehow jammed the magazine afterwards. They eventually got it out. I thought to myself how lucky I was that I hadn't found out after my hour and half to 2 hour drive back home. The guy attached the cable lock to my gun and hands me everything....that is until I was at the Eliot Lake turnoff that it struck me...did the guy also give me back my keys? I pull over and check, and of course the guy didn't. By this time, I am seeing red. I drove back and asked for my keys. The guy looked somewhat sheepish and handed them back to me. For smurfs sake, I would have had to cut the smurfing lock with a bolt cutter back in my city if I wasn't somewhat on the ball. So the same guy who jammed my mag also forgot to hand me the keys. :facepalm:
EDIT: Forgot to say I also bought a bi-pod for it.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 07, 2015, 05:27:33 AM
30-06 is a big round for anyone, nothing in North America you can't hunt with it and can be downloaded for smaller game.
Here is a pic of my house gun, a YHM AR 15 with a 10.5 inch barrel and a suppressor. Front buis and the light are missing cause I stole them for a three gun match.
(http://rs70.pbsrc.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/1428376837.jpg~320x480?t=1428290481)
Post by: shark_za on April 07, 2015, 08:03:47 AM
I'll dig out some photos of the cooler ones.
Post by: Chako on April 07, 2015, 12:29:15 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on April 07, 2015, 08:13:21 PM
Meet the newest member of the fold. This is a Savage AXIS II XP in 30-06 caliber.
Do I have a story to tell you all. I drove down to Elliot Lake to their only firearms dealer, a place called "The Trading Post". I bought the rifle as I couldn't find this model locally. I could buy plenty of Savage AXIS models, but non with the Accutrigger feature. Anyways, after buying the rifle, I decided to eat across the street at the Kentucky Fried Chicken. While eating, I decided to place a cable lock on it just to be safe. I saw so many OPP cruisers on the highway it wasn't funny. When I go to try and remove the magazine I couldn't. After struggling with it for a few minutes I realized something was wrong, and brought it back to the shop. I guess when I had asked if the magazine was a detachable box magazine, the guy behind the counter showed me that it was...but somehow jammed the magazine afterwards. They eventually got it out. I thought to myself how lucky I was that I hadn't found out after my hour and half to 2 hour drive back home. The guy attached the cable lock to my gun and hands me everything....that is until I was at the Eliot Lake turnoff that it struck me...did the guy also give me back my keys? I pull over and check, and of course the guy didn't. By this time, I am seeing red. I drove back and asked for my keys. The guy looked somewhat sheepish and handed them back to me. For smurfs sake, I would have had to cut the smurfing lock with a bolt cutter back in my city if I wasn't somewhat on the ball. So the same guy who jammed my mag also forgot to hand me the keys. :facepalm:
EDIT: Forgot to say I also bought a bi-pod for it.
Wow. What a jackass. :facepalm:
In all honesty if I was more than a mile or so away I would of just kept going and cut the lock when I got home.
Awesome rifle by the way. We warned you how addicting the shooting sports are. :pok:
Post by: SAK Guy on April 07, 2015, 11:15:06 PM
Meet the newest member of the fold. This is a Savage AXIS II XP in 30-06 caliber.
Do I have a story to tell you all. I drove down to Elliot Lake to their only firearms dealer, a place called "The Trading Post". I bought the rifle as I couldn't find this model locally. I could buy plenty of Savage AXIS models, but non with the Accutrigger feature. Anyways, after buying the rifle, I decided to eat across the street at the Kentucky Fried Chicken. While eating, I decided to place a cable lock on it just to be safe. I saw so many OPP cruisers on the highway it wasn't funny. When I go to try and remove the magazine I couldn't. After struggling with it for a few minutes I realized something was wrong, and brought it back to the shop. I guess when I had asked if the magazine was a detachable box magazine, the guy behind the counter showed me that it was...but somehow jammed the magazine afterwards. They eventually got it out. I thought to myself how lucky I was that I hadn't found out after my hour and half to 2 hour drive back home. The guy attached the cable lock to my gun and hands me everything....that is until I was at the Eliot Lake turnoff that it struck me...did the guy also give me back my keys? I pull over and check, and of course the guy didn't. By this time, I am seeing red. I drove back and asked for my keys. The guy looked somewhat sheepish and handed them back to me. For smurfs sake, I would have had to cut the smurfing lock with a bolt cutter back in my city if I wasn't somewhat on the ball. So the same guy who jammed my mag also forgot to hand me the keys. :facepalm:
EDIT: Forgot to say I also bought a bi-pod for it.
Wow. What a jackass. :facepalm:
In all honesty if I was more than a mile or so away I would of just kept going and cut the lock when I got home.
Awesome rifle by the way. We warned you how addicting the shooting sports are. :pok:
+1
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 07, 2015, 11:35:21 PM
"Only accurate guns are interesting" - Col. Townsend Whelen
Post by: Chako on April 07, 2015, 11:43:00 PM
Post by: shark_za on April 08, 2015, 08:57:42 AM
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All S&W
Top is factory nickel Model 10
then
Model 36 - 3 inch with dodgy grips
then
Model 37 - 3 inch
then
South African Railway Police Issued Model 10
The Railway Police had the model 10 in the more powerful 38 special while the normal police still used the 38 S&W round in the Model 11.
Post by: shark_za on April 08, 2015, 09:08:19 AM
Used by the Chinese in thier Civil war.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a200/shark_za/Glock/IMG_0640_small.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/shark_za/media/Glock/IMG_0640_small.jpg.html)
With shoulder stock that works like a holster.
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Post by: ColoSwiss on April 08, 2015, 09:32:42 AM
Noticed that the caliber is marked as 9mm HP, rather than 9mm P or 9mm L. Anyone have any idea what caliber (if any) was marked on WWII Sten guns?
Post by: Gareth on April 08, 2015, 10:12:16 AM
Some interesting items there, particularly the Inglis Browning. :tu:
Indeed! :cheers:
Post by: jerseydevil on April 08, 2015, 12:54:58 PM
Some interesting items there, particularly the Inglis Browning. :tu:
Noticed that the caliber is marked as 9mm HP, rather than 9mm P or 9mm L. Anyone have any idea what caliber (if any) was marked on WWII Sten guns?
+1 That Hi Power is sweet! :tu:
I took a quick look, and can't find any reference to Stens being marked with a caliber at all. The model, manufacturer, and date of manufacture were stamped on the magazine housing, but no caliber..... If they are, I'd assume 9mm P or 9mm Para.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 08, 2015, 01:50:49 PM
Some of my most recent ones still awaiting licenses.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a200/shark_za/8c4c5600-f64b-43d6-a39b-1a5625b1e998_zpsecf49d88.jpg) (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/shark_za/media/8c4c5600-f64b-43d6-a39b-1a5625b1e998_zpsecf49d88.jpg.html)
All S&W
Top is factory nickel Model 10
then
Model 36 - 3 inch with dodgy grips
then
Model 37 - 3 inch
then
South African Railway Police Issued Model 10
The Railway Police had the model 10 in the more powerful 38 special while the normal police still used the 38 S&W round in the Model 11.
Love me some Model 10. Simple yet effective and a reliability record to die for. Plus if you run out of ammo it makes a good club.
Post by: ducttapetech on April 08, 2015, 02:15:12 PM
That's us mobile
Nate
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 08, 2015, 06:51:09 PM
Never ever pistol whip somebody with a nice piece, it could mar the finish.
That's us mobile
Nate
Excellent point.
Post by: SAK Guy on April 08, 2015, 07:03:19 PM
Never ever pistol whip somebody with a nice piece, it could mar the finish.
That's us mobile
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Excellent point.
And, stainless pistols fare better because blood can ruin a nice blued finish....
.........or so I'm told. (Hey, I was a gun dealer....ya hear things.)
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 08, 2015, 10:46:47 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 09, 2015, 01:36:09 AM
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Post by: ColoSwiss on April 09, 2015, 02:37:25 AM
Still getting use to posting from my phone and am not sure why some of my pics are so small. Giing to give this one another go.
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Liking it, but what's a 'buis'?
Post by: zoidberg on April 09, 2015, 02:42:03 AM
Back Up Iron Sights? :think:Still getting use to posting from my phone and am not sure why some of my pics are so small. Giing to give this one another go.
(http://rs70.pbsrc.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150408_125001_635.jpg~320x480)
Liking it, but what's a 'buis'?
Post by: SAK Guy on April 09, 2015, 02:48:12 AM
Post by: Chako on April 09, 2015, 03:03:23 AM
Buying ammo for the 30-06. Here it cost 24 to 40 dollars for 20 rounds of the stuff. That means I will be sending a dollar plus per shot downrange. :facepalm:
Post by: jerseydevil on April 09, 2015, 03:49:03 AM
Buying ammo for the 30-06. Here it cost 24 to 40 dollars for 20 rounds of the stuff. That means I will be sending a dollar plus per shot downrange. :facepalm:
I once bought a box of .577-450 Martini Henry, 10 rounds for $50. :o It's one reason we handload for it, cheaper to re-form .577 Nitro Express brass! I also have a chamber insert for the Martini that allows me to fire .45 Long Colt out of it. :tu:
And before anyone asks, no, it wasn't original .577-450. Those coiled brass military rounds can go for $20 each to a collector......
Post by: Chako on April 09, 2015, 04:29:41 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 09, 2015, 04:44:47 AM
Back Up Iron Sights? :think:Still getting use to posting from my phone and am not sure why some of my pics are so small. Giing to give this one another go.
(http://rs70.pbsrc.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150408_125001_635.jpg~320x480)
Liking it, but what's a 'buis'?
Yep you got it. Stole it for my three gun AR that does not have one for the front yet.
Dang Chako 40 dollars for 20 rounds of 30-06? I paid 24 dollars for 100 rounds of 9mm yesterday. Winchester 115 grain.
So what size is the last AR pic I posted? Same as the first one, it is hard to tell on my phone.
Post by: zoidberg on April 09, 2015, 09:08:45 AM
So what size is the last AR pic I posted? Same as the first one, it is hard to tell on my phone.
First pic posted is 320 x 134, original is 960 x 401. Second pic posted is 201 x 480, original is 401 x 960.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 09, 2015, 11:35:32 AM
So what size is the last AR pic I posted? Same as the first one, it is hard to tell on my phone.
First pic posted is 320 x 134, original is 960 x 401. Second pic posted is 201 x 480, original is 401 x 960.
Hmm, ok then something is going on here.
Thanks Lobby.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 09, 2015, 11:41:51 AM
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Post by: zoidberg on April 09, 2015, 11:43:46 AM
Ok I think I may have figured it out.
That is the one mate. :tu:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 09, 2015, 02:27:30 PM
Ok I think I may have figured it out.
That is the one mate. :tu:
That is what the ladies from NZ say to me all the time.
Post by: Humppa on April 09, 2015, 09:17:01 PM
Just kidding! (.22lr is a great ammo, imo)
In Germany you can buy 50 pieces of 6.5x55 Swed or 8x57IS for about 35.00 €. But if you want hunting ammunition you need to pay about 55.00 € for 20 shot. Reloading a great topic here. But you need to shoot a lot of ammo. Powder is rather expensive - 2 lbs Powder get around 110.00 €. Then you have no primers and no brass.
Maybe that´s on of the reasons I decide which gun I get not on the gun but on the catridge that it fires. .30-30 might be common in the US, but here it is a rather exotic one. As well as .303Brit. .30-06 Springfield is common under hunters for wild boars, but for sport shooting is such an expensive ammo. You can get .300 WinMag as well.
For handguns it´s the same. Some of the Super Magnum calibers are even sold out permanetelly. Like .454 Cassul which seems to be hard to get, as well as .45 LC, On the other hand, .357Mag/.38spec. or 9mm/Luger can be bought for a low price.
Nevertheless - I´m glad with my two rifles in .22lr and .357Mag. But I have a good Marlin 336C in .30-30 that I would like to get. And there are some nice Swedish Mausers around at 6.5x55Swed which are wonderful guns in general and higly accurate.
A german K98 is never a bad deal...
I hope the cost of ammunition won´t break me ... :whistle: :whistle: >:( :cry:
Post by: JustUrEyeCandy on April 09, 2015, 09:42:17 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on April 09, 2015, 10:13:54 PM
That's us mobile
Nate
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 09, 2015, 11:55:37 PM
Bottom photo: Weaver stance, 25 ft, 50 rounds. That single hole low down; that's a figment of your imagination. :D
That CZ does shoot.
Post by: SAK Guy on April 10, 2015, 01:08:22 AM
Post by: ducttapetech on April 10, 2015, 03:21:02 AM
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Nate
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 10, 2015, 07:19:01 AM
Top photo: One hand, 25 ft, 35 rounds. Getting a little shaky towards the end.
Bottom photo: Weaver stance, 25 ft, 50 rounds. That single hole low down; that's a figment of your imagination. :D
That CZ does shoot.
Not bad I guess for a beginner. :pok:
If you are looking to get rid of that relic of a pistol I suppose I could do you a solid and give you $300 cash money for it.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 10, 2015, 07:20:25 AM
Wanted to show off my new S&W concealed pistol... I added some neon pink highlights to it. :drool:
Nice littke roscoe there, you body carry or purse?
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 10, 2015, 07:50:42 AM
Top photo: One hand, 25 ft, 35 rounds. Getting a little shaky towards the end.
Bottom photo: Weaver stance, 25 ft, 50 rounds. That single hole low down; that's a figment of your imagination. :D
That CZ does shoot.
Not bad I guess for a beginner. :pok:
If you are looking to get rid of that relic of a pistol I suppose I could do you a solid and give you $300 cash money for it.
Your generosity is amazing. However I can't advantage of you, and will have to keep it.
Post by: shark_za on April 10, 2015, 08:37:21 AM
Post by: JustUrEyeCandy on April 10, 2015, 05:13:59 PM
I got a Shield 9 too, minus the pink bits.
Don't you love it? It's definitely the best pistol I have ever had. I can add the pink stuff to yours too, if you want. Lol
Post by: JustUrEyeCandy on April 10, 2015, 05:15:03 PM
Wanted to show off my new S&W concealed pistol... I added some neon pink highlights to it. :drool:
Nice littke roscoe there, you body carry or purse?
Oh Hawley! Hello bud. I purse carry unless the weather is cold then I body carry.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 10, 2015, 06:18:49 PM
Wanted to show off my new S&W concealed pistol... I added some neon pink highlights to it. :drool:
Nice littke roscoe there, you body carry or purse?
Oh Hawley! Hello bud. I purse carry unless the weather is cold then I body carry.
Very cool.
I am sure Stew has talked with you about how a revolver can be an excellent choice for purse carry since if yiu have a shrouded hammer it can be fired from inside the purse. Just a observation.
How much you charge for custom pink modding?
Post by: JustUrEyeCandy on April 10, 2015, 10:58:04 PM
Wanted to show off my new S&W concealed pistol... I added some neon pink highlights to it. :drool:
Nice littke roscoe there, you body carry or purse?
Oh Hawley! Hello bud. I purse carry unless the weather is cold then I body carry.
Very cool.
I am sure Stew has talked with you about how a revolver can be an excellent choice for purse carry since if yiu have a shrouded hammer it can be fired from inside the purse. Just a observation.
How much you charge for custom pink modding?
I would do any color for free! ;) and he hasn't but I did know that. However, I used to have a revolver and honestly hated it.
Post by: Chako on April 12, 2015, 01:54:26 AM
But the trip wasn't a complete bust. I was curious to see if Canadian Tire had anything. Well you can call me shocked to the core, as I found they had far more than the one in Sault Ste Marie. They had something I was looking at but only online. The price was very good as it was the same price as those online vendors....199 Canadian dollars. They had one that wasn't so nice on the shelf. When I inquired about it, the employee told me he had two nicer ones stored in the back. I asked to see one, and yep, a nice wooden laminated stock as opposed to the non-laminated one which wasn't as pretty, and looked beat up.
I took it home with 220 rounds of 7,62x39 ammo for it.
Meet the newest member of my growing firearms collection. This is an SKS.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7921small_zpsnnbs5zmb.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7921small_zpsnnbs5zmb.jpg.html)
Post by: captain spaulding on April 12, 2015, 03:43:46 AM
Post by: jerseydevil on April 12, 2015, 03:59:30 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 12, 2015, 06:06:36 AM
Post by: Chako on April 12, 2015, 07:31:22 AM
No cleaning kit in the butt-stock, and I didn't receive any stripper clips either to aid in the loading.
Post by: Mike 56 on April 12, 2015, 11:37:49 AM
Post by: Chako on April 12, 2015, 01:24:22 PM
Post by: Gareth on April 12, 2015, 02:27:01 PM
Post by: jerseydevil on April 12, 2015, 03:32:37 PM
Post by: kirk13 on April 12, 2015, 03:35:32 PM
Post by: kosmo on April 12, 2015, 03:42:56 PM
SKS 7.62x39? Arn't they the ones with the reputation for cooking off rounds when stored in the car,and in sunshine on range?
Yes, they are known for slam firing. I believe it is because of a heavy non-captured firing pin, but I'm not sure. I had one when they were $79, but I regret I sold it long ago. I don't think they would cook off a round in storage. It takes a lot of heat to do that. There are videos on youtube on the subject.
Post by: Chako on April 12, 2015, 03:47:35 PM
I did say that if I was successful, I would post a few photos...
Here I am starting. Got my MUT which is now my motorcycle/range user. Cleaning kit in the upper left, a clean rag, and the all important instructions.
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First step is to deply that bayonet. I must say, that bayonet makes cleaning this rifle a bit entertaining as I tried to fend my overly curious cats from coming to close to that pig sticker during the dis-assembly and cleaning process. :facepalm:
I was wondering how the SKS was restricted to only 5 rounds, as all center fire rifles need to be pined to a max of 5 rounds. I did some online checking, and have noted that some have a pin drilled through the base plate. Mine does not have that. However, after examining it closer and looking a non pined magazine on an online SKS, this is how they pined it so that I can only put in 5 rounds. See that vertical rod...a bit nicer than drilling a hole in the bottom and placing a rod there. This way it doesn't look different from the outside.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7924small_zpsef0pv9eu.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7924small_zpsef0pv9eu.jpg.html)
Fun part number one, I have to push that piece forward with the dis-assembly pin on my MUT (see that white arrow). It was stiff as all get out but after a few attempts, the trigger assembly was able to come out.
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Here is the trigger assembly.
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Next, I had to pull the bolt back and pull out the magazine.
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Next was to make sure the bolt was closed, and to swing a pin up and to pull it out. There is a pin that prevents this piece from completely being removed. This allows the bolt assembly cover to be slid back and removed. Yeah, one wouldn't want any tension on the bolt spring while doing this. Here, the cover plate is removed and the bolt spring is partially pulled out.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7928small_zpsbthelvvg.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7928small_zpsbthelvvg.jpg.html)
After that, it is a simple matter of taking out the 2 piece bolt carrier. Here you can see the various pieces removed from the rifle.
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The first fun part was removing the trigger assembly. The second and most fun part was to remove the wooden stock from the rifle. This required me finding a rubber hammer to gently persuade the metal parts to leave the loving embrace of the wooden furniture. Man this was a tight fit. The MUT was very handy as I was able to gently tap the hammer part of the MUT with the pin deployed onto the metal frame.
Once all of that is removed, the next step is to remove the gas system. This involved swinging an arm upwards. This disengages the gas system from the rifle. Be sure to hold the rifle barrel downwards as the gas piston can prevent removal of the whole gas system.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7930small_zpsien7lr8b.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7930small_zpsien7lr8b.jpg.html)
Here we see that the gas system is now removed.
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Now to remove this next part, you have to hold the springed piece with some force as you swing the gas assembly lever a little more open. This disengages and releases this part. The thumb is used to prevent this piece from going into orbit.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7932small_zpsm8gen9ii.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7932small_zpsm8gen9ii.jpg.html)
Now time to get some cleaning done.
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I first started by gently wiping everything except for the gas system parts with a nice cleaner and lubricant.
Next was the bore. This patch in the second photo was white before the cleaning process of the barrel.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7935small_zpsusn1fxet.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7935small_zpsusn1fxet.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7934small_zpsvulmdwlf.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7934small_zpsvulmdwlf.jpg.html)
Next to go back on is the gas system.
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After that was the stock. As it was entertaining to get off, it was equally as entertaining to put back on. Thank you rubber mallet in making this job easier. I had to give the whole thing a few good whacks to get it back on.
After that, everything goes back on in reverse. Not bad. I did have more fun with inserting the trigger assembly however. I tried to get it back on and realized it wasn't going on. I looked at it for a minute and realized the wooden furniture wasn't exactly fully seated in place. A few more good whacks and I was able to tap the trigger assembly back onto that retaining tab.
The gun wasn't very dirty and whoever cleaned it did a real good job. Here is what I got when I wiped everything down. I was expecting Cosmoline everywhere.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7938small_zpss7yztgwj.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7938small_zpss7yztgwj.jpg.html)
Now I have piece of mind...and also I can probably take apart and rebuild this easily next time around. All I needed for tools were a dis-assembly pin, pliers once to move one of the sliders, and a rubber mallet. I also can see how it would be fairly easy to buy a tactical stock and replace the existing one, if I so desire in the future.
:tu:
Post by: Chako on April 12, 2015, 03:48:47 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on April 12, 2015, 04:02:02 PM
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Nate
Post by: Chako on April 12, 2015, 10:52:27 PM
Well I love that SKS. Accuracy out the first time is frightening. I shot very well with it. The 30-06 is quite a powerful round, but the kick was very ok. I was expecting something worse to be honest. I still need to sight this one it as I only shot a few rounds to see how it felt.
Post by: captain spaulding on April 12, 2015, 11:10:49 PM
Just got back.
Well I love that SKS. Accuracy out the first time is frightening. I shot very well with it. The 30-06 is quite a powerful round, but the kick was very ok. I was expecting something worse to be honest. I still need to sight this one it as I only shot a few rounds to see how it felt.
I knew you would love it. :D :tu:
Post by: David on April 13, 2015, 02:22:18 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 13, 2015, 02:25:25 AM
S&W M28. :)
Nice old piece. An M27 with a matte finish.
Post by: ducttapetech on April 13, 2015, 03:02:13 AM
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Nate
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 13, 2015, 04:24:26 AM
Just got back.
Well I love that SKS. Accuracy out the first time is frightening. I shot very well with it. The 30-06 is quite a powerful round, but the kick was very ok. I was expecting something worse to be honest. I still need to sight this one it as I only shot a few rounds to see how it felt.
.30-06 SKS? Never in all my days havr I seen this and I have seen tons of them
Custom mod?
Post by: David on April 13, 2015, 07:27:54 AM
Post by: Chako on April 13, 2015, 12:13:42 PM
Post by: kirk13 on April 14, 2015, 12:18:17 AM
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Post by: ducttapetech on April 14, 2015, 12:20:08 AM
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Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on April 14, 2015, 12:20:26 AM
Post by: Chako on April 14, 2015, 12:53:39 AM
As I am gearing to take the Black Badge course early next month, I noticed I had an issue with my S&W M&P, in that it wouldn't accept a full 10 round magazine simply by slapping it in. It will however work if I rack the slide open, lock it open, and then insert the magazine. Yesterday, I got to witness an IPSC handgun competition first hand, and I got to observe most of the contestants, and noted that others didn't seem to have the same issue as my copy did. It saves a lot of time if you can just slap a 10 rounder in the handgun without racking the slide and locking it open. I asked around and found out that you have to shave a little of the bottom of the plate follower. I was told if you take 3mm or so off, that will allow you to feed your gun without having to rack and lock it open first. Faster to feed it and then rack it.
So I started yesterday taking my magazines apart and doing the shaving. Lucky enough the M&P magazines are easy to take apart, and the follower is made of plastic...so sanding the part is not that difficult.
Got my snap caps ready as I need to test each magazine after the shaving to see if it will work.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7939small_zpsukuu6ppi.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7939small_zpsukuu6ppi.jpg.html)
Handgun and dummy ammunition.
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Enter the MUT once again. I need to use the pin to press down a button which enables me to slide the button portion of the magazine off. Doing that also means making sure the spring doesn't escape and shoot outwards.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7941small_zps48mi7i59.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7941small_zps48mi7i59.jpg.html)
One of my magazines dis-assembled. I have to shave off some of those legs on the plastic white/gray follower.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7942small_zpsvxivinc9.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7942small_zpsvxivinc9.jpg.html)
On the finished magazines, I am using battle ship gray to colour in the S&W logo to help me identify them from other competitors. As you can see, I am only half done. Had to stop due to sore fingers.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7944small_zpsbkkg98wa.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7944small_zpsbkkg98wa.jpg.html)
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 14, 2015, 02:44:10 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 14, 2015, 02:48:10 AM
Never had an issue like you guys and the slide forward mag issue. Must be something with the 10 round mags. It is the 9mm right?
Great pics btw.
Post by: Chako on April 14, 2015, 03:08:07 AM
Post by: Chako on April 18, 2015, 08:53:29 PM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7945small_zpsqpe6ps0r.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7945small_zpsqpe6ps0r.jpg.html)
Not touching anything on this old Russian surplus army rifle.
My 9 mm handgun on the other hand remained a mystery to me. Mindy you, I have only took it out twice. Both times, I consistently shot low, that is after figuring out the trigger towards the end of my first outing. Well I decided to put all the other firearms away and to focus on the 9 mm, as my course is quickly coming up, and I will have to show some sort of proficiency with it.
On my second outing, I was trying to find an aiming system that would work. I was raising the front blade above the rear sight, and that sort of worked for me...but not consistently. Today, I gave it some thought before heading out to the range which I think paid off. I figured I was holding the handgun too low. I raised the gun higher so that it was directly in my sight path, took my time for a consistent slow trigger pull, and also concentrating on holding the handgun properly, and squeezed the trigger...and it was a good shot! Woah! Things started falling into place for me. The M&P 9 mm no longer was a mysterious thing that had a mind of its own.
I didn't get a chance at being discouraged...but I had to do some soul searching to figure out what I was doing wrong. My first two outings with it was a bit disappointing to say the least. My shooting buddy told me it took him almost a year to figure out his Glock...so I am certain I still have a long ways to go...but I am very pleased with my progress on the third date with my M&P.
After practicing with 20 rounds downrange, I wanted to see if I had improved. I placed this weird little air gun target at around 25 feet away. Here was the result after 10 rounds fired. I was aiming for his ribs which was the most visible part of the target.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7948small_zpscihyvmsh.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7948small_zpscihyvmsh.jpg.html)
Ok...now we are talking. I wanted to see how I would do with a farther target. This zombie was placed around the 50 to 60 foot range. The circled bullet holes plus the two lower ones that I missed circling were center of body mass shots (I shot 10 rounds and one is off paper). Then after practicing with another clip on another target, wanted to see if I could get a head shot. The X holes are those aimed for the head. A sixth shot was off the paper...but colour me very happy. I think the little M&P and I will get along just fine.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7947small_zpshe5emzji.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7947small_zpshe5emzji.jpg.html)
I know I am just starting, but I was puzzled in what I was doing wrong. I am very happy that I am coming around in figuring out my handgun, and a few things I am doing wrong. :tu:
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 19, 2015, 12:32:18 AM
Post by: Chako on April 19, 2015, 01:49:14 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 19, 2015, 02:20:58 AM
One thing I would like to add though is you are doing backwards of any instruction I have ever seen or received. We always start up close to devlop some confidence and sort sight picture and trigger control.
At the distance you are shooting just starting out there is nothing to be ashamed of.
Post by: SAK Guy on April 19, 2015, 02:34:59 AM
The name of the game is consistency: in grip, sight picture, trigger squeeze, breath control. It takes time to develop those skills.
+100 :tu:
Post by: Chako on April 19, 2015, 05:19:14 AM
Static Exercises
1 Load and Unload
2 Draw, 1 shot, 6 times, 10 meters
3 Draw, 1 shot, 6 times, 15 meters
4 Draw, 1 shot, 6 times, 10 meters, 3.0 seconds
5 Draw, 1 shot, 6 times, 15 meters, 4.0 seconds
6 Draw, 2 shots, 6 times, 7 meters, 4.0 seconds
7 Draw, 2 shots, 6 times, 15 meters, 5.0 seconds
8 Draw, 2 shots, reload, 2 shots, 3 times, 7 meters 8.0 seconds
9 Draw, 2 shots, reload, 2 shots, 2 targets, 3 times, 10 meters, 9.0 seconds
10 Draw, 2 shots, reload, 2 shots, 2 targets, 3 times, 15 meters 10.0 seconds
11 Strong hand, draw, 2 shots, 4 times, 10 meters, 5.0 seconds
12 Weak hand, draw, transfer to weak hand, 2 shots, 3 times, 10 meters, 6.0 seconds
Movement Exercises
13 Turn, draw, 2+2+2 shots, reload, 2+2+2 shots, 3 targets, 10 meters
14 Draw, move forward, 2+2+2, 3 targets, 6 - 12 meters
15 Draw, move laterally right, 2+2+2, 3 targets, 6 meters
16 Draw, move backwards, 2+2+2, 3 targets, 6 -12 meters
17 Draw, move laterally left, 2+2+2, 3 targets, 12 meters
18 Draw, 2 shots, move forward & reload, 2 shots, 2 targets, 6 - 12 meters
19 Draw, 2 shots, move laterally right & reload, 2 shots, 2 targets, 6 meters
20 Draw, 2 shots, move laterally left & reload, 2 shots, 2 targets, 6 meters
21 Draw, 2 shots, move backwards & reload, 2 shots, 2 targets, 6 – 12 meters
22 Kneeling, draw & kneel, 1 shot, 6 times, 25 meters
23 Prone, draw and prone, 1 shot, 6 times, 25 meters
24 Barricade, right side, draw, 6 shots, repeat 6 shots on left side, 15 meters
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 19, 2015, 08:00:08 AM
You will make or lose most of your time on draw and reloads, even smoking your shot to shot transitions will only save you very little time compared to sticking a reload. This is good for you because you can practice these skills till your fingers bleed in dryfire.
Good luck.
Post by: David on April 19, 2015, 08:06:57 AM
Interesting course of fire.
You will make or lose most of your time on draw and reloads, even smoking your shot to shot transitions will only save you very little time compared to sticking a reload. This is good for you because you can practice these skills till your fingers bleed in dryfire.
Good luck.
:tu: :D
Post by: SAK Guy on April 20, 2015, 12:48:09 AM
It's a Voodoo Tactical shotgun scabbard with added pockets for my Winchester 94 Trapper in 44 mag. I added extra ammo (68 rds), first aid kit, Leatherman Super Tool, Vic Ranger, Vic Hercules, Altoids tin w/Suunto compass, Swedish fire starter, DMT Duo Fold sharpener (fine/coarse) and 30 ft of paracord.
I removed the cheap shoulder strap and added a 1 1/2" nylon saddle cinch strap as a shoulder strap.
Sorry for the crappy pics...best my cheap camera can do.
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 20, 2015, 02:04:02 AM
This is what I have to do on the practical part of the IPSC Black Badge course.
Static Exercises
1 Load and Unload
2 Draw, 1 shot, 6 times, 10 meters
3 Draw, 1 shot, 6 times, 15 meters
4 Draw, 1 shot, 6 times, 10 meters, 3.0 seconds
5 Draw, 1 shot, 6 times, 15 meters, 4.0 seconds
6 Draw, 2 shots, 6 times, 7 meters, 4.0 seconds
7 Draw, 2 shots, 6 times, 15 meters, 5.0 seconds
8 Draw, 2 shots, reload, 2 shots, 3 times, 7 meters 8.0 seconds
9 Draw, 2 shots, reload, 2 shots, 2 targets, 3 times, 10 meters, 9.0 seconds
10 Draw, 2 shots, reload, 2 shots, 2 targets, 3 times, 15 meters 10.0 seconds
11 Strong hand, draw, 2 shots, 4 times, 10 meters, 5.0 seconds
12 Weak hand, draw, transfer to weak hand, 2 shots, 3 times, 10 meters, 6.0 seconds
Movement Exercises
13 Turn, draw, 2+2+2 shots, reload, 2+2+2 shots, 3 targets, 10 meters
14 Draw, move forward, 2+2+2, 3 targets, 6 - 12 meters
15 Draw, move laterally right, 2+2+2, 3 targets, 6 meters
16 Draw, move backwards, 2+2+2, 3 targets, 6 -12 meters
17 Draw, move laterally left, 2+2+2, 3 targets, 12 meters
18 Draw, 2 shots, move forward & reload, 2 shots, 2 targets, 6 - 12 meters
19 Draw, 2 shots, move laterally right & reload, 2 shots, 2 targets, 6 meters
20 Draw, 2 shots, move laterally left & reload, 2 shots, 2 targets, 6 meters
21 Draw, 2 shots, move backwards & reload, 2 shots, 2 targets, 6 – 12 meters
22 Kneeling, draw & kneel, 1 shot, 6 times, 25 meters
23 Prone, draw and prone, 1 shot, 6 times, 25 meters
24 Barricade, right side, draw, 6 shots, repeat 6 shots on left side, 15 meters
Concentrate on doing things smoothly before you start worrying about speed. And keep your trigger finger outside the guard until ready to shoot. The last thing you want to do is put a hole in your leg.
Post by: Chako on April 20, 2015, 02:05:49 AM
Nice set up SAK Guy.
Post by: SAK Guy on April 20, 2015, 02:07:24 AM
Not putting holes in one's leg sounds like excellent advice to me. :salute:
Nice set up SAK Guy.
Thanks Chako!
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 20, 2015, 02:09:06 AM
Here's a "grab and go" truck scabbard that I fixed up for around the farm and for (car) camping trips.
It's a Voodoo Tactical shotgun scabbard with added pockets for my Winchester 94 Trapper in 44 mag. I added extra ammo (68 rds), first aid kit, Leatherman Super Tool, Vic Ranger, Vic Hercules, Altoids tin w/Suunto compass, Swedish fire starter, DMT Duo Fold sharpener (fine/coarse) and 30 ft of paracord.
I removed the cheap shoulder strap and added a 1 1/2" nylon saddle cinch strap as a shoulder strap.
Sorry for the crappy pics...best my cheap camera can do.
Looks interesting!
Here's what's in my survival kit in the trunk. May give you some additional ideas.
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,53369.msg916156.html#msg916156
Also in the trunk is some bottled water, granola bars, and blankets.
Post by: SAK Guy on April 20, 2015, 02:20:37 AM
My kit needs some tweaking, put it together a couple of years ago.....probably too many knives/MT. Does fit well behind the seat though. :D
Post by: SAK Guy on April 20, 2015, 07:18:14 PM
It used to look like this. The 7 1/2" knife was a problem when traveling.
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on April 20, 2015, 11:04:33 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on April 20, 2015, 11:24:26 PM
Nice looking rig mate :)
Thanks Mike!! :salute:
Post by: Chako on April 23, 2015, 03:02:49 AM
Well, got the shotgun back and took it out to the range, and damaged the second factory red dot sight. Noted after a few rounds something was really off. It felt like there was a lot of sand in it. I quickly stopped and thought to myself...no he didn't did he?
Well tonight was the first time I was able to take it apart. Man oh man, you should have seen the metal shavings. The local shop Dremeled away the two dimples alright, without taking the magazine tube off, or shoving any thing in the tube to catch metal shavings. Consequently, all that crap went into the action. :facepalm:
After a good half hour of TLC, the shotgun is feeling better than ever. To whoever did that to my shotgun.... :twak:
Post by: captain spaulding on April 23, 2015, 03:44:46 AM
Took apart the Remington 870 shotgun tonight and boy, what a mess it was. Learning quickly that sometimes, the local gun shop is a mess. I got the shotgun back from the local shop after they had to use a Dremel on two dimples inside the magazine tube. Once gone, it allows full access to the extension tube.
Well, got the shotgun back and took it out to the range, and damaged the second factory red dot sight. Noted after a few rounds something was really off. It felt like there was a lot of sand in it. I quickly stopped and thought to myself...no he didn't did he?
Well tonight was the first time I was able to take it apart. Man oh man, you should have seen the metal shavings. The local shop Dremeled away the two dimples alright, without taking the magazine tube off, or shoving any thing in the tube to catch metal shavings. Consequently, all that crap went into the action. :facepalm:
After a good half hour of TLC, the shotgun is feeling better than ever. To whoever did that to my shotgun.... :twak:
All I keep hearing from you is people at the gun stores doing idiotic things to your guns or just plain acting like dumb asses. If I were you I would stay far away from having anyone work on your firearms unless it is completely necessary. I'm not lecturing you, but you should be doing these simple things yourself. Again, I am not trying to be rude.
Post by: Chako on April 23, 2015, 01:42:01 PM
As for the local gun shop, I am still dealing with them as I have returned that red dot sight to them for a second replacement. I also have a few things on order that I have ordered months ago. I can assure you I will reduce my interaction with them once all of that is over. I bought my two last rifles not from them. They were a bit heartbroken when I asked to see what they had in a different caliber from what they though I had lol. :D
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 26, 2015, 04:33:03 AM
http://thearmsguide.com/4933/weird-gun-wednesday-mershon-hollingsworth-revolver/
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on April 26, 2015, 01:29:48 PM
Post by: Gareth on April 26, 2015, 09:52:17 PM
Post by: matzesu on April 26, 2015, 10:35:58 PM
But as a german, i think i will never get hands on firearms in my live, but im fine whit that..
They arent realy usefull for me, unlike the Swiss Army Knife..
There is some beef in the german Army about the Heckler &Koch G36, which isnt acurate in full automatice Mode..
Mybe some of you also have a G36 and can tell your impressions..
Post by: Chako on April 27, 2015, 01:25:09 AM
They had a few moving targets set up in the short course. From what I saw, shooters started off with their long rifle, then quickly dumped it into a barrel to move into the next station, which consisted of shotgun. Once that was dumped into another barrel, it was handguns.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/RIMG0276small_zpshstd5pqk.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/RIMG0276small_zpshstd5pqk.jpg.html)
Here are a few club members scoring a run.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/RIMG0273small_zpsdygm6eyi.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/RIMG0273small_zpsdygm6eyi.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/RIMG0275small_zpsxnqxfcay.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/RIMG0275small_zpsxnqxfcay.jpg.html)
Some of the firearms competitors brought to the match.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/RIMG0274small_zps9o65e1gp.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/RIMG0274small_zps9o65e1gp.jpg.html)
After watching a few matches, I moved to another firing lane and set up a target. The M&P and I started off rough but eventually smoothed out towards my third magazine. I tend to fire 2 boxes of ammunition in an outing, which equates to 100 rounds, or 40 dollars worth.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/RIMG0277small_zpstigg2wwz.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/RIMG0277small_zpstigg2wwz.jpg.html)
Which lends itself to my next question. I have been picking up all my brass with the notion that I might want to get into reloading. Here is my daily outtake , although after looking at that photo a second time, I can see I picked up a few other casings that weren't mine...such as that .40 in the lower right corner.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/RIMG0280small_zpsqrsjbwks.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/RIMG0280small_zpsqrsjbwks.jpg.html)
What do you guys suggest might be a good press. I have done some research, and I know that for a first time press, a single stage is usually recommended. However, I plan on doing higher volume shooting once I join IPSC, and because of this, I understand a turret is better, and a progressive press might be best.
Any ideas on what I should be looking for, or what I will need in the end. Suggestions are always welcome and appreciated.
:salute:
Post by: David on April 27, 2015, 01:39:21 AM
Post by: Chako on April 28, 2015, 12:13:19 AM
What else would I need other than the brass, powder, primer, and bullet?
Post by: kosmo on April 28, 2015, 01:12:53 AM
There are also lots of people demonstrating the use of there loading equipment on Youtube.
Video: Reloading Basics (Decisions To Make)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irC3NuIKDm4
I have a Dillon SDB "Square Deal B" and like it very much, however if you are just starting out it may be a little too much. The Dillon SDB has one major drawback for someone new to loading. There is NOT a way to manually advance the stages. It ONLY auto-indexes the stage. This makes it difficult if you are working on developing loads and don't want to produce large quantities of ammo until you have tested them. Once a load is determined for sure, then the auto-advancing stage feature is great for pumping out a lot of ammo.
The Dillon 550B is the next more expensive model up from the SDB. Unlike the SDB, it has ONLY manual advance of the stage, which is an advantage as I mentioned above. Unlike the SDB, the 550B also can be used with rifle cartridge loading and can use most dies made by other manufacturers.
There is also a Dillon 550BL "basic loader" which is a stripped down version of the Dillon 550B. It is missing some of the advanced features of the 550B but can be upgraded. It is much less expensive than the 550B ($259 vs $439 new). If I were to do it over again, I might have bought the basic loader (550BL) and then upgrade it as my confidence in loading increased. But the 550BL wasn't available at the time I bought my Dillon. I didn't want to spend the amount Dillon wants on a new 550B. (I got my SDB used on Fleabay.) I've also had experience loading on a manual, single stage press for a couple of years, before getting the Dillon. It is not a bad idea starting with a basic single stage loader before going to a Dillon. If you plan ahead you can get in at a low price on a single stage press and buy dies that are compatible with the Dillon for a future upgrade.
The company "Dillon" has an excellent reputation. They have a no B.S. warranty. I contacted them about replacing a broken part on the used Dillon SDB I got on ebay. No questions asked, they had the part I needed out to me immediately (at no charge!)
Post by: Chako on April 28, 2015, 01:46:34 AM
Post by: kosmo on April 28, 2015, 02:25:31 AM
Thanks for the video. Now I am unsure if the local shop has the 550 B or 550 BL. Guess I may have to visit them sometime soon to check that press out.
If it's $500 it most likely the 550B. You can download Dillon's latest (monthly) catalog here:
http://www.dillonprecision.com/#/articles.html
In addition to the consumable parts (brass, powder, primer, bullets) you will need an accurate scale of some kind. You will need to verify the powder setting on the loading press by weighing the powder. I would recommend a scale that can measure 0.1 grain increments. There are manual (balance beam) types and electronic types, depending on what you want to use and how much you want to spend.
You are going to need to measure the velocity of the bullets being shot. So you'll need a chronograph. Even if your not that concerned about accuracy, it is difficult to know what results you are getting from your loading if you don't know what the velocities of the bullets are.
Your probably going to need a bullet puller, because you will make mistakes and need to safely remove the bullets sometimes.
You'll probably want a primer tray for helping you load primers into the primer pickup tube to load the Dillon primer feed.
http://www.dillonprecision.com/content/p/9/catid/3/pid/23608/Dillon_Primer_Flip_Tray
There is probably lots of stuff I'm not thinking about right now. Pick up two or three loading manuals and read them.
Cleaning brass for reuse. That's another issue and more equipment.
Post by: Chako on April 28, 2015, 02:32:30 AM
Thanks for the good info. :salute:
Post by: kosmo on April 28, 2015, 02:58:32 AM
I wouldn't go that far. They are selling a 9mm only square B for the same price as that 550. So can't base anything on price.
Thanks for the good info. :salute:
The SDB comes set up for loading including one set of dies. The 550B and 550BL do not come with dies. You buy them separately.
I bought a used SDB on Fleabay for ~$230. It included one set of dies. To buy a new 550B the regular price is $439 (plus the cost of the
dies sold separate.) A set of dies can run $50 to $100 or more for a set. It would have been about twice as much for me.
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 29, 2015, 04:34:32 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on April 29, 2015, 04:45:49 AM
Post by: kosmo on April 29, 2015, 05:26:47 AM
(http://www.blueloonfinearts.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Lesters_Moose450.jpg)
Post by: jerseydevil on April 29, 2015, 03:10:36 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on April 29, 2015, 04:42:52 PM
Nate
That's us mobile
Post by: Chako on April 30, 2015, 02:41:50 AM
So now I have the press with 9mm dies, 3 extra small primer tubes, and a primer flip tray which was thrown in free for good measure.
Next on the agenda will be an electronic scale and a tumbler. After that, set up the press and buy some bullets, primers, and powder, and maybe a bag of 9mm brass to get started.
Post by: kosmo on April 30, 2015, 03:08:38 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on April 30, 2015, 03:10:32 AM
Well I bought the Dillon Square Deal B for the 9mm. After talking to a few experienced club members, they told me reloading for pistol was the way to go. Later, if I need to load rifle, to get a single stage press on the cheap later on. From what they told me, it made a lot of sense.
So now I have the press with 9mm dies, 3 extra small primer tubes, and a primer flip tray which was thrown in free for good measure.
Next on the agenda will be an electronic scale and a tumbler. After that, set up the press and buy some bullets, primers, and powder, and maybe a bag of 9mm brass to get started.
Sounds great. The only advice I can offer is to go slow and ONLY reload while not distracted. Make it the one and only thing you are doing. Do not get sidetracked and make sure to focus on what you are doing. If not you can easily make a mistake. I would also weigh the rounds after they are loaded to make sure you did not double load them.
Post by: Chako on April 30, 2015, 01:07:40 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on April 30, 2015, 08:18:46 PM
Good advice.
I'm sure it is nothing you do not know already, but I'm just putting it out there. Your a smart guy so I'm sure you will be fine. :tu:
Post by: kirk13 on April 30, 2015, 10:18:02 PM
The guy claims to have a 9mm auto,and to use it in practical pistol comps in Hong Kong. He claims to have had a smokestack type jam which caused $600 damage to the gun.
I've seen and cleared these kind of jams on 19/22s,but,being in the UK Havnt seen it with a centre fire pistol. The story struck me as rubbish. Your opinions please!
Post by: SAK Guy on April 30, 2015, 10:36:32 PM
Post by: Smashie on April 30, 2015, 10:37:25 PM
I heard something today that triggered my bullsmurfometer,and I want to double check with the brain trust...
The guy claims to have a 9mm auto,and to use it in practical pistol comps in Hong Kong. He claims to have had a smokestack type jam which caused $600 damage to the gun.
I've seen and cleared these kind of jams on 19/22s,but,being in the UK Havnt seen it with a centre fire pistol. The story struck me as rubbish. Your opinions please!
A failed extractor is not going to cause damage, it's just bloody annoying, aka stovepipe, can be caused by duff rounds and bad cleaning
Post by: ColoSwiss on May 01, 2015, 06:25:53 AM
Bullsmurf......unless his gunsmith charges $600 an hour to change an ejector/extractor/firing pin.
+ 1
If it happens regularly some people will have the ejection port enlarged, which can get pricey. If it happened to me on a regular basis I'd sell the gun.
Stovepiping is an occasional problem, particularly on some old guns, which is why there is an immediate action clearing drill. One of my pistols stovepipes regularly with a certain type of ammo (Blazer aluminum case), but works 100% with everything else.
Post by: captain spaulding on May 01, 2015, 06:33:40 AM
Bullsmurf......unless his gunsmith charges $600 an hour to change an ejector/extractor/firing pin.
+ 1
If it happens regularly some people will have the ejection port enlarged, which can get pricey. If it happened to me on a regular basis I'd sell the gun.
Stovepiping is an occasional problem, particularly on some old guns, which is why there is an immediate action clearing drill. One of my pistols stovepipes regularly with a certain type of ammo (Blazer aluminum case), but works 100% with everything else.
In my opinion if you have to enlarge your ejection port something is not functioning properly. I would fix that problem rather than enlarge the ejection port.
Post by: kirk13 on May 01, 2015, 06:41:32 AM
Post by: David on May 01, 2015, 08:18:57 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on May 01, 2015, 09:17:53 AM
Bullsmurf......unless his gunsmith charges $600 an hour to change an ejector/extractor/firing pin.
+ 1
If it happens regularly some people will have the ejection port enlarged, which can get pricey. If it happened to me on a regular basis I'd sell the gun.
Stovepiping is an occasional problem, particularly on some old guns, which is why there is an immediate action clearing drill. One of my pistols stovepipes regularly with a certain type of ammo (Blazer aluminum case), but works 100% with everything else.
In my opinion if you have to enlarge your ejection port something is not functioning properly. I would fix that problem rather than enlarge the ejection port.
Enlarging the ejection port is a fairly standard modification on 1911s set up for ISPC. When you're shooting in competition every little advantage helps.
Post by: captain spaulding on May 01, 2015, 09:26:40 AM
Bullsmurf......unless his gunsmith charges $600 an hour to change an ejector/extractor/firing pin.
+ 1
If it happens regularly some people will have the ejection port enlarged, which can get pricey. If it happened to me on a regular basis I'd sell the gun.
Stovepiping is an occasional problem, particularly on some old guns, which is why there is an immediate action clearing drill. One of my pistols stovepipes regularly with a certain type of ammo (Blazer aluminum case), but works 100% with everything else.
In my opinion if you have to enlarge your ejection port something is not functioning properly. I would fix that problem rather than enlarge the ejection port.
Enlarging the ejection port is a fairly standard modification on 1911s set up for ISPC. When you're shooting in competition every little advantage helps.
Ah, for ISPC yes. I thought we were talking personal firearms for range, hunting use.
Post by: Chako on May 01, 2015, 01:17:24 PM
"The 1911 was top of its game, back in 1912".
I puzzled over this statement until I saw an IPSC competition held at the club. I saw more 1911's jam during competition than I would care to see. I was and am still curious at shooting a .45 1911, but since that day, have put on the shelf my buying one to sate my curiosity. I plan to see if I can try someone else's 1911 down the road instead.
With that said, I have my IPSC course this weekend. Going to start tomorrow at 8 am sharp and go until 6ish, and repeat on Sunday. Looking forward to it, and also packing 700 rounds of factory 9 mm just in case I need it. :facepalm: :rofl:
Also, I went back to the only local gun shop (and the only place I can buy re-loading stuff locally) to see if I could buy some components for my Dillon Square Deal B press. I quickly found out they had plenty of small primers, brass, and that is about it. I wanted to buy a digital scale...no go. I wanted to buy 115 grain bullets...no go (they only had cast lead bullets in 125 grains). I wanted to buy some accessories for the press...no go. Best yet, I wanted to buy some powder...no go. Looks like I may have to make another 3.5 hour drive to Sudbury to find something somewhat local.
I did find that my ultrasonic cleaner works nicely on spent brass. The water only didn't do that great a job, so I added a little jewelry cleaner to the mix. Next on my list is some brasso or something like that. I may or may not need a rotary tumbler down the road. I have an old rock tumbler somewhere, but I think it is well and truly buried under a lot of stuff. If memory serves me correct, it may be too small to be of much use anyways.
Post by: kosmo on May 01, 2015, 02:15:04 PM
I have heard a few club members make this statement:
"The 1911 was top of its game, back in 1912".
I puzzled over this statement until I saw an IPSC competition held at the club. I saw more 1911's jam during competition than I would care to see. I was and am still curious at shooting a .45 1911, but since that day, have put on the shelf my buying one to sate my curiosity. I plan to see if I can try someone else's 1911 down the road instead.
With that said, I have my IPSC course this weekend. Going to start tomorrow at 8 am sharp and go until 6ish, and repeat on Sunday. Looking forward to it, and also packing 700 rounds of factory 9 mm just in case I need it. :facepalm: :rofl:
Also, I went back to the only local gun shop (and the only place I can buy re-loading stuff locally) to see if I could buy some components for my Dillon Square Deal B press. I quickly found out they had plenty of small primers, brass, and that is about it. I wanted to buy a digital scale...no go. I wanted to buy 115 grain bullets...no go (they only had cast lead bullets in 125 grains). I wanted to buy some accessories for the press...no go. Best yet, I wanted to buy some powder...no go. Looks like I may have to make another 3.5 hour drive to Sudbury to find something somewhat local.
I did find that my ultrasonic cleaner works nicely on spent brass. The water only didn't do that great a job, so I added a little jewelry cleaner to the mix. Next on my list is some brasso or something like that. I may or may not need a rotary tumbler down the road. I have an old rock tumbler somewhere, but I think it is well and truly buried under a lot of stuff. If memory serves me correct, it may be too small to be of much use anyways.
I usually buy all components on-line except for those with a $ hazard charge $ (powder and primers). There has been issues with finding powder and primers in recent years with the ammo scares. I can usually find what I want at gun shows. If you are talking about practice ammo or competition handgun ammo, you might consider copper plated bullets. They are very well priced and you can buy them on-line. I recently bought some from this company, they have good prices, cheap shipping and you can buy from them directly.
http://www.xtremebullets.com/9mm-s/9666.htm
I would look at MidwayUSA, Brownells or other on-line sources for electronic scales.
Post by: jerseydevil on May 01, 2015, 03:15:42 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on May 01, 2015, 03:53:22 PM
The reason those 1911's are jamming during competition are that they're too tight. Pick up an issue .45 and it will rattle. Those loose tolerances are what keeps them running. There's a reason that the US military kept them as standard issue for 71 years, and they're still seeing combat 103 years later.......
+1 Other non standard things like heavy recoil springs (messes up the mechanical timing of the design causing the extractor to ride over the rim), barrel bushings fitted too tightly etc. I been shooting 1911's since 1976 and I can count jams on one hand. Most were due to worn out mags or crummy reloads....then there was that match where I was hip shooting though a cut square in a plywood barrier....held too high and my rear sight clipped the plywood during recoil...that caused a stoppage. :facepalm:
There are a lot of good pistol designs out there but for me, the 1911 is still the most natural pointing and easiest to shoot accurately... :salute:
Post by: David on May 01, 2015, 06:30:41 PM
I have heard a few club members make this statement:
"The 1911 was top of its game, back in 1912".
Who ever is making that statement is showing their ignorance. That sounds real tough down at the club with the boys but is bravo sierra in the real world. I use to shoot a little IDPA at a local range for fun. For me it was just fun and extra pratice. I'm not very competitive by nature. One day one of the young studs asked me where I learned to shoot like that. He said your not the fastest shot out here but you dont miss. My reply was I learned a long time a go you cant shoot fast enough to make up misses and if you lay your shooting foundations correctly and maintain them the rest will follow. I was shooting a stock Springfield 1911 Loaded. I cut my teeth reading gun cranks like Elmer Keith, Col. Charlie Askins, Jeff Cooper, Bill Jordon, Skeeter Skelton etc.. As Clint Smith says shoot till your happy! :)
Post by: jerseydevil on May 01, 2015, 06:43:52 PM
Post by: David on May 01, 2015, 06:54:39 PM
Jeff Cooper would approve of your 1911 David. Mr. Keith and Mr. Skelton , however...... ;)
Tom I just happen to have a few revolvers those gentelmen would approve of. :D
Post by: SAK Guy on May 01, 2015, 06:56:16 PM
I have heard a few club members make this statement:
"The 1911 was top of its game, back in 1912".
Who ever is making that statement is showing their ignorance. That sounds real tough down at the club with the boys but is bravo sierra in the real world. I use to shoot a little IDPA at a local range for fun. For me it was just fun and extra pratice. I'm not very competitive by nature. One day one of the young studs asked me where I learned to shoot like that. He said your not the fastest shot out here but you dont miss. My reply was I learned a long time a go you cant shoot fast enough to make up misses and if you lay your shooting foundations correctly and maintain them the rest will follow. I was shooting a stock Springfield 1911 Loaded. I cut my teeth reading gun cranks like Elmer Keith, Col. Charlie Askins, Jeff Cooper, Bill Jordon, Skeeter Skelton etc.. As Clint Smith says shoot till your happy! :)
Gee, we grew up reading the same authors... :cheers: My guns are stock except for aftermarket grips and one has a Brown Precision Solid Barrel Bushing (in place of the Colt collet bushing).
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 01, 2015, 06:59:55 PM
Even though I have had a CCW non stop for over 10 years in other states. Former law enforcement officer and over 25 years in the military I still had to take a class in Texas for there CCW.
Oh well any excuse to shoot is ok by me.
Took the new CZ P 07 with trigger work by Cajun Gun Works. Best pistol trigger I have ever used by far.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150413_223707_496.jpg~original)
Brought Lovechild along just in case but she was not needed.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps201504139522382195287.jpg~original)
The course of fire was easy with shots from 3,7 and 15 yards. Perfect score in case you was wondering.
Post by: Chako on May 01, 2015, 08:14:22 PM
Harley, nice CZ.
Post by: Chako on May 02, 2015, 12:03:09 AM
I took their last powder, a 1lb Hodgdon HP-38 container. I also bought 1 package of cast lead 115 grain bullets in 500 quantity to get me started. She was telling me that the 124 grain bullet would take less powder...something to consider on my next bullet buy. I also bought 1000 Winchester small primers, a Hornady rotary tumbler, corn cob medium, a bottle of medium rejuvenation, and an electronic scale accurate to 0.1g. Get this, they had them in the archery area to weight arrows. :facepalm:
Now all I need to do is after my course this weekend, figure where to install my press upstairs, go buy two or so bolts to install it, and I should be in business after a little room cleaning. :tu:
I was told that those steel Russian 9 mm casings I lovingly picked up and cleaned may not work in the press. I bought two bags of 100 brass casings just in case. I also have some shot once Remington brass. So worse case scenario, I should have around 400 spent casings. Going to try one of those metal casings when I can...so I won't throw them out just yet.
Does anyone know if those metal 9 mm cases will work, or should I just toss them and focus on the brass?
Post by: SAK Guy on May 02, 2015, 12:15:58 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on May 02, 2015, 12:31:46 AM
One of the local ranges had a CZ P07 for rent. Shot it a number of times. Very accurate and dead-on. So picked one up. Mine had groups 3-4 times larger and substantially low and to the left. Some times I'm snake-bit. So back to the CZ 75 Shadow and the HK USP.
Post by: captain spaulding on May 02, 2015, 12:34:48 AM
Brass. Never heard of steel cases reloaded....no elasticity like brass.
This. ^^^
Just toss the steel case stuff.
Post by: Chako on May 02, 2015, 12:44:06 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on May 02, 2015, 12:59:29 AM
Last two Colt 1911s I had didn't work new out of the box. One of them wouldn't even chamber; had an undersized breach face that wouldn't allow a round to chamber. Obviously never test fired. That pretty much soured me on both 1911s and Colt. Did shoot a Kimber 1911 a few years back. Very nice, but not enough to buy one.
One of the local ranges had a CZ P07 for rent. Shot it a number of times. Very accurate and dead-on. So picked one up. Mine had groups 3-4 times larger and substantially low and to the left. Some times I'm snake-bit. So back to the CZ 75 Shadow and the HK USP.
I had heard some stuff about Colt...very sad. Mine are Early 80's-90's and the bulk of mine in the past were Series 70's guns. Out of 20+ Colt 1911s (Govts, Commanders and Gold Cups), never a bad one...never.
I strayed and bought a different 1911 brand only once....the old timers will probably remember MS Safari Arms. Shot three rounds out of it....on the 3rd shot, the front red insert flew out and the hammer fell to half cock. It went back the next day and I had my traded in stock Government Model back in my hands.
Now, that ain't to say I didn't mix in some Browing HPs, Smiths, Colts and Rugers occasionally! :D
Post by: kosmo on May 02, 2015, 01:41:59 AM
Brass. Never heard of steel cases reloaded....no elasticity like brass.
This. ^^^
Just toss the steel case stuff.
Getting steel cases stuck in your nice new SDB won't be enjoyable. Throw them away. I wouldn't recommend reloading aluminum cases either. 9mm brass is easy to come by, perhaps the easiest brass to find.
Post by: ColoSwiss on May 02, 2015, 03:16:13 AM
Last two Colt 1911s I had didn't work new out of the box. One of them wouldn't even chamber; had an undersized breach face that wouldn't allow a round to chamber. Obviously never test fired. That pretty much soured me on both 1911s and Colt. Did shoot a Kimber 1911 a few years back. Very nice, but not enough to buy one.
One of the local ranges had a CZ P07 for rent. Shot it a number of times. Very accurate and dead-on. So picked one up. Mine had groups 3-4 times larger and substantially low and to the left. Some times I'm snake-bit. So back to the CZ 75 Shadow and the HK USP.
I had heard some stuff about Colt...very sad. Mine are Early 80's-90's and the bulk of mine in the past were Series 70's guns. Out of 20+ Colt 1911s (Govts, Commanders and Gold Cups), never a bad one...never.
I strayed and bought a different 1911 brand only once....the old timers will probably remember MS Safari Arms. Shot three rounds out of it....on the 3rd shot, the front red insert flew out and the hammer fell to half cock. It went back the next day and I had my traded in stock Government Model back in my hands.
Now, that ain't to say I didn't mix in some Browing HPs, Smiths, Colts and Rugers occasionally! :D
Had a Series 70 9mm that was so accurate I had custom sights installed. Decided in a weak moment it was too large and heavy for the load and the mag capacity, so sold it. :ahhh
The CZ Shadow came along later and is a good replacement. Live and learn (sometimes).
Post by: SAK Guy on May 02, 2015, 05:00:26 AM
Last two Colt 1911s I had didn't work new out of the box. One of them wouldn't even chamber; had an undersized breach face that wouldn't allow a round to chamber. Obviously never test fired. That pretty much soured me on both 1911s and Colt. Did shoot a Kimber 1911 a few years back. Very nice, but not enough to buy one.
One of the local ranges had a CZ P07 for rent. Shot it a number of times. Very accurate and dead-on. So picked one up. Mine had groups 3-4 times larger and substantially low and to the left. Some times I'm snake-bit. So back to the CZ 75 Shadow and the HK USP.
I had heard some stuff about Colt...very sad. Mine are Early 80's-90's and the bulk of mine in the past were Series 70's guns. Out of 20+ Colt 1911s (Govts, Commanders and Gold Cups), never a bad one...never.
I strayed and bought a different 1911 brand only once....the old timers will probably remember MS Safari Arms. Shot three rounds out of it....on the 3rd shot, the front red insert flew out and the hammer fell to half cock. It went back the next day and I had my traded in stock Government Model back in my hands.
Now, that ain't to say I didn't mix in some Browing HPs, Smiths, Colts and Rugers occasionally! :D
Had a Series 70 9mm that was so accurate I had custom sights installed. Decided in a weak moment it was too large and heavy for the load and the mag capacity, so sold it. :ahhh
The CZ Shadow came along later and is a good replacement. Live and learn (sometimes).
The CZ designs are solid...always wanted to try a 75! :tu:
Post by: BASguy on May 02, 2015, 05:05:14 AM
Took apart the Remington 870 shotgun tonight and boy, what a mess it was. Learning quickly that sometimes, the local gun shop is a mess. I got the shotgun back from the local shop after they had to use a Dremel on two dimples inside the magazine tube. Once gone, it allows full access to the extension tube.
Well, got the shotgun back and took it out to the range, and damaged the second factory red dot sight. Noted after a few rounds something was really off. It felt like there was a lot of sand in it. I quickly stopped and thought to myself...no he didn't did he?
Well tonight was the first time I was able to take it apart. Man oh man, you should have seen the metal shavings. The local shop Dremeled away the two dimples alright, without taking the magazine tube off, or shoving any thing in the tube to catch metal shavings. Consequently, all that crap went into the action. :facepalm:
After a good half hour of TLC, the shotgun is feeling better than ever. To whoever did that to my shotgun.... :twak:
All I keep hearing from you is people at the gun stores doing idiotic things to your guns or just plain acting like dumb asses. If I were you I would stay far away from having anyone work on your firearms unless it is completely necessary. I'm not lecturing you, but you should be doing these simple things yourself. Again, I am not trying to be rude.
Maybe I don't get out much, but don't hear too many gunsmith horror stories in my parts. A bad gunsmith can ruin the rep of a shop and destroy the business pretty quickly. I'm sure there's always gonna be unhappy customers, but this kind of thing is really surprising to me.
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Post by: Chako on May 02, 2015, 12:54:08 PM
Unfortunately, I still have to depend on the local gun shop for some things. They still have a set of Hi-Point mags on order for me (who knows when those will come in), and a Trueglow red dot sight that should be replaced sometime soon (I hope).
Likewise, they are the only local place to buy things...that is if I would like to stroll into a store and buy things direct. I may have to move my operations online more, or make an other trip to Sudbury.
Their bonehead antics have caused me to buy my last 2 rifles from out of town.
Yes, I am learning. I have talked to several club members, and some of those guys have boycotted the local gun shop since the mid 90s. :ahhh
Anyhow, going to log off, got a full day ahead at the club. :salute:
Post by: David on May 02, 2015, 07:02:18 PM
Last two Colt 1911s I had didn't work new out of the box. One of them wouldn't even chamber; had an undersized breach face that wouldn't allow a round to chamber. Obviously never test fired. That pretty much soured me on both 1911s and Colt. Did shoot a Kimber 1911 a few years back. Very nice, but not enough to buy one.
One of the local ranges had a CZ P07 for rent. Shot it a number of times. Very accurate and dead-on. So picked one up. Mine had groups 3-4 times larger and substantially low and to the left. Some times I'm snake-bit. So back to the CZ 75 Shadow and the HK USP.
I had heard some stuff about Colt...very sad. Mine are Early 80's-90's and the bulk of mine in the past were Series 70's guns. Out of 20+ Colt 1911s (Govts, Commanders and Gold Cups), never a bad one...never.
I strayed and bought a different 1911 brand only once....the old timers will probably remember MS Safari Arms. Shot three rounds out of it....on the 3rd shot, the front red insert flew out and the hammer fell to half cock. It went back the next day and I had my traded in stock Government Model back in my hands.
Now, that ain't to say I didn't mix in some Browing HPs, Smiths, Colts and Rugers occasionally! :D
:tu: :)
I've had a Colt Combat Commander and Government Model both 70 series from the late seventies. Both of those were modified By James Hoag. No longer have either of those now. My present 1911 is a stock Springfield Loaded of wich I've put an extractor and firing pin stop from Wilson Combat in it. The main problem with the 1911 is its popularity. To many manufactures, gunsmiths and after market accessories that are designed to sell but dont work well have tarnished its reputation. Given a good 1911 and a good gunsmith who knows what they are doing to maintane it. It is my choice in an semi-auto pistol. Why a good gunsmith? If you shoot a lot you will need maintance work on it to keep it running good just like your car. I'm not against other semi-autos there are some good guns out there. Dont tell any one but I do like some of the combat tupperware out there. It just took me 20+ years to get there. :D :D
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 02, 2015, 07:22:42 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on May 02, 2015, 07:39:05 PM
You could just get a Glock or CZ and skip the whole hassle.
A Glock has too high a grip angle for me to point shoot....been using 1911s for too long.
Used to be able to draw and point shoot a double tap into the bull at 10 yards in under a sec but that was 10 years ago. I maybe shoot 10 rounds a year now. :(
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 02, 2015, 07:51:49 PM
You could just get a Glock or CZ and skip the whole hassle.
A Glock has too high a grip angle for me to point shoot....been using 1911s for too long.
Used to be able to draw and point shoot a double tap into the bull at 10 yards in under a sec but that was 10 years ago. I maybe shoot 10 rounds a year now. :(
Well as you know the CZ is your cup of tea then.
Seeing how you are not shooting much maybe we should work out a sale?
Post by: SAK Guy on May 02, 2015, 07:57:47 PM
You could just get a Glock or CZ and skip the whole hassle.
A Glock has too high a grip angle for me to point shoot....been using 1911s for too long.
Used to be able to draw and point shoot a double tap into the bull at 10 yards in under a sec but that was 10 years ago. I maybe shoot 10 rounds a year now. :(
Well as you know the CZ is your cup of tea then.
Seeing how you are not shooting much maybe we should work out a sale?
You looking to sell your CZ? :D
Post by: Chako on May 03, 2015, 12:50:03 AM
They want us back tomorrow at 9 am sharp to start. I am thinking of going earlier to get some practice in. :tu:
Post by: SAK Guy on May 03, 2015, 01:09:51 AM
Post by: Chako on May 03, 2015, 01:41:32 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 03, 2015, 04:03:38 AM
First day over for the IPSC black badge course. It was a blast. I was feeling a bit bad about myself seeing how most of the other guys were shooting (I had to re-do a few of the exercises throughout the day due to misses), that was until I talked to a few of them, and found out they had been shooting for years. There were 3 or 4 newbies, and I think I was the most junior in experience to all of them. I got most of the forms and ideas real quick, but my accuracy wasn't where I would like it to be (my fifth time out with the M&P), especially at the farthest distances. I also tend to shoot low (my nemesis to-date), but with that said, I am sure it will come with practice.
They want us back tomorrow at 9 am sharp to start. I am thinking of going earlier to get some practice in. :tu:
Excellent!
Tonite is where you can make some progress doing dry fire while the shooting you did today is still a fresh memory.
Post by: Chako on May 03, 2015, 08:15:09 PM
Well I took them off and I was shooting a lot better. So well that I wasn't asked to re-do any stages today. I passed the course. Now I have to shoot a sanctioned match, send in my info card, and I will be sent a black badge. :cheers:
Hmmm...I have had 8 soft strikes on 8 separate 9 mm rounds. I was shooting Barnaul, which is made in Russia. Not sure if the ammo is the issue, or my M&P. Going to try something different and see if it still persist. If not, then it is the ammunition. I think I will be staying away from this stuff anyways as I found out recently you can't re-use the casings...and it is only 2 dollars cheaper than the Remington's that use brass casings.
Post by: David on May 03, 2015, 08:26:17 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on May 03, 2015, 08:47:28 PM
I got at the range an hour early to get some much needed practice time. I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong yesterday, as I was shooting a lot better when I go alone. I then looked back at what I changed and figured out that I was wearing a cheap pair of plastic safety glasses...the type that are designed to fit over prescription glassware. These caused me nothing but problems with distortions, glares, and haze.
Well I took them off and I was shooting a lot better. So well that I wasn't asked to re-do any stages today. I passed the course. Now I have to shoot a sanctioned match, send in my info card, and I will be sent a black badge. :cheers:
Hmmm...I have had 8 soft strikes on 8 separate 9 mm rounds. I was shooting Barnaul, which is made in Russia. Not sure if the ammo is the issue, or my M&P. Going to try something different and see if it still persist. If not, then it is the ammunition. I think I will be staying away from this stuff anyways as I found out recently you can't re-use the casings...and it is only 2 dollars cheaper than the Remington's that use brass casings.
Google soft primer strikes with Smith and Wesson M&P and a lot of hits come back...probably worth a read.
Post by: Chako on May 03, 2015, 08:53:30 PM
Post by: Chako on May 03, 2015, 10:34:40 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on May 03, 2015, 10:55:59 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on May 03, 2015, 11:26:02 PM
I got at the range an hour early to get some much needed practice time. I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong yesterday, as I was shooting a lot better when I go alone. I then looked back at what I changed and figured out that I was wearing a cheap pair of plastic safety glasses...the type that are designed to fit over prescription glassware. These caused me nothing but problems with distortions, glares, and haze.
Well I took them off and I was shooting a lot better. So well that I wasn't asked to re-do any stages today. I passed the course. Now I have to shoot a sanctioned match, send in my info card, and I will be sent a black badge. :cheers:
Hmmm...I have had 8 soft strikes on 8 separate 9 mm rounds. I was shooting Barnaul, which is made in Russia. Not sure if the ammo is the issue, or my M&P. Going to try something different and see if it still persist. If not, then it is the ammunition. I think I will be staying away from this stuff anyways as I found out recently you can't re-use the casings...and it is only 2 dollars cheaper than the Remington's that use brass casings.
Seems like you figured it out already, but I would stay away from steel cased stuff as well as Russian ammunition. I normally only buy Federal (brass) ammunition. It has been the most consistent and normally cheaper than the more expensive Winchester and Remington ammunition. I tend to stay away from Remington ammunition all together after multiple occasions of questionable and obvious quality issues.
Post by: ColoSwiss on May 04, 2015, 12:10:13 AM
On your reload cases make sure they're Boxer cases with a single centered flash hole; not Berdan cases with two off-center flash holes. Most American is Boxer primed; a lot of European in Berdan primed
Post by: kosmo on May 04, 2015, 02:07:54 AM
Post by: Chako on May 04, 2015, 02:58:19 AM
So yes, I won't be buying anymore of the Barnaul ammo. I still have 500 rounds of this after the course.
Post by: David on May 04, 2015, 03:35:35 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on May 04, 2015, 04:08:12 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 04, 2015, 04:47:55 AM
Well this is what I was doing. At the local Canadian Tire, they stocked 2 types of 9 mm ammunition. Russian Barnaul, and Czech Sellier & Bellot. The Sellier ammo was a dollar more. I bought a few boxes of each every now and then. Then the Czech ammo disappeared and they only had the Russian stuff. Hence I bought a lot of the Russian stuff in fear that this supply of 9 mm ammo would dry up. They brought in a more expensive Remington 9 mm, and I started buying this instead. By this time, I had around 700 9 mm rounds of the Russian stuff.
So yes, I won't be buying anymore of the Barnaul ammo. I still have 500 rounds of this after the course.
What is expensive up in the GWN?
I pay about 24 USDollars for 100 rounds on Winchester 115 grain 9mm here.
Post by: David on May 04, 2015, 09:40:30 AM
I had problems with light primer strikes with a S&W 586 357 Magnum. I finally traded it for something else. I found out later that some S&W revolvers have problems with some primers, including CCI primers. I still use CCI primers and haven't had issues with other firearms so far.
I had not heard about S&W having this problem. I not as tuned in to the gun world as I once was. My Smiths are older guns and dont suffer from that problem.
Post by: David on May 04, 2015, 09:47:03 AM
Looks like fun!!! :tu:
It was. I dont shoot much any more but joined in the other day when the guys showed up. That AR was chambered for the 300 Blackout and was fun to play with as I hadnt shot one before. I really enjoyed shooting Doc Tonys Winchester 92 in 38-40. You cant see it in the picture but it has an octagon barrel. Its a sweet little rife. :)
Post by: David on May 04, 2015, 09:53:37 AM
Post by: Chako on May 04, 2015, 12:46:59 PM
Sellier & Bellot 9 mm 50 rounds = 18 dollars
Barnaul 9 mm 50 rounds = 17 dollars
20 rounds of 30-06 can run from 23 dollars up to 50 dollars
.22 LR box of Remington Golden Bullets 525 round count = 40 something dollars
This is all at Canadian Tire. The local gun shop prices are higher overall.
Post by: kosmo on May 04, 2015, 01:31:03 PM
I had problems with light primer strikes with a S&W 586 357 Magnum. I finally traded it for something else. I found out later that some S&W revolvers have problems with some primers, including CCI primers. I still use CCI primers and haven't had issues with other firearms so far.
I had not heard about S&W having this problem. I not as tuned in to the gun world as I once was. My Smiths are older guns and dont suffer from that problem.
From people I've talked to since then, it is a known problem. It may be S&W that have been modified or trigger jobs. This guy made a video on the problem.
https://youtu.be/ncq2E7PHHmU
Post by: David on May 04, 2015, 07:38:35 PM
I had problems with light primer strikes with a S&W 586 357 Magnum. I finally traded it for something else. I found out later that some S&W revolvers have problems with some primers, including CCI primers. I still use CCI primers and haven't had issues with other firearms so far.
I had not heard about S&W having this problem. I not as tuned in to the gun world as I once was. My Smiths are older guns and dont suffer from that problem.
From people I've talked to since then, it is a known problem. It may be S&W that have been modified or trigger jobs. This guy made a video on the problem.
https://youtu.be/ncq2E7PHHmU
If these came from the factory like that its not good. If a gunsmith did it it can usually be corrected fairly easily. I've had a lot of guns modified to my personal needs but I've always went to top gunsmiths while they are expensive you seldom have problem with their work like you would with the shade tree gunsmiths out there. I'm glad you posted that video. :tu: It saved me a very long winded reply. :D
Post by: kosmo on May 04, 2015, 10:06:58 PM
I had problems with light primer strikes with a S&W 586 357 Magnum. I finally traded it for something else. I found out later that some S&W revolvers have problems with some primers, including CCI primers. I still use CCI primers and haven't had issues with other firearms so far.
I had not heard about S&W having this problem. I not as tuned in to the gun world as I once was. My Smiths are older guns and dont suffer from that problem.
From people I've talked to since then, it is a known problem. It may be S&W that have been modified or trigger jobs. This guy made a video on the problem.
https://youtu.be/ncq2E7PHHmU
If these came from the factory like that its not good. If a gunsmith did it it can usually be corrected fairly easily. I've had a lot of guns modified to my personal needs but I've always went to top gunsmiths while they are expensive you seldom have problem with their work like you would with the shade tree gunsmiths out there. I'm glad you posted that video. :tu: It saved me a very long winded reply. :D
True, but it's not typical to take apart the inner workings of a gun to find out their condition when buy them second had, or new for that matter. Although I am very mechanically inclined, I don't have the expertise of a gunsmith. I didn't encounter this problem until I started shooting my hand loads. They shoot fine from my other 357's.
If I had known about this issue, I might have tried to have it adjusted. I might have even changed primers, but I didn't find out about it until I had traded it way. I had more issues with S&W 586 that I didn't like, the light primer strikes was one issue. My 586 was a long barrel ~8". It was very difficult to shoot the 8" S&W 586 accurately in double action. Even though it had a nice smooth trigger pull. Pulling a trigger in double action while steadying a long 8" barrel is very difficult. In single action my hands were large enough that I had to reposition my hand (twist my wrist) or the trigger was well into the second pad of my trigger finger (beyond the first joint). I tried putting a larger Hogue grip on it, but it still suffered from this problem. I found it very annoying to have to reposition my hand depending on whether I was shooting it double action or single action.
I've since switched to a TC Contender with Pachmayr grip. It is also an 8" barrel. But because it doesn't have a cylinder, it compares favorably with the length of a 6" revolver. It is single action only and the grip size to trigger finger is much better than the S&W 586/686.
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I also have a Ruger LCR in 357 Magnum. It has a prefect grip size for me and it is double action only, so I don't have the issue that I had with the S&W.
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Post by: captain spaulding on May 04, 2015, 11:20:23 PM
Post by: kosmo on May 04, 2015, 11:32:43 PM
Sweet LCR. Ruger just came out with a new one this year. The LCRx.
The LCRx with the exposed hammer has been tempting me. I REALLY like the 3" LCRx! But I decided I'd wait and see if they come out with a 357 Magnum. I'm all set up to load 357 Magnum and I can load it hot or mild. I really don't want to start loading 38 Special.
Post by: captain spaulding on May 05, 2015, 12:06:14 AM
Sweet LCR. Ruger just came out with a new one this year. The LCRx.
The LCRx with the exposed hammer has been tempting me. I REALLY like the 3" LCRx! But I decided I'd wait and see if they come out with a 357 Magnum. I'm all set up to load 357 Magnum and I can load it hot or mild. I really don't want to start loading 38 Special.
I would wait for the .357 as well. :tu:
Post by: Chako on May 07, 2015, 02:29:06 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on May 07, 2015, 02:32:56 AM
Post by: Chako on May 07, 2015, 05:01:18 AM
The bad news. After cleaning the shell casings in my Hornady rotary tumbler, I dumped the corn media into a giant bucket and placed it on the floor. As I am picking up each individual cleaned casing, I hear a funny noise. I look down and my Gracy is having a huge potty time in my brass tumbler media. :facepalm:
The good news...I bought a huge box of it...but dang. I was told this stuff should last me for a long time. Guess next time, I won't absentmindedly place it on the floor. :rofl:
Post by: Gareth on May 07, 2015, 09:31:27 AM
The good news. Today, I was able to pick up around 150 brass 9 mm casings. Looks like the police got some practice. They are notorious for never picking up their brass. Their loss is my gain.
The bad news. After cleaning the shell casings in my Hornady rotary tumbler, I dumped the corn media into a giant bucket and placed it on the floor. As I am picking up each individual cleaned casing, I hear a funny noise. I look down and my Gracy is having a huge potty time in my brass tumbler media. :facepalm:
The good news...I bought a huge box of it...but dang. I was told this stuff should last me for a long time. Guess next time, I won't absentmindedly place it on the floor. :rofl:
:rofl:
Sorry buddy, I do hate to laugh at other people's misfortunes, but I couldn't help it. :D
Post by: Chako on May 07, 2015, 12:33:54 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on May 07, 2015, 03:03:55 PM
Post by: zoidberg on May 07, 2015, 03:14:21 PM
So...that's how smurfty reloads happen..... ???
:D
Post by: Chako on May 09, 2015, 05:20:06 AM
I want the press in my gun room as it is one of the few locking interior doors in the house. I was going to put it upstairs, but it is like a hundred degrees up there.
So begins the movement of 2 lockers. I finally got to this configuration which allows me easy access to everything.
I have been looking for the sturdiest piece of furniture I had upstairs, and came up with this very sturdy and well made printer stand. I was using it for printer paper storage...but I think it has potential for the press. I plan on bolting it to the rear wall for added stability. It also has plenty of storage underneath for powder and other items.
The issue is one of height. The printer stand is only 22 inches high. I can order a Dillon strong mount which will raise that 8 1/2 inches more. Once I got that in there, I think I will definitely have to go that route.
So what do you guys think...is it feasible?
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7980small_zpsixijmlwy.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7980small_zpsixijmlwy.jpg.html)
Post by: ColoSwiss on May 09, 2015, 05:35:01 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on May 09, 2015, 07:21:31 AM
A quick google lends good reading:
How Bad - Primer Explosion
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=233739
Post by: David on May 09, 2015, 09:21:44 AM
If that's a laminated board printer stand it may not be sturdy enough. The the mounting surface will have to withstand stresses throughout the stroke of the press lever. That means from several directions...pull down,, pull back up etc. I say this because full length resizing sometimes takes some force to accomplish which might loosen that top. Those stands are designed to hold weight but maybe not omnidirectional stresses on the top The rule of thumb is to mount the press on a a very heavy, solid surface....or at least it was 30 years ago. ColoSwiss' idea might be better...those cabinets are pretty sturdy but take care about storing the powder so close to a tube of live primers...I had a friend that did custom and bulk reloads for a living...his primer feed tube detonated and he had a bunch of small holes in the ceiling where the primers exited the tube. His powder was in a cabinet across the room. Again..all my reloading experience is 30+ years old.
A quick google lends good reading:
How Bad - Primer Explosion
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=233739
Agreed. You need a very solid base to base mount your press onto. I've been reloading for 39 years if my memory has not failed me. :)
Post by: Chako on May 09, 2015, 12:47:22 PM
Hmmm...I just did a google search for reloading benches, and it looks like quite a few folks use a Black and Decker Workmate for a portable solution. Now that has got me thinking. :think:
Post by: kosmo on May 09, 2015, 01:36:15 PM
http://www.harborfreight.com/universal-bench-grinder-stand-3184.html
I used the Lee Bench Plate
http://leeprecision.com/bench-plate.html
Post by: Chako on May 09, 2015, 02:27:02 PM
Can't wait to go to my first gun show. :tu:
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/1588942535_zpstzjljgus.png) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/1588942535_zpstzjljgus.png.html)
Maybe I will get more ideas from there.
Post by: jerseydevil on May 09, 2015, 03:06:31 PM
Post by: Chako on May 10, 2015, 12:19:51 AM
Inside the archery range was a knife seller from Sudbury. I stayed away as I quickly noted that some of the items they were selling were definite fakes being sold at full retail. Once I saw that I didn't want to buy anything from them. The local gun shop was also there with a good variety of rifles.
Downstairs in the indoor pistol range, a variety of vendors were present. Nothing all that exciting. It ranged from rifles, shotguns, and some reloading supplies. I was most interested in the reloading stuff, but quickly found out there was nothing for my machine, or for 9mm as far as that went. I did find a few gems here however.
Things like these Leatherman 25th Anniversary pins.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7986small_zpspfwljofi.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7986small_zpspfwljofi.jpg.html)
I also found this used Wenger Esquire with the Bell Yellowpage phone book logo for 2 bucks.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7991small_zpsd9rwnwtq.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7991small_zpsd9rwnwtq.jpg.html)
A Spyderco something or other. Not even sure if it is a real one. Paid 3 bucks for this little knife.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7992small_zpsm0n3ntf1.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7992small_zpsm0n3ntf1.jpg.html)
I was about to leave and see some of the outdoor events, but something made me do a second round. At one of the tables I spied a SOG MT. I did a double take as it was a nice Tini one. I looked at the price and bought it on the spot. I paid 45 for it. The guy who sold it to me said he had bought it years ago and never used it. Yes, I found a Tini SOG Power Plier. :multi:
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7993small_zpsxcidkmyg.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7993small_zpsxcidkmyg.jpg.html)
He was right, brand spanking new.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7996small_zpswgvclnul.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7996small_zpswgvclnul.jpg.html)
After that purchase, and a few freebies thrown in for good measure from some of the companies involved, I went outside to see what was going on. They had an archery pit where people could try out a bow, a handgun location, as well as skeet, shotgun, and the rifle section where you could try out a 50 caliber rifle. You had to pay to try them out...and I always wanted to try a .45 1911, and that 50 caliber rifle, well I wasn't expecting that...but if the opportunity presents itself...one must take that opportunity up, and right quick at that!. I am sorry I tried that 1911, because I like the feel of it a little too much. I found it to be very comparable to my 9mm for recoil...and I imagine it is due to the 1911 being an all metal gun and therefore absorbs the recoil a lot better than my 9mm which is half polymer. The 40 Glock I tried was a lot worse then the 1911. I now know what people mean when they say that the 1911 just points naturally. I got to shoot a metal target that spins around on its axis. I missed once, but that 1911 just shot where I pointed it. Very nice.
The 50 was just visceral. I mean, it assaults your senses. It wasn't bad for recoil...but I shot this thing in a covered shooting gallery. The back blast was felt more than anything else. The noise was something also...but now I can say I shot a 50 caliber single shot rifle.
A good day all in all.
Post by: Chako on May 10, 2015, 01:57:53 AM
I went out and bought one of these, and a few pieces of 2"x 10" Pine. Still thinking about this...but here is a somewhat mock up.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7997small_zpsmvpssydr.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7997small_zpsmvpssydr.jpg.html)
Or I could always clamp one of these boards on top of the previously mentioned printer stand. :think:
Post by: ColoSwiss on May 10, 2015, 03:29:20 AM
Your S&W has a grip angle similar to the 1911, so it feels like what you're used to. Generations of shooters who grew up on revolvers hated the 1911. All what you're used to.
If you're looking for a steel-framed auto, but don't want to go to another cartridge, check out the Browning Hi-Power and CZ 75. The aluminum framed Beretta M-92 also has a bit more heft. The Browning and CZ can also be had with adjustable sights. My personal choice would be the CZ for a variety of reasons including value for the buck.
S&W M&P - 24 oz
Colt 1911 - 39 oz
Browning Hi-Power - 32 oz
CZ 75 - 35 oz
Beretta M92 - 33 oz
Post by: David on May 10, 2015, 09:19:34 AM
Post by: Chako on May 10, 2015, 12:47:14 PM
Post by: Chako on May 10, 2015, 06:13:26 PM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_8003small_zpsjg3ox5pl.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_8003small_zpsjg3ox5pl.jpg.html)
Post by: SAK Guy on May 10, 2015, 06:26:40 PM
Post by: BASguy on May 11, 2015, 04:49:18 AM
Post by: BASguy on May 11, 2015, 04:50:40 AM
Ok, this is what I have right now. Stability is rather good, and it is portable...which I think is a great feature.That's a decent rig for being portable. Good work.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_8003small_zpsjg3ox5pl.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_8003small_zpsjg3ox5pl.jpg.html)
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Post by: Chako on May 12, 2015, 05:50:51 PM
Noticed right off the bat that my electronic scale which is accurate to 0.1 g will only show on the display down to 1.5 grains. Ok...but it get worse. The grain display will not show to the nearest 10th. Thus I am stuck at 4 grains, 5 grains, 6 grains, etc. :facepalm:
So much for accuracy. Guess I will have to find myself down to the gun shop and try to get something more accurate.
So what I did was to switch everything to grams and did this conversion:
1 grains = 0.06479891 gram
My chart shows that for a 125 grain bullet (mine are 124 grains), I need 4.8 grains of HP-38 powder.
So I calculated 4.8 grains x 0.06479891 grams = 0.311034 grams. I weighed my empty casing, and adjusted the machine to add only .3 more grams to the overall bullet weight.
Do you think I may be good? I think I should probably get a better scale. Less chance to make mistakes. I have made one bullet with a live primer...and stopped for now.
Post by: captain spaulding on May 12, 2015, 06:07:08 PM
Post by: Chako on May 12, 2015, 06:50:48 PM
Post by: kosmo on May 12, 2015, 07:56:22 PM
http://www.midwayusa.com/find?userSearchQuery=Powder+scale
Post by: Gareth on May 13, 2015, 01:38:14 AM
Post by: Chako on May 13, 2015, 02:08:31 AM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_8010small_zpsowhknywa.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_8010small_zpsowhknywa.jpg.html)
Also got a tool designed to separate bullet and powder from casing. I already used it once...and I can tell you, it is a bit counter intuitive to smack this against a hard surface with all your might while holding a live bullet. It does work well though. I took apart that first bullet I made with 6 hits of the hammer. :ahhh :D
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_8011small_zpse0z0ywnl.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_8011small_zpse0z0ywnl.jpg.html)
Post by: captain spaulding on May 13, 2015, 04:18:53 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 13, 2015, 05:26:51 PM
Here is a picture of my rifle.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150512_152436_152.jpg~original)
Been almost three years since I have shot this rifle because of the move to Texas and the stupid Global War on Terror so you have to cut me a break about this target. The first row was shot at about 9X and everything was going well. After reloading I decided to turn it up to 14X and everything became super blurry. Was running out of time before the range closed so I just went with it and as you can see it did not work out to well. Still glad to be out shooting at paper targets again so all in all a good day.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150512_152213_732.jpg~original)
Remembered today while I was cleaning my rifle that the focus is on the very front of this scope. Sigh.
Post by: Gareth on May 13, 2015, 06:52:39 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on May 13, 2015, 08:24:58 PM
Post by: Chako on May 13, 2015, 09:43:36 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 13, 2015, 11:08:33 PM
Nasty weather mate. :( Mind if I ask what distance you were shooting at?
Only 25 meters.
Chako you ain't seen nothing yet. Wait till I get everything sorted and can actually see the target. I am sure you will get there soon enough, I have been doing this for a living since 1988 or so.
Post by: ColoSwiss on May 14, 2015, 12:23:58 AM
Got out shooting yesterday but the weather did not cooperate at all. Windy and wet which do not go along well with .22lr one bit.
Here is a picture of my rifle.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150512_152436_152.jpg~original)
Been almost three years since I have shot this rifle because of the move to Texas and the stupid Global War on Terror so you have to cut me a break about this target. The first row was shot at about 9X and everything was going well. After reloading I decided to turn it up to 14X and everything became super blurry. Was running out of time before the range closed so I just went with it and as you can see it did not work out to well. Still glad to be out shooting at paper targets again so all in all a good day.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150512_152213_732.jpg~original)
Remembered today while I was cleaning my rifle that the focus is on the very front of this scope. Sigh.
Not bad for a beginner, I guess. :D
Post by: Chako on May 14, 2015, 02:36:11 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 14, 2015, 04:37:32 AM
Got out shooting yesterday but the weather did not cooperate at all. Windy and wet which do not go along well with .22lr one bit.
Here is a picture of my rifle.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150512_152436_152.jpg~original)
Been almost three years since I have shot this rifle because of the move to Texas and the stupid Global War on Terror so you have to cut me a break about this target. The first row was shot at about 9X and everything was going well. After reloading I decided to turn it up to 14X and everything became super blurry. Was running out of time before the range closed so I just went with it and as you can see it did not work out to well. Still glad to be out shooting at paper targets again so all in all a good day.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150512_152213_732.jpg~original)
Remembered today while I was cleaning my rifle that the focus is on the very front of this scope. Sigh.
Not bad for a beginner, I guess. :D
Oh now it was very bad but I will get it sorted.
Post by: Chako on May 17, 2015, 08:02:37 PM
It took me some time to open up the can of ammo. Not sure how one would do this in an emergency somewhere out on the battle field under fire? :think:
Here is half a crate = 1 giant olive green sardine can.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/RIMG0382small_zps1xbiyxlj.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/RIMG0382small_zps1xbiyxlj.jpg.html)
The tool needed to get in.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/RIMG0383small_zpsb3neke3o.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/RIMG0383small_zpsb3neke3o.jpg.html)
Once inside, these little boxes were crammed 2 deep so tight, they give you this ribbon to at least pry one out of there.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/RIMG0384small_zps0ihk3ppl.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/RIMG0384small_zps0ihk3ppl.jpg.html)
Each little box holds 20 rounds of corrosive Russian army ammo.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/RIMG0385small_zpszleinnrw.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/RIMG0385small_zpszleinnrw.jpg.html)
I now have 7 SKS stripper clips from the local gun shop, so all is good.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/RIMG0388small_zpslm8rkdfi.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/RIMG0388small_zpslm8rkdfi.jpg.html)
Post by: SAK Guy on May 17, 2015, 08:30:32 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on May 17, 2015, 10:48:45 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on May 17, 2015, 10:51:44 PM
Post by: Chako on May 18, 2015, 03:31:36 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on May 18, 2015, 07:40:08 AM
Price.
That's what I figured. They should perform well and if you ever "needed" any of them they are steel core so that's a plus. >:D I'm sure you already know but you need to clean your firearm very well after shooting these. Enjoy your can of fun! :D
Post by: Gareth on May 18, 2015, 09:39:43 AM
Post by: David on May 18, 2015, 10:00:55 AM
Doing a little internet browsing the other day and I was reminded of a pistol I'd always found interesting: the H&K P7 (M8/M13), also known as a "squeeze cocker" apparently. Any of you folks ever get to shoot one? Thoughts?
Years ago when the P7 came out I was interested in the gun but never bought one as they were quite expensive. I've never shot or handled one either. Rumor has it they are a bit on the delitcate side. Since I have no experience with the pistol I cant say one way or the other. :)
Post by: jerseydevil on May 18, 2015, 12:16:35 PM
Post by: Chako on May 18, 2015, 12:34:57 PM
Post by: Chako on May 18, 2015, 06:34:15 PM
I used 4.1 grains of Hodgdon HP-38 and a 124 grain copper jacketed bullet. :salute:
Post by: SAK Guy on May 18, 2015, 06:46:04 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on May 18, 2015, 06:52:58 PM
Doing a little internet browsing the other day and I was reminded of a pistol I'd always found interesting: the H&K P7 (M8/M13), also known as a "squeeze cocker" apparently. Any of you folks ever get to shoot one? Thoughts?
Years ago when the P7 came out I was interested in the gun but never bought one as they were quite expensive. I've never shot or handled one either. Rumor has it they are a bit on the delitcate side. Since I have no experience with the pistol I cant say one way or the other. :)
I read that rapid shooting will heat the area above the trigger where the gas tube is making it uncomfortable. This was early pistols. I think they fixed this...
Post by: David on May 18, 2015, 08:44:52 PM
Doing a little internet browsing the other day and I was reminded of a pistol I'd always found interesting: the H&K P7 (M8/M13), also known as a "squeeze cocker" apparently. Any of you folks ever get to shoot one? Thoughts?
Years ago when the P7 came out I was interested in the gun but never bought one as they were quite expensive. I've never shot or handled one either. Rumor has it they are a bit on the delitcate side. Since I have no experience with the pistol I cant say one way or the other. :)
I read that rapid shooting will heat the area above the trigger where the gas tube is making it uncomfortable. This was early pistols. I think they fixed this...
:tu: Thats good! I'd still like to shoot one some day. :)
Post by: ColoSwiss on May 19, 2015, 05:12:08 AM
Doing a little internet browsing the other day and I was reminded of a pistol I'd always found interesting: the H&K P7 (M8/M13), also known as a "squeeze cocker" apparently. Any of you folks ever get to shoot one? Thoughts?
Years ago when the P7 came out I was interested in the gun but never bought one as they were quite expensive. I've never shot or handled one either. Rumor has it they are a bit on the delitcate side. Since I have no experience with the pistol I cant say one way or the other. :)
I read that rapid shooting will heat the area above the trigger where the gas tube is making it uncomfortable. This was early pistols. I think they fixed this...
:tu: Thats good! I'd still like to shoot one some day. :)
Rapid fire of the P7 would definately heat the pistol up to the point it was uncomfortable to hold. Later production included a plastic shield in the upper part of the trigger guard to help alleviate the problem. Don't know how effective it was. I did not care for the squeeze cocking lever either physically or tactically. Was tiring to use, and when operated it made an audible click that could alert an enemy.
Was not a big fan of the P9 either. It required a very solid hold to function reliably. Hip shooting was out.
Those experiences made me a little leery of the HK USP when I first tried it. However that model is great; extremely accurate and reliable.
Post by: ColoSwiss on May 19, 2015, 05:21:22 AM
http://www.amazon.com/U-S-Guns-World-War-II/dp/1577471059/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1432004341&sr=8-1&keywords=us+guns+of+world+war+II
Post by: captain spaulding on May 19, 2015, 06:44:54 AM
Just picked up a very interesting book - 'U.S. Guns of World War II' by Paul Davies. Most of it is derived from a very limited circulation U S Ordnance publication put out right after WWII. Includes a lot of info on the development of the M1 carbine and M3 SMG. Also other stuff I'd never heard of, such as H&R supplied over 20,000 .32 'Bobby' revolvers to the Brits during the war. A bit of boosterism about how the US had the best small arms in WWII (true in some categories; debatable in others), but still a very useful volume.
http://www.amazon.com/U-S-Guns-World-War-II/dp/1577471059/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1432004341&sr=8-1&keywords=us+guns+of+world+war+II
Very reasonably priced as well. :tu:
Post by: shark_za on May 21, 2015, 12:51:55 AM
I have been carrying my P7 for the last week or so, mine is an older PSP with the heel release.
Shoots really well and is more accurate than I am.
only my Model 52 Master is more accurate; mechanically.
Post by: Chako on May 21, 2015, 02:45:51 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on May 21, 2015, 02:48:50 AM
Yeah...most folks around here just call them bullets.
Do they call magazines clips as well. :P
Seriously though. That drives me insane. Clips and magazines are two different things.
Post by: Chako on May 21, 2015, 04:04:48 AM
Sorry Captain to disappoint you there. Surprisingly enough, I just took these photos a few hours ago at the range.
This is my SKS. It has a fixed box magazine. Note the 10 7.62x39mm rounds attached to a stripper clip.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/RIMG0445small_zps4x1ip2kc.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/RIMG0445small_zps4x1ip2kc.jpg.html)
The stripper clip facilitates the insertion of said cartridges into the fixed box magazine.
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Because I live in Canada, I am restricted to 5 rounds max. It is a simple matter of removing the stripper clip with the extra 5 rounds to be used later.
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Here is my SKS. This rifle is very accurate with iron sights.
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Far more accurate than I am at 100 yards. These were all fired standing up.
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Post by: captain spaulding on May 21, 2015, 04:13:03 AM
Sorry Captain to disappoint you there. Surprisingly enough, I just took these photos a few hours ago at the range.
Disappoint me. :think: I'm not following. :think:
Excellent pics and that is good shooting for standing at 100. :tu:
Post by: jerseydevil on May 21, 2015, 04:19:59 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on May 21, 2015, 05:06:10 AM
Post by: Chako on May 21, 2015, 05:39:36 AM
I haven't tried the surplus ammo yet. Still using my supply of Russian non corrosive ammo. Oddly enough, no problems with this Barnaul ammunition for the SKS. Canadian Tire sells the stuff for 10 dollars a box of 20. I have had issues with the 9mm Barnaul with hard primers that don't go bang when struck.
It was the only laminated stock the store had.
Forgot to say, it was a good day at the range. I love when other shooters leave their brass behind for me to pick up. Sort of a bonus. :D
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Post by: Gareth on May 21, 2015, 09:43:25 AM
Chako, bullets are the bits that fly out the front, you mean cartridges or rounds of ammunition.
I have been carrying my P7 for the last week or so, mine is an older PSP with the heel release.
Shoots really well and is more accurate than I am.
only my Model 52 Master is more accurate; mechanically.
:tu:
Post by: ColoSwiss on May 22, 2015, 01:31:38 AM
Chako, bullets are the bits that fly out the front, you mean cartridges or rounds of ammunition.
I have been carrying my P7 for the last week or so, mine is an older PSP with the heel release.
Shoots really well and is more accurate than I am.
only my Model 52 Master is more accurate; mechanically.
Different tastes. That's why there are so many different gun makers. :cheers:
Post by: BASguy on May 22, 2015, 05:40:51 AM
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Post by: Chako on May 29, 2015, 09:56:34 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on May 29, 2015, 10:09:22 PM
This Sunday will be my first IPSC competition. If I do this ok without disqualifying myself...I should be able to earn my black badge. :tu:
Good luck buddy. :tu:
Beyond anything else be safe and have fun!
Post by: SAK Guy on May 29, 2015, 10:58:09 PM
This Sunday will be my first IPSC competition. If I do this ok without disqualifying myself...I should be able to earn my black badge. :tu:
Good luck buddy. :tu:
Beyond anything else be safe and have fun!
+1!!
Post by: Chako on May 30, 2015, 02:10:38 AM
Thinking of buying another firearm. Might buy myself another SKS and this time, deck it out with a tactical stock and accessories as I want to keep my other with the wooden stock. Going to take a trip down to the Sudbury area to see if this will be a reality.
Also thinking of buying another handgun. Either a 1911 .45, or a 357 magnum revolver. :think:
Post by: jerseydevil on May 30, 2015, 03:12:39 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on May 30, 2015, 03:26:11 AM
Forget another SKS, you need an SMLE and a Garand... :pok: >:D
+1
FN 49 would also be a good choice. Also FN did some '98 Mauser carbines in 7mm (M1924) for various Latin American countries. Excellent little rifles.
In .357 S&W is probably the better finished; Ruger is probably the better value. Mine is a S&W 686 with 6" barrel.
Will continue to push the CZ 75. CZ also makes a M 97 in .45. Haven't shot one, but something you might check out.
http://cz-usa.com/product-category/handguns/cz-full-size-45s/
Post by: jerseydevil on May 30, 2015, 03:31:52 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on May 30, 2015, 04:31:25 AM
+1 to a 7x57mm Mauser. Great rifles in M93, M95, or M98 models, and the 7x57 is a handloader's dream cartridge. Lots of components and loads out there, plus tons of stores that sell ammo keep it in stock. Still a popular round 122 years after ir was introduced.
I'd be inclined to go with an M98 rather than the older, weaker actions.
Post by: Chako on May 30, 2015, 11:34:33 AM
As for the pistols. I have been looking at a used Uberti birds head 357 magnum pistol that the local gun shop has.
Not my photo...but :drool:
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Post by: Chako on May 31, 2015, 10:20:19 PM
I had a lot of fun. I somehow missed one target on one of the stages. No clue how I did that but I did..and it was rather easy at that. With that said, I did not get disqualified...and that is the main thing, oh and I had a lot of fun. :2tu:
Post by: kirk13 on May 31, 2015, 10:52:41 PM
Well I am now somewhat in. Finished my first competition (I was told it was a level 2 competition) and all I have to do is mail the completed paperwork and I should get an IPSC black badge pin in the future.
I had a lot of fun. I somehow missed one target on one of the stages. No clue how I did that but I did..and it was rather easy at that. With that said, I did not get disqualified...and that is the main thing, oh and I had a lot of fun. :2tu:
Where you safe? Yes
Did you enjoy yourself? Yes
WIN!
Post by: BASguy on May 31, 2015, 11:22:21 PM
Also thinking of buying another handgun. Either a 1911 .45, or a 357 magnum revolver. :think:
The .357 Magnum Revolver is IMO the perfect handgun. It's the absolute perfect balance for power, control, and versatility.
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Post by: captain spaulding on June 01, 2015, 01:28:22 AM
Also thinking of buying another handgun. Either a 1911 .45, or a 357 magnum revolver. :think:
The .357 Magnum Revolver is IMO the perfect handgun. It's the absolute perfect balance for power, control, and versatility.
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Not to mention you can shoot .38 Special out of it.
Post by: jerseydevil on June 01, 2015, 04:38:46 AM
Also thinking of buying another handgun. Either a 1911 .45, or a 357 magnum revolver. :think:
The .357 Magnum Revolver is IMO the perfect handgun. It's the absolute perfect balance for power, control, and versatility.
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Not to mention you can shoot .38 Special out of it.
+1 to BASguy and the Cap'n. I love my S&W Model 19. Birds head grips look neat, but with a powerful cartridge they aren't all that great with controlling recoil. I fired a Webley Mk IV once. The old Webleys had birds head grips until the Mk VI. That Mk IV wanted to twist out if my hand every time with full-power .455 ammo.
Post by: captain spaulding on June 01, 2015, 06:40:20 AM
Post by: Chako on June 01, 2015, 12:13:59 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on June 01, 2015, 12:29:21 PM
Well I am now somewhat in. Finished my first competition (I was told it was a level 2 competition) and all I have to do is mail the completed paperwork and I should get an IPSC black badge pin in the future.Congrats! Sounds it was fun and you got you badge.
I had a lot of fun. I somehow missed one target on one of the stages. No clue how I did that but I did..and it was rather easy at that. With that said, I did not get disqualified...and that is the main thing, oh and I had a lot of fun. :2tu:
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Post by: Chako on June 02, 2015, 01:58:32 AM
I have noticed that pistol powder is in very short supply as of late. I can't find any anywhere. Sort of negates any advantages I may have gotten when I decided to start rolling my own ammunition. Thankfully, I still have plenty of factory ammunition to go through, and I am not quite finished my first 1 pound of powder. I calculate that I can make around 500 or so rounds left with the power I have remaining. I know that when I can find and buy some, I may want to buy more that the single container of the stuff. Insane.
Likewise, plenty of .22LR ammo at the local Canadian Tire, but I have noticed nobody else in town is able to get any. Even saw an online news story stating that .22LR was going to be scarce in Canada sooner than later. I am thinking I should buy a few more Remington Golden Bullet 525 packs while they still are in stock. Insane.
My local gun shop is having a hard time getting things in. I cannot understand why some High Point Magazines I have ordered since February are still not in. Likewise, I was assured that the few accessories I ordered for my Dillon Precision Square Deal B press wouldn't take any time. Well that was a month ago. Never mind the red dot sight that got busted on my shotgun that hasn't been replaced in well over a month as well. The first one I sent off got replaced in less than a week. Not sure if this is Remington's fault or the local gun shops fault...but it doesn't place Remington in a good light. Either way, the gun industry needs to learn a few things from automotive parts manufacturers...or come to think of it, anyone else that does business in moving merchandise. All terribly insane.
Post by: captain spaulding on June 02, 2015, 05:55:45 PM
Something he was quoted saying.
Schools without guns are targets for mass shooters, he said.
"In all of our schools it is illegal to have guns on campus, so again and again these guys go and shoot up these f***ing schools because they know there are no guns there," he said. "They are monsters killing six-year-olds.
"You think the politicians that run my country and your country don't have guns in the schools their kids go to?" he asked. "They do. And we should be allowed the same rights."
If you don't agree with this you need to check yourself. A lot of people opposing him are mothers of children who have been killed in school shooting. Now you would think they would want teachers or staff to be able to protect their children from psychopaths shooting up schools but no, they are detached from rational thinking.
Post by: Chako on June 04, 2015, 02:19:31 AM
I just love my Cimmeron Plinkerton 22LR. Something simple about single action revolvers that I like.
EDIT: Just got my results from Sunday's match.
% Points
57.95 216.9063
I ranked 21st out of 30 competitors...not bad for my first match where I went very slow trying to make it through without DQing. :tu:
Post by: SAK Guy on June 04, 2015, 02:37:47 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on June 04, 2015, 02:53:29 AM
Just saw on the news that Vince Vaughn is catching heat for supporting firearms. It really pisses me off that when celebrities oppose firearms they are praised, but when a celebrity supports our 2nd amendment they call it a controversy and he gets pummeled with people hating him. :facepalm:
Something he was quoted saying.
Schools without guns are targets for mass shooters, he said.
"In all of our schools it is illegal to have guns on campus, so again and again these guys go and shoot up these f***ing schools because they know there are no guns there," he said. "They are monsters killing six-year-olds.
"You think the politicians that run my country and your country don't have guns in the schools their kids go to?" he asked. "They do. And we should be allowed the same rights."
If you don't agree with this you need to check yourself. A lot of people opposing him are mothers of children who have been killed in school shooting. Now you would think they would want teachers or staff to be able to protect their children from psychopaths shooting up schools but no, they are detached from rational thinking.
It makes no sense.... :(
Post by: captain spaulding on June 04, 2015, 04:48:50 AM
Just saw on the news that Vince Vaughn is catching heat for supporting firearms. It really pisses me off that when celebrities oppose firearms they are praised, but when a celebrity supports our 2nd amendment they call it a controversy and he gets pummeled with people hating him. :facepalm:
Something he was quoted saying.
Schools without guns are targets for mass shooters, he said.
"In all of our schools it is illegal to have guns on campus, so again and again these guys go and shoot up these f***ing schools because they know there are no guns there," he said. "They are monsters killing six-year-olds.
"You think the politicians that run my country and your country don't have guns in the schools their kids go to?" he asked. "They do. And we should be allowed the same rights."
If you don't agree with this you need to check yourself. A lot of people opposing him are mothers of children who have been killed in school shooting. Now you would think they would want teachers or staff to be able to protect their children from psychopaths shooting up schools but no, they are detached from rational thinking.
It makes no sense.... :(
It makes perfect sense to me. Not sure what others are thinking though. I know what you meant though.
Post by: Chako on June 04, 2015, 06:07:18 AM
From left to right: 9 mm. 40 Caliber, 45 ACP, 45 Colt.
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Post by: Gareth on June 04, 2015, 09:42:45 AM
Just saw on the news that Vince Vaughn is catching heat for supporting firearms. It really pisses me off that when celebrities oppose firearms they are praised, but when a celebrity supports our 2nd amendment they call it a controversy and he gets pummeled with people hating him. :facepalm:
Something he was quoted saying.
Schools without guns are targets for mass shooters, he said.
"In all of our schools it is illegal to have guns on campus, so again and again these guys go and shoot up these f***ing schools because they know there are no guns there," he said. "They are monsters killing six-year-olds.
"You think the politicians that run my country and your country don't have guns in the schools their kids go to?" he asked. "They do. And we should be allowed the same rights."
If you don't agree with this you need to check yourself. A lot of people opposing him are mothers of children who have been killed in school shooting. Now you would think they would want teachers or staff to be able to protect their children from psychopaths shooting up schools but no, they are detached from rational thinking.
It makes no sense.... :(
It makes perfect sense to me. Not sure what others are thinking though. I know what you meant though.
Gents, I'm going to say that this conversation is skirting right on the edge of being political IMO. Lets tread carefully OK? :police:
Post by: ducttapetech on June 04, 2015, 12:33:04 PM
Well I found myself something rather nice. I was looking for a 357 magnum, and looked over the various handguns. I did like that birds head revolver, but after re-examining that, did note that you guys were correct. It just didn't fit my large mitts. So I ended up with a 45 Colt Uberti 1873 Cattleman. I do not have it in my possession as of yet (waiting for the ATT).Nice piece and good job on the score! Pretty good for you first time and going slow.
I just love my Cimmeron Plinkerton 22LR. Something simple about single action revolvers that I like.
EDIT: Just got my results from Sunday's match.
% Points
57.95 216.9063
I ranked 21st out of 30 competitors...not bad for my first match where I went very slow trying to make it through without DQing. :tu:
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Post by: buck on June 04, 2015, 02:54:41 PM
What's the definition of a criminal? Someone who doesn't obey the law.
If assberger boy had gone down to the soccer field and mowed down a hundred kids with a pickup like so many stalks of wheat would there be any discussion about outlawing pickup trucks?
The point is it's not about the hardware, and if you don't think they won't be coming for your cutlery next there's a few Danes who might beg to differ.
Post by: captain spaulding on June 04, 2015, 04:18:42 PM
Just saw on the news that Vince Vaughn is catching heat for supporting firearms. It really pisses me off that when celebrities oppose firearms they are praised, but when a celebrity supports our 2nd amendment they call it a controversy and he gets pummeled with people hating him. :facepalm:
Something he was quoted saying.
Schools without guns are targets for mass shooters, he said.
"In all of our schools it is illegal to have guns on campus, so again and again these guys go and shoot up these f***ing schools because they know there are no guns there," he said. "They are monsters killing six-year-olds.
"You think the politicians that run my country and your country don't have guns in the schools their kids go to?" he asked. "They do. And we should be allowed the same rights."
If you don't agree with this you need to check yourself. A lot of people opposing him are mothers of children who have been killed in school shooting. Now you would think they would want teachers or staff to be able to protect their children from psychopaths shooting up schools but no, they are detached from rational thinking.
It makes no sense.... :(
It makes perfect sense to me. Not sure what others are thinking though. I know what you meant though.
Gents, I'm going to say that this conversation is skirting right on the edge of being political IMO. Lets tread carefully OK? :police:
Sorry about that. I will leave it alone. :salute:
Post by: buck on June 04, 2015, 04:27:28 PM
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Post by: Gareth on June 04, 2015, 05:13:49 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on June 05, 2015, 06:14:14 PM
Just saw on the news that Vince Vaughn is catching heat for supporting firearms. It really pisses me off that when celebrities oppose firearms they are praised, but when a celebrity supports our 2nd amendment they call it a controversy and he gets pummeled with people hating him. :facepalm:
Something he was quoted saying.
Schools without guns are targets for mass shooters, he said.
"In all of our schools it is illegal to have guns on campus, so again and again these guys go and shoot up these f***ing schools because they know there are no guns there," he said. "They are monsters killing six-year-olds.
"You think the politicians that run my country and your country don't have guns in the schools their kids go to?" he asked. "They do. And we should be allowed the same rights."
If you don't agree with this you need to check yourself. A lot of people opposing him are mothers of children who have been killed in school shooting. Now you would think they would want teachers or staff to be able to protect their children from psychopaths shooting up schools but no, they are detached from rational thinking.
It makes no sense.... :(
It makes perfect sense to me. Not sure what others are thinking though. I know what you meant though.
Gents, I'm going to say that this conversation is skirting right on the edge of being political IMO. Lets tread carefully OK? :police:
I am sorry Gareth.
Post by: BASguy on June 06, 2015, 01:36:27 AM
Just saw on the news that Vince Vaughn is catching heat for supporting firearms. It really pisses me off that when celebrities oppose firearms they are praised, but when a celebrity supports our 2nd amendment they call it a controversy and he gets pummeled with people hating him. :facepalm:
Something he was quoted saying.
Schools without guns are targets for mass shooters, he said.
"In all of our schools it is illegal to have guns on campus, so again and again these guys go and shoot up these f***ing schools because they know there are no guns there," he said. "They are monsters killing six-year-olds.
"You think the politicians that run my country and your country don't have guns in the schools their kids go to?" he asked. "They do. And we should be allowed the same rights."
If you don't agree with this you need to check yourself. A lot of people opposing him are mothers of children who have been killed in school shooting. Now you would think they would want teachers or staff to be able to protect their children from psychopaths shooting up schools but no, they are detached from rational thinking.
It makes no sense.... :(
It makes perfect sense to me. Not sure what others are thinking though. I know what you meant though.
Gents, I'm going to say that this conversation is skirting right on the edge of being political IMO. Lets tread carefully OK? :police:
Sorry about that. I will leave it alone. :salute:
I fail to see where "common sense" can ever be confused with "political" :think:
Well played Captain
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 06, 2015, 03:42:50 AM
Post by: ducttapetech on June 06, 2015, 04:00:09 AM
Thanks gents.
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Post by: captain spaulding on June 06, 2015, 05:16:30 AM
Post by: BASguy on June 06, 2015, 05:48:30 AM
I agree with you BAS, but let just all leave it alone. I don't want to give the mods any problems and would hate to get this thread closed as Ducttapetech mentioned. I know we both have the same strong opinions on this subject, but its not the time or place. I should of never brought it up in the first place and take the blame. Thank you everyone.
No worries, guns are more fun to talk about than politics
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Post by: ColoSwiss on June 06, 2015, 06:06:56 AM
I agree with you BAS, but let just all leave it alone. I don't want to give the mods any problems and would hate to get this thread closed as Ducttapetech mentioned. I know we both have the same strong opinions on this subject, but its not the time or place. I should of never brought it up in the first place and take the blame. Thank you everyone.
No worries, guns are more fun to talk about than politics
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Just about anything is more fun to talk about than politics.
Post by: captain spaulding on June 06, 2015, 06:11:59 AM
I agree with you BAS, but let just all leave it alone. I don't want to give the mods any problems and would hate to get this thread closed as Ducttapetech mentioned. I know we both have the same strong opinions on this subject, but its not the time or place. I should of never brought it up in the first place and take the blame. Thank you everyone.
No worries, guns are more fun to talk about than politics
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Just about anything is more fun to talk about than politics.
Haha. Very true on both accounts. :tu:
Post by: kirk13 on June 06, 2015, 09:42:27 AM
Post by: ducttapetech on June 06, 2015, 04:23:15 PM
Nate
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Post by: Chako on June 07, 2015, 01:25:22 PM
I also bought a few more items to dress my second SKS. I have a tactical stock and bi-pod...but also found a shell deflector, a scope, scope mount, scope rings, and a green laser kit. Not sure when this will all get done, but I shall post photos when it is time. :salute:
Still waiting for my ATT to get my 45 Colt.
Post by: Chako on June 07, 2015, 06:34:46 PM
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This is what 7150 rounds of .22LR ammo looks like. :facepalm:
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I buy a box here and there whenever I can. I keep hearing that .22LR ammo is getting in short supply but the local Canadian Tire has plenty. I guess I may be lucky.
Post by: buck on June 07, 2015, 06:49:51 PM
Like I said I'm in trouble. I can resist anything except temptation.
Post by: captain spaulding on June 07, 2015, 06:54:00 PM
I'm in trouble. I handled a FN SCAR at the range today. Guy consigning it is moving to California where they are illegal, he hasn't even fired it. I walked around holding it for 20 minutes, couldn't put it down.
Like I said I'm in trouble. I can resist anything except temptation.
Very cool firearm. :tu:
The FN SCAR isn't really illegal in California. In its current configuration it is, but by putting on a few parts its 100% legal in California.
Post by: Chako on June 09, 2015, 11:59:39 PM
Here is my newest addition, an Uberti single action 45 Colt.
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Post by: ColoSwiss on June 10, 2015, 12:48:07 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on June 10, 2015, 01:28:24 AM
The FN SCAR is a very nice firearm.
Here is my newest addition, an Uberti single action 45 Colt.
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:drool: :drool:
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Post by: ducttapetech on June 10, 2015, 01:51:09 AM
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Post by: SAK Guy on June 10, 2015, 01:51:55 AM
The FN SCAR is a very nice firearm.
Here is my newest addition, an Uberti single action 45 Colt.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/Chako_photo002003/IMG_8039small_zps1orsgjlc.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/Chako_photo002003/IMG_8039small_zps1orsgjlc.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_8035small_zpsugg5p5qk.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_8035small_zpsugg5p5qk.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_8038small_zpsv0dic5la.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_8038small_zpsv0dic5la.jpg.html)
That's great!!! Let us know how you like it...thinking about getting one in 45ACP.
Post by: SAK Guy on June 10, 2015, 01:56:29 AM
I'm in trouble. I handled a FN SCAR at the range today. Guy consigning it is moving to California where they are illegal, he hasn't even fired it. I walked around holding it for 20 minutes, couldn't put it down.
Like I said I'm in trouble. I can resist anything except temptation.
Buy it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: jerseydevil on June 10, 2015, 02:46:20 AM
The FN SCAR is a very nice firearm.
Here is my newest addition, an Uberti single action 45 Colt.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/Chako_photo002003/IMG_8039small_zps1orsgjlc.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/Chako_photo002003/IMG_8039small_zps1orsgjlc.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_8035small_zpsugg5p5qk.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_8035small_zpsugg5p5qk.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_8038small_zpsv0dic5la.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_8038small_zpsv0dic5la.jpg.html)
That's great!!! Let us know how you like it...thinking about getting one in 45ACP.
Beautiful revolver Chako. :tu: It's left handed. :D SAkguy, any reason .45 ACP? I'd love one in .44-40, the other classic caliber in a wheelgun like that.
Post by: ducttapetech on June 10, 2015, 02:52:04 AM
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Post by: SAK Guy on June 10, 2015, 02:55:23 AM
The FN SCAR is a very nice firearm.
Here is my newest addition, an Uberti single action 45 Colt.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/Chako_photo002003/IMG_8039small_zps1orsgjlc.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/Chako_photo002003/IMG_8039small_zps1orsgjlc.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_8035small_zpsugg5p5qk.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_8035small_zpsugg5p5qk.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_8038small_zpsv0dic5la.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_8038small_zpsv0dic5la.jpg.html)
That's great!!! Let us know how you like it...thinking about getting one in 45ACP.
Beautiful revolver Chako. :tu: It's left handed. :D SAkguy, any reason .45 ACP? I'd love one in .44-40, the other classic caliber in a wheelgun like that.
I have a couple of 1911's, lots of ammo and a 45ACP single action can be "speed" reloaded from a 1911 clip! :D ( I know this because I used to have a Ruger in ACP and STUPIDLY sold it) :facepalm:
ACP and ACP, the perfect set up for WILD BUNCH stages! 8)
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/mx15l4L4Zlk/maxresdefault.jpg)
Post by: jerseydevil on June 10, 2015, 03:10:32 AM
Left handed? Most revolvers are like that. Awwww I see what you did there...
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Revolvers modeled after the SAA are. Swing-out lefty cylinders are rare. The French actually issued one though. On the Mle. 1892 "Lebel", the cylinder swings out to the right.....
Post by: Chako on June 10, 2015, 04:08:33 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on June 10, 2015, 08:10:33 AM
http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/ol%27-injun-tricks/using-1911-magazines-to-reload-a-single-action-revolver/
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=457485
Post by: David on June 10, 2015, 10:14:19 AM
Post by: ducttapetech on June 10, 2015, 11:23:35 AM
True, I was thinking more about the single shots. All of mine load and empty on the right side. My single shots anyways.Left handed? Most revolvers are like that. Awwww I see what you did there...
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Revolvers modeled after the SAA are. Swing-out lefty cylinders are rare. The French actually issued one though. On the Mle. 1892 "Lebel", the cylinder swings out to the right.....
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 10, 2015, 12:47:52 PM
True, I was thinking more about the single shots. All of mine load and empty on the right side. My single shots anyways.Left handed? Most revolvers are like that. Awwww I see what you did there...
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Revolvers modeled after the SAA are. Swing-out lefty cylinders are rare. The French actually issued one though. On the Mle. 1892 "Lebel", the cylinder swings out to the right.....
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Single shots that load from the side? :pok:
Post by: Chako on June 11, 2015, 01:28:53 AM
Post by: ducttapetech on June 11, 2015, 01:37:08 AM
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Post by: jerseydevil on June 11, 2015, 01:47:28 AM
Post by: derekmac on June 11, 2015, 01:49:13 AM
Post by: ducttapetech on June 11, 2015, 01:51:39 AM
Since I know nothing about guns, why wouldn't you want to load a 6 chamber gun with 6 rounds?Supposedly, the hammer can put enough pressure on the primmer to set it off.
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Post by: jerseydevil on June 11, 2015, 01:54:33 AM
Post by: derekmac on June 11, 2015, 01:57:42 AM
Post by: Chako on June 11, 2015, 02:39:31 AM
Post by: Chako on June 11, 2015, 02:51:55 AM
I currently have:
1 Ruger 10/22 in .22LR
1 Browning Buckmark in .22LR
1 Cimmeron SAA Plinkerton in .22LR
1 Smith & Wesson M&P in 9 mm
1 High Point Carbine in 9 mm
1 Remington 870 Turkey in 12 gauge
1 Savage Axis II in 30.06
1 Uberti SAA in 45 Colt
2 Russian SKS in 7.62x39
Good grief, up to 10 at the moment (3 rifles, 2 carbines, 4 handguns, 1 shotgun)...and you know what, I have a hunkering to try my hand at black powder pistols next. :ahhh :rofl:
Post by: jerseydevil on June 11, 2015, 03:06:30 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on June 11, 2015, 03:09:23 AM
You know, this firearm thing is like collecting. :facepalm:
I currently have:
1 Ruger 10/22 in .22LR
1 Browning Buckmark in .22LR
1 Cimmeron SAA Plinkerton in .22LR
1 Smith & Wesson M&P in 9 mm
1 High Point Carbine in 9 mm
1 Remington 870 Turkey in 12 gauge
1 Savage Axis II in 30.06
1 Uberti SAA in 45 Colt
2 Russian SKS in 7.62x39
Good grief, up to 10 at the moment (3 rifles, 2 carbines, 4 handguns, 1 shotgun)...and you know what, I have a hunkering to try my hand at black powder pistols next. :ahhh :rofl:
I'm just going to quote myself from very early in this thread. :D
Got the PAL course lined up for later this month. Can't wait to take it. Going to be 3 nights of 6 to 10 pm. Afterwards, I would like to take my prohibited course as well.
Good job. You should be proud. :tu:
If you thought multitools were addicting wait until you get into firearms. :ahhh
Post by: ducttapetech on June 11, 2015, 03:10:38 AM
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 11, 2015, 03:41:03 AM
You know, this firearm thing is like collecting. :facepalm:
I currently have:
1 Ruger 10/22 in .22LR
1 Browning Buckmark in .22LR
1 Cimmeron SAA Plinkerton in .22LR
1 Smith & Wesson M&P in 9 mm
1 High Point Carbine in 9 mm
1 Remington 870 Turkey in 12 gauge
1 Savage Axis II in 30.06
1 Uberti SAA in 45 Colt
2 Russian SKS in 7.62x39
Good grief, up to 10 at the moment (3 rifles, 2 carbines, 4 handguns, 1 shotgun)...and you know what, I have a hunkering to try my hand at black powder pistols next. :ahhh :rofl:
I have been shooting and collecting for about 30years and you already have more firearms the I do Chako.
Seems about right lol.
Post by: Chako on June 12, 2015, 12:05:03 PM
:D
Post by: kosmo on June 12, 2015, 01:27:25 PM
I think I will end up with another SKS. In Canada, they are one of the best values in firearms one can get. I know I have quite a lot of fun with mine. I can easily see another all decked out with a tactical stock etc in my um...er...every growing collection of firearms.
As for the pistols. I have been looking at a used Uberti birds head 357 magnum pistol that the local gun shop has.
Not my photo...but :drool:
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/maxresdefault_zpsod8ngotz.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/maxresdefault_zpsod8ngotz.jpg.html)
I would like a Ruger Vaquero in a birds head .357 Magnum. They are rare to find. I've seen a couple come up on Gunbroker.
Post by: kosmo on June 12, 2015, 01:39:12 PM
Because on an old single action where you cock the hammer for each shot, the firing pin was attached directly to the hammer. A blow to an uncocked hammer over a loaded chamber could cause an accidential discharge. What you would do is load one chamber, skip one, load four, bring the hammer all the way back and then lower it. The hammer would be resting on an empty chamber then. Cocking the revolver would rotate the cylinder and bring a loaded chamber ready to fire.
Hickok45 has demonstrated the 5 shot loading in some of his videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp52zvKdxLg
Post by: SAK Guy on June 12, 2015, 03:46:48 PM
Post by: jerseydevil on June 12, 2015, 04:26:19 PM
The 5-shot loading bit also applies to early DA revolvers. If anyone has a .41 LC chambered Colt Thunderer DA, it's dangerous! Send it to me for proper disposal. ;)
Post by: zoidberg on June 13, 2015, 05:13:58 AM
Post by: Chako on June 13, 2015, 11:52:57 AM
:D
Post by: Smashie on June 13, 2015, 12:26:03 PM
Post by: buck on June 13, 2015, 12:46:51 PM
I checked out another SCAR in the desert brown color. I prefer the black as the browns do not all match between the various plastics and metals. Both were the light SCAR in .223, I'd like to also check out the heavy SCAR in .308.
Post by: kosmo on June 13, 2015, 02:14:30 PM
Chako, I thought pistols were verboten in Canada unless you are a trapper. Evidently it's not that cut and dried.
I checked out another SCAR in the desert brown color. I prefer the black as the browns do not all match between the various plastics and metals. Both were the light SCAR in .223, I'd like to also check out the heavy SCAR in .308.
I thought the same thing. I've been listening to this podcast from Canada. Lots of restrictions, but some handguns are permitted.
http://www.slamfireradio.com
Post by: Chako on June 13, 2015, 02:23:17 PM
Thus, the vast majority of handgun owners can only use them at a range. The only folks who are exempt from that are trappers, and those who need it for wilderness protection.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/wild-sauvage-eng.htm
Thus you are partially right in what you stated.
Post by: SAK Guy on June 13, 2015, 03:01:56 PM
Mostly correct. In Canada, you need a restricted licence to use and own handguns. With that, I can only use them at a range I belong to. This is because you need an Authorization To Transport (ATT). Once you join a gun club, the club will get your ATT that will allow you to transport your restricted firearms to the range and back to your home. Furthermore, it has to be a direct route to and fro. You think that is bad, plenty of handgun owners like to do competitions for sport. If a neighboring club is holding a competition, you have to ask the club for an invitation in writing. This will substitute for an ATT, as it is impossible to get one of those in time for most shoots. There is a slimmer of light however, as bill C-42 which mat come into affect soon by the current Harper Conservative Government will eliminate the ATT altogether as it only punishes law abiding gun owners.
Thus, the vast majority of handgun owners can only use them at a range. The only folks who are exempt from that are trappers, and those who need it for wilderness protection.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/wild-sauvage-eng.htm
Thus you are partially right in what you stated.
Sadly, one of the greatest rifles from your past is on the prohibited list....the C1A1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L1A1_Self-Loading_Rifle
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on June 13, 2015, 03:03:18 PM
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Post by: Smashie on June 13, 2015, 03:13:35 PM
I had a go of the British L1A1 and it really was an outstanding rifle :)
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The L1A1 was an awesome rifle, all be it heavy and with a very heavy recoil, sadly I was issued with the L85. not so great although the newer A2 variant is very good.
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on June 13, 2015, 03:16:06 PM
Yeah the new HK version is a genuinely great rifle by all accounts :)I had a go of the British L1A1 and it really was an outstanding rifle :)
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The L1A1 was an awesome rifle, all be it heavy and with a very heavy recoil, sadly I was issued with the L85. not so great although the newer A2 variant is very good.
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Post by: SAK Guy on June 13, 2015, 03:28:32 PM
Yeah the new HK version is a genuinely great rifle by all accounts :)I had a go of the British L1A1 and it really was an outstanding rifle :)
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The L1A1 was an awesome rifle, all be it heavy and with a very heavy recoil, sadly I was issued with the L85. not so great although the newer A2 variant is very good.
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How was shooting that bullpup design? I always thought it was a cool concept!!!
Post by: Smashie on June 13, 2015, 03:40:59 PM
Yeah the new HK version is a genuinely great rifle by all accounts :)I had a go of the British L1A1 and it really was an outstanding rifle :)
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The L1A1 was an awesome rifle, all be it heavy and with a very heavy recoil, sadly I was issued with the L85. not so great although the newer A2 variant is very good.
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How was shooting that bullpup design? I always thought it was a cool concept!!!
It's a very maneuverable rifle, but the trigger pull is heavier. It also brings the weight closer to the shoulder which lessens fatigue and again aids maneuverability.
If you can get a Tavor
Post by: buck on June 13, 2015, 03:42:15 PM
Post by: Smashie on June 13, 2015, 03:44:37 PM
The main advantage of a bullpup is short overall length which is significant fighting room to room. My Steyr AUG really rattles my teeth firing full rock and roll with a cheek weld. I am cognizant of my crowns and fillings having different mass than my original teeth.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Burst only :salute:
Post by: buck on June 13, 2015, 03:56:53 PM
I had a go of the British L1A1 and it really was an outstanding rifle :)
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I have a SAR-48 with Israeli Heavy barrel and bipod which is very similar to the L1A1. At one time Springfield Armory made some licensed FAL patterns for testing but the US army chose the favorite son M14 which was similar to the familiar and esteemed Garand in many respects. Both were really overmatched for .308 recoil and control. I can't keep more than 2 rounds on target full auto.
Mine looks similar to this:
(http://guns.solin.net/sale/SAR48/pics/SAR48-2.jpg)
I have a 50 round X drum making it pretty much a poor man's belt feeder.
Post by: buck on June 13, 2015, 03:59:25 PM
The main advantage of a bullpup is short overall length which is significant fighting room to room. My Steyr AUG really rattles my teeth firing full rock and roll with a cheek weld. I am cognizant of my crowns and fillings having different mass than my original teeth.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Burst only :salute:
Yep. Hard to keep more than 3 rounds on target anyway. Full auto is overrated if you ask me.
Post by: SAK Guy on June 13, 2015, 03:59:57 PM
Yeah the new HK version is a genuinely great rifle by all accounts :)I had a go of the British L1A1 and it really was an outstanding rifle :)
Sent from my K013 using Tapatalk
The L1A1 was an awesome rifle, all be it heavy and with a very heavy recoil, sadly I was issued with the L85. not so great although the newer A2 variant is very good.
Sent from my K013 using Tapatalk
How was shooting that bullpup design? I always thought it was a cool concept!!!
It's a very maneuverable rifle, but the trigger pull is heavier. It also brings the weight closer to the shoulder which lessens fatigue and again aids maneuverability.
If you can get a Tavor
That Tavor looks pretty cool!! :salute:
Post by: BASguy on June 13, 2015, 06:01:56 PM
Mostly correct. In Canada, you need a restricted licence to use and own handguns. With that, I can only use them at a range I belong to. This is because you need an Authorization To Transport (ATT). Once you join a gun club, the club will get your ATT that will allow you to transport your restricted firearms to the range and back to your home. Furthermore, it has to be a direct route to and fro. You think that is bad, plenty of handgun owners like to do competitions for sport. If a neighboring club is holding a competition, you have to ask the club for an invitation in writing. This will substitute for an ATT, as it is impossible to get one of those in time for most shoots. There is a slimmer of light however, as bill C-42 which may come into affect sometime in the future by the current Harper Conservative Government will eliminate the ATT altogether as it only punishes law abiding gun owners.Come on down to Arizona. You can leave all that nonsense behind
Thus, the vast majority of handgun owners can only use them at a range. The only folks who are exempt from that are trappers, and those who need it for wilderness protection.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/wild-sauvage-eng.htm (http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/wild-sauvage-eng.htm)
Thus you are partially right in what you stated.
Sent from 9 miles from the face of the sun
Post by: buck on June 13, 2015, 07:39:21 PM
must..push...out...of...mind...
Post by: ColoSwiss on June 14, 2015, 12:23:38 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on June 14, 2015, 01:02:36 AM
Post by: buck on June 14, 2015, 01:52:13 AM
Post by: jerseydevil on June 14, 2015, 01:13:09 PM
I probably won't get one, my rifles are mostly long and heavy...like my evening meal. ;)
+1 There's something about walnut and blued steel......
Post by: kirk13 on June 14, 2015, 01:16:45 PM
I probably won't get one, my rifles are mostly long and heavy...like my evening meal. ;)
+1 There's something about walnut and blued steel......
For dinner?!
Post by: Chako on June 14, 2015, 01:17:18 PM
Post by: jerseydevil on June 14, 2015, 01:27:14 PM
I probably won't get one, my rifles are mostly long and heavy...like my evening meal. ;)
+1 There's something about walnut and blued steel......
For dinner?!
Sure! Plenty of fiber, good iron content.....
Post by: buck on June 14, 2015, 01:43:21 PM
They can be had from gunbroker between 500 - 1000 USD. Find one that isn't too beat up with nice wood, metal and bore (lots of 8mm ammo is corrosive).
http://www.gunbroker.com/Semi-Auto-Rifles/BI.aspx?Keywords=hakim
You can get a surplus MG13 25 round magazine to work in this rifle. This jb573 gent modifies them and sells them on gunbroker. I have 2 and they work great. He also sells other tools for Egyptian rifles.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=488148583
Post by: buck on June 14, 2015, 01:52:18 PM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=488939028
(http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/488939000/488939028/pix187616855.jpg)
(http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/488939000/488939028/pix100703235.jpg)
Post by: jerseydevil on June 14, 2015, 02:47:22 PM
Post by: kirk13 on June 14, 2015, 03:03:57 PM
This one looks pretty good.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=488939028
(http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/488939000/488939028/pix187616855.jpg)
(http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/488939000/488939028/pix100703235.jpg)
Put you in mind of a G43 :think:
Post by: kosmo on June 14, 2015, 04:02:12 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_SL7
(http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/573/10516579/img_4600.jpg_thumbnail0.jpg)
Post by: SAK Guy on June 14, 2015, 05:37:38 PM
I've only ever seen one of these. An elderly man was wondering a gun show offering his for sale. If I had the money at the time I would have bought it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_SL7
(http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/573/10516579/img_4600.jpg_thumbnail0.jpg)
Only seen one in one of the last PS2 installments of Call of Duty....it was a battlefield pick up option.... :D
Post by: SAK Guy on June 14, 2015, 08:22:41 PM
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/Winchesters%20SAK%20EDC_zpsagumuuyt.jpg)
Post by: kirk13 on June 14, 2015, 08:35:07 PM
Had the 22 Mag out...took a pic with my Sunday EDC!
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/Winchesters%20SAK%20EDC_zpsagumuuyt.jpg)
Great pic Robert :salute:
Post by: SAK Guy on June 14, 2015, 08:46:31 PM
Didn't feel quite so lousy today so tried to put a little effort into my pic...needed to check my rifles anyway. It's been pretty humid. My Dad gave me that Winchester, we've had it in the family since the 70's.
Post by: zoidberg on June 15, 2015, 01:14:44 AM
Had the 22 Mag out...took a pic with my Sunday EDC!
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/Winchesters%20SAK%20EDC_zpsagumuuyt.jpg)
Loving that pic. :tu:
Post by: jerseydevil on June 15, 2015, 01:59:14 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on June 15, 2015, 02:03:54 AM
Post by: WhichDawg on June 15, 2015, 05:47:03 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/vIcZaQg.png)
Smith and Wesson Shield 9mm with crimson trace green laser.
Post by: captain spaulding on June 15, 2015, 06:33:57 AM
good thread! I'm trying to catch up (about halfway now) but I wanted some thoughts/opinions/remarks. I just got my conceal permit and am seriously thinking of getting this:
(http://i.imgur.com/vIcZaQg.png)
Smith and Wesson Shield 9mm with crimson trace green laser.
No personal experience with the Shield, but it is a VERY popular concealed carry gun.
Post by: David on June 15, 2015, 07:04:03 AM
Had the 22 Mag out...took a pic with my Sunday EDC!
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/Winchesters%20SAK%20EDC_zpsagumuuyt.jpg)
8) rifle a knives great pic! :tu: :)
Post by: buck on June 15, 2015, 08:32:49 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=unOXaB3QoYk
Post by: SAK Guy on June 15, 2015, 03:15:01 PM
Had the 22 Mag out...took a pic with my Sunday EDC!
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/Winchesters%20SAK%20EDC_zpsagumuuyt.jpg)
8) rifle a knives great pic! :tu: :)
Thanks David!!!
Post by: ducttapetech on June 15, 2015, 03:24:31 PM
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Post by: SAK Guy on June 15, 2015, 03:52:09 PM
Post by: WhichDawg on June 17, 2015, 12:59:02 PM
Question:
-do you; use traditional gun oil/lube (wet) or dry-lube?
-do you prefer; manual safety or no safety?
I grew up with a safety and I doubt the second to unsafe it will matter for me (with good-sound practice/training). I'm not saying those who prefer no-manual-safety are in-error/nuts! nay nay to each their own, just curious what you all like ;)
Post by: ducttapetech on June 17, 2015, 01:11:16 PM
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Post by: buck on June 17, 2015, 01:49:22 PM
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=463655
Also Hoppe's #9 removes/destroys nickel.
Post by: SAK Guy on June 18, 2015, 12:46:29 AM
I tend to like a safety on my pieces. Although my S&W Sigma does not have one, but I am fine it and works well for that pistol. Also I just use gun oil.
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I like a safety and a hammer (an immediate visual on condition).
Oil, usually whatever I have on hand. Rem Oil, CLP, Synthetic motor oil etc.....
Post by: Chako on June 18, 2015, 02:37:45 AM
1. ATI SKS Strikeforce stock.
2. NCstar SKS Bayonet lug mount bipod.
3. NCstar bolt on long muzzle brake.
4. NCstar boar blaster combo kit.
5. NCstar shell deflector.
Here it is with my first SKS that I will be keeping original.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_8242small_zpsondsxaew.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_8242small_zpsondsxaew.jpg.html)
Post by: Mike 56 on June 18, 2015, 03:14:26 AM
Post by: Chako on June 18, 2015, 03:24:06 AM
Post by: Mike 56 on June 18, 2015, 03:37:25 AM
Post by: Chako on June 18, 2015, 03:46:33 AM
Post by: pfrsantos on June 18, 2015, 04:59:31 PM
Thanks for the warning. I will keep a very close eye on it.
You crazy?! Don't, avert your eyes! It's dangerous!
:ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
(http://hijinksensue.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/2013-05-17-avert-your-eyes.jpg)
Post by: buck on June 18, 2015, 06:31:11 PM
They are made of cheap steel when you are shooting it will bend until it is bent enough for a bullet shoots to it off. This happened to my buddy's SKS and my Moslin Nagant M44 we were shooting surplus ammo in both rifles.
I had a fake can on a Krinkov that happened to. After that I SBR Form 1'd it. It's now my Katrina gun. If I have to evacuate it fits in a backpack folded ready to go with a 20 round magazine. And its legal. And its not visible in case there are police infringing on the 2nd amendment as happened in Louisiana only to leave people unarmed and at the mercy of looters.
Post by: Mike 56 on June 18, 2015, 06:47:08 PM
Post by: Chako on June 18, 2015, 07:07:11 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on June 19, 2015, 12:03:57 AM
Sweet pic. :tu: 94/22's are cool. So are Marlin 39's.
The modern squared-off levers on new Marlin 39s are not cool. The one I had sliced my little finger open every time I used it. Got rid of the gun in a hurry.
Post by: captain spaulding on June 19, 2015, 12:55:57 AM
Chako, It's been a long time since we were playing with NcStar add-ons on our milsurp rifles. I was talking to my long time shooting buddy last night. NcStar at one time made two types of muzzle breaks. One type twisted on it would shoot sideways until a bullet would shoot it off NOT GOOD and it sounds like a barrel blowing up. Makes you want to check your pants. The second type clamps on with two screws the problem with type is the screws the steel is softer than common rubber after a few shots one of the screws will break then a bullet will shoot it off. We always thought if the screws were replaced this type muzzle break might be workable. The best way to put a muzzle break on an SKS is to buy an AK47 barrel die to thread the barrel. There are lots of different style AK47 muzzle breaks you can buy.
Threading a barrel is very illegal in certain places so it might not be a option.
Post by: Mike 56 on June 19, 2015, 03:05:43 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on June 19, 2015, 05:10:12 AM
In Ca threaded barrels are only ilegal on hand guns. Muzzle breaks are another story. There is a fine line between a muzzle break and a flash hider according to the DOJ. But they have comed down after they kept losing in cort. You can have a flash hider on a center fire rifle like a SKS with a fixed magazine or AR, AK47 with a bullet button not ok on let's say a Mini 14. Rim fire flash hiders are fine.
I know all this as I live in California. ;)
He is in Canada and they have some weird gun laws (in my opinion). Just figured I would mention it would be good to look into the laws if he decided to go that route.
Post by: WhichDawg on June 19, 2015, 05:20:50 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on June 19, 2015, 05:22:37 AM
we have great laws (Oregon) I can't wait to try a silencer! (on next handgun) :dd:
Go ahead. Rub it in. :twak:
Post by: Mike 56 on June 19, 2015, 06:47:05 AM
I know all this as I live in California. ;)
He is in Canada and they have some weird gun laws (in my opinion). Just figured I would mention it would be good to look into the laws if he decided to go that route.
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Good point, I have no idea what Canadas gun laws are.
Post by: WhichDawg on June 19, 2015, 07:24:26 AM
we have great laws (Oregon) I can't wait to try a silencer! (on next handgun) :dd:
Go ahead. Rub it in. :twak:
I'll put pictures and dancing moves! :whistle: :pok:
Post by: Chako on June 21, 2015, 01:23:16 PM
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,29781.0.html
Well I think this summer, I should be trying my hand at something, and this is what I came up with...
I now have a pair of SA Armies, one in .22LR and the other in 45 Colt.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_8244small_zpsmsbmlejm.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_8244small_zpsmsbmlejm.jpg.html)
Those SAAs need a home, and I have a book upstairs with all my other Leather crafting books that should fix this sad solution.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_8248small_zpsb45tl0qs.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_8248small_zpsb45tl0qs.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_8250small_zpsusns33rm.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_8250small_zpsusns33rm.jpg.html)
If and when I get to doing this project sometime this summer, I will post my results on here. If it is a complete failure...maybe not lol.
:think:
Post by: buck on June 21, 2015, 02:37:27 PM
Now I have to decide whether I want the light SCAR 16S (5.56mm / .223) or the heavy SCAR 17S (7.62 / .308) and whether I want the black or the tan.
Yesterday I got to hold the heavy SCAR for the first time. I'm not crazy about the proprietary mags FN went with instead of SR-25 mags to circumvent the importation laws. Also it doesn't feel as wonderful in the hands because even though it is only like half a pound more than the light SCAR, all that extra weight is forward of the center of gravity. This pic illustrates that:
(http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx35/Clyde_44/SCARZILLA/IMG_0707.jpg)
http://fnforum.net/forums/fn-scar-17s/15380-fn-scar-17s-compared-fn-scar-16s.html
So, I'm leaning towards the light SCAR and now trying to avoid circling down the financial drain and getting both.
Post by: buck on June 21, 2015, 10:21:57 PM
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/453/18405617263_7b23f3fe0a_o.jpg)
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/383/18838615890_1833f9f202_o.jpg)
Post by: Chako on June 22, 2015, 01:55:25 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on June 22, 2015, 02:04:29 AM
Post by: buck on June 22, 2015, 03:05:40 AM
Maybe.
Post by: SAK Guy on June 22, 2015, 03:15:56 AM
Post by: buck on June 22, 2015, 11:06:14 AM
http://handldefense.com/shop/product-category/hd-products/
Feral hogs have taken over Texas and many states and are pretty much considered vermin. Landowners and the government wants their numbers controlled and they breed like crazy. Lots of services for hunting them even from helicopters using AR's, .223 and/or .308. Lots of videos but I'm not posting links as they are objectionable to some.
Post by: SAK Guy on June 22, 2015, 04:03:55 PM
You can evidently get other lowers for the heavy SCAR to take SR25 mags or even AK47 mags.
http://handldefense.com/shop/product-category/hd-products/
Feral hogs have taken over Texas and many states and are pretty much considered vermin. Landowners and the government wants their numbers controlled and they breed like crazy. Lots of services for hunting them even from helicopters using AR's, .223 and/or .308. Lots of videos but I'm not posting links as they are objectionable to some.
Cool thx!! I'm in Texas and they root up the back of my place all the time....seen groups of 25-30 back there.
Most folks who work the land around here have a centerfire rifle behind their seat for hog control.
Post by: buck on June 22, 2015, 09:25:28 PM
>:D
Post by: captain spaulding on June 22, 2015, 09:29:04 PM
You can evidently get other lowers for the heavy SCAR to take SR25 mags or even AK47 mags.
http://handldefense.com/shop/product-category/hd-products/
Feral hogs have taken over Texas and many states and are pretty much considered vermin. Landowners and the government wants their numbers controlled and they breed like crazy. Lots of services for hunting them even from helicopters using AR's, .223 and/or .308. Lots of videos but I'm not posting links as they are objectionable to some.
Cool thx!! I'm in Texas and they root up the back of my place all the time....seen groups of 25-30 back there.
Most folks who work the land around here have a centerfire rifle behind their seat for hog control.
So I heard something and am hoping you can confirm or deny. I heard in Texas you can shoot/hunt hogs year around without tags or hunting license. Any truth to this?
Post by: buck on June 23, 2015, 02:16:36 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on June 23, 2015, 02:22:01 AM
You can evidently get other lowers for the heavy SCAR to take SR25 mags or even AK47 mags.
http://handldefense.com/shop/product-category/hd-products/
Feral hogs have taken over Texas and many states and are pretty much considered vermin. Landowners and the government wants their numbers controlled and they breed like crazy. Lots of services for hunting them even from helicopters using AR's, .223 and/or .308. Lots of videos but I'm not posting links as they are objectionable to some.
Cool thx!! I'm in Texas and they root up the back of my place all the time....seen groups of 25-30 back there.
Most folks who work the land around here have a centerfire rifle behind their seat for hog control.
So I heard something and am hoping you can confirm or deny. I heard in Texas you can shoot/hunt hogs year around without tags or hunting license. Any truth to this?
Buck is right...year round, no limit, no license.
Post by: captain spaulding on June 23, 2015, 02:29:05 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on June 23, 2015, 02:41:46 AM
Thanks guys. Free meat is always nice. :drool:
Like Bocephus says, "We cooked the pig in the ground, got some beer on ice. And all my rowdy friends are comin over tonight". 8)
Post by: buck on June 24, 2015, 02:41:40 AM
And I may have to go pop a piggy, just because. I mean who do they think they are invading our state like that, right? Did they honestly think there wouldn't be a price to pay? Well the piper must be paid and with bacon at that.
Post by: SAK Guy on June 24, 2015, 03:07:52 AM
I may have to have a tan .308 heavy SCAR my damn self. I'm SCARred for life now.
And I may have to go pop a piggy, just because. I mean who do they think they are invading our state like that, right? Did they honestly think there wouldn't be a price to pay? Well the piper must be paid and with bacon at that.
:rofl: :cheers:
Post by: buck on June 24, 2015, 03:26:33 AM
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/466/18443230093_4a50d127e3_k.jpg)
Post by: SAK Guy on June 24, 2015, 03:32:11 AM
Meet my Bengal cat, Chui
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/466/18443230093_4a50d127e3_k.jpg)
Nice cat! :tu: How do you like those open sights?
Post by: buck on June 24, 2015, 09:29:37 AM
Found these bacon rail covers. :rofl:
(http://shop.customgunrails.com/images/Bacon%20Grip%20with%20name.bmp)
Post by: ducttapetech on June 24, 2015, 11:26:56 AM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/24/6efde11427c17906a6dfd56ee6ecab54.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/24/5c6df7ab0b9023e4e7fc520bcd03b25f.jpg)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/24/4cf0de648b785ffd9df193124f05fa79.jpg)
Nate
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Post by: SAK Guy on June 24, 2015, 03:38:16 PM
I love the FN open peep sites. I've looked and thought about optics but I like it as is just fine This gun feels better than any rifle I've ever picked up, everything is where it should be and nothing where it shouldn't and I'm a lefty.
Found these bacon rail covers. :rofl:
(http://shop.customgunrails.com/images/Bacon%20Grip%20with%20name.bmp)
(https://www.tvmoviedepot.com/images/Simpsons_Bacon_Blue_Shirt_POP.jpg)
Post by: SAK Guy on June 24, 2015, 03:41:10 PM
Did a little work on my old school S&W Sigma.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/24/6efde11427c17906a6dfd56ee6ecab54.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/24/5c6df7ab0b9023e4e7fc520bcd03b25f.jpg)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/24/4cf0de648b785ffd9df193124f05fa79.jpg)
Nate
That's us mobile
That looks great Nate!!!!!! :cheers: :cheers: Really adds to the coolness factor!!! 8)
Post by: ducttapetech on June 24, 2015, 03:44:04 PM
Thanks!Did a little work on my old school S&W Sigma.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/24/6efde11427c17906a6dfd56ee6ecab54.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/24/5c6df7ab0b9023e4e7fc520bcd03b25f.jpg)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/24/4cf0de648b785ffd9df193124f05fa79.jpg)
Nate
That's us mobile
That looks great Nate!!!!!! :cheers: :cheers: Really adds to the coolness factor!!! 8)
Post by: buck on June 24, 2015, 10:32:46 PM
What's a good FDE scope that won't break the bank (cause bank has done been broke!).
Post by: SAK Guy on June 24, 2015, 11:09:57 PM
FDE SCAR .308 incoming.
What's a good FDE scope that won't break the bank (cause bank has done been broke!).
:ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Congrats!!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
I don't know about scopes...went with an Aimpoint T-1 2MOA on my rifle (but it does have a FDE cover on it :D).
Post by: buck on June 25, 2015, 01:21:21 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 25, 2015, 01:43:08 AM
FDE SCAR .308 incoming.
What's a good FDE scope that won't break the bank (cause bank has done been broke!).
Any scope can be FDE with the right paint.
What will the rifle be used for will affect which scope to get.
Post by: buck on June 25, 2015, 03:59:21 AM
Post by: buck on June 25, 2015, 08:08:03 AM
Meet my Bengal cat, Chui
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/466/18443230093_4a50d127e3_k.jpg)
Nice cat! :tu: How do you like those open sights?
FYI, guy shooting at long distance with .308 SCAR iron sights.
http://fnforum.net/forums/fn-scar-17s/50170-optics-smoptics.html
Post by: SAK Guy on June 25, 2015, 04:19:20 PM
Meet my Bengal cat, Chui
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/466/18443230093_4a50d127e3_k.jpg)
Nice cat! :tu: How do you like those open sights?
FYI, guy shooting at long distance with .308 SCAR iron sights.
http://fnforum.net/forums/fn-scar-17s/50170-optics-smoptics.html
Very impressive!!!! :o :salute:
Post by: buck on June 25, 2015, 10:28:24 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on June 25, 2015, 10:45:28 PM
Picked up a Trijicon 4x16x50 Accupoint for the heavy SCAR. Clearest brightest scope I've handled including a high end Vortex that was > 3X the cost. I'm getting it duracoated FDE.
:drool: :drool: :drool: Ought to be able to take a few pigs with that setup. :cheers:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 27, 2015, 03:47:51 AM
Picked up a Trijicon 4x16x50 Accupoint for the heavy SCAR. Clearest brightest scope I've handled including a high end Vortex that was > 3X the cost. I'm getting it duracoated FDE.
4x16 is plenty for pig or deer at 300. Good choice, should serve you well.
Post by: buck on June 27, 2015, 10:49:30 AM
Now the quest for a lefty friendly sling.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 28, 2015, 05:13:52 PM
Yep, hard to go wrong with Trijicon.
Now the quest for a lefty friendly sling.
You mean it is hard to go wrong with Trijicon if the Army pays for it. Way to expensive for this guy.
As far as sling goes all I have to say is two point VTAC. Fully ambidextrous and tough as nails. Mine has been through three deployments and is still going strong.
Here is a picture of it today.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150628_101048_681.jpg~original)
Post by: kirk13 on June 28, 2015, 05:23:07 PM
Yep, hard to go wrong with Trijicon.
Now the quest for a lefty friendly sling.
You mean it is hard to go wrong with Trijicon if the Army pays for it. Way to expensive for this guy.
As far as sling goes all I have to say is two point VTAC. Fully ambidextrous and tough as nails. Mine has been through three deployments and is still going strong.
Here is a picture of it today.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150628_101048_681.jpg~original)
Tactical whiskey sling?
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 28, 2015, 05:32:38 PM
Yep, hard to go wrong with Trijicon.
Now the quest for a lefty friendly sling.
You mean it is hard to go wrong with Trijicon if the Army pays for it. Way to expensive for this guy.
As far as sling goes all I have to say is two point VTAC. Fully ambidextrous and tough as nails. Mine has been through three deployments and is still going strong.
Here is a picture of it today.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150628_101048_681.jpg~original)
Tactical whiskey sling?
We not allowed to drink right now since we are the ready Battalion so I guess it is on my mind.
Post by: kirk13 on June 28, 2015, 05:41:09 PM
Yep, hard to go wrong with Trijicon.
Now the quest for a lefty friendly sling.
You mean it is hard to go wrong with Trijicon if the Army pays for it. Way to expensive for this guy.
As far as sling goes all I have to say is two point VTAC. Fully ambidextrous and tough as nails. Mine has been through three deployments and is still going strong.
Here is a picture of it today.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150628_101048_681.jpg~original)
Tactical whiskey sling?
We not allowed to drink right now since we are the ready Battalion so I guess it is on my mind.
:salute:
Sacrifices you make for the people of the USA!
Post by: Chako on June 28, 2015, 09:18:06 PM
So here are the toys I brought out to play today. For rifle, an SKS in Russian short. For shotgun, a 12 Gauge Remington 870. For pistol, a S&W M&P in 9 mm.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/RIMG0456small_zps4cv8ouip.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/RIMG0456small_zps4cv8ouip.jpg.html)
The guys at the local gun club sure come up with some interesting scenarios for their 3 gun fun shoots. The premise of this one, you are a Harvey's employee who has to protect the restaurant or something. Here is the start of the course.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/RIMG0458small_zps0p5mqrjy.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/RIMG0458small_zps0p5mqrjy.jpg.html)
As best as I can describe this fun competition:
1. You have to use a spatula to place two rubber hamburgers and a mop that represents fries on a tray.
2. Give tray to 3 seated dummies with balloons for their heads.
3. Grab the rifle, load, and hit the bobbing balloon downrange first and then 4 more paper targets...alll through the far door of the first staging area.
4. Drop rifle in barrel and grab a full pitcher of water and give it to a second table.
5. Grab shotgun and load with shot-shells and hit 6 clay pigeons on the embankment...still staying with at least one foot in the staging area.
6. Proceed downrange and hit two more clay pigeons hidden behind no hit objects...meaning you have to hit them around a wall.
7. Now load shotgun with slugs and hit a water jug first.
8. Once the water jug is taken out, then proceed to hit 5 more paper targets down range using slugs.
9. Drop shotgun into a barrel and proceed to the pistol house which is located in a dog leg off to the left.
10. Load pistol (all pistol targets are to be double tapped) and shoot 3 targets in the house...and then proceed to the next room avoiding clay pigeons that are landmines on the ground.
11. Move to next room and take out 3 more targets but stay on the wooden platform.
12. You are done.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/RIMG0460small_zps10gdqsuu.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/RIMG0460small_zps10gdqsuu.jpg.html)
Here I am before the 3 gun. Man I hate taking selfies.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/RIMG0462small_zpsdoplo1ug.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/RIMG0462small_zpsdoplo1ug.jpg.html)
Here is a better shot showing part of the course. Here we see a competition going through the motions with the range officer right behind him.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/RIMG0464small_zpsvzsro2ba.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/RIMG0464small_zpsvzsro2ba.jpg.html)
Here are some of the rooty tooty point and shooties folks brought out.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/RIMG0467small_zpsjknxwwze.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/RIMG0467small_zpsjknxwwze.jpg.html)
Well it was great fun. I made a few errors, and mostly due to my lack of experience with the shotgun. I jammed it once...and I know it was because I didn't get behind the pump action. I also found out how awkward it was for me to shoot a right hand shotgun right handed around a corner, when you have a left dominant eye and shoot the thing as a left hander. It didn't feel good, and that means I need more practice with it. Me and the pistol are now good buddies. Time to switch to the shotgun for some much needed practice runs. That and to practice the speed loading. It didn't help that I was the only guy there that was forced to stuff shot-shells in his front pockets of his jeans. I now bought a shot-shell belt right after that fun shoot. >:D
Yeah, I need to work on a few things...but had a blast of a time. It was my first, and I learned a few lessons from it...so definitely a win win in my books.
Here is my holster for my M&P back in the club. I am well equiped for IPSC competitions. Not so much for 3 gun...but the next time, it should be better. :D
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/RIMG0468small_zpssyepogwf.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/RIMG0468small_zpssyepogwf.jpg.html)
Here are my two long shooting irons taking a much deserved rest after the competition.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/RIMG0469small_zpscv6bkeqs.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/RIMG0469small_zpscv6bkeqs.jpg.html)
laying at the ammo free table in the club house.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/RIMG0473small_zpstupcuuay.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/RIMG0473small_zpstupcuuay.jpg.html)
:tu:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 29, 2015, 12:23:12 AM
Never seen someone use a SKS at a match before I like it.
Post by: SAK Guy on June 29, 2015, 02:34:51 AM
Post by: Chako on June 29, 2015, 02:48:39 AM
I haven't had the opportunity to sight in the tactically decked out SKS yet.
Post by: captain spaulding on June 29, 2015, 02:52:24 AM
It was either that or my 30.06. Still waiting for a pair of mags for the Hi-Point 9 mm carbine. :facepalm:
I haven't had the opportunity to sight in the tactically decked out SKS yet.
Still!
Post by: Chako on June 29, 2015, 02:54:47 AM
Post by: buck on June 29, 2015, 12:27:43 PM
Tried some Remington Hog Hammer and Winchester Razorback ammo, mediocre accuracy. Barnes X type bullet for deep penetration/expansion on boar and/or the latest greatest ammo marketing ploy. Zombies are out, hogs are in.
All this was with the irons though. I need to try again when I get my Trijicon ACOG sighted in on the light SCAR.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 30, 2015, 01:20:22 AM
If you don't dig the shotgun you should checkout outlaw two gun. Same thing but no shotgun. Also most of the stages around here are set up so you could just use your rifle and pistol.
Post by: buck on June 30, 2015, 02:01:49 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 01, 2015, 03:14:14 AM
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150630_183101_342.jpg~original)
Post by: zoidberg on July 01, 2015, 11:44:21 AM
Random picture of the best defensive pistol I have ever owned.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150630_183101_342.jpg~original)
Nice gear buddy. :tu:
Post by: buck on July 01, 2015, 01:21:27 PM
I have one like that only olive drab.
Post by: Chako on July 01, 2015, 01:23:45 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 02, 2015, 12:06:19 AM
I've never had nor seen any CZ jam. Great guns and priced reasonably on top of that.
I have one like that only olive drab.
I think they make some in FDE.
They are very popular around here as well.
But with 5 round mags?
Post by: Chako on July 02, 2015, 12:20:23 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 02, 2015, 12:31:31 AM
Was surprised someone would use a CZ P07 if they could only have 5 rounds.
Post by: Chako on July 02, 2015, 12:59:16 AM
- Handguns - 10 rounds limit for centerfire.
- handguns - 10 rounds limit for rimfire.
- Rifles - 5 rounds limit for centerfire.
- Rifles - No limit for rimfire.
- Shotguns Pump - No limit.
- Shotguns Semi-auto - 5 shells max.
- Shotguns (all types) hunting - 3 shell limit.
So that about sums it up...however, there are some weird things out there. For example, if your magazine was designed for a larger different caliber, and you can stuff more smaller caliber cartridges into it and will work with your firearm...you are good to go.
http://tv-presspass.com/the-importance-of-50-beowulf-magazines/
Post by: buck on July 02, 2015, 02:11:44 PM
I've never had nor seen any CZ jam. Great guns and priced reasonably on top of that.
I have one like that only olive drab.
I think they make some in FDE.
...
(http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/3shot1.jpg)
I did not know that but that appears to be the case.
Post by: buck on July 03, 2015, 06:36:56 PM
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/448/19387521531_b92be51041_k.jpg)
Post by: captain spaulding on July 03, 2015, 06:38:26 PM
Post by: buck on July 04, 2015, 06:30:35 AM
http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/mobile.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3503
(http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/images/reprfde2.jpg)
Post by: SAK Guy on July 04, 2015, 02:16:24 PM
Post by: BASguy on July 04, 2015, 07:19:04 PM
Dealer having difficulty finding a distributor with a flat dark earth SCAR 17 .308 so I burned my credit up on a "Magnum Force" gun.Beautiful..... No semi has that kind of character. Well played!
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/448/19387521531_b92be51041_k.jpg)
Sent from 9 miles from the face of the sun
Post by: SAK Guy on July 04, 2015, 07:53:54 PM
Dealer having difficulty finding a distributor with a flat dark earth SCAR 17 .308 so I burned my credit up on a "Magnum Force" gun.Beautiful..... No semi has that kind of character. Well played!
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/448/19387521531_b92be51041_k.jpg)
Sent from 9 miles from the face of the sun
Unless......it's a Colt 1911....... :D
Post by: jerseydevil on July 04, 2015, 10:02:58 PM
Dealer having difficulty finding a distributor with a flat dark earth SCAR 17 .308 so I burned my credit up on a "Magnum Force" gun.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/448/19387521531_b92be51041_k.jpg)
Beautiful wheelgun! :tu:
Post by: buck on July 06, 2015, 02:44:10 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 06, 2015, 05:35:13 AM
How many mags does one need for 2 gun, 3 gun fun? SCAR .308 deal is back in play, though maybe the light SCAR would be the better option, not that I give a flip about competing. Its more a function of which gun I want to hear go bang on a given day.
All of the three and two gun matches around here give a round count but you can almost always get away with two mags for a rifle.
There is also a heavy metal division for the 7.62 guys.
Post by: buck on July 08, 2015, 01:28:12 PM
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3714/19483596416_553158960c_o.jpg)
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/516/19483623516_b7420e6f63_o.jpg)
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/377/19321753158_3df39f23bf_o.jpg)
Here is what the ACOG horseshoe reticle looks like (not at 100 yards though).
(http://www.maxprotactical.com/v/vspfiles/photos/TJ-TA31H-3.jpg)
Post by: buck on July 08, 2015, 01:54:21 PM
Post by: Chako on July 08, 2015, 01:56:53 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on July 08, 2015, 03:10:04 PM
Post by: buck on July 08, 2015, 04:52:32 PM
nice comparison video between the SCAR and REPR
Post by: SAK Guy on July 08, 2015, 05:09:15 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 08, 2015, 07:26:23 PM
Willpower failing.
Post by: SAK Guy on July 08, 2015, 08:23:46 PM
Must resist buying a SCAR.
Willpower failing.
+1 :facepalm:
Post by: ducttapetech on July 08, 2015, 08:47:45 PM
You know you have too...
Nate
That's us mobile
Post by: toolguy on July 08, 2015, 09:12:43 PM
Dealer having difficulty finding a distributor with a flat dark earth SCAR 17 .308 so I burned my credit up on a "Magnum Force" gun.
I'm unable to determine the condition of your Python but even in average condition these wheel guns are bringing substantial prices,congrats.
Mine sports a Burris Fastfire III,since my eyesight is not as good as it used to be.
Post by: buck on July 08, 2015, 10:00:26 PM
We need more SCARfaces! Do it! Say hello to your little friend! If you're in Austin you can try mine out if you like.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 08, 2015, 10:55:46 PM
Dealer having difficulty finding a distributor with a flat dark earth SCAR 17 .308 so I burned my credit up on a "Magnum Force" gun.
I'm unable to determine the condition of your Python but even in average condition these wheel guns are bringing substantial prices,congrats.
Mine sports a Burris Fastfire III,since my eyesight is not as good as it used to be.
This is not so true anymore, the value of good condition Pythons is falling rapidly.
Being the good guy I am I will give you 300 cash money for either of yours. Just so you don't lose anymore money then you have already buying what is at best a archaic out of date firearm.
Your welcome.
Post by: buck on July 09, 2015, 01:48:42 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IM3_gGTQa4Q
Post by: Chako on July 09, 2015, 01:54:24 PM
Post by: toolguy on July 09, 2015, 02:41:06 PM
My next hog was dispatched with a Thompson/Center Cougar {limited edition of their Hawken} which was chambered in .50 caliber.I was using the T/C 370 grain maxiball in front of 90 grains of Goex FFG black powder.I hit that hog in the left front shoulder at a 45 degree angle.The bullet traversed the entire body at this angle and exited at the right rear quarter.That hog only ran 15 yards downhill before he expired.I never did recover the bullet.
Buy a Scar because you want it,not because of a video showing a hunter substituting firepower for good shot placement.
Post by: Chako on July 09, 2015, 03:05:46 PM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_8548small_zpsopnweehi.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_8548small_zpsopnweehi.jpg.html)
From left to right:
Russian SKS with laminate wooden stock
Benjamin Classic .22 pellet rifle with scope
Remington 870 12 gauge with 3 shot extended shell tube.
Umarex Morph 3X .177 pellet or BB.
Russian SKS with ATI Strikeforce stock, bipod, NCSTAR boar scope/laser/scope mounting kit, and muzzle brake.
Savage Axis II 30.06 with scope and bipod.
Ruger 10/22 .22LR carbine with 110 round drum magazine.
Hi-Point 9mm carbine.
I also bought one of those wall mounted locking key safes. My plan there is to mount that in my gun room and to have a copy of everything I need locked therein, thereby eliminating the need for so many keys to be carried. I should only need to carry one key for the vast majority with a few for the trigger guards.
The idea is to streamline if possible.
Post by: buck on July 09, 2015, 03:33:02 PM
Corrected wild hog charge stop with SCAR video link.
I once shot a medium sized boar about 300 pounds through the lungs with a .30-06. He dropped. He got back up and started running. My dad nailed him through the neck running with a .257 Weatherby magnum. He dropped. He got back up and charged. I dropped him point blank with a .44 magnum revolver.
We had a long drag to get him back to the pickup out of the bog. My dad cut a slot in his ear and looped his belt through it and we each held one side of the belt and started dragging. The belt broke. We doubled the broken belt through his ear and dragged some more. It broke again! We doubled it again and eventually got him back to the pickup. One tough old pig.
Post by: buck on July 09, 2015, 03:50:19 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on July 09, 2015, 04:19:40 PM
Nate
That's us mobile
Post by: buck on July 09, 2015, 04:25:16 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 09, 2015, 05:30:53 PM
Is a SCAR legal in Canada with a 10 shoot mag?
Hahahaha! Umm no.
This is a educated guess but I am almost positive this is the case.
Post by: SAK Guy on July 09, 2015, 05:37:17 PM
Shot placement is key, but sometimes, being able to sling lead downrange is needed.
Nate
That's us mobile
Agreed....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ-EOg38t1o
Post by: Chako on July 09, 2015, 05:50:00 PM
Post by: toolguy on July 09, 2015, 06:01:37 PM
Shot placement is key, but sometimes, being able to sling lead downrange is needed.
Nate
That's us mobile
Agreed....
Even with several thousand rounds expended and using one of the coolest guns in the Vulcan weapons system,they still didn't kill the Predator. LOL
It made for an interesting scene but it once again illustrated the futility of slinging lead and the need for proper shot placement.
Post by: SAK Guy on July 09, 2015, 06:04:09 PM
Shot placement is key, but sometimes, being able to sling lead downrange is needed.
Nate
That's us mobile
Agreed....
Even with several thousand rounds expended and using one of the coolest guns in the Vulcan weapons system,they still didn't kill the Predator. LOL
It made for an interesting scene but it once again illustrated the futility of slinging lead and the need for proper shot placement.
:tu: Yes, but it was a crucial turning point in the plot...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNr0WXQ3Ho4
Post by: toolguy on July 09, 2015, 06:07:51 PM
Corrected wild hog charge stop with SCAR video link.
I once shot a medium sized boar about 300 pounds through the lungs with a .30-06. He dropped. He got back up and started running. My dad nailed him through the neck running with a .257 Weatherby magnum. He dropped. He got back up and charged. I dropped him point blank with a .44 magnum revolver.
We had a long drag to get him back to the pickup out of the bog. My dad cut a slot in his ear and looped his belt through it and we each held one side of the belt and started dragging. The belt broke. We doubled the broken belt through his ear and dragged some more. It broke again! We doubled it again and eventually got him back to the pickup. One tough old pig.
Perhaps you or your dad need this gun to dispatch your hog.LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrImp-ek3bI&feature=player_detailpage
Post by: SAK Guy on July 09, 2015, 06:48:37 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on July 09, 2015, 06:53:10 PM
Shot placement is key, but sometimes, being able to sling lead downrange is needed.
Nate
That's us mobile
Agreed....
Even with several thousand rounds expended and using one of the coolest guns in the Vulcan weapons system,they still didn't kill the Predator. LOL
It made for an interesting scene but it once again illustrated the futility of slinging lead and the need for proper shot placement.
It works for killing armoured vehicles and tanks.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/09/fdb34dbc1362da45fbf4aef878373da6.jpg)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/09/524049558f11e39a9fe67845a9678697.jpg)
Nate
That's us mobile
Post by: Chako on July 09, 2015, 07:16:37 PM
Post by: jerseydevil on July 09, 2015, 07:26:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsNlmiLJGIw
Post by: jerseydevil on July 09, 2015, 07:28:21 PM
Corrected wild hog charge stop with SCAR video link.
I once shot a medium sized boar about 300 pounds through the lungs with a .30-06. He dropped. He got back up and started running. My dad nailed him through the neck running with a .257 Weatherby magnum. He dropped. He got back up and charged. I dropped him point blank with a .44 magnum revolver.
We had a long drag to get him back to the pickup out of the bog. My dad cut a slot in his ear and looped his belt through it and we each held one side of the belt and started dragging. The belt broke. We doubled the broken belt through his ear and dragged some more. It broke again! We doubled it again and eventually got him back to the pickup. One tough old pig.
Perhaps you or your dad need this gun to dispatch your hog.LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrImp-ek3bI&feature=player_detailpage
I once fired a .577 Nitro Express double rifle. When both rounds were expended, I noticed that I was missing several fillings...... :ahhh
Post by: David on July 09, 2015, 07:48:35 PM
Post by: jerseydevil on July 09, 2015, 08:00:11 PM
While shot placement is key. Animals do not always respond to our preconcieved ideas on the issue. Jack Lott once stated that killing a cape buffalo wasnt hard, convincing him he had under gone a change of status was the hard part. :D
If anyone should know, it was Jack Lott. He got trampled after shooting one with a .458 Winchester Magnum. That's why today we have the .458 Lott.......
Post by: ColoSwiss on July 10, 2015, 02:12:46 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on July 10, 2015, 02:19:22 AM
Post by: buck on July 10, 2015, 04:02:58 AM
While shot placement is key. Animals do not always respond to our preconcieved ideas on the issue. Jack Lott once stated that killing a cape buffalo wasnt hard, convincing him he had under gone a change of status was the hard part. :D
If anyone should know, it was Jack Lott. He got trampled after shooting one with a .458 Winchester Magnum. That's why today we have the .458 Lott.......
I got so close I could have leaned out and touched one on the nose with my .470.
Post by: buck on July 10, 2015, 04:19:09 AM
Shot placement is key, but sometimes, being able to sling lead downrange is needed.
Nate
That's us mobile
Agreed....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ-EOg38t1o
Quote
Eden: And this is your way? Abducting women and children?
Raisuli: I prefer to fight the European armies, but they do not fight as men - they fight as dogs! Men prefer to fight with swords, so they can see each other's eyes! Sometimes, this is not possible. Then, they fight with rifles. The Europeans have guns that fire many times promiscuously and rend the Earth. There is no honor in this - nothing is decided from this. Therefore, I take women and children when it pleases me!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1s587_qG8eg
Post by: jerseydevil on July 10, 2015, 04:29:25 AM
Post by: Gareth on July 10, 2015, 12:01:42 PM
A slab of Yamato-class battleship armor after the attention of a US 16" shell.
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=53984.0;attach=197418;image)
Now that's scary! :o
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on July 10, 2015, 02:13:23 PM
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Post by: ducttapetech on July 10, 2015, 02:33:42 PM
Nate
That's us mobile
Post by: jerseydevil on July 10, 2015, 03:12:29 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 10, 2015, 07:38:22 PM
Impressive! Has to have been a postwar test, since the largest gun a Yamato faced in combat was a 5" off Samar. I'll have to find pics of the 14" hit USS South Dakota took at Guadalcanal.
I am starting to think you should have got into the history teaching instead of slinging paint JD.
Post by: ColoSwiss on July 10, 2015, 11:22:50 PM
Impressive! Has to have been a postwar test, since the largest gun a Yamato faced in combat was a 5" off Samar. I'll have to find pics of the 14" hit USS South Dakota took at Guadalcanal.
Definitely post-war. The US Navy found several pieces of Yamato-class armor plate in Japan, probably intended for Shinano before its conversion to a carrier. Shipped back to the US for testing. Don't know what velocity (corresponding to what range) they used. Supposedly the super-heavy 2700 lb 16" shell had somewhat better armor penetration than the 18" shells used in the Yamatos. The plate is now at the Navy Museum at the Washington Navy Yard.
South Dakota took one 14" shell hit on C barbette, which did not penetrate. Also about two-dozen 8" and 6" hits that pretty thoroughly tore up the superstructure.
Post by: jerseydevil on July 11, 2015, 04:26:42 AM
HMS Indefatigable sinking from 11" hits scored by SMS Von Der Tann. Two men survived.
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/HMS_Indefatigable_sinking_zpsdlgwo2sv.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/HMS_Indefatigable_sinking_zpsdlgwo2sv.jpg.html)
HMS Queen Mary explodes after 11 and 12" hits from German battlecruisers. Twenty of her crew survived the sinking. HMS Princess Royal is in the background under fire.
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/HMS_Queen_Mary_Jutland_zps54qrumsr.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/HMS_Queen_Mary_Jutland_zps54qrumsr.jpg.html)
And finally, HMS Invincible's amidships magazines explode from a 12" hit, blowing the ship in two. The two halves stood upright on the shallow seabed for about 15 minutes. Only six men survived.
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/HMS-Invincibles-centre-magazines-explode-IMW-SP2468_zpsfouupgtc.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/HMS-Invincibles-centre-magazines-explode-IMW-SP2468_zpsfouupgtc.jpg.html)
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/HMS-Invincible-sinks-IWM-SP2470_zpsnz4aqi6k.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/HMS-Invincible-sinks-IWM-SP2470_zpsnz4aqi6k.jpg.html)
@Harley - This isn't the place to talk about it, though there are mentions in some other threads. Let's just say that life sometimes throws you a curve.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 11, 2015, 05:32:53 AM
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on July 11, 2015, 11:15:12 AM
The casualty lists during naval engagements are truly horrific reading though :o
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Post by: buck on July 11, 2015, 02:37:05 PM
Post by: buck on July 11, 2015, 08:26:28 PM
Assorted Federal Premium loads, all around 1" @ 100 yards with 3.5x ACOG. I wonder if any of these loads are good for hunting.
Post by: buck on July 19, 2015, 01:27:34 AM
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3723/19795585602_5cc4211dde_k.jpg)
Picked up the heavy SCAR today, shoots great. My son and the lovely lass who bore sighted it.
Post by: SAK Guy on July 19, 2015, 01:48:34 AM
Post by: jerseydevil on July 19, 2015, 03:07:47 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on July 19, 2015, 03:20:14 AM
:drool: WANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's what I said after I caught my breath!
Post by: buck on July 19, 2015, 04:44:03 AM
Post by: Chako on July 19, 2015, 05:40:36 AM
I took a long drive to North Bay. Before going, I quickly Googled gun shops in the area and came up with this place called "Lefebvre's Source For Adventure". I wrote down the address so that once I got into the city, I could type it into my GPS and find the place. Well what a lovely shop. Best selection of firearms I have yet to see in person. While there, I asked the million dollar question...if they had ghost rings sights for my Remington 870 shotgun. The guys says yes, they had something. I was floored as this has been a sort of snipe hunt for me for a few months now.
The guy pulls this package and I was amazed at my good fortunes. I wasn't even aware of this product. It is a combo sight/heat shield/ Picatinny rail system for my model. Best part, it was only 49 bucks...sign me up!
I just finished installing it, and I can't wait to try it out. In my last 3 gun competition, I burnt my hand on the hot barrel. That heat shield should be sweet. I can still keep my sight rail with this rig, and best part, the sights are tall enough that the rail won't interfere. This one product appears to have solved most of my shotgun issues in one fell swoop. I couldn't resist buying a light for one of the rails.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_8695small_zpsr3czkgmq.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_8695small_zpsr3czkgmq.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_8697small_zps0kuz6hfz.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_8697small_zps0kuz6hfz.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_8698small_zpsykpfpqdj.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_8698small_zpsykpfpqdj.jpg.html)
Post by: SAK Guy on July 19, 2015, 07:18:43 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on July 19, 2015, 08:23:58 AM
That looks cool!!!! :2tu:
+1.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 20, 2015, 04:14:20 AM
Post by: detron on July 20, 2015, 04:26:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SusumfLtYZM&ab_channel=RoyCharlesJr
to put the powder shells into perspective
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/US_Navy_101027-N-8913A-415_Sailors_aboard_the_guided-missile_destroyer_USS_Mitscher_(DDG_57)_recover_5-inch_Mark_45-54-caliber_lightweight_gun_casi.jpg/1024px-US_Navy_101027-N-8913A-415_Sailors_aboard_the_guided-missile_destroyer_USS_Mitscher_(DDG_57)_recover_5-inch_Mark_45-54-caliber_lightweight_gun_casi.jpg)
the projectiles weigh about 70 pounds each depending on type some are a few pounds more, some a few pounds lighter (High explosive, Illumination, BL&P, etc)
(http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_5-54_mk42_projectile_pic.jpg)
Post by: SAK Guy on July 20, 2015, 04:37:30 AM
Post by: detron on July 20, 2015, 04:46:01 AM
Wow!!!
it was a great weapon system, and I learned a lot working on it.
the range is pretty sweet, max effect range 9 Nautical miles (10.4 miles, 17 km). Max range (on 75% accurate) 13 Nautical miles (15 miles, 24 km).
Post by: ColoSwiss on July 20, 2015, 06:26:42 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 20, 2015, 07:43:52 PM
Interesting piece. Thanks for the photos. :salute:
That is the same thing she said.
Post by: Chako on July 22, 2015, 04:06:36 PM
So, I now have 4 of these unobtainables on their way later today. I should get them in two weeks time or less. :tu:
Post by: Aloha on July 22, 2015, 04:09:41 PM
I don't know much about firearms so I looked up that SCAR, WOW.
Post by: Chako on July 22, 2015, 08:35:42 PM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7752smal_zpsprrvydcf.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7752smal_zpsprrvydcf.jpg.html)
Post by: SAK Guy on July 22, 2015, 10:59:11 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on July 23, 2015, 12:16:13 AM
I can only dream of having a SCAR. I have one of these instead in 9 mm. :D
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7752smal_zpsprrvydcf.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7752smal_zpsprrvydcf.jpg.html)
Looks like something out of an old Flash Gordon movie. :D
Post by: Aloha on July 23, 2015, 02:03:17 AM
I know little to nothing about firearms so this thread is pretty cool. I like the western style revolvers with leather western style holsters too.
Post by: Chako on July 23, 2015, 03:19:42 AM
Yes, 9 mm is a lot cheaper than whatever the SCAR uses.
Post by: SAK Guy on July 23, 2015, 03:25:22 AM
Shoots very good actually. The longer barrel does impart quite a lot more velocity compared to my 9 mm handgun. It is quite noticeable.
Yes, 9 mm is a lot cheaper than whatever the SCAR uses.
7.62X51 or commercial 308 Winchester
Post by: jerseydevil on July 23, 2015, 04:58:48 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on July 23, 2015, 05:03:01 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on July 23, 2015, 05:48:02 AM
Wow!! That is news....now, can they find a reliable sidearm that will load HP when filthy....I'll stay with the Yankee Fist! :D
GLOCK.
Next question.
Post by: ColoSwiss on July 23, 2015, 06:59:51 AM
It may also be a cover for new pistol trials. A lot of the military actively hate the Beretta M9. Given the 'in' HK has with special ops, they would probably be a prime contender for any new weapon. An HK .45 anyone?
http://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/hollow-point-ammunition-us-army/
Post by: SAK Guy on July 23, 2015, 07:11:50 AM
We've never ratified the Hague Conventions, but have abided by them for over a century. Suspect there would be a major outcry if we abandoned them. Also most NATO members are signees, and would probably strongly object to the change. It may be a back door effort to reinstate the .45ACP. Alternately the military has been looking at pistol rounds with increased penetration against body armor (which HP lacks).
It may also be a cover for new pistol trials. A lot of the military actively hate the Beretta M9. Given the 'in' HK has with special ops, they would probably be a prime contender for any new weapon. An HK .45 anyone?
http://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/hollow-point-ammunition-us-army/
.45....cool!!!
Post by: SAK Guy on July 23, 2015, 07:17:42 AM
Wow!! That is news....now, can they find a reliable sidearm that will load HP when filthy....I'll stay with the Yankee Fist! :D
GLOCK.
Next question.
Great pistol but they don't point naturally for me....too many (38) years shooting 1911's and Browning HP's. On a speed presentation, I'm way high at 7 yards...I had to constantly adj the muzzle down.
Post by: buck on July 23, 2015, 08:09:53 AM
So Germany thought shotguns were inhumane but mustard gas was good to go in WW1. Nothing like being consistent.
SCAR 16S aka light SCAR shoots 5.56mm/.223
SCAR 17S aka heavy SCAR shoots 7.62x51mm/.308
Rifle ammo is not cheap.
Post by: captain spaulding on July 23, 2015, 08:36:44 AM
Wow!! That is news....now, can they find a reliable sidearm that will load HP when filthy....I'll stay with the Yankee Fist! :D
GLOCK.
Next question.
Great pistol but they don't point naturally for me....too many (38) years shooting 1911's and Browning HP's. On a speed presentation, I'm way high at 7 yards...I had to constantly adj the muzzle down.
They find the target well for myself personally. I'm sure all those years on 1911's have your muscle memory trained.
Post by: Chako on July 23, 2015, 08:06:58 PM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_8737small_zpsrhf4gdjw.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_8737small_zpsrhf4gdjw.jpg.html)
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on July 23, 2015, 09:40:07 PM
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Post by: SAK Guy on July 23, 2015, 10:04:14 PM
Very cool mate! I bet the recoils a bit fierce on that one :)
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+1!!! :2tu:
Post by: buck on July 23, 2015, 10:58:57 PM
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3806/19330365743_0f715d641e_k.jpg)
Post by: Gareth on July 23, 2015, 11:34:30 PM
Post by: Gareth on July 23, 2015, 11:40:15 PM
Meet the newest member of the fold...my back up for 3 gun competitions...a Hatsan Optima Aimguard with 14" barrel in 12 gauge.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_8737small_zpsrhf4gdjw.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_8737small_zpsrhf4gdjw.jpg.html)
That's very neat and compact looking Dan. :cheers: How big is the magazine on it?
Post by: Chako on July 23, 2015, 11:47:33 PM
Post by: Aloha on July 24, 2015, 12:24:34 AM
Post by: jerseydevil on July 24, 2015, 12:43:59 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on July 24, 2015, 02:26:47 AM
How's this for an accurate 223 load at 100 yards with the light SCAR?
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3806/19330365743_0f715d641e_k.jpg)
I reckon that's passable..... ;)
:cheers:
Post by: captain spaulding on July 24, 2015, 02:29:51 AM
A 14" barrel is legal in Canada?!? Not here in the States.....
Well that's not entirely true.
Post by: Sea Monster on July 24, 2015, 02:40:31 AM
The Aust G-Man wants to reclassify Lever Action firearms as Semi Automatic (which for us changes the licensing and acquiring allowance)
Apparently this "modern" technology is making guns too powerful to be trusted to the common folk.
Post by: Chako on July 24, 2015, 03:13:13 AM
http://globalnews.ca/news/365045/sawing-off-a-shotgun-can-mean-serious-prison-time-but-loophole-allows-new-shotguns-with-8-5-inch-barrels/
No relations to the local idiot either. :D
Post by: SAK Guy on July 24, 2015, 03:14:15 AM
Sorry if I am behind the ball on bringing this up (and I am sure the Poms will feel no sympathy)
The Aust G-Man wants to reclassify Lever Action firearms as Semi Automatic (which for us changes the licensing and acquiring allowance)
Apparently this "modern" technology is making guns too powerful to be trusted to the common folk.
Yeah, that late 1800's tech will trip you up every time!!!!! :facepalm:
Post by: jerseydevil on July 24, 2015, 03:56:33 AM
Sorry if I am behind the ball on bringing this up (and I am sure the Poms will feel no sympathy)
The Aust G-Man wants to reclassify Lever Action firearms as Semi Automatic (which for us changes the licensing and acquiring allowance)
Apparently this "modern" technology is making guns too powerful to be trusted to the common folk.
Yeah, that late 1800's tech will trip you up every time!!!!! :facepalm:
Ned Kelly carried a lever action. If one bush ranger 130 years ago did, what't to stop modern ones from doing the same? :ahhh
Post by: Chako on July 24, 2015, 05:47:57 AM
I couldn't press the magazine spring follower any. At this point, I start to think I have the most absolute bad luck with shotguns ever. Then I got to thinking why I couldn't budge the follower any, thereby rendering the Hatsan shotgun a single shooter. I take a look at the magazine tube and how to get into it. I know how with a Remington 870, but not with this shotgun. I triple read the manual and see nothing about how to get into the magazine tube. I then do an extensive online search. I eventually find a better manual as a PDF for a similar model...which has instructions on how to add an extension tube. It doesn't get into great details however, and I am still puzzled. I examine the shotgun once again and notice that if I press the follower and the retaining plug, both move in unison. Hmmm...so that means something is in there. I start to think about the type of plugs that make your shotgun legal for hunting, which in Canada means you can load 2+1. However, I can't even budge the follower much meaning this is taking up the whole magazine and not a portion of it. So I then go back to the net and eventually find another clue....about using a pair of pliers to remove the end. I get myself a pair of pliers and try everything I could to get some action...to no avail. I then examine the magazine tube more closely and note that I can press the plastic center down, and the metal retaining piece is separate. I then get tweezers and press down on the center part, the metal follows but then goes at an angle. At this point, I gently work up on the metal retaining piece and it is removed. Doh! Why couldn't this be mentioned in the freaking manual?
Anyways, here is what I found in my magazine tube... :facepalm:
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_8741small_zpsf7s2qbgp.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_8741small_zpsf7s2qbgp.jpg.html)
Anyone ever see anything like this before? That plastic plug is the length of my magazine tube. No clue why they would ship the shotgun with this monstrosity in it. Unless they are worried about someone picking up the shotgun and going on a rampage...or is it to protect the follower during shipment...which is odd to me seeing the recoil in use should be greater than any knocks during shipment. No mention of this in the instructions either.
I was ready to bring this back to Canadian Tire, I am very happy that I was able to resolve this issue.
Post by: ColoSwiss on July 24, 2015, 05:59:56 AM
Sorry if I am behind the ball on bringing this up (and I am sure the Poms will feel no sympathy)
The Aust G-Man wants to reclassify Lever Action firearms as Semi Automatic (which for us changes the licensing and acquiring allowance)
Apparently this "modern" technology is making guns too powerful to be trusted to the common folk.
Yeah, that late 1800's tech will trip you up every time!!!!! :facepalm:
Ned Kelly carried a lever action. If one bush ranger 130 years ago did, what't to stop modern ones from doing the same? :ahhh
Various reports that the Kelly gang had a Winchester and/or a Spencer. Also a Colt revolving rifle. Supposedly Kelly's favorite rifle was a .577 Snider-Enfield. As with many other 19th century outlaws/gun fighters its often difficult to separate fact from fiction. (Dan Kelly was Ned Kelly's younger brother)
http://kellygang0.tripod.com/weapons2.htm
(I now expect all the Aussies here to jump in with both feet! :D )
Just took another look at the article, and the Winchester shown is an 1892 model (long after Kelly's death).
Post by: ColoSwiss on July 24, 2015, 06:03:32 AM
You need to find a decent gun shop, even if it involves a bit of a drive. Seems you've had nothing but problems with the one you're using. :facepalm:
Post by: Chako on July 24, 2015, 12:35:06 PM
You know, a thought just came to me. Maybe what I found was a legal hunting plug but for a longer shotgun. Now that is funny right there. :rofl:
Post by: buck on July 24, 2015, 12:40:33 PM
Post by: Chako on July 24, 2015, 01:10:16 PM
Here are my issues. Just going to look for some tissues soon. :)
1. Bought the shotgun when I knew very little. I was attracted to the thumb-hole stock (Liking my Benjamin Classis .22 air rifle a lot). When I took it out to the range, realized that it deposted hot shells onto my right forearm (I am left dominant and hence shoot left handed). I tried to bring it back as I only shot 3 shells through it, and the local gun shop told me it is now used and they would be more than happy to take it off my hands for a reduced price. Smurf that! I kept it.
2. Second time to the range, I shot 4 rounds and damaged my Trueglow factory installed red dot sight. Brought it back and handed over the whole thing to local gun shop. Remington was quick, and I got a new dot sight within a week and a half. Yay me!
3. Took gun to range for a third time. Blew the second red dot sight on the 5th or 6th shot. At this point, I only ran aprox 13 rounds through the shotgun. What the smurf! This time, I took off the red dot site and brought that back...still waiting for the replacement or something, and that was well over 2 months ago now. :facepalm: Either the local gun shop is playing stupid tricks, or Remington is wondering what is going on. The local gun shop told me this time, Remington wanted them to ship the sight to them first. I can just imagine how long they sat on the smurfing thing to begin with. So this is still an open issue.
4. Noticed for a new shotgun, the darn gun was very gritty on my first outing. I did clean the barrel first before shooting it. Took it to the gun club and had a more knowledgeable person take the shotgun down and we both cleaned it properly. That did improve the action somewhat.
5. Because I bought the shotgun for 3 gun, I needed to add a magazine tube extension. Local gun shop sold me one, and I went home to install it. Read the instructions and installed it...it was very easy. Next day, I took the shotgun out to the range (4th time), and only could get the original round capacity. I examined the issue and realized there were 2 dimples in the extension tube blocking round access to the extension. Local gun shop dremeled those out for me, as I didn't want to break warranty on the shotgun. Took the gun out to test it out, and found the gun to be so gritty, it was terrible. I figured out that the local gun shop dremmeled those dimples out all right, but neglected to put a rag in the magazine tube, hence all those lovely metal bits went into the action. :rant:
6. Took apart the gun and cleaned it out nicely, just in time for a 3 gun. The gun didn't jam on me thankfully. However I quickly found out that the back picatinny rail and the front bead sight didn't make for a good sight alignment. It took me quite some time to find a solution for that, and that was just recently when I went to North Bay and found a heatshield/ghost right sight add on. The shotgun keeps jamming on me however.
So much so that I am now hating my Remington 870. The issue is that once I fire a shell, I can't pump the shotgun back. It jams in the locked position. the action release is also jammed and I have to violently hit the shotgun on a wooden bench to disengage the mechanism, and eject the spent shell.
So that is the tale of me and my Remington 870. Either I have the biggest lemon, or the 870 isn't half as good as everyone is telling me. If I can't get any redress, I will call Remington up and see if they can fix my gun. Now that I have a backup, I won't worry about the gun being MIA for months at a time, which seems the avg speed the gun industry moves these days. :facepalm:
Post by: SAK Guy on July 24, 2015, 05:30:54 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 24, 2015, 07:16:16 PM
The issue you had with the dimples is a common one and something any good gun shop should have warned you about.
So yeah, I am thinking lemon. Also on a high round count shotgun I would not suggest a thumb hole as it can be hard on the hand.
Post by: Chako on July 26, 2015, 02:49:24 AM
I added one of these to improve the visibility of the front sight. Now I have a nice big glowing green dot instead of a weak red one.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_8819small_zpswudwve82.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_8819small_zpswudwve82.jpg.html)
Nice lines on this Turkish shotgun.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_8820small_zpspkqjbium.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_8820small_zpspkqjbium.jpg.html)
I bought a pair of shotshell belts that hold a box of shells each because for my first 3 gun, I had nothing to hold shells in other than stuffing them in my pockets...which didn't help my speed any. Now I can look like Poncho Villa. :facepalm:
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_8821small_zpsvo6idsuu.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_8821small_zpsvo6idsuu.jpg.html)
Also added a 5 shell carrier on the stock.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_8817small_zps8htuxyk2.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_8817small_zps8htuxyk2.jpg.html)
Should be mostly ready for the next 3 gun. :tu:
Post by: SAK Guy on July 26, 2015, 02:54:31 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 26, 2015, 03:32:00 AM
Post by: Chako on July 26, 2015, 03:33:34 AM
Capacity is 4+1
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 26, 2015, 03:38:58 AM
Post by: Chako on July 26, 2015, 03:49:48 AM
Post by: buck on July 27, 2015, 08:14:30 AM
Post by: Chako on July 27, 2015, 01:38:03 PM
Post by: Chako on July 27, 2015, 08:04:47 PM
Now just waiting for word on my Remington 870.
Post by: Chako on July 28, 2015, 02:21:24 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on July 28, 2015, 02:44:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cytGrQ5z8dY
Post by: SAK Guy on July 28, 2015, 03:45:56 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on July 28, 2015, 03:56:36 AM
I went from having only 1 5 round magazine for the Hi-Point 9mm carbine, to having 7 total in a few days. I bought 4 on line, and oddly enough, the 2 I ordered from the local gun shop arrived after only a 5 month wait. Funny that I can order 4 mags online and have them to my door a few days later, to having to wait half a year. Can't complain...at least I now have 7 magazines in total. :tu:
That's one thing you can never have to many of is magazines. I would say 4 as a absolute minimum is a good number for any firearm you own.
Post by: SAK Guy on July 28, 2015, 04:02:49 AM
9mm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wXFf34bB34
9mm pt2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM6BOjsFx4M
45ACP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDnsGe0QwhA
Post by: Chako on July 28, 2015, 04:33:44 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on July 28, 2015, 04:55:51 AM
I have only tried 115 grain factory rounds through the carbine. I haven't shot any hand-loaded 124 grains yet through it. I was waiting on extra mags before proceeding with it.
Cool! Let us know if you do!!! :2tu:
Post by: buck on July 28, 2015, 03:09:10 PM
:2tu: You're ready if.......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cytGrQ5z8dY
Belushi learned in college that the Germans had in fact bombed Pearl Harbor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI
Which explains his hatred of Illinois Nazis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ukFAvYP3UU
Post by: Chako on August 04, 2015, 01:12:13 PM
So I brought my Hatsan 12 gauge, an SKS, my 9 mm M&P, and a .22LR single action army revolver. Because he had never fired anything before, I spent a good 10 minutes going over the range protocols and safety instructions. Then I handed him the single action army in .22LR, explaining and showing to him how to safely use it, aim with it, etc. I then let him handle it a little empty. At first, he was almost going to drop the thing out of fear. I guess his mother kept telling the boy that guns are bad. Then I loaded the revolver and I fired a few shots explaining to him what to expect. I then loaded it and gave it to him. The first time he fired it, a big grin lite his features up. I then let him load and unload the revolver. After a few dozen rounds, he was very relaxed with the little Single Action Army. I then sat at the bench and watched him fire a few more dozen rounds. That went very well.
Then I took my 9mm semi-auto and gave him instructions on where the safeties are, how the weapon worked, and how to load and rack the slide. I then fired a few shots and he jumped. I could tell he was very nervous. I told him that the recoil wasn't that bad and that he would quickly get used to it. Then I slapped a full mag in and gave it to him. He fired the first shot and really flinched. I then asked him was it as bad as he anticipated it. He told me no. I told him to fire a few, instructing him on the trigger action, to not punch the trigger but to take up the slack and then try to feel the reset mechanism. His next few shots were a lot better and he was no longer afraid of the 9mm. His next magazine, I told him to double tap as quickly as he could. Now the grin was back on his face. That went well.
He told me that his mother's boyfriend has an SKS in the basement, and it drives him mother up the wall. I told him I brought one to try out...telling him that he can now tell his mom's boyfriend he has shot one. That should give the boy some street creds with the boyfriend. I fired a round to show him what to expect...but by this time I could tell there was no more fear in him. He was just on pure enjoyment for the sport. He fired off a few 5 rounders. I then told him to shoot it as fast as he could to get a real sens of the weapon...telling him once again about the trigger take up and seer point. He fired off a few 5 round bursts as quickly as he could. Now that grin was as big as ever.
Time to pull out my Hatsan 14" 12 gauge. The fear was a little evident now and I did tell him that this was going to kick more than the rest. He was a trooper and saw me fire off a few rounds. He told me he could feel the pressure in his chest. I told him that 12 gauge was a big round. I then showed him how to load it, rack and shoot it, and the safety action. He loaded the shotgun himself and fired off a few. He told me this would hurt his shoulders if he had to shoot many of those. I told him yes, it usually does, and that I was proud of him for following all the safety procedures and also to properly brace his shoulder into the firearm. He loved it, but only wanted to shoot 8 rounds off.
We then went back to the .22LR SAA as that was the one he liked the most. As we packed up to go home, he scoured the range for the various shell casings and before I knew it, he had a nice collection of various calibers and shells. That was his souvenir. :)
The best part, on the way back, he was full of questions on firearms, what was required to get into it, etc. Here was a kid that was in his shell and now he was out of that shell and actually talking more. I call that a victory, and one I am sure his Grandfather was wanting to see.
Best part, when we got home, his mother was back from her visit with the relatives. She asked him how did the paint ball session go. He showed her the casings and she started to freak out a little. I then explained to her what we did and how we did it. He then told her he now wanted to get his PAL with restricted. She calmed down and started to note that her son was interested in something, which hasn't happened in a long while I was told later. So she came around after a few minutes and did mention that her boyfriend has an SKS in the basement. The look on her face when her son showed her the casing and told her he had fired a few dozen rounds out of one already was priceless. She was eventually hesitantly ok with the notion and I think his Grandfather and I may have introduced a new fellow into the sport.
So all in all, yesterday was a good day. :D
Post by: Gareth on August 04, 2015, 01:28:39 PM
Post by: Chako on August 04, 2015, 01:34:36 PM
Post by: buck on August 04, 2015, 02:31:01 PM
Good job.
Post by: Chako on August 04, 2015, 02:57:33 PM
Post by: THE_LONGBOW on August 04, 2015, 04:00:27 PM
So Chako I think you teaching a young person to handle a firearm is a good thing. If he knows how to shoot he will be less likely to get in trouble with a firearm. I glad his mother was not too angry with you. The young man is an adult so really it was his decision to do this in my opinion.
Post by: matzesu on August 04, 2015, 05:07:59 PM
When everyone in the us are alowd to own a gun, then there are the good and the bad guys who have one...
So when nobody owns one, legal or illegal, then nobody would harm from gunfire..
So can some one image, what hapens when every gun in the USA would disapear (mybe cause from some magic spell).. ??
Hear in germany, the gunlaws are quite strickt: you needs a "Weapon Own Card" and a Weapon card , which you only get if your in to sport shooting, or make hunting or something
Also the "Zollbeamte" "Polize" etc have Firearms
But as normal citizen, its quite hard to get one..
There lots of illegal firearms ownd by our criminals
But there is only a realy little amount of by gunfire killed peaple hear..
Im more in multitools, and unimogs..
Nothing against firearms, as long its a cool sport device, but less Firearms as Weapons would be great..
This thread is cool, and i enjoy your postet pictures and storys, but its something to think about
Post by: Etherealicer on August 04, 2015, 05:56:58 PM
A while ago, I watched Doomsday Preppers. On one episode, the gun simply explodes during practice. Now I don't know if this was a result of owning a poor gun, poor gun maintenance or whatever, but considering a gun is nothing other than an explosion chamber I was not surprised. So, is this a common occurrence and how do you prepare for something like this?
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 04, 2015, 08:45:01 PM
Ruger Blackhawk .357
(http://i61.tinypic.com/zvbnts.jpg)
Just love everything about it, accurate, safe, robust.......and so pretty :rofl:
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2808fiv.jpg)
Post by: SAK Guy on August 04, 2015, 08:47:32 PM
Post by: matzesu on August 04, 2015, 09:04:35 PM
Where these old German WW2 Guns also still shootet?? These things i only know from WW2 Egoshooters, like MP40, MG42 etc??
Or are they to dangerous for the owner to shoot/to divicult to get spare parts/ammo ??
The only thing i can shoot, is a Springloaded pin Gun from the Mikey Mouse Magazine :)
Post by: Chako on August 04, 2015, 09:22:45 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
I hear you, but in Canada, most gun owners are very law abiding. We have some very tough laws here in Canada as well.
Post by: Mr. Whippy on August 04, 2015, 09:29:48 PM
Back to talking firearms not the social aspects of owning them. :police:
Post by: matzesu on August 04, 2015, 09:38:10 PM
Firearms are cool, but still so unprakticall:
Beside shooting on targets, whats are they usefull for??
They cant open bottles, they cant coock your food, you cant not even use they to clean your fingernails,
Knifes are way more praktical, and they dont make this loud noise when you use they :)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on August 04, 2015, 09:49:42 PM
I mean, way???
Firearms are cool, but still so unprakticall:
Beside shooting on targets, whats are they usefull for??
They cant open bottles, they cant coock your food, you cant not even use they to clean your fingernails,
Knifes are way more praktical, and they dont make this loud noise when you use they :)
Easier to kill a rabid raccoon than a knife. I could use a crossbow, but then I'd have to clean the bolt afterwards. My total for 2015: 8 raccoons. (From 20 years of historical data 6 of those will test positive for rabies).
Post by: matzesu on August 04, 2015, 09:53:15 PM
I also dosnt use my knife to kill something..
The blood on my sword(ähm i mean knife) isnt the blood af a king (who finds the manowar reference can keep it) but my own blood..
Post by: Chako on August 04, 2015, 10:05:48 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on August 04, 2015, 10:05:55 PM
A while ago, I watched Doomsday Preppers. On one episode, the gun simply explodes during practice. Now I don't know if this was a result of owning a poor gun, poor gun maintenance or whatever, but considering a gun is nothing other than an explosion chamber I was not surprised. So, is this a common occurrence and how do you prepare for something like this?
Guns are designed to handle the cartridges they fire. Occasionally somethings goes very wrong, but its extremely rare. There are several possibilities:
-Poorly made gun. Some pot-metal guns are junk, but they're more likely to break and not work long before they become physically unsafe.
- Old guns in poor condition. The classic example here is old shotguns with built-up damascus barrels. The barrels develop rust in the seams and then someone loads a modern smokeless shell in one and it can't hold the pressure.
- A plugged barrel. Slip and get some mud in the barrel, then fire the gun without checking it over. Probably lose a couple inches off the end off the barrel.
- Wrong or bad ammunition. The big one. Guns are designed for a specific cartridge. Load the wrong one and bad things can happen. The Italian Glisenti was an early weak auto pistol firing a very weak cartridge similar in appearance to the 9mm Parabellum. A hot Beretta M38 SMG load was capable of taking a Glisenti apart. Occasionally factory ammo is defective. More often its poorly made reloads. Fire a reload that someone accidentally put a double or triple charge of powder in and the results can be messy. A good quality gun will probably hold it, but sometimes not. For what its worth I never fire commercial reloaded/remanufactured ammo.
If they blew up a gun on tv, it was probably staged.
If you have more interest in the subject there's a chapter on it in 'Hatcher's Notebook'. Hatcher was a general in US Army Ordnance.
http://www.amazon.com/Hatchers-Notebook-Revised-Classic-Books/dp/0811703509/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1438718673&sr=8-1&keywords=hatcher%27s+notebook
Post by: matzesu on August 04, 2015, 10:14:32 PM
I know, im a bit strange, i listen to bands like Manowar, etc, but i wants peace...
So i hope you all use your guns only to hunt, or sports, or bring peace and democraty to the world (who finds the irony can keep it)
No offence, im just a 30 yeahr old german who dont understands how its in america, and have something weird thoughs..
So keep on whit your interessting gun storys, i wants now only to read :)
Post by: Mr. Whippy on August 04, 2015, 10:20:31 PM
I meant unless to kill something...
I also dosnt use my knife to kill something..
The blood on my sword(ähm i mean knife) isnt the blood af a king (who finds the manowar reference can keep it) but my own blood..
:D
Post by: jerseydevil on August 05, 2015, 04:12:52 AM
A while ago, I watched Doomsday Preppers. On one episode, the gun simply explodes during practice. Now I don't know if this was a result of owning a poor gun, poor gun maintenance or whatever, but considering a gun is nothing other than an explosion chamber I was not surprised. So, is this a common occurrence and how do you prepare for something like this?
Guns are designed to handle the cartridges they fire. Occasionally somethings goes very wrong, but its extremely rare. There are several possibilities:
-Poorly made gun. Some pot-metal guns are junk, but they're more likely to break and not work long before they become physically unsafe.
- Old guns in poor condition. The classic example here is old shotguns with built-up damascus barrels. The barrels develop rust in the seams and then someone loads a modern smokeless shell in one and it can't hold the pressure.
- A plugged barrel. Slip and get some mud in the barrel, then fire the gun without checking it over. Probably lose a couple inches off the end off the barrel.
- Wrong or bad ammunition. The big one. Guns are designed for a specific cartridge. Load the wrong one and bad things can happen. The Italian Glisenti was an early weak auto pistol firing a very weak cartridge similar in appearance to the 9mm Parabellum. A hot Beretta M38 SMG load was capable of taking a Glisenti apart. Occasionally factory ammo is defective. More often its poorly made reloads. Fire a reload that someone accidentally put a double or triple charge of powder in and the results can be messy. A good quality gun will probably hold it, but sometimes not. For what its worth I never fire commercial reloaded/remanufactured ammo.
If they blew up a gun on tv, it was probably staged.
If you have more interest in the subject there's a chapter on it in 'Hatcher's Notebook'. Hatcher was a general in US Army Ordnance.
http://www.amazon.com/Hatchers-Notebook-Revised-Classic-Books/dp/0811703509/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1438718673&sr=8-1&keywords=hatcher%27s+notebook
Hatcher is a must read for anyone interested in the subject. P.O. Ackley, a famous American gunsmith (ever heard of an Ackley Improved cartridge?) also conducted numerous blow-up tests. There can be several reasons, like ColoSwiss said. Early M1903 Springfield rifles had a reputation for blowing up as a result of poor heat treatment of the receiver. An '03 with a SN under 200,000 is not recommended to be fired. Other "blow ups" might not really be explosions. The Canadian Ross rifle had a widowmaker reputation because it was possible to reassemble the bolt in a way that it would chamber a round and fire, but not be locked, throwing the bolt straight back into the shooter's face. The website Forgottenweapons.com (http://www.forgottenweapons.com) did a test, intentionally trying to get a bolt to go. They came damn close..... The owner of the gun store Sarco in NJ was killed several years ago by an M1895 Lee Navy 6mm throwing a bolt. it's also interesting to note weapons that have a reputation for being unkillable. Some of the blow up tests of Japanese Arisakas are interesting to read. They just won't go, even the "last ditch" Type 45's that look like someone made it in their basement. Actually that's where many were made....... These tests involve intentional bad rechambering, with massive powder loads that are totally unsafe. An Arisaka just won't blow up!
BTW, that website I mentioned is a great one. Lots of neat articles and videos. :tu:
Post by: Gareth on August 05, 2015, 11:21:28 AM
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/Scenery/Norway/IMG_2516_zpsxtfb2yfp.jpg)
Post by: Etherealicer on August 05, 2015, 01:41:04 PM
Post by: buck on August 05, 2015, 02:41:55 PM
I know a guy who claims to be an expert reloader who had the loading gate of his Japanese repro Winchester 1886 .45-70 blow off into his cheek. He swears up and down the reloads had nothing to do with it but I have the same gun and never had problems (and never used reloads). Who knows, but most blowups turn out to involve reloads.
Post by: Chako on August 05, 2015, 03:59:19 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on August 05, 2015, 10:20:57 PM
Reloading is as safe or dangerous as the person make it. I re-check plenty of times to make sure I am not putting more powder than is required. It is when you get lazy or sloppy that mistakes happen.
Trying to watch tv while reloading, or having another beer, or just letting your mind wander.
Some years back I knew a man who had a bad reload in his 1911. Splintered the grips and blew the magazine out of the pistol. He said it felt like someone hit his hand with a baseball bat. Was afraid to let go of the pistol; thought some of his fingers might drop off also.
Post by: ColoSwiss on August 05, 2015, 10:22:26 PM
I love Forgotten Weapons. While we're on the subject, anyone know what the heck this is?
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/Scenery/Norway/IMG_2516_zpsxtfb2yfp.jpg)
Interesting, but no clue. :think:
Post by: ColoSwiss on August 05, 2015, 11:42:32 PM
Post by: TRUE LIBERTY on August 06, 2015, 12:50:45 AM
(http://ssvs.zenfolio.com/img/s8/v0/p827094619-4.jpg)
Here is some in my collection.
(http://ssvs.zenfolio.com/img/s1/v21/p965978152-4.jpg)
(http://ssvs.zenfolio.com/img/s8/v13/p125596464-4.jpg)
(http://ssvs.zenfolio.com/img/s1/v6/p785045020-5.jpg)
My custom done SKS that had a attached grenade launcher with extended barrel. Did not need a grenade launcher so I had a master gunsmith in Safety Harbour remove it. Chromed the rifle. Trigger work done do it. Extended magazine release. Made it so magazine could be removed easily unlike all other SKS models. Fiber optic sights installed. Muzzle/flash suppressor, folding stock, etc, etc. Shoots like a dream.
(http://ssvs.zenfolio.com/img/s3/v24/p1375526113-4.jpg)
(http://ssvs.zenfolio.com/img/s8/v81/p1375526041-5.jpg)
(http://ssvs.zenfolio.com/img/s3/v43/p1375526571-5.jpg)
(http://ssvs.zenfolio.com/img/s1/v22/p1375526431-4.jpg)
(http://ssvs.zenfolio.com/img/s8/v15/p1375526466-4.jpg)
(http://ssvs.zenfolio.com/img/s1/v46/p1375526335-4.jpg)
This 12 gauge has been in our family since WW1
(http://ssvs.zenfolio.com/img/s11/v36/p1375526525-4.jpg)
Post by: SAK Guy on August 06, 2015, 01:11:25 AM
Post by: TRUE LIBERTY on August 06, 2015, 02:17:31 AM
Nice collection!!!! Is that a T/C Renegade?
Thanks!
(http://ssvs.zenfolio.com/img/s1/v5/p1375526079-4.jpg)
(http://ssvs.zenfolio.com/img/s3/v26/p1375526150-4.jpg)
(http://ssvs.zenfolio.com/img/s11/v35/p1375526206-4.jpg)
(http://ssvs.zenfolio.com/img/s3/v24/p1375526363-4.jpg)
Post by: jerseydevil on August 06, 2015, 04:31:32 AM
As to shooting families, my mother and father met at a rifle match in high school. :D Both of them were certified NRA Expert in both smallbore and high power rifles........
Post by: jerseydevil on August 06, 2015, 04:33:48 AM
That 'Forgotten Weapons' site has some interesting stuff! :tu:
Doesn't it? He plays with some really neat toys. The Owen gun is a favorite of mine, and he also does an excellent video on how a Madsen machine gun works. It's complicated as all hell, almost an automatic Martini!
Post by: SAK Guy on August 06, 2015, 04:59:55 AM
Nice collection!!!! Is that a T/C Renegade?
Thanks!
(http://ssvs.zenfolio.com/img/s1/v5/p1375526079-4.jpg)
(http://ssvs.zenfolio.com/img/s3/v26/p1375526150-4.jpg)
(http://ssvs.zenfolio.com/img/s11/v35/p1375526206-4.jpg)
(http://ssvs.zenfolio.com/img/s3/v24/p1375526363-4.jpg)
Cool!! I used to have the .50 Cal Hawken by T/C...I stupidly sold it in the 80's.. :facepalm:
Post by: Chako on August 06, 2015, 05:16:13 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on August 06, 2015, 05:25:45 AM
That 1897 is beautiful! The first really successful pump gun, another John Browning classic. :tu: One of the neat things about those is that there is no trigger disconnect, so if you hold the trigger back it will fire as fast as you can work the slide. >:D The US Army issued those as the M1917 Trench Gun in both WWI and WWII. The M1917 had a shorter barrel, a perforated heat shield on the top of the barrel, and a bayonet mount for an M1917 Enfield bayonet. At close range it was a devastating weapon, and one the German government actually protested against, saying it was banned by the Hague and Geneva Conventions.
As to shooting families, my mother and father met at a rifle match in high school. :D Both of them were certified NRA Expert in both smallbore and high power rifles........
Shot one while I was stationed at Ft. Benning and it is a blast (literally) to shoot.
Post by: ColoSwiss on August 06, 2015, 05:53:19 AM
Owens had an excellent reputation for reliability. The Ausies's later F1 is a mix of Owen and Sterling features, including the Owen's vertical magazine.
The Madsen machine gun is definately an odd animal, but about three dozen countries used it in one form or another in a dozen different calibers. It was probably the first light (relatively speaking) MG, with a bipod rather than a heavy tripod.
Post by: TRUE LIBERTY on August 06, 2015, 10:11:11 AM
That 'Forgotten Weapons' site has some interesting stuff! :tu:
Doesn't it? He plays with some really neat toys. The Owen gun is a favorite of mine, and he also does an excellent video on how a Madsen machine gun works. It's complicated as all hell, almost an automatic Martini!
Absolutely correct. It was one of the first things my father taight me about the shotgun before he passed it on so many years ago.
Post by: TRUE LIBERTY on August 06, 2015, 10:44:32 AM
Post by: buck on August 07, 2015, 02:05:15 PM
My favorite auto shotguns are the Benelli and the Winchester Super-X 1 (first generation). There is a cult around the latter.
Post by: SAK Guy on August 07, 2015, 03:01:04 PM
Post by: Chako on August 12, 2015, 12:24:42 AM
I was really hoping to have it for Sunday the 23rd, which is my next IPSC competition. Sigh.
I sent them a message and have to wait for their reply.
Post by: Chako on August 12, 2015, 03:34:34 PM
So I told them I was going to see how cheap I can send it back to them and we will proceed from there. :facepalm:
Post by: Gareth on August 12, 2015, 03:49:35 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on August 12, 2015, 06:25:46 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on August 12, 2015, 06:43:48 PM
Chako, bud you have the worst luck on firearm related stuff.
I was just thinking the same thing.
Post by: captain spaulding on August 12, 2015, 07:25:29 PM
Chako, bud you have the worst luck on firearm related stuff.
Just catching up on this thread and I have to agree. :(
I cant believe they want YOU to pay to ship it back when THEY sent the wrong item. I would refuse and tell them they are either going to pay to return it and refund/replace it or I will report the charge as fraudulent charges. :mn:
Post by: Chako on August 13, 2015, 02:13:26 AM
Luck...what is that? :think: :rofl: :D
Post by: SAK Guy on August 13, 2015, 02:57:46 AM
Well now after my telling him how much Canada Post gouges, the seller told me to just keep it and they will send me the belt...time will tell.
Luck...what is that? :think: :rofl: :D
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :D
Post by: Chako on August 13, 2015, 03:14:29 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on August 13, 2015, 03:20:52 AM
Speaking of which, I just did my first online firearm purchase. I will hopefully be the proud owner of a 45 ACP 1911 Norinco. The price was right, and that should scratch that itch nicely.
Congrats!!!!!!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Post by: Chako on August 13, 2015, 03:31:27 AM
http://frontierfirearms.ca/firearms/handguns/norinco-1911-a1-45-acp-with-fiber-optic-chromed-rear-sight-not-exactly-as-shown.html
Post by: SAK Guy on August 13, 2015, 04:05:53 AM
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/1911-animation_zpszth7ila4.gif)
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on August 13, 2015, 11:34:47 AM
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Post by: Chako on August 13, 2015, 01:14:07 PM
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on August 13, 2015, 03:06:05 PM
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 13, 2015, 04:30:50 PM
:facepalm: Wish me luck, I'll need lots........
Post by: captain spaulding on August 13, 2015, 07:43:41 PM
Picked up and took a policeman to my home this morning, safe inspection is done, so now I just have to be patient for anything from 3 months to 2 years before I can collect and post pics of my grandfather's break neck side-by-side .410 .22LR working antique. If at all....
:facepalm: Wish me luck, I'll need lots........
Wow, you really have to jump through some hoops just to hope you get approved. I wish you luck and hopefully it does not take to long.
Post by: SAK Guy on August 13, 2015, 08:26:11 PM
Picked up and took a policeman to my home this morning, safe inspection is done, so now I just have to be patient for anything from 3 months to 2 years before I can collect and post pics of my grandfather's break neck side-by-side .410 .22LR working antique. If at all....
:facepalm: Wish me luck, I'll need lots........
Wow, you really have to jump through some hoops just to hope you get approved. I wish you luck and hopefully it does not take to long.
+1!!!!!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on August 13, 2015, 09:24:40 PM
Picked up and took a policeman to my home this morning, safe inspection is done, so now I just have to be patient for anything from 3 months to 2 years before I can collect and post pics of my grandfather's break neck side-by-side .410 .22LR working antique. If at all....Sounds like a great piece though :)
:facepalm: Wish me luck, I'll need lots........
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Post by: buck on August 14, 2015, 07:05:14 AM
Picked up and took a policeman to my home this morning, safe inspection is done, so now I just have to be patient for anything from 3 months to 2 years before I can collect and post pics of my grandfather's break neck side-by-side .410 .22LR working antique. If at all....
:facepalm: Wish me luck, I'll need lots........
He'd have to be a real heartless prick not to approve it. What country are we talking about?
Post by: Gareth on August 14, 2015, 09:14:44 AM
Well now after my telling him how much Canada Post gouges, the seller told me to just keep it and they will send me the belt...time will tell.
Luck...what is that? :think: :rofl: :D
That's a good start anyway. :tu:
Post by: Chako on August 14, 2015, 12:43:30 PM
However, nothing shows up for it. I emailed the seller and he tells me I have to wait 5 days before it shows up on any tracking site. :think:
Just bought these last night off of eBay for the 1911 Norinco.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/_12_zpsgqk2blp8.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/_12_zpsgqk2blp8.jpg.html)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on August 14, 2015, 03:18:16 PM
I am sure you know and are tired of hearing about it but dang living in Canada can be a pain.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 14, 2015, 04:05:56 PM
He'd have to be a real heartless prick not to approve it. What country are we talking about?
Namibia, the smile on the face of Africa :D
To license or not is a question we've been asking ourselves for about 20 years.
Not to go into politics and other social ills, they make it as difficult as possible to certain people.....
We have a gunshop helping, but I couldn't dare being honest about the origin of the rifle....they would simply confiscate and chop a beautiful antique into little pieces.
It belonged to my grandfather, came into the country early 1900's when they moved by oxwagon from Angola into Namibia, probably still under German rule those years.....
My father found it in a box with a broken stock and spring for the .410 side's hammer, built a new stock and spring and got it working again..........so for me it has double sentimental value.
Post by: Chako on August 14, 2015, 11:58:02 PM
I now have 2 boxes of 45 ACP, and I found a box of 22 shorts that would work in my 22LR SAA revolver. I had to take a few photos because I find the size somewhat amusing.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9034small_zpsqaenbbfb.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9034small_zpsqaenbbfb.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9033small_zpskrr96tk1.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9033small_zpskrr96tk1.jpg.html)
Post by: Chako on August 15, 2015, 12:13:30 AM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9036small_zpsyq9rwg7b.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9036small_zpsyq9rwg7b.jpg.html)
Post by: SAK Guy on August 15, 2015, 06:48:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T7zZ_D8nqI
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on August 15, 2015, 06:58:59 PM
Great video on Winchester levers!!!!One day, one day :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T7zZ_D8nqI
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Post by: TRUE LIBERTY on August 15, 2015, 11:13:21 PM
Picked up and took a policeman to my home this morning, safe inspection is done, so now I just have to be patient for anything from 3 months to 2 years before I can collect and post pics of my grandfather's break neck side-by-side .410 .22LR working antique. If at all....
:facepalm: Wish me luck, I'll need lots........
This is fascinating! So to be aloud to have a firearm your home needs to be inspected? :facepalm: Please explain this further.
Post by: Gareth on August 15, 2015, 11:37:11 PM
Great video on Winchester levers!!!!Got to love Hickok45. :tu:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T7zZ_D8nqI
Post by: ColoSwiss on August 16, 2015, 10:36:47 AM
Post by: kirk13 on August 16, 2015, 01:03:53 PM
Down at a gun show in Denver today several dealers had a 9mm pistol I'd never seen before; a Croatian PHP. Looked like a Walther P-38 had an illicit affair with a Browning Hi-Power. Came across varying reports on reliability; all agree spare parts are nonexistent. Probably the best comment on its effectiveness is its no longer made.You know the old saying...if it looks right,it probably is! And that isn't :ahhh
Post by: buck on August 16, 2015, 02:51:18 PM
Post by: Chako on August 16, 2015, 03:50:51 PM
I have given this some thought, and might want to do some IPSC competitions down the road with it. Thus I have started to accumulate the necessary gear.
So I bought a Bladetech Total Eclipse 1911 holster. It fits my Winchester 1911 BB handgun very snugly. I noticed the usual screw with rubber bushing...which means I can adjust the hold on the handgun. Perfect.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9053small_zpsxbxk2l6d.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9053small_zpsxbxk2l6d.jpg.html)
I also have 3 Uncle Mike Double mag belt holders designed for single stack magazines. Here is one with a pair of Remington 1911 magazines I also bought at the same time. These are a little lose at the moment, but like the holster, I can adjust the fit via a screw.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9054small_zpszqpuygdy.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9054small_zpszqpuygdy.jpg.html)
And the pair of Remington 1911 7 round magazines. This will give me 6 magazines to start off with. 2 come with the handgun, I also ordered a pair of Kimber 7 round magazines at the same time, and this pair of Remingtons. I have heard that some magazines are garbage. I figure I can try out a few from different manufacturers, and if I see some issues, I can discard those, or make them work somehow, and buy a few more that work better down the road.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9055small_zpsppra4ij3.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9055small_zpsppra4ij3.jpg.html)
I also now have 300 rounds of 45 ACP. I think that should be a good start. I also ordered another competition belt from a different seller. In the event that one doesn't come through, I should still get another sooner than later. If both come in, and I do hope they do, one will be configured for an M&P 9mm, and the other for a 1911 45 ACP.
Now it is a waiting game. :facepalm:
Post by: SAK Guy on August 16, 2015, 05:10:34 PM
I have an Italian repro Henry in .45 Long Colt. A total hoot to shoot! Very accurate and at 25 yards you can shoot a can and hear the bullet hit after the report its so frigging slow. I love it.
:2tu: That's how my Trapper is with 44 specials!! :cheers:
Post by: ColoSwiss on August 17, 2015, 12:02:36 AM
I suppose. I have a tracking number for the belt now: RI575118700CN
However, nothing shows up for it. I emailed the seller and he tells me I have to wait 5 days before it shows up on any tracking site. :think:
Just bought these last night off of eBay for the 1911 Norinco.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/_12_zpsgqk2blp8.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/_12_zpsgqk2blp8.jpg.html)
You might want to pick up some neoprene rubber grips for the 1911. Gives you a better hold.
http://www.brownells.com/items/1911-pistol-parts.aspx
Post by: Chako on August 17, 2015, 04:47:48 AM
I did find this interesting web site on cartridge comparisons.
http://sub-silentsuppressors.com/?page_id=2608
Post by: Chako on August 17, 2015, 03:41:36 PM
1911 FAQ:
http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/faqs/1911-faqs/
1911 Buyers Guide:
https://www.1911addicts.com/threads/buyers-guide-for-all-you-1911-addicts.511/
1911 Disassembly:
http://how-i-did-it.org/detail-1911/field_strip.html
Post by: SAK Guy on August 17, 2015, 07:36:47 PM
I know about the Hogue grips which are popular. I have also seen a combination wood grip with rubber wrap around in a gun shop in Sudbury. Going to try the fancy grips and see if I like them.
I did find this interesting web site on cartridge comparisons.
http://sub-silentsuppressors.com/?page_id=2608
Since '75, I've shot Pachmayr (rubber) GI issue (plastic), wood (checkered Cocobolo and walnut), smooth horn and smooth micarta...a lot of it is finding the ones you like, ones that fit you hand and work for you.
You might want some rubber grips to shoot competition and then dress it up when you get home....lots of guys do that. I have thin Pachmayr Signatures (house/travel) and smooth Colt signature Ivory Micarta (show off) on my two. The Ivory Micarta grips also shoot very well ...the micarta gets more grippy when your hand perspires a bit.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on August 18, 2015, 01:55:21 AM
I know about the Hogue grips which are popular. I have also seen a combination wood grip with rubber wrap around in a gun shop in Sudbury. Going to try the fancy grips and see if I like them.
I did find this interesting web site on cartridge comparisons.
http://sub-silentsuppressors.com/?page_id=2608
Since '75, I've shot Pachmayr (rubber) GI issue (plastic), wood (checkered Cocobolo and walnut), smooth horn and smooth micarta...a lot of it is finding the ones you like, ones that fit you hand and work for you.
You might want some rubber grips to shoot competition and then dress it up when you get home....lots of guys do that. I have thin Pachmayr Signatures (house/travel) and smooth Colt signature Ivory Micarta (show off) on my two. The Ivory Micarta grips also shoot very well ...the micarta gets more grippy when your hand perspires a bit.
VZ grips for me.
Check them out Chako, very grippy.
Post by: SAK Guy on August 18, 2015, 03:02:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNn-94fJrbs&src_vid=7y9apnbI6GA&annotation_id=75961d4b-8c14-49fd-ab2e-3d916d177d6a&feature=cards
Post by: buck on August 18, 2015, 03:14:53 PM
http://www.highfiguregrips.com/
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on August 18, 2015, 03:26:45 PM
These guys are hard to beat for fancy wood grips.
http://www.highfiguregrips.com/
Beautiful grips but I think they cost more then Chako paid for the pistol lol.
Post by: SAK Guy on August 18, 2015, 03:41:08 PM
These guys are hard to beat for fancy wood grips.
http://www.highfiguregrips.com/
Amazing site!
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on August 18, 2015, 03:42:18 PM
These guys are hard to beat for fancy wood grips.
http://www.highfiguregrips.com/
Amazing site!
So what did you order SG?
Post by: Chako on August 18, 2015, 04:00:19 PM
Well in the process of cleaning some 9 mm brass found on the range (2 visit pick up). Thank you local police force and folks who don't roll their own ammo. At this rate, I may never have to buy brass again.
This is several hours in the rotary tumbler being attacked by corn bits.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9061small_zpsoezr4voj.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9061small_zpsoezr4voj.jpg.html)
Next step, my sonic cleaner full of Lyman Turbo Case Clean.
Post by: SAK Guy on August 18, 2015, 04:34:09 PM
These guys are hard to beat for fancy wood grips.
http://www.highfiguregrips.com/
Amazing site!
So what did you order SG?
Nothing, I'm fixed for grips in fact have more grips than guns now..... :facepalm:
Chako, I like 'em fine! :tu:
I'd put stag on mine if I could afford it but I reckon these will do..... :D
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on August 18, 2015, 04:54:55 PM
These guys are hard to beat for fancy wood grips.
http://www.highfiguregrips.com/
Amazing site!
So what did you order SG?
Nothing, I'm fixed for grips in fact have more grips than guns now..... :facepalm:
Chako, I like 'em fine! :tu:
I'd put stag on mine if I could afford it but I reckon these will do..... :D
Gold Cup SG?
Post by: SAK Guy on August 18, 2015, 05:29:08 PM
These guys are hard to beat for fancy wood grips.
http://www.highfiguregrips.com/
Amazing site!
So what did you order SG?
Nothing, I'm fixed for grips in fact have more grips than guns now..... :facepalm:
Chako, I like 'em fine! :tu:
I'd put stag on mine if I could afford it but I reckon these will do..... :D
Gold Cup SG?
Nah, I stupidly sold that! ( :bnghd: ) Just a very early Series 80 that's a twin to a Series 70. Only diffs are a lowered ejection port and the firing pin safety. I swapped out the collet bushing for a Brown Precision solid one and bought the conversion kit to return it to a Series 70 firing pin config.
I got rid of my GC because I kept walking out the Colt Elliason rear sight pin shooting hardball at the combat matches.....went with a fixed sight model.
Post by: ironraven on August 19, 2015, 05:09:20 AM
So, I don't normally comment in this thread, and I don't normally shill, but I got a gadgety bit in the mail today. http://www.mygtul.com/product/gtul-9mm40sw
I have small hands and shorter than proportional thumbs. As a result, it's hard for me get enough squeeze on a magazine body to clean it, and I have damaged a magazine to the point where all I could was salvage the baseplate, follower and spring after squeezing too hard with channel locks. Normally, getting a baseplate off is a three, four minute streak of swearing and grunting. This widget let me pull a magazine apart in under a minute, without swearing, and it isn't one of my half worn out KCIs but an almost brand new, loaded and fired twice OEM magazine I picked up last week. Seriously a better use of the money than a box of plinking ammo if you own a Glock.
Post by: Chako on August 19, 2015, 01:04:33 PM
Edit. Yay! Looks like the 1911 is now on its way. Just got confirmation from Canada Post that it is in transit.
Post by: Chako on August 21, 2015, 01:12:07 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on August 21, 2015, 02:55:00 AM
Interesting. I didn't know they made an item like that. My M&P magazines come apart very easily. Just press the center button with something long like your grip retention rod, and slide the base plate out of the way meanwhile being carful to catch the spring and sub assembly before they fly out across the room. Yeah, my first disassembly was somewhat entertaining. :D
+1
Maybe Glock magazines are assembled differently, but on most of my mags depressing a pin in a hole on the baseplate allows the baseplate to slide right off. A small screwdriver (or sometimes a small cleaning rod) is all that's needed. Reassembly can sometimes be tricky, with the magazine spring refusing to cooperate. The major thing though is to make sure you've reinstalled the follower correctly.
1911 mags can also be disassembled, though the process is substantially different and somewhat tricky. Just make sure you don't mess with the feed lips.
Post by: SAK Guy on August 21, 2015, 03:13:13 AM
Interesting. I didn't know they made an item like that. My M&P magazines come apart very easily. Just press the center button with something long like your grip retention rod, and slide the base plate out of the way meanwhile being carful to catch the spring and sub assembly before they fly out across the room. Yeah, my first disassembly was somewhat entertaining. :D
+1
Maybe Glock magazines are assembled differently, but on most of my mags depressing a pin in a hole on the baseplate allows the baseplate to slide right off. A small screwdriver (or sometimes a small cleaning rod) is all that's needed. Reassembly can sometimes be tricky, with the magazine spring refusing to cooperate. The major thing though is to make sure you've reinstalled the follower correctly.
1911 mags can also be disassembled, though the process is substantially different and somewhat tricky. Just make sure you don't mess with the feed lips.
+100
Post by: ColoSwiss on August 21, 2015, 03:42:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGPqUqjeTSY
Post by: buck on August 21, 2015, 03:33:09 PM
Looking for a replacement magazine revealed they were rare and shockingly expensive in .22 but just the opposite for .25. I bought the .25 TPH magazine (and a spare) and cannibalized its baseplate onto my .22 magazine and now all is again well.
This Walther TPH .22 is always in my back pocket when in the boonies such as dove hunting. I can carry a bunch of ammo and could use it for signaling (I'm somewhat disabled) or punching cans if the hunt is a bust and I'm bored.
Post by: SAK Guy on August 21, 2015, 11:57:41 PM
I have a Walther TPH in .22LR that uses similarly designed magazines that rely on a plastic lip hanging onto the base. After years of intermittent back pocket carry the plastic lip crumbled off rendering it a single shot. Poor design if you ask me.
Looking for a replacement magazine revealed they were rare and shockingly expensive in .22 but just the opposite for .25. I bought the .25 TPH magazine (and a spare) and cannibalized its baseplate onto my .22 magazine and now all is again well.
This Walther TPH .22 is always in my back pocket when in the boonies such as dove hunting. I can carry a bunch of ammo and could use it for signaling (I'm somewhat disabled) or punching cans if the hunt is a bust and I'm bored.
My Beretta 21 had a similar role. Snake gun these days. :tu:
Post by: kirk13 on August 22, 2015, 12:00:21 AM
I have a Walther TPH in .22LR that uses similarly designed magazines that rely on a plastic lip hanging onto the base. After years of intermittent back pocket carry the plastic lip crumbled off rendering it a single shot. Poor design if you ask me.
Looking for a replacement magazine revealed they were rare and shockingly expensive in .22 but just the opposite for .25. I bought the .25 TPH magazine (and a spare) and cannibalized its baseplate onto my .22 magazine and now all is again well.
This Walther TPH .22 is always in my back pocket when in the boonies such as dove hunting. I can carry a bunch of ammo and could use it for signaling (I'm somewhat disabled) or punching cans if the hunt is a bust and I'm bored.
My Beretta 21 had a similar role. Snake gun these days. :tu:
Very James Bond of you! Does it have the tip up barrel?
Post by: SAK Guy on August 22, 2015, 12:42:06 AM
I have a Walther TPH in .22LR that uses similarly designed magazines that rely on a plastic lip hanging onto the base. After years of intermittent back pocket carry the plastic lip crumbled off rendering it a single shot. Poor design if you ask me.
Looking for a replacement magazine revealed they were rare and shockingly expensive in .22 but just the opposite for .25. I bought the .25 TPH magazine (and a spare) and cannibalized its baseplate onto my .22 magazine and now all is again well.
This Walther TPH .22 is always in my back pocket when in the boonies such as dove hunting. I can carry a bunch of ammo and could use it for signaling (I'm somewhat disabled) or punching cans if the hunt is a bust and I'm bored.
My Beretta 21 had a similar role. Snake gun these days. :tu:
Very James Bond of you! Does it have the tip up barrel?
:salute: But of course!!! 8)
Post by: buck on August 22, 2015, 10:56:14 AM
I couldn't barely see the teeny sights and therefore couldn't hit dodo with it.
Post by: SAK Guy on August 22, 2015, 03:47:14 PM
I had a nickel Beretta model 21 in the 80's. I remember killing a water moccasin on the road bridge onto our salt marsh island where we hunted ducks back then. I used CCI snake shot and it did the job though it would not cycle the next round which was ok for that gun with the tip up barrel.
I couldn't barely see the teeny sights and therefore couldn't hit dodo with it.
Their recoil spring is pretty heavy...mine won't cycle snake shot either which is probably normal. My 21 sights are exactly on at about 3 feet which is perfect for snakes...I have to sit the whole front blade in the rear notch to hit out at about 10 yards. Had this one about 25 years. my Ex has a Mod 20 in 25ACP that I got her back in the early 80's. Never a problem with either one. My MIL's Sterling 25 cracked a plastic mag baseplate about 15 years ago....I was able to find one online and replace it for her.
Post by: Chako on August 23, 2015, 08:57:22 PM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9162small_zpsuube23iq.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9162small_zpsuube23iq.jpg.html)
Seeing that today was my 3rd IPSC competition, I also had my M&P 9mm out as well.
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Post by: Chako on August 23, 2015, 09:13:36 PM
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(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9171small_zpscrn7pyfv.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9171small_zpscrn7pyfv.jpg.html)
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(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9183small_zpspyjhuxr9.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9183small_zpspyjhuxr9.jpg.html)
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(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9190small_zps8xmpjwbz.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9190small_zps8xmpjwbz.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9191small_zpsvyvovhsj.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9191small_zpsvyvovhsj.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9197small_zpsw7d8o3ao.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9197small_zpsw7d8o3ao.jpg.html)
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Post by: Chako on August 23, 2015, 09:32:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60cSjbtpKJE
Post by: Chako on August 23, 2015, 09:47:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sA57DsCoco
Post by: Chako on August 24, 2015, 09:12:14 PM
It came with a 7 and 8 round magazine. I assumed they were both going to be 7 round mags. I also got 2 7 round Kimbers. In this photo, the 7 rounder is a Kimber. The Norinco is identical except for the 45 ACP stamping on the side, and the base palate saying Kimber.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9219small_zpscdgwmp0w.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9219small_zpscdgwmp0w.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9218small_zpssasmpi1m.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9218small_zpssasmpi1m.jpg.html)
:woohoo:
Tomorrow, I have to figure out how to take it apart and clean it well.
Post by: captain spaulding on August 25, 2015, 12:55:37 AM
Congrats!
Post by: Chako on August 25, 2015, 03:45:34 AM
Anyhow, I do have another holster on tap from eBay. Here are my current 6 mags and their Uncle Mike mag carriers.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9220small_zpslsejruk1.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9220small_zpslsejruk1.jpg.html)
Post by: Gareth on August 25, 2015, 12:32:22 PM
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on August 25, 2015, 08:45:11 PM
Sent from my K013 using Tapatalk
Post by: Chako on August 26, 2015, 05:22:49 AM
Post by: Smaug on August 26, 2015, 05:32:50 AM
S&W 19, .357 Magnum:(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/jzorns/Guns/93813a8b.jpg) (http://s134.photobucket.com/user/jzorns/media/Guns/93813a8b.jpg.html)
CZ-82, an ex-Czech police pistol in 9 mm Mak:
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/jzorns/Guns/5ede6436.jpg) (http://s134.photobucket.com/user/jzorns/media/Guns/5ede6436.jpg.html)
Marlin 60, in .22LR:
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/jzorns/Guns/ccd60288.jpg) (http://s134.photobucket.com/user/jzorns/media/Guns/ccd60288.jpg.html)
S&W 625, in .45ACP:
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/jzorns/Guns/b215b084.jpg) (http://s134.photobucket.com/user/jzorns/media/Guns/b215b084.jpg.html)
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/jzorns/Guns/fecd8db0.jpg) (http://s134.photobucket.com/user/jzorns/media/Guns/fecd8db0.jpg.html)
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/jzorns/Guns/a8cba8d3.jpg) (http://s134.photobucket.com/user/jzorns/media/Guns/a8cba8d3.jpg.html)
Rugby SP-101, in .357 Magnum, with laser grips:
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/jzorns/Guns/96e2335d.jpg) (http://s134.photobucket.com/user/jzorns/media/Guns/96e2335d.jpg.html)
Ruger Mk. II Target:
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/jzorns/Guns/6eb59e92.jpg) (http://s134.photobucket.com/user/jzorns/media/Guns/6eb59e92.jpg.html)
Ruger Redhawk, in .44 Magnum:
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/jzorns/Guns/IMGP3224s.jpg) (http://s134.photobucket.com/user/jzorns/media/Guns/IMGP3224s.jpg.html)
Remington 788, in 6mm Remington:
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/jzorns/Guns/IMGP3215.jpg) (http://s134.photobucket.com/user/jzorns/media/Guns/IMGP3215.jpg.html)
Steven 12 ga. pump shotgun, from the early 20th century. This one put rabbits on the table for my family, back in the 1930s:
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/jzorns/Guns/StevensShotgun6.jpg) (http://s134.photobucket.com/user/jzorns/media/Guns/StevensShotgun6.jpg.html)
Charles Daly Hi-Power, in 9 mm Luger:
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/jzorns/Guns/HiPowerHogue800_2.jpg) (http://s134.photobucket.com/user/jzorns/media/Guns/HiPowerHogue800_2.jpg.html)
Ruger 77/22, in 22LR:
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/jzorns/Guns/Ruger77_22_2.jpg) (http://s134.photobucket.com/user/jzorns/media/Guns/Ruger77_22_2.jpg.html)
Post by: Chako on August 26, 2015, 05:39:39 AM
Post by: MadPlumbarian on August 26, 2015, 07:02:46 AM
JR
Post by: Gareth on August 26, 2015, 11:41:06 AM
Post by: Chako on August 26, 2015, 02:06:40 PM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9221small_zpswm7bv0hv.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9221small_zpswm7bv0hv.jpg.html)
Armed with a pictorial guide I commenced my dissasembly...
First have to turn the barrel bushing clockwise 90 degrees. Now I first attempted to use a pair of tweezers to push down on the spring but that didn't work. I then attempted to use the flat part of the handle to push down and give me enough clearance to turn the bushing. That worked perfectly. I was also thinking maybe next time, I can take out my specialized 1911 multi-tool from the collection and give that a whirl. Anyways, continuing to apply downward pressure, gently pull up until the spring isn't fighting you back.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9223small_zps9phwffk0.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9223small_zps9phwffk0.jpg.html)
Now with the spring removed, it is a matter of racking the slide until you get to a small dis-assembly notch. This allows you to pull out the slide lock pin assembly. Now with that off, you can rack the slide until it is completely off. Now flip the slide over, and remove the spring base after moving the bushing the other way to remove that part, and the barrel. Now done field stripping the handgun for cleaning.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9225small_zpsazcwpu7f.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9225small_zpsazcwpu7f.jpg.html)
There was a lot of oil...but nothing like my SKS full of cosmoline. Now that was a mess! All I did was gently wipe down the interior of excess oil. I also ran the brush through the barrel and made sure there wasn't any excess oil inside the barrel.
Now, I have read whatever I could about Norinco 1911s, and the common grip is that the interior of the slide etc is excessively rough. I was prepared to see something hacked away once I opened it up, but was pleasantly surprised at the interior. It doesn't appear to be all that bad. Mind you, maybe folks are prone to exaggerations online.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9226small_zpssccyt46v.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9226small_zpssccyt46v.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9227small_zpso6pwcj0o.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9227small_zpso6pwcj0o.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9228small_zpsqrw740th.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9228small_zpsqrw740th.jpg.html)
It isn't as smooth as it could be, but nowhere near as bad as I was led to believe after reading a few submissions in various online forums.
Here is the extended mag release.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9229small_zpsjhwfassk.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9229small_zpsjhwfassk.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9230small_zpsytpzwttt.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9230small_zpsytpzwttt.jpg.html)
And a shot showing the beaver tail, hammer, and rear of the slide.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9232small_zpscltujf4q.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9232small_zpscltujf4q.jpg.html)
Post by: buck on August 26, 2015, 02:09:21 PM
Post by: Chako on August 26, 2015, 03:34:06 PM
So here is my question. Is there a dimensional difference between a 1911 and a 1911a1? Here is a photo showing both my Wincherster BB 1911 and the Norinco 1911a1.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9235small_zpscpeyoqwi.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9235small_zpscpeyoqwi.jpg.html)
You can see that the slide is deeper on the Norinco. Also the gun is a little wider on average compared to the very thin BB 1911. Whatever my fitment issues are, it just won't fit into the BladeTech Total Eclipse. Talk about that bad luck streak again.
Post by: SAK Guy on August 26, 2015, 04:13:00 PM
Post by: Chako on August 26, 2015, 04:20:42 PM
This should not be an issue starting September 2nd when the ATT restrictions will be loosened.
Post by: SAK Guy on August 26, 2015, 04:41:35 PM
That makes sense. I just assumed they would all fit. Ah well...going down to the local gun shop to see if something will fit. Problem being, i can't just take it down there for a fitment...as I would have to apply for an ATT. I can take the handgun back and forth to my home and range however..sigh. :facepalm:
This should not be an issue starting September 2nd when the ATT restrictions will be loosened.
Usually, (in the past anyway) holster fit problems involve the higher, wider sights on the customs.
For example, look at my pistol......
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,53984.msg1139202.html#msg1139202
Those are std 1911A1 sites....the new ones are a bit taller but yours are adjustable combat sights and are much larger.
Post by: Chako on August 26, 2015, 05:10:42 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on August 26, 2015, 05:47:57 PM
Post by: Chako on August 26, 2015, 06:02:31 PM
Post by: Chako on August 27, 2015, 01:58:56 AM
Post by: matzesu on August 27, 2015, 02:53:26 AM
I was not bad in building kinder surprise egs toys (something which is forbidden in the US, something which confuse me a bit: guns arend a problem, but toys in shokolade are very evil in good old america..)
Post by: Chako on August 27, 2015, 03:30:31 AM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9245small_zpsdj4hg2zy.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9245small_zpsdj4hg2zy.jpg.html)
Then I made some adjustments and I was mostly there.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9246small_zpsrgmpqahy.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9246small_zpsrgmpqahy.jpg.html)
All in all, I am strongly tempted to compete in IPSC with the 1911. I did buy a BlackHawk Serpa CQC Concealment holster that fits.
Oh forgot to say, a 45 makes nice holes. :D
Post by: ColoSwiss on August 27, 2015, 05:29:49 AM
That used to be Army SOP, but I can't find any current mention of it, let alone a photo. The 1911 was designed to be detail stripped down to its last part using only a screwdriver.
Post by: SAK Guy on August 27, 2015, 05:45:28 AM
On 1911 disassembly, use the extended toe on the base of the magazine to depress the spring guide before attempting to turn the barrel bushing.
That used to be Army SOP, but I can't find any current mention of it, let alone a photo. The 1911 was designed to be detail stripped down to its last part using only a screwdriver.
Don't you mean "field stripped"? You need a punch to take off the mainspring housing and to push out hammer/sear pins.
Post by: ColoSwiss on August 27, 2015, 07:17:06 AM
On 1911 disassembly, use the extended toe on the base of the magazine to depress the spring guide before attempting to turn the barrel bushing.
That used to be Army SOP, but I can't find any current mention of it, let alone a photo. The 1911 was designed to be detail stripped down to its last part using only a screwdriver.
Don't you mean "field stripped"? You need a punch to take off the mainspring housing and to push out hammer/sear pins.
No, 'detail strip'. Here's a demo film that uses an empty cartridge case to remove the grip screws (instead of a screwdriver), and no other tools. Instead you use parts from the pistol to remove other parts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9HhqeTou70
Post by: SAK Guy on August 27, 2015, 07:32:36 AM
I stand corrected but will add that brand new Colt pistol pins are not that easy to push out and since I've never owned a pistol that old, was unaware that this could be done. :salute:
Post by: ColoSwiss on August 27, 2015, 07:39:19 AM
Never underestimate John Browning. :salute:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on August 27, 2015, 03:33:23 PM
Everything worked very well.
Don't hear that to often from Chako when it comes to firearms.
Post by: Smaug on August 27, 2015, 09:49:53 PM
Those are very nice Smaug. I think my next purchase down the road will be a 357 magnum revolver. :tu:
If you handload, (and you should, if it's legal up there) a revolver is wonderful. No need to run around collecting brass.
Also, if you handload, get yourself a 44 Magnum or 45 Colt instead of 357 with the longer barrel. For target shooting, you can load them light, and they only kick about the same as a 38 Special, but with nice big holes.
When you load them up to full magnum potential, they're capable of taking bigger game. (which you have plenty of, up north!)
Lastly, there are some sweet lever action rifles available in both of those old calibers, which boost velocities by 400 fps, compared to from a long revolver barrel. If you have a 240 gr. bullet going around 1900 fps that is a great big game load out to about 100 yards. (or meters)
I shoot about one box of magnums for every 5 boxes of "light specials."
Post by: Chako on August 28, 2015, 03:40:23 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on August 28, 2015, 04:05:14 AM
I only have the capability of hand loading 9mm right now. I plan to buy another Dillon Square Deal B down the road and set it up for 45 APC. I do have a Single Action Army in 45 Colt...and I would love to be able to hand load those as well. I have collected all my brass so far.
Just buy another cylinder in 45ACP to fit your SA revolver.......one less caliber to load for.
Post by: SAK Guy on August 28, 2015, 04:07:59 AM
Those are very nice Smaug. I think my next purchase down the road will be a 357 magnum revolver. :tu:
If you handload, (and you should, if it's legal up there) a revolver is wonderful. No need to run around collecting brass.
Also, if you handload, get yourself a 44 Magnum or 45 Colt instead of 357 with the longer barrel. For target shooting, you can load them light, and they only kick about the same as a 38 Special, but with nice big holes.
When you load them up to full magnum potential, they're capable of taking bigger game. (which you have plenty of, up north!)
Lastly, there are some sweet lever action rifles available in both of those old calibers, which boost velocities by 400 fps, compared to from a long revolver barrel. If you have a 240 gr. bullet going around 1900 fps that is a great big game load out to about 100 yards. (or meters)
I shoot about one box of magnums for every 5 boxes of "light specials."
I just bought another couple of boxes of cowboy loaded 44 Specials for my Winchester Trapper. :tu:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on August 28, 2015, 04:33:59 PM
This reminds me I still need a SA Revolver in my collection. Something that rhymes with booger I think.
Post by: buck on August 30, 2015, 02:39:22 PM
I only have the capability of hand loading 9mm right now. I plan to buy another Dillon Square Deal B down the road and set it up for 45 APC. I do have a Single Action Army in 45 Colt...and I would love to be able to hand load those as well. I have collected all my brass so far.
Just buy another cylinder in 45ACP to fit your SA revolver.......one less caliber to load for.
Like this birdshead Vaquero? Mine is 45ACP but they also make 45Colt and dual cylinder. It has some recoil but you can always shoot light target ACP ammo (or 45 Schofield in the other cylinder which is akin to 44 Special or Russian).
I think they also make one in 22LR/22Mag.
(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z398/nathanwmccall/IMG_0307.jpg)
Post by: SAK Guy on August 30, 2015, 03:12:36 PM
I only have the capability of hand loading 9mm right now. I plan to buy another Dillon Square Deal B down the road and set it up for 45 APC. I do have a Single Action Army in 45 Colt...and I would love to be able to hand load those as well. I have collected all my brass so far.
Just buy another cylinder in 45ACP to fit your SA revolver.......one less caliber to load for.
Like this birdshead Vaquero? Mine is 45ACP but they also make 45Colt and dual cylinder. It has some recoil but you can always shoot light target ACP ammo (or 45 Schofield in the other cylinder which is akin to 44 Special or Russian).
I think they also make one in 22LR/22Mag.
(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z398/nathanwmccall/IMG_0307.jpg)
+1!!! I have a couple in 22lr/22mag. Fine revolvers. A 45ACP sixgun is on my want list.
Post by: Chako on September 07, 2015, 02:01:20 AM
This works very nicely.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9521small_zpsbj4cqyv7.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9521small_zpsbj4cqyv7.jpg.html)
In fact, it places the light end switch within easy reach of my right hand.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9523small_zpsfaedzzm4.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9523small_zpsfaedzzm4.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9524small_zps8ryeipzx.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9524small_zps8ryeipzx.jpg.html)
And here is the 14" Hatsan and the Savage Axis II 30.06. I have taken the Hatsan out several times now to the range, and I love this little shotgun. It eats everything I have given it so far. :tu:
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9522small_zpsikjofcsx.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9522small_zpsikjofcsx.jpg.html)
Post by: SAK Guy on September 07, 2015, 02:36:28 AM
Post by: David on September 07, 2015, 10:00:16 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on September 07, 2015, 11:01:36 PM
My favorite SA. Ruger Bisley 45 Colt. John Linebaugh did the mod's to it. You can get a 325 grain bullet 1200+ with a health dose of H110. That aint Casull level but it aint cowbot action loads either. :D
Love that!!!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Hope to get something like that in 45ACP!!!
Post by: Chako on September 09, 2015, 03:10:21 AM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9527small_zpsdydcgx0o.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9527small_zpsdydcgx0o.jpg.html)
Post by: captain spaulding on September 09, 2015, 03:21:12 AM
Post by: Chako on September 09, 2015, 03:37:00 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on September 09, 2015, 04:11:54 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on September 09, 2015, 04:48:16 AM
Well after 4 months wait, I finally got my IPSC Black Badge in the mail. Now it feels official.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9527small_zpsdydcgx0o.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9527small_zpsdydcgx0o.jpg.html)
Its official now, you are a pro.
Well sorta. :pok:
Post by: Chako on September 12, 2015, 12:57:47 AM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9535small_zpsirqkqm4f.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9535small_zpsirqkqm4f.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9536small_zpsyslvyyp0.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9536small_zpsyslvyyp0.jpg.html)
I think I may use this in the next IPSC competition this Sunday.
Post by: captain spaulding on September 12, 2015, 12:59:37 AM
Post by: Aloha on September 12, 2015, 01:03:36 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on September 12, 2015, 01:09:00 AM
Those grips look great!
+100!!!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 12, 2015, 01:40:23 AM
It is a Brazilian made Boito over under 12 guage, which is not really considered to be a very high quality gun according to the guys over at shotgunworld.com, but I know my father has run several hundred, if not thousands of rounds through this gun in some pretty harsh environments. He bought it new over 30 years ago and there's no way I could count the number of birds he has gotten with it.
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=53984.0;attach=202575;image)
I've fired this gun and it is remarkably tight even after all of these years. I have read about poor heat treats and cracked barrels, but there is no sign of any problems with this gun, and it has been fired many times in sub zero temperatures.
At any rate, even if it was as bad as the reports all seem to think it is, it would still be worth more to me than any other having come from my father!
Def
Post by: SAK Guy on September 12, 2015, 01:46:54 AM
Post by: Chako on September 12, 2015, 01:49:55 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 12, 2015, 01:56:06 AM
That is a beauty Def!!!!! It's field tested!!!! That's the greatest recommendation on quality!!!!
That's my thinking with this as well.
When I was a kid I remember my father coming home from hunting with as many geese as he could carry. He always went out early and it was cold. He was back home in time for lunch and mentioned that his trigger finger seemed a bit sore. As the afternoon wore on it started to hurt him more as he thawed out until supper time when he went to the hospital and found out he had broken it when this shotgun kicked. He was so cold he hadn't noticed!
I'd think that if the barrel was going to have issues being brittle it would have had issues on days like that.
Going to Sudbury tomorrow...so that means I will be probably close to you at some point in my drive. Nice shotgun Def. :tu:
I'll be at the airport at 11 to pick up Megan if you want to meet up!
Def
Post by: Chako on September 12, 2015, 02:04:22 AM
Post by: Chako on September 12, 2015, 02:20:53 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 12, 2015, 03:35:16 AM
Def
Post by: ColoSwiss on September 12, 2015, 03:47:38 AM
Just in the fancy grips. Me like a lot.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9535small_zpsirqkqm4f.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9535small_zpsirqkqm4f.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9536small_zpsyslvyyp0.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9536small_zpsyslvyyp0.jpg.html)
I think I may use this in the next IPSC competition this Sunday.
Seem to recall something about pearl handles and a New Orleans pimp… :pok:
Actually they look pretty sharp on that stainless gun. :tu:
Post by: buck on September 12, 2015, 02:31:49 PM
I went dove hunting with my Benelli SuperSport this year. It is a very reliable automatic if you don't add weight to it like I tried to do. I recommend the standard model for better balance out of the box (and its less expensive). I had my limit of 15 by 9:00AM on opening day, all but 2 were whitewings.
I also have a 20 guage and they even make a 28 but for these high flying whitewings where I hunt you really need a 12 and a tight choke.
I know a guy who mistakenly used Hoppe's #9 on his and it ate the nickel coating out of his action.
Post by: Chako on September 13, 2015, 03:38:57 AM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9540small_zpsv5viabvh.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9540small_zpsv5viabvh.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9542small_zpsvezbw9g1.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9542small_zpsvezbw9g1.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9544small_zpscjulmsci.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9544small_zpscjulmsci.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9545small_zpsuctn3gvp.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9545small_zpsuctn3gvp.jpg.html)
I know I have talked about black powder pistols in the past, but I have heard a lot about chain firing and such. Thought getting into a rifle would be more of a better entry point into the world of black powder. I must say, when I bought the rifle from Canadian Tire, they had nothing to support it. Lucky for me, there is also another place in Sudbury called Ramakko's, and they had everything I needed to get started. Little did I know how much advanced black powder rifles have gotten. Instead of lead balls, patches, and black powder, they now use Pyrodex charges, conical sabots, and shot gun primers. At least I still get to ram everything in the barrel...so that should give me a sense that I am shooting a more primitive form of firearm...even though it appears to be fairly advanced.
Post by: SAK Guy on September 13, 2015, 03:49:38 AM
Post by: Chako on September 13, 2015, 04:01:15 AM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9548small_zps0f5ihmmp.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9548small_zps0f5ihmmp.jpg.html)
So if you need 100 grains, you use 2 charges. Makes the whole thing rather simpler, and probably safer.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9550small_zpswhiae8oq.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9550small_zpswhiae8oq.jpg.html)
Post by: SAK Guy on September 13, 2015, 04:18:49 AM
Post by: toolguy on September 13, 2015, 05:02:35 AM
It's expensive but once you use it you will never go back to black powder,Pyrodex,Shockey's Gold,American Pioneer,White Hots,Triple Seven or any other black powder substitute.
http://www.blackhorn209.com/
Post by: campussecurity on September 13, 2015, 05:32:24 AM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/12/fb4a0e6c754f43d0294a4b63a27d407f.jpg)
Post by: Chako on September 13, 2015, 01:18:50 PM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9551small_zpsi5cejelc.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9551small_zpsi5cejelc.jpg.html)
I now have 7 - 8 round magazines, 1 - 10 round magazine, and 5 - 7 round magazines.
I am going to try and use this setup for an IPSC competition later today at the club.
Post by: campussecurity on September 14, 2015, 05:08:34 AM
Post by: David on September 14, 2015, 07:24:50 AM
Well after 4 months wait, I finally got my IPSC Black Badge in the mail. Now it feels official.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9527small_zpsdydcgx0o.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9527small_zpsdydcgx0o.jpg.html)
:tu: :)
Post by: Chako on September 14, 2015, 12:46:23 PM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on September 14, 2015, 02:26:39 PM
All did not go well at the competition yesterday. Midway through the course of fire, my whole front sight flew off never to be seen again. I had to shoot instinctively with no front sight thereafter. I am going to call the place of purchase and ask them what can be done...but that will have to wait for tomorrow as they are closed on Mondays.I think these big calibers take themselves apart, fortunately saw the pin holding the rear sight on my Ruger Blackhawk trying to escape and gave it some Lochtite.
:tu: on the case.....
Post by: buck on September 14, 2015, 02:57:02 PM
The best propellant for muzzle loaders is Blackhorn 209 made by Western Powders.I've been using this for the last five years and I use nothing else.I sold all of my other BP substitutes,including all of my Pyrodex pellets.
It's expensive but once you use it you will never go back to black powder,Pyrodex,Shockey's Gold,American Pioneer,White Hots,Triple Seven or any other black powder substitute.
http://www.blackhorn209.com/
What makes it so much better? From the website I gather is "low residue" and doesn't "require water for cleaning". So do you clean it like any other firearm?
I had a repro Navy Colt .36 long ago and hated the slow reload and cleaning hassle. I also had a repro Sharps that used paper cartridges. I much prefer modern cartridges in every way to black powder. My Henry repro is as "retro" as I like to go.
Post by: SAK Guy on September 14, 2015, 03:15:52 PM
All did not go well at the competition yesterday. Midway through the course of fire, my whole front sight flew off never to be seen again. I had to shoot instinctively with no front sight thereafter. I am going to call the place of purchase and ask them what can be done...but that will have to wait for tomorrow as they are closed on Mondays.
Probably an easy fix. Back in the old days, we used to put a several hundred rds through a new pistol to work the kinks out before it was put in service as a defensive pistol or into competition. I used to shoot a Colt Gold Cup in combat matches and the rear sight pin tried to walk out every match...replaced it with a piece of drill rod of a slightly larger diameter and it never moved again.
Chako buddy, you've had more bad luck with guns in a year than I have had in the last 40.
Post by: toolguy on September 14, 2015, 08:24:51 PM
The best propellant for muzzle loaders is Blackhorn 209 made by Western Powders.I've been using this for the last five years and I use nothing else.I sold all of my other BP substitutes,including all of my Pyrodex pellets.
It's expensive but once you use it you will never go back to black powder,Pyrodex,Shockey's Gold,American Pioneer,White Hots,Triple Seven or any other black powder substitute.
http://www.blackhorn209.com/
What makes it so much better? From the website I gather is "low residue" and doesn't "require water for cleaning". So do you clean it like any other firearm?
I had a repro Navy Colt .36 long ago and hated the slow reload and cleaning hassle. I also had a repro Sharps that used paper cartridges. I much prefer modern cartridges in every way to black powder. My Henry repro is as "retro" as I like to go.
There are many factors that make this powder far superior to any other PB substitute.Consistent velocities,dependable ignition in all weather conditions,almost no residue and easy clean up with conventional products are hallmarks of this powder.
I've fired 10 rounds without the need to clean between rounds and have consistently shot better groups when the right combination of powder charge,sabot and bullet were found.
I've been a black powder hunter since 1983 and this is undoubtedly the best advancement in PB shooting since the introduction of the modern muzzle loader.
Post by: David on September 14, 2015, 09:06:03 PM
All did not go well at the competition yesterday. Midway through the course of fire, my whole front sight flew off never to be seen again. I had to shoot instinctively with no front sight thereafter. I am going to call the place of purchase and ask them what can be done...but that will have to wait for tomorrow as they are closed on Mondays.
Sorry to hear about your front sight. Did it break or work loose in the dovetail. Kind of mess's up that whole front sight, press technique. Point shooting is fun but it dont win IPSC matches. :)
Post by: ColoSwiss on September 15, 2015, 12:16:37 AM
All did not go well at the competition yesterday. Midway through the course of fire, my whole front sight flew off never to be seen again. I had to shoot instinctively with no front sight thereafter. I am going to call the place of purchase and ask them what can be done...but that will have to wait for tomorrow as they are closed on Mondays.
If it wasn't for bad luck, you wouldn't have any luck at all. :ahhh
Post by: Chako on September 15, 2015, 12:59:15 AM
Ah well...going to call the the place tomorrow and see what can be done. :think:
Post by: buck on September 15, 2015, 02:47:35 PM
The best propellant for muzzle loaders is Blackhorn 209 made by Western Powders.I've been using this for the last five years and I use nothing else.I sold all of my other BP substitutes,including all of my Pyrodex pellets.
It's expensive but once you use it you will never go back to black powder,Pyrodex,Shockey's Gold,American Pioneer,White Hots,Triple Seven or any other black powder substitute.
http://www.blackhorn209.com/
What makes it so much better? From the website I gather is "low residue" and doesn't "require water for cleaning". So do you clean it like any other firearm?
I had a repro Navy Colt .36 long ago and hated the slow reload and cleaning hassle. I also had a repro Sharps that used paper cartridges. I much prefer modern cartridges in every way to black powder. My Henry repro is as "retro" as I like to go.
There are many factors that make this powder far superior to any other PB substitute.Consistent velocities,dependable ignition in all weather conditions,almost no residue and easy clean up with conventional products are hallmarks of this powder.
I've fired 10 rounds without the need to clean between rounds and have consistently shot better groups when the right combination of powder charge,sabot and bullet were found.
I've been a black powder hunter since 1983 and this is undoubtedly the best advancement in PB shooting since the introduction of the modern muzzle loader.
Do you still get the smoke? One of the criticisms of the S&W Schofield topbreaks was that it chokes up quick with black powder fouling. But for cowboy action shooting the smoke is more realistic and more fun.
Post by: SAK Guy on September 15, 2015, 04:05:34 PM
Post by: toolguy on September 15, 2015, 08:20:04 PM
Do you still get the smoke? One of the criticisms of the S&W Schofield topbreaks was that it chokes up quick with black powder fouling. But for cowboy action shooting the smoke is more realistic and more fun.
Yes,smoke is a by-product of the combustion of this powder.It is after all,a black powder substitute and not a smokeless powder.
It would not work well for cowboy action shooting because it is designed to be detonated by a 209M primer.
Be safe shooting and enjoy our constitutional right to keep and bear arms.
Post by: Chako on September 16, 2015, 12:25:54 AM
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Post by: Chako on September 16, 2015, 01:21:54 AM
At least, once I get it sorted, I should be good. :tu:
Post by: jzmtl on September 16, 2015, 02:06:44 AM
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj630/jzmtl/Guns/2015091_zpsoxwixobk.jpg~original)
Post by: SAK Guy on September 16, 2015, 03:29:46 AM
YEE haw, that is all. :D
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj630/jzmtl/Guns/2015091_zpsoxwixobk.jpg~original)
:cheers: Those are awesome, I lost mine in the fire.
Post by: jzmtl on September 16, 2015, 06:34:06 AM
:cheers: Those are awesome, I lost mine in the fire.
It better be, for a .22 it sure cost an arm and leg. :P
Hopefully I will able to try it out this weekend.
Post by: SAK Guy on September 16, 2015, 07:13:17 AM
:cheers: Those are awesome, I lost mine in the fire.
It better be, for a .22 it sure cost an arm and leg. :P
Hopefully I will able to try it out this weekend.
The short throw lever, amazing accuracy and a size that an adult can shoot well makes a great package. If I had any sense, I'd get another.
Post by: buck on September 16, 2015, 02:12:51 PM
Hey, SAK guy. Why don't you replace your lost one with a new one with a maple stock? They're gorgeous! Especially if you like blondes.
(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b425/racer88_bucket/Gun%20Stuff/BrowningBL-22-0043_zps7e3c3f2d.jpg)
Post by: SAK Guy on September 16, 2015, 02:33:10 PM
You had to show me that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :facepalm:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on September 16, 2015, 03:37:28 PM
All did not go well at the competition yesterday. Midway through the course of fire, my whole front sight flew off never to be seen again. I had to shoot instinctively with no front sight thereafter. I am going to call the place of purchase and ask them what can be done...but that will have to wait for tomorrow as they are closed on Mondays.
Probably an easy fix. Back in the old days, we used to put a several hundred rds through a new pistol to work the kinks out before it was put in service as a defensive pistol or into competition. I used to shoot a Colt Gold Cup in combat matches and the rear sight pin tried to walk out every match...replaced it with a piece of drill rod of a slightly larger diameter and it never moved again.
Chako buddy, you've had more bad luck with guns in a year than I have had in the last 40.
I said the same thing to him a while back. Been shooting things for 25 years and ain't had a tenth of his issues.
Post by: rebel on September 16, 2015, 04:52:23 PM
I have one, love it.
Hey, SAK guy. Why don't you replace your lost one with a new one with a maple stock? They're gorgeous! Especially if you like blondes.
(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b425/racer88_bucket/Gun%20Stuff/BrowningBL-22-0043_zps7e3c3f2d.jpg)
That's a nice piece of wood!
Post by: rebel on September 16, 2015, 04:55:54 PM
I am finally going to use one of those aluminium tool boxes with the pick and pluck foam inserts. I got to thinking how I was going to carry my Norinco 1911A1 with all the various magazines I have recently purchased for it. Then it came to me a half hour ago...and here are the results.
We always hear how Canadians have no handguns and there you are looking very normal with a pistol and a bunch of magazines talking about a club shoot. Is it really that horrible to be a recreational shooter in Canada or is that just a myth to keep everybody from barging in?
Post by: jzmtl on September 16, 2015, 06:03:41 PM
I am finally going to use one of those aluminium tool boxes with the pick and pluck foam inserts. I got to thinking how I was going to carry my Norinco 1911A1 with all the various magazines I have recently purchased for it. Then it came to me a half hour ago...and here are the results.
We always hear how Canadians have no handguns and there you are looking very normal with a pistol and a bunch of magazines talking about a club shoot. Is it really that horrible to be a recreational shooter in Canada or is that just a myth to keep everybody from barging in?
If you belong to a formal club and shoot there only it's not too bad, but if you don't fit those criteria then it's absolutely pain in the butt. Basically every time you bring your pistol outside the house you will need to call the government for permission, which you probably will get in a few weeks.
Post by: rebel on September 16, 2015, 06:37:26 PM
Post by: jzmtl on September 16, 2015, 08:34:45 PM
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj630/jzmtl/Guns/bl22_zpsw4rsxrbf.jpg~original)
Post by: captain spaulding on September 16, 2015, 08:43:38 PM
I am finally going to use one of those aluminium tool boxes with the pick and pluck foam inserts. I got to thinking how I was going to carry my Norinco 1911A1 with all the various magazines I have recently purchased for it. Then it came to me a half hour ago...and here are the results.
We always hear how Canadians have no handguns and there you are looking very normal with a pistol and a bunch of magazines talking about a club shoot. Is it really that horrible to be a recreational shooter in Canada or is that just a myth to keep everybody from barging in?
If you belong to a formal club and shoot there only it's not too bad, but if you don't fit those criteria then it's absolutely pain in the butt. Basically every time you bring your pistol outside the house you will need to call the government for permission, which you probably will get in a few weeks.
Wow. Seems unfathomable to me.
Post by: kirk13 on September 16, 2015, 11:45:20 PM
Better photos. :D I just found out the FLD model means full line dealer, which means you have to sell all their crap like guns, knives, flashlights and clothes to be allowed to order these. Anyway I like it better than the regular BL22, the wood is finished in satin instead of high gloss, and the silver receiver goes well with the retro style.
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj630/jzmtl/Guns/bl22_zpsw4rsxrbf.jpg~original)
:drool:
Post by: Chako on September 17, 2015, 02:10:43 AM
Well yes and no. There are 3 classifications for firearms. Prohibitive, Restricted, and Non-restricted. Prohib are those real fun guns the Government doesn't want us owning, such as all automatics, short barreled handguns, etc. Restricted are those that we are allowed to have, but are not used for hunting purposes. To use one of these, you need to belong to a qualified gun club to shoot a restricted firearm. Restricted firearms are all handguns except for the real short ones, and a few firearms. My 9 mm High Point carbine fits into the restricted family, as do many AR 15 variants. Restricted firearms require an ATT (Authorization to transport). If you belong to a gun club, you get one from the club allowing you to bring your restricted firearms to and fro your home and the shooting range. If you wanted to move or whatever, you had to call the CFO (Chief Firearms officer) and they would issue you some paperwork that would allow you to move it there. This past September 02, a new law came into effect called "The Common Sense Gun Law" which eliminated a few restrictions on your ATT. Now you can go to get it repaired at a qualified gunsmith without having to call the CFO. The last is the non-restricted. These are mostly hunting rifles and shotguns. You don't need to call the CFO for permission to move them.
Frankly, the restrictions on the restricted class of firearms is largely a non issue with me. I wouldn't need to use my handguns anywhere else but at the gun range anyways. You can't hunt with any handguns in Canada anyhow. The ATT hasn't been much of an issue for me either, as I only need to get to my place of residence and the range anyways. It may sound overly governed, and it largely is, but the day to day stuff hasn't gotten in my way of enjoying the sport.
Post by: jzmtl on September 17, 2015, 05:39:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNtmbTh7J_s
Post by: captain spaulding on September 17, 2015, 06:14:48 AM
Holy crap, didn't think it was possible to shoot a lever gun this fast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNtmbTh7J_s
Its the AR-15 of its time. :tu:
Post by: buck on September 17, 2015, 03:08:28 PM
Do you still get the smoke? One of the criticisms of the S&W Schofield topbreaks was that it chokes up quick with black powder fouling. But for cowboy action shooting the smoke is more realistic and more fun.
Yes,smoke is a by-product of the combustion of this powder.It is after all,a black powder substitute and not a smokeless powder.
It would not work well for cowboy action shooting because it is designed to be detonated by a 209M primer.
Be safe shooting and enjoy our constitutional right to keep and bear arms.
Well that kills all the advantages then for me.
Post by: Gareth on September 17, 2015, 08:56:14 PM
Better photos. :D I just found out the FLD model means full line dealer, which means you have to sell all their crap like guns, knives, flashlights and clothes to be allowed to order these. Anyway I like it better than the regular BL22, the wood is finished in satin instead of high gloss, and the silver receiver goes well with the retro style.
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj630/jzmtl/Guns/bl22_zpsw4rsxrbf.jpg~original)
:drool:
:drool: indeed.
Post by: buck on September 19, 2015, 02:30:03 PM
I only have the capability of hand loading 9mm right now. I plan to buy another Dillon Square Deal B down the road and set it up for 45 APC. I do have a Single Action Army in 45 Colt...and I would love to be able to hand load those as well. I have collected all my brass so far.
Just buy another cylinder in 45ACP to fit your SA revolver.......one less caliber to load for.
Like this birdshead Vaquero? Mine is 45ACP but they also make 45Colt and dual cylinder. It has some recoil but you can always shoot light target ACP ammo (or 45 Schofield in the other cylinder which is akin to 44 Special or Russian).
I think they also make one in 22LR/22Mag.
(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z398/nathanwmccall/IMG_0307.jpg)
+1!!! I have a couple in 22lr/22mag. Fine revolvers. A 45ACP sixgun is on my want list.
Hey SAK guy, which .22 Ruger Birdshead do you have? The Bearcat Shopkeeper or the Single Six? How does it shoot/regulate to the sights?
(http://www.lipseysguns.com/post/file.axd?file=2013%2F1%2Fshop1.jpg)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/i50t2r.jpg)
Post by: SAK Guy on September 19, 2015, 04:06:11 PM
I only have the capability of hand loading 9mm right now. I plan to buy another Dillon Square Deal B down the road and set it up for 45 APC. I do have a Single Action Army in 45 Colt...and I would love to be able to hand load those as well. I have collected all my brass so far.
Just buy another cylinder in 45ACP to fit your SA revolver.......one less caliber to load for.
Like this birdshead Vaquero? Mine is 45ACP but they also make 45Colt and dual cylinder. It has some recoil but you can always shoot light target ACP ammo (or 45 Schofield in the other cylinder which is akin to 44 Special or Russian).
I think they also make one in 22LR/22Mag.
(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z398/nathanwmccall/IMG_0307.jpg)
+1!!! I have a couple in 22lr/22mag. Fine revolvers. A 45ACP sixgun is on my want list.
Hey SAK guy, which .22 Ruger Birdshead do you have? The Bearcat Shopkeeper or the Single Six? How does it shoot/regulate to the sights?
(http://www.lipseysguns.com/post/file.axd?file=2013%2F1%2Fshop1.jpg)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/i50t2r.jpg)
Very nice Buck!! I meant I had a couple Ruger 22's, Super Single Sixes. I had to buy an old over sized grip to use because my RA doesn't like skinny grips anymore.
Added: I have a S&W 650 and it regulates well at about 15 yards with CCI Maxi Mag ammo...
I had some 15 year old Winchesters in it before and thy shot low about 2 inches to the right.
Post by: ColoSwiss on September 19, 2015, 09:45:09 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on September 19, 2015, 09:46:51 PM
Post by: buck on September 19, 2015, 11:04:42 PM
HK USP Tactical 9mm with Victorinox Huntsman and Trekker.
Nice! I have a USP Expert. It looks like this but mine is 9mm.
(http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/cltactical/large/CLT-047.jpg)
Post by: SAK Guy on September 20, 2015, 12:14:40 AM
It's the 1911's for me. They're simple, robust and having shot 'em for for almost 40 years, familiar.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on September 20, 2015, 04:33:21 AM
You guys all have some nice firearms...so when things go bump in the night and it gets serious, which one is in your hand.
It's the 1911's for me. They're simple, robust and having shot 'em for for almost 40 years, familiar.
Excellent question and something I bet would make a great thread of its own.
Simple answer for me is my CZ P07. Excellent capacity and simple DA/SA operation. Doesn't hurt that it was the mule for the guys at Cajun Gun Works so the trigger is to die for. Pun intended.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on September 20, 2015, 04:36:16 AM
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150630_183101_342.jpg~original) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150630_183101_342.jpg.html)
Post by: SAK Guy on September 20, 2015, 05:53:23 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on September 20, 2015, 06:39:03 AM
HK USP Tactical 9mm with Victorinox Huntsman and Trekker.
Nice! I have a USP Expert. It looks like this but mine is 9mm.
(http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/cltactical/large/CLT-047.jpg)
Looks like the only difference is the extended barrel on mine. Not interested in mounting a surpressor, but very interested in the adjustable sights, and got it used for a decent price. Very accurate, feels right in my hand, and 100% reliable with most ammo (doesn't like aluminum case Blazer).
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on September 20, 2015, 06:51:30 AM
That's a nice one Harley!!!! :2tu:
Thanks.
By far the best defensive pistol I have ever used.
If I get some time I will put together a long answer version for the bump in the night question. The CZ is what I keep within arms reach at all times but if I have some warning or a chance to fight to the gun safe the response is much different. Involving a short barrel and suppressed AR, plate carrier etc etc.
Post by: David on September 20, 2015, 08:16:37 AM
That's a nice one Harley!!!! :2tu:
Thanks.
By far the best defensive pistol I have ever used.
If I get some time I will put together a long answer version for the bump in the night question. The CZ is what I keep within arms reach at all times but if I have some warning or a chance to fight to the gun safe the response is much different. Involving a short barrel and suppressed AR, plate carrier etc etc.
Looking forward to your longer resonse Harley. I'm sure it will be insightful and interesting! :)
Post by: Aloha on September 20, 2015, 08:44:46 AM
Post by: David on September 20, 2015, 09:23:05 AM
Post by: Chako on September 20, 2015, 02:05:10 PM
My response: I probably would never be able to unlock my gun room, unlock my gun cabinet, and unlock the trigger guard, and unlock my ammo cabinet...or unlock my gun room, unlock a gun case, and then unlock the trigger guard, and unlock my ammo cabinet, in time to make it useful...not to mention how illegal defending your home with a firearm might be. I have plenty of sharp and pointies if it really has to get down to that. I know a boar spear or a longsword would make a great deterent. :D
Post by: ColoSwiss on September 21, 2015, 01:19:34 AM
In IPSC you have to double tap every target. That double 45 would be hilarious to use on the field of fire. :rofl:
My response: I probably would never be able to unlock my gun room, unlock my gun cabinet, and unlock the trigger guard, and unlock my ammo cabinet...or unlock my gun room, unlock a gun case, and then unlock the trigger guard, and unlock my ammo cabinet, in time to make it useful...not to mention how illegal defending your home with a firearm might be. I have plenty of sharp and pointies if it really has to get down to that. I know a boar spear or a longsword would make a great deterent. :D
How about a halberd? An extremely effective weapon, which is why royal bodyguards regularly carried them.
Post by: Chako on September 21, 2015, 02:34:33 AM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9590small_zpsn5rzmaxx.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9590small_zpsn5rzmaxx.jpg.html)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on September 21, 2015, 02:37:02 AM
Post by: Chako on September 21, 2015, 02:46:45 AM
Besides, if that didn't get them to leave, I also have a few of these hanging around.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9592small_zpskatpwyug.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9592small_zpskatpwyug.jpg.html)
The other half of my sword collection is stored upstairs with all the machetes and other knives.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on September 21, 2015, 03:38:02 AM
Post by: jzmtl on September 21, 2015, 04:02:58 AM
Not sure how well a spear or halberd would work in a hallway. I do.like you thinking though.
A poker might actually works quite well in a straight hallway, you may only get one poke but there might be enough intimidation factor to make the other guy run first.
Post by: Chako on September 21, 2015, 04:20:45 AM
Post by: jzmtl on September 21, 2015, 07:09:11 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quP5blkfP_8
Post by: David on September 21, 2015, 08:08:44 AM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on September 21, 2015, 11:10:05 AM
In IPSC you have to double tap every target. That double 45 would be hilarious to use on the field of fire. :rofl:
My response: I probably would never be able to unlock my gun room, unlock my gun cabinet, and unlock the trigger guard, and unlock my ammo cabinet...or unlock my gun room, unlock a gun case, and then unlock the trigger guard, and unlock my ammo cabinet, in time to make it useful...not to mention how illegal defending your home with a firearm might be. I have plenty of sharp and pointies if it really has to get down to that. I know a boar spear or a longsword would make a great deterent. :D
.........and then you start thinking about these weapons being turned against yourself, you hide some and the rest ends up in the bedroom? :D
That's my story :rofl:
Post by: ColoSwiss on September 22, 2015, 04:03:57 AM
True...but I figure I could reach them 6+feet away with that giant pig sticker. I would hazard one look at the blade and they would run off quickly. I know I would.
Besides, if that didn't get them to leave, I also have a few of these hanging around.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9592small_zpskatpwyug.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9592small_zpskatpwyug.jpg.html)
The other half of my sword collection is stored upstairs with all the machetes and other knives.
The boar spear is impressive, but some idiot might try and grab the staff. One of the swords might be better, if someone tries to grab that they'll likely lose a couple of fingers.
Was into die-cast military vehicles at one time. Still have a few.
Post by: Etherealicer on September 22, 2015, 10:51:43 AM
Not sure how well a spear or halberd would work in a hallway. I do.like you thinking though.Spear should be fine, its design to fight in close ranks, halberds rather not as you use the back end for defense and the front end for maiming...
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on September 22, 2015, 03:24:38 PM
Not sure how well a spear or halberd would work in a hallway. I do.like you thinking though.Spear should be fine, its design to fight in close ranks, halberds rather not as you use the back end for defense and the front end for maiming...
I thought the same thing after I posted. So long as you can get set before the malcontent gets close the reach of the spear would be nice.
Post by: jzmtl on September 24, 2015, 04:11:32 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on September 24, 2015, 04:56:04 AM
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/Winchesters%20SAK%20EDC_zpsagumuuyt.jpg)
Post by: jzmtl on September 24, 2015, 05:14:27 AM
I have scopes on my 22's and they really add to the rifles IMO...the Winchester 22 Mag (shown below) is a fantastic turkey gun. My Dad used it (with a 4X Weaver) to drop turkeys out to 90+ yards. Back in the 80's, he shot at one out in the peanut field. The tom just raised up and looked...Dad thought he missed and fired again and the turkey fell over. When we cleaned it there were two pencil sized holes in it's chest, one inch apart. Apparently that tom was standing there dead on his feet when the 2nd shot came. I stepped it off at 93 yards. My father was a fine marksman with a rifle. That bird was a good eating too. :D
A lever action is just so fun for offhand plinking, I'll keep it scopeless for that purpose. :D Don't think I'll hunt anything other than paper and steel plate though, hard to get into it here unless you know the right people, pretty much everywhere is private land.
So far from just playing with it, the trigger on XT22 is pretty damn nice, I've already adjusted it to the lowest pull weight.
Post by: SAK Guy on September 24, 2015, 05:24:09 AM
I have scopes on my 22's and they really add to the rifles IMO...the Winchester 22 Mag (shown below) is a fantastic turkey gun. My Dad used it (with a 4X Weaver) to drop turkeys out to 90+ yards. Back in the 80's, he shot at one out in the peanut field. The tom just raised up and looked...Dad thought he missed and fired again and the turkey fell over. When we cleaned it there were two pencil sized holes in it's chest, one inch apart. Apparently that tom was standing there dead on his feet when the 2nd shot came. I stepped it off at 93 yards. My father was a fine marksman with a rifle. That bird was a good eating too. :D
A lever action is just so fun for offhand plinking, I'll keep it scopeless for that purpose. :D Don't think I'll hunt anything other than paper and steel plate though, hard to get into it here unless you know the right people, pretty much everywhere is private land.
So far from just playing with it, the trigger on XT22 is pretty damn nice, I've already adjusted it to the lowest pull weight.
That Winchester has sight through rings so you can use the irons if you want to.
Post by: Smitty44 on September 24, 2015, 06:12:18 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on September 24, 2015, 07:32:38 AM
SAK Guy your Winchester 9422 mag is just like mine,early model with plane stocks,and that is one of my favorite rifles,I have a Leupold 2 X 7 scope for squirrel head shots,but can still hit a iron gong at 100yrds with plane sights also. :salute:
They are remarkable rifles. It's the one I'd walk out with if I had to choose just one. I've shot Longs and Long Rifles through mine...you just have to cycle slowly to avoid hang ups.
About 3 years ago I trimmed a limb that was too close the electrical line (it touched the bottom of the line and rubbed against it in the wind)...it was about 3/4" in diameter and about 20 feet up. Didn't want to waste mags or LR's on it so dug out an old box of longs from the late 60's. It took about 15-20 shots to chew in half at the base and it fell free.
Post by: jzmtl on September 24, 2015, 08:49:57 AM
I've been searching if dry fire is okay for these rifles, the opinion is mixed to say the least. After inspecting the firing mechanisms though I've determined both the Browning and Marlin are designed to withstand dry fire and will not suffer any damage.
Post by: SAK Guy on September 24, 2015, 11:13:28 PM
Yeah I heard good things about the Winchester 9422, too bad it's discontinued.
I've been searching if dry fire is okay for these rifles, the opinion is mixed to say the least. After inspecting the firing mechanisms though I've determined both the Browning and Marlin are designed to withstand dry fire and will not suffer any damage.
A buddy brought me a Ruger Mark 1 22 Auto Pistol which was not firing...turns out he practiced dry firing so much that he had deformed the firing pin tip after repeated slamming into the chamber face. I filed off the deformation on the tip and he was back in business. I have always heard to never dry fire a rimfire. This was from gunsmiths back in my gun shop days. On my bolt action Marlin you can let the firing pin "down" (de-cock) for storage by depressing the trigger while closing the bolt.
Post by: jzmtl on September 25, 2015, 12:31:17 AM
Yeah I heard good things about the Winchester 9422, too bad it's discontinued.
I've been searching if dry fire is okay for these rifles, the opinion is mixed to say the least. After inspecting the firing mechanisms though I've determined both the Browning and Marlin are designed to withstand dry fire and will not suffer any damage.
A buddy brought me a Ruger Mark 1 22 Auto Pistol which was not firing...turns out he practiced dry firing so much that he had deformed the firing pin tip after repeated slamming into the chamber face. I filed off the deformation on the tip and he was back in business. I have always heard to never dry fire a rimfire. This was from gunsmiths back in my gun shop days. On my bolt action Marlin you can let the firing pin "down" (de-cock) for storage by depressing the trigger while closing the bolt.
Yep, some are not designed to be dry fired, but some have mechanical means to prevent the firing pin from striking the chamber mouth when dry fired. When I get my camera back I'll make a video and put on youtube, should be quite similar to poking the hornets' nest. :D
Post by: SAK Guy on September 25, 2015, 01:04:11 AM
Yeah I heard good things about the Winchester 9422, too bad it's discontinued.
I've been searching if dry fire is okay for these rifles, the opinion is mixed to say the least. After inspecting the firing mechanisms though I've determined both the Browning and Marlin are designed to withstand dry fire and will not suffer any damage.
A buddy brought me a Ruger Mark 1 22 Auto Pistol which was not firing...turns out he practiced dry firing so much that he had deformed the firing pin tip after repeated slamming into the chamber face. I filed off the deformation on the tip and he was back in business. I have always heard to never dry fire a rimfire. This was from gunsmiths back in my gun shop days. On my bolt action Marlin you can let the firing pin "down" (de-cock) for storage by depressing the trigger while closing the bolt.
Yep, some are not designed to be dry fired, but some have mechanical means to prevent the firing pin from striking the chamber mouth when dry fired. When I get my camera back I'll make a video and put on youtube, should be quite similar to poking the hornets' nest. :D
That's cool!!! Looking forward to it!! :salute:
Post by: Chako on September 30, 2015, 03:35:30 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on September 30, 2015, 05:16:09 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on September 30, 2015, 07:10:24 AM
Post by: Chako on September 30, 2015, 12:46:56 PM
Post by: buck on September 30, 2015, 05:27:52 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 01, 2015, 01:02:33 AM
40 rounds of TAP ammo, light, aimpont red dot, suppressor and 27 years of experience with this exact weapon system equals a bad day for a bad guy or six.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150930_175453_923.jpg~original) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150930_175453_923.jpg.html)
Post by: Chako on October 01, 2015, 01:54:43 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on October 01, 2015, 02:56:58 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on October 01, 2015, 02:58:21 AM
A quick shot of plan B I took today. A carry over of the talk we had about what to grab if something goes bump in the night.
40 rounds of TAP ammo, light, aimpont red dot, suppressor and 27 years of experience with this exact weapon system equals a bad day for a bad guy or six.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150930_175453_923.jpg~original) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150930_175453_923.jpg.html)
Fairly awesome Harley!!!! :D :salute:
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 01, 2015, 03:11:56 AM
A quick shot of plan B I took today. A carry over of the talk we had about what to grab if something goes bump in the night.
40 rounds of TAP ammo, light, aimpont red dot, suppressor and 27 years of experience with this exact weapon system equals a bad day for a bad guy or six.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150930_175453_923.jpg~original) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150930_175453_923.jpg.html)
The combination of weapon and skill level ought to handle just about anything that comes along. :salute:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 01, 2015, 03:21:58 AM
A quick shot of plan B I took today. A carry over of the talk we had about what to grab if something goes bump in the night.
40 rounds of TAP ammo, light, aimpont red dot, suppressor and 27 years of experience with this exact weapon system equals a bad day for a bad guy or six.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150930_175453_923.jpg~original) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150930_175453_923.jpg.html)
The combination of weapon and skill level ought to handle just about anything that comes along. :salute:
One time when we lived in Georgia two guys broke into our neighbors house in broad daylight. They didn't know the lady who lived there was home and had a 45 Colt. My wife saw this happen and after calling the police ran out the front door of our house with my AR.
By this time the neighbor lady was already chasing them out of the house with her 1911 in hand. They drove off and got caught by the police not far away. I like to think they got caught with soiled underpants lol.
Would have loved to see the look on their faces.
Post by: Chako on October 02, 2015, 06:02:41 AM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9647small_zpszlpbl5fd.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9647small_zpszlpbl5fd.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9648small_zpszxzbd9rs.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9648small_zpszxzbd9rs.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9649small_zpsojbyd5sm.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9649small_zpsojbyd5sm.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9650small_zpsykr9jwfs.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9650small_zpsykr9jwfs.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9652small_zpskpy8ubnx.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9652small_zpskpy8ubnx.jpg.html)
It sort of amazes me that I can buy this cheaper than many an air pellet rifle out there on the market.
Post by: jzmtl on October 02, 2015, 06:34:33 AM
Post by: kirk13 on October 02, 2015, 10:17:19 AM
Go figure
Post by: jzmtl on October 02, 2015, 10:30:43 AM
Post by: buck on October 02, 2015, 04:22:21 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on October 02, 2015, 05:30:03 PM
I've got 6.5 fever, .260 Remington, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5x55 Swede, bolt or semi.
Thank heavens! A fever that I don't suffer from!!!! :cheers:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 03, 2015, 12:04:01 AM
I've got 6.5 fever, .260 Remington, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5x55 Swede, bolt or semi.
Thank heavens! A fever that I don't suffer from!!!! :cheers:
I am guessing you have never shot them from a well set horrible round combination then.
Stupid accurate.
Post by: SAK Guy on October 03, 2015, 02:21:08 AM
I've got 6.5 fever, .260 Remington, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5x55 Swede, bolt or semi.
Thank heavens! A fever that I don't suffer from!!!! :cheers:
I am guessing you have never shot them from a well set horrible round combination then.
Stupid accurate.
You are correct sir nor do I intend to....I religiously stick to std calibers. :salute:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 03, 2015, 03:48:13 AM
I've got 6.5 fever, .260 Remington, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5x55 Swede, bolt or semi.
Thank heavens! A fever that I don't suffer from!!!! :cheers:
I am guessing you have never shot them from a well set horrible round combination then.
Stupid accurate.
You are correct sir nor do I intend to....I religiously stick to std calibers. :salute:
Old dog and new tricks huh? I feel ya.
Post by: SAK Guy on October 03, 2015, 04:09:49 AM
I've got 6.5 fever, .260 Remington, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5x55 Swede, bolt or semi.
Thank heavens! A fever that I don't suffer from!!!! :cheers:
I am guessing you have never shot them from a well set horrible round combination then.
Stupid accurate.
You are correct sir nor do I intend to....I religiously stick to std calibers. :salute:
Old dog and new tricks huh? I feel ya.
Yep, go with what ya know. :salute:
Post by: jzmtl on October 03, 2015, 11:31:07 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 04, 2015, 03:38:24 AM
2011 RCBS reloading die sales:
Rifle:
1. .308 Win
2. .223 Rem
3. 30-06 Spr
4. .243 Win
5. .270 Win
6 . .300 WinMag
7. 7mm RemMag
8. .22-250 Rem
9 7mm-08 Rem
10. .300 WSM
Handgun:
1. .45 ACP
2. 9mm Luger
3. .40 S&W
4. .38 Spl/.357 Mag
5. .44 SPl/.44 Mag
6. .45 Colt
7. .380 ACP
2011 Federal loaded rifle ammo sales.
1. 30-06 Spr
2. .223 Rem
3. 30-30 Win
4. 308 Win
5. 270 Win
6. 7mm RemMag
7. .243 Win
8. 22-250 Rem
9. 300 WinMag
10. 25-06 Rem
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 04, 2015, 04:29:38 AM
I find that hard to believe. Heck I also think more .308 is sold then 30-06.
Am I missing some huge group of 30-06 user's? Don't get me wrong the 30-06 is a awesome round but unless you are hunting something very large you get a lot more recoil for little to zero ballistic performance gain.
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 04, 2015, 06:16:12 AM
Post by: toolguy on October 04, 2015, 06:20:12 AM
More 30-06 sold the .223?
I find that hard to believe. Heck I also think more .308 is sold then 30-06.
Am I missing some huge group of 30-06 user's? Don't get me wrong the 30-06 is a awesome round but unless you are hunting something very large you get a lot more recoil for little to zero ballistic performance gain.
Dude,you're kidding right.
You need to check your ballistic charts.The 30-06 beats the diminutive .223 in all categories used to determine performance,such as FPS and FPE.
30-06 loaded with a Hornady 180 grain Spire point
Test Barrel (24") Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
MUZZLE 100 200 300 400 500
2820/3178 2630/2764 2447/2393 2272/2063 2104/1769 1944/1509
Trajectory (inches)
MUZZLE 100 200 300 400 500
-1.50 1.80 0.00 -7.60 -21.90 -44.10
.223 Remington loaded with a Hornady 50 grain GMX bullet
Test Barrel (24") Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
MUZZLE 100 200 300 400 500
3335/1235 2872/915 2453/668 2071/476 1727/331 1430/227
Trajectory (inches)
MUZZLE 100 200 300 400 500
-1.50 1.40 0.00 -7.20 -22.60 -49.80
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 04, 2015, 06:30:33 AM
More 30-06 sold the .223?
I find that hard to believe. Heck I also think more .308 is sold then 30-06.
Am I missing some huge group of 30-06 user's? Don't get me wrong the 30-06 is a awesome round but unless you are hunting something very large you get a lot more recoil for little to zero ballistic performance gain.
Dude,you're kidding right.
You need to check your ballistic charts.The 30-06 beats the diminutive .223 in all categories used to determine performance,such as FPS and FPE.
30-06 loaded with a Hornady 180 grain Spire point
Test Barrel (24") Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
MUZZLE 100 200 300 400 500
2820/3178 2630/2764 2447/2393 2272/2063 2104/1769 1944/1509
Trajectory (inches)
MUZZLE 100 200 300 400 500
-1.50 1.80 0.00 -7.60 -21.90 -44.10
.223 Remington loaded with a Hornady 50 grain GMX bullet
Test Barrel (24") Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
MUZZLE 100 200 300 400 500
3335/1235 2872/915 2453/668 2071/476 1727/331 1430/227
Trajectory (inches)
MUZZLE 100 200 300 400 500
-1.50 1.40 0.00 -7.20 -22.60 -49.80
Think Harley was comparing the .30-06 to the .308 Win or .270 Win., both of which kick substantially less, but which are pretty much capable of taking most anything the '06 can. The exceptions being big bears and maybe moose, where the '06's greater power would be welcome.
Post by: toolguy on October 04, 2015, 06:51:27 AM
There's very little discernible difference in recoil between the 30-06 and the .308 if each firearm weighed the same and shot the same bullet.There's only about 10% difference in performance so the difference in recoil wouldn't be noticeable.Given a total weight of 8lbs. for both guns and launching the same weight bullet of 180 grains,the difference in recoil would be 20 vs 18 lbs.
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 04, 2015, 07:38:20 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on October 04, 2015, 08:35:30 AM
I very definitely noticed the difference between a .30-06 and .308. For me the later was much more pleasant to shoot, and more accurate. Both were Remington 700BDLs. My Dad's 7mm magnum (also a 700) was physically painful.
My Dad had one of those BDL 7 Mags and one in a BAR....the BAR was way better to shoot....way better.... :facepalm:
Post by: Chako on October 04, 2015, 03:07:08 PM
http://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/308-win-vs-30-06/
With that said, I like my 30.06. When it was time to buy one, I asked several guys behind the desk which was better. They told me both were virtually the same. I went with the 30.06 because one of them told me it had a little more for larger game. I may never hunt with mine, I just liked the look of the larger case...go figure. :D
Post by: kirk13 on October 04, 2015, 04:27:33 PM
Here is something to read...
http://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/308-win-vs-30-06/
With that said, I like my 30.06. When it was time to buy one, I asked several guys behind the desk which was better. They told me both were virtually the same. I went with the 30.06 because one of them told me it had a little more for larger game. I may never hunt with mine, I just liked the look of the larger case...go figure. :D
Dan,at least your honest about it :salute:
Post by: Chako on October 04, 2015, 07:22:59 PM
Well after looking into them, I think I will have to sit this one out. After looking at how limited they are, and the price of the shells, no thanks.
For a while, I was sure I was a goner and would end up with a .410. See, I do have a somewhat limited sense of checks and balances. :whistle: :rofl:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 04, 2015, 07:34:49 PM
More 30-06 sold the .223?
I find that hard to believe. Heck I also think more .308 is sold then 30-06.
Am I missing some huge group of 30-06 user's? Don't get me wrong the 30-06 is a awesome round but unless you are hunting something very large you get a lot more recoil for little to zero ballistic performance gain.
Dude,you're kidding right.
You need to check your ballistic charts.The 30-06 beats the diminutive .223 in all categories used to determine performance,such as FPS and FPE.
30-06 loaded with a Hornady 180 grain Spire point
Test Barrel (24") Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
MUZZLE 100 200 300 400 500
2820/3178 2630/2764 2447/2393 2272/2063 2104/1769 1944/1509
Trajectory (inches)
MUZZLE 100 200 300 400 500
-1.50 1.80 0.00 -7.60 -21.90 -44.10
.223 Remington loaded with a Hornady 50 grain GMX bullet
Test Barrel (24") Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
MUZZLE 100 200 300 400 500
3335/1235 2872/915 2453/668 2071/476 1727/331 1430/227
Trajectory (inches)
MUZZLE 100 200 300 400 500
-1.50 1.40 0.00 -7.20 -22.60 -49.80
Oh no I was talking the difference between say 260 Rem or .308 and 30-06. More of trajectory and ability to buck the wind then terminal performance. 30-06 will always give you something with its largest case but you pay for it with some more recoil.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 04, 2015, 07:38:49 PM
Here is something to read...
http://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/308-win-vs-30-06/
With that said, I like my 30.06. When it was time to buy one, I asked several guys behind the desk which was better. They told me both were virtually the same. I went with the 30.06 because one of them told me it had a little more for larger game. I may never hunt with mine, I just liked the look of the larger case...go figure. :D
Also 30-06 can be loaded light for a .308 type recoil and performance or heavy for big animals. I like that it gives you options.
I don't hunt so it is of little use to me and will stick with my better BC bullets in the 6mm range.
Post by: dks on October 04, 2015, 08:03:15 PM
The cartridges used to be cheaper but it has lost a lot of its popularity in Europe, meaning that less cartridges (they are different in more than size) are being made, so their prices have gone up (the hunting license is now the same as for a 12 bore).
It also makes less noise which leads us to its main use - hunting when you do not want people to hear you ;) ;) ;) ;)
You can buy half load 12 bore cartridges that are quiet, do not damage small game, and are lot cheaper... still no as quiet as the .410.
Post by: SAK Guy on October 04, 2015, 08:17:13 PM
Looking into the world of .410 shotguns. This started after one of our members (who is part of a team that design friendly 3 gun competitions at the club) told me about this mini 3 gun competition he is thinking of having. This would require the use of a .22 handgun and rifle, and that .410 shotgun. I have everything but the .410.
Well after looking into them, I think I will have to sit this one out. After looking at how limited they are, and the price of the shells, no thanks.
For a while, I was sure I was a goner and would end up with a .410. See, I do have a somewhat limited sense of checks and balances. :whistle: :rofl:
Speaking of 410's, my daughters BF has a Taurus Judge in 410.....pretty versatile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRlry5KH6I0
Here's the S&W version...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a484VNz3umU
Post by: SAK Guy on October 04, 2015, 08:26:14 PM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: dks on October 04, 2015, 08:31:13 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 04, 2015, 08:36:00 PM
My daughter just sent me an email and said "Dad! You really need one of these!!"
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Yout daughter is smart and where can I get me one or two of these?
Post by: SAK Guy on October 04, 2015, 08:40:09 PM
My daughter just sent me an email and said "Dad! You really need one of these!!"
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Yout daughter is smart and where can I get me one or two of these?
I have an email in to her asking where she saw it will post it here! :tu:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 04, 2015, 08:42:14 PM
My daughter just sent me an email and said "Dad! You really need one of these!!"
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Yout daughter is smart and where can I get me one or two of these?
I have an email in to her asking where she saw it will post it here! :tu:
Hopefully she post it here so I can pm her for the grandkids contact info. Just saying.
Post by: SAK Guy on October 04, 2015, 09:20:39 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on October 04, 2015, 10:35:00 PM
Looking into the world of .410 shotguns. This started after one of our members (who is part of a team that design friendly 3 gun competitions at the club) told me about this mini 3 gun competition he is thinking of having. This would require the use of a .22 handgun and rifle, and that .410 shotgun. I have everything but the .410.
Well after looking into them, I think I will have to sit this one out. After looking at how limited they are, and the price of the shells, no thanks.
For a while, I was sure I was a goner and would end up with a .410. See, I do have a somewhat limited sense of checks and balances. :whistle: :rofl:
Speaking of 410's, my daughters BF has a Taurus Judge in 410.....pretty versatile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRlry5KH6I0
Here's the S&W version...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a484VNz3umU
Always wanted a Judge, but sadly they are illegal in my state. :rant:
Post by: SAK Guy on October 04, 2015, 11:45:29 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on October 05, 2015, 01:28:56 AM
Why? Mini shotgun?
Yup. Since it shoots shotgun shells it must have a 18" barrel.
Post by: SAK Guy on October 05, 2015, 02:18:28 AM
Why? Mini shotgun?
Yup. Since it shoots shotgun shells it must have a 18" barrel.
Wow! I had no idea.....
Post by: Chako on October 05, 2015, 02:25:33 AM
The Raging Judge shoots .410, .45 Colt. and .454 Casull. :drool:
Yes, I am doomed. :rofl:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 05, 2015, 02:48:51 AM
Gee thanks guys. Now that I have looked at those videos...I think I found something I would like to own someday. :facepalm:
The Raging Judge shoots .410, .45 Colt. and .454 Casull. :drool:
Yes, I am doomed. :rofl:
Once you shoot off one of them .45r Casull's you may be.
Post by: SAK Guy on October 05, 2015, 04:22:55 AM
Gee thanks guys. Now that I have looked at those videos...I think I found something I would like to own someday. :facepalm:
The Raging Judge shoots .410, .45 Colt. and .454 Casull. :drool:
Yes, I am doomed. :rofl:
LOL I want one too...a S&W because it shoots 45ACP as well...
They remind me of this.....
(http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/8823/10030864_2.jpg?v=8CE71411C11F350)
:D
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 10, 2015, 02:50:04 AM
Recoil was very heavy; muzzle flash was intense (kill 'em and grill 'em), and the noise level was extremely unpleasant (to be polite about it).
Think I'll stick with my .38/.357 and 9mms.
Post by: Gareth on October 10, 2015, 11:25:53 PM
Post by: jerseydevil on October 10, 2015, 11:29:52 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 11, 2015, 04:58:45 AM
:ahhh no thank you! I fired a .577 Nitro Express double rifle once. The recoil knocked two fillings out of my teeth.....
Ouch!
Once fired a .458 Win Mag. Definitely hurt. Then the idiot owner decided to fire it from the prone position, despite my comment that it was probably not a good idea. Promptly screwed up his back.
Heard about a clown who begged the owner of a .460 Weatherby to let him try it. Broke his shoulder. The clown was threatening to sue the owner. Went from being a clown to being a jackass.
Was in a gun shop when some guy came in to buy ammo for a recent purchase, a beautiful little over-under Browning double rifle. In .243 or 6.5mm Mannlicher it would have been sweet. This version was chambered for the 9.3x74R, a metric near-equivalent of the .375 H&H. Every one in the shop told him it was going to hurt. Heard he came back later threatening law suits when it hurt.
Sometimes its good to be a wimp. :D
Post by: Chako on October 11, 2015, 03:48:52 PM
http://www.sootoday.com/content/news/details.asp?c=99109
I hope the victim recovers fully and is well. Being sent to Ottawa is a bit worrisome however. Prayers sent. As a teacher, I can't help but wonder if I know the victim or the people involved. :(
Post by: kirk13 on October 11, 2015, 03:54:47 PM
Saying all that,I hope the kid involved here recovers!
Post by: captain spaulding on October 11, 2015, 10:37:44 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on October 11, 2015, 10:58:30 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 12, 2015, 12:19:31 AM
7mm Mag for me but a .303 out of a Jungle Carbine beat me up worse.
Don't think I've ever heard a good word about the Jungle Carbine.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 12, 2015, 01:24:15 AM
Most of these rounds I shot from heavy long range or interdiction platforms so the recoil while string was not as bad as say 300 Win Mag from a lightweight chassis. Of course the stupid semi auto .50 BMG would sneak up on you and after a day of shooting you would be sore to say the least.
Post by: SAK Guy on October 12, 2015, 02:07:31 AM
7mm Mag for me but a .303 out of a Jungle Carbine beat me up worse.
Don't think I've ever heard a good word about the Jungle Carbine.
Well, it looked neat and was an early example with no importer stamps so I traded it straight across for a very nice, late Pre 64 Winchester 94. That No.5 would walk the rounds to the right a 1/2" every shot when rapid firing @ 25 yards.
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 12, 2015, 02:43:50 AM
Hmm for me the heaviest rounds were probably.50 BMG, 408 or 375 Chey Tax and the .338 Papua.
Most of these rounds I shot from heavy long range or interdiction platforms so the recoil while string was not as bad as say 300 Win Mag from a lightweight chassis. Of course the stupid semi auto .50 BMG would sneak up on you and after a day of shooting you would be sore to say the least.
Fired the .50 Browning in the Browning M2HB. The way it was bouncing that 85 lb machine gun around was enough to convince me I never wanted to fire it from the shoulder.
Post by: jerseydevil on October 12, 2015, 03:05:04 AM
7mm Mag for me but a .303 out of a Jungle Carbine beat me up worse.
Don't think I've ever heard a good word about the Jungle Carbine.
Well, it looked neat and was an early example with no importer stamps so I traded it straight across for a very nice, late Pre 64 Winchester 94. That No.5 would walk the rounds to the right a 1/2" every shot when rapid firing @ 25 yards.
The No.5 kicks like a mule. There's a reason that it was issued with a rubber buttpad. Even with the flash hider, the muzzle blast can dazzle you (it's quite impressive at night :) ). There's also the famous "wandering zero", where the damn thing wouldn't shoot where you aimed it. Overall though they're neat. My brother and I have joint ownership of an original.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 12, 2015, 03:13:20 AM
Hmm for me the heaviest rounds were probably.50 BMG, 408 or 375 Chey Tax and the .338 Papua.
Most of these rounds I shot from heavy long range or interdiction platforms so the recoil while string was not as bad as say 300 Win Mag from a lightweight chassis. Of course the stupid semi auto .50 BMG would sneak up on you and after a day of shooting you would be sore to say the least.
Fired the .50 Browning in the Browning M2HB. The way it was bouncing that 85 lb machine gun around was enough to convince me I never wanted to fire it from the shoulder.
It aint to bad out of the M107 with the muzzle break and recoil buffer spring. It kicks and throws up a lot of dust but it is not the worst for sure.
Post by: Chako on October 12, 2015, 03:36:30 AM
Well today, I got the chance to shoot my Thompson Center Impact black powder rifle. Boy am I hooked. I spent some time reading up on the process while at the range today to make sure I didn't make any mistakes. Using 50 grain pyrodex charges makes the whole process simplicity itself. My first shot was only 1 shaped charge. It went boom with plenty of nice smoke. I then tried a 100 grain shaped charge (Using 2 Pyrodex 50 grain charges). Now that was more like it. The rifle seemed somewhat accurate from the iron sights provided...good enough to hunt with right out of the box. Plenty of smoke, bang, and fire. Yeah, I can see myself maybe getting another older style smoke pole down the road...something that isn't a modern inline black powder rifle.
I found the slower pace of having to drop pyrodex charges, and then ramming the bullet down the barrel, priming the rifle with a 209 shotgun primer a more relaxed pace. Am I weird in thinking the cleaning aspect of having to do this for every third shot also part of the relaxation. :think:
Oh nothing like the smell of pyrodex in the morning as well. :tu:
Post by: SAK Guy on October 12, 2015, 03:47:53 AM
7mm Mag for me but a .303 out of a Jungle Carbine beat me up worse.
Don't think I've ever heard a good word about the Jungle Carbine.
Well, it looked neat and was an early example with no importer stamps so I traded it straight across for a very nice, late Pre 64 Winchester 94. That No.5 would walk the rounds to the right a 1/2" every shot when rapid firing @ 25 yards.
The No.5 kicks like a mule. There's a reason that it was issued with a rubber buttpad. Even with the flash hider, the muzzle blast can dazzle you (it's quite impressive at night :) ). There's also the famous "wandering zero", where the damn thing wouldn't shoot where you aimed it. Overall though they're neat. My brother and I have joint ownership of an original.
+1 The JC was very neat but was less neat after a couple of hundred hard rounds through it! :ahhh Luckily, my Winchester is still neat 10 years in. Loved the No. 5 but love the 94 more. :cheers:
Post by: David on October 12, 2015, 09:18:37 AM
Was down at the range today and had a chance to fire a .460 S&W.
Recoil was very heavy; muzzle flash was intense (kill 'em and grill 'em), and the noise level was extremely unpleasant (to be polite about it).
Think I'll stick with my .38/.357 and 9mms.
Having shot my brothers 475 & 500 Linebaugh alot I understand what you mean. While the 475 is an attenion getter the 500 with full house loads are not for the weak or faint of heart. The 500 Linebaugh is one of those that has a fine line in your grip. Grip to light it can come out of your hand and hurt you. Try to manhandle it and it will hurt your hand, wrist and forearm. :D
I've shot a 50 BMG round from a 30 lb single shot and it wasnt as bad as I thought it would be. I would not want to shoot it all day either. The muzzle blast and concussion from that thing was extremely impressive. :o :D
Post by: ducttapetech on October 12, 2015, 01:13:35 PM
I once shot a Steyr HS50 that shoots a .50BMG round. I must say the rifle weighed a good 12+ kilograms, was heavily shored up with many sand bags so the recoil was very little felt. However, I shot the rifle in an enclosed gun gallery, and the blast/sound was something to behold. My light Savage Axis II 30.06 kicks more than that heavy and well entrenched Steyr did.Love black powder fire arms! You will love the sidelocks.
Well today, I got the chance to shoot my Thompson Center Impact black powder rifle. Boy am I hooked. I spent some time reading up on the process while at the range today to make sure I didn't make any mistakes. Using 50 grain pyrodex charges makes the whole process simplicity itself. My first shot was only 1 shaped charge. It went boom with plenty of nice smoke. I then tried a 100 grain shaped charge (Using 2 Pyrodex 50 grain charges). Now that was more like it. The rifle seemed somewhat accurate from the iron sights provided...good enough to hunt with right out of the box. Plenty of smoke, bang, and fire. Yeah, I can see myself maybe getting another older style smoke pole down the road...something that isn't a modern inline black powder rifle.
I found the slower pace of having to drop pyrodex charges, and then ramming the bullet down the barrel, priming the rifle with a 209 shotgun primer a more relaxed pace. Am I weird in thinking the cleaning aspect of having to do this for every third shot also part of the relaxation. :think:
Oh nothing like the smell of pyrodex in the morning as well. :tu:
That's us mobile.
Nate
Post by: Chako on October 12, 2015, 05:13:02 PM
235 - 12 Gauge,
160 - 7.62x39,
100 - 30.06,
1500 - 9 mm,
750 - .45 ACP,
200 - .45 Colt,
10925 - .22LR,
looks like.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9678small_zpsiixtaeuu.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9678small_zpsiixtaeuu.jpg.html)
This does not include the 750 - 7.62x39, and around 60 - .50 caliber sabot bullets for the smoke pole, and another 50 - 12 gauge shells on two bandoleers. :facepalm:
I need to rethink my ammo storage solution. My little 8 gun cabinet isn't doing the job anymore.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 12, 2015, 10:07:36 PM
This is also why I limit the number of calibers I run. .22lr, 9MM, .223 and 12 gauge.
Post by: Chako on October 12, 2015, 11:11:31 PM
Post by: jerseydevil on October 13, 2015, 01:36:35 AM
During the American Civil War, US troops went into action with 40 rounds in their cartridge boxes. Only 36 pf these, wrapped in white paper, had a regular Minie bullet in them. The other four, every tenth round, was in pink paper, and contained what was known a Williams 'cleaner' bullet. The Williams had a lead disk attached to the back. When fired, the disk would expand and (hopefully) scrape a lot of the fouling from the previous rounds off the rifling. That's how its done when someone else is shooting at you and those Minie balls are getting harder and harder to ram down.......
Post by: Chako on October 13, 2015, 01:54:42 AM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on October 13, 2015, 12:42:06 PM
It would tick all my boxes, pride of ownership, toy, and very occasional hunting.
:cry: Never even seen one for sale locally, even if I could afford and get it licensed.
First time I shot my .357 I only had 2nd rate ear plugs.......for a week afterward I felt like I was experiencing the world through a wool blanket.
The shock that goes with shooting these large calibers is a problem for me, be it hunting or self-defense, any time that hearing protection isn't an option.
Post by: ducttapetech on October 13, 2015, 01:35:19 PM
That's us mobile.
Nate
Post by: jerseydevil on October 13, 2015, 08:32:34 PM
You will love Black powder fire arms. And they don't have that ear piercing crack to them. Just a boom with lots of smoke and fire.
That's us mobile.
Nate
The recoil impulse is different as well. More of a (somewhat) gentle shove compared to the punch of a smokeless arm.
Post by: Chako on October 14, 2015, 12:56:09 AM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9696SMALL_zpsbpfzhhrz.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9696SMALL_zpsbpfzhhrz.jpg.html)
Here it is in its new home.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9698small_zps4eyksal3.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9698small_zps4eyksal3.jpg.html)
And now have plenty of room.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9699small_zpsengr5arx.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9699small_zpsengr5arx.jpg.html)
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 14, 2015, 01:36:33 AM
Found the ideal solution to my ammo storage issues.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9696SMALL_zpsbpfzhhrz.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9696SMALL_zpsbpfzhhrz.jpg.html)
Here it is in its new home.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9698small_zps4eyksal3.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9698small_zps4eyksal3.jpg.html)
And now have plenty of room.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9699small_zpsengr5arx.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9699small_zpsengr5arx.jpg.html)
One suggestion: Those legs look a bit spindly. You might want to pick up some 1 1/2" wide pre-drilled steel strips and do some cross-bracing on the back and sides. Most home improvement stores cary them.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 14, 2015, 02:33:00 AM
Found the ideal solution to my ammo storage issues.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9696SMALL_zpsbpfzhhrz.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9696SMALL_zpsbpfzhhrz.jpg.html)
Here it is in its new home.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9698small_zps4eyksal3.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9698small_zps4eyksal3.jpg.html)
And now have plenty of room.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9699small_zpsengr5arx.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9699small_zpsengr5arx.jpg.html)
Plenty of room........for now.
Post by: Chako on October 21, 2015, 11:26:11 AM
Post by: ducttapetech on October 21, 2015, 02:08:17 PM
That's us mobile.
Nate
Post by: SAK Guy on October 21, 2015, 03:36:47 PM
Would you believe..still waiting on anything concerning my 1911 front sight assembly. :think: :poh:
The squeaky wheel gets oiled.....I'd be calling them every week for a progress update.
Post by: Chako on October 22, 2015, 12:58:00 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on October 22, 2015, 01:02:04 AM
Done...and email as well.
:salute:
Post by: Chako on October 24, 2015, 09:33:13 PM
I really love my TC Impact inline muzzleloader. I have been thinking of maybe getting something a little more traditional, so I ended up at the local gun store and found they had two very reasonably priced used percussion sidelocks. One being a more trad looking piece, and the other more modern. I couldn't decide on which to get so I got them both for less than the price of a new one.
First up is a Traditions 50 cal Deerhunter percusion sidelock.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9784small_zpspbaw2ane.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9784small_zpspbaw2ane.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9785small_zpspakm2fpj.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9785small_zpspakm2fpj.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9787small_zpsvschmmk3.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9787small_zpsvschmmk3.jpg.html)
Next up is a Thompston Center New Englander percussion sidelock.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9788small_zpsa9uipiwk.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9788small_zpsa9uipiwk.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9789small_zpsatuevqc7.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9789small_zpsatuevqc7.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9791small_zpscc0adgxw.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9791small_zpscc0adgxw.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9793small_zpsfx6c2wmr.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9793small_zpsfx6c2wmr.jpg.html)
Is a flintlock in my future? :rofl:
Post by: kirk13 on October 24, 2015, 09:49:39 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on October 24, 2015, 09:51:13 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on October 24, 2015, 10:45:23 PM
Just a thought. If you have ammo you are planning on storing for long periods of time then I would suggest a ammo can and possibly desiccant.
Post by: Chako on October 24, 2015, 10:57:53 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on October 24, 2015, 11:21:08 PM
Got plenty of anti-humidity absorbents in the room. I have a large one that you can plug in to recharge for the room, and plenty of smaller disposable packets everywhere.
That's good. :tu:
Again, if you plan on buying any ammo for long term storage I would still highly suggest a ammo can with seal.
Post by: jerseydevil on October 25, 2015, 03:01:05 AM
Post by: Chako on October 25, 2015, 03:30:21 AM
Here are my 3 muzzle-loaders.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9794small_zpsapkdavdb.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9794small_zpsapkdavdb.jpg.html)
Top to bottom: Traditions .50 cal Deerhunter percussion sidelock, Thompson Center .50 cal New Englander percussion sidelock, Thompson Center .50 cal Impact inline.
All I need is to get myself some #11 percussion caps, lead balls or conical bullets, patches, and the right black powder and I should be in business. :D
Post by: Chako on October 25, 2015, 03:49:59 AM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9799small_zpsnxwdbbxf.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9799small_zpsnxwdbbxf.jpg.html)
Post by: captain spaulding on October 25, 2015, 05:52:00 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 27, 2015, 09:44:33 PM
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Post by: Chako on October 28, 2015, 01:58:17 AM
I took a closer look at that New Englander and noticed after looking closely at the ram rod down the barrel that it was longer then it should be. I examined the barrel closely with a bore light and just can see a lead ball down the barrel!
The local gun shop sold me a loaded muzzleloader! Now how in the hell am I supposed to get that out? Well I took a look online and it appears there are 3 main ways of doing this. First is to use a CO2 canister to somehow push the ball and I guess powder out of the barrel. Second is to try and fire it. Third is to use a ball puller.
I don't have a puller yet...but it looks like I should buy one ASAP anyhow. Guess I will call the gun shop and see what they are willing to do for me lol. I just called a local gun smith and he tells me he can remove it for me. Firing this is not an option as I have no clue if there is power, or how much was put in.
For Pete's sake, does the gun shop not know what they are doing? I just like the idea of driving around with a freaking smoke pole loaded. :facepalm:
:rofl:
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 28, 2015, 02:06:22 AM
This is in case you guys wondered what 60,000 dollars of expanded .50 BMG looked like.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20151027_152418.jpg~original) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20151027_152418.jpg.html)
Mere peanuts.
The M829E4 is a fifth-generation APFSDS-T cartridge consisting of a depleted-uranium, multi-segmented,[not in citation given] long rod penetrator with a three-petal composite sabot.[citation needed] The penetrator includes a low-drag fin with a tracer, and a windshield and tip assembly. Its propellant maintains consistent muzzle velocities across operational temperatures from −25 to 145 °F (−32 to 63 °C). The new Advanced Combustible Cartridge Case is similar to previous models but has a relocated skive joint placement for better crew-member safety during handling.[9] The initial order for 2,501 M829E4 rounds in 2014 had a unit cost of $10,100 each.[5] On 20 July 2015, Orbital ATK announced that the M829E4 had passed First Article Acceptance Testing and was entering production.[10] On 12 October 2015, Orbital ATK announced the round had recently received type classification as the M829A4, and was awarded a full-rate production contract to begin in early 2016.[11]
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 28, 2015, 02:08:28 AM
Ok...looks like my luck keeps on rolling. :rofl:
I took a closer look at that New Englander and noticed after looking closely at the ram rod down the barrel that it was longer then it should be. I examined the barrel closely with a bore light and just can see a lead ball down the barrel!
The local gun shop sold me a loaded muzzleloader! Now how in the hell am I supposed to get that out? Well I took a look online and it appears there are 3 main ways of doing this. First is to use a CO2 canister to somehow push the ball and I guess powder out of the barrel. Second is to try and fire it. Third is to use a ball puller.
I don't have a puller yet...but it looks like I should buy one ASAP anyhow. Guess I will call the gun shop and see what they are willing to do for me lol. I just called a local gun smith and he tells me he can remove it for me. Firing this is not an option as I have no clue if there is power, or how much was put in.
For Pete's sake, does the gun shop not know what they are doing? I just like the idea of driving around with a freaking smoke pole loaded. :facepalm:
:rofl:
Did you tell them you mentioned them in your will?
Seriously, you need to find another gun shop, ASAP!
Post by: Chako on October 28, 2015, 02:18:55 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 28, 2015, 02:42:56 AM
This is in case you guys wondered what 60,000 dollars of expanded .50 BMG looked like.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20151027_152418.jpg~original) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20151027_152418.jpg.html)
Mere peanuts.
The M829E4 is a fifth-generation APFSDS-T cartridge consisting of a depleted-uranium, multi-segmented,[not in citation given] long rod penetrator with a three-petal composite sabot.[citation needed] The penetrator includes a low-drag fin with a tracer, and a windshield and tip assembly. Its propellant maintains consistent muzzle velocities across operational temperatures from −25 to 145 °F (−32 to 63 °C). The new Advanced Combustible Cartridge Case is similar to previous models but has a relocated skive joint placement for better crew-member safety during handling.[9] The initial order for 2,501 M829E4 rounds in 2014 had a unit cost of $10,100 each.[5] On 20 July 2015, Orbital ATK announced that the M829E4 had passed First Article Acceptance Testing and was entering production.[10] On 12 October 2015, Orbital ATK announced the round had recently received type classification as the M829A4, and was awarded a full-rate production contract to begin in early 2016.[11]
True they don't cost much compared to tank and arty rounds but we sure had fun shooting them.
We also shot a ton of linked 40mm grenades but I have no idea how much they cost.
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 28, 2015, 02:47:33 AM
This is in case you guys wondered what 60,000 dollars of expanded .50 BMG looked like.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20151027_152418.jpg~original) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20151027_152418.jpg.html)
Mere peanuts.
The M829E4 is a fifth-generation APFSDS-T cartridge consisting of a depleted-uranium, multi-segmented,[not in citation given] long rod penetrator with a three-petal composite sabot.[citation needed] The penetrator includes a low-drag fin with a tracer, and a windshield and tip assembly. Its propellant maintains consistent muzzle velocities across operational temperatures from −25 to 145 °F (−32 to 63 °C). The new Advanced Combustible Cartridge Case is similar to previous models but has a relocated skive joint placement for better crew-member safety during handling.[9] The initial order for 2,501 M829E4 rounds in 2014 had a unit cost of $10,100 each.[5] On 20 July 2015, Orbital ATK announced that the M829E4 had passed First Article Acceptance Testing and was entering production.[10] On 12 October 2015, Orbital ATK announced the round had recently received type classification as the M829A4, and was awarded a full-rate production contract to begin in early 2016.[11]
True they don't cost much compared to tank and arty rounds but we sure had fun shooting them.
We also shot a ton of linked 40mm grenades but I have no idea how much they cost.
Fired the M79 and M203 grenade launchers. Never had a chance to play around with one of the full-auto ones.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 28, 2015, 02:50:21 AM
This is in case you guys wondered what 60,000 dollars of expanded .50 BMG looked like.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20151027_152418.jpg~original) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20151027_152418.jpg.html)
Mere peanuts.
The M829E4 is a fifth-generation APFSDS-T cartridge consisting of a depleted-uranium, multi-segmented,[not in citation given] long rod penetrator with a three-petal composite sabot.[citation needed] The penetrator includes a low-drag fin with a tracer, and a windshield and tip assembly. Its propellant maintains consistent muzzle velocities across operational temperatures from −25 to 145 °F (−32 to 63 °C). The new Advanced Combustible Cartridge Case is similar to previous models but has a relocated skive joint placement for better crew-member safety during handling.[9] The initial order for 2,501 M829E4 rounds in 2014 had a unit cost of $10,100 each.[5] On 20 July 2015, Orbital ATK announced that the M829E4 had passed First Article Acceptance Testing and was entering production.[10] On 12 October 2015, Orbital ATK announced the round had recently received type classification as the M829A4, and was awarded a full-rate production contract to begin in early 2016.[11]
True they don't cost much compared to tank and arty rounds but we sure had fun shooting them.
We also shot a ton of linked 40mm grenades but I have no idea how much they cost.
Fired the M79 and M203 grenade launchers. Never had a chance to play around with one of the full-auto ones.
You haven't missed anything. They are jam prone junk.
Of course when you do get one running they are devastating. Just not something you want to rely on in combat.
Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 28, 2015, 03:18:02 AM
JR
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 28, 2015, 03:33:48 AM
The penetrator went through the berm; then through the tank.
Post by: Chako on October 28, 2015, 04:37:26 AM
Post by: kirk13 on October 28, 2015, 09:24:41 AM
Ok...looks like my luck keeps on rolling. :rofl:
I took a closer look at that New Englander and noticed after looking closely at the ram rod down the barrel that it was longer then it should be. I examined the barrel closely with a bore light and just can see a lead ball down the barrel!
The local gun shop sold me a loaded muzzleloader! Now how in the hell am I supposed to get that out? Well I took a look online and it appears there are 3 main ways of doing this. First is to use a CO2 canister to somehow push the ball and I guess powder out of the barrel. Second is to try and fire it. Third is to use a ball puller.
I don't have a puller yet...but it looks like I should buy one ASAP anyhow. Guess I will call the gun shop and see what they are willing to do for me lol. I just called a local gun smith and he tells me he can remove it for me. Firing this is not an option as I have no clue if there is power, or how much was put in.
For Pete's sake, does the gun shop not know what they are doing? I just like the idea of driving around with a freaking smoke pole loaded. :facepalm:
:rofl:
Did you tell them you mentioned them in your will?
Seriously, you need to find another gun shop, ASAP!
+1! You'd wonder how they stay in business if your a typical example of their customer service!
Post by: Chako on October 28, 2015, 10:28:06 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 28, 2015, 04:54:04 PM
I like to think I am special. :rofl:
We have always known you are........special.
Post by: Chako on October 29, 2015, 12:16:09 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on October 29, 2015, 01:40:24 AM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/hug-for-you_00082957_zpszxo3zyeh.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/hug-for-you_00082957_zpszxo3zyeh.jpg.html)
Point made.
Post by: Chako on October 29, 2015, 02:12:02 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 29, 2015, 04:47:56 AM
I like to think I am special. :rofl:
:whistle:
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on October 29, 2015, 08:38:56 AM
I was starting to get worried, but I just picked up the license for my grandfather's .410/.22 side-by-side rifle, great relief to have it legal and on my name! 8)
Collecting it from the gun shop at 4pm :woohoo:
Post by: kirk13 on October 29, 2015, 09:41:29 AM
Happy days :D
I was starting to get worried, but I just picked up the license for my grandfather's .410/.22 side-by-side rifle, great relief to have it legal and on my name! 8)
Collecting it from the gun shop at 4pm :woohoo:
Brilliant! Now,about those photos :pok:
Post by: Gareth on October 29, 2015, 09:45:26 AM
Looking forward to seeing it.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on October 29, 2015, 10:11:50 AM
Photos to follow this evening, 3 month debt I'll pay with gladness. :D :salute:
Post by: Gareth on October 29, 2015, 10:28:11 AM
Thanks guys, it's a huge relief because they tightening up the licensing process and .22 more often as not get turned down.
Photos to follow this evening, 3 month debt I'll pay with gladness. :D :salute:
That's interesting. Any particular reason for it? :think:
Post by: Chako on October 29, 2015, 11:46:15 AM
Good news on the acquisition! :salute:
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on October 29, 2015, 01:07:15 PM
I guess it helps the ammo is cheap, and as much as silencers are almost expected on the hunting farms these days, not very many years ago the only suppressed rifles I'd seen were all .22 and........frowned upon. ???
I've been told Botswana does not allow .22 at all, but they do use .22 air rifles, and I'm guessing you'll need to jump more than a few hoops to get it licensed.....
Botswana is probably the only African country where most people realize that wild animals are worth more as tourist $$ than in a pot.
Post by: dks on October 29, 2015, 01:14:58 PM
Very simple, .22 is the ultimate poaching rifle.
I guess it helps the ammo is cheap, and as much as silencers are almost expected on the hunting farms these days, not very many years ago the only suppressed rifles I'd seen were all .22 and........frowned upon. ???
I've been told Botswana does not allow .22 at all, but they do use .22 air rifles, and I'm guessing you'll need to jump more than a few hoops to get it licensed.....
Botswana is probably the only African country where most people realize that wild animals are worth more as tourist $$ than in a pot.
500 posts!
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Post by: dks on October 29, 2015, 06:16:26 PM
Post by: Chako on October 30, 2015, 03:30:17 AM
I bought a cheap over the door hanger to better store my two competition belts. One belt will have my 9mm holster and 3 double mag holders, and the other will have my .45 ACP holster and 3 double mag holders. Here is the one belt somewhat ready minus the Norinco 1911 .45 holster. Going to set the other up for my M&P 9mm.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9802small_zpsu0izohso.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9802small_zpsu0izohso.jpg.html)
Yeah, a whole lot better then it was...although I do seriously need to tackle the above shelf something fierce. Note I had just placed my um...er...freshly bought used percussion cap sidelock there to store it for the night trying to figure out what I was going to do with it. It is now trigger locked and locked once again inside one of those plastic hard-cases. Going to the gunsmiths tomorrow to extricate the ball.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9803small_zpslpxmhvu3.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9803small_zpslpxmhvu3.jpg.html)
The upper shelf is perfect to store all of my handguns and range bag. I have already bought 3 same keyed wire bicycle locks. When I string them together, I should be able to lock those handgun cases to the locker. That should help prevent someone just breaking in and taking them. Mind you, they would have to break into the case, and get past the trigger lock...but I would rather they not leave my gun room at all.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9804small_zpszwna8bhz.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9804small_zpszwna8bhz.jpg.html)
I was having big issues with keys. So I bought this key box. Now all my keys are locked in there and I only need to carry one key to get into that box.
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Post by: Chako on October 30, 2015, 03:44:01 AM
They also asked me what colour fiber optics I originally had. Frankly at this point, I will take anything they have and not cry about it. Only time will tell if this gets resolved.
I also took a gander around town to find some supplies to support my two 50 caliber percussion sidelocks. Got a date with the local gunsmith tomorrow to see if my TC New Englander is indeed locked and loaded. I still didn't have anything to support them...so a little shopping was in order.
I was going to use one of those clear plastic ketchup bottles, but this one had a closing valve that might make loading my measure a little more convenient.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9809small_zpssvmloeec.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9809small_zpssvmloeec.jpg.html)
Got this empty bottle that might make cleaning the nipple easier.
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Hoppe's #9 black powder gun bore cleaner and patch lubricant.
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Need something to make boom...Pyrodex Rs should do the trick.
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This capper should make placing #11 percussion caps a little easier.
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Needed a powder measure. Good from 10 grains to 120 grains
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100 lead balls.
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(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9820small_zps4soandll.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9820small_zps4soandll.jpg.html)
Even got a 50 cal mop.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9822small_zpscw06f2w8.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9822small_zpscw06f2w8.jpg.html)
100 #11 percussion caps.
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200 non lubricated patches.
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200 lubricated patches.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9825small_zpserynp81m.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9825small_zpserynp81m.jpg.html)
200 bulk cotton patches of various sizes and shapes.
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And a sealed dry box to keep it all in, and the moisture out. :tu:
So with that done, I should be ready to go.
Post by: Smitty44 on October 30, 2015, 05:14:20 AM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on October 30, 2015, 06:51:04 AM
Photos to follow this evening, 3 month debt I'll pay with gladness. :D :salute:
My ISP had other ideas.....PPPoE timeout, and I was forced to speak to the biggest collection of 1st and 2nd line "support" idiots south of the Sahara.......still dead in the water at home, can't post pics from work. >:( >:( >:(
Post by: Gareth on October 30, 2015, 03:18:29 PM
Photos to follow this evening, 3 month debt I'll pay with gladness. :D :salute:
My ISP had other ideas.....PPPoE timeout, and I was forced to speak to the biggest collection of 1st and 2nd line "support" idiots south of the Sahara.......still dead in the water at home, can't post pics from work. >:( >:( >:(
Damn, that's a shame. :-\ Hope you get things up and going soon.
Post by: Chako on October 30, 2015, 09:23:08 PM
Post by: David on October 31, 2015, 12:27:45 AM
Post by: dks on October 31, 2015, 02:19:09 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on October 31, 2015, 10:13:06 PM
Bought some serious game cartridges (for 2 guns)
They have Jaguars in Cyprus? :think: :D
Post by: Chako on November 01, 2015, 02:26:59 AM
I recall someone saying I would be collecting sooner than later. :facepalm:
01. Buckmark .22LR semi auto pistol.
02. Cimmeron Plinkerton .22LR single action army.
03. Ruger 10/22 .22LR carbine.
04. Savage Model 64F .22LR rifle.
05. Hi Point 9 mm Carbine.
06. Smith & Wesson M&P 9 mm.
07. Savage Axis II 30.06 Rifle.
08. SKS 7.62x39 with laminate stock.
09. SKS 7.62x39 with Strike Force stock and extras.
10. Uberti single action army in .45 Colt.
12. Norinco 1911A1 .45 ACP.
13. Remington 870 SPS 12 gauge.
14. Hatsan Escort 12 gauge.
15. Thompson Center .50 caliber Impact inline muzzleloader.
15. Thompson Center .50 caliber New Englander percussion sidelock.
16. Traditions .50 caliber Deerhunter percussion sidelock.
Sorry for listing them...but even I am having a hard time believing I am up to 16! :rofl:
Post by: ducttapetech on November 01, 2015, 02:32:00 AM
Post by: Chako on November 01, 2015, 02:36:25 AM
Post by: ducttapetech on November 01, 2015, 03:32:30 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 01, 2015, 04:51:04 AM
Yikes. Would you believe I am up to 16 firearms...and to think I almost added either a Taurus 357 Mag Tracker, or a DPMS Oracle because it was the cheapest AR 15 style rifle in the shop. Tell me why I am thinking I need something that uses 357 Magnum rounds, or .223 rounds? Lucky enough, i didn't bite today.
I recall someone saying I would be collecting sooner than later. :facepalm:
01. Buckmark .22LR semi auto pistol.
02. Cimmeron Plinkerton .22LR single action army.
03. Ruger 10/22 .22LR carbine.
04. Savage Model 64F .22LR rifle.
05. Hi Point 9 mm Carbine.
06. Smith & Wesson M&P 9 mm.
07. Savage Axis II 30.06 Rifle.
08. SKS 7.62x39 with laminate stock.
09. SKS 7.62x39 with Strike Force stock and extras.
10. Uberti single action army in .45 Colt.
12. Norinco 1911A1 .45 ACP.
13. Remington 870 SPS 12 gauge.
14. Hatsan Escort 12 gauge.
15. Thompson Center .50 caliber Impact inline muzzleloader.
15. Thompson Center .50 caliber New Englander percussion sidelock.
16. Traditions .50 caliber Deerhunter percussion sidelock.
Sorry for listing them...but even I am having a hard time believing I am up to 16! :rofl:
And you've been shooting HOW long? :D
Post by: captain spaulding on November 01, 2015, 08:55:46 AM
Yikes. Would you believe I am up to 16 firearms...and to think I almost added either a Taurus 357 Mag Tracker, or a DPMS Oracle because it was the cheapest AR 15 style rifle in the shop. Tell me why I am thinking I need something that uses 357 Magnum rounds, or .223 rounds? Lucky enough, i didn't bite today.
I recall someone saying I would be collecting sooner than later. :facepalm:
;)
Post by: Gareth on November 01, 2015, 10:43:34 AM
Yikes. Would you believe I am up to 16 firearms...and to think I almost added either a Taurus 357 Mag Tracker, or a DPMS Oracle because it was the cheapest AR 15 style rifle in the shop. Tell me why I am thinking I need something that uses 357 Magnum rounds, or .223 rounds? Lucky enough, i didn't bite today.
I recall someone saying I would be collecting sooner than later. :facepalm:
;)
Lets be honest, even if we didn't all say it, we were all thinking it. :D
Joking aside Dan I rather like the idea of the muzzleloaders. :tu:
Post by: Chako on November 01, 2015, 12:54:00 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on November 01, 2015, 02:26:30 PM
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Post by: dks on November 01, 2015, 06:13:16 PM
Bought some serious game cartridges (for 2 guns)
They have Jaguars in Cyprus? :think: :D
not any more... 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
They were pretty bad- I shot a bird, from 15m, up its backside, feathers flying everywhere, and it just flew off when I went to get it...
Very little kick, however.
Post by: rebel on November 01, 2015, 06:33:41 PM
I probably should promise myself to stop at 20...just saying. :rofl:
Usually the way it works is you buy a bigger safe than you think you will ever need and shortly thereafter you fill it to overflowing.
Then you say to yourself, you know, I really need a bigger safe. Then you buy a much bigger one and breathe easy for a short while. Then you say to yourself, you know, I can't leave all these guns outside the safe so you buy an additional safe. When you have safes in several rooms of the house than you can start to admit to yourself, maybe, just maybe, you have a problem :whistle:
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 01, 2015, 07:07:31 PM
I think 50 is a better rounded number. Gotta keep your options open.
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+1 :D
Post by: jerseydevil on November 02, 2015, 01:36:33 AM
Post by: ducttapetech on November 02, 2015, 01:16:00 PM
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Post by: Chako on November 03, 2015, 01:49:28 AM
Post by: David on November 03, 2015, 02:40:37 AM
I think 50 is a better rounded number. Gotta keep your options open.
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:tu:
Post by: David on November 03, 2015, 02:41:06 AM
You need a nice Brown Bess in your life, Chako..... :pok: Flintlocks are fun!
:tu:
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on November 04, 2015, 07:33:38 PM
(Oupa se Haelgeweer :salute: )
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on November 04, 2015, 07:51:17 PM
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Post by: SAK Guy on November 04, 2015, 08:04:19 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 04, 2015, 10:36:50 PM
Post by: kirk13 on November 04, 2015, 10:51:25 PM
At last, Grandfather's little shotgun:
(Oupa se Haelgeweer :salute: )
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Absolutely gorgeous GG! Nice six gun too :tu:
Post by: Chako on November 05, 2015, 01:43:09 AM
I had to look up the .22 caliber extra long. Looks like they stopped making them in 1935 as far as commercial ammunition goes. It also appears you may be able to use .22 LR instead. :tu:
Just came back from the gun clubs usual Wednesday night fundraising meals. I went home after work to pick up my two percussion sidelocks and got to fire them a few times each. They both worked great. The TC New Englander is a much heavier piece and absorbs a lot of kick. The lighter Traditions Deerhunter has a nice kick to it. Patch and ball is neat. I do know I may want to invest in something where I can quickly poor my measured FFG powder for several shots. I found having to measure each and every time a little tedious.
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 05, 2015, 03:18:15 AM
Interesting shotgun your grandfather had. I have never seen anything like that. Nice revolver...what caliber is it?
I had to look up the .22 caliber extra long. Looks like they stopped making them in 1935 as far as commercial ammunition goes. It also appears you may be able to use .22 LR instead. :tu:
Just came back from the gun clubs usual Wednesday night fundraising meals. I went home after work to pick up my two percussion sidelocks and got to fire them a few times each. They both worked great. The TC New Englander is a much heavier piece and absorbs a lot of kick. The lighter Traditions Deerhunter has a nice kick to it. Patch and ball is neat. I do know I may want to invest in something where I can quickly poor my measured FFG powder for several shots. I found having to measure each and every time a little tedious.
You might want to look into pre-made paper cartridges.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_cartridge
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on November 05, 2015, 06:58:01 AM
Interesting shotgun your grandfather had. I have never seen anything like that. Nice revolver...what caliber is it?
I had to look up the .22 caliber extra long. Looks like they stopped making them in 1935 as far as commercial ammunition goes. It also appears you may be able to use .22 LR instead. :tu:
Just came back from the gun clubs usual Wednesday night fundraising meals. I went home after work to pick up my two percussion sidelocks and got to fire them a few times each. They both worked great. The TC New Englander is a much heavier piece and absorbs a lot of kick. The lighter Traditions Deerhunter has a nice kick to it. Patch and ball is neat. I do know I may want to invest in something where I can quickly poor my measured FFG powder for several shots. I found having to measure each and every time a little tedious.
My father found it in a box on the farm with a hammer spring broken and the stock broken/missing as well.
There's no manufacturers name we could find anywhere, maybe on the stock....?
Thanks for bringing the .22 information to my attention, we've always just used LR.
It's a Ruger Blackhawk .357 :tu:
:facepalm: This flintlock blackpowder stuff sounds like too much fun, why can't I play? :rofl:
Post by: Chako on November 05, 2015, 12:06:40 PM
Post by: rebel on November 05, 2015, 02:37:09 PM
How does a .22 Extra Long compare to a .22 Long Rifle?
I have never heard of .22 Extra long. AFAIK there were .22 short, .22 long, .22 LR, and .22 mag.
.22 long has been long obsolete (pun intended). The other ones are still selling last time i looked. Check Frank Barnes' "Cartridges of the World" for info on this and other fascination info.
Post by: jerseydevil on November 05, 2015, 06:20:02 PM
Post by: dks on November 06, 2015, 05:39:40 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on November 07, 2015, 05:23:06 AM
I'm pretty sure there was a .22 XL back in the day. I don't have my copy of Barnes handy at the moment. It was probably a Stevens blackpowder round. For a long time in the US, the .25 Stevens was an extremely popular rimfire round.
There was a .22 XL for sure.
My Dad had one till well into my teens. Of course there was no ammo to be found for it.
Good thing .22lr, short and long would shoot out of it.
Post by: David on November 07, 2015, 05:43:43 AM
Going for a sore shoulder.. :)
Nothing like a good case of shooter shoulder. :tu: :)
Post by: Chako on November 08, 2015, 03:12:09 AM
I was so happy that this lengthy episode is over, I took a few photos to share with you guys.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9841small_zpssxpp1fmf.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9841small_zpssxpp1fmf.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9843small_zpsnaaqxoel.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9843small_zpsnaaqxoel.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9844small_zps3hrglhij.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9844small_zps3hrglhij.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9845small_zpsuhlfmyci.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9845small_zpsuhlfmyci.jpg.html)
Post by: SAK Guy on November 08, 2015, 04:16:52 AM
Post by: Chako on November 08, 2015, 05:59:00 AM
Post by: dks on November 08, 2015, 03:11:26 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on November 08, 2015, 04:34:15 PM
Post by: dks on November 08, 2015, 04:35:23 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 09, 2015, 04:39:48 AM
I was so happy that this lengthy episode is over, I took a few photos to share with you guys.
Given your ongoing problems, you might hold off on relief until the sight is installed and the pistol test fired. :pok:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on November 10, 2015, 02:25:06 AM
I was so happy that this lengthy episode is over, I took a few photos to share with you guys.
Given your ongoing problems, you might hold off on relief until the sight is installed and the pistol test fired. :pok:
Not being a jerk but I have thought maybe you should sell all the firearms you have and just buy a few really good ones Chako.
Post by: captain spaulding on November 10, 2015, 05:24:36 AM
I was so happy that this lengthy episode is over, I took a few photos to share with you guys.
Given your ongoing problems, you might hold off on relief until the sight is installed and the pistol test fired. :pok:
Not being a jerk but I have thought maybe you should sell all the firearms you have and just buy a few really good ones Chako.
To be completely honest I think that wouldn't be a bad plan at all. Having a few high end firearms (in my opinion) is better and will give you a much more enjoyable experience.
One problem though. Chako doesn't sell. :twak:
Post by: Chako on November 10, 2015, 12:49:43 PM
I don't think Savage makes junk. Neither does Ruger, Browning, or Smith&Wesson. The Hi-Point is actually quite good for the price. I have no complaints on that. The revolvers I have are good with no complaints. That Norinco shoot accurately and feels good in the hand. Having the front blade assembly fly off never to be seen again can happen to anyone. Fact is, quite a few members have had that same thing happen to them on better and more expensive handguns in the past. So is that the fault of Norinco? My Hatsan 12 gauge eats everything I feed it with nary an issue. The only piece I will have to agree is with that Remington 870, but it would appear to have all its gremlins exorcised out of it. My SKSs are great pieces.
So not sure what you mean by fewer "quality" pieces. :think:
Post by: dks on November 10, 2015, 01:18:03 PM
The shotgun I shoot the most is the cheapest and newest that I have. It is not expensive but it is a good quality, reliable product.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on November 10, 2015, 07:56:52 PM
That is true...and I am quite content with what I have. I have a good assortment of various quality firearms really.
I don't think Savage makes junk. Neither does Ruger, Browning, or Smith&Wesson. The Hi-Point is actually quite good for the price. I have no complaints on that. The revolvers I have are good with no complaints. That Norinco shoot accurately and feels good in the hand. Having the front blade assembly fly off never to be seen again can happen to anyone. Fact is, quite a few members have had that same thing happen to them on better and more expensive handguns in the past. So is that the fault of Norinco? My Hatsan 12 gauge eats everything I feed it with nary an issue. The only piece I will have to agree is with that Remington 870, but it would appear to have all its gremlins exorcised out of it. My SKSs are great pieces.
So not sure what you mean by fewer "quality" pieces. :think:
We will have to agree to disagree.
I love Savage, Ruger, Browning and Smith, great builders of quality firearms.
Norinco and High Point not so much. Although I have heard others say High Point is ok for the price, just had not been my experience.
I am glad you are happy because that is all that really matters.
Post by: anon on November 10, 2015, 10:15:51 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 12, 2015, 05:53:03 AM
Post by: Chako on November 14, 2015, 06:57:40 PM
So, I did look at what they had, which most of them costing 1000+ dollars...just for something to plink at the range, sort of made me hesitate in buying one. I then noticed an odd looking rifle. My attention perked up when I found out it was a single shot in 223 Remington. You know the rest of the story...
Meet the newest member, a used NEF Survivor. This interesting rifle can be torn down into a small package perfect for backpacking. When assembled, there is enough room in the for-stock and rifle butt to store a nice survival kit, and extra ammunition.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9856small_zpsqcwqz0xn.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9856small_zpsqcwqz0xn.jpg.html)
A closeup of the stock markings.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9859small_zpsvsyciafx.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9859small_zpsvsyciafx.jpg.html)
The rifle is a single shot...which I sort of like considering it will only be a range gun...but if I ever wanted to hunt with it, I am allowed. The ARs are restricted which means range only. I might add, this is a super easy gun to clean.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9860small_zpsjktyjsbu.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9860small_zpsjktyjsbu.jpg.html)
The forearm is easily removed via this screw.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9861small_zpsvjyfo7db.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9861small_zpsvjyfo7db.jpg.html)
There is enough room in there to hide small survival gear if needed.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9864small_zpsmwjjjdzg.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9864small_zpsmwjjjdzg.jpg.html)
The butt compartment is accessed via another knurled screw.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9862small_zps28q0tr8z.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9862small_zps28q0tr8z.jpg.html)
The end swivels around a fixed point. You can store ammo, etc in here. The compartment is not waterproof however.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9863small_zpsoi55zfep.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9863small_zpsoi55zfep.jpg.html)
With the forearm removed, simply unhook the barrel from the receiver. This design makes this probably one of the easiest firearms to clean as everything is easily accessed. It also makes it super easy to stow away in a backpack or other small compartment.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9865small_zpshml7wzon.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9865small_zpshml7wzon.jpg.html)
Can't wait to take this out to the range to sight in. I bought 40 rounds of the cheapest stuff I could find (Winchester 55 grain FMJ) to see what will happen. Then I will have to try various brands to see what this rifle likes the most. I may change the Bushnell scope if I can't get along with it down the road.
Post by: Chako on November 15, 2015, 12:27:52 AM
https://www.zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=72375
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on November 15, 2015, 01:22:10 AM
Thinking .357 Mag that way I can shoot subsonic.38 wadcutters through my YHM suppressor. Stupid quiet with no action sound or supersonic crack and ammo is crazy cheap.
Oh I forgot to add I also love me some .223 bolt or single rifle. Mine is a Mossberg MVP with a Bushnell Mil/Mil 3x10 scope on it.
Post by: ironraven on November 15, 2015, 06:36:24 AM
Post by: Chako on November 15, 2015, 08:23:38 AM
Here is a size comparison of all the ammo types I need to keep in stock these days.
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(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9871small_zps4az8wnty.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9871small_zps4az8wnty.jpg.html)
From left to right: 12 Gauge, 30.06, 7.62x39, .223 Remington, 45 Colt, 45 ACP, 9 mm, .22 LR.
Post by: Chako on November 15, 2015, 11:20:34 PM
I had an issue with my first shot. The extractor wasn't working as it should. I didn't take my range bag with me today but lucky for me, there was someone else there who was willing to lend me a few drops of oil. I worked the action a dozen time or so and eventually the extractor was brought back to life. Now it ejects shells a good 30 feet behind. So a little oil revived the ejector.
I shot around 30 rounds today and I am not quite sighted in, but then I wasn't in much of a hurry to sight this in either. I was more interested in shooting a little grouping and then moving the scope a little to see what difference that made. What I do know is this is now officially my favorite rifle. I really love the simplicity of a single shot. I thought it would be an issue, but I can load this as fast as a bolt action with magazine.
Here is my first sight in target set at 25 yards. I sort of incrementally walked them in, firing 2 rounds at each setting. Once I was sort of zeroed in, I started shooting the corner targets.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9874small_zpszi6onz9l.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9874small_zpszi6onz9l.jpg.html)
Then I moved to the 100 yard target. Unfortunately, my club only has a 100 yard long rifle range. You can see how I kept shooting groupings of 2. I wasn't exactly where I wanted, as this took a little more finessing, but I was getting fairly close towards the end. I think I may just keep that Bushnell ScopeChief VI after all. Nothing wrong with that scope.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9875small_zps1uuziddb.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9875small_zps1uuziddb.jpg.html)
So here are my thoughts on the NEF Survivor. The weight of the rifle with that heavy bull barrel combined with the 223 Remington makes for a sweet shooter with little recoil. I have heard that break action rifles are accurate, and I know my SKS can't do what this rifle did. This is one accurate rifle...more so than the shooter I dare say.
ironraven, I have found the stock to be rather nice overall. The butt is narrow, but somehow that makes this a comfortable gun to shoot. I was expecting it to dig in, but it never did. I think this would be more uncomfortable with a more powerful round, as there really isn't much in the term of recoil absorption material wise.
:D <--- me with a silly grin on my face after shooting this sweet firearm.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on November 15, 2015, 11:51:12 PM
Nice shooting!
Post by: David on November 16, 2015, 12:36:20 AM
Post by: Chako on November 16, 2015, 12:37:44 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on November 16, 2015, 12:57:03 AM
Thanks, I bought a little 6 to 9" bipod for it.
And a rear bag?
Post by: Chako on November 16, 2015, 01:07:03 AM
Post by: jerseydevil on November 16, 2015, 01:13:17 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on November 16, 2015, 01:17:58 AM
Nice, Chako. :tu: That particular rifle was made by Harrington & Richardson for many years in many different calibers and configurations. My dad has one in .45-70. A word of warning about the .223. The civilian and military chambering specs are different, so be careful shooting surplus 5.56x45 NATO.
What JD said. Although anything chambered for 5.56 will shoot any .223 fine.
This is my small group set up along with my Ruger 10/22.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150514_122712_243.jpg~original) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150514_122712_243.jpg.html)
An attempt at the tackdriver game at 25 yards.
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Post by: ColoSwiss on November 16, 2015, 01:23:10 AM
Harley, very nice shooting. :salute:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on November 16, 2015, 01:38:33 AM
Green Mountain match barrel, Handmade Walnut stock with a bedding job and Kidd trigger shooting Wolf Match Target ammo.
Post by: Chako on November 17, 2015, 02:04:08 AM
Nice shooting Harley. :tu:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on November 17, 2015, 03:42:54 AM
I have a Ruger 10/22 and I don't think it is a tack driver at all. Mind you, stock barrel, stock trigger, and cheap Remington Golden Bullets. Not bad, but not as good as this NEF Survivor.
Nice shooting Harley. :tu:
A Green Mountain barrel is not expensive and would make a huge difference.
Not sure if they can be had up north though.
Post by: Chako on November 18, 2015, 12:13:08 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 25, 2015, 09:50:53 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on November 25, 2015, 10:20:57 PM
My Christmas gift to myself. Beretta Brigadier Inox, 9mm P. Just put 200 rounds through it without a hitch. First couple of boxes were pretty scattered, but its starting to tighten up the groups.
Your probably just getting used to the trigger pull. Great looking piece by the way!
Post by: Chako on November 25, 2015, 11:20:09 PM
Here are mine at the moment.
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Top row: Norinco 1911A1 in 45 ACP, S&W M&P in 9 mm.
Middle row: Cimmeron Plinkerton in 22 LR, Uberti 1873 Single Action Army in 45 Colt.
Bottom row: Buck Mark in 22 LR.
Post by: Chako on November 28, 2015, 03:34:11 PM
I finally got to installing some proper hooks on the solid wooden door for my competition belts. Now I have one for the 1911 and another for the M&P. These Uncle Mike belts are rather nice. The inner belt is padded, and the outer belt contains all the mag holders and holsters. I bought a few pairs of cargo pants that will be perfect for IPSC and 3 gun competitions. Eventually, these belts will be replaced by pants with the belts already on them. I am trying my darnedest to streamline everything to make things super convenient. Prior to these belts, I struggled to attach the 3 ammo carriers and holster onto my good leather belt, and thread all of that through the belt loops. This makes much more sense.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9885small_zps6hu0809v.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9885small_zps6hu0809v.jpg.html)
Here is a quick shot of my little gun room while in the process of organizing. The biggest thing I did was to remove the safe from this room and reinstall the smaller 8 gun cabinet. I needed the extra storage. Also, I can keep the one hard long gun case to the left of the smaller gun cabinet, as there is enough room to do so. All the rest will go upstairs into storage.
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I am very happy with the new ammo locker. I bought another of these re-usable Stack-On dehumidifiers. I like these as you just plug them into any electrical socket to rejuvenate them when the indicator tells you to. I also keep all of my magazines in here for the time being, as I have the extra room.
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(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9895small_zps5dodoieb.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9895small_zps5dodoieb.jpg.html)
This is the largish back shelf. I still have a pair of my bows up there, and some empty boxes that I will eventually throw out I guess. I will try to keep this clear of gear. I had this piled quite high of various things. Eventually I couldn't find what I wanted. I fixed that by buying 4 medium sized clear storage totes.
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On top of the ammo locker, I have these 4 totes and all of my cleaning materials. Neat, and easy to access. I also now know where everything is. I guess I could label them for more organizational bonus points. Something I might do in the future.
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On the opposite shelf, I now store my new shooting rest. I haven't used it, but I hope this will help in sighting in rifles with scopes.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9898small_zpsciwioij3.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9898small_zpsciwioij3.jpg.html)
With all of the firearms out of their transportation cases...this should be better for rust prevention. Also, I no longer have to hunt firearms in locked cases. It got to be that I didn't know where everything was. I now also store my handguns on the top shelf. I will need to buy another handgun organizer down the road.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9899small_zpszasjrisc.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9899small_zpszasjrisc.jpg.html)
And for the smaller gun cabinet, well that is now perfect for much of my airguns and other firearms...room for more I guess.
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So the plan is to make things easier to find, and also not to get overly lazy.
Post by: Chako on November 28, 2015, 08:37:37 PM
My first target at 15 yards distance. I shot 2-7 round clips.
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Then I backed up to around 35 yards.
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I will have to say, the 1911 is a real nice natural pointer.
Post by: captain spaulding on November 28, 2015, 08:46:32 PM
By the way. Its magazine, not clips. They are two different things. Sorry, but it just bugs me. :D
(http://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Clip-vs.-Magazine.jpg)
Post by: David on November 28, 2015, 09:14:16 PM
Glad shes shooting right. :tu:
By the way. Its magazine, not clips. They are two different things. Sorry, but it just bugs me. :D
(http://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Clip-vs.-Magazine.jpg)
Your in good company capt. It bugged Jeff Cooper also!
Post by: jerseydevil on November 28, 2015, 11:34:50 PM
Glad shes shooting right. :tu:
By the way. Its magazine, not clips. They are two different things. Sorry, but it just bugs me. :D
(http://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Clip-vs.-Magazine.jpg)
Your in good company capt. It bugged Jeff Cooper also!
Drives me nuts too!
Post by: Chako on November 29, 2015, 12:34:20 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on November 29, 2015, 12:43:00 AM
Maybe why I do it. >:D :D
I wouldn't be surprised if you did. >:D
Post by: jerseydevil on November 29, 2015, 03:32:21 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 29, 2015, 05:57:44 AM
If you want to get REALLY technical, a clip is only used in weapons using a Mannlicher-style magazine, where the rounds are kept in the magazine by the clip, which (not always) falls out of the weapon when the last round is chambered. What we call "stripper clips" here in the US are correctly known as chargers.
What about an M-1 Garand? :D
Post by: Chako on November 29, 2015, 01:41:20 PM
Yes yes, I know, I am in need of a :twak: or two. :D
<---promises to be on his best behaviour. :salute:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on November 29, 2015, 06:55:06 PM
I loaded them clips with 7 bullets each. >:D :whistle:
Yes yes, I know, I am in need of a :twak: or two. :D
<---promises to be on his best behaviour. :salute:
Sigh.
Nice shooting with that .45 though.
Post by: jerseydevil on November 30, 2015, 03:51:48 AM
If you want to get REALLY technical, a clip is only used in weapons using a Mannlicher-style magazine, where the rounds are kept in the magazine by the clip, which (not always) falls out of the weapon when the last round is chambered. What we call "stripper clips" here in the US are correctly known as chargers.
What about an M-1 Garand? :D
Clip. The Garand's magazine is similar to a Mannlicher, in that the rounds are en bloc and the magazine can't be topped off when partially empty. It just goes up instead of down when the last round is gone. :)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on November 30, 2015, 03:56:26 AM
If you want to get REALLY technical, a clip is only used in weapons using a Mannlicher-style magazine, where the rounds are kept in the magazine by the clip, which (not always) falls out of the weapon when the last round is chambered. What we call "stripper clips" here in the US are correctly known as chargers.
What about an M-1 Garand? :D
Clip. The Garand's magazine is similar to a Mannlicher, in that the rounds are en bloc and the magazine can't be topped off when partially empty. It just goes up instead of down when the last round is gone. :)
And makes a sweet "ping!" noise.
Post by: Gareth on November 30, 2015, 06:59:13 PM
If you want to get REALLY technical, a clip is only used in weapons using a Mannlicher-style magazine, where the rounds are kept in the magazine by the clip, which (not always) falls out of the weapon when the last round is chambered. What we call "stripper clips" here in the US are correctly known as chargers.
What about an M-1 Garand? :D
Clip. The Garand's magazine is similar to a Mannlicher, in that the rounds are en bloc and the magazine can't be topped off when partially empty. It just goes up instead of down when the last round is gone. :)
And makes a sweet "ping!" noise.
The "ping" that told everyone who was listening that you were out of ammo. ;)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on November 30, 2015, 09:29:00 PM
If you want to get REALLY technical, a clip is only used in weapons using a Mannlicher-style magazine, where the rounds are kept in the magazine by the clip, which (not always) falls out of the weapon when the last round is chambered. What we call "stripper clips" here in the US are correctly known as chargers.
What about an M-1 Garand? :D
Clip. The Garand's magazine is similar to a Mannlicher, in that the rounds are en bloc and the magazine can't be topped off when partially empty. It just goes up instead of down when the last round is gone. :)
And makes a sweet "ping!" noise.
The "ping" that told everyone who was listening that you were out of ammo. ;)
Gunny Ermry did a test of that and according to him you could not hear it over the sound of the shot. Can not remember what tvshow it was on.
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 01, 2015, 12:06:48 AM
Make my day! :D
Post by: Chako on December 01, 2015, 02:46:54 AM
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Post by: Chako on December 05, 2015, 01:37:58 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on December 05, 2015, 02:03:52 AM
Well, I got excited when I stumbled upon a Winchester 55 grain FMJ plastic ammo container of 220 rounds at the local Canadian Tire store last night. I mean, I did the quick math, and I got 2-20 round boxes plus the plastic ammo container for free over buying the same amount in individual boxes. Now I just wished I could buy ammo at American prices. I get a hardware store flyer from Sault Michigan delivered to my door with the rest of the local store flyers, and I can say, AR type rifles and ammo are dirt cheap south of the border. :facepalm:
May start to get higher priced and scarce down here. :(
Post by: Chako on December 06, 2015, 12:18:32 AM
1. Deluxe set of 45 Colt dies + extra turret plate.
2. Primer attachment.
3. Now I can reload rifle cartridges down the road...so I can see myself possibly getting into 30.06, and other calibers later.
I will say right now, Lee instructions suck out of the box. They do not compare to Dillon Precision instructions for ease of reading, and making sense.
Post by: jerseydevil on December 06, 2015, 12:27:06 AM
Has anyone else here ever used a Lee Loader set in the red plastic box? I've got them for several calibers.
Post by: SAK Guy on December 06, 2015, 12:53:52 AM
:popcorn: Let's see how long it takes Chako to blow himself up..... >:D
Has anyone else here ever used a Lee Loader set in the red plastic box? I've got them for several calibers.
I was going to get some....then RA changed my mind...wanted a Lyman hand loader as well. :facepalm:
Post by: Chako on December 06, 2015, 01:00:22 AM
Post by: Chako on December 06, 2015, 01:51:57 AM
Post by: David on December 06, 2015, 05:39:15 AM
:popcorn: Let's see how long it takes Chako to blow himself up..... >:D
Has anyone else here ever used a Lee Loader set in the red plastic box? I've got them for several calibers.
:D :popcorn:
Post by: Chako on December 06, 2015, 12:56:29 PM
Well, I um, er...guess there goes my dreams of wildcat and magnum charges. :facepalm: :rofl:
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 07, 2015, 01:20:10 AM
Oh ye of little faith.
Well, I um, er...guess there goes my dreams of wildcat and magnum charges. :facepalm: :rofl:
Be very careful reloading! Eyes and fingers are not replaceable.
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 07, 2015, 01:46:17 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Defender_Mark_I
Post by: jerseydevil on December 07, 2015, 04:56:14 AM
Post by: Chako on December 09, 2015, 03:11:41 AM
Just doing some TLC.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_9954small_zpsk0srkwqo.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_9954small_zpsk0srkwqo.jpg.html)
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 09, 2015, 08:16:15 AM
Post by: Alan K. on December 09, 2015, 09:30:18 AM
Post by: Chako on December 09, 2015, 12:25:36 PM
Seriously though, I like this over my M&P 9 mm. I am thinking of maybe getting a 1911 in 9 mm down the road.
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 09, 2015, 01:29:36 PM
I just wanted something flashy in a holster at my IPSC competitions. :rofl:
Seriously though, I like this over my M&P 9 mm. I am thinking of maybe getting a 1911 in 9 mm down the road.
Check out a CZ-75 or Browning Hi-Power.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 09, 2015, 06:38:31 PM
I just wanted something flashy in a holster at my IPSC competitions. :rofl:
Seriously though, I like this over my M&P 9 mm. I am thinking of maybe getting a 1911 in 9 mm down the road.
Oh no, while 1911 9mm is fine, CZ is where it is at when it comes to DA/SA or SA 9mm.
If you get one send it to me and I will get Cajun Gun Works to do it up right. They did my P 07 and it is far and away the best pistol trigger I have ever used.
Edit bacuse pictures are cool.
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Post by: jerseydevil on December 09, 2015, 07:44:38 PM
I've got several Lee Loaders that I've never tried either, but I think I only paid $5.00 each for them. I got .357, 30-06, 30-30, and another one that I can't remember. I like the idea of having them, but I'm too scared of blowing myself up to try them. Guy I got them from said he used to load ammo while watching TV and never had any problems. I don't think that's such a good idea.
Watching TV while handloading is probably a bad idea. :think: I have Lee Loaders in .30-06, 7x57 Mauser, 7.5x55 Swiss, .303 British, and 6.5x52 Carcano. I had one for 7.7 Japanese, but traded it to a friend who has four(!) unground Arisakas. That's where I got the Carcano one. My friend and his father think the Carcano is crap, while my father and I think it's a very underrated rifle.....
Post by: jzmtl on December 18, 2015, 01:11:11 AM
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Post by: SAK Guy on December 18, 2015, 01:27:32 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on December 18, 2015, 02:01:51 AM
Looks fine!!!! :cheers:
Kinda looks backwards. :think:
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 18, 2015, 02:21:02 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on December 18, 2015, 02:37:51 AM
Looks fine!!!! :cheers:
Kinda looks backwards. :think:
I like that style of scope. I used to have a Leupold 1-4 on a Colt Sauer 30-06 (shouldn't have sold that one) and it was fantastic.
Post by: jzmtl on December 18, 2015, 03:14:45 AM
Going to take it to the range hopefully sometime before new year and see how it works.
Post by: ducttapetech on December 18, 2015, 03:18:30 AM
Post by: jzmtl on December 18, 2015, 05:54:41 AM
The base has thumbscrew for quick removal, I'll have to test how much POI changes with reinstallation.
Post by: Chako on December 19, 2015, 08:03:06 AM
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Post by: jzmtl on December 19, 2015, 06:29:35 PM
Post by: Gareth on December 19, 2015, 08:40:24 PM
No 50 cal pistol? :D I was plinking my .22lr at the pistol range, there's a guy shooting 50 cal pistol two stalls down. I felt a little, er, inadequate. :-[
I've shot .50 cal pistol. I felt a little, er, intimidated. :-[
Post by: Chako on December 19, 2015, 09:25:20 PM
Post by: kirk13 on December 19, 2015, 09:37:27 PM
No 50 cal pistol? :D I was plinking my .22lr at the pistol range, there's a guy shooting 50 cal pistol two stalls down. I felt a little, er, inadequate. :-[
I've shot .50 cal pistol. I felt a little, er, intimidated. :-[
It's not about how big,it about how you use it ;) :pok: ;)
Post by: Smashie on December 19, 2015, 09:58:35 PM
No 50 cal pistol? :D I was plinking my .22lr at the pistol range, there's a guy shooting 50 cal pistol two stalls down. I felt a little, er, inadequate. :-[
I've shot .50 cal pistol. I felt a little, er, intimidated. :-[
It's not about how big,it about how you use it ;) :pok: ;)
You keep telling yourself that John
Post by: kirk13 on December 19, 2015, 11:26:30 PM
No 50 cal pistol? :D I was plinking my .22lr at the pistol range, there's a guy shooting 50 cal pistol two stalls down. I felt a little, er, inadequate. :-[
I've shot .50 cal pistol. I felt a little, er, intimidated. :-[
It's not about how big,it about how you use it ;) :pok: ;)
You keep telling yourself that John
I don't have a choice Mark!
Post by: Gareth on December 19, 2015, 11:37:34 PM
No 50 cal pistol? :D I was plinking my .22lr at the pistol range, there's a guy shooting 50 cal pistol two stalls down. I felt a little, er, inadequate. :-[
I've shot .50 cal pistol. I felt a little, er, intimidated. :-[
It's not about how big,it about how you use it ;) :pok: ;)
Hey, I put both shots in the black I'll have you know. 8)
Post by: jerseydevil on December 20, 2015, 01:47:40 AM
45 Colt is about as big as I want to go at the moment. Who knows what the future might hold though.
There was an extremely powerful loading of the .45 Colt, the .45 M1909, used in the Colt M1909 revolver. This was issued to troops in the Philippines before the M1911 was adopted. Basically a .45 magnum, this remains the most powerful sidearm ever issued to a military force. The rim of the case is wider than the standard .45 Colt, to prevent the round from chambering in older weapons. The pressures involved would blow an old Colt Single Action Army to bits.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 20, 2015, 02:07:58 AM
45 Colt is about as big as I want to go at the moment. Who knows what the future might hold though.
There was an extremely powerful loading of the .45 Colt, the .45 M1909, used in the Colt M1909 revolver. This was issued to troops in the Philippines before the M1911 was adopted. Basically a .45 magnum, this remains the most powerful sidearm ever issued to a military force. The rim of the case is wider than the standard .45 Colt, to prevent the round from chambering in older weapons. The pressures involved would blow an old Colt Single Action Army to bits.
This was to combat the enemy who was using some sort of drug to resist damage or something to that effect. If memory serves.
Or maybe in responds to the lack of effectiveness of the .38 that was issues previously.
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 20, 2015, 02:30:48 AM
Post by: jerseydevil on December 20, 2015, 03:33:25 AM
45 Colt is about as big as I want to go at the moment. Who knows what the future might hold though.
There was an extremely powerful loading of the .45 Colt, the .45 M1909, used in the Colt M1909 revolver. This was issued to troops in the Philippines before the M1911 was adopted. Basically a .45 magnum, this remains the most powerful sidearm ever issued to a military force. The rim of the case is wider than the standard .45 Colt, to prevent the round from chambering in older weapons. The pressures involved would blow an old Colt Single Action Army to bits.
This was to combat the enemy who was using some sort of drug to resist damage or something to that effect. If memory serves.
Or maybe in responds to the lack of effectiveness of the .38 that was issues previously.
The .38 Long Colt that was issued starting in 1889 sucked as a combat cartridge. There's a confirmed case of a Filippino prisoner who was shot six times with one while trying to escape. What stopped him? A club to the head from a Krag. He walked out of the hospital a week later!
In the southern Phillipines, the Muslim Moros would wrap wet leather around their torsos. When this dried it prevented hydraulic shock from bullets. They would get worked up and go see how many Americans they could kill with a sword. The .38 was completely worthless in this situation, and old .45 Colt revolvers were re-issued. Even the .30-40 Krag rifle cartridge had limited stopping power in an engagement like this, and a replacement rifle and cartridge were developed. These were the M1903 Springfield and the .30-06.
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 20, 2015, 05:46:28 AM
Post by: Chako on December 29, 2015, 12:50:25 AM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0250small_zpszylwgwvc.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0250small_zpszylwgwvc.jpg.html)
See what I mean?
Anyways, I bought two boxes of this...
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Which means I am close to the time of buying a more modern revolver. Not sure if the local gun shop is open tomorrow, but I will take a look and see what is available. Now I have a little added incentive. :D
Post by: Gareth on December 29, 2015, 01:25:50 AM
Post by: Chako on December 29, 2015, 01:52:30 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 29, 2015, 02:08:12 AM
Hang on, is that you buying ammo for a pistol you don't own yet? Or maybe you do by now. :D
The first step is admitting you have a problem.
Post by: Alan K. on December 29, 2015, 02:47:21 AM
Over the years I have purchased firearms just because ________ .
A) I had a box of ammo with nothing to shoot it out of
B) I had a holster for it
C) I had a sling for it
D) I had a scope for it
E) I had a bayonet, ammo pouch, or other military issue accessories for it
F) it was a good price
G) I needed it for a picture
H) ending the sentence at "just because" was enough, without filling in the blank.
I) all of the above.
In my own case the answer is definitely I) all of the above.
Post by: Chako on December 29, 2015, 02:58:36 AM
Post by: kirk13 on December 29, 2015, 02:38:00 PM
I have a plan..not a problem. :gimme:
Dan,that's slightly more worrying!
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 29, 2015, 05:44:53 PM
Chako is not so unusual in his pursuit. Whether you are a collector or an accumulator, fill in the blank if this applies to you.
Over the years I have purchased firearms just because ________ .
A) I had a box of ammo with nothing to shoot it out of
B) I had a holster for it
C) I had a sling for it
D) I had a scope for it
E) I had a bayonet, ammo pouch, or other military issue accessories for it
F) it was a good price
G) I needed it for a picture
H) ending the sentence at "just because" was enough, without filling in the blank.
I) all of the above.
In my own case the answer is definitely I) all of the above.
I use to answer I for sure but I am all better now. Have not bought a firearm in a long while.
Ammo and reloading stuff on the other hand.
Post by: Chako on December 29, 2015, 07:37:39 PM
Well that will have to wait till Saturday as the local gun shop has taken a vacation till then. Give me more time to research. :D
Post by: Humppa on December 29, 2015, 08:32:49 PM
The gun is a chechoslovakian Brno Zbrojovka; made in 1972. Each part is made of steel and no alu-press like on other guns. Nice and heavy rifle with a great looking walnut stock. This thing was owned by a hunter who died. He did not shoot that gun very much.
Looking forward on the ammo testing :D
Post by: kirk13 on December 29, 2015, 08:42:11 PM
Got a semi-auto rifle in .22 lr home today for testing. Gonna go to the fire range on thursday morning.
The gun is a chechoslovakian Brno Zbrojovka; made in 1972. Each part is made of steel and no alu-press like on other guns. Nice and heavy rifle with a great looking walnut stock. This thing was owned by a hunter who died. He did not shoot that gun very much.
Looking forward on the ammo testing :D
:worthless:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 29, 2015, 09:04:48 PM
I have one more to buy and then I am done. I hope lol.
Well that will have to wait till Saturday as the local gun shop has taken a vacation till then. Give me more time to research. :D
Smith and Wesson Model 19. So good.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 29, 2015, 09:05:43 PM
Got a semi-auto rifle in .22 lr home today for testing. Gonna go to the fire range on thursday morning.
The gun is a chechoslovakian Brno Zbrojovka; made in 1972. Each part is made of steel and no alu-press like on other guns. Nice and heavy rifle with a great looking walnut stock. This thing was owned by a hunter who died. He did not shoot that gun very much.
Looking forward on the ammo testing :D
:worthless:
This.
Also Brnos are great rifles.
Want to sell it. :pok:
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 29, 2015, 09:23:22 PM
I have one more to buy and then I am done. I hope lol.
Well that will have to wait till Saturday as the local gun shop has taken a vacation till then. Give me more time to research. :D
Smith and Wesson Model 19. So good.
Smith & Wesson Model 686 - even better. Somewhat beefier frame, stainless.
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Post by: Alan K. on December 30, 2015, 02:18:47 AM
Then I remembered that I did make a straight up trade a few months ago. Traded an old shotgun for an even older .22lr revolver. If a new gun comes into your possession it still counts, even if no money changed hands. :facepalm:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 30, 2015, 03:23:08 AM
I have one more to buy and then I am done. I hope lol.
Well that will have to wait till Saturday as the local gun shop has taken a vacation till then. Give me more time to research. :D
Smith and Wesson Model 19. So good.
Smith & Wesson Model 686 - even better. Somewhat beefier frame, stainless.
(top)
No.
Beautiful blued over boring stainless all day everyday. Just takes a little more work to keep it nice.
Talk to me about that sweet CZ though.
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 30, 2015, 05:16:41 AM
The CZ is a Model 75 SP-01 Shadow target pistol, from CZ's custom shop. Bought used. The original trigger was so light I had a gunsmith 'heavy' it up a bit.
(That blemish low down is a figment of your imagination, or a flyer from another shooter, or…)
Post by: Gareth on December 30, 2015, 12:18:54 PM
I have one more to buy and then I am done. I hope lol.
Well that will have to wait till Saturday as the local gun shop has taken a vacation till then. Give me more time to research. :D
The S&W Model 66 has always caught me eye.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-UF6CpThdk
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 30, 2015, 06:35:07 PM
The L-frame (like the 686) was developed for the .357 after the K-frame Model 19s had problems with prolonged use. Don't think S&W make the 19 anymore.
The CZ is a Model 75 SP-01 Shadow target pistol, from CZ's custom shop. Bought used. The original trigger was so light I had a gunsmith 'heavy' it up a bit.
(That blemish low down is a figment of your imagination, or a flyer from another shooter, or…)
I know the Model 19 dwell. Bought one new in the early 90s. They do not make the 19 anymore which makes me a sad panda.
Light trigger on the Shadow huh? Probably best you just sell it to me cheap. I have a CZ P07 which I love.
Post by: David on December 30, 2015, 07:40:49 PM
Post by: Chako on December 31, 2015, 04:17:50 PM
From what I can tell from the general online drift...
1. Smith & Wesson are pricier, but benefit from excellent fit and wonderful triggers.
2. Ruger is built like a tank, but fit and finish is lower, and the trigger not as good as the S&W.
3. Taurus comes a distinct third. Half appear to like them, the other half hate them due to poor fit and finish. Quite a few folks talking about their wheel guns jamming after some use due to poor workmanship. On the other hand, plenty of folks have found theirs dependable.
A little about what I want from a revolver.
1. I plan on using it for IPSC competitions. For this, I will need to buy a holster, multiple speed loaders, etc.
2. I have read that moonclips are great for shooting rimless ammunition. They have the added benefit of leaving your ammo attached together on the field of fire for easy pickup later...provided they are not stepped on of course. With that said, speed loaders are bulkier but are used for more traditional revolver ammunition. I have never used either.
3. I would be looking for something with a longer barrel. In Canada, to make it legal, the gun must have a 4 1/4" long barrel. Anything shorter and it is moved to the prohib section, meaning no can do. I am looking for something with a 5 or 6" barrel to give me a longer aiming plane. Whatever I do get, it should be easy to remove from a holster.
Here are the local gun shop prices as taken online.
Ruger GP-100 Revolver .357 Dbl Action 779.99
Ruger GP-141 357 Magnum 4.2' Blued 599.99
Ruger GP100 Double Action Revolver 357 Mag 4.2' Barrel 6 Round 899.99
Ruger GP100 Revolver .357 Mag 6' Blued Double Action Hogue Monogrip 749.99
Ruger GP100 Revolver 357mag Blued Double Action 769.99
Ruger GP100 Stainless Double Action Revolver Hogue Grip KGP-141 829.99
Ruger New Model Super Blackhawk 44 Mag 7.5' Limited Edition S47N-50 0815 959.99
Ruger New Model Super Blackhawk S458N 44mag 4-5/8' 0813 689.99
S&W 500 Revolver .500S&W 8.37' 5 Shot 1,399.99
S&W 586 Combat Mag 357 6' Barrel 6rds 949.99
S&W 629 Classic 44 Mag 5' 1,049.99
S&W 629-6 Compensated Hunter Custom 71/2' 44Mag 170181 1,409.99
S&W 686 357 Mag 4.25' BR 164107 899.99
S&W 686 357Mag/38Special 7' Stainless Laminate 929.99
S&W 686 Plus Dist Combat Mag .357 6'Barrel 999.99
Smith & Wesson 629 .44 Mag 107mm 1,029.99
Taurus 608 .357Mag. 6.5' 8 Rnds Adj. Sight 749.99
Taurus 627 Tracker .357Mag. 6.5' 2-627069 used 599.99
Taurus 627 Tracker Revolver 357 Mag 7 Round 699.99
Looks like the prices are fairly similar between all 3 manufacturers. So here is my question...in your opinion, which do you think is the best way to go? I was edging towards a Taurus 608 simply because it holds 8 rounds...but then I noticed a lot of negative talk about Taurus...and not sure if speed loaders might be an issue with an 8 round revolver. I was going to stay clear of S&W...but noticed they are only a hundred bucks or less from other models...at least what is sold at the local gun shop. I thought there would be more of a price difference between the S&W and Ruger...but that doesn't appear to be the case overly much. :think:
Post by: Chako on December 31, 2015, 05:31:11 PM
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on December 31, 2015, 05:48:12 PM
Well so far, the research is proving interesting.
From what I can tell from the general online drift...
1. Smith & Wesson are pricier, but benefit from excellent fit and wonderful triggers.
2. Ruger is built like a tank, but fit and finish is lower, and the trigger not as good as the S&W.
3. Taurus comes a distinct third. Half appear to like them, the other half hate them due to poor fit and finish. Quite a few folks talking about their wheel guns jamming after some use due to poor workmanship. On the other hand, plenty of folks have found theirs dependable.
A little about what I want from a revolver.
1. I plan on using it for IPSC competitions. For this, I will need to buy a holster, multiple speed loaders, etc.
2. I have read that moonclips are great for shooting rimless ammunition. They have the added benefit of leaving your ammo attached together on the field of fire for easy pickup later...provided they are not stepped on of course. With that said, speed loaders are bulkier but are used for more traditional revolver ammunition. I have never used either.
3. I would be looking for something with a longer barrel. In Canada, to make it legal, the gun must have a 4 1/4" long barrel. Anything shorter and it is moved to the prohib section, meaning no can do. I am looking for something with a 5 or 6" barrel to give me a longer aiming plane. Whatever I do get, it should be easy to remove from a holster.
Here are the local gun shop prices as taken online.
Ruger GP-100 Revolver .357 Dbl Action 779.99
Ruger GP-141 357 Magnum 4.2' Blued 599.99
Ruger GP100 Double Action Revolver 357 Mag 4.2' Barrel 6 Round 899.99
Ruger GP100 Revolver .357 Mag 6' Blued Double Action Hogue Monogrip 749.99
Ruger GP100 Revolver 357mag Blued Double Action 769.99
Ruger GP100 Stainless Double Action Revolver Hogue Grip KGP-141 829.99
Ruger New Model Super Blackhawk 44 Mag 7.5' Limited Edition S47N-50 0815 959.99
Ruger New Model Super Blackhawk S458N 44mag 4-5/8' 0813 689.99
S&W 500 Revolver .500S&W 8.37' 5 Shot 1,399.99
S&W 586 Combat Mag 357 6' Barrel 6rds 949.99
S&W 629 Classic 44 Mag 5' 1,049.99
S&W 629-6 Compensated Hunter Custom 71/2' 44Mag 170181 1,409.99
S&W 686 357 Mag 4.25' BR 164107 899.99
S&W 686 357Mag/38Special 7' Stainless Laminate 929.99
S&W 686 Plus Dist Combat Mag .357 6'Barrel 999.99
Smith & Wesson 629 .44 Mag 107mm 1,029.99
Taurus 608 .357Mag. 6.5' 8 Rnds Adj. Sight 749.99
Taurus 627 Tracker .357Mag. 6.5' 2-627069 used 599.99
Taurus 627 Tracker Revolver 357 Mag 7 Round 699.99
Looks like the prices are fairly similar between all 3 manufacturers. So here is my question...in your opinion, which do you think is the best way to go? I was edging towards a Taurus 608 simply because it holds 8 rounds...but then I noticed a lot of negative talk about Taurus...and not sure if speed loaders might be an issue with an 8 round revolver. I was going to stay clear of S&W...but noticed they are only a hundred bucks or less from other models...at least what is sold at the local gun shop. I thought there would be more of a price difference between the S&W and Ruger...but that doesn't appear to be the case overly much. :think:
This is a subject near to my heart as I grew up with a father who would mot use any pistol that did not have a cylinder and I love me some IPSC and IDPA.
Just say no to the Taurus. While they are not as bad as some people make them out to be they just dont stand up.to action pistol round counts. Better for occasional plinking if you get a nice price break maybe.
Most stages for revolver will be set up around 6 round strings with a mandatory reload anyway.
Moonclips will cut your reload time in half or more once you get good with them. They have the added bonus of being nowhere near as practice intensive as speed loaders are. There are a number of good gunsmiths who can cut any revolver for moon clips for you regardless of the caliber. So no need to.run 9mm or .45 ACP.
Ruger is indeed built like Fort Knox but there fit and finish is also top notch. I am of the opinion that most of the fit and finish bashing comes from the Smith and Wesson folks.
Post by: Chako on December 31, 2015, 06:02:06 PM
With that said, I noted only 2 others guys shooting 45 ACP, all others doing the 9 mm route. Noted nobody shooting revolvers. I asked last night while I was at the gun club and the older guys said they all shot with revolvers years ago but nobody does that anymore. I like to be different I guess.
Post by: ColoSwiss on January 01, 2016, 03:22:57 AM
The .500 and .44 are primarily hunting cartridges.
So a S&W or Ruger in .357 (will also handle .38 Special), with a 4 1/2" to 6" barrel, and adjustable sights. I prefer the 6" for the longer sight radius and the added weight to dampen recoil. A shorter barrel will clear a holster faster. The S&W will probably have a better trigger. The Ruger can be field striped like an auto pistol for cleaning. Handle a variety of each and see which feels better in your hand.
Post by: Chako on January 01, 2016, 03:58:30 AM
Post by: David on January 01, 2016, 04:34:56 AM
This is a subject near to my heart as I grew up with a father who would mot use any pistol that did not have a cylinder and I love me some IPSC and IDPA.
Just say no to the Taurus. While they are not as bad as some people make them out to be they just dont stand up.to action pistol round counts. Better for occasional plinking if you get a nice price break maybe.
Most stages for revolver will be set up around 6 round strings with a mandatory reload anyway.
Moonclips will cut your reload time in half or more once you get good with them. They have the added bonus of being nowhere near as practice intensive as speed loaders are. There are a number of good gunsmiths who can cut any revolver for moon clips for you regardless of the caliber. So no need to.run 9mm or .45 ACP.
Ruger is indeed built like Fort Knox but there fit and finish is also top notch. I am of the opinion that most of the fit and finish bashing comes from the Smith and Wesson folks.
I'd say you hit the nail square on the head there Mr Harley. :D
Post by: jerseydevil on January 01, 2016, 04:39:26 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 01, 2016, 05:49:22 AM
I've owned an S&W Model 19 Combat Magnum for many years. Such a beautiful piece.......
Mine was stolen many years ago. Someday I plan to have another.
As to barrel length Chako I am of the mind 4 inches balances well but is not to heavy. Recoil with .38 out of say a GP 100 is next to nothing so there is no need for more recoil dampening weight.
158 grain wadcutters out of a .38 will be subsonic and Super quiet out of a suppressor. Just saying.
Post by: Chako on January 01, 2016, 05:18:12 PM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0259small_zpsjddkspc0.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0259small_zpsjddkspc0.jpg.html)
Yep, that Fat Man Nuke looks good there for some reason. :rofl:
Post by: jerseydevil on January 01, 2016, 06:58:01 PM
A new year requires some silliness.
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Yep, that Fat Man Nuke looks good there for some reason. :rofl:
:ahhh the Canadians have nukes!
Post by: shark_za on January 01, 2016, 07:14:11 PM
Who can say what is different about it?
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Post by: captain spaulding on January 01, 2016, 07:38:10 PM
Post by: shark_za on January 01, 2016, 07:39:42 PM
I also have a normal 4 inch one and a 2.5 inch.
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Post by: Chako on January 01, 2016, 07:47:26 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on January 01, 2016, 07:58:42 PM
A new year requires some silliness.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0259small_zpsjddkspc0.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0259small_zpsjddkspc0.jpg.html)
Yep, that Fat Man Nuke looks good there for some reason. :rofl:
:ahhh the Canadians have nukes!
:rofl:
Post by: David on January 01, 2016, 08:12:36 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on January 01, 2016, 08:27:20 PM
Mystery solved. Now we know where the missing tactical nukes went to at the fall of the Soviet Union. Chakos ammo cabinet. :rofl: :D
:rofl:
Post by: Chako on January 01, 2016, 09:11:17 PM
Well at least my Fallout 4 compendium is very safe locked up in there. ;)
Post by: Gareth on January 01, 2016, 09:42:01 PM
I've owned an S&W Model 19 Combat Magnum for many years. Such a beautiful piece.......
Mine was stolen many years ago. Someday I plan to have another.
As to barrel length Chako I am of the mind 4 inches balances well but is not to heavy. Recoil with .38 out of say a GP 100 is next to nothing so there is no need for more recoil dampening weight.
158 grain wadcutters out of a .38 will be subsonic and Super quiet out of a suppressor. Just saying.
I know I've talking from the wrong side of the pond, but do you chaps know S&W have re-released the model 66? http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_827561_-1_757751_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y
4 1/4" barrel would suit Dan as well.
Post by: Alan K. on January 01, 2016, 11:49:19 PM
My favorite .357 at the moment is a S&W M28. A friend of mine is a big Ruger .357 buckaroo. I get to shot them and can attest to the fact they are good solid wheel guns. :D
This is a subject near to my heart as I grew up with a father who would mot use any pistol that did not have a cylinder and I love me some IPSC and IDPA.
Just say no to the Taurus. While they are not as bad as some people make them out to be they just dont stand up.to action pistol round counts. Better for occasional plinking if you get a nice price break maybe.
Most stages for revolver will be set up around 6 round strings with a mandatory reload anyway.
Moonclips will cut your reload time in half or more once you get good with them. They have the added bonus of being nowhere near as practice intensive as speed loaders are. There are a number of good gunsmiths who can cut any revolver for moon clips for you regardless of the caliber. So no need to.run 9mm or .45 ACP.
Ruger is indeed built like Fort Knox but there fit and finish is also top notch. I am of the opinion that most of the fit and finish bashing comes from the Smith and Wesson folks.
I'd say you hit the nail square on the head there Mr Harley. :D
Agreed! There's nothing like shooting the N-frame .357 magnums. Picture of me from 2004..
Post by: Chako on January 02, 2016, 01:12:52 AM
http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/10/22/review-ruger-redhawk-45-acp45-colt-revolver/
So many options...not sure which way I want to go now. I do have 2 boxes of 357 magnum, but on the other hand, I have many boxes of 45 ACP and Colt for my 1911A1 and Single Action Army. :think:
Post by: ColoSwiss on January 02, 2016, 01:54:20 AM
Just found this out...a Ruger Redhawk that will take moonclips to shoot 45 ACP, and will also shoot 45 Colt.
http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/10/22/review-ruger-redhawk-45-acp45-colt-revolver/
So many options...not sure which way I want to go now. I do have 2 boxes of 357 magnum, but on the other hand, I have many boxes of 45 ACP and Colt for my 1911A1 and Single Action Army. :think:
You know you're going to get them both! :pok:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 02, 2016, 02:11:42 AM
Yeah; model 19-P made for the Peruvian police with fixed sights.
I also have a normal 4 inch one and a 2.5 inch.
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How much are you asking for the 2.5 inch one?
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 02, 2016, 02:12:19 AM
Just found this out...a Ruger Redhawk that will take moonclips to shoot 45 ACP, and will also shoot 45 Colt.
http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/10/22/review-ruger-redhawk-45-acp45-colt-revolver/
So many options...not sure which way I want to go now. I do have 2 boxes of 357 magnum, but on the other hand, I have many boxes of 45 ACP and Colt for my 1911A1 and Single Action Army. :think:
You know you're going to get them both! :pok:
Always the correct MTO answer.
Post by: David on January 02, 2016, 02:18:36 AM
Just found this out...a Ruger Redhawk that will take moonclips to shoot 45 ACP, and will also shoot 45 Colt.
http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/10/22/review-ruger-redhawk-45-acp45-colt-revolver/
So many options...not sure which way I want to go now. I do have 2 boxes of 357 magnum, but on the other hand, I have many boxes of 45 ACP and Colt for my 1911A1 and Single Action Army. :think:
You know you're going to get them both! :pok:
Yes, but the big question is which one first? Maybe we should have a poll? :D
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 02, 2016, 03:58:22 AM
Just found this out...a Ruger Redhawk that will take moonclips to shoot 45 ACP, and will also shoot 45 Colt.
http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/10/22/review-ruger-redhawk-45-acp45-colt-revolver/
So many options...not sure which way I want to go now. I do have 2 boxes of 357 magnum, but on the other hand, I have many boxes of 45 ACP and Colt for my 1911A1 and Single Action Army. :think:
You know you're going to get them both! :pok:
Yes, but the big question is which one first? Maybe we should have a poll? :D
Pfft Chako is making mad coin he can afford to buy them both at the same time.
Post by: David on January 02, 2016, 04:52:26 AM
Just found this out...a Ruger Redhawk that will take moonclips to shoot 45 ACP, and will also shoot 45 Colt.
http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/10/22/review-ruger-redhawk-45-acp45-colt-revolver/
So many options...not sure which way I want to go now. I do have 2 boxes of 357 magnum, but on the other hand, I have many boxes of 45 ACP and Colt for my 1911A1 and Single Action Army. :think:
You know you're going to get them both! :pok:
Yes, but the big question is which one first? Maybe we should have a poll? :D
Pfft Chako is making mad coin he can afford to buy them both at the same time.
:tu: :D
Post by: Aloha on January 02, 2016, 06:33:20 AM
My favorite .357 at the moment is a S&W M28. A friend of mine is a big Ruger .357 buckaroo. I get to shot them and can attest to the fact they are good solid wheel guns. :D
This is a subject near to my heart as I grew up with a father who would mot use any pistol that did not have a cylinder and I love me some IPSC and IDPA.
Just say no to the Taurus. While they are not as bad as some people make them out to be they just dont stand up.to action pistol round counts. Better for occasional plinking if you get a nice price break maybe.
Most stages for revolver will be set up around 6 round strings with a mandatory reload anyway.
Moonclips will cut your reload time in half or more once you get good with them. They have the added bonus of being nowhere near as practice intensive as speed loaders are. There are a number of good gunsmiths who can cut any revolver for moon clips for you regardless of the caliber. So no need to.run 9mm or .45 ACP.
Ruger is indeed built like Fort Knox but there fit and finish is also top notch. I am of the opinion that most of the fit and finish bashing comes from the Smith and Wesson folks.
I'd say you hit the nail square on the head there Mr Harley. :D
Agreed! There's nothing like shooting the N-frame .357 magnums. Picture of me from 2004..
I don't know much about guns but damn that looks like a handful you got there. Awesome pic too :tu:.
Post by: BASguy on January 02, 2016, 05:34:02 PM
My favorite .357 at the moment is a S&W M28. A friend of mine is a big Ruger .357 buckaroo. I get to shot them and can attest to the fact they are good solid wheel guns. :D
This is a subject near to my heart as I grew up with a father who would mot use any pistol that did not have a cylinder and I love me some IPSC and IDPA.
Just say no to the Taurus. While they are not as bad as some people make them out to be they just dont stand up.to action pistol round counts. Better for occasional plinking if you get a nice price break maybe.
Most stages for revolver will be set up around 6 round strings with a mandatory reload anyway.
Moonclips will cut your reload time in half or more once you get good with them. They have the added bonus of being nowhere near as practice intensive as speed loaders are. There are a number of good gunsmiths who can cut any revolver for moon clips for you regardless of the caliber. So no need to.run 9mm or .45 ACP.
Ruger is indeed built like Fort Knox but there fit and finish is also top notch. I am of the opinion that most of the fit and finish bashing comes from the Smith and Wesson folks.
I'd say you hit the nail square on the head there Mr Harley. :D
Agreed! There's nothing like shooting the N-frame .357 magnums. Picture of me from 2004..
I don't know much about guns but damn that looks like a handful you got there. Awesome pic too :tu:.
I own several .357's of different flavors with multiple versions of Ruger and S&W. My most used however, is a model 65 Taurus. I've put literally thousands of rounds through this wheel gun and it's been flawless. I think most of the negative commentary toward Taurus comes as 2nd hand. Every manufacturer is going to have issues of some sort, but anyone who thinks these aren't good reliable hand guns simply doesn't know what they are talking about.
Sent from 9 miles from the face of the sun
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 02, 2016, 07:14:13 PM
My favorite .357 at the moment is a S&W M28. A friend of mine is a big Ruger .357 buckaroo. I get to shot them and can attest to the fact they are good solid wheel guns. :D
This is a subject near to my heart as I grew up with a father who would mot use any pistol that did not have a cylinder and I love me some IPSC and IDPA.
Just say no to the Taurus. While they are not as bad as some people make them out to be they just dont stand up.to action pistol round counts. Better for occasional plinking if you get a nice price break maybe.
Most stages for revolver will be set up around 6 round strings with a mandatory reload anyway.
Moonclips will cut your reload time in half or more once you get good with them. They have the added bonus of being nowhere near as practice intensive as speed loaders are. There are a number of good gunsmiths who can cut any revolver for moon clips for you regardless of the caliber. So no need to.run 9mm or .45 ACP.
Ruger is indeed built like Fort Knox but there fit and finish is also top notch. I am of the opinion that most of the fit and finish bashing comes from the Smith and Wesson folks.
I'd say you hit the nail square on the head there Mr Harley. :D
Agreed! There's nothing like shooting the N-frame .357 magnums. Picture of me from 2004..
I don't know much about guns but damn that looks like a handful you got there. Awesome pic too :tu:.
I own several .357's of different flavors with multiple versions of Ruger and S&W. My most used however, is a model 65 Taurus. I've put literally thousands of rounds through this wheel gun and it's been flawless. I think most of the negative commentary toward Taurus comes as 2nd hand. Every manufacturer is going to have issues of some sort, but anyone who thinks these aren't good reliable hand guns simply doesn't know what they are talking about.
Sent from 9 miles from the face of the sun
I agree Taurus is not complete junk for the most part and most of the bashing is proably second hand.
That said I have had nothing but problems with a .22 Magnum revolver I got for my wife and many years ago a close friend had issues with one of the Taurus Model 92 9mms. Granted at some point I heard they got the PT 92 sorted out.
Still there is no way to convince me any revolver is on the same level as say a GP 100 or Super Redhawk when it comes to reliability and sheer Fort Knox build strength.
Post by: BASguy on January 02, 2016, 07:20:39 PM
I wouldn't know how to convince anyone, but I own a GP100 and can attest to the fact it has absolutely nothing on the 65 as far as I'm concerned.My favorite .357 at the moment is a S&W M28. A friend of mine is a big Ruger .357 buckaroo. I get to shot them and can attest to the fact they are good solid wheel guns. :D
This is a subject near to my heart as I grew up with a father who would mot use any pistol that did not have a cylinder and I love me some IPSC and IDPA.
Just say no to the Taurus. While they are not as bad as some people make them out to be they just dont stand up.to action pistol round counts. Better for occasional plinking if you get a nice price break maybe.
Most stages for revolver will be set up around 6 round strings with a mandatory reload anyway.
Moonclips will cut your reload time in half or more once you get good with them. They have the added bonus of being nowhere near as practice intensive as speed loaders are. There are a number of good gunsmiths who can cut any revolver for moon clips for you regardless of the caliber. So no need to.run 9mm or .45 ACP.
Ruger is indeed built like Fort Knox but there fit and finish is also top notch. I am of the opinion that most of the fit and finish bashing comes from the Smith and Wesson folks.
I'd say you hit the nail square on the head there Mr Harley. :D
Agreed! There's nothing like shooting the N-frame .357 magnums. Picture of me from 2004..
I don't know much about guns but damn that looks like a handful you got there. Awesome pic too :tu:.
I own several .357's of different flavors with multiple versions of Ruger and S&W. My most used however, is a model 65 Taurus. I've put literally thousands of rounds through this wheel gun and it's been flawless. I think most of the negative commentary toward Taurus comes as 2nd hand. Every manufacturer is going to have issues of some sort, but anyone who thinks these aren't good reliable hand guns simply doesn't know what they are talking about.
Sent from 9 miles from the face of the sun
I agree Taurus is not complete junk for the most part and most of the bashing is proably second hand.
That said I have had nothing but problems with a .22 Magnum revolver I got for my wife and many years ago a close friend had issues with one of the Taurus Model 92 9mms. Granted at some point I heard they got the PT 92 sorted out.
Still there is no way to convince me any revolver is on the same level as say a GP 100 or Super Redhawk when it comes to reliability and sheer Fort Knox build strength.
I don't own a Taurus semi.....I only have a couple of semi's in the stable as I just don't care for them. I'm a wheel gun guy, so they just don't interest me. As such I can't comment on their quality.
Sent from 9 miles from the face of the sun
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 02, 2016, 07:24:24 PM
I wouldn't know how to convince anyone, but I own a GP100 and can attest to the fact it has absolutely nothing on the 65 as far as I'm concerned.My favorite .357 at the moment is a S&W M28. A friend of mine is a big Ruger .357 buckaroo. I get to shot them and can attest to the fact they are good solid wheel guns. :D
This is a subject near to my heart as I grew up with a father who would mot use any pistol that did not have a cylinder and I love me some IPSC and IDPA.
Just say no to the Taurus. While they are not as bad as some people make them out to be they just dont stand up.to action pistol round counts. Better for occasional plinking if you get a nice price break maybe.
Most stages for revolver will be set up around 6 round strings with a mandatory reload anyway.
Moonclips will cut your reload time in half or more once you get good with them. They have the added bonus of being nowhere near as practice intensive as speed loaders are. There are a number of good gunsmiths who can cut any revolver for moon clips for you regardless of the caliber. So no need to.run 9mm or .45 ACP.
Ruger is indeed built like Fort Knox but there fit and finish is also top notch. I am of the opinion that most of the fit and finish bashing comes from the Smith and Wesson folks.
I'd say you hit the nail square on the head there Mr Harley. :D
Agreed! There's nothing like shooting the N-frame .357 magnums. Picture of me from 2004..
I don't know much about guns but damn that looks like a handful you got there. Awesome pic too :tu:.
I own several .357's of different flavors with multiple versions of Ruger and S&W. My most used however, is a model 65 Taurus. I've put literally thousands of rounds through this wheel gun and it's been flawless. I think most of the negative commentary toward Taurus comes as 2nd hand. Every manufacturer is going to have issues of some sort, but anyone who thinks these aren't good reliable hand guns simply doesn't know what they are talking about.
Sent from 9 miles from the face of the sun
I agree Taurus is not complete junk for the most part and most of the bashing is proably second hand.
That said I have had nothing but problems with a .22 Magnum revolver I got for my wife and many years ago a close friend had issues with one of the Taurus Model 92 9mms. Granted at some point I heard they got the PT 92 sorted out.
Still there is no way to convince me any revolver is on the same level as say a GP 100 or Super Redhawk when it comes to reliability and sheer Fort Knox build strength.
I don't own a Taurus semi.....I only have a couple of semi's in the stable as I just don't care for them. I'm a wheel gun guy, so they just don't interest me. As such I can't comment on their quality.
Sent from 9 miles from the face of the sun
Yeah convincing people on the internet is a waste of time. Don't you know everyone on the internet knows everything?
Glad that 65 is working out for you.
Post by: BASguy on January 02, 2016, 08:28:05 PM
Thanks, agreed. At least you can get a chuckle out of people talking out their backside.I wouldn't know how to convince anyone, but I own a GP100 and can attest to the fact it has absolutely nothing on the 65 as far as I'm concerned.My favorite .357 at the moment is a S&W M28. A friend of mine is a big Ruger .357 buckaroo. I get to shot them and can attest to the fact they are good solid wheel guns. :D
This is a subject near to my heart as I grew up with a father who would mot use any pistol that did not have a cylinder and I love me some IPSC and IDPA.
Just say no to the Taurus. While they are not as bad as some people make them out to be they just dont stand up.to action pistol round counts. Better for occasional plinking if you get a nice price break maybe.
Most stages for revolver will be set up around 6 round strings with a mandatory reload anyway.
Moonclips will cut your reload time in half or more once you get good with them. They have the added bonus of being nowhere near as practice intensive as speed loaders are. There are a number of good gunsmiths who can cut any revolver for moon clips for you regardless of the caliber. So no need to.run 9mm or .45 ACP.
Ruger is indeed built like Fort Knox but there fit and finish is also top notch. I am of the opinion that most of the fit and finish bashing comes from the Smith and Wesson folks.
I'd say you hit the nail square on the head there Mr Harley. :D
Agreed! There's nothing like shooting the N-frame .357 magnums. Picture of me from 2004..
I don't know much about guns but damn that looks like a handful you got there. Awesome pic too :tu:.
I own several .357's of different flavors with multiple versions of Ruger and S&W. My most used however, is a model 65 Taurus. I've put literally thousands of rounds through this wheel gun and it's been flawless. I think most of the negative commentary toward Taurus comes as 2nd hand. Every manufacturer is going to have issues of some sort, but anyone who thinks these aren't good reliable hand guns simply doesn't know what they are talking about.
Sent from 9 miles from the face of the sun
I agree Taurus is not complete junk for the most part and most of the bashing is proably second hand.
That said I have had nothing but problems with a .22 Magnum revolver I got for my wife and many years ago a close friend had issues with one of the Taurus Model 92 9mms. Granted at some point I heard they got the PT 92 sorted out.
Still there is no way to convince me any revolver is on the same level as say a GP 100 or Super Redhawk when it comes to reliability and sheer Fort Knox build strength.
I don't own a Taurus semi.....I only have a couple of semi's in the stable as I just don't care for them. I'm a wheel gun guy, so they just don't interest me. As such I can't comment on their quality.
Sent from 9 miles from the face of the sun
Yeah convincing people on the internet is a waste of time. Don't you know everyone on the internet knows everything?
Glad that 65 is working out for you.
Sent from 9 miles from the face of the sun
Post by: Chako on January 02, 2016, 09:05:59 PM
I spent a while hand holding and dry firing everything they had in terms of revolvers in 357 magnum caliber. From what I could see Taurus was definitely the cheaper product in terms of trigger feel and general feel...but that didn't bother me much as the prices were cheaper for them overall. The 357 Tracker that I tried had a terrible trigger though. They had a used and a new copy, and both exhibited a very long DA trigger which was harder then anything else I tried today. I didn't like the rubber ribbed short grip found on this model...so It was a quick discard from the list.
I then tried a used S&W 586 that they just got in. Funny that. I have been looking at their guns for a year and a half now, and that is the first used S&W revolver I have ever seen them have. There was a nice 357 Magnum Dan Wesson that I missed a few months ago. I asked one of the owners, and she told me it was a rarity for one to come up used at their shop. Anyhow, I tried it and the trigger was very nice in both SA/DA.
I then asked them about those Rugers. Apparently that list I posted off of their website was not updated much. They only had the one Ruger GP100 with a 4" barrel. It felt very nice and the trigger was a lot better than the Taurus Trackers that I had tried. However, it was only in a 4" barrel. I was looking for something with a 6" barrel. I did go back to the Ruger twice more to compare it with the others. It was most definitely a nice firearm.
They had a few other S&W wheelguns, and they all felt superb in trigger action and fit of hand. They had a 686 plus with nice wooden grips, but they wanted 1000 bucks for it. This gun did feature 7 rounds, but when I asked for speed loaders, they didn't have any in stock. Ok...a little more than I wanted to pay...fair enough.
Next up was a Taurus 608. This is an 8 shot revolver. I liked the feel of this grip wise, and the extra 2 shots was sweet. In fact, I liked the look of that overly largish cylinder. However, when I asked if they sold speed loaders for this, they had a hard time finding anything. Eventually after much digging, they found only one company, and they didn't deal with them at all. They could get them in, but the price would be a little higher and who knows when that might come in at that. Hmmm....
I kept going back to that used 586. When it came down to it, it was between the Taurus 608 and that S&W 586. What pushed me towards the 586 were several things. That 586 had the best trigger feel of anything I tried today, including the other S&W revolvers. The shop did tell me there was a trigger job done on the gun. I believe it as it was smooth as butter. The DA trigger was just awesome. Prior to trying other revolvers, I didn't know what that meant. Now I know. The Taurus 608's trigger wasn't that bad either, but it wasn't on par with the Ruger. The S&Ws beat that Ruger just a little. This used S&W was in a different league altogether.
Also, the availability of speed loaders was an issue in my region for the Taurus 608. I really wanted that Taurus due to the extra 2 shots. However, they had plenty of used speed loaders that will fit the 586...and that sold me. In fact, I got such a good deal on the speed loaders, I gather not many are shooting revolvers in my area.
The owner came down with a used box and told me I could have everything in it for 100 bucks...case/lid and all included in the photo...sold.
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Now all I need are 3 speed loader belt carriers, and a holster. Also bought two boxes of 38 special ammo to get started.
Hand holding revolvers really is the only way to decide. I have read a ton of stuff online, but nothing prepares you to decide until you actually hand hold them. I found the S&W revolvers did in fact have a slightly better trigger feel to them from the factory. The Ruger isn't far behind based on the single copy I was able to look at. Taurus was all over the map. The Taurus Trackers sucked if you compared them to anything else. The Taurus 608 was better as was another Taurus they had. Both didn't compare to the other two however. So some of the stuff I read online was indeed truthful based on what I saw at the gun shop. Much of it is also hot air I am sure.
Either way, I can't wait to get this in my paws and take some photos. This one comes with an odd 4 position adjustable front sight as well as an adjustable rear sight.
Post by: ColoSwiss on January 03, 2016, 02:51:39 AM
Post by: Chako on January 03, 2016, 03:20:08 AM
Post by: s1xty7 on January 05, 2016, 01:15:48 AM
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This was taken for the Swiss Army Knife with other toys thread but here is my as yet unfired AR-15 and brand new from this weekend Ruger SP-101 in 22lr. This is my first revolver and I considered 38 special/357 but I already have a few 9mm semis for that kind of use (Springfield XDm and Kel-Tec P-11). I wanted a revolver the kids could shoot too when they get a little older and it will go well with my 10/22 Takedown. Probably going to do some trigger work to lighten it and shim the hammer and trigger to smooth it a little.
As for the AR-15, it's an Anderson Manufacturing lower with a variety of parts (STAG LPK, JP springs, adjustable trigger stop, BCM tube and buffer, etc). The upper is from Ironworks Tactical based off on a 16" 1:8 melonited AR15Performance .223 wylde barrel (Scout profile) with NiB bolt and carrier, Troy Alpha rail (soon to be cerakoted MagPul foliage green), and AXTS Raptor charging handle. I'll top that with a Primary Arms 1-6x scope and Magpul Pro BUIS. This was the first AR I've built and I'm hoping to get some decent accuracy at distance with it.
Ever since having kids, it's been hard to find as much time to go shooting as before. That seems to hold true for all my hobbies though.
Post by: SAK Guy on January 05, 2016, 01:32:07 AM
I have a S&W kit gun that similar to your Ruger but it's in 22 mag
Post by: s1xty7 on January 05, 2016, 02:21:02 AM
I have a S&W kit gun that similar to your Ruger but it's in 22 mag
Thanks for the compliments!
The S&W revolvers are nice. I almost picked up the 617 for 22lr, but at nearly $250 more than I got the Ruger for and the extra weight and size, I thought the Ruger would be a better fit for everyone who will be shooting it and save a sizable amount too.
What model is that kit gun? Based on some quick searching, it looks like a 650. She's a beauty!
Post by: Chako on January 05, 2016, 03:17:49 AM
Well I have done a little more research on the used box of revolver goodies I bought.
Someone had written their name and lazily scratched it out with a sharpie on the lid. I bought a few sharpies and thought it would look good completely covered.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0271small_zpsx6cmrvtx.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0271small_zpsx6cmrvtx.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0270small_zpswbp9inzp.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0270small_zpswbp9inzp.jpg.html)
Inside the toolbox are two removable trays that reveal one larger compartment on one side, and 2 compartments on the other side.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0272small_zps0dqf4ltq.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0272small_zps0dqf4ltq.jpg.html)
One upper tray holds a speed loader loading block. The other, a divided organizer for the speedloaders. With the lid closed, I have just enough room to store these rounds in the loading block.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0269small_zpsyd609qo2.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0269small_zpsyd609qo2.jpg.html)
After visiting Safariland's web site, I found out I have 7 speed loader comp II, 2 speed loader comp I, and 3 speed loader comp III. One of the comp Is is for a 44 magnum. The smaller comp I are for conceal carry. The Comp IIIs feature a spring and a longer handle. The spring pushes the cartridges into the cylinder. Now sure how that will work...but I have 3 of those. The others are the standard speed loaders
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0273small_zpshheirksa.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0273small_zpshheirksa.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0274small_zpswd8lwv1u.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0274small_zpswd8lwv1u.jpg.html)
With the loading block, it is very easy to load the speed loaders.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0275small_zpsdrlwkoxg.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0275small_zpsdrlwkoxg.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0276small_zpsbxb7zqfs.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0276small_zpsbxb7zqfs.jpg.html)
I have also done some research and it looks like this might be a good holster to go with. It is a Safariland model 002 competition holster.
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Post by: SAK Guy on January 05, 2016, 05:27:18 AM
I have a S&W kit gun that similar to your Ruger but it's in 22 mag
Thanks for the compliments!
The S&W revolvers are nice. I almost picked up the 617 for 22lr, but at nearly $250 more than I got the Ruger for and the extra weight and size, I thought the Ruger would be a better fit for everyone who will be shooting it and save a sizable amount too.
What model is that kit gun? Based on some quick searching, it looks like a 650. She's a beauty!
Thanks, yes, a 650...it was my Dad's before he switched over to a 38. My ex used to have a SP 101 in 38 Spec...great gun. I may look at one in 22LR. Have you shot it much?
Post by: s1xty7 on January 05, 2016, 06:42:59 AM
Thanks, yes, a 650...it was my Dad's before he switched over to a 38. My ex used to have a SP 101 in 38 Spec...great gun. I may look at one in 22LR. Have you shot it much?
Haven't shot the Ruger at all. Just got it Saturday evening and haven't had a shooting day scheduled in a while. My mom has the SP101 in 38 spl/357 and uses it for home defense. She's had it for a couple years now and practices with snap caps. Her gun shoots well. The 22lr version is nearly identical. Heavy trigger though and may need a little polishing or spring change to get it lighter and smoother. I normally do trigger work myself, but I may take this one to a local shop and see how it turns out. Overall, the thing is built like a tank and has the elevation/windage adjustable rear sights and front hi-viz sight.
Interesting. I read your 650 was only made for about 5 years. It looks like a nice gun but maybe 22mag wasn't as popular as 38 spl? I also saw a few people talking about fitting 22lr cylinders to it. Either as factory options or from a model 63, I believe. You might already have a 22lr stainless revolver!
Post by: SAK Guy on January 05, 2016, 07:04:05 AM
Thanks, yes, a 650...it was my Dad's before he switched over to a 38. My ex used to have a SP 101 in 38 Spec...great gun. I may look at one in 22LR. Have you shot it much?
Haven't shot the Ruger at all. Just got it Saturday evening and haven't had a shooting day scheduled in a while. My mom has the SP101 in 38 spl/357 and uses it for home defense. She's had it for a couple years now and practices with snap caps. Her gun shoots well. The 22lr version is nearly identical. Heavy trigger though and may need a little polishing or spring change to get it lighter and smoother. I normally do trigger work myself, but I may take this one to a local shop and see how it turns out. Overall, the thing is built like a tank and has the elevation/windage adjustable rear sights and front hi-viz sight.
Interesting. I read your 650 was only made for about 5 years. It looks like a nice gun but maybe 22mag wasn't as popular as 38 spl? I also saw a few people talking about fitting 22lr cylinders to it. Either as factory options or from a model 63, I believe. You might already have a 22lr stainless revolver!
Rugers are great! Yeah, I have a couple of Ruger Super Single Sixes in 22LR/mag. I was just musing about a 22 DA revolver... Had a 4" 63 and stupidly sold it..... :( This 650 was a companion gun to my Dad's Winchester 9422 mag and later a big Mossberg Bolt 22 mag he used for turkey hunting. He carried CCI snakeshot in the Smith. He bought it from my gunshop back in the 80's.
Here's the Winchester:
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Post by: Gareth on January 05, 2016, 10:01:06 AM
Nice firearms.
Well I have done a little more research on the used box of revolver goodies I bought.
Someone had written their name and lazily scratched it out with a sharpie on the lid. I bought a few sharpies and thought it would look good completely covered.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0271small_zpsx6cmrvtx.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0271small_zpsx6cmrvtx.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0270small_zpswbp9inzp.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0270small_zpswbp9inzp.jpg.html)
Inside the toolbox are two removable trays that reveal one larger compartment on one side, and 2 compartments on the other side.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0272small_zps0dqf4ltq.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0272small_zps0dqf4ltq.jpg.html)
One upper tray holds a speed loader loading block. The other, a divided organizer for the speedloaders. With the lid closed, I have just enough room to store these rounds in the loading block.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0269small_zpsyd609qo2.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0269small_zpsyd609qo2.jpg.html)
After visiting Safariland's web site, I found out I have 7 speed loader comp II, 2 speed loader comp I, and 3 speed loader comp III. One of the comp Is is for a 44 magnum. The smaller comp I are for conceal carry. The Comp IIIs feature a spring and a longer handle. The spring pushes the cartridges into the cylinder. Now sure how that will work...but I have 3 of those. The others are the standard speed loaders
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0273small_zpshheirksa.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0273small_zpshheirksa.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0274small_zpswd8lwv1u.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0274small_zpswd8lwv1u.jpg.html)
With the loading block, it is very easy to load the speed loaders.
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I have also done some research and it looks like this might be a good holster to go with. It is a Safariland model 002 competition holster.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/safariland_002_stx-500x500_zpsjb2pfapm.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/safariland_002_stx-500x500_zpsjb2pfapm.jpg.html)
That speed loading box looks very handy. :tu: I have to say that, while I'm sure it does the job well, that holster looks pretty fugly. :-\
Post by: Chako on January 05, 2016, 12:58:07 PM
Post by: dks on January 05, 2016, 06:01:39 PM
Post by: Humppa on January 05, 2016, 10:01:43 PM
Almost the pill is such an impressing thingy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.458_Winchester_Magnum
It is not my gun nor catridge. But I joined a shooting club years ago and a member there has such an elephant gun.
Oh... and these were full-power hand-loads. :oops:
The MosinNagant I shot after with old hungarian surplus ammo was like a .22 after this experience.
Just wanted to share.
Post by: jerseydevil on January 05, 2016, 10:04:43 PM
Post by: kirk13 on January 05, 2016, 10:16:56 PM
Listening to the US president now, discussing the matter.
I'm sure a lot of us are interested to hear what the Prez has to say,but,when we find out,let's not let it turn into a political furball :tu:
Post by: Humppa on January 05, 2016, 10:25:44 PM
A.458 out of a five pound rifle! :ahhh I've said this before, when I got to shoot a .577 Nitro Express, I had to go to the dentist and have fillings replaced!
Forget to add that we were shooting 500 grs lead bullets out of the puppy.
A .577 NitroExpress has a much higher enery... no doubt that the dentist had almost $$-marks in his eyes when you go there :D
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 06, 2016, 04:06:43 AM
A.458 out of a five pound rifle! :ahhh I've said this before, when I got to shoot a .577 Nitro Express, I had to go to the dentist and have fillings replaced!
Got a couple of pictures for you but they are on my phone and will have to wait for tomorrow.
Post by: David on January 06, 2016, 05:10:00 AM
The worst gun I´ve shot until now was a five pounds single shot rifle at the caliber .458 WinMag. Impressive recoil and it hurt after five shots like hell. My shoulder was blue for about a week.
Almost the pill is such an impressing thingy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.458_Winchester_Magnum
It is not my gun nor catridge. But I joined a shooting club years ago and a member there has such an elephant gun.
Oh... and these were full-power hand-loads. :oops:
The MosinNagant I shot after with old hungarian surplus ammo was like a .22 after this experience.
Just wanted to share.
Ouch that had to hurt!
A.458 out of a five pound rifle! :ahhh I've said this before, when I got to shoot a .577 Nitro Express, I had to go to the dentist and have fillings replaced!
Was it a single or double rifle? Either way the recoil had to be substantial.
Have either of you read about Sir Samuel Bakers experiences with his 2 bore he called "Baby"? :D
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 07, 2016, 10:10:01 PM
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And.
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Post by: Gareth on January 07, 2016, 10:18:42 PM
Post by: kirk13 on January 07, 2016, 10:49:14 PM
The worst gun I´ve shot until now was a five pounds single shot rifle at the caliber .458 WinMag. Impressive recoil and it hurt after five shots like hell. My shoulder was blue for about a week.
Almost the pill is such an impressing thingy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.458_Winchester_Magnum
It is not my gun nor catridge. But I joined a shooting club years ago and a member there has such an elephant gun.
Oh... and these were full-power hand-loads. :oops:
The MosinNagant I shot after with old hungarian surplus ammo was like a .22 after this experience.
Just wanted to share.
Ouch that had to hurt!A.458 out of a five pound rifle! :ahhh I've said this before, when I got to shoot a .577 Nitro Express, I had to go to the dentist and have fillings replaced!
Was it a single or double rifle? Either way the recoil had to be substantial.
Have either of you read about Sir Samuel Bakers experiences with his 2 bore he called "Baby"? :D
Nope,can't say I have...go on then,don't tease :D
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 07, 2016, 10:55:54 PM
Very cool Harley. :salute:
And only dropped once.
Post by: SAK Guy on January 08, 2016, 12:46:48 AM
Very cool Harley. :salute:
And only dropped once.
8)
Post by: jerseydevil on January 08, 2016, 01:47:14 AM
A.458 out of a five pound rifle! :ahhh I've said this before, when I got to shoot a .577 Nitro Express, I had to go to the dentist and have fillings replaced!
Was it a single or double rifle? Either way the recoil had to be substantial.
Have either of you read about Sir Samuel Bakers experiences with his 2 bore he called "Baby"? :D
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It was a double made by Wesley Richards. Yes, I've read of Baby. The Arabic name for it translated to "Son of a cannon". A monster!
Post by: Gareth on January 08, 2016, 01:53:22 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on January 08, 2016, 02:47:48 AM
The largest size ever created for a shoulder rifle and used mainly in the 19th century for hunting large dangerous game animals. This caliber was used by European hunters, notably the British, in tropical climates of Africa and India. Loaded with black powder, it was unpopular due to thick smoke and excessive recoil. The rifle was fired from the shoulder by one person. Larger guns existed, such as the punt gun, but these were only fired supported and generally from a prone position. Sir Samuel White Baker, British explorer and hunter of the Victorian era, was impressed by its power, but heavily disapproved of the recoil. He narrates dashing adventures with his two-bore rifle, which he affectionately referred to as "Baby":
Among other weapons, I had an extraordinary rifle that carried a half-pound percussion shell—this instrument of torture to the hunter was not sufficiently heavy for the weight of the projectile; it only weighed twenty pounds: thus, with a charge of ten drachms [270 grains] of powder, behind a half-pound shell, the recoil was so terrific, that I spun around like a weathercock in a hurricane. I really dreaded my own rifle, although I had been accustomed to heavy charges of powder, and severe recoil for some years. None of my men could fire it, and it was looked upon with a species of awe, and it was named "Jenna-El-Mootfah" (Child of a Cannon) by the Arabs, which being far too long a name for practice, I christened it the "Baby;" and the scream of this "Baby" loaded with a half-pound shell was always fatal. It was far too severe, and I very seldom fired it, but it is a curious fact, that I never fired a shot with that rifle without bagging: the entire practice, during several years, was confined to about twenty shots. I was afraid to use it; but now and then it was absolutely necessary that it should be cleaned, after months of staying loaded. On such occasions my men had the gratification of firing it, and the explosion was always accompanied by two men falling on their backs (one having propped up the shooter), and the "Baby" flying some yards behind them. This rifle was made by Holland & Holland, of Bond Street, and I could highly recommend it for the Goliath of Gath, but not for the men of A.D. 1866.[1]
— Sir Samuel White Baker
David Baker, the great-great-grandson of Sir Samuel White Baker with Julian Monroe Fisher
in the Foley Reading Room at the Royal Geographical Society in London, November 2012.
David and Julian are holding Sir Samuel Baker's original expedition rifle, "the baby".
Post by: SAK Guy on January 08, 2016, 03:00:01 AM
Post by: David on January 08, 2016, 09:38:14 AM
A.458 out of a five pound rifle! :ahhh I've said this before, when I got to shoot a .577 Nitro Express, I had to go to the dentist and have fillings replaced!
Was it a single or double rifle? Either way the recoil had to be substantial.
Have either of you read about Sir Samuel Bakers experiences with his 2 bore he called "Baby"? :D
It was a double made by Wesley Richards. Yes, I've read of Baby. The Arabic name for it translated to "Son of a cannon". A monster!
[/quote]
Wow a .577 Wesley Richards double. Sorry about you fillings.
"BABY"
The largest size ever created for a shoulder rifle and used mainly in the 19th century for hunting large dangerous game animals. This caliber was used by European hunters, notably the British, in tropical climates of Africa and India. Loaded with black powder, it was unpopular due to thick smoke and excessive recoil. The rifle was fired from the shoulder by one person. Larger guns existed, such as the punt gun, but these were only fired supported and generally from a prone position. Sir Samuel White Baker, British explorer and hunter of the Victorian era, was impressed by its power, but heavily disapproved of the recoil. He narrates dashing adventures with his two-bore rifle, which he affectionately referred to as "Baby":
Among other weapons, I had an extraordinary rifle that carried a half-pound percussion shell—this instrument of torture to the hunter was not sufficiently heavy for the weight of the projectile; it only weighed twenty pounds: thus, with a charge of ten drachms [270 grains] of powder, behind a half-pound shell, the recoil was so terrific, that I spun around like a weathercock in a hurricane. I really dreaded my own rifle, although I had been accustomed to heavy charges of powder, and severe recoil for some years. None of my men could fire it, and it was looked upon with a species of awe, and it was named "Jenna-El-Mootfah" (Child of a Cannon) by the Arabs, which being far too long a name for practice, I christened it the "Baby;" and the scream of this "Baby" loaded with a half-pound shell was always fatal. It was far too severe, and I very seldom fired it, but it is a curious fact, that I never fired a shot with that rifle without bagging: the entire practice, during several years, was confined to about twenty shots. I was afraid to use it; but now and then it was absolutely necessary that it should be cleaned, after months of staying loaded. On such occasions my men had the gratification of firing it, and the explosion was always accompanied by two men falling on their backs (one having propped up the shooter), and the "Baby" flying some yards behind them. This rifle was made by Holland & Holland, of Bond Street, and I could highly recommend it for the Goliath of Gath, but not for the men of A.D. 1866.[1]
— Sir Samuel White Baker
David Baker, the great-great-grandson of Sir Samuel White Baker with Julian Monroe Fisher
in the Foley Reading Room at the Royal Geographical Society in London, November 2012.
David and Julian are holding Sir Samuel Baker's original expedition rifle, "the baby".
Thank you CS! Its been a while since I'd read that.
Post by: Gareth on January 08, 2016, 09:44:11 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 08, 2016, 02:16:11 PM
Curious to see pictures and hear how well you like it.
Post by: kirk13 on January 08, 2016, 06:27:15 PM
:ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
:imws:
Post by: captain spaulding on January 08, 2016, 07:22:14 PM
Anybody here have a North American Arms Mini revolver?
Curious to see pictures and hear how well you like it.
I do. I do not post gun pics on the forum though.
I might be able to get some pics and PM them to you, but it might take me a day or so.
Post by: captain spaulding on January 08, 2016, 07:32:58 PM
You can get a larger grip/pocket clip attachment which clips into your pocket and you fold out the gun like a knife and it sets at (close to) a 90 degree angle acting as a large grip.
There are a bunch of different holsters and grips for the little guys. I would never carry it as a main carry gun only as a backup unless you absolutely had to carry something that small.
With all that said it is a very neat gun and I would never get rid of the one I have left.
I real quick story I will cut down considerably. I was at the range shooting. There was a very large man shooting very large guns and everyone was watching. I started a conversation with him and told him I would be right back. I brought out the NAA mini and he almost lost his smurf. He loved it and begged me to shoot it. :D
If there is any specific info you want just ask.
I forgot to add. They make a ankle holster for it which is perfect for a tiny gun. I will carry a J-Frame in a ankle holster, but even a small revolver like a J-Frame is substantial on the ankle. You would forget you even have the NAA on your ankle.
Post by: Chako on January 09, 2016, 01:31:03 AM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0280small_zpsbhwvjeka.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0280small_zpsbhwvjeka.jpg.html)
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(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0282small_zpsmna8x92b.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0282small_zpsmna8x92b.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0286small_zpsnuyxxa6r.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0286small_zpsnuyxxa6r.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0288small_zpsehzqgkhp.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0288small_zpsehzqgkhp.jpg.html)
I tested the trigger pull and this is what I found out. The DA pulls around 7 pounds, and the SA is a little over 2 pounds.
Post by: SAK Guy on January 09, 2016, 01:54:32 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on January 09, 2016, 01:55:48 AM
Post by: Gareth on January 09, 2016, 02:09:32 AM
She's a beauty. Congrats!
Absolutely. :drool:
Post by: David on January 09, 2016, 02:16:56 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on January 09, 2016, 02:20:16 AM
Post by: Chako on January 09, 2016, 02:30:38 AM
As for me, I am thinking one setting for 38 specials...and the next for 357 Magnums. :think:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 09, 2016, 03:38:37 AM
Are you guys shooting bullseye of bowling pins? Never seen adjustables used in IPSC before.
Post by: BASguy on January 09, 2016, 03:47:33 AM
Anybody here have a North American Arms Mini revolver?
Curious to see pictures and hear how well you like it.
Had 2 of the .22/.22 WMR 's. They are great for pocket carry and would be quite useful if you needed to shoot someone in the face from 6" away. Other than that.....completely worthless. Nice little novelty guns.
Sent from 9 miles from the face of the sun
Post by: BASguy on January 09, 2016, 03:50:25 AM
Listening to the US president now, discussing the matter.
I'm sure a lot of us are interested to hear what the Prez has to say,but,when we find out,let's not let it turn into a political furball :tu:
Nothing to worry about there. Nobody cares what he has to say :shrug:
Sent from 9 miles from the face of the sun
Post by: Chako on January 09, 2016, 05:29:27 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on January 09, 2016, 05:48:39 AM
Post by: jzmtl on January 10, 2016, 09:52:16 AM
Post by: Chako on January 10, 2016, 10:53:58 AM
Post by: Humppa on January 10, 2016, 11:37:31 AM
A little bit more unique would be a G43 of the Wehrmacht or the GDR. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gewehr_43
The caliber 7.92x57 IS is a favorite of mine. I prefer it over the 7.62x54R due to a better accuracy. But that´s just me.
Post by: SAK Guy on January 10, 2016, 03:55:45 PM
It was a simpler time.....
A cautionary note, the SKS safety only blocks the trigger and not the sear. A good hard rap on the butt plate can cause a hammer fall under the right conditions.
Post by: jzmtl on January 10, 2016, 06:46:48 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 10, 2016, 07:15:14 PM
Thinking about picking one up.
Post by: SAK Guy on January 10, 2016, 08:10:29 PM
Did I already ask if anyone here has one of them NAA mini revolvers?
Thinking about picking one up.
Yup.
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,53984.msg1208759.html#msg1208759
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 12, 2016, 03:10:45 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 12, 2016, 03:16:57 AM
As far as how I like it. I used to own two and regret selling one. I love how tiny it is, but they are VERY impractical. The grip is so tiny you can only get a one finger hold on it and even though its a .22 (many different .22 models) it is so small and you have such little grip it feels like it is going to flip out of your hand. When you hold the gun and aim the top "meaty" portion of your hand covers the front sight post and there is no rear sight (well its grooved). It is a "get off me" gun for sure. I would not want to try and be effective at more than 7 yards. The barrel is so short (on my model) it would not have much accuracy and velocity past that anyways.
You can get a larger grip/pocket clip attachment which clips into your pocket and you fold out the gun like a knife and it sets at (close to) a 90 degree angle acting as a large grip.
There are a bunch of different holsters and grips for the little guys. I would never carry it as a main carry gun only as a backup unless you absolutely had to carry something that small.
With all that said it is a very neat gun and I would never get rid of the one I have left.
I real quick story I will cut down considerably. I was at the range shooting. There was a very large man shooting very large guns and everyone was watching. I started a conversation with him and told him I would be right back. I brought out the NAA mini and he almost lost his smurf. He loved it and begged me to shoot it. :D
If there is any specific info you want just ask.
I forgot to add. They make a ankle holster for it which is perfect for a tiny gun. I will carry a J-Frame in a ankle holster, but even a small revolver like a J-Frame is substantial on the ankle. You would forget you even have the NAA on your ankle.
Exactly the kind of information I was looking for.
Been doing some research on different ways to carry one but did not see anything about an ankle holster. Seem slike the perfect method. Where did you get yours?
I did find this to help with a better grip though. Made by a guy on ebay and it is called the Vangor Cvang grip. Tons of people say they love them.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/s-l1600.jpg~original) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/s-l1600.jpg.html)
Post by: captain spaulding on January 12, 2016, 04:56:38 AM
http://northamericanarms.com/index.php/accessories/accessories-all/har.html
(http://northamericanarms.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/h/a/har_1.jpg)
I was looking at some of the grips as I have not been on the site in years. Looks like I need these. :drool:
http://northamericanarms.com/index.php/accessories/l-accessories/l-grips/gbg-l-eng.html
(http://northamericanarms.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/img_1166_1.jpg)
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 12, 2016, 05:13:11 AM
Cant beat that holster for 20 bucks. You got the rough one?
Post by: captain spaulding on January 12, 2016, 05:21:35 AM
Which model do you have?
Cant beat that holster for 20 bucks. You got the rough one?
I have the shortest barrel in .22lr.
Yes I bought the rough ankle holster. I also have a pocket holster for it.
Post by: shark_za on January 12, 2016, 06:05:44 AM
If I was buying one now I would look at the newer ones based on the black widow model.
Actual sights.
Post by: Alan K. on January 12, 2016, 07:02:40 AM
If any of you want to add a night sight to your mini revolver (absolutely not practical, strictly for giggles) you use a shotgun bead night sight and you have to drill and tap (6/48) without drilling all the way into the barrel and you may or may not need to shorten the post on the sight so it will sit flush. Don't forget to use permanent LocTite thread locker.
Post by: shark_za on January 12, 2016, 07:23:48 AM
If you only want small the 22LR only model like Captn is cool/
Post by: buck on January 12, 2016, 03:23:19 PM
I would opt for the Pug or Earl if I was getting one now. But I'd rather have a 25 Baby Browning and I'd rather have nearly anything else in my pocket than a 25.
Post by: buck on January 12, 2016, 04:08:38 PM
My latest in 50-95. At $3 @ pop I will probably get into reloading for it if I shoot it much.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=527427309
Post by: SAK Guy on January 12, 2016, 04:21:56 PM
I've been into lever actions lately due to an incident at the range I was using.
My latest in 50-95. At $3 @ pop I will probably get into reloading for it if I shoot it much.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=527427309
Beautiful!!! Congrats!!!
Post by: ColoSwiss on January 13, 2016, 05:53:00 AM
I've been into lever actions lately due to an incident at the range I was using.
My latest in 50-95. At $3 @ pop I will probably get into reloading for it if I shoot it much.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=527427309
Nice looking rifle. :tu:
Post by: buck on January 13, 2016, 03:50:40 PM
Nice, Chako. :tu: That particular rifle was made by Harrington & Richardson for many years in many different calibers and configurations. My dad has one in .45-70. A word of warning about the .223. The civilian and military chambering specs are different, so be careful shooting surplus 5.56x45 NATO.
What JD said. Although anything chambered for 5.56 will shoot any .223 fine.
This is my small group set up along with my Ruger 10/22.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150514_122712_243.jpg~original) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150514_122712_243.jpg.html)
An attempt at the tackdriver game at 25 yards.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150521_085030_344.jpg~original) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150521_085030_344.jpg.html)
Where can you get those 22 targets?
Post by: buck on January 13, 2016, 03:52:19 PM
I just got a Scar 17. It seems great except for the flimsy stock. Of course some company makes a multitool with custom tools just for it thats in the manner of the tool that comes with HK SL8.
Info about the SCAR multitool? Is it this SCARmorer?
http://shop.shootingsight.com/SCARmorer-SCAR-Folding-Multi-Tool-SCARmorer.htm
What ammo does your SCAR like?
Post by: buck on January 13, 2016, 03:54:38 PM
Post by: s1xty7 on January 13, 2016, 05:34:39 PM
Where can you get those 22 targets?
You should be able to print them from the links found here: http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=462689
I need to give it a try with my 10/22 TD sometime.
Post by: Chako on January 14, 2016, 03:10:04 AM
What a sweet shooter. Now if only my local gun shop can source a competition holster and 3 safariland speedloader belt holders. :facepalm:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 14, 2016, 04:34:39 AM
Just shot the S&W 586 with both .38 specials, and .357 Magnums. I was a bit disappointed in the Magnums. I had thought it would have had a bit more recoil. I guess once you get used to 12 gauge slugs, everything else is relative.
What a sweet shooter. Now if only my local gun shop can source a competition holster and 3 safariland speedloader belt holders. :facepalm:
Try some .357 Magnum from a J frame air weight and see how you feel about its recoil lol. The 586 you have is a heavy beast well suited to .357 Magnum round.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 14, 2016, 04:36:42 AM
Nice, Chako. :tu: That particular rifle was made by Harrington & Richardson for many years in many different calibers and configurations. My dad has one in .45-70. A word of warning about the .223. The civilian and military chambering specs are different, so be careful shooting surplus 5.56x45 NATO.
What JD said. Although anything chambered for 5.56 will shoot any .223 fine.
This is my small group set up along with my Ruger 10/22.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150514_122712_243.jpg~original) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150514_122712_243.jpg.html)
An attempt at the tackdriver game at 25 yards.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150521_085030_344.jpg~original) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150521_085030_344.jpg.html)
Where can you get those 22 targets?
Yep Rimfire Central website. They have a lot of fun games and targets there.
Post by: Chako on January 14, 2016, 01:07:11 PM
Do you see this.
:D <----
Yep that is a big silly grin. I shot 6 rounds of 38 special and thought to myself this was like shooting a 22. I then fired a few rounds of 357 magnums and thought this was equivalent to shooting my 9 mm S&W M&P as far as felt recoil.
Here is the proof. Not the best groups but in my defense, it was - 18 Celsius and I wasn't dressed for the cold much. The nice cut holes where from the 357 magnum Blazers. The ragged holes were from the 38 special lead nose bullets. It is also a small target, and even those outliers would be in the zone on an IPSC body of mass target.
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I then made it into the clubhouse afterwards. There were a few key members already in. They drooled over the wheel-gun like nothing else I have seen. This is odd as most of these guys are into tactical stuff big time. When I told them I was thinking of using it for IPSC competition, big silly grins were evident. One told me I might start another trend back to revolvers if I showed up with this strapped onto my belt. He also told me I would be the only one in the revolver class. I left the gun on the ammo free bench for the rest of the meal. Member upon member asked if they could hold it and fondle it. I was taken aback. I guess this was something special as during the meal, there were quite a lot of conversations centered around their old wheel-guns that were sold ages ago and of the regret after seeing mine. Wow...is this the start of something old coming back again? :think:
Anyways, now I am having great fun trying to find a competition holster and 3 speed-loader belt holders. The joy of living in Canada...I can't just order gun things online from the US.
Post by: Gareth on January 14, 2016, 04:45:07 PM
Post by: Aloha on January 14, 2016, 11:16:32 PM
Great to hear it got such a positive reaction, it well deserves it IMO. :tu:
I agree. Revolvers have taken a back seat it seams but as in another thread there much love for them. I dig them and that looks like a behemoth.
Post by: ColoSwiss on January 15, 2016, 02:53:19 AM
I like 'em both!
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 15, 2016, 03:08:04 AM
Love me some revolvers. Give me a nice blued Smith any day.
I do aknowledge an auto is better in a tactical or self defense situation but they are more of a to them a fine revolver.
Post by: SAK Guy on January 15, 2016, 03:16:30 AM
Revolver vs. Auto? :think:
I like 'em both!
I feel sure it's why the Almighty gave us two hands!!! (please forgive my redneck wisdom) :D
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 15, 2016, 03:18:37 AM
Revolver vs. Auto? :think:
I like 'em both!
I feel sure it's why the Almighty gave us two hands!!! (please forgive my redneck wisdom) :D
Nope you are xorrect. I asked my priest and he concurs.
Post by: Gareth on January 15, 2016, 10:23:33 AM
Post by: Chako on January 15, 2016, 12:18:53 PM
Post by: Humppa on January 15, 2016, 09:56:53 PM
It is not due to the mechanic, but I like the precision of a revolver for that reason. Not so many moving parts. IMO the SA revolvers are repeating guns, so they are not that picky on ammunition like a semi-auto pistol.
The less moving parts... the better.
But I´m much more a rifleguy. Not that big fan of handguns either. Maybe a nice 686 someday... in some time...
Just my .02 Cent on this topic.
Post by: captain spaulding on January 15, 2016, 10:05:15 PM
Post by: Aloha on January 15, 2016, 11:19:17 PM
Revolver vs. Auto? :think:
I like 'em both!
I didn't want to start ish but here was a post not long ago saying revolvers were obsolete ( I may be wrong how it was phrased ). I disagreed and thought there were plenty of folk who still loved them. I like them and if I was a gun owner I'd certainly have one or 3 :whistle:.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 16, 2016, 01:50:07 AM
Revolver vs. Auto? :think:
I like 'em both!
I didn't want to start ish but here was a post not long ago saying revolvers were obsolete ( I may be wrong how it was phrased ). I disagreed and thought there were plenty of folk who still loved them. I like them and if I was a gun owner I'd certainly have one or 3 :whistle:.
Obsolete?!
Let me shoot the naysayer with an obsolete Model 19 .357 and you tell me how obsolete it is.
Post by: David on January 16, 2016, 06:16:42 AM
Dan if you ever get a chance to fire a .500 Linebaugh with full house loads please do so. It a real exciting experience you wont soon forget. I think you may have found a handgun and round with enough recoil. :D Just thinking of firing one of those dinosaur slayers again almost makes my hand hurt. Getting soft in my old age. :D I dont even load my 45 Ruger Bisley very hot any more. I can push 310 to 340 gr SWC or LBT bullets around 1200 out of a 4 3/4" barrel with a healthy dose of H-110. But find my hand much preferrs the 1000 fps range much better.
Post by: buck on January 16, 2016, 03:19:41 PM
I've seen bad ammo cause problems with both. Regarding the revolver high primers or thick rims can cause the cylinder to lock up.
There's no getting around the fact that autos hold more bullets.
I'm getting a Guncrafter with extra parts that will fire 9mm, 38 Super, and 9x23 Winchester.
Post by: SAK Guy on January 16, 2016, 04:13:14 PM
Here's an unrelated ammo test pic of the Kit Gun just because....
Post by: shark_za on January 16, 2016, 04:47:05 PM
When a revolver jams you tend to need tools to get it going again.
Loading and unloading can introduce some serious jams if not done right.
Post by: captain spaulding on January 16, 2016, 09:31:46 PM
Hmm, people saying revolvers are more reliable need to shoot them a lot more under pressure and in more varied conditions.
When a revolver jams you tend to need tools to get it going again.
Loading and unloading can introduce some serious jams if not done right.
I have personally never had ANY revolver I own jam or misfire. I have misfires or a jam frequently with semi's. The situation I am referring to has nothing to do with a reload so that is not even on the radar. In your "normal" situation where a CCW weapon is used (revo or semi) I have almost never seen a reload. I actually cannot recall a single event where a reload was done in such a situation. I have also never jammed a revolver reloading it in my entire life and i'm not just talking standard range time.
Post by: kirk13 on January 16, 2016, 11:32:47 PM
I like both but shoot a 1911 much better.
Here's an unrelated ammo test pic of the Kit Gun just because....
Excuse my ignorance,but why is it a Kit Gun?
Post by: ColoSwiss on January 17, 2016, 12:14:08 AM
I like both but shoot a 1911 much better.
Here's an unrelated ammo test pic of the Kit Gun just because....
Excuse my ignorance,but why is it a Kit Gun?
It was a small light revolver you could throw in your kit bag for camping, fishing etc.
Post by: kirk13 on January 17, 2016, 12:40:01 AM
I like both but shoot a 1911 much better.
Here's an unrelated ammo test pic of the Kit Gun just because....
Excuse my ignorance,but why is it a Kit Gun?
It was a small light revolver you could throw in your kit bag for camping, fishing etc.
Ah! Thank you :tu:
I did wonder if it was a self build(I've seen self build black powder pistols before)
Post by: Chako on January 17, 2016, 01:01:01 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on January 17, 2016, 01:10:07 AM
:cheers: :cheers: :D
Post by: ColoSwiss on January 17, 2016, 02:44:28 AM
His Marlin 39 was probably the first rifle I shot.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 17, 2016, 02:47:42 AM
Hmm, people saying revolvers are more reliable need to shoot them a lot more under pressure and in more varied conditions.
When a revolver jams you tend to need tools to get it going again.
Loading and unloading can introduce some serious jams if not done right.
I have personally never had ANY revolver I own jam or misfire. I have misfires or a jam frequently with semi's. The situation I am referring to has nothing to do with a reload so that is not even on the radar. In your "normal" situation where a CCW weapon is used (revo or semi) I have almost never seen a reload. I actually cannot recall a single event where a reload was done in such a situation. I have also never jammed a revolver reloading it in my entire life and i'm not just talking standard range time.
Cappy I was and still am of a mind that a good revolver stoked with quality ammo wi go bang every time you pull the trigger.
That said I did have a second hand Smith Model 19 I was never able to get running right. Ended up returning it. Just put this out there in the interest of completeness I guess.
Post by: shark_za on January 17, 2016, 08:10:42 AM
Not counting on a reload in a shootout is very short sighted; in sport shooting I have had a case slip back and fall under the ejector star, more than once, this is not easy to fix.
Unfired powder and grime also gets under the star making the revolver impossible to close.
Once a bullet pulled itself loose on recoil and bound up the cylinder. Not a tap rack fix.
When a revolver goes wrong you need another gun. An auto can get back to shooting quite quickly.
Post by: captain spaulding on January 17, 2016, 08:59:02 AM
I have been shooting revolvers for over 20 years and love them but the reality where I live is multiple armed attackers so capacity and reloads are very important.
Not counting on a reload in a shootout is very short sighted; in sport shooting I have had a case slip back and fall under the ejector star, more than once, this is not easy to fix.
Unfired powder and grime also gets under the star making the revolver impossible to close.
Once a bullet pulled itself loose on recoil and bound up the cylinder. Not a tap rack fix.
When a revolver goes wrong you need another gun. An auto can get back to shooting quite quickly.
Obviously in your scenario with multiple attackers a auto is a much better option no one is saying it isn't. What I am saying is for 99% of concealed carriers in the USA a single magazine or cylinder will almost always be enough. I agree you should ALWAYS anticipate a reload and have a speed clip or extra magazine or two at the ready, but for the 99% of people that carry everyday and never use their gun the reliability of a revolver outweighs the potential problems with a semi. Obviously you are bias towards semi's since multiple attackers is a possibility and reloads are almost guaranteed if the situation arouse. Most people do not have the same needs as you. Not to say one should not be prepared for such a situation, but its not a priority for the average guy carrying a gun.
Just to address one thing you mentioned about getting a auto back into action quickly. Yes sometimes a auto can be brought back with the standard tap and rack drill, but I have had a auto slip the barrel during recoil and jam the slide in the open position. The gun had to be taken to a gunsmith just to get the slide and barrel free. So not all autos can magically be fixed with a tap and rack. Also what happens if there is a cracked case and the case expands during ignition trapping itself in the barrel? This has happened to me as well. No amount of taping and racking will solve this. If this happened in a revolver just pull the trigger again and your good. What about a ejector failure. Not a ejection failure, but what if your ejector breaks? The gun is useless. There is arguments for both sides.
I am in no way saying you are wrong. If I was you I would carry a semi with two extra mags and a backup gun on top of that. Its all about specific needs and wants in a carry gun. Just my opinion.
Post by: Chako on January 17, 2016, 12:38:07 PM
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Dan if you ever get a chance to fire a .500 Linebaugh with full house loads please do so. It a real exciting experience you wont soon forget. I think you may have found a handgun and round with enough recoil.
It is funny you should say that. I am now being gently prodded by a recoil fanatic fan of mine to buy a S&W500. The revolver is around 1200 dollars. I was thinking a little here and there on layaway and it should be mine in a few months. However, when I asked how much a box of 500 S&W magnums were, I was told 80 bucks for 20. That comes out to 4 dollars a round! Yeah, I left the gun exactly where it laid in the display case. Yikes!
As for me, I like both revolvers and semi-automatics.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 17, 2016, 05:12:40 PM
I could not afford to have guns as a hobby in Canada.
Post by: captain spaulding on January 17, 2016, 07:09:46 PM
Four dollars a round!
I could not afford to have guns as a hobby in Canada.
I'm bet the ammo for the S&W 500 is about the same price here. :think:
Post by: THE_LONGBOW on January 19, 2016, 03:34:01 AM
Post by: shark_za on January 19, 2016, 06:33:54 AM
While he had it he took these photo ;o)
He is a custom maker and runs the local family gun shop and range, his most popular knife is called the "Ranger" shown next to a Wilson Starbenza. He is left handed like me and I think this is his personal ranger. I never use my knives in the left hand; he does. Ranger is M390 steel in Ti frame-lock.
What is interesting about the little Glock is it uses a Gen 2.5 frame; finger grooves but they are smooth.
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Post by: captain spaulding on January 19, 2016, 06:47:02 AM
How do you like the dogtag?
Post by: captain spaulding on January 19, 2016, 06:47:42 AM
Post by: shark_za on January 19, 2016, 07:35:49 AM
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Post by: captain spaulding on January 19, 2016, 07:46:33 AM
Knives are Jason's. I have had a dog tag but don't think it's practical. He small cutting edge can be had elsewhere. I'd even take a Roadie over a dogtag.
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Have you handled a roadie? If so how small is it. It looks larger in pictures than I think it really is.
Post by: shark_za on January 19, 2016, 08:05:39 AM
I throw it in my top pocket on occasion as a sheeple friendly biltong knife.
Compared to a 58mm SAK.
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Post by: shark_za on January 19, 2016, 08:10:57 AM
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Post by: captain spaulding on January 19, 2016, 08:27:52 AM
I wanted one since before they were released and still do. I just wish the price was slightly better. Even more so now that MAP pricing is in effect.
I may still get one eventually.
Post by: Chako on January 23, 2016, 02:16:15 PM
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Post by: SAK Guy on January 23, 2016, 05:00:07 PM
Post by: Gareth on January 23, 2016, 05:45:23 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 23, 2016, 06:53:06 PM
Browsing some random links on youtube I came across a round I'd never heard of before; the .327 Federal Magnum. Anyone have any experience with this one?
No personal experience but read a lot of good things about the round.
Post by: Humppa on January 23, 2016, 07:40:04 PM
I will shoot a great gun, it´s not mine, but my shooting club owns several of these. It is an Anschütz Modell 54 in .22lr. A single shot rifle.
One of the most precise systems I´ve ever shot.
Post by: David on January 23, 2016, 07:42:44 PM
Gonna go to the range tomorrow! :)
I will shoot a great gun, it´s not mine, but my shooting club owns several of these. It is an Anschütz Modell 54 in .22lr. A single shot rifle.
One of the most precise systems I´ve ever shot.
8) :) Hope you have a great time at the range!
Post by: Chako on January 23, 2016, 08:19:48 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on January 23, 2016, 08:28:00 PM
Browsing some random links on youtube I came across a round I'd never heard of before; the .327 Federal Magnum. Anyone have any experience with this one?
No personal experience, but the round has been around for years. Around 5 or so if I remember correctly. :think:
It is "thinner" than a .357 mag, but is supposed to create the same amount of energy while allowing a revolver cylinder to hold 6 shots instead of 5 shots of .357 mag.
Should be a great round. I personally like to stick with common rounds as ammo is already expensive as it is and specialty rounds are normally more expensive and harder to find.
Post by: Chako on January 23, 2016, 08:46:13 PM
This is what it says about the .327 Federal Magnum.
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Introduced in 2008, the .327 Federal Magnum is an attempt to improve the performance of the .32H&R Magnum. .32H&R factory ammunition, as per SAAMI specs, is not loaded to the cartridge's full potential. This is due to the weaker H&R revolvers chambered for this cartridge. Cartridge performance for the .32 H&R Magnum can be subsequently improved with hand-loads, when fired in Ruger or S&W revolvers. The .327 Federal Magnum takes this performance to a new level. This was accomplished by increasing the case capacity and loading the cartridge to a substantially higher pressure (45 000 psi) than the .32 H&R Magnum which is 21 000 psi. In fact, the .327 Federal Magnum is loaded to a higher pressure than any other commercially loaded defensive handgun cartridge. Since .327 Federal Magnums cannot be chambered in any other .32 caliber revolver, there is no concern of over-pressure issues. Ruger worked with Federal during the development of this cartridge and initially offered a three inch version of its SP 101 six shot revolver in this chambering. With factory load, a 100-grain bullet will leave the barrel of the SP 101 at about 1400 fps.
The .327 Federal Magnum is a handful in a 28 ounce SP 101 with full power loads. Federal does offer an 85 grain, low recoil load that is much more controllable, but it is still markedly more powerful than any factory .32 H&R Magnum loads. The terminal performance of this cartridge with both the 100 and 115 grain Speer Gold Dot loads approaches that of the .357 Magnum with similar bullets. Penetration in 10% gelatin is in excess of 14 inches, and bullets exhibit wide expansion. The design of these two Gold Dot bullets is very important to this cartridge, because prior to them, there were no .312 diameter bullets that could withstand the velocity this cartridge is capable of producing.
If you can manage the recoil from a handgun, it is a viable self defense option, and from a rifle, it is capable of taking deer sized game out to 100 yards. From the 16 inch barreled Marlin, the 110 grain bullet speeds along at over 2000 fps. One thing that sets the .327 Federal Magnum apart from all other revolver cartridges is the fact that any revolver so chambered will also fire .32 Short, .32 Long, and .32 H&R Magnum ammunition. This cartridge's versatility is unmatched.
Post by: toolguy on January 23, 2016, 10:43:30 PM
Gonna go to the range tomorrow! :)
I will shoot a great gun, it´s not mine, but my shooting club owns several of these. It is an Anschütz Modell 54 in .22lr. A single shot rifle.
One of the most precise systems I´ve ever shot.
I'm the fortunate owner of five Anschutz rifles.I posted a pic of one my sporters in a thread titled ".22 rifles" last year.
All of the Anschutz rifle are shipped with a target which is shot at the factory.This rifle had a target that consisted of 10 rounds fired at 50 meters and all shots were touching and also fit inside of the head of the figure on a dime.
Here is my Anschutz 54.18 Silhouette rifle.
Post by: toolguy on January 23, 2016, 11:07:15 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on January 24, 2016, 02:16:30 AM
Browsing some random links on youtube I came across a round I'd never heard of before; the .327 Federal Magnum. Anyone have any experience with this one?
No personal experience, but the round has been around for years. Around 5 or so if I remember correctly. :think:
It is "thinner" than a .357 mag, but is supposed to create the same amount of energy while allowing a revolver cylinder to hold 6 shots instead of 5 shots of .357 mag.
Should be a great round. I personally like to stick with common rounds as ammo is already expensive as it is and specialty rounds are normally more expensive and harder to find.
+1 Knew a man some years back who went on African safari with two rifles, one a 30-06 and the other a new super magnum. The guns made it okay, but the ammo didn't. Turned out there wasn't a round of the new cartridge to be had in the country he was in. The 06 wasn't a problem, a fact which saved the trip.
Post by: ColoSwiss on January 24, 2016, 02:17:34 AM
Here is a pic of the Anschutz 54 Sporter.
Anschutz are always nice. :tu:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 24, 2016, 03:48:16 AM
Here is a pic of the Anschutz 54 Sporter.
Anschutz are always nice. :tu:
Nice?
Understatement of the year if you ask me.
Post by: Smitty44 on January 24, 2016, 06:28:01 AM
I like both but shoot a 1911 much better.
Here's an unrelated ammo test pic of the Kit Gun just because....
The S&W 650 is one of my favorite fishing guns,shot shells for snakes,and hollow points for rabid animals,and I modded some mag shell cases to shot CB longs in it also. :salute:
Post by: SAK Guy on January 24, 2016, 06:36:57 AM
I like both but shoot a 1911 much better.The S&W 650 is one of my favorite fishing guns,shot shells for snakes,and hollow points for rabid animals,and I modded some mag shell cases to shot CB longs in it also. :salute:
Here's an unrelated ammo test pic of the Kit Gun just because....
:cheers: Cool!! Great versatility all in one cylinder and boy, aren't those 22Mag shotshells big medicine on snakes! :tu:
Post by: Chako on January 24, 2016, 11:57:14 PM
On the positive side, I think I am turning into a revolver guy. Speed loading the chamber wasn't difficult at all, and almost as quick as slapping a magazine into a semi auto. For my first outing with it, I am hooked.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 25, 2016, 06:08:55 AM
Went out today for a fun shoot. I am really liking the revolver. I do need a holster for it however, and still the local gun shop is having a hard time getting me one. I know that most American businesses could care less about selling to Canada...not enough population, probably have to jump through flaming hoops, etc...but it sure does make my life difficult. I do have an old PPC holster that came with the revolver, but the trigger is not covered. I was allowed to use it today but I wouldn't be able to in an official IPSC match. Either I find something soon, or I am forced to modify this one that I have...and I would hate doing that.
On the positive side, I think I am turning into a revolver guy. Speed loading the chamber wasn't difficult at all, and almost as quick as slapping a magazine into a semi auto. For my first outing with it, I am hooked.
Is it against the law for me to buy one and send it to you?
I know how Canada is just one revolver holster from invading the US and all that.
Post by: captain spaulding on January 25, 2016, 06:22:45 AM
Went out today for a fun shoot. I am really liking the revolver. I do need a holster for it however, and still the local gun shop is having a hard time getting me one. I know that most American businesses could care less about selling to Canada...not enough population, probably have to jump through flaming hoops, etc...but it sure does make my life difficult. I do have an old PPC holster that came with the revolver, but the trigger is not covered. I was allowed to use it today but I wouldn't be able to in an official IPSC match. Either I find something soon, or I am forced to modify this one that I have...and I would hate doing that.
On the positive side, I think I am turning into a revolver guy. Speed loading the chamber wasn't difficult at all, and almost as quick as slapping a magazine into a semi auto. For my first outing with it, I am hooked.
Is it against the law for me to buy one and send it to you?
I know how Canada is just one revolver holster from invading the US and all that.
I couldn't see how a holster would be illegal to send to Canada, but stranger things have happened. :think:
Post by: Chako on January 25, 2016, 12:26:49 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 25, 2016, 01:28:15 PM
Thanks for the offer, and I may just take you up on that. Going to give the local shop their time however.
K.
I also would like to add if your revolver reload is almost as fast as your semi reload you are reloading your semi wrong.
Well either that or you are much better at this stuff then I am. Which is entirely possible.
Post by: Chako on January 25, 2016, 01:32:38 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 25, 2016, 01:38:54 PM
No. Just a rank beginner. I came in last yesterday...but in it for the fun.
That's how I am also.
Often lose because I place to much emphasis on hitting and not enough on speed.
Something about shooting sports make it so that I do not care so much about where I place as much as improving my skills and just having fun.
Post by: Chako on January 26, 2016, 12:46:29 PM
On the other hand, a lot of the older guys are thinking about those revolvers they used to shoot back in the day and still have in their safe somewhere. Maybe my shooting something different might even the playing field somewhat by seeing more revolvers show up on the scene. If nothing else, it was a great conversation starter. :tu:
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on January 26, 2016, 01:11:19 PM
On the other hand, a lot of the older guys are thinking about those revolvers they used to shoot back in the day and still have in their safe somewhere. Maybe my shooting something different might even the playing field somewhat by seeing more revolvers show up on the scene. If nothing else, it was a great conversation starter. :tu:
Many years ago (still in school) I went to a shooting range with a friend and his parents.
Had fun shooting several firearms, but the one thing I'll never forget was an older guy with his revolver.
They were shooting a 9 targets and had one of those little counter machine thingies........he had to reload, and he was barely slower than the guys shooting autos. 8)
What really got me was everything about the old man was saggy - eyes, clothes, shoulders, belly....you name it! :rofl:
You would be forgiven for underestimating him all day everyday, but if that revolver comes out running wouldn't help! :salute:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 27, 2016, 05:44:46 AM
You will just die tired.
Post by: SAK Guy on January 30, 2016, 05:12:40 PM
Post by: kirk13 on January 30, 2016, 05:19:09 PM
By request, my Skunk gun....
:dd: :dd: :dd:
:drool:
Post by: SAK Guy on January 30, 2016, 05:32:15 PM
By request, my Skunk gun....
:dd: :dd: :dd:
:drool:
:cheers: :cheers: Thx!
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 30, 2016, 06:39:21 PM
Even if you do not use your firearms for defense accidents happen.
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Post by: THE_LONGBOW on January 31, 2016, 03:31:33 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on January 31, 2016, 03:47:30 AM
All of you that shoot have something like this on your kit or in your shooting bag right?
Even if you do not use your firearms for defense accidents happen.
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Quick-Clot Trauma kit...
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 31, 2016, 06:45:21 AM
All of you that shoot have something like this on your kit or in your shooting bag right?
Even if you do not use your firearms for defense accidents happen.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160129_183006_599.jpg~original) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160129_183006_599.jpg.html)
Quick-Clot Trauma kit...
Good deal but remember to be ready for entry and exit wounds.
Post by: Alan K. on January 31, 2016, 08:07:54 AM
There was a really good thread on range safety and first aid kits, on gunboards forums, in their survival and preparedness sub-forum, which you can read without being a member.
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?50416-Range-Safety-Preparedness-%E2%80%93-EMS-and-Emergencies-on-the-range
Post by: SAK Guy on January 31, 2016, 08:15:57 AM
All of you that shoot have something like this on your kit or in your shooting bag right?
Even if you do not use your firearms for defense accidents happen.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160129_183006_599.jpg~original) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160129_183006_599.jpg.html)
Quick-Clot Trauma kit...
Good deal but remember to be ready for entry and exit wounds.
I'll throw in some tampons. :tu:
Post by: Chako on February 29, 2016, 12:24:06 AM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0364small_zpsdxqwicrd.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0364small_zpsdxqwicrd.jpg.html)
Post by: raistlin65 on February 29, 2016, 03:21:31 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on February 29, 2016, 05:09:13 AM
Fractured my scapula today. What a pain in the butt for the next 6 to 8 weeks. I can already tell this is going to be worse than the time I broke my wrist when I was a teenager. Aargh!
Ah, dang, sorry to hear this!!!! You're in my prayers bud.
Post by: raistlin65 on February 29, 2016, 05:18:51 AM
Fractured my scapula today. What a pain in the butt for the next 6 to 8 weeks. I can already tell this is going to be worse than the time I broke my wrist when I was a teenager. Aargh!
Ah, dang, sorry to hear this!!!! You're in my prayers bud.
Thanks. I can still use multi tools some, but going to the range is definitely out for now. :(
Post by: jerseydevil on February 29, 2016, 05:33:42 AM
Post by: David on February 29, 2016, 06:18:21 AM
By request, my Skunk gun....
Nice skunk gun SG! Here isa pic of my armadillo gun. :D
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 29, 2016, 06:43:39 AM
Fractured my scapula today. What a pain in the butt for the next 6 to 8 weeks. I can already tell this is going to be worse than the time I broke my wrist when I was a teenager. Aargh!
Ouch! Not good at all. Hope things heal smoothly and quickly.
This place is turning into a hospital ward. :facepalm:
Post by: Gareth on February 29, 2016, 09:35:19 AM
Fractured my scapula today. What a pain in the butt for the next 6 to 8 weeks. I can already tell this is going to be worse than the time I broke my wrist when I was a teenager. Aargh!
Sorry to hear that mate. :( Make sure and take it easy.
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 29, 2016, 09:46:18 AM
By request, my Skunk gun....
Bill Carver was a member of "The Wild Bunch" gang of outlaws. Once when the gang was on the way to rob a bank Carver shot at a skunk and missed. The skunk didn't. Carver smelled so bad that when the gang was robbing the bank the tellers were holding their noses rather than their arms up. Carver was so embarrassed he was apologizing for the odor.
Carver (left rear)
Post by: kirk13 on February 29, 2016, 11:46:06 AM
By request, my Skunk gun....
Nice skunk gun SG! Here isa pic of my armadillo gun. :D
Ok,I get a Skunk gun,but armadillos?
Post by: Gareth on March 01, 2016, 02:40:46 PM
By request, my Skunk gun....
Nice skunk gun SG! Here isa pic of my armadillo gun. :D
Ok,I get a Skunk gun,but armadillos?
I was wondering that as well. Unless armadillos have a massive vicious streak I've not heard about. :think:
Post by: ColoSwiss on March 02, 2016, 06:35:39 AM
By request, my Skunk gun....
Nice skunk gun SG! Here isa pic of my armadillo gun. :D
Ok,I get a Skunk gun,but armadillos?
I was wondering that as well. Unless armadillos have a massive vicious streak I've not heard about. :think:
You really gotta watch out for them armadillos.
Post by: David on March 02, 2016, 07:11:45 AM
By request, my Skunk gun....
Nice skunk gun SG! Here isa pic of my armadillo gun. :D
Ok,I get a Skunk gun,but armadillos?
I was wondering that as well. Unless armadillos have a massive vicious streak I've not heard about. :think:
You really gotta watch out for them armadillos.
That's right! :D In reality they are a nuisome pest that dig up everything and make big burro holes for livestock to break legs in etc.. Most rual folks around here kill them on sight. :) It is also rumored they carry leprosy. I'm not sure that is true. That seem's to be more of a concern further down south in the swamper regions of the USA. The first one I ever saw was in 1976 when a friend and I were out coon hunting early fall that year. Neither one of us believed what we were seeing so we stopped the truck and jumped out and chased it down and caught it. We knew no one would believe us if we didnt have the armadillo to prove it. they can run petty fast for a little ways. I was 20 years old at the time so I was much lighter a foot than today! :D Now-a-days they are every where digging lookin for bugs, grubs and worms. I've read they really like ants and such. A .22LR works well on them but since I'm more likely to have the Bisley handy than the .22 I call it my armadillo gun. :D Now you know the rest of the story.
Post by: kirk13 on March 02, 2016, 07:48:40 AM
By request, my Skunk gun....
Nice skunk gun SG! Here isa pic of my armadillo gun. :D
Ok,I get a Skunk gun,but armadillos?
I was wondering that as well. Unless armadillos have a massive vicious streak I've not heard about. :think:
You really gotta watch out for them armadillos.
That's right! :D In reality they are a nuisome pest that dig up everything and make big burro holes for livestock to break legs in etc.. Most rual folks around here kill them on sight. :) It is also rumored they carry leprosy. I'm not sure that is true. That seem's to be more of a concern further down south in the swamper regions of the USA. The first one I ever saw was in 1976 when a friend and I were out coon hunting early fall that year. Neither one of us believed what we were seeing so we stopped the truck and jumped out and chased it down and caught it. We knew no one would believe us if we didnt have the armadillo to prove it. they can run petty fast for a little ways. I was 20 years old at the time so I was much lighter a foot than today! :D Now-a-days they are every where digging lookin for bugs, grubs and worms. I've read they really like ants and such. A .22LR works well on them but since I'm more likely to have the Bisley handy than the .22 I call it my armadillo gun. :D Now you know the rest of the story.
Cheers David,that explains it!
Post by: Gareth on March 02, 2016, 10:11:55 AM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on March 02, 2016, 02:57:23 PM
That's right! :D In reality they are a nuisome pest that dig up everything and make big burro holes for livestock to break legs in etc.. Most rual folks around here kill them on sight. :) It is also rumored they carry leprosy. I'm not sure that is true. That seem's to be more of a concern further down south in the swamper regions of the USA. The first one I ever saw was in 1976 when a friend and I were out coon hunting early fall that year. Neither one of us believed what we were seeing so we stopped the truck and jumped out and chased it down and caught it. We knew no one would believe us if we didnt have the armadillo to prove it. they can run petty fast for a little ways. I was 20 years old at the time so I was much lighter a foot than today! :D Now-a-days they are every where digging lookin for bugs, grubs and worms. I've read they really like ants and such. A .22LR works well on them but since I'm more likely to have the Bisley handy than the .22 I call it my armadillo gun. :D Now you know the rest of the story.
Hi David
Do I understand you correctly that their habitat is shifting and they're becoming more common in your area?
I believe they are very similar to our Pangolins which are being driven into extinction by Eastern demand. >:(
Post by: Humppa on March 02, 2016, 10:02:10 PM
I´ve never seen an armadillo in person. They are not here in Europe of any kind. The look interessting, somehow.
So no way of me to talk about armadillos as I don´t have any experiences of any kind.
But .22lr is such a great catridge. I love my guns in .22lr - just for silhouette shooting (i`m no hunter - too expensive here). The ammo is cheap and accurate. I highly prefer the standart velocity rounds over those HVs as they are not as accurate even on the 50 metres range.
Going to short guns. The Walther GSP is the best gun I´ve shot yet. The same with the Anschütz 54. I own an Anschütz bolt action rifle in .22lr that is the most accurate gun I own so far. On the other hand a semi auto .22lr made by Brno Zbrojovka in 1972 is such a wonderful gun as well. Incredible accurate stuff with such a small catridge. Just plain awesome!!
Post by: kirk13 on March 02, 2016, 10:24:25 PM
That's right! :D In reality they are a nuisome pest that dig up everything and make big burro holes for livestock to break legs in etc.. Most rual folks around here kill them on sight. :) It is also rumored they carry leprosy. I'm not sure that is true. That seem's to be more of a concern further down south in the swamper regions of the USA. The first one I ever saw was in 1976 when a friend and I were out coon hunting early fall that year. Neither one of us believed what we were seeing so we stopped the truck and jumped out and chased it down and caught it. We knew no one would believe us if we didnt have the armadillo to prove it. they can run petty fast for a little ways. I was 20 years old at the time so I was much lighter a foot than today! :D Now-a-days they are every where digging lookin for bugs, grubs and worms. I've read they really like ants and such. A .22LR works well on them but since I'm more likely to have the Bisley handy than the .22 I call it my armadillo gun. :D Now you know the rest of the story.
Hi David
Do I understand you correctly that their habitat is shifting and they're becoming more common in your area?
I believe they are very similar to our Pangolins which are being driven into extinction by Eastern demand. >:(
Bugger! I didn't know there were pangolins in Namibia!
Terrible to hear about the poaching. We had perlemon poachers in PE back in the day. Bad,bad people,and the police were turning a blind eye to it
Post by: ColoSwiss on March 02, 2016, 11:08:42 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on March 02, 2016, 11:53:22 PM
Post by: jerseydevil on March 02, 2016, 11:56:28 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on March 03, 2016, 12:13:58 AM
That's right! :D In reality they are a nuisome pest that dig up everything and make big burro holes for livestock to break legs in etc.. Most rual folks around here kill them on sight. :) It is also rumored they carry leprosy. I'm not sure that is true. That seem's to be more of a concern further down south in the swamper regions of the USA. The first one I ever saw was in 1976 when a friend and I were out coon hunting early fall that year. Neither one of us believed what we were seeing so we stopped the truck and jumped out and chased it down and caught it. We knew no one would believe us if we didnt have the armadillo to prove it. they can run petty fast for a little ways. I was 20 years old at the time so I was much lighter a foot than today! :D Now-a-days they are every where digging lookin for bugs, grubs and worms. I've read they really like ants and such. A .22LR works well on them but since I'm more likely to have the Bisley handy than the .22 I call it my armadillo gun. :D Now you know the rest of the story.
Hi David
Do I understand you correctly that their habitat is shifting and they're becoming more common in your area?
I believe they are very similar to our Pangolins which are being driven into extinction by Eastern demand. >:(
Bugger! I didn't know there were pangolins in Namibia!
Terrible to hear about the poaching. We had perlemon poachers in PE back in the day. Bad,bad people,and the police were turning a blind eye to it
We have armadillos around the house every summer....since we lost most of the wildlife to the fires, we only shoot skunks which are a known rabies vector. "Dillas" do very little damage compared to feral hogs and it's fun to watch the kitties stalk them. :rofl:
Post by: ColoSwiss on March 03, 2016, 12:56:01 AM
Sweet! I've always thought the M45 was a neat gun. The only submachine gun I've fired was a M1928A1 Thompson. Amazing weapon!
The 'K' has a very low rate of fire. A series of short bursts produced three groups of holes running from lower left to upper right, basically groups for the 1st, 2nd and 3rd shots. The range manager told me that it was probably the least popular sub gun they had. Most people didn't know what it was. Its also the only 'classic' sub gun they have, everything else being modern. They are working on getting a Thompson in.
The target is my first 100 rounds with the MP5. The second go-round was a lot tighter as I got used to the trigger pull. A fun afternoon. They also have an Uzi, Galil, and an HK UMP that are going to receive future attention.
I'd previously fired an M-1 Thompson and a couple of MAC 10s in 9mm and .45. Also M16s and an M4 carbine (like a lot). Not impressed with the MACs.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on March 03, 2016, 01:48:02 AM
Second, my new thing. Ruger Charger. I have wanted a Ruger 10/22 since approximately forever. Then, when the Charger came out, I wanted that. Due to some very odd circumstances, a gun trade ended up putting this brand new Charger into my hands. Haven't shot it yet, but I'm expecting groups of 1 ragged hole at 25 yards with crap ammo.
Oh, and by law, this is a 'pistol'. I could, in theory, carry it concealed. :rofl:
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m208/lynnlefey/image1_zps0pa3zdgd.jpg)
Post by: SAK Guy on March 03, 2016, 02:08:29 AM
Post by: Chako on March 03, 2016, 02:09:18 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 03, 2016, 02:17:57 AM
Look forward to hearing how it shoots.
Post by: jerseydevil on March 03, 2016, 02:31:11 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on March 03, 2016, 03:01:22 AM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on March 03, 2016, 07:22:35 AM
Bugger! I didn't know there were pangolins in Namibia!
Terrible to hear about the poaching. We had perlemon poachers in PE back in the day. Bad,bad people,and the police were turning a blind eye to it
You regularly read about busts these days, most likely just the tip of the iceberg.....
What astounds me are the quoted values of the perlemoen in the busts......
I've never tasted it, don't even know if it's legally possible?
Poaching is cruel as a rule, but these poor harmless (and extremely cute) animals are some of the unlucky ones that get transported live.... :cry: >:(
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on March 03, 2016, 07:27:34 AM
First off... Hey, I still exist! :D
Second, my new thing. Ruger Charger. I have wanted a Ruger 10/22 since approximately forever. Then, when the Charger came out, I wanted that. Due to some very odd circumstances, a gun trade ended up putting this brand new Charger into my hands. Haven't shot it yet, but I'm expecting groups of 1 ragged hole at 25 yards with crap ammo.
Oh, and by law, this is a 'pistol'. I could, in theory, carry it concealed. :rofl:
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m208/lynnlefey/image1_zps0pa3zdgd.jpg)
Very VERY nice Lynn :tu:
Now I need to show some ignorance, and where better :D
What's the point of this type of firearm, just fun?
One local gun shop has several and the rate very high on the drool-factor, but I've never seen one used for hunting or even at a shooting range? (not that I'm a regular....)
Post by: David on March 03, 2016, 08:37:48 AM
That's right! :D In reality they are a nuisome pest that dig up everything and make big burro holes for livestock to break legs in etc.. Most rual folks around here kill them on sight. :) It is also rumored they carry leprosy. I'm not sure that is true. That seem's to be more of a concern further down south in the swamper regions of the USA. The first one I ever saw was in 1976 when a friend and I were out coon hunting early fall that year. Neither one of us believed what we were seeing so we stopped the truck and jumped out and chased it down and caught it. We knew no one would believe us if we didnt have the armadillo to prove it. they can run petty fast for a little ways. I was 20 years old at the time so I was much lighter a foot than today! :D Now-a-days they are every where digging lookin for bugs, grubs and worms. I've read they really like ants and such. A .22LR works well on them but since I'm more likely to have the Bisley handy than the .22 I call it my armadillo gun. :D Now you know the rest of the story.
Hi David
Do I understand you correctly that their habitat is shifting and they're becoming more common in your area?
I believe they are very similar to our Pangolins which are being driven into extinction by Eastern demand. >:(
That is correct. They have adapted to the cooler cilmate up here. They have so ruined my moms yard she chases them off by whacking them with a shovel. :D I also call them possum on the half shell :D They are an intersting animal. Easy to walk up on if there not startled. It is amazing the amount of ground they can dig up.
That's right! :D In reality they are a nuisome pest that dig up everything and make big burro holes for livestock to break legs in etc.. Most rual folks around here kill them on sight. :) It is also rumored they carry leprosy. I'm not sure that is true. That seem's to be more of a concern further down south in the swamper regions of the USA. The first one I ever saw was in 1976 when a friend and I were out coon hunting early fall that year. Neither one of us believed what we were seeing so we stopped the truck and jumped out and chased it down and caught it. We knew no one would believe us if we didnt have the armadillo to prove it. they can run petty fast for a little ways. I was 20 years old at the time so I was much lighter a foot than today! :D Now-a-days they are every where digging lookin for bugs, grubs and worms. I've read they really like ants and such. A .22LR works well on them but since I'm more likely to have the Bisley handy than the .22 I call it my armadillo gun. :D Now you know the rest of the story.
Hi David
Do I understand you correctly that their habitat is shifting and they're becoming more common in your area?
I believe they are very similar to our Pangolins which are being driven into extinction by Eastern demand. >:(
Bugger! I didn't know there were pangolins in Namibia!
Terrible to hear about the poaching. We had perlemon poachers in PE back in the day. Bad,bad people,and the police were turning a blind eye to it
We have armadillos around the house every summer....since we lost most of the wildlife to the fires, we only shoot skunks which are a known rabies vector. "Dillas" do very little damage compared to feral hogs and it's fun to watch the kitties stalk them. :rofl:
We're starting to get those also. :-\
First off... Hey, I still exist! :D
Second, my new thing. Ruger Charger. I have wanted a Ruger 10/22 since approximately forever. Then, when the Charger came out, I wanted that. Due to some very odd circumstances, a gun trade ended up putting this brand new Charger into my hands. Haven't shot it yet, but I'm expecting groups of 1 ragged hole at 25 yards with crap ammo.
Oh, and by law, this is a 'pistol'. I could, in theory, carry it concealed. :rofl:
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m208/lynnlefey/image1_zps0pa3zdgd.jpg)
Nice!!!
Post by: Gareth on March 03, 2016, 09:43:59 AM
First off... Hey, I still exist! :D
Second, my new thing. Ruger Charger. I have wanted a Ruger 10/22 since approximately forever. Then, when the Charger came out, I wanted that. Due to some very odd circumstances, a gun trade ended up putting this brand new Charger into my hands. Haven't shot it yet, but I'm expecting groups of 1 ragged hole at 25 yards with crap ammo.
Oh, and by law, this is a 'pistol'. I could, in theory, carry it concealed. :rofl:
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m208/lynnlefey/image1_zps0pa3zdgd.jpg)
Good to see you alive and kicking Lynn. :tu: Does the Charger come with a shoulder stock of any kind?
Post by: Lynn LeFey on March 03, 2016, 11:57:40 PM
Very VERY nice Lynn :tu:
Now I need to show some ignorance, and where better :D
What's the point of this type of firearm, just fun?
One local gun shop has several and the rate very high on the drool-factor, but I've never seen one used for hunting or even at a shooting range? (not that I'm a regular....)
Well, the odds of this firearm being shot by me anywhere but a gun range are essentially zero. So, for me it will be a cheap-to-shoot target pistol. Off of a range, should the chance arise, it would be a great 'plinker', for shooting cans or whatever out in the country.
In 'the real world', these make great varmint guns. I remember my grandfather sitting on his back porch overlooking his fields with a .22 rifle on his lap, waiting to shoot anything that tore up his gardens. The lack of stock just means this would need a bench or prone position for high accuracy.
Outside of 'realistic'... you can get a million aftermarket bits for the Ruger 10/22 platform, and do something absurdly 'tacticool' to it like this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI0Za8AtS60
Good to see you alive and kicking Lynn. :tu: Does the Charger come with a shoulder stock of any kind?
Nope. That, and barrel length are the two things that legally define it as a pistol. If it has a barrel under x inches (18 I think, but may be 16?), and stock, it's a 'short barrel rifle'. If it has a barrel OVER 16 or 18, regardless of stock, I think it's a rifle.
EDIT: and a Short Barrel Rifle requires additional paperwork, like a 'tax stamp' or something. I seem to recall it's several hundred extra dollars that I don't want to pay.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 04, 2016, 04:30:31 AM
There is also a minimum overall length that I can't remember atm.
Not sure what it is now but it was $250 for a SBR Tax stamp when I got mine about 10 years ago.
Post by: kmanct3 on March 07, 2016, 10:33:00 PM
Post by: David on March 07, 2016, 11:39:21 PM
Post by: kmanct3 on March 07, 2016, 11:52:52 PM
Post by: David on March 08, 2016, 07:10:19 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on March 08, 2016, 07:17:57 AM
That's a great looking shotgun k!
+100!!!
Post by: kirk13 on March 08, 2016, 11:50:18 AM
My grandfathers 1932 Remington Sportsman (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160307/c30dee40dbf707d38daed9174ab49486.jpg)
Am I right guessing that it's a John Moses Browning design?
Post by: jerseydevil on March 08, 2016, 06:30:52 PM
My grandfathers 1932 Remington Sportsman (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160307/c30dee40dbf707d38daed9174ab49486.jpg)
Am I right guessing that it's a John Moses Browning design?
Yes it is.
Post by: Chako on March 17, 2016, 12:02:04 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on March 17, 2016, 12:59:46 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 17, 2016, 04:32:09 AM
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150930_175453_923.jpg~original)
Sigh.
No idea what is going on with photobucket but I can not post pictures here tonite.
Post by: SAK Guy on March 17, 2016, 04:49:25 AM
Post by: Chako on March 18, 2016, 12:57:47 AM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0386small_zpsqwp595cz.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0386small_zpsqwp595cz.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0387small_zpstlotxeir.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0387small_zpstlotxeir.jpg.html)
Post by: SAK Guy on March 18, 2016, 01:47:01 AM
Post by: Chako on March 18, 2016, 05:49:36 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on March 18, 2016, 06:01:15 AM
I agree. Nicely made with a leather lining.
Bet it's a fast clear on the draw. :tu: Have you done presentation drills with it yet?
I used to use a (discontinued now) Bianchi 52 International....best 45 holster I ever used. It went in the fire.
Post by: Alan K. on March 19, 2016, 03:57:04 AM
Got a new mag for the AR and I am not sure if I posted a picture.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150930_175453_923.jpg~original)
Sigh.
No idea what is going on with photobucket but I can not post pictures here tonite.
What is the capacity of that mag? It looks bigger than a typical 30 rounder.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 19, 2016, 05:00:52 AM
Got a new mag for the AR and I am not sure if I posted a picture.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20150930_175453_923.jpg~original)
Sigh.
No idea what is going on with photobucket but I can not post pictures here tonite.
What is the capacity of that mag? It looks bigger than a typical 30 rounder.
Good eye. 40 round P Mag.
Post by: ColoSwiss on March 30, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
Put a 100 rounds each through an Uzi and a Bushmaster XM15 (basically an M-4 carbine).
The Uzi was fun to shot and fairly accurate, but had a touchy grip safety that sometimes hung up. Also the magazine is difficult to fill.
The Bushmaster is also fun. Handles great, but tends to string its shots vertically. Didn't care for the vertical fore grip.
Post by: SAK Guy on March 31, 2016, 02:39:03 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 31, 2016, 04:51:00 AM
That's so awesome!!!!!! :cheers:
This.
Big Uzi fan.
Post by: Alan K. on March 31, 2016, 05:01:50 AM
Post by: Aloha on March 31, 2016, 06:26:35 AM
That's so awesome!!!!!! :cheers:
This.
Big Uzi fan.
There will be none of these amazing guns here in California. Nope not here, not gonna happen, nope. I was never aware of what we couldn't have here until recently.
Post by: Alan K. on March 31, 2016, 01:42:55 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 31, 2016, 07:55:39 PM
That's so awesome!!!!!! :cheers:
This.
Big Uzi fan.
There will be none of these amazing guns here in California. Nope not here, not gonna happen, nope. I was never aware of what we couldn't have here until recently.
Not in California unless you're one of the criminals.
Post by: captain spaulding on March 31, 2016, 08:46:01 PM
That's so awesome!!!!!! :cheers:
This.
Big Uzi fan.
There will be none of these amazing guns here in California. Nope not here, not gonna happen, nope. I was never aware of what we couldn't have here until recently.
Not exactly a true statement.
There are a few ways to get these in slightly modified versions or even as is, but the second option will be very hard, time consuming, and very expensive.
Post by: Chako on April 01, 2016, 12:34:31 PM
Post by: Gareth on April 01, 2016, 01:47:41 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on April 01, 2016, 02:12:10 PM
That's us mobile
Post by: Gareth on April 01, 2016, 06:38:13 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 01, 2016, 11:04:48 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 01, 2016, 11:05:29 PM
Had a real treat today! Got a chance to fire a 57mm anti-tank gun. WOW! Blew the crap out of a 55 gallon drum!
:whistle: ;) :D
Post by: SAK Guy on April 01, 2016, 11:12:56 PM
Had a real treat today! Got a chance to fire a 57mm anti-tank gun. WOW! Blew the crap out of a 55 gallon drum!
:whistle: ;) :D
LOL! :rofl:
Post by: Chako on April 02, 2016, 12:57:05 AM
I am going to use 357. I have more of that than 38 special right now.
Post by: ducttapetech on April 02, 2016, 03:38:23 AM
Had a real treat today! Got a chance to fire a 57mm anti-tank gun. WOW! Blew the crap out of a 55 gallon drum!Ahhhhh hell yeah!
Nice man!
That's us mobile
Post by: jerseydevil on April 02, 2016, 03:42:40 AM
Had a real treat today! Got a chance to fire a 57mm anti-tank gun. WOW! Blew the crap out of a 55 gallon drum!
Nice! :tu: 57mm M1, the US version of the British QF 6 pounder.
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 02, 2016, 08:09:01 AM
Had a real treat today! Got a chance to fire a 57mm anti-tank gun. WOW! Blew the crap out of a 55 gallon drum!
It's amazing what you can do on April 1st in the privacy of your own home. :D
Post by: Chako on April 04, 2016, 03:37:57 AM
It was around -10C and it was windy. Made for some fun as I can't wear gloves while shooting. It was a bit miserable out there.
Surprisingly, my times were not that far off from the semi-auto folks with 10 rounds. My 6 shooter meant I had to reload a little more often, but it is not that far off from loading a magazine time wise. I did find a few things that could be improved with my gear. The new holster will only improve with use, as I found it just a little tight and stiff. I need to improve one of my speed loader carriers. the new nylon dual carrier I bought is just junk as it is too floppy. My speed loaders were getting caught in the material, which is not good.
For my first time shooting IPSC with a revolver, I am hooked. A few of the guys thought I was shooting 38 specials. They were a little shocked that I was controlling the revolver using 357 magnums so well. I am also as the last and only time I used it was at a fun shoot back in January.
I think this wheel gun is my favorite shooter.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 04, 2016, 04:27:57 AM
I had a great time. We had about 25 competitors show up today. We had 2 in Classic, 1 in Production, 1 in Revolver, and everyone else in Standard class. I did have 2 fumbles of sorts. One of my speed loaders refused to release my cartridges into the cylinder. A second gave me issues that were similar as I had to tap it several times before it gave up the goods.
It was around -10C and it was windy. Made for some fun as I can't wear gloves while shooting. It was a bit miserable out there.
Surprisingly, my times were not that far off from the semi-auto folks with 10 rounds. My 6 shooter meant I had to reload a little more often, but it is not that far off from loading a magazine time wise. I did find a few things that could be improved with my gear. The new holster will only improve with use, as I found it just a little tight and stiff. I need to improve one of my speed loader carriers. the new nylon dual carrier I bought is just junk as it is too floppy. My speed loaders were getting caught in the material, which is not good.
For my first time shooting IPSC with a revolver, I am hooked. A few of the guys thought I was shooting 38 specials. They were a little shocked that I was controlling the revolver using 357 magnums so well. I am also as the last and only time I used it was at a fun shoot back in January.
I think this wheel gun is my favorite shooter.
Very cool man.
Just moved back to Georgia and I still need to see what the shooting scene is around these parts. Jealous.
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 04, 2016, 07:35:56 AM
I had a great time. We had about 25 competitors show up today. We had 2 in Classic, 1 in Production, 1 in Revolver, and everyone else in Standard class. I did have 2 fumbles of sorts. One of my speed loaders refused to release my cartridges into the cylinder. A second gave me issues that were similar as I had to tap it several times before it gave up the goods.
It was around -10C and it was windy. Made for some fun as I can't wear gloves while shooting. It was a bit miserable out there.
Surprisingly, my times were not that far off from the semi-auto folks with 10 rounds. My 6 shooter meant I had to reload a little more often, but it is not that far off from loading a magazine time wise. I did find a few things that could be improved with my gear. The new holster will only improve with use, as I found it just a little tight and stiff. I need to improve one of my speed loader carriers. the new nylon dual carrier I bought is just junk as it is too floppy. My speed loaders were getting caught in the material, which is not good.
For my first time shooting IPSC with a revolver, I am hooked. A few of the guys thought I was shooting 38 specials. They were a little shocked that I was controlling the revolver using 357 magnums so well. I am also as the last and only time I used it was at a fun shoot back in January.
I think this wheel gun is my favorite shooter.
Except for the temperature, it sounds like a fun day. :tu:
Post by: ducttapetech on April 04, 2016, 01:43:01 PM
That's us mobile
Post by: SAK Guy on April 04, 2016, 03:22:53 PM
Nice Chako!
That's us mobile
+1!!!!
Post by: Humppa on April 05, 2016, 09:38:21 PM
I get more and more interessted in old military surplus rifles. Like K98, Mosin Nagant, Swedish Mausers, Schmidt Rubin, Lee Enfield etc etc
They can be had at good price points here. How much does a K98 with a good barrel, most numbers matching, maybe refinished - cost in the US?
Since most of them are russian capture rifles; they were in russian arsenals since the end of WWII or mostly used as hunting rifles. I don´t speak of that extra untouched ones, with all the stamps and such (no interesst in that).
I just love to shoot them. I love the kick they produce - they all shoot rather the way when it comes to recoil (except the swedish ones in 6.5x55SE).
I see many of the russian Mosins at rather low prices, but their accuracy at 100 metres and even at 300 metres is ok, but not as accurate as a Schmidt Rubin or even a Lee Enfield.
Just due to my interesst ... what are the prices in the US (or Canada - if they are legal there)?
Post by: captain spaulding on April 05, 2016, 10:56:58 PM
Post by: Alan K. on April 06, 2016, 01:03:59 AM
Excuse this harsh seeming question, guys. But just a point I´m interessted in.
I get more and more interessted in old military surplus rifles. Like K98, Mosin Nagant, Swedish Mausers, Schmidt Rubin, Lee Enfield etc etc
They can be had at good price points here. How much does a K98 with a good barrel, most numbers matching, maybe refinished - cost in the US?
Since most of them are russian capture rifles; they were in russian arsenals since the end of WWII or mostly used as hunting rifles. I don´t speak of that extra untouched ones, with all the stamps and such (no interesst in that).
I just love to shoot them. I love the kick they produce - they all shoot rather the way when it comes to recoil (except the swedish ones in 6.5x55SE).
I see many of the russian Mosins at rather low prices, but their accuracy at 100 metres and even at 300 metres is ok, but not as accurate as a Schmidt Rubin or even a Lee Enfield.
Just due to my interesst ... what are the prices in the US (or Canada - if they are legal there)?
You might find Gunboards forums interesting. They are mostly collectors there and you will find anything you want to know about surplus rifles and just about anything else. http://www.gunboards.com/
Post by: Humppa on April 06, 2016, 06:59:24 PM
The other forum is a great place to look around. Thanks for the link :)
Post by: Aloha on April 06, 2016, 07:28:05 PM
A couple of guys I know bought these rifles, not necessarily from the link but locally.
Post by: Humppa on April 07, 2016, 06:22:43 PM
More common here is traditionally the K98 at the many manufacturers from that time.
I, honestly, think that the 8mm Mauser is a more accurate ammunition than the 7.62x54R. The 8mm Mauser is comparable the 30-06 Springfield.
Also reloading components are widely available here.
:cheers:
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 07, 2016, 10:26:35 PM
Post by: jerseydevil on April 08, 2016, 07:21:24 AM
Most commercial 8mm ammo sold in the US is loaded very lightly as a concession to old rifles in poor condition and product liability lawyers.
Supposedly that's mostly because of the so-called "J" bore. The original loading for the 7.92x57 for the Model 88 Commission rifle and early Gew. 98's has a round nose, .318" bullet. In 1905, the .323" spitzer bullet at a higher velocity was introduced. Any Gew 88 with an "S" stamped on the reciever ring was converted to the new cartridge. 98's manufactured after 1905, with the exception of late war ones, are safe with full-power ammunition. In the 7.92x57mmS configuration, the round is equal to the .30-06.
Post by: Humppa on April 10, 2016, 11:12:01 AM
The 8mm Mauser is also know for very flat shooting.
But JD is right, the rifles were made for a lighter load. But during WWI the harder load got true. It is marked as "IS" for "Infanterie Spitz" on the ammo and the gun as well. A lighter load can like stamped with "I" can be shot on an "IS" stamped gun, of course. Like the .44 Spec. out of a .44 Mag gun.
About the availablility of the guns and ammo in Europe. It seems most of the guns available are post WWI made and almost chambered for the 8x57IS catridge; so for the full power loads. It ist possible to find good ones that still can be used for hunting. Many hunters here nowadays use the catridge and the Mauser system again. Some of the guns are even chambered the "Big Five" calibers. So there is no question about the reliability of the system at all.
Post by: Chako on April 10, 2016, 09:59:51 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 10, 2016, 10:57:31 PM
The Mosin Nagant runs around the same price as an SKS in Canada...which is around the low 200 dollar mark.
You can pick up both of these rifles for free in Afghanistan.
Post by: Chako on April 11, 2016, 12:13:36 AM
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I am really liking a revolver over a semi-automatic...go figure.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 11, 2016, 01:38:46 AM
Here are a few more photos of my competition gun with the old Precision Pistol Competition (PPC) holster.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0883small_zpsktienj9d.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0883small_zpsktienj9d.jpg.html)
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(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0896small_zpsnzohzct5.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0896small_zpsnzohzct5.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0897small_zpsybryrdg3.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0897small_zpsybryrdg3.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo003/IMG_0898small_zpsouyurgji.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo003/IMG_0898small_zpsouyurgji.jpg.html)
I am really liking a revolver over a semi-automatic...go figure.
Are you sure? Would be happy to take that old thing off your hands.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 11, 2016, 01:39:26 AM
The Mosin Nagant runs around the same price as an SKS in Canada...which is around the low 200 dollar mark.
You can pick up both of these rifles for free in Afghanistan.
Only dropped once.
Post by: jerseydevil on April 11, 2016, 04:28:44 AM
Well, the 8mm Mauser (7.92x57 IS) that is sold in Germany/Europe is not loaded light or soft at all. It is a full power hunting load and widely known as a hog hammer. Wild boars are problem here and most hunters like the .30-06 or the 8mm Mauser on these animals due to the good ballistics. It´s energy can be rather high about 4,100 Joule at E(0).
The 8mm Mauser is also know for very flat shooting.
But JD is right, the rifles were made for a lighter load. But during WWI the harder load got true. It is marked as "IS" for "Infanterie Spitz" on the ammo and the gun as well. A lighter load can like stamped with "I" can be shot on an "IS" stamped gun, of course. Like the .44 Spec. out of a .44 Mag gun.
About the availablility of the guns and ammo in Europe. It seems most of the guns available are post WWI made and almost chambered for the 8x57IS catridge; so for the full power loads. It ist possible to find good ones that still can be used for hunting. Many hunters here nowadays use the catridge and the Mauser system again. Some of the guns are even chambered the "Big Five" calibers. So there is no question about the reliability of the system at all.
The 98 Mauser action is one of the best bolt actions ever devised. The famous "pre-64" Model 70 Winchester was a slightly modified Mauser. When it comes to ammunition in 8x57, knowing your rifle is important. My Kar98k can be fed IS ammo all day with no problem, but my fathers Gew88 won't. Kinda like my M1895 Marlin and M1873 Trapdoor Springfield. They're both chambered for .45-70, but modern hunting ammo for the Marlin will blow the Trapdoor into pieces........
Post by: Gryffin on April 11, 2016, 05:24:29 AM
Had a real treat today! Got a chance to fire a 57mm anti-tank gun. WOW! Blew the crap out of a 55 gallon drum!
God bless the Right to Keep and Bear Artillery! :salute:
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 11, 2016, 07:38:20 AM
Had a real treat today! Got a chance to fire a 57mm anti-tank gun. WOW! Blew the crap out of a 55 gallon drum!
God bless the Right to Keep and Bear Artillery! :salute:
As mentioned above, that 'occurred' on April 1. :D
Read an article some years back about an artillery club that fires modern (WWI-WWII) artillery, which is what inspired that post. However I can't find a website for them. There are also several operations that rent various tanks. You too can crush a car!
http://adventuretravel.about.com/od/usadventureresorts/qt/Drive-A-Tank-Drive-Authentic-Military-Tanks.htm
Post by: Chako on April 11, 2016, 06:22:50 PM
I got to ride in one. :D
Post by: ducttapetech on April 11, 2016, 06:24:54 PM
That's us mobile
Post by: SteveC on April 11, 2016, 06:40:26 PM
You lucky duck!
That's us mobile
:D
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Post by: Gareth on April 11, 2016, 06:45:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoN6mKIK1rM
http://tankdrivingscotland.com/
OK, so it's an M113 that you get to drive rather than an actual tank, but it still looks like fun. :)
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 11, 2016, 06:58:55 PM
Given that this is on the grounds where I shoot every week I really should give it a go. 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoN6mKIK1rM
http://tankdrivingscotland.com/
OK, so it's an M113 that you get to drive rather than an actual tank, but it still looks like fun. :)
That's the only armored vehicle I've driven. Have crawled around inside M48 and M60 Patton tanks. Suspect I couldn't get through the hatch nowadays. Toured the USS Bowfin (submarine) out at Pearl Harbor some years back. Between a small hatch and an awkwardly placed piece of equipment I almost became a permanent part of the exhibit. Didn't do my back or leg any good.
Post by: Humppa on April 11, 2016, 07:52:30 PM
Hand guns in this weight class, lenght and chambering tend not to kick even a little bit.
I like shooting these 6" handguns. Can it be .357Mag or .44Mag...
Much more than any of these semi auto plastic guns that are around these days.
@JD: yes, the K98 can be fed with the full power loads while the Gewehr 88 won´t be able to stand that catridge for too long. I´ve seen a damascus-barrel shotgun shot in black powder that was used with regular smokeless powder catridges - and the good ol' german Waidmannsheil catridges. It was actually blown. A pitty for such an old beauty in 16/70 (No, it was not my shotgun, fortunatelly). The same could happen with the Gewehr 88 when loaded with the full power catridges.
Actually I haven´t heard about the differences in .45-70Gov. Seems to be the same reason as it is with the old 8mmMauser. Are the lower ones you are talking about loaded with black powder?
Post by: jerseydevil on April 11, 2016, 11:59:29 PM
Post by: kirk13 on April 12, 2016, 12:15:05 AM
Given that this is on the grounds where I shoot every week I really should give it a go. 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoN6mKIK1rM
http://tankdrivingscotland.com/
OK, so it's an M113 that you get to drive rather than an actual tank, but it still looks like fun. :)
I could be wrong G,but I think that's a British FV432 :think:
Post by: Gryffin on April 12, 2016, 12:31:51 AM
That's the only armored vehicle I've driven. Have crawled around inside M48 and M60 Patton tanks. Suspect I couldn't get through the hatch nowadays. Toured the USS Bowfin (submarine) out at Pearl Harbor some years back. Between a small hatch and an awkwardly placed piece of equipment I almost became a permanent part of the exhibit. Didn't do my back or leg any good.
Great post. Tanks for the memories! :cheers:
Post by: Chako on April 12, 2016, 01:56:34 AM
Yes, I started out with a 9mm S&W M&P. I am not that much of a fan of the light plastic guns.
Post by: Gareth on April 12, 2016, 10:00:14 AM
Given that this is on the grounds where I shoot every week I really should give it a go. 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoN6mKIK1rM
http://tankdrivingscotland.com/
OK, so it's an M113 that you get to drive rather than an actual tank, but it still looks like fun. :)
I could be wrong G,but I think that's a British FV432 :think:
Most likely you are right. :salute:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 12, 2016, 02:20:18 PM
That's the only armored vehicle I've driven. Have crawled around inside M48 and M60 Patton tanks. Suspect I couldn't get through the hatch nowadays. Toured the USS Bowfin (submarine) out at Pearl Harbor some years back. Between a small hatch and an awkwardly placed piece of equipment I almost became a permanent part of the exhibit. Didn't do my back or leg any good.
Great post. Tanks for the memories! :cheers:
Sigh.
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 14, 2016, 01:31:06 AM
Looks like the one above is a FV432.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 15, 2016, 04:58:02 AM
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Post by: jerseydevil on April 15, 2016, 05:56:54 AM
Followed me home.
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Nice! :tu: .22 Magnum? I have the same problem with Lee-Enfields and Mannlicher-Carcanos appearing in my gun cabinet out of thin air..... ::)
Post by: captain spaulding on April 15, 2016, 06:08:04 AM
Followed me home.
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Sweet! I have the .22lr. Looks identical. I have 3 or 4 different grips and a pocket holster. :tu:
Post by: Gryffin on April 15, 2016, 03:12:21 PM
Followed me home.
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Wait, we went from 57mm artillery and tanks to this??? Helluva downsizing. :rofl
Post by: jerseydevil on April 15, 2016, 04:51:22 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on April 15, 2016, 04:59:11 PM
Ah, but that's a .22 loaded with APFSDS rounds in the picture..... ;)
Uhh.... That would be awesome!
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 15, 2016, 06:20:48 PM
Ah, but that's a .22 loaded with APFSDS rounds in the picture..... ;)
Uhh.... That would be awesome!
Like this.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 15, 2016, 06:33:28 PM
Followed me home.
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Nice! :tu: .22 Magnum? I have the same problem with Lee-Enfields and Mannlicher-Carcanos appearing in my gun cabinet out of thin air..... ::)
Two cylinders, .22 WMR and .22 LR.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 15, 2016, 06:34:48 PM
Followed me home.
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Sweet! I have the .22lr. Looks identical. I have 3 or 4 different grips and a pocket holster. :tu:
Yours is a dedicated .22 LR? Those are a little shorter and was almost what I purchased.
Have my eye on a couple of grips and what by all reports is a beautiful and functional hand crafted leather pocket holster being made for it.
Post by: Gryffin on April 15, 2016, 06:37:03 PM
Ah, but that's a .22 loaded with APFSDS rounds in the picture..... ;)
Ah! Wish I had one, that would be great for AGHs. (Armored Ground Hogs) :D
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 15, 2016, 06:38:44 PM
Followed me home.
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Wait, we went from 57mm artillery and tanks to this??? Helluva downsizing. :rofl
True. In my defense I am not officially retired for a couple more months and live about three miles from more tanks and APC's then you can shake a stick at.
Post by: Gryffin on April 15, 2016, 07:12:41 PM
True. In my defense I am not officially retired for a couple more months and live about three miles from more tanks and APC's then you can shake a stick at.
I try avoid shaking sticks at tanks, it might make them angry. I don't like them when they're angry.
Post by: captain spaulding on April 15, 2016, 08:51:39 PM
Followed me home.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Sweet! I have the .22lr. Looks identical. I have 3 or 4 different grips and a pocket holster. :tu:
Yours is a dedicated .22 LR? Those are a little shorter and was almost what I purchased.
Have my eye on a couple of grips and what by all reports is a beautiful and functional hand crafted leather pocket holster being made for it.
Yes it is.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 16, 2016, 05:51:55 AM
Followed me home.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Sweet! I have the .22lr. Looks identical. I have 3 or 4 different grips and a pocket holster. :tu:
Yours is a dedicated .22 LR? Those are a little shorter and was almost what I purchased.
Have my eye on a couple of grips and what by all reports is a beautiful and functional hand crafted leather pocket holster being made for it.
Yes it is.
Was thinking that if I keep this conversation going how many times could we see this same picture posted?
Post by: David on April 16, 2016, 07:28:25 AM
Followed me home.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Sweet! I have the .22lr. Looks identical. I have 3 or 4 different grips and a pocket holster. :tu:
Yours is a dedicated .22 LR? Those are a little shorter and was almost what I purchased.
Have my eye on a couple of grips and what by all reports is a beautiful and functional hand crafted leather pocket holster being made for it.
Yes it is.
Was thinking that if I keep this conversation going how many times could we see this same picture posted?
I'll play :D
Post by: cbl51 on April 16, 2016, 10:04:01 AM
I've had a mini revolver most times in my pocket since my first one in 1985. Twice in all those years, it made a difference. The muzzle flash at night is unreal.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5596/14130682078_24fc36381a_c.jpg)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 16, 2016, 02:43:25 PM
I like small firearms as much as I like small compact pocket knives!
I've had a mini revolver most times in my pocket since my first one in 1985. Twice in all those years, it made a difference. The muzzle flash at night is unreal.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5596/14130682078_24fc36381a_c.jpg)
You had to use your pistol in anger twice? Whatever you are doing it might be a good idea to maybe carry a full sized pistol.
By the way did you see the picture of the NAA Mini I bought?
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Post by: Gareth on April 16, 2016, 04:28:06 PM
I like small firearms as much as I like small compact pocket knives!
I've had a mini revolver most times in my pocket since my first one in 1985. Twice in all those years, it made a difference. The muzzle flash at night is unreal.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5596/14130682078_24fc36381a_c.jpg)
You had to use your pistol in anger twice? Whatever you are doing it might be a good idea to maybe carry a full sized pistol.
By the way did you see the picture of the NAA Mini I bought?
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
I've got to say that it's very cool. 8) I'm just wondering what it'll be when it grows up. :whistle:
Post by: jerseydevil on April 16, 2016, 05:17:40 PM
Post by: cbl51 on April 16, 2016, 05:22:07 PM
I like small firearms as much as I like small compact pocket knives!
I've had a mini revolver most times in my pocket since my first one in 1985. Twice in all those years, it made a difference. The muzzle flash at night is unreal.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5596/14130682078_24fc36381a_c.jpg)
You had to use your pistol in anger twice? Whatever you are doing it might be a good idea to maybe carry a full sized pistol.
By the way did you see the picture of the NAA Mini I bought?
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
I've got to say that it's very cool. 8) I'm just wondering what it'll be when it grows up. :whistle:
It's hoping to become one of these!
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8717/16601730048_9a3b15d986_c.jpg)
Post by: Okie Shyster on April 17, 2016, 12:31:57 AM
I like small firearms as much as I like small compact pocket knives!
I've had a mini revolver most times in my pocket since my first one in 1985. Twice in all those years, it made a difference. The muzzle flash at night is unreal.
I imagine the recoil is something to behold as well. :D
Post by: jerseydevil on April 17, 2016, 02:24:11 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 17, 2016, 03:12:22 AM
I like small firearms as much as I like small compact pocket knives!
I've had a mini revolver most times in my pocket since my first one in 1985. Twice in all those years, it made a difference. The muzzle flash at night is unreal.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5596/14130682078_24fc36381a_c.jpg)
You had to use your pistol in anger twice? Whatever you are doing it might be a good idea to maybe carry a full sized pistol.
By the way did you see the picture of the NAA Mini I bought?
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
I've got to say that it's very cool. 8) I'm just wondering what it'll be when it grows up. :whistle:
It's hoping to become one of these!
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8717/16601730048_9a3b15d986_c.jpg)
Very nice Smith, wanna sell?
Post by: cbl51 on April 17, 2016, 06:16:45 AM
I like small firearms as much as I like small compact pocket knives!
I've had a mini revolver most times in my pocket since my first one in 1985. Twice in all those years, it made a difference. The muzzle flash at night is unreal.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5596/14130682078_24fc36381a_c.jpg)
You had to use your pistol in anger twice? Whatever you are doing it might be a good idea to maybe carry a full sized pistol.
By the way did you see the picture of the NAA Mini I bought?
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
I've got to say that it's very cool. 8) I'm just wondering what it'll be when it grows up. :whistle:
It's hoping to become one of these!
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8717/16601730048_9a3b15d986_c.jpg)
Very nice Smith, wanna sell?
No way!!!
That gun has been with me since 1972. It's an old friend that's covered a lot of miles with me.
Post by: Humppa on April 17, 2016, 11:20:55 AM
Want to see some muzzle flash? Fire a Lee Enfield No. 5 "jungle carbine" at night. Even during the day the flash is incredible. At night you get a two foot long flame. The rifle was issued with a flash hider, to try and protect troops from being dazzled by their own weapon......
Never shot a short Lee Enfield Jungle Carbine. But I like their looks. What I shot, and what also produced a mighty fireball was a Gebirgsjägerkarabiner (Mountain Men Carbine) for the Wehrmacht - a very short K98k in 8x57IS. It kicked like a mule and produced a fireball that would really make you dazzle when shooting at night.
Hard to find and rather expensive. But since my great-grandfather was in the a Mountain Man of the Wehrmacht in WWII and he carried such a gun. It was a very interessting experience to shoot with such a short gun and full power rifle loads.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 17, 2016, 02:30:54 PM
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 17, 2016, 02:31:59 PM
I like small firearms as much as I like small compact pocket knives!
I've had a mini revolver most times in my pocket since my first one in 1985. Twice in all those years, it made a difference. The muzzle flash at night is unreal.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5596/14130682078_24fc36381a_c.jpg)
You had to use your pistol in anger twice? Whatever you are doing it might be a good idea to maybe carry a full sized pistol.
By the way did you see the picture of the NAA Mini I bought?
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
I've got to say that it's very cool. 8) I'm just wondering what it'll be when it grows up. :whistle:
It's hoping to become one of these!
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8717/16601730048_9a3b15d986_c.jpg)
Very nice Smith, wanna sell?
No way!!!
That gun has been with me since 1972. It's an old friend that's covered a lot of miles with me.
So a tenative yes?
Post by: captain spaulding on April 17, 2016, 06:52:09 PM
Speaking of mighty fireballs, my NAA Mini will produce a mighty fireball with .22 WMR out of it short barrel.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Make sure you have a good grip. :D
Seriously even with the .22lr you are only holding the grip with a single finger and it always feels like its going to fly right out of your hand in my opinion. That's why the pocket clip folding grip interest me. Well that and who doesn't want to carry a gun that folds out like a knife.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 17, 2016, 08:10:49 PM
Speaking of mighty fireballs, my NAA Mini will produce a mighty fireball with .22 WMR out of it short barrel.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Make sure you have a good grip. :D
Seriously even with the .22lr you are only holding the grip with a single finger and it always feels like its going to fly right out of your hand in my opinion. That's why the pocket clip folding grip interest me. Well that and who doesn't want to carry a gun that folds out like a knife.
I am buying a grip for it that is only a little bigger but is suppose to make a world of difference.
Knife gun? Yes please!
Post by: jerseydevil on April 17, 2016, 10:14:48 PM
Want to see some muzzle flash? Fire a Lee Enfield No. 5 "jungle carbine" at night. Even during the day the flash is incredible. At night you get a two foot long flame. The rifle was issued with a flash hider, to try and protect troops from being dazzled by their own weapon......
Never shot a short Lee Enfield Jungle Carbine. But I like their looks. What I shot, and what also produced a mighty fireball was a Gebirgsjägerkarabiner (Mountain Men Carbine) for the Wehrmacht - a very short K98k in 8x57IS. It kicked like a mule and produced a fireball that would really make you dazzle when shooting at night.
Hard to find and rather expensive. But since my great-grandfather was in the a Mountain Man of the Wehrmacht in WWII and he carried such a gun. It was a very interessting experience to shoot with such a short gun and full power rifle loads.
The Jungle Carbine was similar, a limited issue rifle for troops fighting in Burma. Originals are hard to find, but mine came from my father for my 18th birthday. :D The No. 5 kicked so bad that it was issued with a rubber buttpad! In attempt to keep weight down, the action had lightening cuts in it, which resulted in the infamous "wandering zero". The rifle wouldn't stay properly sighted in. I've never heard of that Kar98k variant, very cool! :tu:
Post by: captain spaulding on April 17, 2016, 10:15:58 PM
Speaking of mighty fireballs, my NAA Mini will produce a mighty fireball with .22 WMR out of it short barrel.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Make sure you have a good grip. :D
Seriously even with the .22lr you are only holding the grip with a single finger and it always feels like its going to fly right out of your hand in my opinion. That's why the pocket clip folding grip interest me. Well that and who doesn't want to carry a gun that folds out like a knife.
I am buying a grip for it that is only a little bigger but is suppose to make a world of difference.
Knife gun? Yes please!
Sweet! Pics when it comes in. :pok:
Post by: jerseydevil on April 17, 2016, 10:29:38 PM
Speaking of mighty fireballs, my NAA Mini will produce a mighty fireball with .22 WMR out of it short barrel.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Make sure you have a good grip. :D
Seriously even with the .22lr you are only holding the grip with a single finger and it always feels like its going to fly right out of your hand in my opinion. That's why the pocket clip folding grip interest me. Well that and who doesn't want to carry a gun that folds out like a knife.
I am buying a grip for it that is only a little bigger but is suppose to make a world of difference.
Knife gun? Yes please!
Here you go. :D .54 caliber M1838 Elgin cutlass pistol, developed for the US Navy.
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/Elgin_cutlass_pistol_zpsnkgsdxaq.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/Elgin_cutlass_pistol_zpsnkgsdxaq.jpg.html)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 18, 2016, 01:39:23 AM
Speaking of mighty fireballs, my NAA Mini will produce a mighty fireball with .22 WMR out of it short barrel.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Make sure you have a good grip. :D
Seriously even with the .22lr you are only holding the grip with a single finger and it always feels like its going to fly right out of your hand in my opinion. That's why the pocket clip folding grip interest me. Well that and who doesn't want to carry a gun that folds out like a knife.
I am buying a grip for it that is only a little bigger but is suppose to make a world of difference.
Knife gun? Yes please!
Sweet! Pics when it comes in. :pok:
JD beat me to it.
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 18, 2016, 03:59:54 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 18, 2016, 04:56:39 AM
Knife gun? French 'Apache' pistol combined revolver, knife, and brass knucks.
Looks a lot like my new NAA Mini.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Post by: Gryffin on April 18, 2016, 05:50:10 PM
Here you go. :D .54 caliber M1838 Elgin cutlass pistol, developed for the US Navy.
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/Elgin_cutlass_pistol_zpsnkgsdxaq.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/Elgin_cutlass_pistol_zpsnkgsdxaq.jpg.html)
Hey, when you only have one shot, a big sharp backup isn't a bad idea!
Post by: captain spaulding on April 18, 2016, 05:54:37 PM
Knife gun? French 'Apache' pistol combined revolver, knife, and brass knucks.
Looks a lot like my new NAA Mini.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
No it looks like this NAA. :D
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mKgww2ohcsM/TC6POp1COPI/AAAAAAAAAKc/m2mDaYnX3V0/s1600/68124_A.jpg)
Post by: Aloha on April 18, 2016, 08:14:34 PM
Knife gun? French 'Apache' pistol combined revolver, knife, and brass knucks.
:o
This is crazy looking and cool.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 18, 2016, 10:16:01 PM
Knife gun? French 'Apache' pistol combined revolver, knife, and brass knucks.
:o
This is crazy looking and cool.
Yeah except I carry mine in my front pocket, ouch.
Post by: Fortytwo on April 18, 2016, 10:31:34 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 19, 2016, 02:45:23 PM
While you guys are on the topic of multi-tool firearms I'll take the opportunity to show this one as seen at a local museum. One of the disciples of Linnaeus used it on his trip to South Africa. Sorry about the bad picture.
Battle axe rifle? Very neat.
Hey 42 have you seen my new NAA Mini?
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Post by: Gryffin on April 19, 2016, 04:31:15 PM
Yeah except I carry mine in my front pocket, ouch.
Not with that one. At least, not more than once. :rofl:
Post by: jerseydevil on April 19, 2016, 06:05:09 PM
Hey 42 have you seen my new NAA Mini?
You got a new NAA Mini? Cool! Can I see a pic?
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 19, 2016, 06:43:22 PM
Hey 42 have you seen my new NAA Mini?
You got a new NAA Mini? Cool! Can I see a pic?
I might have a picture around here somewhere.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Post by: jerseydevil on April 19, 2016, 07:33:07 PM
Post by: Alan K. on April 19, 2016, 07:44:43 PM
True. In my defense I am not officially retired for a couple more months and live about three miles from more tanks and APC's then you can shake a stick at.
I try avoid shaking sticks at tanks, it might make them angry. I don't like them when they're angry.
Reminds me of a joke...
A young Russian was on his way to the Eastern Front and there were no more Moisin Nagant rifles to be issued so the sergeant snapped the head off of a broom and handed the young man the broom stick and said point this at the enemy and yell bangedy bangedy bangedy and they will fall dead at your feet. The young man looked suspiciously at the broom stick and asked what he was supposed to do if the enemy was close? The sergeant cut the string from around the straw of the discarded broom head and tied it to the end of the broom stick and said this is your bayonet. If the enemy is close you jab this at them and yell stabedy stabedy stabedy and the enemy will fall dead at your feet.
The young Russian was soon in the thick of the fighting and yelling bangedy bangedy bangedy, stabedy stabedy stabedy and the enemy was piled thick at his feet. Then he saw a lone German walking slowly across the field towards him so he raised his broomstick and yelled bangedy bangedy bangedy, but the German did not fall. So, again the Russian pointed his broom stick and yelled bangedy bangedy bangedy, and still the German did not fall. Finally, the German was close so the Russian jabbed the stick towards the German and yelled stabedy stabedy stabedy, and the German kept coming. Then the German was on top of the young Russian and just completely stomped him into the mud and kept going.
As he lay dying, the young Russian turned his head and heard the German saying as he walked, tankedy tankedy tankedy tankedy.
Post by: Gryffin on April 19, 2016, 08:45:23 PM
Reminds me of a joke...
:twak:
:D
Post by: powernoodle on April 19, 2016, 10:28:07 PM
A couple of days ago, I picked up this Glock 19 Gen 4 in Flat Dark Earth cerakote. I picked this over the standard black, and available Desert Sand and (hideous) Burnt Bronze flavors. Though I own 11x other Glocks, this is my first Generation 4, and I can certainly tell that the grip is a little smaller - which I like. While I feel fully equipped with the 6+1 rounds of 9mm in the 43 and a spare mag on my belt, the 19 provides a full grip, longer sight radius and 16 rounds of spicy 9mm. This one will get carried in a Blade-tech kydex belt holster.
Post by: Fortytwo on April 19, 2016, 11:24:37 PM
Hey 42 have you seen my new NAA Mini?
You got a new NAA Mini? Cool! Can I see a pic?
I might have a picture around here somewhere.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Nice, I Like it!
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 19, 2016, 11:57:39 PM
True. In my defense I am not officially retired for a couple more months and live about three miles from more tanks and APC's then you can shake a stick at.
I try avoid shaking sticks at tanks, it might make them angry. I don't like them when they're angry.
Reminds me of a joke...
A young Russian was on his way to the Eastern Front and there were no more Moisin Nagant rifles to be issued so the sergeant snapped the head off of a broom and handed the young man the broom stick and said point this at the enemy and yell bangedy bangedy bangedy and they will fall dead at your feet. The young man looked suspiciously at the broom stick and asked what he was supposed to do if the enemy was close? The sergeant cut the string from around the straw of the discarded broom head and tied it to the end of the broom stick and said this is your bayonet. If the enemy is close you jab this at them and yell stabedy stabedy stabedy and the enemy will fall dead at your feet.
The young Russian was soon in the thick of the fighting and yelling bangedy bangedy bangedy, stabedy stabedy stabedy and the enemy was piled thick at his feet. Then he saw a lone German walking slowly across the field towards him so he raised his broomstick and yelled bangedy bangedy bangedy, but the German did not fall. So, again the Russian pointed his broom stick and yelled bangedy bangedy bangedy, and still the German did not fall. Finally, the German was close so the Russian jabbed the stick towards the German and yelled stabedy stabedy stabedy, and the German kept coming. Then the German was on top of the young Russian and just completely stomped him into the mud and kept going.
As he lay dying, the young Russian turned his head and heard the German saying as he walked, tankedy tankedy tankedy tankedy.
Sigh.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 20, 2016, 12:01:59 AM
(http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag137/toddh6/8d57d5bc-0dea-4105-acc8-67c9d36c594c_zps4ewu521u.jpg)
A couple of days ago, I picked up this Glock 19 Gen 4 in Flat Dark Earth cerakote. I picked this over the standard black, and available Desert Sand and (hideous) Burnt Bronze flavors. Though I own 11x other Glocks, this is my first Generation 4, and I can certainly tell that the grip is a little smaller - which I like. While I feel fully equipped with the 6+1 rounds of 9mm in the 43 and a spare mag on my belt, the 19 provides a full grip, longer sight radius and 16 rounds of spicy 9mm. This one will get carried in a Blade-tech kydex belt holster.
Far and away my favorite Glock and I.would still be carrying one if it was not for the magic that is the CZ DA/SA trigger.
That cerakote is sweet looking, maybe I should have my NAA Mini done.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Post by: ironraven on April 20, 2016, 06:05:24 AM
(http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag137/toddh6/8d57d5bc-0dea-4105-acc8-67c9d36c594c_zps4ewu521u.jpg)
They had one just like that at my favorite LGS, and a GREY one. They grey almost talked me into taking it home, but they had a lefty Tavor in and there isn't enough in the Tavor jar to bring one of those home yet.
Post by: David on April 20, 2016, 09:30:19 AM
Hey 42 have you seen my new NAA Mini?
You got a new NAA Mini? Cool! Can I see a pic?
I might have a picture around here somewhere.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
:D
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 20, 2016, 02:38:30 PM
(http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag137/toddh6/8d57d5bc-0dea-4105-acc8-67c9d36c594c_zps4ewu521u.jpg)
They had one just like that at my favorite LGS, and a GREY one. They grey almost talked me into taking it home, but they had a lefty Tavor in and there isn't enough in the Tavor jar to bring one of those home yet.
What is a Tavor?
Does it look anything like my new NAA Mini?
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Post by: derekmac on April 20, 2016, 02:56:56 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 20, 2016, 04:50:39 PM
I wonder if anyone here has an NAA Mini? I'd sure love to see a pic of one if they did!
If nobody else gets you one I will see if I have one of my NAA Mini around here somewhere.
Post by: Gareth on April 20, 2016, 05:13:00 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 20, 2016, 05:21:17 PM
I really like the look of the NAA 1860 "Earl", but wish it had a much shorter barrel. Does such a revolver exist?
Now that you mention it the pistol you describe is much like me NAA Mini. Have you seen a picture of it?
Here is one I took the other day.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Post by: Alan K. on April 20, 2016, 07:11:27 PM
Post by: cbl51 on April 20, 2016, 07:46:06 PM
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1681/26518891766_b31e24a267_c.jpg)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1653/26452636382_937111bbd1_c.jpg)
Post by: cbl51 on April 20, 2016, 08:00:54 PM
They are like a peanut size pocket knife, or a small Leatherman squirt or a Fenix E01. It may not work as well as a full size gun, like the Leatherman squirt will not be as good as a full size tool. But they are small enough that, you can always have one on or close by instead of being left home for being too heavy or bulky. For as long as firearms have been made, there has been a cult following of the small derringer size pistol that will fit in a pocket and not be noticed until needed. After the Civil war, the metallic self contained cartridge gave birth to all sorts of small pocket pistols. The famed Sharps 4 barrel derringer, the Remington 1866 over under derringer that is shown in so many westerns, the small original mini revolvers the Smith And Wesson model 1 in .22. The little break open Smith and Wesson's were popular with officers on both sides of the war as a last ditch hide out gun in a sash or pocket.
Sometimes less is more. :D
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1531/25947933391_975efb4808_c.jpg)
Post by: Humppa on April 20, 2016, 08:34:04 PM
So a few question... how do they operate? I suppose they are single action revolers, so you have to cock the hammer before shooting. Is that correct - or are they even SA/DA triggers?
How are they chambered? I always thought on .22lr or similar, but the pics, Carl has shared are definitelly showing primers, so no rimfire catridges.
Just for my interest in firearms in general.
Thanks in advance.
Post by: cbl51 on April 20, 2016, 08:46:31 PM
I really like the look of those mini revolvers somehow. But they are pretty unknown in my country as it is not legal to carry a weapon at all. Except hunters while hunting or sportshooter like me while sporting. But we are limited in our small guns and rifles. And these are way too small for using as a sportsgun.
So a few question... how do they operate? I suppose they are single action revolers, so you have to cock the hammer before shooting. Is that correct - or are they even SA/DA triggers?
How are they chambered? I always thought on .22lr or similar, but the pics, Carl has shared are definitelly showing primers, so no rimfire catridges.
Just for my interest in firearms in general.
Thanks in advance.
Andi, they are indeed a single action mechanism, that has to be cocked for each shot. All of mine are .22Long rifle round and rimfire. What you may be seeing in the photos are the ammo manufacturers brand stamp on the rear far of the shell. They are standard .22 ammo.
Post by: Humppa on April 20, 2016, 09:16:30 PM
Sorry for my mistake.... :-\
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 20, 2016, 11:31:14 PM
(Not a 'peanut' gun. :D )
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 21, 2016, 12:11:08 AM
I wonder if anyone here has an NAA Mini? I'd sure love to see a pic of one if they did!
Since nobody else.posted a picture of a NAA Mini I suppose a picture of mine will have to do. Pretty sure I never posted this one.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Post by: derekmac on April 21, 2016, 12:12:26 AM
That's pretty cool lookin! Pretty sure I've never seen that pic before either.I wonder if anyone here has an NAA Mini? I'd sure love to see a pic of one if they did!
Since nobody else.posted a picture of a NAA Mini I suppose a picture of mine will have to do. Pretty sure I never posted this one.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 21, 2016, 12:12:30 AM
Thanks for clearing, Carl! A .22 in such a small gun ... must be an interessting experience to shoot. Bust have been on the angle that I thought there would be primers visible.
Sorry for my mistake.... :-\
There are also models chambered for .22 WMR.
Post by: Gryffin on April 21, 2016, 12:25:20 AM
Since nobody else.posted a picture of a NAA Mini I suppose a picture of mine will have to do. Pretty sure I never posted this one.That's pretty cool lookin! Pretty sure I've never seen that pic before either.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg)
:twak:
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 21, 2016, 02:56:33 AM
Since nobody else.posted a picture of a NAA Mini I suppose a picture of mine will have to do. Pretty sure I never posted this one.That's pretty cool lookin! Pretty sure I've never seen that pic before either.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg)
:twak:
Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.
18 times is all-out war!! :viking:
Post by: ironraven on April 21, 2016, 05:41:43 AM
Good thing I held off.
My car is jealous of my knives and firearms.
What is a Tavor?
Does it look anything like my new NAA Mini?
Uhm. Yeah, sorta. It has a trigger and it is a firearm.
IWI Tavor, for lefty is here http://iwi.us/Tavor-Test/TAVOR-TSFD16-%284%29.aspx
I've always loved bullpups, but being a lefty they get complicated. Usually with anything too fancy, I have to check the manual just to be sure I know where everything is in terms of controls, and I'm picky about grip size and LOP. First time I picked up a Tavor, it just fit, I didn't have to think about the controls, I just needed more money and the left handed version.
Post by: matzesu on April 21, 2016, 07:53:44 AM
These NAA Mini is pretty interesting,
How expensive was it, compare to a normal sice gun?? And how much power got such a smal caliber??
Do you have a diverent pitcture which compares the sice whit a item, like a SAK, or something?? Itemes whe know hear in Gun Less Germany??
Post by: zoidberg on April 21, 2016, 01:10:06 PM
Followed me home.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Very nice! :drool: What is it?
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 21, 2016, 01:53:52 PM
Followed me home.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Very nice! :drool: What is it?
Check this out.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Arms#Mini_revolvers
Not a lot of pictures on that website so let me post one of mine.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Post by: zoidberg on April 21, 2016, 02:24:59 PM
Followed me home.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Very nice! :drool: What is it?
Check this out.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Arms#Mini_revolvers
Not a lot of pictures on that website so let me post one of mine.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Looks twice as good as the first time I saw it.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 24, 2016, 09:50:29 PM
I can't remember, did I post a picture of it yet? Just in case let me throw one up.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Post by: raistlin65 on April 25, 2016, 12:19:01 AM
But in the spirit of new pocket guns, I have a Sig P238 on the way. Might not fit in everyone's pocket, but it will in mine :D
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 25, 2016, 12:35:00 AM
Harley, your Mini is definitely too small for my hands. I don't think I'd be accurate from more than a few feet away (I have XXL hand size and wouldn't be able to hold it).
But in the spirit of new pocket guns, I have a Sig P238 on the way. Might not fit in everyone's pocket, but it will in mine :D
I have grown up sized hands also and the Mini is small.
Going to buy some larger aftermarket grips that are suppose to help with this but not so big as to effect concealment.
I don't have the grips yet though so here is a before picture to tide you over.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Post by: SteveC on April 25, 2016, 01:28:29 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 25, 2016, 02:08:06 AM
That sure is a neat little pistol harley, you don't happen to have a pic of it do you :pok:
Now that you mention it.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Post by: derekmac on April 25, 2016, 02:40:46 AM
It's about time you actually posted a pic of this thing!That sure is a neat little pistol harley, you don't happen to have a pic of it do you :pok:
Now that you mention it.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 25, 2016, 02:44:43 AM
It's about time you actually posted a pic of this thing!That sure is a neat little pistol harley, you don't happen to have a pic of it do you :pok:
Now that you mention it.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Sorry I have been just so busy with the move and retiring.
Post by: derekmac on April 25, 2016, 02:46:23 AM
I know buddy, it's all good. When you get settled down, you have to post a few more pics of it. :tu:It's about time you actually posted a pic of this thing!That sure is a neat little pistol harley, you don't happen to have a pic of it do you :pok:
Now that you mention it.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Sorry I have been just so busy with the move and retiring.
Post by: Alan K. on April 25, 2016, 05:44:45 AM
Harley, your Mini is definitely too small for my hands. I don't think I'd be accurate from more than a few feet away (I have XXL hand size and wouldn't be able to hold it).
But in the spirit of new pocket guns, I have a Sig P238 on the way. Might not fit in everyone's pocket, but it will in mine :D
I have grown up sized hands also and the Mini is small.
Going to buy some larger aftermarket grips that are suppose to help with this but not so big as to effect concealment.
I don't have the grips yet though so here is a before picture to tide you over.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
I hate to be one of those grammar police types, but this one is bugging me. You should have used affect in that case, not effect. Affect is mostly used as a verb and means the same as influence, while effect is mostly used as a noun and means the same as result.
I don't see how changing the grips is going to make any difference, performance wise. These minis are meant to be used at contact range.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 26, 2016, 11:51:31 AM
Harley, your Mini is definitely too small for my hands. I don't think I'd be accurate from more than a few feet away (I have XXL hand size and wouldn't be able to hold it).
But in the spirit of new pocket guns, I have a Sig P238 on the way. Might not fit in everyone's pocket, but it will in mine :D
I have grown up sized hands also and the Mini is small.
Going to buy some larger aftermarket grips that are suppose to help with this but not so big as to effect concealment.
I don't have the grips yet though so here is a before picture to tide you over.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
I hate to be one of those grammar police types, but this one is bugging me. You should have used affect in that case, not effect. Affect is mostly used as a verb and means the same as influence, while effect is mostly used as a noun and means the same as result.
I don't see how changing the grips is going to make any difference, performance wise. These minis are meant to be used at contact range.
Next time I will make sure to look up the meaning of every word I type before posting here.
Have you seen a picture of my new Mini?
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
Post by: Chako on April 26, 2016, 12:22:27 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 26, 2016, 05:27:42 PM
I used to like this thread.
So no more Mini pictures?
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 26, 2016, 08:28:24 PM
Now I know everyone doesn't care for it I will stop. Here is a picture everyone should love. Who doesn't like suppressed sniper rifles? ISIS I suppose.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Knives/Knives%202/Getalong.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Knives/Knives%202/Getalong.jpg.html)
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 26, 2016, 09:14:59 PM
JR
Post by: Chako on April 26, 2016, 10:32:28 PM
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 26, 2016, 10:41:23 PM
No worries Harley. I woke up especially grumpy this morning.Who doesn't?
JR
Post by: kirk13 on April 26, 2016, 10:43:57 PM
Sorry Chako my thread bombing was all in good fun.
Now I know everyone doesn't care for it I will stop. Here is a picture everyone should love. Who doesn't like suppressed sniper rifles? ISIS I suppose.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Knives/Knives%202/Getalong.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Knives/Knives%202/Getalong.jpg.html)
From Mini to Maxi?
We need your M4 for a Midi ;)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on April 27, 2016, 02:37:44 AM
Alright now we're talking my style :drool: if it's one thing I always wanted to be it was a sniper, I was even top-shot on the rifle team back in highschool.. Yes it was only with .22, but I've handled 30-30, 30-06, 410, 16, and 12ga.. Even had to sight in someone else's rifle cause the idiot got scope eye..
JR
You should do it.
Post by: MadPlumbarian on April 27, 2016, 05:51:18 AM
I wish, even waaaay back in 98, my cousin had his marine Corp guy signing him up and he looked at me and said,Alright now we're talking my style :drool: if it's one thing I always wanted to be it was a sniper, I was even top-shot on the rifle team back in highschool.. Yes it was only with .22, but I've handled 30-30, 30-06, 410, 16, and 12ga.. Even had to sight in someone else's rifle cause the idiot got scope eye..
JR
You should do it.
you interested?
And I said I'll bet you won't take me, no one will.
Oh really, I'm sure we can work something out.
so I said if you'll take me, I'll sign the paperwork right now!
So he said with a smile, and why won't anyone take you?
Medically, I have a seizure disorder,
Needless to say he turned and started taking to my cousin..
I should have made a real good bet with him! Oh well..
JR
Post by: raistlin65 on May 04, 2016, 06:35:08 PM
(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/raistlin121/pioneer%20x_zpsytg9suez.jpg)
Post by: captain spaulding on May 04, 2016, 07:10:56 PM
Not your grandfather's EDC: The Pioneer X and P238 Sport
(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/raistlin121/pioneer%20x_zpsytg9suez.jpg)
Very nice!
Post by: Gareth on May 04, 2016, 08:41:17 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 05, 2016, 01:18:01 AM
Not your grandfather's EDC: The Pioneer X and P238 Sport
(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/raistlin121/pioneer%20x_zpsytg9suez.jpg)
Kind of reminds me of my new Mini.
Have I posted a picture of it here yet?
Post by: raistlin65 on May 05, 2016, 02:10:29 AM
Post by: cbl51 on May 05, 2016, 04:08:18 AM
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1478/25921789542_469738863e_c.jpg)
Post by: jerseydevil on May 05, 2016, 04:11:01 AM
Post by: Gryffin on May 05, 2016, 06:22:14 AM
Give me an SMLE any day..... ::)
IWB, I assume. :D
Post by: Gareth on May 05, 2016, 09:11:15 AM
Give me an SMLE any day..... ::)
Perhaps not so easy to pocket carry though. ;)
Post by: ColoSwiss on May 05, 2016, 11:10:27 PM
The Vector has the highest cyclic rate I've ever encountered, around 1,200 rpm. However it uses an odd delayed blowback recoil system where the bolt moves back and down into the area behind the magazine, making the weapon surprisingly controllable.
The HK is also fun, but I prefer the 9mm MP5. The later is more accurate for me and also handles better.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 06, 2016, 02:18:41 PM
Give me an SMLE any day..... ::)
Perhaps not so easy to pocket carry though. ;)
True but everyone would think you are very happy to see them.
Post by: Chako on May 07, 2016, 02:33:09 AM
Post by: Gareth on May 07, 2016, 02:20:24 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on May 07, 2016, 06:16:32 PM
That's still a great looking revolver Dan. 8)
+1! :drool:
Post by: Humppa on May 07, 2016, 08:14:26 PM
This is a revolver - indeed!
Post by: raistlin65 on May 13, 2016, 10:27:15 PM
(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/raistlin121/Vratislavia%20and%2092S_zpsvsqrvxnb.jpg)
Post by: Gareth on May 13, 2016, 10:44:58 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on May 13, 2016, 11:22:35 PM
Handgun/watch porn. My new Vratislavia Conceptum watch with my 92S. The watch has a DLC gun finish. More information (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,58981.msg1268185.html#msg1268185) in the latest watch thread:
(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/raistlin121/Vratislavia%20and%2092S_zpsvsqrvxnb.jpg)
Got the old-style butt magazine release. Don't see those very often. I'm a big fan of Berettas :tu:
Post by: raistlin65 on May 13, 2016, 11:25:31 PM
Handgun/watch porn. My new Vratislavia Conceptum watch with my 92S. The watch has a DLC gun finish. More information (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,58981.msg1268185.html#msg1268185) in the latest watch thread:
(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/raistlin121/Vratislavia%20and%2092S_zpsvsqrvxnb.jpg)
Got the old-style butt magazine release. Don't see those very often. :tu:
Thanks. It's one of the surplus Italian police 92S that have been available here in the US. I got it about a year or so ago. Nice shooter. Still need to add a dab of paint to the front sight. My old eyes do much better with a dot to see instead of just iron. :D
Post by: cbl51 on May 14, 2016, 03:44:47 PM
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7653/16434842454_62890b7525_z.jpg)
Post by: captain spaulding on May 14, 2016, 07:07:43 PM
A nice sunny morning, warm sunshine, and some time on the shooting range. I love my Smith and Wesson K frame rimfire. Such a nice accurate handgun.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7653/16434842454_62890b7525_z.jpg)
Nice. I love .22 revolvers.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 15, 2016, 04:33:21 AM
A nice sunny morning, warm sunshine, and some time on the shooting range. I love my Smith and Wesson K frame rimfire. Such a nice accurate handgun.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7653/16434842454_62890b7525_z.jpg)
Nice. I love .22 revolvers.
.22 revolvers you say?
Have you seen mine?
Post by: Gareth on May 15, 2016, 10:28:26 AM
A nice sunny morning, warm sunshine, and some time on the shooting range. I love my Smith and Wesson K frame rimfire. Such a nice accurate handgun.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7653/16434842454_62890b7525_z.jpg)
Nice. I love .22 revolvers.
.22 revolvers you say?
Have you seen mine?
Don't start that again. >:(
:D
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 15, 2016, 01:42:03 PM
A nice sunny morning, warm sunshine, and some time on the shooting range. I love my Smith and Wesson K frame rimfire. Such a nice accurate handgun.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7653/16434842454_62890b7525_z.jpg)
Nice. I love .22 revolvers.
.22 revolvers you say?
Have you seen mine?
Don't start that again. >:(
:D
It isn't my fault, he asked for it.
Post by: raistlin65 on May 15, 2016, 03:31:26 PM
A nice sunny morning, warm sunshine, and some time on the shooting range. I love my Smith and Wesson K frame rimfire. Such a nice accurate handgun.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7653/16434842454_62890b7525_z.jpg)
Nice. I love .22 revolvers.
.22 revolvers you say?
Have you seen mine?
Don't start that again. >:(
:D
It isn't my fault, he asked for it.
Someone change the rules of the thread. The topic is now firearms that allow at least a four finger (adult) purchase on the grip. No revolvers designed for toddler hands. ;)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 20, 2016, 04:12:08 AM
A nice sunny morning, warm sunshine, and some time on the shooting range. I love my Smith and Wesson K frame rimfire. Such a nice accurate handgun.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7653/16434842454_62890b7525_z.jpg)
Nice. I love .22 revolvers.
.22 revolvers you say?
Have you seen mine?
Don't start that again. >:(
:D
It isn't my fault, he asked for it.
Someone change the rules of the thread. The topic is now firearms that allow at least a four finger (adult) purchase on the grip. No revolvers designed for toddler hands. ;)
Well played Sir.
Post by: raistlin65 on May 21, 2016, 05:02:21 AM
Post by: jerseydevil on May 21, 2016, 05:41:52 AM
Post by: Alan K. on May 21, 2016, 11:51:42 AM
SIG has always built excellent pistols. :tu: Personally, I'd LOVE to own a SIG P210.....
An original, Swiss made P-210 from the 1950's or 1960's!!! I wouldn't say no. :drool:
I've been carrying SIGs for over 20 years. Never had a failure of any kind. The P-227 is a big chunk of metal to haul around, but it will get the job done.
Post by: ColoSwiss on May 22, 2016, 05:45:37 AM
SIG has always built excellent pistols. :tu: Personally, I'd LOVE to own a SIG P210.....
Same here, but I can buy three HKs or 4 CZs for the same price.
Post by: David on May 22, 2016, 08:00:00 AM
Followed me home.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160414_142746_544.jpg.html)
I need one of those 22's to follow me home 8) :D
Post by: Chako on May 22, 2016, 12:56:59 PM
Preparing for another IPSC match.
- Range bag with ear protection, and other stuff...check
- Handgun...check
- Competition belt with holster and speedloader pouches...check
- Keys...check
- Ammo carrier, speedloaders, and cleaning kit...check
- Leatherman MUT...check
Going to have some fun. :salute:
Post by: Gareth on May 22, 2016, 04:19:55 PM
Post by: David on May 22, 2016, 08:24:34 PM
Post by: Chako on May 22, 2016, 09:30:41 PM
I made one big mistake. We had this stage where you start on a platform, shoot two paper targets and a steel target then move off the platform to shoot 3 other paper targets. Well for some unknown reason, I forgot the other 3 targets thinking it belonged to another stage. :facepalm:
Still had a lot of fun which is what really matters.
Post by: cbl51 on May 23, 2016, 04:52:43 PM
I don't know why, I have three little mini .22 revolvers that fit in a pocket with ease. I have a buy Glock 9mm model 26 that fits in a high ride holster under a shirt tail. But I've always loved the derringer for some odd reason. I had an old High Standard many years ago in .22 magnum, and regret selling it off. I've looked at Bond arms, and now looking at American Derringer since they are right up the road in Waco Texas.
I like the idea that I can get interchangeable barrels to shoot darn near any caliber. The Bond Backup in 9mm would use the same ammo as my Glock, and is flatter and fits in the side pocket of jeans pretty good. I've got to make a choice since I've been thinking of this for quite a while now.
Bond arms or American Derringer company?
Post by: jerseydevil on May 24, 2016, 12:26:41 AM
Post by: cbl51 on May 24, 2016, 01:24:21 AM
I got to shoot a Remington derringer in .41 rimfire once. It was the classic over/under, and the ammo was actually new manufacture from Mexico. A friend's father has a four barrel .22 Sharps derringer, very cool little piece! :tu:
Both of those guns have soooo much of an overdose of cool. They were THE classic pocket gun of their era. My two very favorite TV shows when I was a kid was, Have Gun Will Travel and Yancy Derringer. Actor Jock Mahoney was so cool as the New Orleans gambler/rogue that worked for the Union administrator of the city in post civil war. He seemed tp make a four barrel Sharps appear like magic in his hand. With Paladin, the over under Remington was often used to save the hero's butt.
I guess I've always love the small pocket pistols because they are like the peanut pocket knife. I remember my old man telling me that a pocket knife is something that is carried a lot, but used once in a while. He used that theory to justify why he carried a small Case peanut as his everyday pocket knife. I feel the same way about both pocket knives and pistols. I'm not planning to get into any gunfights, so I don't want to lug a large heavy gun around. But IF something happens, I'd like something to shoot back and create a situation to break off contact and escape.
A coin size pocket knife is good to cut stuff, and a Derringer size gun is good enough to get my butt outa there, but does't take up a lotos space just carrying it.
Hey, it worked for Palidin didn't it????? :D
Little guns and little knives; they've got this old man a long way so far in this life.
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5596/14130682078_24fc36381a_z.jpg)
Post by: raistlin65 on May 27, 2016, 04:48:01 AM
Am I rationalizing this correctly :D
Post by: Alan K. on May 27, 2016, 05:40:40 AM
Post by: raistlin65 on May 28, 2016, 01:50:46 AM
Yes. Memorial day is a good reason to buy a new firearm. We have a couple hundred years of veterans to thank for our continued right to own firearms. :salute:
Very true :tu:
Well, I was unable to resist temptation and decided to start the holiday weekend today. Went and picked up an H&K VP9 this morning and was at the range an hour later:
(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/raistlin121/hk-vp9-and-pioneer-x_zpsjats9rfx.png)
It shoots every bit as well as the reviews say it does, and I see why it's becoming very popular. Now if I only could shoot as close to as well as the VP9 can (lol)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 28, 2016, 02:08:47 AM
I got to shoot a Remington derringer in .41 rimfire once. It was the classic over/under, and the ammo was actually new manufacture from Mexico. A friend's father has a four barrel .22 Sharps derringer, very cool little piece! :tu:
Both of those guns have soooo much of an overdose of cool. They were THE classic pocket gun of their era. My two very favorite TV shows when I was a kid was, Have Gun Will Travel and Yancy Derringer. Actor Jock Mahoney was so cool as the New Orleans gambler/rogue that worked for the Union administrator of the city in post civil war. He seemed tp make a four barrel Sharps appear like magic in his hand. With Paladin, the over under Remington was often used to save the hero's butt.
I guess I've always love the small pocket pistols because they are like the peanut pocket knife. I remember my old man telling me that a pocket knife is something that is carried a lot, but used once in a while. He used that theory to justify why he carried a small Case peanut as his everyday pocket knife. I feel the same way about both pocket knives and pistols. I'm not planning to get into any gunfights, so I don't want to lug a large heavy gun around. But IF something happens, I'd like something to shoot back and create a situation to break off contact and escape.
A coin size pocket knife is good to cut stuff, and a Derringer size gun is good enough to get my butt outa there, but does't take up a lotos space just carrying it.
Hey, it worked for Palidin didn't it????? :D
Little guns and little knives; they've got this old man a long way so far in this life.
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5596/14130682078_24fc36381a_z.jpg)
Small sized pocket revolver you say?
Post by: jerseydevil on May 28, 2016, 03:01:10 AM
Post by: Gareth on May 28, 2016, 10:13:40 AM
Yes. Memorial day is a good reason to buy a new firearm. We have a couple hundred years of veterans to thank for our continued right to own firearms. :salute:
Very true :tu:
Well, I was unable to resist temptation and decided to start the holiday weekend today. Went and picked up an H&K VP9 this morning and was at the range an hour later:
(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/raistlin121/hk-vp9-and-pioneer-x_zpsjats9rfx.png)
It shoots every bit as well as the reviews say it does, and I see why it's becoming very popular. Now if I only could shoot as close to as well as the VP9 can (lol)
Nice pistol Raistlin. 8) If the pistol already shoots well then at least you have the potential to get better. :D
Post by: Humppa on May 28, 2016, 04:54:02 PM
So its an arsenal weapon with a new barrel. I shot it just yeasterday. It can easily be compared to a Swedish Mauser or a Lee Enfield at 100 metres with open sights. Shot it with full-power loads and it worked just fine. It shot like a charm. The typical Mauser-kick gave me a blue shoulder today... LOL ... what a great afternoon yesterday!
Post by: jerseydevil on May 28, 2016, 07:08:18 PM
Post by: Humppa on May 28, 2016, 08:20:01 PM
Post by: jerseydevil on May 28, 2016, 08:51:34 PM
Post by: jerseydevil on May 28, 2016, 08:53:08 PM
Post by: raistlin65 on May 29, 2016, 02:12:59 AM
Yes. Memorial day is a good reason to buy a new firearm. We have a couple hundred years of veterans to thank for our continued right to own firearms. :salute:
Very true :tu:
Well, I was unable to resist temptation and decided to start the holiday weekend today. Went and picked up an H&K VP9 this morning and was at the range an hour later:
(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/raistlin121/hk-vp9-and-pioneer-x_zpsjats9rfx.png)
It shoots every bit as well as the reviews say it does, and I see why it's becoming very popular. Now if I only could shoot as close to as well as the VP9 can (lol)
Nice pistol Raistlin. 8) If the pistol already shoots well then at least you have the potential to get better. :D
Good point. Although maybe I would have better off going with a Mini-22? :D
Post by: Humppa on May 29, 2016, 08:47:40 AM
I was talking to an AR15 guy lately and we were discussion rather hard on the pros and cons of the old construction vs. the new ones. To my opinion it is always strange for me having too much polymer aka plastic on a firearm. Be it handguns or rifles. Not a big fan of these. To me, nothing beats blued carbon steel and wood. But that´s just personal taste, propably. Not that plastic fan on firearms in general.
I´m curious if the plastic handles will look as good in 100 years as the old treasures do until now... Time will show... :cheers:
Post by: Alan K. on May 29, 2016, 10:16:05 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 30, 2016, 10:33:25 PM
Yes, I´ve heard about the canadian ross; due to its fails sometimes. But on Model 98, wether G98 or K98 has the third locking lug and the bolt handle. But you are right; the bolt also gives safety; looking at the massive metal construction it is a rather fine and safe design.
I was talking to an AR15 guy lately and we were discussion rather hard on the pros and cons of the old construction vs. the new ones. To my opinion it is always strange for me having too much polymer aka plastic on a firearm. Be it handguns or rifles. Not a big fan of these. To me, nothing beats blued carbon steel and wood. But that´s just personal taste, propably. Not that plastic fan on firearms in general.
I´m curious if the plastic handles will look as good in 100 years as the old treasures do until now... Time will show... :cheers:
Of course they will not look as good but they can be replaced for like 12 dollars.
Post by: SAK Guy on May 30, 2016, 11:44:32 PM
Post by: raistlin65 on May 31, 2016, 03:20:16 AM
Yes, I´ve heard about the canadian ross; due to its fails sometimes. But on Model 98, wether G98 or K98 has the third locking lug and the bolt handle. But you are right; the bolt also gives safety; looking at the massive metal construction it is a rather fine and safe design.
I was talking to an AR15 guy lately and we were discussion rather hard on the pros and cons of the old construction vs. the new ones. To my opinion it is always strange for me having too much polymer aka plastic on a firearm. Be it handguns or rifles. Not a big fan of these. To me, nothing beats blued carbon steel and wood. But that´s just personal taste, propably. Not that plastic fan on firearms in general.
I´m curious if the plastic handles will look as good in 100 years as the old treasures do until now... Time will show... :cheers:
Of course they will not look as good but they can be replaced for like 12 dollars.
In 100 years, no one will care about current rifles. Everyone will be buying electronic rail gun long guns :D
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on May 31, 2016, 04:12:24 AM
Yes, I´ve heard about the canadian ross; due to its fails sometimes. But on Model 98, wether G98 or K98 has the third locking lug and the bolt handle. But you are right; the bolt also gives safety; looking at the massive metal construction it is a rather fine and safe design.
I was talking to an AR15 guy lately and we were discussion rather hard on the pros and cons of the old construction vs. the new ones. To my opinion it is always strange for me having too much polymer aka plastic on a firearm. Be it handguns or rifles. Not a big fan of these. To me, nothing beats blued carbon steel and wood. But that´s just personal taste, propably. Not that plastic fan on firearms in general.
I´m curious if the plastic handles will look as good in 100 years as the old treasures do until now... Time will show... :cheers:
Of course they will not look as good but they can be replaced for like 12 dollars.
In 100 years, no one will care about current rifles. Everyone will be buying electronic rail gun long guns :D
I don't know about that.
Pretty sure someone in 1916 said something along the same lines about the first Wenger knives. Some things are timeless.
Post by: Chako on May 31, 2016, 04:38:37 AM
knows folks who still shoot ball and powder.
Post by: jerseydevil on May 31, 2016, 05:33:52 AM
A bit of trivia. The U.S. blatantly copied (stole) the Mauser action design for the 1903 Springfield rifle, without permission, and Mauser sued. The U.S. had to pay a licensing fee to Mauser for every 1903 produced, and did so, until the end of WWI.
Actually the last royalty payment was made in 1914, just before World War I started. The '03 was basically a copy of the 93 Spanish Mauser we had faced in Cuba and the Philippines, with some 98 thrown in. The main patent issue was for the charger-loading ("stripper clip") system.
Post by: Outback in Idaho on May 31, 2016, 06:04:42 AM
World is getting stupid and I know that when SHTF it has to be loaded to be effective. It's just that I've open carried before and those were revolvers, mostly when hunting. Never carried a semi-auto till a month ago.
How does one get past the weird feeling?
Post by: captain spaulding on May 31, 2016, 07:28:26 AM
I'm relearning conceal carry and was used to carrying a Ruger GP100 in .357 magnum so never worried about having one in the chamber or not. Now carrying a semi-auto 9mm Ruger SR9c and not sure why I feel uncomfortable with cock and lock.
World is getting stupid and I know that when SHTF it has to be loaded to be effective. It's just that I've open carried before and those were revolvers, mostly when hunting. Never carried a semi-auto till a month ago.
How does one get past the weird feeling?
Honestly you may never get over that feeling, but depending on the pistol most have 2 or 3 internal safety mechanisms as well as a trigger safety so unless you actually pull the trigger by accident it's highly unlikely it will accidentally discharge. Another option would be to just get a small revolver. Yet another option would be to get a semi that is hammer fired and not striker fired so you can have one in the chamber and de-cock the gun. First shot would be double action and the rest would be single action. No worry of a spring loaded mechanism giving and having a accidental discharge into your leg, butt, or family jewels.
Post by: Alan K. on May 31, 2016, 07:34:44 AM
Post by: Outback in Idaho on May 31, 2016, 08:31:16 AM
Now I'm armed as a citizen, again.
First time the neighborhood druggy got the drop on me in the mountains. He hit me in the head with a metal pipe, threw me in the river. If not for an incoming cattle drive, coming down the highway, it could of been in worse.
I applied for a concealed weapons license and started conceal carrying. That was for immediate protection. I was scared, even for a few years more after we moved.
My life isn't in immediate danger now, though it's my right to carry. Know a lot of people that conceal carry and it's second nature to them. To me it's not. It is THAT feeling that bugs me, not the mechanics of the pistols.
I conceal carry when I get the chance. More to help me shake that feeling of being a nice guy --> to being a "nice guy" with a "not so nice guy" option. Maybe it's something that bugged me when I worked security, that attitude change. Or that I know stuff is changing in the world and it scares me enough to arm myself.
But... am I justified (enough) - to carry?
In neighboring Oregon, much like Idaho, open carry is legal. When I did open carry the Taurus people's attitudes towards me changed. I've lived here 16 years, shopped here, but soon as I strap on a gun - bam! People got jumpy.
That's why I went for conceal carry, well in Idaho. I've got to take the course for Oregon to conceal carry there. With two jobs I probably can't do that till July.
I've not open carried (or even carried) in Oregon yet. That exposure might pose problems when I have to work over there. A guy can get labeled fast.
Guess it's that concealed carry doesn't bug me quite so much till I put one in the chamber. I go from protection to lethal carry when running the slide. :-\
Post by: Outback in Idaho on May 31, 2016, 08:48:00 AM
Made a wooden portable target frame to take with me, though need heavier metal brackets to brace the feet supports. Usually the rifle side is rarely in demand, but the pistol lane is hopping! There's no indoor ranged here for 90 miles. :( So miss The Firing Pin in West Sacramento.
Guess I need to take glamour shots of my weapons like you folks do. :P
Post by: raistlin65 on May 31, 2016, 02:19:03 PM
Yes, I´ve heard about the canadian ross; due to its fails sometimes. But on Model 98, wether G98 or K98 has the third locking lug and the bolt handle. But you are right; the bolt also gives safety; looking at the massive metal construction it is a rather fine and safe design.
I was talking to an AR15 guy lately and we were discussion rather hard on the pros and cons of the old construction vs. the new ones. To my opinion it is always strange for me having too much polymer aka plastic on a firearm. Be it handguns or rifles. Not a big fan of these. To me, nothing beats blued carbon steel and wood. But that´s just personal taste, propably. Not that plastic fan on firearms in general.
I´m curious if the plastic handles will look as good in 100 years as the old treasures do until now... Time will show... :cheers:
Of course they will not look as good but they can be replaced for like 12 dollars.
In 100 years, no one will care about current rifles. Everyone will be buying electronic rail gun long guns :D
I don't know about that.
Pretty sure someone in 1916 said something along the same lines about the first Wenger knives. Some things are timeless.
I'm sure there are people that still wish they could EDC one of these ;)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/DynaTAC8000X.jpg)
Post by: jerseydevil on May 31, 2016, 02:32:07 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on May 31, 2016, 04:31:43 PM
I'm relearning conceal carry and was used to carrying a Ruger GP100 in .357 magnum so never worried about having one in the chamber or not. Now carrying a semi-auto 9mm Ruger SR9c and not sure why I feel uncomfortable with cock and lock.
World is getting stupid and I know that when SHTF it has to be loaded to be effective. It's just that I've open carried before and those were revolvers, mostly when hunting. Never carried a semi-auto till a month ago.
How does one get past the weird feeling?
Honestly you may never get over that feeling, but depending on the pistol most have 2 or 3 internal safety mechanisms as well as a trigger safety so unless you actually pull the trigger by accident it's highly unlikely it will accidentally discharge. Another option would be to just get a small revolver. Yet another option would be to get a semi that is hammer fired and not striker fired so you can have one in the chamber and de-cock the gun. First shot would be double action and the rest would be single action. No worry of a spring loaded mechanism giving and having a accidental discharge into your leg, butt, or family jewels.
+1!! One thing about the 1911, it has redundant safeties and the Series 80's also have the additional firing pin safety. I'm getting older and I need simple more than ever. :facepalm: Using the same kind of pistol for 40 yeas aids in familiarization as well... :D
Post by: cbl51 on May 31, 2016, 06:05:30 PM
I'm relearning conceal carry and was used to carrying a Ruger GP100 in .357 magnum so never worried about having one in the chamber or not. Now carrying a semi-auto 9mm Ruger SR9c and not sure why I feel uncomfortable with cock and lock.
World is getting stupid and I know that when SHTF it has to be loaded to be effective. It's just that I've open carried before and those were revolvers, mostly when hunting. Never carried a semi-auto till a month ago.
How does one get past the weird feeling?
Honestly you may never get over that feeling, but depending on the pistol most have 2 or 3 internal safety mechanisms as well as a trigger safety so unless you actually pull the trigger by accident it's highly unlikely it will accidentally discharge. Another option would be to just get a small revolver. Yet another option would be to get a semi that is hammer fired and not striker fired so you can have one in the chamber and de-cock the gun. First shot would be double action and the rest would be single action. No worry of a spring loaded mechanism giving and having a accidental discharge into your leg, butt, or family jewels.
+1!! One thing about the 1911, it has redundant safeties and the Series 80's also have the additional firing pin safety. I'm getting older and I need simple more than ever. :facepalm: Using the same kind of pistol for 40 yeas aids in familiarization as well... :D
I know what you mean, about feeling uneasy. I used to carry a revolver exclusively. I was a died in the wool wheel gun man. But in my 'older age, I got to the point where I couldn't see the skinny front sight on the Smith and Wesson J frame. My cousin would go t the range with me, and loan me his Glock, which I hated. Plastic piece of tupperwhere junk!''But I could shoot that plastic little gun way better than I could shoot my revolver. Nice big visible sights and the overall package was better for fast accurate shooting. I ended up doing the unthinkable. I went from this;
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8717/16601730048_9a3b15d986_c.jpg)
To this;
(https://c6.staticflickr.com/4/3835/19408519045_5a39bd526e_c.jpg)
I went from b ring a Glock hater to a koolaid drinking fanboy. Simple to operate, 10 rounds compared to 5, spare mag with ten more in a hip pocket, but most of all I shoot it more accurate. But…I feel weird about having a round in the chamber. I now Glock is a safe gun, but I fond myself being extra careful about where my trigger finger is at all times. In the year and a half I've had the gun, I've really got used to it, but I think there is always going to be that slight unease about not having the safety of the revolver. I just have to have faith that the Glock is a great design and just trust it not to go off until I want it to. As for reliability in firing, in a year and half of 200 rounds a month, sometimes more, not a single jam or failure to do anything but work perfectly.
Post by: captain spaulding on May 31, 2016, 06:24:36 PM
I forgot to mention something. Pertaining to feeling more comfortable locked and loaded with a revolver. Just think about this. Unless your revolver has a transfer bar it can go off just as easy if not easier than a striker fired pistol. One accidental hit to the back of the hammer and the gun can fire.
Post by: captain spaulding on May 31, 2016, 06:25:54 PM
Post by: Gareth on May 31, 2016, 06:48:20 PM
I may have to break my rule and post a pic or two in this thread! Maybe...... :think:
Go on, you know you want to. :pok:
Post by: captain spaulding on May 31, 2016, 07:21:08 PM
I may have to break my rule and post a pic or two in this thread! Maybe...... :think:
Go on, you know you want to. :pok:
Seems like you wan't me to more than I want to. :D
Seriously though, maybe if/when I get a new camera or mine working properly.
Post by: Humppa on May 31, 2016, 08:15:45 PM
<-----
knows folks who still shoot ball and powder.
Mr. Humppa likes to shoot muzzle loaders with powder and ball from time to time, when a co shooter is doing on the range... Caliber .58 is impressive, in black powder as well.
Post by: cbl51 on May 31, 2016, 09:36:21 PM
<-----
knows folks who still shoot ball and powder.
Mr. Humppa likes to shoot muzzle loaders with powder and ball from time to time, when a co shooter is doing on the range... Caliber .58 is impressive, in black powder as well.
When I was young, I shot black powder, and it was a gas!!! :tu:
I had a Navy Arms reproduction of the American civil war Springfield musket in .58 mini ball. Alos had a Navy arms .44 Colt 1860 army pattern. Haf a lot of fun with those guns. I've thought about getting back into the black powder thing.
Andi, how do they handle the powder and ball thing in Germany? I wonder if it's easier to get the guns and powder since it is not fixed ammunition?
Post by: Outback in Idaho on May 31, 2016, 10:22:38 PM
I may have to break my rule and post a pic or two in this thread! Maybe...... :think:
Go on, you know you want to. :pok:
Seems like you wan't me to more than I want to. :D
Seriously though, maybe if/when I get a new camera or mine working properly.
We won't laugh. We promises. :rofl:
Post by: captain spaulding on May 31, 2016, 10:29:39 PM
I may have to break my rule and post a pic or two in this thread! Maybe...... :think:
Go on, you know you want to. :pok:
Seems like you wan't me to more than I want to. :D
Seriously though, maybe if/when I get a new camera or mine working properly.
We won't laugh. We promises. :rofl:
I love my NAA mini. :D
Post by: Alan K. on June 01, 2016, 02:35:37 AM
When a large group of people commit violence because everyone else is doing it they used to call that Wilding because they were acting like wild animals. Now a days they call that a flash mob (yeah, they use the same term for those times when a big group starts dancing at the mall or something, but we're not concerned about that kind of flash mob). Lets just say that you could find yourself in sudden conflict with a large group of people. They may not usually be prone to violence, but when they are bored, and drunk or on drugs, and it's hot out, or maybe just because it is Tuesday, when the group mentality kicks in violence can occur.
Have you heard about the knockout game? Did you know that they never found a trace of drugs in the guy who came to be known as "the causeway cannibal," but he still attacked a homeless man and was chewing the homeless guy's face off when the police arrived? Did you know it took 11 rounds to stop the attack. He was probably on some designer drug that they didn't have a test for at the time, but does it really matter to you what kind of drugs the guy might be on if you're the one getting your face chewed off? You've made the decision to carry, so somewhere in the back of your mind you have recognized that there is a need. So, carry your pistol. Carry it loaded and ready to use, and take comfort in the weight of it because that lets you know it is there if you need it.
Post by: Outback in Idaho on June 01, 2016, 03:50:31 AM
Had noticed that the Talon Grips do make a difference! :D
I remember when I brought that pistol home. I really wanted the tapered 4" model but it was like $100+ more than this bull barrel. Dad says, "Well, if you can't kill it you can beat it over the head." meaning the barrel was way too heavy. /sigh ::)
Still have the Ruger patch and the original sales receipt. <took break> $259.99 on August 26, 1996.
Took some
Post by: Outback in Idaho on June 01, 2016, 03:56:51 AM
(http://gallowayprecision.com/images/W/ruger-sr9c-40c_guide-rod_galloway-precision_3228.jpg)
Post by: cbl51 on June 01, 2016, 05:55:44 PM
Still not convinced that the Galloway Stainless Steel Guide Rod (http://gallowayprecision.com/ruger/sr9c-and-sr40c/assembled-stainless-steel-guide-rod-for-ruger-sr9c-sr40c/) is a good thing or not. Haven't gotten one as they are $40, Ruger of course does not recommend installing it.
(http://gallowayprecision.com/images/W/ruger-sr9c-40c_guide-rod_galloway-precision_3228.jpg)
If Ruger does NOT recommend it, then do not under any circumstances install it. They spend a lot of money designing and developing these guns, and it it was needed, they would include it. There's lots of people making lots of money selling after market stuff to people, that is designed mostly to get your money out of your pocket and into theirs.
here's a true story;
This old Ruger standard model was bought in the late 1960's for 39.95. Yes, that's what they were going for back then. This the old standard model they came out with in 1949. I've had this gun for almost 50 years now, and it's been reliable as a rock. It's been all over with me, western desert, Rocky Mountains, Chesapeake bay salt marsh, family trips cross country. It's been shot in blowing sand conditions, freezing cold snow, and most things in between. It will screw up once in a while in very cold weather when I don't clean it in between bricks of cheap grade rimfire ammo for plinking. I taught my kids to shoot on it. I taught my grandkids to shoot on it. It's been used for three generations of my family.
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8664/16557622660_16caa4ba84_c.jpg)
About 20 years ago, my friend Danny bought one because he was so impressed with mine. But…Danny started to screw around with his. After market this, after market that. Supposed to increase accuracy, or whatever. Yes, he got a bit better performance out of it. But again… that little three letter word…but... his reliability went down. Failure to feed's, failure to eject, and some breakage of after market parts. It turned a nice gun into a POS to put it bluntly. Danny ended up taking out all the after market parts, and in some cases had to pau a gun smith to put it right because the parts screwed up something. In the end, Dany paid twice of that pistol, the fee's for all the parts, and gunsmith services to put it right. Finally, Danny's gun was shooting like it came from the factory. It could now go through a whole brick of cheap Remington thunderbolt on a Saturday boring plinking session.
Leave guns stock. If you need better performance, buy a different gun.
Post by: Outback in Idaho on June 01, 2016, 06:35:23 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on June 01, 2016, 07:38:09 PM
Leave guns stock. If you need better performance, buy a different gun.
I would agree and disagree. In the particular case of the Ruger Mark series I would agree. If we are talking a Ruger 10/22 or AR I would very much disagree. I have improved performance and reliability on my 10/22 for very little cash.
Post by: captain spaulding on June 01, 2016, 07:41:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syxrpLbaEuY
Post by: cbl51 on June 01, 2016, 09:35:11 PM
Forgot to post this for the "one in the chamber" discussion. Watch the whole thing. Its not long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syxrpLbaEuY
This is why you don't carry a gun big enough or bulky enough that you need a waistband holster of fit. if you can't carry the gun where you can causally slip a hand into a pocket and have the gun in your hand and ready to go, then you need a more concealable gun. This is why I like small pocket guns, so I can slip a hand in a pocket and it's already to pull and shoot. Or not shoot if I can de-escalate the situation. It's very surprising when they see a gun half out of a pocket that all of a sudden they get religion. "I swear to God I was only gonna ask you for the time" or other such nonsense.
If the situation looks hinky, you step back and have the gun ready to go, with it in your hand in the pocket. If need be, just shoot right through the pocket. You can buy another jacket/vest. I've been known to turn a bit sideways and have the gun out in my hand down by my leg. The heck with what they teach in these 'classes' you pay a lot of money for and learn how to get killed on the street. Unfortunately, the bad guys don't take these classes, and don't attack so blatantly, instead launching an attack at arms length.
Second mistake the gun folks make is, they don't move. Use the two feet God you to move, step back to the side, run, anything to keep distance. Footwork. Standing there going for a gun under the shirt or jacket in a hip holster or inside the waistband will get you killed every time.
Carryng a full size or near full size gun that needs a support system will get you killed. Use a small pocket pistol that fits in the palm of a hand and can be carried in a pants pocket. I'd rather have one of my NAA mini's, a Secamp or Ruger LCP than a larger gun.
My cousin goes to a place out in Las Vegas called Front sight, and takes all these classes that cost a lotos money. So far, every tine he comes back and showe=s me what they taught, it's been how to get killed. Their 'rules of engagement are beyond ridiculous.
If you are well and truly cornered like this video says, and you have some unidentified person crowding you and leaving you no retreat, then that gun needs to be out and ready and you yell "BACK OFF!" in a very loud voice. Make him very aware you are going to shoot him in the next instant of he leaves you no choice.
Post by: Chako on June 01, 2016, 11:30:24 PM
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 02, 2016, 12:34:14 AM
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Post by: cbl51 on June 02, 2016, 01:14:49 AM
Wished I had a pistol like yours over that bull barrel one like mine. :D
For a few years in the early 90's I had a MK2 target with a bull barrel. I didn't like it for general shooting and plinking at odd objects like golf balls and Necco wafers. I found the front sight way too thick to get a fine sight picture on small objects at longer range. At 50 yards, the front sight almost totally obscures the target if you have to give it bit of Kentucky windage for the longer range. I filed and drifted the fixed sights on the old standard model to be point blank at 25 yards on a small air gun target with a 1 inch or so black bulls eye. This works well from 15 to about 35-40 yards. At 50 I have to use a dead on hold plus a tiny bit of hold over. I found the overly thick sights on the mark 2 target models to be clumsy for shooting under plinking conditions.
I sold off the bull barrel target gun, figuring that I wasn't going to be in a formal target competition but I do love to plink. The standard fixed sights are way more appropriate for my shooting, not to mention the skinny barrel us way lighter to carry on camping trips, and I like the Luger like handling of the light barrel. With a careful two hand hold, it really doesn't make much different on minute of golf ball at 40-50 yards, let alone a few squires or rabbits for the pot.
Post by: Outback in Idaho on June 02, 2016, 01:53:02 AM
If had the bucks and knew a decent gun smith could have them get creative on the barrel.
Inherented a black hawk .22 revolver with two different cylinders from my dad. His holster rig is for a 34" waste - I can only wish mine was that thin. In my best days 40" was norm. We won't go there now.
Mom has an old Dick Tracy .25 somewhere. Not seen it in decades, but am sure it's around here somewhere.
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Post by: Outback in Idaho on June 02, 2016, 02:00:45 AM
Not sure how much damage a .380 ACP would do in comparison to carrying a 9mm. See a lot of off-duty LE carrying a small revolver in the coat pocket. They shoot from them holey jackets too.Wished I had a pistol like yours over that bull barrel one like mine. :D
For a few years in the early 90's I had a MK2 target with a bull barrel. I didn't like it for general shooting and plinking at odd objects like golf balls and Necco wafers. I found the front sight way too thick to get a fine sight picture on small objects at longer range. At 50 yards, the front sight almost totally obscures the target if you have to give it bit of Kentucky windage for the longer range. I filed and drifted the fixed sights on the old standard model to be point blank at 25 yards on a small air gun target with a 1 inch or so black bulls eye. This works well from 15 to about 35-40 yards. At 50 I have to use a dead on hold plus a tiny bit of hold over. I found the overly thick sights on the mark 2 target models to be clumsy for shooting under plinking conditions.
I sold off the bull barrel target gun, figuring that I wasn't going to be in a formal target competition but I do love to plink. The standard fixed sights are way more appropriate for my shooting, not to mention the skinny barrel us way lighter to carry on camping trips, and I like the Luger like handling of the light barrel. With a careful two hand hold, it really doesn't make much different on minute of golf ball at 40-50 yards, let alone a few squires or rabbits for the pot.
Now that it's getting warmer conceal carry is going to be interesting. Can spot a good many conceal carry types right off - placed in the small of their back. Don't see many junk in the trunk carry types here.
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Post by: cbl51 on June 02, 2016, 04:02:15 AM
Not sure how much damage a .380 ACP would do in comparison to carrying a 9mm. See a lot of off-duty LE carrying a small revolver in the coat pocket. They shoot from them holey jackets too.Wished I had a pistol like yours over that bull barrel one like mine. :D
For a few years in the early 90's I had a MK2 target with a bull barrel. I didn't like it for general shooting and plinking at odd objects like golf balls and Necco wafers. I found the front sight way too thick to get a fine sight picture on small objects at longer range. At 50 yards, the front sight almost totally obscures the target if you have to give it bit of Kentucky windage for the longer range. I filed and drifted the fixed sights on the old standard model to be point blank at 25 yards on a small air gun target with a 1 inch or so black bulls eye. This works well from 15 to about 35-40 yards. At 50 I have to use a dead on hold plus a tiny bit of hold over. I found the overly thick sights on the mark 2 target models to be clumsy for shooting under plinking conditions.
I sold off the bull barrel target gun, figuring that I wasn't going to be in a formal target competition but I do love to plink. The standard fixed sights are way more appropriate for my shooting, not to mention the skinny barrel us way lighter to carry on camping trips, and I like the Luger like handling of the light barrel. With a careful two hand hold, it really doesn't make much different on minute of golf ball at 40-50 yards, let alone a few squires or rabbits for the pot.
Now that it's getting warmer conceal carry is going to be interesting. Can spot a good many conceal carry types right off - placed in the small of their back. Don't see many junk in the trunk carry types here.
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The .380 is fine, as is the .32acp, .25acp, and even the .22 if you know your gun and what you're doing with it. I don't get too much into the insane 'yes it will, no it' won't caliber game. It's a gun, it shoots a bulet, and if that bullit pierces a heart, liver, spleen, kidney, brain, it's going to end the problem pretty quick. Growing up in and around Washington D.C. and being a teenage going the wrong places and sometimes seeing trouble, I've seen what a real gun can do. I personally knew one guy who got killed by a single shot from a little .25 auto. His name was Al, and he was a big Karate guy. Umpteenth degree black belt, taught a local dojo and did the tournament thing and had lots of trophies on the shelf at home. His day job was a government cog downtown D.C.
One day he gets off the metro at the Silver Spring stop, takes the elevator to the floor his car is on. About a half dozen commuters with him so there was lots of witnesses to give the police the account. Doors open they get off, and theres this little teenage skinny inner city gangbanger wanna be with a gun. Tells everyone to toss down their wallets and cell phones and get back on the elevator. Al, being a legend in his own mind, goes to kick the guy out of the punks hand. After all, he's probably done it a zillion times in training in the well lit dojo where everyone knows what he's supposed to do. Big problem, the ghetto kid hasn't got the memo. He dodges back a step and shoots Al, hits him right in the chest. Al falls face down on the dirty concrete, utters the last words of ;"Oh smurfe!" and dies. I can only wonder if he was regretful about the young wife and 5 year old daughter he left behind.
It doesn't matter at all what you hit him with, it's where you hit. The FBI has finally figured that out so when back to the 9mm that people shoot better than the sharp kicking .40. If you have any doubts about what even a small gun will do, go watch the video of the Reagan shooting. All the people you see going down and hitting pavement and not getting up were hit in critical places with a single round from a cheap RG .22 revolver. Think about that next time some youtube expert say a .22 will just make them mad.
Any gun that shoots, is reliable, and puts out a bullet is a dangerous thing. People get killed being stabbed by icepicks. That's a very small caliber!
Post by: raistlin65 on June 02, 2016, 07:09:14 AM
This is why you don't carry a gun big enough or bulky enough that you need a waistband holster of fit. if you can't carry the gun where you can causally slip a hand into a pocket and have the gun in your hand and ready to go, then you need a more concealable gun. This is why I like small pocket guns, so I can slip a hand in a pocket and it's already to pull and shoot. Or not shoot if I can de-escalate the situation. It's very surprising when they see a gun half out of a pocket that all of a sudden they get religion. "I swear to God I was only gonna ask you for the time" or other such nonsense.
If the situation looks hinky, you step back and have the gun ready to go, with it in your hand in the pocket. If need be, just shoot right through the pocket. You can buy another jacket/vest. I've been known to turn a bit sideways and have the gun out in my hand down by my leg. The heck with what they teach in these 'classes' you pay a lot of money for and learn how to get killed on the street. Unfortunately, the bad guys don't take these classes, and don't attack so blatantly, instead launching an attack at arms length.
Second mistake the gun folks make is, they don't move. Use the two feet God you to move, step back to the side, run, anything to keep distance. Footwork. Standing there going for a gun under the shirt or jacket in a hip holster or inside the waistband will get you killed every time.
Carryng a full size or near full size gun that needs a support system will get you killed. Use a small pocket pistol that fits in the palm of a hand and can be carried in a pants pocket. I'd rather have one of my NAA mini's, a Secamp or Ruger LCP than a larger gun.
My cousin goes to a place out in Las Vegas called Front sight, and takes all these classes that cost a lotos money. So far, every tine he comes back and showe=s me what they taught, it's been how to get killed. Their 'rules of engagement are beyond ridiculous.
If you are well and truly cornered like this video says, and you have some unidentified person crowding you and leaving you no retreat, then that gun needs to be out and ready and you yell "BACK OFF!" in a very loud voice. Make him very aware you are going to shoot him in the next instant of he leaves you no choice.
I don't know anything about those classes your cousin took. Sounds like maybe he needs to get his money back. But in the single class I took in MI that is required for CPL, they pretty much covered all of these things. That video is a good example of poor situational awareness and poor preparedness.
Well, except that the class I took didn't encourage keeping your gun in your coat pocket. I don't think fumbling around in your pocket to get a purchase on your loose weapon is necessarily going to be faster on the draw than someone who has the right holster and has practiced ;)
Post by: captain spaulding on June 02, 2016, 07:27:08 AM
Forgot to post this for the "one in the chamber" discussion. Watch the whole thing. Its not long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syxrpLbaEuY
This is why you don't carry a gun big enough or bulky enough that you need a waistband holster of fit. if you can't carry the gun where you can causally slip a hand into a pocket and have the gun in your hand and ready to go, then you need a more concealable gun. This is why I like small pocket guns, so I can slip a hand in a pocket and it's already to pull and shoot. Or not shoot if I can de-escalate the situation. It's very surprising when they see a gun half out of a pocket that all of a sudden they get religion. "I swear to God I was only gonna ask you for the time" or other such nonsense.
If the situation looks hinky, you step back and have the gun ready to go, with it in your hand in the pocket. If need be, just shoot right through the pocket. You can buy another jacket/vest. I've been known to turn a bit sideways and have the gun out in my hand down by my leg. The heck with what they teach in these 'classes' you pay a lot of money for and learn how to get killed on the street. Unfortunately, the bad guys don't take these classes, and don't attack so blatantly, instead launching an attack at arms length.
Second mistake the gun folks make is, they don't move. Use the two feet God you to move, step back to the side, run, anything to keep distance. Footwork. Standing there going for a gun under the shirt or jacket in a hip holster or inside the waistband will get you killed every time.
Carryng a full size or near full size gun that needs a support system will get you killed. Use a small pocket pistol that fits in the palm of a hand and can be carried in a pants pocket. I'd rather have one of my NAA mini's, a Secamp or Ruger LCP than a larger gun.
My cousin goes to a place out in Las Vegas called Front sight, and takes all these classes that cost a lotos money. So far, every tine he comes back and showe=s me what they taught, it's been how to get killed. Their 'rules of engagement are beyond ridiculous.
If you are well and truly cornered like this video says, and you have some unidentified person crowding you and leaving you no retreat, then that gun needs to be out and ready and you yell "BACK OFF!" in a very loud voice. Make him very aware you are going to shoot him in the next instant of he leaves you no choice.
I agree with some, but disagree with some of your statements as well. I do not have time to go into detail, but will later.
Post by: cbl51 on June 02, 2016, 11:53:29 AM
This is why you don't carry a gun big enough or bulky enough that you need a waistband holster of fit. if you can't carry the gun where you can causally slip a hand into a pocket and have the gun in your hand and ready to go, then you need a more concealable gun. This is why I like small pocket guns, so I can slip a hand in a pocket and it's already to pull and shoot. Or not shoot if I can de-escalate the situation. It's very surprising when they see a gun half out of a pocket that all of a sudden they get religion. "I swear to God I was only gonna ask you for the time" or other such nonsense.
If the situation looks hinky, you step back and have the gun ready to go, with it in your hand in the pocket. If need be, just shoot right through the pocket. You can buy another jacket/vest. I've been known to turn a bit sideways and have the gun out in my hand down by my leg. The heck with what they teach in these 'classes' you pay a lot of money for and learn how to get killed on the street. Unfortunately, the bad guys don't take these classes, and don't attack so blatantly, instead launching an attack at arms length.
Second mistake the gun folks make is, they don't move. Use the two feet God you to move, step back to the side, run, anything to keep distance. Footwork. Standing there going for a gun under the shirt or jacket in a hip holster or inside the waistband will get you killed every time.
Carryng a full size or near full size gun that needs a support system will get you killed. Use a small pocket pistol that fits in the palm of a hand and can be carried in a pants pocket. I'd rather have one of my NAA mini's, a Secamp or Ruger LCP than a larger gun.
My cousin goes to a place out in Las Vegas called Front sight, and takes all these classes that cost a lotos money. So far, every tine he comes back and showe=s me what they taught, it's been how to get killed. Their 'rules of engagement are beyond ridiculous.
If you are well and truly cornered like this video says, and you have some unidentified person crowding you and leaving you no retreat, then that gun needs to be out and ready and you yell "BACK OFF!" in a very loud voice. Make him very aware you are going to shoot him in the next instant of he leaves you no choice.
Well, except that the class I took didn't encourage keeping your gun in your coat pocket. I don't think fumbling around in your pocket to get a purchase on your loose weapon is necessarily going to be faster on the draw than someone who has the right holster and has practiced ;)
You are not fumbling around for a gun, that's the whole point. Your gun is ALREADY in your hand in the pocket. All you have to do is pull it out, way way faster than brushing under a jacket/shirt to grab the gun. The woman in the video does everything wrong that she can. It's a great video for a lesson in getting killed. He who gets the gun out first and fires first will see the sunrise in the morning.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 02, 2016, 04:02:46 PM
He who gets the HITS THE CORRECT LOCATION first will see the sunrise in the morning.
Fixed that last bit for you.
Post by: Aloha on June 02, 2016, 04:32:52 PM
Can one realistically have their hand on their gun without looking incredibly odd or obvious?
I don't know if pulling a gun our of a pocket ( depending on the looseness of the pants ) under stress ( not simulated ) is faster than a holster.
Self defense to me whether you are armed or not starts with situational awareness. Yes bad things happen. Yes random violence happens. I do know that self defense starts with situational awareness.
I'd imagine practicing however you plan to draw is going to create muscle memory. Practice, practice, practice. In the video the distance for most is a lot to overcome. I've seen 15 and 20 ft distances being closed in a short amount of time. If the guy really wanted to dominate her it would have been very easy, like we saw in his second attempt. She may have shot him but she also may have a life threatening wound as well.
If the idea of carrying a gun is what most say its for then this to me is a fail on her part.
I am no expert nor gun person so my opinion is only me thinking out loud.
Post by: Fortytwo on June 02, 2016, 05:02:41 PM
I'd imagine the shirt covering your gun and the holster both have to considered when talking how quickly the gun can be drawn. Add in incredible amounts of stress and possibly being taken off guard. Having your hand on your gun with a round ready to go is going to be faster in a life or death situation.
Can one realistically have their hand on their gun without looking incredibly odd or obvious?
I don't know if pulling a gun our of a pocket ( depending on the looseness of the pants ) under stress ( not simulated ) is faster than a holster.
Self defense to me whether you are armed or not starts with situational awareness. Yes bad things happen. Yes random violence happens. I do know that self defense starts with situational awareness.
I'd imagine practicing however you plan to draw is going to create muscle memory. Practice, practice, practice. In the video the distance for most is a lot to overcome. I've seen 15 and 20 ft distances being closed in a short amount of time. If the guy really wanted to dominate her it would have been very easy, like we saw in his second attempt. She may have shot him but she also may have a life threatening wound as well.
If the idea of carrying a gun is what most say its for then this to me is a fail on her part.
I am no expert nor gun person so my opinion is only me thinking out loud.
I think this depends on your clothing, some jackets, especially if it's a cold day out it, wouldn't look too out of place. During summer on the other hand it's going to look much more obvious (then again, that may not be a problem since it might well move potential robbers on). As for pulling the gun out of your pocket I think the idea here is that you simply don't unless you really have the time, a hole in your jacket might be a fair price to pay.
Then again I'm from Sweden, so this is obviously pure theory.
Post by: Outback in Idaho on June 02, 2016, 06:24:45 PM
https://youtu.be/nZ-z-om7PRU
When I worked security I did get the drop on a guy trying to sucker knife me. Ya gotta move around, and practice. With anything, practice perfects reaction.
Post by: raistlin65 on June 02, 2016, 06:27:40 PM
This is why you don't carry a gun big enough or bulky enough that you need a waistband holster of fit. if you can't carry the gun where you can causally slip a hand into a pocket and have the gun in your hand and ready to go, then you need a more concealable gun. This is why I like small pocket guns, so I can slip a hand in a pocket and it's already to pull and shoot. Or not shoot if I can de-escalate the situation. It's very surprising when they see a gun half out of a pocket that all of a sudden they get religion. "I swear to God I was only gonna ask you for the time" or other such nonsense.
If the situation looks hinky, you step back and have the gun ready to go, with it in your hand in the pocket. If need be, just shoot right through the pocket. You can buy another jacket/vest. I've been known to turn a bit sideways and have the gun out in my hand down by my leg. The heck with what they teach in these 'classes' you pay a lot of money for and learn how to get killed on the street. Unfortunately, the bad guys don't take these classes, and don't attack so blatantly, instead launching an attack at arms length.
Second mistake the gun folks make is, they don't move. Use the two feet God you to move, step back to the side, run, anything to keep distance. Footwork. Standing there going for a gun under the shirt or jacket in a hip holster or inside the waistband will get you killed every time.
Carryng a full size or near full size gun that needs a support system will get you killed. Use a small pocket pistol that fits in the palm of a hand and can be carried in a pants pocket. I'd rather have one of my NAA mini's, a Secamp or Ruger LCP than a larger gun.
My cousin goes to a place out in Las Vegas called Front sight, and takes all these classes that cost a lotos money. So far, every tine he comes back and showe=s me what they taught, it's been how to get killed. Their 'rules of engagement are beyond ridiculous.
If you are well and truly cornered like this video says, and you have some unidentified person crowding you and leaving you no retreat, then that gun needs to be out and ready and you yell "BACK OFF!" in a very loud voice. Make him very aware you are going to shoot him in the next instant of he leaves you no choice.
Well, except that the class I took didn't encourage keeping your gun in your coat pocket. I don't think fumbling around in your pocket to get a purchase on your loose weapon is necessarily going to be faster on the draw than someone who has the right holster and has practiced ;)
You are not fumbling around for a gun, that's the whole point. Your gun is ALREADY in your hand in the pocket. All you have to do is pull it out, way way faster than brushing under a jacket/shirt to grab the gun. The woman in the video does everything wrong that she can. It's a great video for a lesson in getting killed. He who gets the gun out first and fires first will see the sunrise in the morning.
The point of that video was someone being caught completely off guard. Unless you walk around with your hand on your gun in your pocket all of the time, then in that situation, you would have to find the gun in your pocket.
Now if you do walk around 100% of the time with your hand on your gun, then you are right. But I don't think most of us want to live like that. Most of us like to be able to use both of our arms. ;)
Post by: Aloha on June 02, 2016, 11:14:02 PM
@fortytwo, my thinking was purely theory as well :salute:. I was thinking the clothing people wear to conceal their gun needs to be moved then hand on gun and draw. I've seen guys just wear t-shirts to conceal carry.
The only videos that show how gun violence or how gun self defense actually goes down are CCTV footage. These mock training scenarios are fine but people bent on doing wrong don't have rules of engagement.
When its a life or death decision ( pulling weapon and using it ) I also think the average person does hesitate. I'm am not talking about a bad person in the process of attacking. I'm talking about the threat within a distance to think first.
@raistlin65 very fair assessment.
http://www.policemag.com/channel/weapons/articles/2014/09/revisiting-the-21-foot-rule.aspx
Post by: Gareth on June 03, 2016, 09:28:13 AM
I saw that video Xelkos. It was really intense and scary.
@fortytwo, my thinking was purely theory as well :salute:. I was thinking the clothing people wear to conceal their gun needs to be moved then hand on gun and draw. I've seen guys just wear t-shirts to conceal carry.
The only videos that show how gun violence or how gun self defense actually goes down are CCTV footage. These mock training scenarios are fine but people bent on doing wrong don't have rules of engagement.
When its a life or death decision ( pulling weapon and using it ) I also think the average person does hesitate. I'm am not talking about a bad person in the process of attacking. I'm talking about the threat within a distance to think first.
@raistlin65 very fair assessment.
http://www.policemag.com/channel/weapons/articles/2014/09/revisiting-the-21-foot-rule.aspx
Interesting reading there mate. :)
Post by: Outback in Idaho on June 06, 2016, 05:52:25 AM
It can fire more than 25 calibers, making it your go-to firearm in times of ammo shortages. From 9mm Luger to .357 Magnum, this revolver fires almost everything. Unfortunately it's no longer made, but can be purchased for a hefty chunk of change.
https://youtu.be/UaNoDR1MMCQ
Post by: Outback in Idaho on June 06, 2016, 06:21:56 AM
(http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Federal-Ammo-Cov.jpg)
Now shipping the new Micro HST 9mm Luger 150 grain round. Designed to pair alongside smaller, concealable guns the 150 grain 9mm Luger aims to reduce felt recoil and noise while shooting. Read the article (http://www.guns.com/2016/05/19/federal-premium-adds-new-9mm-round-to-micro-hst-line/) if you want. ;)
Post by: Gareth on June 06, 2016, 09:42:01 AM
Did you all ever see or hear about a Phillips & Rodgers Medusa M-47??
It can fire more than 25 calibers, making it your go-to firearm in times of ammo shortages. From 9mm Luger to .357 Magnum, this revolver fires almost everything. Unfortunately it's no longer made, but can be purchased for a hefty chunk of change.
https://youtu.be/UaNoDR1MMCQ
Cool idea and doesn't actually seem that hard to do. The "tab" that holds the pistol rounds just looks to be part of the extractor.
Post by: captain spaulding on June 06, 2016, 10:11:12 AM
Just saw this post, Federal Premium adds new 9mm round to Micro HST line.
(http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Federal-Ammo-Cov.jpg)
Now shipping the new Micro HST 9mm Luger 150 grain round. Designed to pair alongside smaller, concealable guns the 150 grain 9mm Luger aims to reduce felt recoil and noise while shooting. Read the article (http://www.guns.com/2016/05/19/federal-premium-adds-new-9mm-round-to-micro-hst-line/) if you want. ;)
Nice. I like Federal ammo a lot and usually only buy Federal.
Has anyone seen the RIP ammo. It came out a few years ago so it's not new, but still worth a look.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 06, 2016, 03:00:00 PM
Just saw this post, Federal Premium adds new 9mm round to Micro HST line.
(http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Federal-Ammo-Cov.jpg)
Now shipping the new Micro HST 9mm Luger 150 grain round. Designed to pair alongside smaller, concealable guns the 150 grain 9mm Luger aims to reduce felt recoil and noise while shooting. Read the article (http://www.guns.com/2016/05/19/federal-premium-adds-new-9mm-round-to-micro-hst-line/) if you want. ;)
Nice. I like Federal ammo a lot and usually only buy Federal.
Has anyone seen the RIP ammo. It came out a few years ago so it's not new, but still worth a look.
Have not seen the RIP ammo but am also a Federal fan. Also think Cor Bon has some great stuff though.
Post by: captain spaulding on June 06, 2016, 03:12:06 PM
Just saw this post, Federal Premium adds new 9mm round to Micro HST line.
(http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Federal-Ammo-Cov.jpg)
Now shipping the new Micro HST 9mm Luger 150 grain round. Designed to pair alongside smaller, concealable guns the 150 grain 9mm Luger aims to reduce felt recoil and noise while shooting. Read the article (http://www.guns.com/2016/05/19/federal-premium-adds-new-9mm-round-to-micro-hst-line/) if you want. ;)
Nice. I like Federal ammo a lot and usually only buy Federal.
Has anyone seen the RIP ammo. It came out a few years ago so it's not new, but still worth a look.
Have not seen the RIP ammo but am also a Federal fan. Also think Cor Bon has some great stuff though.
Whats not to love about Federal! Its normally the least expensive with the exception of aluminum cased Russian crap and is the most uniform and consistent. So lets do the math....... Cheaper than the others with better quality and performance..... :think: No brainer from this angle. :D
This is pertaining to "range" ammo in pistol calibers.
Post by: dks on June 06, 2016, 04:26:44 PM
Being US made supposedly gives them mystical properties according to most dealers here, who will sell you 5 cheap quality US shells for the price of 25 decent made European ones. The better US ones are even more expensive.
Post by: raistlin65 on June 06, 2016, 04:43:20 PM
Just saw this post, Federal Premium adds new 9mm round to Micro HST line.
(http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Federal-Ammo-Cov.jpg)
Now shipping the new Micro HST 9mm Luger 150 grain round. Designed to pair alongside smaller, concealable guns the 150 grain 9mm Luger aims to reduce felt recoil and noise while shooting. Read the article (http://www.guns.com/2016/05/19/federal-premium-adds-new-9mm-round-to-micro-hst-line/) if you want. ;)
Nice. I like Federal ammo a lot and usually only buy Federal.
Has anyone seen the RIP ammo. It came out a few years ago so it's not new, but still worth a look.
Have not seen the RIP ammo but am also a Federal fan. Also think Cor Bon has some great stuff though.
Whats not to love about Federal! Its normally the least expensive with the exception of aluminum cased Russian crap and is the most uniform and consistent. So lets do the math....... Cheaper than the others with better quality and performance..... :think: No brainer from this angle. :D
This is pertaining to "range" ammo in pistol calibers.
I usually buy from Sportsman's Guide, and Federal is typically more expensive than Magtech, Fiocchi, and others. Otherwise, I'd buy it :)
Post by: captain spaulding on June 06, 2016, 05:19:59 PM
Just saw this post, Federal Premium adds new 9mm round to Micro HST line.
(http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Federal-Ammo-Cov.jpg)
Now shipping the new Micro HST 9mm Luger 150 grain round. Designed to pair alongside smaller, concealable guns the 150 grain 9mm Luger aims to reduce felt recoil and noise while shooting. Read the article (http://www.guns.com/2016/05/19/federal-premium-adds-new-9mm-round-to-micro-hst-line/) if you want. ;)
Nice. I like Federal ammo a lot and usually only buy Federal.
Has anyone seen the RIP ammo. It came out a few years ago so it's not new, but still worth a look.
Have not seen the RIP ammo but am also a Federal fan. Also think Cor Bon has some great stuff though.
Whats not to love about Federal! Its normally the least expensive with the exception of aluminum cased Russian crap and is the most uniform and consistent. So lets do the math....... Cheaper than the others with better quality and performance..... :think: No brainer from this angle. :D
This is pertaining to "range" ammo in pistol calibers.
I usually buy from Sportsman's Guide, and Federal is typically more expensive than Magtech, Fiocchi, and others. Otherwise, I'd buy it :)
Maybe its priced differently or they carry different stuff. Federal has different lines of ammo. Magtech is nice. I will hapily shoot that.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 06, 2016, 05:28:47 PM
Post by: Outback in Idaho on June 06, 2016, 08:11:38 PM
Problem with Winchester wasn't/isn't the best and some folks have had jams and bad ejection issues. Hickok45 even had a few misfires from Winchester yet nary a fail with Federal.
Ruger has this new ammo that's super light weight, ARX (http://www.ruger.com/micros/ammo/index.html?r=y). 80 grains Luger 9mm ~ 56 grains .380 ACP?!? :ahhh
So far not found any 150 grain target ammo, it's all 115 grains. :facepalm:
Post by: ColoSwiss on June 06, 2016, 09:56:19 PM
Been buying my ammo at Cabelas. Good selection and good prices.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 06, 2016, 10:11:26 PM
50 rounds at 25 feet. That HK USP does shot.
Been buying my ammo at Cabelas. Good selection and good prices.
Not sure using your SAK as a target is a good idea.
Post by: campussecurity on June 06, 2016, 10:12:19 PM
Post by: raistlin65 on June 06, 2016, 11:00:41 PM
50 rounds at 25 feet. That HK USP does shot.
Been buying my ammo at Cabelas. Good selection and good prices.
Not sure using your SAK as a target is a good idea.
That's what Leatherman's are for, right? ;)
Post by: Outback in Idaho on June 06, 2016, 11:20:41 PM
50 rounds at 25 feet. That HK USP does shot.
Been buying my ammo at Cabelas. Good selection and good prices.
Not sure using your SAK as a target is a good idea.
That's what Leatherman's are for, right? ;)
Gerbers! Definitely Gerbers!
Post by: jerseydevil on June 07, 2016, 12:22:02 AM
50 rounds at 25 feet. That HK USP does shot.
Been buying my ammo at Cabelas. Good selection and good prices.
Not sure using your SAK as a target is a good idea.
That's what Leatherman's are for, right? ;)
Gerbers! Definitely Gerbers!
:twak:
:D
In terms of ammo, the calibers I shoot regularly are hard to find from major ammo companies, with the exception of some long-established calibers like 7x57 Mauser or .303 British. Try finding 6.5x52mm Carcano or 7.5x55 Swiss in your average sporting goods store! :ahhh That's where companies like Norma and Fiocchi come in. Their loads approximate factory ball, and in Norma's case, the cartridges are Boxer primed, making them easily reloadable. :tu:
Post by: raistlin65 on June 07, 2016, 01:01:33 AM
50 rounds at 25 feet. That HK USP does shot.
Been buying my ammo at Cabelas. Good selection and good prices.
Not sure using your SAK as a target is a good idea.
That's what Leatherman's are for, right? ;)
Gerbers! Definitely Gerbers!
The Bear Grills multitool target version! Only cost you 40% more and comes with his signature
Post by: Outback in Idaho on June 07, 2016, 02:13:12 AM
50 rounds at 25 feet. That HK USP does shot.
Been buying my ammo at Cabelas. Good selection and good prices.
Not sure using your SAK as a target is a good idea.
That's what Leatherman's are for, right? ;)
Gerbers! Definitely Gerbers!
The Bear Grills multitool target version! Only cost you 40% more and comes with his signature
:rofl:
Post by: ColoSwiss on June 07, 2016, 02:55:58 AM
50 rounds at 25 feet. That HK USP does shot.
Been buying my ammo at Cabelas. Good selection and good prices.
Not sure using your SAK as a target is a good idea.
I'll leave that to you and your Chinese knock-off.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 07, 2016, 05:04:12 AM
50 rounds at 25 feet. That HK USP does shot.
Been buying my ammo at Cabelas. Good selection and good prices.
Not sure using your SAK as a target is a good idea.
That's what Leatherman's are for, right? ;)
Gerbers! Definitely Gerbers!
The Bear Grills multitool target version! Only cost you 40% more and comes with his signature
I was thinking SOG would make good targets.
Post by: dks on June 07, 2016, 03:39:38 PM
Post by: Gareth on June 07, 2016, 04:32:16 PM
No more les Stroud tools to shoot?
I think they all fell apart on the way to the end of the shooting range.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 08, 2016, 04:03:24 AM
No more les Stroud tools to shoot?
I think they all fell apart on the way to the end of the shooting range.
I blew it up.
Sorry.
Post by: raistlin65 on June 08, 2016, 04:15:03 AM
No more les Stroud tools to shoot?
I think they all fell apart on the way to the end of the shooting range.
Nah. They got lost in the wilderness and never made their way out.
Post by: Humppa on June 08, 2016, 07:58:17 PM
:twak:
:D
In terms of ammo, the calibers I shoot regularly are hard to find from major ammo companies, with the exception of some long-established calibers like 7x57 Mauser or .303 British. Try finding 6.5x52mm Carcano or 7.5x55 Swiss in your average sporting goods store! :ahhh That's where companies like Norma and Fiocchi come in. Their loads approximate factory ball, and in Norma's case, the cartridges are Boxer primed, making them easily reloadable. :tu:
Indeed, finding ammo is a real big deal sometimes, at least for reasonable prices.
Many of the ammo that is not that common around can also be had by RWS (no idea, if this ammo is available in the US, but they do good job on their ammo). Mostly hunting ammo though, which means hunting bullets for hunting prices... so no big deal for shooting on a range.
7,5x55 mm Swiss is really hard to come by. Years ago they were even sold in bulk packs at about 50 pcs for about 40.00 EUR. Like the good cheap stuff for 8x57IS or .303Brit.
It might also be a regional thing, here in Germany it´s hard to get .30-30 Win. At least for range shooting. This really sucks.
But very common here are 9.3x72R or 8x57IRS for the hunting rifles like the good ol' Drilling, for example.
Oh... and 16 gauge shotgun shells are widely available here, not so much in the US it seems, even for Trap & Skeet are lighter loads available.
Post by: Gareth on June 08, 2016, 11:46:25 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 08, 2016, 11:52:18 PM
Def
Post by: Gareth on June 08, 2016, 11:55:48 PM
Post by: jerseydevil on June 09, 2016, 12:11:46 AM
I have about 80 rounds of 7.5x55 loaded, along with about 200 empty cases. It's an easy cartridge to load for, despite its name it takes standard .308"/7.62mm bullets. 16 gauge is a practically dead loading here in the US. The 3" 20ga can do anything a 16 can and more. You sometimes see it in smaller shops, but it's far from common. .30-30, however..... ;)
:twak:
:D
In terms of ammo, the calibers I shoot regularly are hard to find from major ammo companies, with the exception of some long-established calibers like 7x57 Mauser or .303 British. Try finding 6.5x52mm Carcano or 7.5x55 Swiss in your average sporting goods store! :ahhh That's where companies like Norma and Fiocchi come in. Their loads approximate factory ball, and in Norma's case, the cartridges are Boxer primed, making them easily reloadable. :tu:
Indeed, finding ammo is a real big deal sometimes, at least for reasonable prices.
Many of the ammo that is not that common around can also be had by RWS (no idea, if this ammo is available in the US, but they do good job on their ammo). Mostly hunting ammo though, which means hunting bullets for hunting prices... so no big deal for shooting on a range.
7,5x55 mm Swiss is really hard to come by. Years ago they were even sold in bulk packs at about 50 pcs for about 40.00 EUR. Like the good cheap stuff for 8x57IS or .303Brit.
It might also be a regional thing, here in Germany it´s hard to get .30-30 Win. At least for range shooting. This really sucks.
But very common here are 9.3x72R or 8x57IRS for the hunting rifles like the good ol' Drilling, for example.
Oh... and 16 gauge shotgun shells are widely available here, not so much in the US it seems, even for Trap & Skeet are lighter loads available.
Post by: Outback in Idaho on June 09, 2016, 12:17:27 AM
I like things that go bang.
Def
https://youtu.be/8xhPLMqNliY
Post by: SAK Guy on June 09, 2016, 02:12:01 AM
I carry Hornady Critical Duty in my .40 and Critical Defense in my .38 Special. I really like Hornady ammo for carry.
I like Remington Golden Sabers
The ones in my gun are prob 10+ years old....Just recently bought some new ones to swap 'em out. :facepalm:
Usually run 230's but bought 185's this last time.
http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/ammunition/pistol%20revolver/gs.aspx
Used to keep Glasers in the Highpower back in the gun shop days. A mag full of those would set you back some dollars.
Post by: SAK Guy on June 09, 2016, 02:24:44 AM
50 rounds at 25 feet. That HK USP does shot.
Been buying my ammo at Cabelas. Good selection and good prices.
That's excellent Karl!!!! :cheers: Really want a USP.
Post by: Outback in Idaho on June 09, 2016, 02:36:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v92yDr_Aeo
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 09, 2016, 02:45:36 AM
I like things that go bang.
Def
https://youtu.be/8xhPLMqNliY
Those are even better!
Def
Post by: ColoSwiss on June 09, 2016, 03:19:32 AM
50 rounds at 25 feet. That HK USP does shot.
Been buying my ammo at Cabelas. Good selection and good prices.
That's excellent Karl!!!! :cheers: Really want a USP.
Thanks. :cheers: Really like it.
Recently picked up a Beretta M92. Had good luck with them in the past, but this one groups about three times larger than the HK. Thought it was me, but it looks it's like the gun. May need to get a trigger job on the Beretta, or trade it in on something else. Any one have any experience with the HK Mark 23?
(Mk 23 top / USP bottom)
Post by: ColoSwiss on June 09, 2016, 03:22:33 AM
2500 grain bullet, $40 a pop!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v92yDr_Aeo
That's for wimps. Here's what the real men use.
Lahti 20mm anti-tank gun.
Post by: jerseydevil on June 09, 2016, 04:11:12 AM
2500 grain bullet, $40 a pop!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v92yDr_Aeo
That's for wimps. Here's what the real men use.
Lahti 20mm anti-tank gun.
:D I got to see a Lahti at a gun show once. It's a monster!
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 09, 2016, 04:34:18 AM
2500 grain bullet, $40 a pop!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v92yDr_Aeo
That's for wimps. Here's what the real men use.
Lahti 20mm anti-tank gun.
:D I got to see a Lahti at a gun show once. It's a monster!
I shoot them full auto from the hip, true story.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 09, 2016, 07:52:12 AM
And if so, is it the stuff you were trying to hit?
Def
Post by: David on June 09, 2016, 09:30:40 AM
I carry Hornady Critical Duty in my .40 and Critical Defense in my .38 Special. I really like Hornady ammo for carry.
I like Remington Golden Sabersbecause they have a really cool name. Nickle cases, 100% function and good specs. Out here at the farm, could probably just run ball in my 45 but the occasional trip to town warrants a controlled penetration load.
The ones in my gun are prob 10+ years old....Just recently bought some new ones to swap 'em out. :facepalm:
Usually run 230's but bought 185's this last time.
http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/ammunition/pistol%20revolver/gs.aspx
Used to keep Glasers in the Highpower back in the gun shop days. A mag full of those would set you back some dollars.
Glasers been many years since I've heard anyone mention those. They were expensive.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 09, 2016, 11:50:30 AM
Do you hit much when you do?
And if so, is it the stuff you were trying to hit?
Def
Yep bullseye at 1000 yards with no scope up hill in the rain.
Post by: raistlin65 on June 09, 2016, 02:55:48 PM
Do you hit much when you do?
And if so, is it the stuff you were trying to hit?
Def
Yep bullseye at 1000 yards with no scope up hill in the rain.
You forgot "at night" :D
Post by: jerseydevil on June 09, 2016, 04:54:41 PM
Do you hit much when you do?
And if so, is it the stuff you were trying to hit?
Def
Yep bullseye at 1000 yards with no scope up hill in the rain.
You forgot "at night" :D
Both ways.....
Post by: ColoSwiss on June 09, 2016, 09:13:44 PM
Q: What's the difference between a Fairy Tale and a War Story?
A: A Fairy Tale begins: "Once upon a time…"
A War Story begins "You ain't gonna believe this $hit…"
Post by: Humppa on June 09, 2016, 09:27:34 PM
I have about 80 rounds of 7.5x55 loaded, along with about 200 empty cases. It's an easy cartridge to load for, despite its name it takes standard .308"/7.62mm bullets. 16 gauge is a practically dead loading here in the US. The 3" 20ga can do anything a 16 can and more. You sometimes see it in smaller shops, but it's far from common. .30-30, however..... ;)
:twak:
:D
In terms of ammo, the calibers I shoot regularly are hard to find from major ammo companies, with the exception of some long-established calibers like 7x57 Mauser or .303 British. Try finding 6.5x52mm Carcano or 7.5x55 Swiss in your average sporting goods store! :ahhh That's where companies like Norma and Fiocchi come in. Their loads approximate factory ball, and in Norma's case, the cartridges are Boxer primed, making them easily reloadable. :tu:
Indeed, finding ammo is a real big deal sometimes, at least for reasonable prices.
Many of the ammo that is not that common around can also be had by RWS (no idea, if this ammo is available in the US, but they do good job on their ammo). Mostly hunting ammo though, which means hunting bullets for hunting prices... so no big deal for shooting on a range.
7,5x55 mm Swiss is really hard to come by. Years ago they were even sold in bulk packs at about 50 pcs for about 40.00 EUR. Like the good cheap stuff for 8x57IS or .303Brit.
It might also be a regional thing, here in Germany it´s hard to get .30-30 Win. At least for range shooting. This really sucks.
But very common here are 9.3x72R or 8x57IRS for the hunting rifles like the good ol' Drilling, for example.
Oh... and 16 gauge shotgun shells are widely available here, not so much in the US it seems, even for Trap & Skeet are lighter loads available.
No doubt about it, at least for the US. Here the 16/70 or 16/67.5 is still a common caliber for many hunters here, especially when steel pellets are not required like hunting small game on the ground. But for water hunter, lead pellets are prohibited here.
But in general, even ammunition seems to follow some trend of fashion. A few years back only the good ol K98 was used in 8x57IS, but it makes a wonderful wild boar round. So... since the wild boars are a real plague here, new guns are made in 8x57IS again and the ammuntion was back in the sellers drawers again.
I have no doubt this will happen to many other calibers, be it rifles or shotguns.
There are so many obsolete calibers and catridges, but time will show if they will come back from the abyss or not.
Es
Personally, I doubt that the 6.5x52Carcano will come back on the track again. It is not that accurate as it could be. Espcially when the 6.5x55 SE is still around and about for great accuracy.
Here in Germany nobody cared about the Mosin Nagant, and does not to really nowadays. But in the US there seems be some kind of hype about that rifle and the catridge. Indeed, you can get an arsenal cared gun for a few bucks, but accuracy is not so great - at least from what I´ve seen on the range.
Well, just a few thoughts.
Post by: strmliner on June 09, 2016, 09:58:21 PM
Did you all ever see or hear about a Phillips & Rodgers Medusa M-47??
It can fire more than 25 calibers, making it your go-to firearm in times of ammo shortages. From 9mm Luger to .357 Magnum, this revolver fires almost everything. Unfortunately it's no longer made, but can be purchased for a hefty chunk of change.
https://youtu.be/UaNoDR1MMCQ
Oh yeah...I found out about these around 2006/2007...then they were about $1,000 used, if you could find one. I actually tracked one down at a shop here in Calif in 2009, but it was quite used and not worth the price.
It's a great idea for the extreme Prepper or collector. :cheers:
Post by: Chako on June 10, 2016, 01:30:54 AM
Post by: jerseydevil on June 10, 2016, 01:39:53 AM
Tell me about it. I bought Cartridges of the World electronic version for my IPad. I was amazed at all the different types of cartridges there are out there. The book is a very fascinating read by the way.
Frank Barnes. :) I've had copies of that since I was a kid. Firearms fascinate me, and cartridges do as well. My cartridge collection is quite large, some real rarities in there, like an original .577-450 Martini-Henry rolled brass, paper patched round. Zulu War era......
Post by: ColoSwiss on June 10, 2016, 03:33:19 AM
Post by: jerseydevil on June 10, 2016, 03:46:55 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on June 10, 2016, 08:09:23 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on June 11, 2016, 03:58:20 PM
The Astra 400 was chambered for the 9mm Largo (Bergman-Bayard)(9x23mm). It would also generally work with the similar 9mm Steyr (also 9x23mm, but slight dimensional differences) and the .38 Colt Auto (forerunner of the hotter .38 Super Auto, and semi-rimmed). Differing reports as to its ability to operate with 9mm Lugar (9x19mm) and 9mm Short (.380 ACP)(9x17mm)(basically headspacing on the extractor).
I had one of these come through the gun shop years ago....almost kept it but had High Powers and 1911's so couldn't really justify it.....which is the same incredibly stupid logic that caused me to sell my mint 30.06 FN SAFN, Colt Sauer 30-06, German PPK and 2nd Gen Colt Peacemaker.
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Post by: kirk13 on June 11, 2016, 05:55:43 PM
The Astra 400 was chambered for the 9mm Largo (Bergman-Bayard)(9x23mm). It would also generally work with the similar 9mm Steyr (also 9x23mm, but slight dimensional differences) and the .38 Colt Auto (forerunner of the hotter .38 Super Auto, and semi-rimmed). Differing reports as to its ability to operate with 9mm Lugar (9x19mm) and 9mm Short (.380 ACP)(9x17mm)(basically headspacing on the extractor).
I had one of these come through the gun shop years ago....almost kept it but had High Powers and 1911's so couldn't really justify it.....which is the same incredibly stupid logic that caused me to sell my mint 30.06 FN SAFN, Colt Sauer 30-06, German PPK and 2nd Gen Colt Peacemaker.
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Er,Robert? :megaslap:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 11, 2016, 07:34:10 PM
The Astra 400 was chambered for the 9mm Largo (Bergman-Bayard)(9x23mm). It would also generally work with the similar 9mm Steyr (also 9x23mm, but slight dimensional differences) and the .38 Colt Auto (forerunner of the hotter .38 Super Auto, and semi-rimmed). Differing reports as to its ability to operate with 9mm Lugar (9x19mm) and 9mm Short (.380 ACP)(9x17mm)(basically headspacing on the extractor).
I had one of these come through the gun shop years ago....almost kept it but had High Powers and 1911's so couldn't really justify it.....which is the same incredibly stupid logic that caused me to sell my mint 30.06 FN SAFN, Colt Sauer 30-06, German PPK and 2nd Gen Colt Peacemaker.
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Er,Robert? :megaslap:
This may be the first time it is actually called for.
Sigh.
Post by: jerseydevil on June 11, 2016, 07:50:57 PM
Post by: Outback in Idaho on June 12, 2016, 07:57:08 AM
No one I know, outside of police officer, has a .40 caliber I could try out. Almost got the Ruger SR40c... but though others say they weigh the same as a SR9c I found the SR9c to be lighter in weight and have a more comfortable grip. And those other places say it's the same frame and grip as the SR9c but for some reason the SR9c felt better than the SC40c.
Still, a hammer fired pistol would be more secure in the long run. And I'm guessing with a hammer fired pistol, keeping one in the oven would not put the main spring under pressure like a striker pin version would.
Kinda of like the Taurus PT738 in that it's hammer fired and I know it's going to be secure. Though the Ruger SR9c/40c have rear safeties too, they are still striker fired. But I trust Ruger. :D
Post by: Gareth on June 12, 2016, 04:36:35 PM
Wished I could of afforded a sub-Commander 1911, thought not sure if I'd stay with 9mm or try 40mm.
No one I know, outside of police officer, has a .40 caliber I could try out. Almost got the Ruger SR40c... but though others say they weigh the same as a SR9c I found the SR9c to be lighter in weight and have a more comfortable grip. And those other places say it's the same frame and grip as the SR9c but for some reason the SR9c felt better than the SC40c.
Still, a hammer fired pistol would be more secure in the long run. And I'm guessing with a hammer fired pistol, keeping one in the oven would not put the main spring under pressure like a striker pin version would.
Kinda of like the Taurus PT738 in that it's hammer fired and I know it's going to be secure. Though the Ruger SR9c/40c have rear safeties too, they are still striker fired. But I trust Ruger. :D
That's some pistol! :o
:D
Post by: SAK Guy on June 12, 2016, 07:02:59 PM
The Astra 400 was chambered for the 9mm Largo (Bergman-Bayard)(9x23mm). It would also generally work with the similar 9mm Steyr (also 9x23mm, but slight dimensional differences) and the .38 Colt Auto (forerunner of the hotter .38 Super Auto, and semi-rimmed). Differing reports as to its ability to operate with 9mm Lugar (9x19mm) and 9mm Short (.380 ACP)(9x17mm)(basically headspacing on the extractor).
I had one of these come through the gun shop years ago....almost kept it but had High Powers and 1911's so couldn't really justify it.....which is the same incredibly stupid logic that caused me to sell my mint 30.06 FN SAFN, Colt Sauer 30-06, German PPK and 2nd Gen Colt Peacemaker.
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Er,Robert? :megaslap:
This may be the first time it is actually called for.
Sigh.
Yeah....I agree. :facepalm:
But....on the flip side, if I had kept them all, there's an excellent chance they would have been lost in the big fire....and that is how I can get to sleep some nights. :facepalm:
Post by: SAK Guy on June 12, 2016, 07:04:17 PM
:facepalm: forced to sell? When I'm forced to sell, I sell to my dad or my friend's father, then buy them back. :) the guns are basically collateral on a loan.
Yeah, I should have done something like this....
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 12, 2016, 07:05:08 PM
The Astra 400 was chambered for the 9mm Largo (Bergman-Bayard)(9x23mm). It would also generally work with the similar 9mm Steyr (also 9x23mm, but slight dimensional differences) and the .38 Colt Auto (forerunner of the hotter .38 Super Auto, and semi-rimmed). Differing reports as to its ability to operate with 9mm Lugar (9x19mm) and 9mm Short (.380 ACP)(9x17mm)(basically headspacing on the extractor).
I had one of these come through the gun shop years ago....almost kept it but had High Powers and 1911's so couldn't really justify it.....which is the same incredibly stupid logic that caused me to sell my mint 30.06 FN SAFN, Colt Sauer 30-06, German PPK and 2nd Gen Colt Peacemaker.
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Er,Robert? :megaslap:
This may be the first time it is actually called for.
Sigh.
Yeah....I agree. :facepalm:
But....on the flip side, if I had kept them all, there's an excellent chance they would have been lost in the big fire....and that is how I can get to sleep some nights. :facepalm:
That's a great point.
Maybe you should send me all your SAKs for safe keeping. Just so there are no issues in the future.
Post by: Outback in Idaho on June 12, 2016, 08:46:40 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on June 13, 2016, 07:04:11 AM
Wished I could of afforded a sub-Commander 1911, thought not sure if I'd stay with 9mm or try 40mm.
No one I know, outside of police officer, has a .40 caliber I could try out. Almost got the Ruger SR40c... but though others say they weigh the same as a SR9c I found the SR9c to be lighter in weight and have a more comfortable grip. And those other places say it's the same frame and grip as the SR9c but for some reason the SR9c felt better than the SC40c.
Still, a hammer fired pistol would be more secure in the long run. And I'm guessing with a hammer fired pistol, keeping one in the oven would not put the main spring under pressure like a striker pin version would.
Kinda of like the Taurus PT738 in that it's hammer fired and I know it's going to be secure. Though the Ruger SR9c/40c have rear safeties too, they are still striker fired. But I trust Ruger. :D
That's some pistol! :o
:D
40mm pistol. Cut down M-79 grenade launcher. Useful with the buckshot load, or for throwing a WP out where there's some odd noises.
Post by: Gareth on June 13, 2016, 09:33:37 AM
Post by: Outback in Idaho on June 24, 2016, 07:15:42 AM
Wouldn't ya know it. Walmart has a Savage 320, 12 gauge on sale for $172. Swear they saw me coming! :ahhh
Post by: Gareth on June 24, 2016, 01:16:00 PM
Post by: Outback in Idaho on June 24, 2016, 05:13:07 PM
Since not able to go out with the Men's Retreat this weekend I might go camping again next week - pending feet issues. Not a fan of going camping alone.
Have always cleaned a rifle/pistol before heading out to the range cause of the small bored and bullets. Guessing shotguns need to be cleaned just the same even though the bore is much bigger. This is my first shotgun. Still have no idea what possessed me in buying it.
Seems a lot of people recommend a 20 gauge for home defense cause of the shorter barrel? I've shot grouse with a 38 special shot shell or 22 round. Think is was going to go bird hunting, steel shot prolly be better?
So looked up the difference between 20 & 12 gauge and found this video... :rofl:
https://youtu.be/BnT723O5fZg
Post by: pfrsantos on June 24, 2016, 07:49:35 PM
:ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
When the watermelon appeared, was I the only one going: "Megan?!..."
:think:
Post by: Gareth on June 24, 2016, 08:01:29 PM
NOOOO!!!! NOT THE BEER!!!!
:ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
When the watermelon appeared, was I the only one going: "Megan?!..."
:think:
Don't worry mate, it's American "light", not really beer at all. :D
Post by: pfrsantos on June 24, 2016, 08:27:34 PM
NOOOO!!!! NOT THE BEER!!!!
:ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
When the watermelon appeared, was I the only one going: "Megan?!..."
:think:
Don't worry mate, it's American "light", not really beer at all. :D
Oh, just like spanish beer...
You know why it is like making love in a canoe?...
Show content
'cause its smurfing close to water...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: Gareth on June 24, 2016, 10:32:53 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 25, 2016, 02:40:45 AM
NOOOO!!!! NOT THE BEER!!!!
:ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
When the watermelon appeared, was I the only one going: "Megan?!..."
:think:
Don't worry mate, it's American "light", not really beer at all. :D
Oh, just like spanish beer...
You know why it is like making love in a canoe?...Show content'cause its smurfing close to water...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Lol.
Post by: Outback in Idaho on June 26, 2016, 08:54:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hpDMK3gmTI
Post by: captain spaulding on June 26, 2016, 09:41:59 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 27, 2016, 11:54:55 PM
Post by: raistlin65 on June 28, 2016, 12:08:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqQed5169zw
Picking it up this week.
Post by: Aloha on June 28, 2016, 12:12:05 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 28, 2016, 12:22:22 AM
"I don't own a single gun..."
Oh the humanity!
Post by: Aloha on June 28, 2016, 12:25:46 AM
"I don't own a single gun..."
Oh the humanity!
I do live in California and refuse to be told what, how many, and so on.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 28, 2016, 12:29:24 AM
"I don't own a single gun..."
Oh the humanity!
I do live in California and refuse to be told what, how many, and so on.
You should move.
Post by: Aloha on June 28, 2016, 12:33:25 AM
"I don't own a single gun..."
Oh the humanity!
I do live in California and refuse to be told what, how many, and so on.
You should move.
Plans are in place :tu:.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 28, 2016, 12:41:37 AM
"I don't own a single gun..."
Oh the humanity!
I do live in California and refuse to be told what, how many, and so on.
You should move.
Plans are in place :tu:.
Me also. I am moving home to Michigan now that I am retired.
If you come by that way let me know and we can do some shooting. I might have one or two guns around here somewhere.
Post by: ColoSwiss on June 28, 2016, 12:53:19 AM
Hickok45 sold me on the Walther PPQ 45:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqQed5169zw
Picking it up this week.
I just test fired a Walther PPQ 9mm at a range. Accurate but uncomfortable to hold, unpleasant to shoot, and had several other issues. Good luck with yours.
Post by: Aloha on June 28, 2016, 12:57:41 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 28, 2016, 01:00:35 AM
Hickok45 sold me on the Walther PPQ 45:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqQed5169zw
Picking it up this week.
I just test fired a Walther PPQ 9mm at a range. Accurate but uncomfortable to hold, unpleasant to shoot, and had several other issues. Good luck with yours.
Also not a fan of the PPQ ergos.
I would suggest giving a CZ P 07 or the like a test before buying something. Excellent firearms in every respect imo.
Post by: ColoSwiss on June 28, 2016, 01:06:07 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 28, 2016, 01:09:40 AM
Also shot a Sig-Sauer 320 the same afternoon. The exact opposite of the Walther. Comfortable in the hand, pleasant to shoot, reliable; but one of the most inaccurate pistols I've shoot in years. I may have to give the CZ P-07 a second try.
Wish you lived closer to me. I would let you try my Cajun Gun Works modded P 07 although I am afraid it would ruin you for other pistols.
Post by: ColoSwiss on June 28, 2016, 03:06:13 AM
Also shot a Sig-Sauer 320 the same afternoon. The exact opposite of the Walther. Comfortable in the hand, pleasant to shoot, reliable; but one of the most inaccurate pistols I've shoot in years. I may have to give the CZ P-07 a second try.
Wish you lived closer to me. I would let you try my Cajun Gun Works modded P 07 although I am afraid it would ruin you for other pistols.
Shot a P-07 at a range up in Ft Collins a couple of times. Dead on. So bought one. It shot low and left, and substantially larger groups. Irritating.
Your P-07 may equal my CZ 75 Shadow and HK USP, but I doubt it would surpass them.
Post by: raistlin65 on June 28, 2016, 04:35:57 AM
Hickok45 sold me on the Walther PPQ 45:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqQed5169zw
Picking it up this week.
I just test fired a Walther PPQ 9mm at a range. Accurate but uncomfortable to hold, unpleasant to shoot, and had several other issues. Good luck with yours.
I don't think I'll have a problem as I've had a chance to dry fire the 45. Felt great in the hand and loved the trigger feel.
Also, the PPQ 45 has a bit longer grip than the 9mm. Might be it would suit you better, too.
Post by: SAK Guy on June 28, 2016, 05:12:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEIvu_aWccY
Post by: Gareth on June 28, 2016, 12:08:47 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on June 28, 2016, 04:11:20 PM
Interesting that they've gone back to/stuck with a relatively low capacity pistol. The Walther PPQ 45 in the above video holds 12 (if my ears counted right). I understand that there are, of course, other factors that come into play, but you'd have thought one or two more rounds might have been nice.
Besides it being a traditional design, it's role as a secondary weapon might explain it's 8 round capacity, Marines are rifleman first. If a sidearm has a primary weapon role, in law enforcement for an example, one can see the desire for larger capacity pistols. I used to have a buddy in the DEA and for his 92 Beretta, he carried 2 extra 15 rd mags and an extra 20 rounder for when things really got hairy. That's 66 rounds. :o
Additionally, a single stack design helps keep an already heavy pistol's weight to a minimum. Something to consider if you carry one every day, all day long.
Another thing about it being single stack is the the grip remains relatively thin and oddly, the USMC was supplied with 2- extra 7rd mags.....nearly everyone uses 8 rounders. 1911 designs are easy to shoot well, they point naturally and are heavy enough to tame the sharp recoil but maybe I'm biased by my 41 year history with them. ::)
Post by: SAK Guy on June 28, 2016, 05:33:27 PM
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/Vic%20mag%20holders_zps3stqmblt.jpg)
And reaffirming my curmudgeon status....notice that those 8 rounders are only loaded with 7 rds. :facepalm:
Post by: jerseydevil on June 28, 2016, 05:50:12 PM
Discovered that in a pinch, the big Vic 130mm Yachtsman sheath also make great 1911 double mag pouch.
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/Vic%20mag%20holders_zps3stqmblt.jpg)
And reaffirming my curmudgeon status....notice that those 8 rounders are only loaded with 7 rds. :facepalm:
Traditionally the 7-round mags are actually eight round ones. The pistol is loaded with an eight-round clip, and the pistol charged. That makes it 7+1. The 1911 wasn't traditionally carried by troops with one in the chamber......
Post by: raistlin65 on June 28, 2016, 05:51:40 PM
Interesting that they've gone back to/stuck with a relatively low capacity pistol. The Walther PPQ 45 in the above video holds 12 (if my ears counted right). I understand that there are, of course, other factors that come into play, but you'd have thought one or two more rounds might have been nice.
Besides it being a traditional design, it's role as a secondary weapon might explain it's 8 round capacity, Marines are rifleman first. If a sidearm has a primary weapon role, in law enforcement for an example, one can see the desire for larger capacity pistols. I used to have a buddy in the DEA and for his 92 Beretta, he carried 2 extra 15 rd mags and an extra 20 rounder for when things really got hairy. That's 66 rounds. :o
Additionally, a single stack design helps keep an already heavy pistol's weight to a minimum. Something to consider if you carry one every day, all day long.
Another thing about it being single stack is the the grip remains relatively thin and oddly, the USMC was supplied with 2- extra 7rd mags.....nearly everyone uses 8 rounders. 1911 designs are easy to shoot well, they point naturally and are heavy enough to tame the sharp recoil but maybe I'm biased by my 41 year history with them. ::)
+1
I think you are right on with all of your observations, but I bet this is probably the main one. Going with more rounds would suggest a double stack magazine design which moves a good bit away from the classic 1911 feel, IMO. Look at the 1911 market, and it's obvious that there are all kinds of popular upgrades (sights, grips, triggers, different slide serrations, etc.) over the original govt 1911 design that sell, but double stack higher capacity doesn't seem to be a popular one given how few models are out there.
Post by: SAK Guy on June 28, 2016, 06:13:08 PM
Discovered that in a pinch, the big Vic 130mm Yachtsman sheath also make great 1911 double mag pouch.
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/Vic%20mag%20holders_zps3stqmblt.jpg)
And reaffirming my curmudgeon status....notice that those 8 rounders are only loaded with 7 rds. :facepalm:
Traditionally the 7-round mags are actually eight round ones. The pistol is loaded with an eight-round clip, and the pistol charged. That makes it 7+1. The 1911 wasn't traditionally carried by troops with one in the chamber......
All the orig Colt mags are 7 rounders, the 8 rounder is something from the last 15-20 years.
See the difference from an orig 80's Colt and a post 2000 Kimber?
One less hole in the Colt and It only holds 7 rds.
edit: Double checked the 8 rounder date, 1986 (30 years ago). Chip McCormick Shooting Stars which is my mag of choice these days. That Kimber in the pic is made by Chip McCormick as well.
Post by: jerseydevil on June 28, 2016, 09:00:18 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on June 29, 2016, 05:46:07 PM
Huh, my bad. I thought the Colt was always issued with an 8-round clip. Thanks for the correction!
Its a magazine not a clip. :twak:
Never thought I would see the day I had to :twak: you for this. :cry:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 29, 2016, 05:59:12 PM
Huh, my bad. I thought the Colt was always issued with an 8-round clip. Thanks for the correction!
Its a magazine not a clip. :twak:
Never thought I would see the day I had to :twak: you for this. :cry:
Me either. It is a sad day.
Post by: jerseydevil on June 29, 2016, 08:03:25 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 29, 2016, 08:06:57 PM
:facepalm: I can't believe I did that! I'm usually the first one to point that out! Sorry boys. :(
JD the MTO Firearms thread police. Has a certain ring to it.
Post by: captain spaulding on June 29, 2016, 08:12:40 PM
:facepalm: I can't believe I did that! I'm usually the first one to point that out! Sorry boys. :(
Its alright. You get one pass, but if there is a next time you have no excuse. ;)
Post by: strmliner on June 29, 2016, 08:42:22 PM
:facepalm: I can't believe I did that! I'm usually the first one to point that out! Sorry boys. :(
JD the MTO Firearms thread police. Has a certain ring to it.
Actually, I think the Captain has taken over that position here... :whistle:
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 29, 2016, 08:44:03 PM
:facepalm: I can't believe I did that! I'm usually the first one to point that out! Sorry boys. :(
JD the MTO Firearms thread police. Has a certain ring to it.
Actually, I think the Captain has taken over that position here... :whistle:
Lol, good point.
Post by: Outback in Idaho on June 29, 2016, 09:17:09 PM
https://youtu.be/ttF08RIhlYM
... aliens wear sneakers?
Post by: ColoSwiss on June 29, 2016, 09:35:36 PM
On another note... :rofl:
https://youtu.be/ttF08RIhlYM
... aliens wear sneakers?
Of course they do.
Post by: ducttapetech on June 29, 2016, 10:17:07 PM
Maybe, but let's face it, JD has forgotten more about weapon history and firearms than most of will ever know, put together.:facepalm: I can't believe I did that! I'm usually the first one to point that out! Sorry boys. :(
JD the MTO Firearms thread police. Has a certain ring to it.
Actually, I think the Captain has taken over that position here... :whistle:
Nate
Post by: jerseydevil on June 30, 2016, 12:59:07 AM
Maybe, but let's face it, JD has forgotten more about weapon history and firearms than most of will ever know, put together.:facepalm: I can't believe I did that! I'm usually the first one to point that out! Sorry boys. :(
JD the MTO Firearms thread police. Has a certain ring to it.
Actually, I think the Captain has taken over that position here... :whistle:
Nate
:D Thanks Nate. I've been studying them since I was a little kid, learning how Dad's Mausers were different by helping him strip them down.....
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 30, 2016, 01:56:05 AM
Maybe, but let's face it, JD has forgotten more about weapon history and firearms than most of will ever know, put together.:facepalm: I can't believe I did that! I'm usually the first one to point that out! Sorry boys. :(
JD the MTO Firearms thread police. Has a certain ring to it.
Actually, I think the Captain has taken over that position here... :whistle:
Nate
:D Thanks Nate. I've been studying them since I was a little kid, learning how Dad's Mausers were different by helping him strip them down.....
Maybe that old K98 is where you learned about clips?
:pok:
Post by: jerseydevil on June 30, 2016, 02:02:57 AM
Maybe, but let's face it, JD has forgotten more about weapon history and firearms than most of will ever know, put together.:facepalm: I can't believe I did that! I'm usually the first one to point that out! Sorry boys. :(
JD the MTO Firearms thread police. Has a certain ring to it.
Actually, I think the Captain has taken over that position here... :whistle:
Nate
:D Thanks Nate. I've been studying them since I was a little kid, learning how Dad's Mausers were different by helping him strip them down.....
Maybe that old K98 is where you learned about clips?
:pok:
Technically those are actually known as chargers. ;) "Stripper clip" is the American common name for them but is wrong. Most likely I learned about clips from the Mannlicher-Carcano and the M1 Garand. Those are properly called clips. :)
Post by: Gareth on June 30, 2016, 02:28:19 AM
Post by: jerseydevil on June 30, 2016, 02:52:02 AM
A clip holds the rounds inside it and is inserted into the action en bloc. The clip remains in the magazine and rounds are fed out of it. When the last round is chambered, the clip is either ejected from the action (Garand) or is pushed out the bottom by the next inserted clip (Mannlicher).
Hope that helps. :)
Post by: Gareth on June 30, 2016, 02:54:56 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 30, 2016, 04:28:34 AM
Maybe, but let's face it, JD has forgotten more about weapon history and firearms than most of will ever know, put together.:facepalm: I can't believe I did that! I'm usually the first one to point that out! Sorry boys. :(
JD the MTO Firearms thread police. Has a certain ring to it.
Actually, I think the Captain has taken over that position here... :whistle:
Nate
:D Thanks Nate. I've been studying them since I was a little kid, learning how Dad's Mausers were different by helping him strip them down.....
Maybe that old K98 is where you learned about clips?
:pok:
Technically those are actually known as chargers. ;) "Stripper clip" is the American common name for them but is wrong. Most likely I learned about clips from the Mannlicher-Carcano and the M1 Garand. Those are properly called clips. :)
I know, threw you a underhand pitch.
This is the JD we all know.
Post by: jerseydevil on June 30, 2016, 05:04:06 AM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 30, 2016, 05:11:51 AM
:D redemption!
Lol.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on June 30, 2016, 10:23:16 PM
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160630_161744_193_2.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160630_161744_193_2.jpg.html)
Post by: raistlin65 on June 30, 2016, 10:44:38 PM
Hickok45 sold me on the Walther PPQ 45:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqQed5169zw
Picking it up this week.
In the immortal words of Paul Harvey, now for the rest of the story. (you might have to be a middle aged or older to get this reference ;) )
I actually ordered this about three weeks ago. My FFL is a retired LEO who lives about mile or so away and has his FFL just to make a little bit extra cash to support his hobby in his retirement. Much better price on the transfer fee, super convenient, and a great guy. Usually we chat for 15 or 20 minutes every time I do a transfer with him. Kinda like hanging out with all the good people on this forum :)
When I emailed him to ask if he was around to do the transfer, he said yes and to go ahead and place the order. Then he let me know that he was in the hospital overnight having tests for chest pains (everything turned out OK there). We were chatting back and forth by email since he was stuck in the hospital. I told him he ought to watch that Hickok45 video, and he told me the Internet nanny software in the hospital blocked everything to do with handguns. Had a laugh over that, and since I know he likes 45s, and figured I could cheer him up a little, I told him "Well, since you can't watch the video, when the PPQ 45 comes in, I'll come get the registration paper work and you keep it for a couple of weeks and test it first since I'm going out of town." I've been to his house, seen it, and completed the registration paperwork, but he's had it since.
He finally made it to the range yesterday. He just emailed me and said, "That baby is a tack driver. I don't think I have ever shot a grouping as tight as that at 25 yards. I have to get me one of those!" I'm afraid his wife will be upset with me since I just enabled him in finding a new handgun to purchase (lol).
Post by: SAK Guy on July 01, 2016, 03:06:05 AM
Don't think I ever posted my carry rig.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160630_161744_193_2.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20160630_161744_193_2.jpg.html)
Nice rig!! :2tu:
Post by: SAK Guy on July 01, 2016, 03:08:32 AM
Hickok45 sold me on the Walther PPQ 45:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqQed5169zw
Picking it up this week.
In the immortal words of Paul Harvey, now for the rest of the story. (you might have to be a middle aged or older to get this reference ;) )
I actually ordered this about three weeks ago. My FFL is a retired LEO who lives about mile or so away and has his FFL just to make a little bit extra cash to support his hobby in his retirement. Much better price on the transfer fee, super convenient, and a great guy. Usually we chat for 15 or 20 minutes every time I do a transfer with him. Kinda like hanging out with all the good people on this forum :)
When I emailed him to ask if he was around to do the transfer, he said yes and to go ahead and place the order. Then he let me know that he was in the hospital overnight having tests for chest pains (everything turned out OK there). We were chatting back and forth by email since he was stuck in the hospital. I told him he ought to watch that Hickok45 video, and he told me the Internet nanny software in the hospital blocked everything to do with handguns. Had a laugh over that, and since I know he likes 45s, and figured I could cheer him up a little, I told him "Well, since you can't watch the video, when the PPQ 45 comes in, I'll come get the registration paper work and you keep it for a couple of weeks and test it first since I'm going out of town." I've been to his house, seen it, and completed the registration paperwork, but he's had it since.
He finally made it to the range yesterday. He just emailed me and said, "That baby is a tack driver. I don't think I have ever shot a grouping as tight as that at 25 yards. I have to get me one of those!" I'm afraid his wife will be upset with me since I just enabled him in finding a new handgun to purchase (lol).
Can't wait to see pics and hear all about it!!!! :cheers:
Post by: ironraven on July 01, 2016, 03:20:15 AM
Post by: raistlin65 on July 01, 2016, 04:01:29 AM
Hickok45 sold me on the Walther PPQ 45:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqQed5169zw
Picking it up this week.
In the immortal words of Paul Harvey, now for the rest of the story. (you might have to be a middle aged or older to get this reference ;) )
I actually ordered this about three weeks ago. My FFL is a retired LEO who lives about mile or so away and has his FFL just to make a little bit extra cash to support his hobby in his retirement. Much better price on the transfer fee, super convenient, and a great guy. Usually we chat for 15 or 20 minutes every time I do a transfer with him. Kinda like hanging out with all the good people on this forum :)
When I emailed him to ask if he was around to do the transfer, he said yes and to go ahead and place the order. Then he let me know that he was in the hospital overnight having tests for chest pains (everything turned out OK there). We were chatting back and forth by email since he was stuck in the hospital. I told him he ought to watch that Hickok45 video, and he told me the Internet nanny software in the hospital blocked everything to do with handguns. Had a laugh over that, and since I know he likes 45s, and figured I could cheer him up a little, I told him "Well, since you can't watch the video, when the PPQ 45 comes in, I'll come get the registration paper work and you keep it for a couple of weeks and test it first since I'm going out of town." I've been to his house, seen it, and completed the registration paperwork, but he's had it since.
He finally made it to the range yesterday. He just emailed me and said, "That baby is a tack driver. I don't think I have ever shot a grouping as tight as that at 25 yards. I have to get me one of those!" I'm afraid his wife will be upset with me since I just enabled him in finding a new handgun to purchase (lol).
Can't wait to see pics and hear all about it!!!! :cheers:
There will be no target pictures of my lousy marksmanship (lol).
But I will share a picture of the PPQ 45 :)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 01, 2016, 04:56:43 AM
Harley, who's your kydex bender?
Raven Concealment.
Very well made.
Post by: Outback in Idaho on July 04, 2016, 07:32:13 PM
https://youtu.be/k3M46XVfVOU
Post by: SAK Guy on July 04, 2016, 07:51:31 PM
Old World Shotgun Slugs?
https://youtu.be/k3M46XVfVOU
Great Video!!!!
+ SWISS ARMY KNIFE SIGHTING!!!!!
:cheers:
Post by: Humppa on July 04, 2016, 09:05:05 PM
Well... I need your experiences guys. I´m a rifleshooter by passion. The round can´t be too hard for me and not kicking me around too much... I like .458 WinMag.
But I have no experience in short guns. Pistols and revolvers. I´d like to get myself a revolver next year. Just for target shooting at 25 metres it should be. No IPSC or 3gun or whatsoever. Caliber - .357 Mag (.38Spec.) it should be.
I read many magazines and articles. It should be a 6" barrel. So Ruger and S&W will come in mind. Also Colt, the Python is a classic - but since they ran out of business replacement parts will be hard to get. At least here in Germany. So no deal for me.
On that S&W the 686 or 586 seem to be great for this. But the Ruger GP100 also seems to fit. I´ve shot the 686 many times by a buddy of mine and I really like it. No chance to shoot the Ruger, yet.
What´s the big difference in Ruger vs. S&W?
And yes, the caliber .357 Mag would be nice. The ammunition is cheap to come by here. And you have thousands of handload parts around. so no big deal at all. Other calibers that are common are not so common here like .45Colt. Or even .44Mag will cost a bunch more. So the good ol' reliable .357Mag will make a good deal for me.
I´m not a fan of semi-auto pistols. So a revolver will be my way to go.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 04, 2016, 09:21:14 PM
I miss Barry from Iraqveteran8888. He was a great guy it seemed >:(
Well... I need your experiences guys. I´m a rifleshooter by passion. The round can´t be too hard for me and not kicking me around too much... I like .458 WinMag.
But I have no experience in short guns. Pistols and revolvers. I´d like to get myself a revolver next year. Just for target shooting at 25 metres it should be. No IPSC or 3gun or whatsoever. Caliber - .357 Mag (.38Spec.) it should be.
I read many magazines and articles. It should be a 6" barrel. So Ruger and S&W will come in mind. Also Colt, the Python is a classic - but since they ran out of business replacement parts will be hard to get. At least here in Germany. So no deal for me.
On that S&W the 686 or 586 seem to be great for this. But the Ruger GP100 also seems to fit. I´ve shot the 686 many times by a buddy of mine and I really like it. No chance to shoot the Ruger, yet.
What´s the big difference in Ruger vs. S&W?
And yes, the caliber .357 Mag would be nice. The ammunition is cheap to come by here. And you have thousands of handload parts around. so no big deal at all. Other calibers that are common are not so common here like .45Colt. Or even .44Mag will cost a bunch more. So the good ol' reliable .357Mag will make a good deal for me.
I´m not a fan of semi-auto pistols. So a revolver will be my way to go.
You can not go wrong with either the 686 or Ruger.
Both are built like a bank vault and will last for you and your grandkids many years.
Imo the big difference between the two is being able to find a knowledgeable gunsmith for the Smith would be a bit easier. Not to say there isn't some very good Ruger Smith's out there.
That said I am a Ruger fanboy so it is a easy choice for me.
Post by: Chako on July 04, 2016, 10:08:41 PM
This is what I found.
1. S&W has the better trigger feel. In my neck of the woods, S&W are more expensive than Rugers and Taurus.
2. Ruger has a slightly less quality feel to their triggers, but the build quality is right up there. In fact, Ruger is known for overbuilding their products which is also a good thing to be known for. The Rugers tend to be less expensive than S&W generally in my neck of the woods.
3. Taurus felt cheaper and also suffered from a less than stellar trigger. Taurus is a lot cheaper than Ruger and S&W here.
4. Charter Arms felt very much like Taurus.
This is just my thoughts on the various examples I was allowed to dry fire and hold at the local shop. I ended up buying a used S&W 586...but I would have been more than happy with a Ruger. The Taurus and Charter Arms just didn't feel as good as the others mentioned here. I must say, with that said, the extra round in the 7 shot Taurus revolver made my decision a little hard at the time. However, that smooth as butter trigger of the used S&W which was more expensive than the new Taurus, coupled with the lack of speed loaders that I could source locally for the Taurus decided it for me.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 04, 2016, 10:17:46 PM
I also forgot to add if you want a target only revolver in .38 /.357 you would be remiss to not include a Ruger New Vaquero as a possible option.
Over built, beautiful with a modern transfer bar so it can be carried with 6 rounds loaded. Trigger being single action only is pretty good right out of the box.
Post by: Outback in Idaho on July 04, 2016, 10:51:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-GKXD6M0Qw
Post by: ColoSwiss on July 05, 2016, 12:40:49 AM
Try and handle both.
S&W 617 .22LR
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 05, 2016, 01:06:59 AM
I'm a big fan of Smith & Wesson. Triggers are generally better than Ruger and I also prefer the way they handle. Rugers are solid as a tank, and can readily be disassembled for cleaning.
Try and handle both.
S&W 617 .22LR
Nice.
How much did you say you was selling it for?
Post by: ColoSwiss on July 05, 2016, 01:10:00 AM
I'm a big fan of Smith & Wesson. Triggers are generally better than Ruger and I also prefer the way they handle. Rugers are solid as a tank, and can readily be disassembled for cleaning.
Try and handle both.
S&W 617 .22LR
Nice.
How much did you say you was selling it for?
Ten quintillion dollars. Cash.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 05, 2016, 01:32:16 AM
I'm a big fan of Smith & Wesson. Triggers are generally better than Ruger and I also prefer the way they handle. Rugers are solid as a tank, and can readily be disassembled for cleaning.
Try and handle both.
S&W 617 .22LR
Nice.
How much did you say you was selling it for?
Ten quintillion dollars. Cash.
A bargain at twice the price.
I would counter with an offer of five dollars and a half eaten Snickers.
Post by: SAK Guy on July 05, 2016, 03:13:25 AM
I'm a big fan of Smith & Wesson. Triggers are generally better than Ruger and I also prefer the way they handle. Rugers are solid as a tank, and can readily be disassembled for cleaning.
Try and handle both.
S&W 617 .22LR
Nice.
How much did you say you was selling it for?
Ten quintillion dollars. Cash.
A bargain at twice the price.
I would counter with an offer of five dollars and a half eaten Snickers.
I predict you will remain "617-less".......
Post by: David on July 05, 2016, 05:20:40 AM
I'm a big fan of Smith & Wesson. Triggers are generally better than Ruger and I also prefer the way they handle. Rugers are solid as a tank, and can readily be disassembled for cleaning.
Try and handle both.
S&W 617 .22LR
Nice.
How much did you say you was selling it for?
Ten quintillion dollars. Cash.
A bargain at twice the price.
I would counter with an offer of five dollars and a half eaten Snickers.
I predict you will remain "617-less".......
:D
Post by: Alan K. on July 05, 2016, 07:20:49 AM
Ruger and Smith both make target models and factory custom shop variations such as Chako's 586 with the adjustable front sight which was made for silhouette shooting.
You will enjoy either company's product. I have owned both and still have my Ruger GP-100. The Smith & Wessons may have a better trigger feel right out of the box, but the Rugers are known for their durability and their triggers are just fine once you get used to them.
Post by: Chako on July 05, 2016, 03:33:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h27qVNUvaNk
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 05, 2016, 04:30:37 PM
I'll offer $10.00, and a whole snickers bar still in the wrapper. In fact, I'll make the snickers bar a jumbo!
You trying to horn in on my deal?
Ok you made me do this. Jumbo Snickers and pack of Ramen Noodles!
Post by: Humppa on July 05, 2016, 08:51:46 PM
I almost knew that wether the S&W or Ruger are similar. But I didn´t have the Taurus on the radar.
Maybe some guy at the shooting club could have such a gun, for trying it out. The Ruger would also be nice to try.
This will mean some more time on the range... :salute: :salute:
I´m almost looking forward on friday - when I will put my K98 back to duty after some time of resting... :ahhh
Post by: Alan K. on July 05, 2016, 11:58:48 PM
I'll offer $10.00, and a whole snickers bar still in the wrapper. In fact, I'll make the snickers bar a jumbo!
You trying to horn in on my deal?
Ok you made me do this. Jumbo Snickers and pack of Ramen Noodles!
Damn. I'm all out of Ramen Noodles. :(
Post by: Outback in Idaho on July 06, 2016, 07:33:55 AM
https://youtu.be/2dZLeEUE940
Post by: Humppa on July 07, 2016, 08:21:35 PM
I gonna bring my trusty K98 to duty. He´ll take his nice .54 muzzle loader to the range.
In some time I definitelly need to get my paws on a short Mosin Nagant. Nice firing guns... or a Lee Enfield Jungle Carbine or or or... :drool: :drool: :drool: Man, I´m a sucker for these old guns with full power rounds...
I don´t often get the chance to fire muzzle loader, as I don´t have the permission to own black powder, yet. But soon... and I´ve almost seen a nice Hawken Rifle at a gun store >:D >:D
My poor wallet ... and almost each of these beauties can be reason for divorcement... but I´ll risk it :facepalm:
Post by: Gareth on July 07, 2016, 08:58:23 PM
Just got a phone call of a friend of mine. We´ll meet tomorrow at our shooting club.
I gonna bring my trusty K98 to duty. He´ll take his nice .54 muzzle loader to the range.
In some time I definitelly need to get my paws on a short Mosin Nagant. Nice firing guns... or a Lee Enfield Jungle Carbine or or or... :drool: :drool: :drool: Man, I´m a sucker for these old guns with full power rounds...
I don´t often get the chance to fire muzzle loader, as I don´t have the permission to own black powder, yet. But soon... and I´ve almost seen a nice Hawken Rifle at a gun store >:D >:D
My poor wallet ... and almost each of these beauties can be reason for divorcement... but I´ll risk it :facepalm:
I've shot a bit of black powder over the years and it's definitely a discipline I could get into.
Post by: Outback in Idaho on July 16, 2016, 10:14:39 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on July 17, 2016, 04:12:06 AM
Post by: jerseydevil on July 17, 2016, 04:15:11 AM
Official member of PETA.
:D All animals are wonderful. Especially after a nice marinade, or in a crockpot..... :drool:
Post by: SAK Guy on July 17, 2016, 05:06:31 AM
Official member of PETA.
:D All animals are wonderful. Especially after a nice marinade, or in a crockpot..... :drool:
LOL, where is that like button!
Post by: SAK Guy on July 17, 2016, 05:11:38 AM
https://youtu.be/hnBWa_xJz6A
:cheers:
Post by: Chako on July 17, 2016, 01:21:15 PM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/IMG_1592smallA_zpsudddv5n1.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/IMG_1592smallA_zpsudddv5n1.jpg.html)
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Post by: Gareth on July 17, 2016, 01:26:59 PM
Post by: Chako on July 17, 2016, 01:33:30 PM
I was curious about felt recoil for various cartridges and came up with this. Thought I would share.
Pistols
http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_recoil_table.htm
Rifles
http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 17, 2016, 01:57:58 PM
That production company is very fond of pushing a certain agenda, and whether we agree or not, this is a discussion about firearms, not the laws, rules and agendas behind them.
This has been a great thread so far and I'd hate to see it locked.
Def
Post by: Outback in Idaho on July 17, 2016, 07:48:00 PM
Careful there.... those videos could start a political debate.
That production company is very fond of pushing a certain agenda, and whether we agree or not, this is a discussion about firearms, not the laws, rules and agendas behind them.
This has been a great thread so far and I'd hate to see it locked.
Def
Okay. Can't nix the video link from my end unfortunately. :surrender:
Post by: Chako on July 18, 2016, 01:09:40 AM
I think I need a lot more practice. We had a few first for me. First time I got to shoot at bowling pins. That was real fun. I can say that 357 magnums hit with authority, as there was no confusion on a direct hit, unlike a few shooters with their 9mm rounds. Once again, we had to shoot single handed weak and strong. I really need to practice this. I had no issues with my off hand. However, with my strong hand, I kept twisting my wrists, thus I shot a civilian twice (white target). :facepalm:
My loading is getting quite proficient however. I guess with only 6 rounds, I get a lot more practice. Still the only revolver shooter on the field locally.
Here is the first gallery, where stages 1 to 4 are located. First up was 3 targets with your weak hand. Nestled in between two was a white target that you aren't supposed to hit. The second stage consisted of the same but with the use of your strong hand. This was bad for me as I hit the white target twice while attempting to hit the correct target to the right of the white one. Got it on the third shot however...but I did accrue penalties.The third stage consisted of starting on a platform seated and shooting 8 paper targets through firing ports in a barrier once you get off the hotseat. The forth stage was very tricky as it was a shooting house set up with 16 targets all over the place. What makes this difficult is that you can't back track...so you have to get through and not miss a target. I missed one around a corner from the start position. I didn't even know to look around one of the barriers behind me at the start position. Many shooters missed more than the one however, so I do not feel all that bad about missing the one target here.
Here you can see stages 1 to 3. Tricky 4 was off to the left in the L of this gallery.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/DSCN0342small_zpsst1p402p.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/DSCN0342small_zpsst1p402p.jpg.html)
In the other gallery were stages 5 to 7. Stage 5 consisted of 3 paper targets and 3 bowling pins on the right and left side. Stage 6 consisted of shooting on a platform with partition, 6 paper targets and 2 steel plates. The plates have been my nemesis in prior competitions. I tend to miss those, but today, they both fell with one shot each. Stage 7 was tricky, much like stage 4. You start in the middle and must stay within an orange spray painted rectangle. There were 8 targets to hit, but some where hidden behind barrels. You had to shoot through firing ports in the partition...thus to hit all of the targets, you had to move left and right. I went to the far left and moved slowly right. I was able to hit all the hidden targets being methodical. Some guys missed a target or two on this one. It was challenging.
Here is a photo showing the second gallery with a fellow competitor, range officer, and score keepers.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/DSCN0339small_zpsl2xxolxu.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/DSCN0339small_zpsl2xxolxu.jpg.html)
Overall, great fun, Next IPSC competition is later next month. I hope to practice more with the revolver, I definitely need to practice weak and strong single hand shooting. :tu:
For the curious, one of our members owns the Harvey's restaurant in town, and donates a lot of advertisement materials once they aren't needed. Mind you, every time they use this material, I do get a little hungry. :rofl:
Plenty of Glocks, S&W M&P, and CZ models in evidence. A few folks shot 1911's but at this club, 45 ACP is not the round of choice as the vast majority like to use 9 mm and 40 mm. I am the only one shooting revolver and 357 magnums. I know of only one that shoots 10 mm and he uses a Bren Ten. One shooter uses a Heckler and Koch P7. That is a rather distinctive and interesting handgun.
Post by: rdub934 on July 18, 2016, 01:48:41 AM
BTW, I like the .357, as well. And it's always a lot of fun to shoot a good wheel gun. I have a S&W model 66-2 that my Grandmother used as her service pistol for many years.
Post by: Chako on July 18, 2016, 01:59:35 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on July 22, 2016, 11:08:45 PM
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a21887/us-navy-allies-frigate-fire-exercise/
Post by: jerseydevil on July 23, 2016, 03:25:55 AM
Post by: ironraven on July 25, 2016, 05:28:06 AM
My biggest grumble is the lower kit I got has the wrong size roll pin for the trigger gaurd. Made a staple for it with some stainless wire. It will work fine, just looks rather red neck.
Post by: Gareth on July 25, 2016, 11:36:22 AM
:D
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 25, 2016, 06:58:54 PM
Once again, we had to shoot single handed weak and strong. I really need to practice this. I had no issues with my off hand. However, with my strong hand, I kept twisting my wrists, thus I shot a civilian twice (white target). :facepalm:
Jealous in a big way. Way to busy right now to get any shooting games in.
Off or one hand shooting takes practice like you said but are you using the correct technique?
You have to go gangsta! Well not any where near full sideways but lean you hand and wrist in the direction of the center of your body by about 25 degrees. That help greatly with recoil control.
Post by: Pacu on July 27, 2016, 11:26:07 PM
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Generation 4 Glock 19
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Man, I love living in Texas. Thinking of a Marlin Model 60 SS next.
Remember, always stock up on beans and bullets!
Post by: Chako on July 28, 2016, 01:10:35 AM
I also keep getting a blood blister on my trigger finger at the top of the crease. I thought it was how I was holding the 586, but the last time I paid very special attention on where my trigger finger was in relation to the trigger. I still got one however. Thinking of wearing a patch at the location where the blister occurs. Any suggestions?
Nice Glock Pacu. :tu:
Post by: jerseydevil on July 28, 2016, 02:42:01 AM
Post by: Pacu on July 28, 2016, 03:22:41 AM
Post by: Gareth on July 28, 2016, 01:03:50 PM
Thanks Harley for the advice. I am going to try that next time I am at the range.
I also keep getting a blood blister on my trigger finger at the top of the crease. I thought it was how I was holding the 586, but the last time I paid very special attention on where my trigger finger was in relation to the trigger. I still got one however. Thinking of wearing a patch at the location where the blister occurs. Any suggestions?
Nice Glock Pacu. :tu:
That's not good. :( To me a blood blister suggests something is pinching pretty hard. I know Hickok45 wears a plaster (band-aid) on his trigger finger sometimes. Which part of your finger are you addressing the trigger with?
Post by: Chako on July 28, 2016, 02:33:51 PM
Post by: Pacu on July 28, 2016, 11:22:39 PM
My dad bought this in Hawaii back when he was stationed over there. I got it for Christmas when i was about 16 with a Ruger P85 9mm. Ruger Single Six .22lr with the exchangeable magnum cylinder.
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk74/leatherxman/Mobile%20Uploads/20160728_161831_zpsenuxance.jpg) (http://s277.photobucket.com/user/leatherxman/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160728_161831_zpsenuxance.jpg.html)
Post by: David on July 29, 2016, 03:31:19 AM
Post by: jerseydevil on July 29, 2016, 03:43:15 AM
Post by: ironraven on July 29, 2016, 03:58:37 AM
Come on Ironraven, you know you need to supply some pics mate. :pok:
After I get the rear sight installed and the whole thing test fired. It's pretty basic, just my take on a non-NFA MK18. EVERYONE is super excited to see it- it's just an 11.5" AR pistol. I'm building mine rather than buying becuase I can save a hundred buck and still get the 11.5" rather than the 10.5" barrel which will work better for the forearm I'm looking at down the road.
If you want the sexy stuff, look over on Weapon Evolution. They have pretty ladies there.
Post by: David on July 29, 2016, 04:05:16 AM
I want a Ruger No. 1 in 7x57mm Mauser with a full length Mannlicher stock. :dd: Also a left-handed Ruger M77 in .375 H&H. You know, just in case a Cape Buffalo comes storming down Broad St in Elizabeth NJ..... ;)
Those would be a couple good rifles Tom. I always thought having a 375 H&H was a needed part of any serious rifle collection. Having read many, many books on hunting in Africa and big game in general may have influenced that thinking. :D
Speaking of cape buffalo wasnt it Robert Ruark who said cape buffalo look at you like you owe them money. :D
Post by: jerseydevil on July 29, 2016, 04:53:48 AM
I want a Ruger No. 1 in 7x57mm Mauser with a full length Mannlicher stock. :dd: Also a left-handed Ruger M77 in .375 H&H. You know, just in case a Cape Buffalo comes storming down Broad St in Elizabeth NJ..... ;)
Those would be a couple good rifles Tom. I always thought having a 375 H&H was a needed part of any serious rifle collection. Having read many, many books on hunting in Africa and big game in general may have influenced that thinking. :D
Speaking of cape buffalo wasnt it Robert Ruark who said cape buffalo look at you like you owe them money. :D
:D I love reading stories of safaris. Actually that combo would be almost perfect for Africa. The 7x57 is one of the best all-around small-bore cartridges ever devised. How good? US manufacturers still chamber it 123 years after it was designed. It would be perfect for Plains game. :tu: The .375 is a great cartridge for anything on this planet looking to eat or trample you. :)
Post by: Outback in Idaho on July 29, 2016, 06:10:12 AM
https://youtu.be/KWs7-5In_tM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 29, 2016, 05:50:37 PM
Thanks Harley for the advice. I am going to try that next time I am at the range.
I also keep getting a blood blister on my trigger finger at the top of the crease. I thought it was how I was holding the 586, but the last time I paid very special attention on where my trigger finger was in relation to the trigger. I still got one however. Thinking of wearing a patch at the location where the blister occurs. Any suggestions?
Nice Glock Pacu. :tu:
Is it pinching you or just a irritation from repeated trigger pulls?
Pinching will have to be sorted with a different grip and/or trigger finger placement.
A callus will eventually form and sort it self out if it is just irritation. Assuming you are willing to wait.
The double action triggers on Smith revolvers can be pretty heavy. Have you thought about a trigger job or at least a spring kit? Might help your blister issue and will improve your accuracy and translation times for sure.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 29, 2016, 06:03:45 PM
Come on Ironraven, you know you need to supply some pics mate. :pok:
After I get the rear sight installed and the whole thing test fired. It's pretty basic, just my take on a non-NFA MK18. EVERYONE is super excited to see it- it's just an 11.5" AR pistol. I'm building mine rather than buying becuase I can save a hundred buck and still get the 11.5" rather than the 10.5" barrel which will work better for the forearm I'm looking at down the road.
If you want the sexy stuff, look over on Weapon Evolution. They have pretty ladies there.
Did some one say SBR?
Here is my SEAL loaner that I carried my last Afghanistan deployment.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/spforumpost.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/spforumpost.jpg.html)
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 29, 2016, 06:08:01 PM
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Post by: Gareth on July 29, 2016, 07:01:45 PM
What do we have here?
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A new flashlight?
:whistle:
Post by: Chako on July 29, 2016, 08:04:30 PM
The trigger is sweet as the previous owner did a really nice trigger job on it.
I have tried different finger placements to no avail. I think when I pull the trigger, my finger is rubbing somewhere. I will have to figure this out, or wear a band aid at the spot.
Gee Harley, looks like the military gets to play with all the fun toys. :D
Post by: David on July 29, 2016, 09:34:14 PM
Post by: Pacu on July 29, 2016, 09:45:18 PM
AK47s were 200 bucks
SKS were 80 bucks
Norinco 1911s were 200 bucks
FN/FALs were plenty
Galils were cheapish
:dd: :dd: :dd:
Post by: David on July 29, 2016, 09:53:00 PM
Remember the good ole days when :
AK47s were 200 bucks
SKS were 80 bucks
Norinco 1911s were 200 bucks
FN/FALs were plenty
Galils were cheapish
:dd: :dd: :dd:
Yes, I remember the good ole days! :D
Post by: Chako on July 29, 2016, 09:56:06 PM
I get a flyer from a hardware shop across the river on the Michigan side. If I had those kinds of prices on this side, I would have a whole lot more ammo and things that go bang. :ahhh
Post by: jerseydevil on July 30, 2016, 12:25:28 AM
Remember the good ole days when :
AK47s were 200 bucks
SKS were 80 bucks
Norinco 1911s were 200 bucks
FN/FALs were plenty
Galils were cheapish
:dd: :dd: :dd:
My father's first rifle he purchased, a Spanish Mauser (now mine) cost him $15. :ahhh........
Post by: Pacu on July 30, 2016, 03:58:03 AM
Post by: strmliner on July 30, 2016, 05:54:51 PM
How about some Rugerness?
My dad bought this in Hawaii back when he was stationed over there. I got it for Christmas when i was about 16 with a Ruger P85 9mm. Ruger Single Six .22lr with the exchangeable magnum cylinder.
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk74/leatherxman/Mobile%20Uploads/20160728_161831_zpsenuxance.jpg) (http://s277.photobucket.com/user/leatherxman/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160728_161831_zpsenuxance.jpg.html)
We had one of those when I was a teenager...I always liked that gun! :cheers:
Post by: SAK Guy on July 31, 2016, 02:25:23 AM
Remember the good ole days when :
AK47s were 200 bucks
SKS were 80 bucks
Norinco 1911s were 200 bucks
FN/FALs were plenty
Galils were cheapish
:dd: :dd: :dd:
I remember those days, my gunshop was offered a deal from a big wholesaler on a crate (4 rifles) of Maadi AKMs for 550.00. Why didn't I buy a couple of crates for an investment!!!!! :facepalm:
Post by: SAK Guy on July 31, 2016, 02:27:01 AM
How about some Rugerness?
My dad bought this in Hawaii back when he was stationed over there. I got it for Christmas when i was about 16 with a Ruger P85 9mm. Ruger Single Six .22lr with the exchangeable magnum cylinder.
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk74/leatherxman/Mobile%20Uploads/20160728_161831_zpsenuxance.jpg) (http://s277.photobucket.com/user/leatherxman/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160728_161831_zpsenuxance.jpg.html)
We had one of those when I was a teenager...I always liked that gun! :cheers:
+1!!!! We still have ours but they have longer barrels! I want a 45LC/ACP convertible in stainless.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 31, 2016, 02:30:01 AM
Remember the good ole days when :
AK47s were 200 bucks
SKS were 80 bucks
Norinco 1911s were 200 bucks
FN/FALs were plenty
Galils were cheapish
:dd: :dd: :dd:
I remember those days, my gunshop was offered a deal from a big wholesaler on a crate (4 rifles) of Maadi AKMs for 550.00. Why didn't I buy a couple of crates for an investment!!!!! :facepalm:
If I only knew then what I do now.
Post by: SAK Guy on July 31, 2016, 02:43:33 AM
I am thinking that my finger is rubbing on the underside of the gun when the trigger is fully pressed. I guess I will just have to take my time and see exactly what the issue is. Of course, the worse time to do that is during an exciting IPSC competition. :rofl:
I get a flyer from a hardware shop across the river on the Michigan side. If I had those kinds of prices on this side, I would have a whole lot more ammo and things that go bang. :ahhh
Chako, are you sure your trigger finger isn't slipping up during recoil and getting pinched in the trigger recess area shown? I have had several revolvers in the past where I had to stone those edges because they were very sharp. My last Single Six was like a cheese grater it was so sharp. I'm obsessive about sharp edges on firearms. :D
Post by: Chako on July 31, 2016, 02:51:24 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on July 31, 2016, 02:54:32 AM
Hmmm what's in the box?
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk74/leatherxman/Mobile%20Uploads/20160727_161712_zpsg146ewf3.jpg) (http://s277.photobucket.com/user/leatherxman/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160727_161712_zpsg146ewf3.jpg.html)
Generation 4 Glock 19
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk74/leatherxman/Mobile%20Uploads/20160727_161950_zpsvj9hqmee.jpg) (http://s277.photobucket.com/user/leatherxman/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160727_161950_zpsvj9hqmee.jpg.html)
Man, I love living in Texas. Thinking of a Marlin Model 60 SS next.
Remember, always stock up on beans and bullets!
Awesome!!!! :cheers:
Post by: SAK Guy on July 31, 2016, 02:57:33 AM
That is a very good possibility. Thanks for the heads up, I am going to pay special attention to that next time I take it out to the range. :tu:
:cheers: Good luck bud!!!
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 31, 2016, 04:29:04 AM
I am thinking that my finger is rubbing on the underside of the gun when the trigger is fully pressed. I guess I will just have to take my time and see exactly what the issue is. Of course, the worse time to do that is during an exciting IPSC competition. :rofl:
I get a flyer from a hardware shop across the river on the Michigan side. If I had those kinds of prices on this side, I would have a whole lot more ammo and things that go bang. :ahhh
Chako, are you sure your trigger finger isn't slipping up during recoil and getting pinched in the trigger recess area shown? I have had several revolvers in the past where I had to stone those edges because they were very sharp. My last Single Six was like a cheese grater it was so sharp. I'm obsessive about sharp edges on firearms. :D
Just send them all to me SG. I will shoot them and make sure there are no issues for you.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 31, 2016, 04:30:18 AM
Gee Harley, looks like the military gets to play with all the fun toys. :D
Only feels like play until the targets start shooting back.
They are pretty fun though. Here is a picture of me shooting one of my favorites.
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/HarleyXJGuy/Knives/Knives%202/ready.jpg) (http://s70.photobucket.com/user/HarleyXJGuy/media/Knives/Knives%202/ready.jpg.html)
Light recoil, suppressed semi automatic sniper rifle. Good stuff.
Post by: ironraven on July 31, 2016, 08:28:16 PM
Post by: Outback in Idaho on August 01, 2016, 11:40:54 PM
https://youtu.be/jIx5aJVzItE
Post by: Pacu on August 02, 2016, 12:11:32 AM
So far 2x all weather Ruger 10/22s and a Ruger single six. Looks like the Marlin 15 shot model 60 in stainless will be a solid choice as will a Ruger mk 2 or 3 maybe in blued bull barrel.
Post by: captain spaulding on August 02, 2016, 12:32:41 AM
I'm trying to build a solid platform of firearms based on .22lr.
So far 2x all weather Ruger 10/22s and a Ruger single six. Looks like the Marlin 15 shot model 60 in stainless will be a solid choice as will a Ruger mk 2 or 3 maybe in blued bull barrel.
Any of the Ruger MK series is a excellent choice.
Post by: NutSAK on August 02, 2016, 02:02:07 AM
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8672/28631078641_db0c834bca_k.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8830/28676451616_b51656375f_k.jpg)
I usually carry the 442 in the summer, and save the 26 for winter when I have an easier time concealing it. In other words, I can more accurately defend myself in winter. ;)
Post by: jerseydevil on August 02, 2016, 02:08:44 AM
Post by: David on August 02, 2016, 02:42:46 AM
Post by: NutSAK on August 02, 2016, 03:44:56 AM
I need to lose a little weight around the middle so I can carry my 26 more often. It's a sweet little gun--not that the 442 isn't, but it requires much more practice to be proficient.
BTW, Don Hume makes a fine IWB holster, IMO.
Post by: SAK Guy on August 02, 2016, 07:01:01 PM
I am thinking that my finger is rubbing on the underside of the gun when the trigger is fully pressed. I guess I will just have to take my time and see exactly what the issue is. Of course, the worse time to do that is during an exciting IPSC competition. :rofl:
I get a flyer from a hardware shop across the river on the Michigan side. If I had those kinds of prices on this side, I would have a whole lot more ammo and things that go bang. :ahhh
Chako, are you sure your trigger finger isn't slipping up during recoil and getting pinched in the trigger recess area shown? I have had several revolvers in the past where I had to stone those edges because they were very sharp. My last Single Six was like a cheese grater it was so sharp. I'm obsessive about sharp edges on firearms. :D
Just send them all to me SG. I will shoot them and make sure there are no issues for you.
:rofl:
Post by: SAK Guy on August 02, 2016, 07:03:26 PM
Couple nice ones Terry!
+1!!!
Post by: captain spaulding on August 02, 2016, 09:09:57 PM
My favorite carry guns:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8672/28631078641_db0c834bca_k.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8830/28676451616_b51656375f_k.jpg)
I usually carry the 442 in the summer, and save the 26 for winter when I have an easier time concealing it. In other words, I can more accurately defend myself in winter. ;)
Sweet! I have both as well. :tu: My Airweight has the exposed hammer and is SS.
I used to have 33 round mags for my G26 if you can imagine that. Looks ridiculous. :D
Post by: captain spaulding on August 02, 2016, 09:12:08 PM
(Mines a Gen3)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/fb/22/7e/fb227e8218d3af40dea1d040f8b343d9.jpg)
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/367113807096517702/
Post by: NutSAK on August 02, 2016, 10:46:47 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on August 02, 2016, 10:52:10 PM
Yeah, I have one of those too. I carry Glock 19 mags in my BOB and use them with the 26 on occasion. They're actually fairly comfortable to use, and balance a little better than the 33-roudner. :P
Yea the standard 17 round G19 mags are nice in the G26. :tu:
Post by: NutSAK on August 02, 2016, 11:20:23 PM
Post by: Chako on August 03, 2016, 02:05:07 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on August 03, 2016, 03:26:24 AM
...and in Canada, you would have to pin them at 10 rounds max. :cry:
Same for CA.
Post by: NutSAK on August 03, 2016, 03:57:40 AM
Post by: Pacu on August 04, 2016, 06:40:18 PM
Post by: Humppa on August 08, 2016, 01:04:26 PM
Excuse the stupid question - but I found a video on YT that is interessting at least to me - here´s the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdbIE8w2JbU
From the comments this kind of gun seems to be rather unique in the US. It is a combined rifle/shotgun. Here in german space such a gun would be called a Bockbüchsflinte. As it has rifled barreled and above a shotgun barrel. These are very common here and wellknown at hunters. I´m just curious if this kind of firearm is really such unique in the US?
I mean the gun shown here can be bought for about 300.00 € used. For sure not with steel shot, but lead shot. But every gun store has these lying around and mostly hunters like 'em due to their variation of caliber, wether bullet or shot.
If the barrels are above it would be called Bockbüchsflinte and if it would be side-by-side it would be called a Büchsflinte - just FYI.
It would be interessting to know.
Post by: ColoSwiss on August 08, 2016, 09:55:28 PM
Post by: Humppa on August 12, 2016, 03:09:04 PM
Well, I´ll go off shooting a couple of minutes. Gonna shoot the Cbrojovka Brno Semi Auto rifle in .22lr - made in the Eastern block in the 70s in Czechoslovakia - maybe it is readable on the reciever. (with one of its friends)
(http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t489/kampfgockel2/IMG_5251_zpscaa90w4x.jpg) (http://s1062.photobucket.com/user/kampfgockel2/media/IMG_5251_zpscaa90w4x.jpg.html)
Brno is making mighty fine guns. Very popular among hunters here. Especially their bolt action rifles. But my .22lr. is mighty nice. It has not even one piece of plastic built into the whole gun. Everything is fine steel. Love that gun.
Im looking forward shooting it again.
Post by: jerseydevil on August 12, 2016, 03:12:00 PM
Post by: Chako on August 12, 2016, 03:44:38 PM
I fell in love with the Savage. Such a quiet and sweet shooting rifle. I do not have a scope on it yet, and am wondering if I should just leave it that way. The Savage appears to shoot nicer than the Ruger for half the price.
Post by: Outback in Idaho on August 17, 2016, 06:29:46 AM
https://youtu.be/hEH0RIRMVmk
Post by: ColoSwiss on August 27, 2016, 11:46:46 PM
Post by: Chako on August 29, 2016, 11:14:38 PM
Here I am getting ready to fire it. Got most of my 8 round magazines loaded and ready to go. Those bottom 5 magazines are 7 rounders.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/DSCN0691small_zpskz6voosq.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/DSCN0691small_zpskz6voosq.jpg.html)
I have been EDCing a Leatherman Wave which I bought used at the local pawn shop. I have no qualms about using this one rough if need be. So far, it has been an excellent belt companion. Not my Norinco gets a dirty nose whenever I shoot lead downrange.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/DSCN0694small_zps8j8mlo3h.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/DSCN0694small_zps8j8mlo3h.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/DSCN0696small_zpsheiimpxi.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/DSCN0696small_zpsheiimpxi.jpg.html)
See what I mean. At least it cleans up nicely with a little TLC afterwards.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/DSCN0699small_zpssuei6fqi.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/DSCN0699small_zpssuei6fqi.jpg.html)
Here is my IPSC duty belt for the Norinco 1911A1. An older style Uncle Mike with padding (Just fits me better), along with a BlackHawk Serpa II duty holster, and 3 BlackHawk dual single stack magazine cases.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/DSCN0700small_zpslopn0maj.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/DSCN0700small_zpslopn0maj.jpg.html)
And some of my targets. At first I was shooting low, but quickly figured out what I was doing wrong. It didn't take long for me and the 1911A1 to get reacquainted. I was able to hit a few rocks 70 meters away at the end of the berm. The 1911 platform is such a natural pointer. It just feels good to use.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/DSCN0701small_zpswf9ljdzr.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/DSCN0701small_zpswf9ljdzr.jpg.html)
Post by: Chako on September 12, 2016, 01:28:17 AM
I did miss one of the metal targets. I think I hit the wooden frame around the metal round, and saw it wobble. I was sure I saw the plate fall down, but it didn't. It blended so well with the back berm and hidden in shadows, I think I saw the barrel flash, saw the metal round wobble, and moved on thinking I saw it fall down. I also made my first procedural error today. We were told to shoot 7 targets within the blue barreled area. I misinterpreted the information and shot the seventh out of the designated area. Still had great fun. I am thankful I now have 12 speed-loaders. I am now able to shoot 3 stages without having to re-load. A great time saver that, and it allows me to have more fun out on the field of fire. Today, was also the first time I used a shotgun pouch. Wow, what a great way to store extra speed loaders and stuff. I can't use it during a competition stage...but we have time in between stages to replenish our stocks. That shotgun pouch is far better than my jean front pockets. I am very happy with that last bit of kit. I do think I need not add anything else to my revolver set up. :tu:
Post by: NutSAK on September 12, 2016, 01:53:23 AM
I taped my trigger finger and that helped a lot. No blood blister just behind my first trigger finger crease. Still not sure where the finger is rubbing, but I strongly suspect it is happening when the trigger is fully depressed.
:think: Are you using the tip of your finger on the trigger? I don't see how this could be happening if you are. The crease and anything behind really shouldn't be touching anything.
Post by: Chako on September 12, 2016, 01:56:53 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on September 29, 2016, 04:45:20 AM
A good buddy of mine called and invited me for a few hours of shooting. I brought my Norinco 1911A1 in 45 ACP...seeing that I haven't shot it in some time. I was using it as my IPSC platform last year until I had the front sight fly off never to be seen again. It took a while to get a replacement, and got this one properly fitted through the local gun smith. I then found I liked 357 magnum revolvers which is my current IPSC platform. Nevertheless, I still have my Norinco which I really like. I have around 13 magazines for it. 5-7 rounders, 7 -8 rounders, and 1-10 round magazine for it.
Here I am getting ready to fire it. Got most of my 8 round magazines loaded and ready to go. Those bottom 5 magazines are 7 rounders.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/DSCN0691small_zpskz6voosq.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/DSCN0691small_zpskz6voosq.jpg.html)
I have been EDCing a Leatherman Wave which I bought used at the local pawn shop. I have no qualms about using this one rough if need be. So far, it has been an excellent belt companion. Not my Norinco gets a dirty nose whenever I shoot lead downrange.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/DSCN0694small_zps8j8mlo3h.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/DSCN0694small_zps8j8mlo3h.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/DSCN0696small_zpsheiimpxi.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/DSCN0696small_zpsheiimpxi.jpg.html)
See what I mean. At least it cleans up nicely with a little TLC afterwards.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/DSCN0699small_zpssuei6fqi.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/DSCN0699small_zpssuei6fqi.jpg.html)
Here is my IPSC duty belt for the Norinco 1911A1. An older style Uncle Mike with padding (Just fits me better), along with a BlackHawk Serpa II duty holster, and 3 BlackHawk dual single stack magazine cases.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/DSCN0700small_zpslopn0maj.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/DSCN0700small_zpslopn0maj.jpg.html)
And some of my targets. At first I was shooting low, but quickly figured out what I was doing wrong. It didn't take long for me and the 1911A1 to get reacquainted. I was able to hit a few rocks 70 meters away at the end of the berm. The 1911 platform is such a natural pointer. It just feels good to use.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/DSCN0701small_zpswf9ljdzr.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/DSCN0701small_zpswf9ljdzr.jpg.html)
:like: :like:
Post by: jerseydevil on September 29, 2016, 05:31:09 AM
Me on a 3" antiaircraft gun. :)
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/20160912_163721_zpsn2b2kvqa.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/20160912_163721_zpsn2b2kvqa.jpg.html)
8" Coast Defense gun.
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/20160912_164440_zps5zd6ievg.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/20160912_164440_zps5zd6ievg.jpg.html)
And last but CERTAINLY not least, a 16"!! :ahhh
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/20160912_164702_zpsaup9de68.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/20160912_164702_zpsaup9de68.jpg.html)
This particular gun is a 16"/50 naval rifle from the USS Missouri. This gun was the center gun in Turret 1 when the Japanese surrendered aboard Missouri. The plan at the museum is to mount it in a casemate like the original 16" guns at the fort were. Very cool stuff!
Post by: Gareth on September 29, 2016, 09:15:38 AM
Cool pics mate. 8)
Post by: ColoSwiss on September 30, 2016, 12:09:27 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on October 05, 2016, 05:45:31 PM
That's one very impressive gun! :ahhh
Cool pics mate. 8)
+1!!!
Post by: SAK Guy on October 05, 2016, 06:40:09 PM
Chip McCormick Blackened SS Power Mags-8rd. I usually use the Chip McCormick Shooting Stars and they are fantastic mags but since I tend to leave them loaded for years and years...and years, decided to try some with better springs. Will eventually swap all my "ready" mags for these. I even like the bumper pads.....which surprises me a little... :facepalm: Also bought a few parts (recoil spings and plugs, a barrel bushing etc. Bought a couple of WWII 1911 field take down tools too because I wanted something simple in my bag that could push pins.
Post by: SAK Guy on October 07, 2016, 05:35:00 AM
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2016/10/5/the-keefe-report-marine-raiders-throw-45-overboard/
Post by: David on October 07, 2016, 08:05:53 AM
:facepalm: How did I forget to post these? These are some of the guns on display at Fort Miles, DE. This fort was directly across from Cape May NJ, and defended the entrance to Delaware Bay. The casemates were not open by the time I got there, but still.....
Me on a 3" antiaircraft gun. :)
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/20160912_163721_zpsn2b2kvqa.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/20160912_163721_zpsn2b2kvqa.jpg.html)
8" Coast Defense gun.
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/20160912_164440_zps5zd6ievg.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/20160912_164440_zps5zd6ievg.jpg.html)
And last but CERTAINLY not least, a 16"!! :ahhh
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/20160912_164702_zpsaup9de68.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/20160912_164702_zpsaup9de68.jpg.html)
This particular gun is a 16"/50 naval rifle from the USS Missouri. This gun was the center gun in Turret 1 when the Japanese surrendered aboard Missouri. The plan at the museum is to mount it in a casemate like the original 16" guns at the fort were. Very cool stuff!
:like:
Post by: David on October 07, 2016, 08:08:05 AM
Another victim of standardization? :facepalm:
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2016/10/5/the-keefe-report-marine-raiders-throw-45-overboard/
Bummer.
Post by: David on October 07, 2016, 08:21:38 AM
Well, Hell's frozen over... I finally broke down and bought a couple of new fangled mags for my pistol. :ahhh
Chip McCormick Blackened SS Power Mags-8rd. I usually use the Chip McCormick Shooting Stars and they are fantastic mags but since I tend to leave them loaded for years and years...and years, decided to try some with better springs. Will eventually swap all my "ready" mags for these. I even like the bumper pads.....which surprises me a little... :facepalm: Also bought a few parts (recoil spings and plugs, a barrel bushing etc. Bought a couple of WWII 1911 field take down tools too because I wanted something simple in my bag that could push pins.
I just got the regular Power Mag SG. Yours look 8)! :D
Post by: SAK Guy on October 07, 2016, 02:59:59 PM
Well, Hell's frozen over... I finally broke down and bought a couple of new fangled mags for my pistol. :ahhh
Chip McCormick Blackened SS Power Mags-8rd. I usually use the Chip McCormick Shooting Stars and they are fantastic mags but since I tend to leave them loaded for years and years...and years, decided to try some with better springs. Will eventually swap all my "ready" mags for these. I even like the bumper pads.....which surprises me a little... :facepalm: Also bought a few parts (recoil spings and plugs, a barrel bushing etc. Bought a couple of WWII 1911 field take down tools too because I wanted something simple in my bag that could push pins.
I just got the regular Power Mag SG. Yours look 8)! :D
Thx!!! I nearly bought the reg ones (and still might) but found the BO ones for 26 bucks ea and went with them. The BO's were coated in grease so tough that I had to clean them with alcohol which was a lot different that the reg Shooting Stars which were virtually clean right out of the bag. Considered the Wilson's as well but they were more money and in my research, couldn't see any difference in performance.
This article won me over...
http://www.10-8performance.com/1911-magazines/
Post by: SAK Guy on October 07, 2016, 03:55:50 PM
Another victim of standardization? :facepalm:
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2016/10/5/the-keefe-report-marine-raiders-throw-45-overboard/
Bummer.
Was reading this article:
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/02/19/marines-allow-operators-to-choose-glocks-over-marsoc-45.html
...and it strikes me as odd that the Marine "experts" sourced all had negative comments on the 1911 which was the chosen as a result of an "exhaustive " pistol trial in 2012. Stuff like...
"The design is still popular, but it's also heavy, prone to malfunction and limited to seven or eight-round magazines, pistols experts have said."
"But military pistol experts maintain that the 1911 design, while extremely accurate, requires more training and care than other modern tactical pistols."
"Young operators have had trouble with the 1911's beavertail grip safety, according to one former Marine weapons instructor who trained MARSOC members."
"Many shooters wearing gloves tend to grip the 1911 too high and do not properly disengage the beavertail grip safety, so the pistol won't fire, he said. A lot of professional shooters who run custom 1911s will disable that beavertail grip safety to avoid this problem, he added."
"The 1911 design is also known for feed-way stoppages, a malfunction caused when a round gets stuck feeding into the chamber, experts said. Horizontal and vertical stovepipes – types of malfunctions that occur when an empty shell casing gets caught in the ejection port – are also a problem with the 1911 design."
Wasn't all this addressed in 2012 and all the preceding years (from the mid 1990's) that they used the same design? Sounds like Monday morning quarterbacking to justify the switch to a caliber that the rest of the Marine Corps uses.
Everybody knows Glocks are great but why did they have pull out tired old arguments to run down a great, timeless American design in order to justify their standardization on pistols and calibers. :facepalm:
IMO of course.
Rant off.....
Post by: NutSAK on October 07, 2016, 05:01:52 PM
Everybody knows Glocks are great but why did they have pull out tired old arguments to run down a great, timeless American design in order to justify their standardization on pistols and calibers. :facepalm:
IMO of course.
Rant off.....
As a 1911 and Glock owner, my opinion is different. I agree with many of their arguments about the 1911 and, though it is a great design, I wouldn't call it "timeless". There are modern designs that have proven simpler in operation, manufacture and are more reliable.
However, I agree with you that those arguments should not be used solely for standardization, if that's what they're doing.
Post by: jerseydevil on October 07, 2016, 05:19:50 PM
Post by: NutSAK on October 07, 2016, 05:53:32 PM
Many of the M1911's "issues" have to do with tuning and tightening the action. It's a combat pistol at its core, not a match one. Pick up a GI spec M1911a1 and shake it. It'll rattle. Those loose tolerences are intentionally built into the weapon to keep it running while dirty in combat conditions......
Absolutely. That goes for any firearm. Put a round in the chamber of a Glock 19 and see how tight it fits. Regardless of how tight it is, I personally have not experienced any 1911 that was on the order of reliability of a Glock. Has there been a lot of tightening of the action in military issue 1911s that would cause them to have these complaints?
Tightening can be done to an extent and maintain reliability. Compare a Glock to a Springfield XD-M.
Post by: SAK Guy on October 07, 2016, 06:12:07 PM
Everybody knows Glocks are great but why did they have pull out tired old arguments to run down a great, timeless American design in order to justify their standardization on pistols and calibers. :facepalm:
IMO of course.
Rant off.....
As a 1911 and Glock owner, my opinion is different. I agree with many of their arguments about the 1911 and, though it is a great design, I wouldn't call it "timeless". There are many modern designs that have proven simpler in operation, manufacture and are more reliable.
However, I agree with you that those arguments should not be used solely for standardization, if that's what they're doing.
I understand completely Terry. :cheers: Glocks are fantastic and probably exactly what any modern military needs but why, if 1911's were so flawed, didn't they address it back in 2012? I think the 1911's were just fine so they wanted another one but now in a time of continuing shrinking budgets, the pressure to standardize is even greater. Different caliber, different mags and holsters, different training for two completely differently operational designs etc. The 19's were proven, cheaper, held more rounds already in use, was already green lighted for MARSOC optional carry and in federal pipeline for use by other SF groups. I think someone way up high looked at the numbers, said "standardize" and make it look like we weren't complete idiots back in 2012.... What I'm miffed about is them blaming the design that they wanted, used since the 1990's, and replaced with a "better" model but now it's total crap. In 40 + years of travel/carry, recreational use/competition, I can count 1911 stoppages on one hand and all were due to either poor quality handloads, worn out WWII mags or repairs/mods made by previous owners. But I've only shot 25,000 rounds or so through them.
And an essentially unchanged design from 1906 fits the "timeless" descriptor in my short sighted, highly biased, crotchety old book of adjectives! :rofl:
Post by: MadPlumbarian on October 07, 2016, 06:16:58 PM
There's not much that can be done to a glock, I mean taking it apart and there's only a few parts like the spring and release pin, which can be replaced if changing over to a laser.Many of the M1911's "issues" have to do with tuning and tightening the action. It's a combat pistol at its core, not a match one. Pick up a GI spec M1911a1 and shake it. It'll rattle. Those loose tolerences are intentionally built into the weapon to keep it running while dirty in combat conditions......
Absolutely. That goes for any firearm. Put a round in the chamber of a Glock 19 and see how tight it fits. Regardless of how tight it is, I personally have not experienced any 1911 that was on the order of reliability of a Glock. Has there been a lot of tightening of the action in military issue 1911s that would cause them to have these complaints?
Tightening can be done to an extent and maintain reliability. Compare a Glock to a Springfield XD-M.
JR
Post by: SAK Guy on October 07, 2016, 06:19:19 PM
Many of the M1911's "issues" have to do with tuning and tightening the action. It's a combat pistol at its core, not a match one. Pick up a GI spec M1911a1 and shake it. It'll rattle. Those loose tolerences are intentionally built into the weapon to keep it running while dirty in combat conditions......
Absolutely. That goes for any firearm. Put a round in the chamber of a Glock 19 and see how tight it fits. Regardless of how tight it is, I personally have not experienced any 1911 that was on the order of reliability of a Glock. Has there been a lot of tightening of the action in military issue 1911s that would cause them to have these complaints?
Tightening can be done to an extent and maintain reliability. Compare a Glock to a Springfield XD-M.
Also, those new Marine pistols had cerakoted feed ramps/slides /rails which caused problems....this same issue has cropped up on cerakoted glocks from Lipseys (so I've read) until they've been shot in and those contact points have smoothed out or polished out by owners/smiths..
Post by: SAK Guy on October 07, 2016, 06:35:20 PM
Many of the M1911's "issues" have to do with tuning and tightening the action. It's a combat pistol at its core, not a match one. Pick up a GI spec M1911a1 and shake it. It'll rattle. Those loose tolerences are intentionally built into the weapon to keep it running while dirty in combat conditions......
Absolutely. That goes for any firearm. Put a round in the chamber of a Glock 19 and see how tight it fits. Regardless of how tight it is, I personally have not experienced any 1911 that was on the order of reliability of a Glock. Has there been a lot of tightening of the action in military issue 1911s that would cause them to have these complaints?
Tightening can be done to an extent and maintain reliability. Compare a Glock to a Springfield XD-M.
I have a buddy who is a 1911 guy and he loves his Springfield XD! The grip angle is the same as a 1911 so if I get a polymer framed pistol, it will probably be one of those or an HK. :facepalm: :facepalm: The Glock has a steeper grip angle and doesn't point as naturally for me.
Post by: NutSAK on October 07, 2016, 06:49:18 PM
I have a buddy who is a 1911 guy and he loves his Springfield XD! The grip angle is the same as a 1911 so if I get a polymer framed pistol, it will probably be one of those or an HK. :facepalm: :facepalm: The Glock has a steeper grip angle and doesn't point as naturally for me.
I absolutely love my XD-M, but I also have no issue with Glock's grip angle. I always index, so they both point naturally for me, but I feel that I can lock my wrist more effectively with Glock's angle. All in all I prefer Glock over XD simply because, though the XD is a direct Glock rip-off, for some reason Springfield unnecessarily decided to make it more complex than a Glock. It simply doesn't need a grip safety and a striker status indicator.
I'll refrain from saying anything else about the 1911, as you obviously have more experience there than I even if you are highly-biased and crotchety. :P :D
Post by: SAK Guy on October 07, 2016, 07:02:12 PM
I have a buddy who is a 1911 guy and he loves his Springfield XD! The grip angle is the same as a 1911 so if I get a polymer framed pistol, it will probably be one of those or an HK. :facepalm: :facepalm: The Glock has a steeper grip angle and doesn't point as naturally for me.
I absolutely love my XD-M, but I also have no issue with Glock's grip angle. I always index, so they both point naturally for me, but I feel that I can lock my wrist more effectively with Glock's angle. All in all I prefer Glock over XD simply because, though the XD is a direct Glock rip-off, for some reason Springfield unnecessarily decided to make it more complex than a Glock. It simply doesn't need a grip safety and a striker status indicator.
I'll refrain from saying anything else about the 1911, as you obviously have more experience there than I even if you are highly-biased and crotchety. :P :D
:rofl: :rofl: I think that Glock angle was intentional as it effectively lets you lean into the pistol and control recoil/rapid fire. Like everything else on the Glock it was well thought out and innovative! Used to do a lot of quick presentation drills and with the 1911, I could point shoot center mass hits out to about 15 yards. Trying those drills with a buddy's 17 resulted in me pointing about two feet over the target at the same distance. Could probably get used to one if I owned one to shoot a lot.
Post by: SAK Guy on November 16, 2016, 04:57:20 PM
Been watching him for several days and he usually stayed where there was no safe shot and then quickly disappeared. But yesterday, he changed his routine just long enough for me to get out the door and line up a shot as he was leaving. The .45 was close by (no time to drag out and load the .22 rifle) and the mags functioned flawlessly. He was moving away fast at about 14 yards. Took a couple of shots. Probably the first time in nearly 3 years that I had shot the 1911. Was glad to see it's like riding a bike for me.
I walked further down the porch and took a pic.
Post by: Gareth on November 16, 2016, 05:23:45 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on November 16, 2016, 06:27:44 PM
I suspect hitting a skunk with a .45 means it's definitely not getting up again. :D
LOL, +1, a fact I was very glad of when I went over and poked him with a shovel. :ahhh
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 16, 2016, 09:33:18 PM
Post by: Humppa on November 16, 2016, 09:50:42 PM
What a fine rifle. It has the Nr. 11 stamped on it. This means it was made in Poland at the Radom facility. And a mighty fine gun.
But some jerk used to fire corrosive ammo out of it. The barrel got some rust and pitting. I used to clean it hard. But there was still rust.
Then I had enough. Put the gun, went to the range and did dome firing.
Nice feeling so far. The best surprise was the target at 100 metres. The target picture was great. All in a circle of about 10 cm diameter.
I was a little off center, about 30 cm to left. But in a great circle of 10 cm at 10-shot-group.
I used non-corrosive ammo. With 180grs FMJ by S&B, Pretty heavy bullets and a wonderful recoil.
At the end of the day, the barrel was clean and no more rust inside the barrel.
So I finally I tried to adjust the front sight. But it sat tight. Well... that concerned me and I did some research online.
Got myself a front-sight-adjustment (in Germany it is called Kornschieber).
Need to get on the range soon and do some more testing.
But still... my favorite is my WWII K98k. With its new barrel and a mighty fine recoil and a target picture at 10 metres.
Post by: Gareth on November 16, 2016, 10:10:03 PM
I hope you took appropriate precautions. ;)I suspect hitting a skunk with a .45 means it's definitely not getting up again. :D
LOL, +1, a fact I was very glad of when I went over and poked him with a shovel. :ahhh
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Post by: SAK Guy on November 16, 2016, 10:55:23 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on November 16, 2016, 10:56:22 PM
.45s work great for vermin control.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :cheers:
Post by: SAK Guy on November 16, 2016, 11:00:16 PM
Got myself a Mosin Nagant M44 recently.
What a fine rifle. It has the Nr. 11 stamped on it. This means it was made in Poland at the Radom facility. And a mighty fine gun.
But some jerk used to fire corrosive ammo out of it. The barrel got some rust and pitting. I used to clean it hard. But there was still rust.
Then I had enough. Put the gun, went to the range and did dome firing.
Nice feeling so far. The best surprise was the target at 100 metres. The target picture was great. All in a circle of about 10 cm diameter.
I was a little off center, about 30 cm to left. But in a great circle of 10 cm at 10-shot-group.
I used non-corrosive ammo. With 180grs FMJ by S&B, Pretty heavy bullets and a wonderful recoil.
At the end of the day, the barrel was clean and no more rust inside the barrel.
So I finally I tried to adjust the front sight. But it sat tight. Well... that concerned me and I did some research online.
Got myself a front-sight-adjustment (in Germany it is called Kornschieber).
Need to get on the range soon and do some more testing.
But still... my favorite is my WWII K98k. With its new barrel and a mighty fine recoil and a target picture at 10 metres.
:cheers: :cheers: Awesome!!!!!! You have some fine rifles Andi!!! :salute:
Post by: ironraven on November 17, 2016, 02:37:42 AM
I just put a 100 down on a Glock 17. $400, and it's very clean, three mags, the - disconnector and Glock's extended slide release. My G19 has been wanting a big brother for a while.
Post by: SAK Guy on November 17, 2016, 04:09:10 AM
Oh, I did something fiscally unsound.
I just put a 100 down on a Glock 17. $400, and it's very clean, three mags, the - disconnector and Glock's extended slide release. My G19 has been wanting a big brother for a while.
Sounds great!!! :salute:
Post by: cbl51 on November 17, 2016, 04:43:05 AM
Oh, I did something fiscally unsound.
I just put a 100 down on a Glock 17. $400, and it's very clean, three mags, the - disconnector and Glock's extended slide release. My G19 has been wanting a big brother for a while.
It's never an unsound choice to buy a Glock.
Post by: Alan K. on November 18, 2016, 01:06:55 AM
:facepalm:
Post by: Chako on November 18, 2016, 01:28:05 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 18, 2016, 03:26:58 AM
I don't know if I am in the minority here, but I can't get along with a Glock ergonomically. When I first got into firearms, I had a choice of going with a Glock, or an M&P. The S&W won out.
Same here. Grew up around 1911s and Browning Hi-Powers, and the Glock's grip angle feels totally wrong. Also don't care for their mushy triggers.
Post by: SAK Guy on November 18, 2016, 05:22:30 AM
I don't know if I am in the minority here, but I can't get along with a Glock ergonomically. When I first got into firearms, I had a choice of going with a Glock, or an M&P. The S&W won out.
Same here. Grew up around 1911s and Browning Hi-Powers, and the Glock's grip angle feels totally wrong. Also don't care for their mushy triggers.
+1000!!!!! After 40+ years of shooting Browning designs, like Karl said, the grip angle is very unnatural. I automatically present high with them. Would take me years of training with one to be able to overcome that. If I was going with a polymer frame pistol, something like a Springfield Armory XD or HK USP would make more sense.
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 18, 2016, 06:58:19 AM
I don't know if I am in the minority here, but I can't get along with a Glock ergonomically. When I first got into firearms, I had a choice of going with a Glock, or an M&P. The S&W won out.
Same here. Grew up around 1911s and Browning Hi-Powers, and the Glock's grip angle feels totally wrong. Also don't care for their mushy triggers.
+1000!!!!! After 40+ years of shooting Browning designs, like Karl said, the grip angle is very unnatural. I automatically present high with them. Would take me years of training with one to be able to overcome that. If I was going with a polymer frame pistol, something like a Springfield Armory XD or HK USP would make more sense.
My current pistols: S&W 686, HK USP Tactical, CZ 75 Shadow.
Really like the HK. Have shot Springfields on a couple of occasions and don't care for them. Another good polymer frame pistol is the CZ P-07. SIGs have a good reputation, but never feel right in my hand (strictly personal).
Post by: SAK Guy on November 18, 2016, 06:02:19 PM
I don't know if I am in the minority here, but I can't get along with a Glock ergonomically. When I first got into firearms, I had a choice of going with a Glock, or an M&P. The S&W won out.
Same here. Grew up around 1911s and Browning Hi-Powers, and the Glock's grip angle feels totally wrong. Also don't care for their mushy triggers.
+1000!!!!! After 40+ years of shooting Browning designs, like Karl said, the grip angle is very unnatural. I automatically present high with them. Would take me years of training with one to be able to overcome that. If I was going with a polymer frame pistol, something like a Springfield Armory XD or HK USP would make more sense.
My current pistols: S&W 686, HK USP Tactical, CZ 75 Shadow.
Really like the HK. Have shot Springfields on a couple of occasions and don't care for them. Another good polymer frame pistol is the CZ P-07. SIGs have a good reputation, but never feel right in my hand (strictly personal).
:cheers: :cheers: :drool: :drool: Hey Karl, how does that HK point? I'm leaning toward one of those after I read about the HK23 military tests and how well weather proofed they are on the inside...it uses a Browning cam lock design up too which is familiar to me.
Post by: Humppa on November 18, 2016, 10:22:01 PM
One thing is that the short-weapons are hard to get here. Many authority work and the storage and all these things.
But I´ve tried the USP much in past of a co-shooter of mine.
It takes the target as it should. It is a fine polymer pistol. One of the best I´ve shot yet. But you should also take a chance to the H&K P30. Nice and fine made gun.
IMO these polymer pistols are not that accurate than a full-steel-pistol a la 1911. But that´s just me.
For a real target pistol, I highly recommend a Walther GSP in .22lr or .32. It makes a fine target pistol.
But it depends on what you wanna use it for.
The polymer pistols I´ve shot are made of cast-cink or cast-aluminium. Mostly the cheaper ones are no great deal...
The SIGs are so well made and I highly recommend them. IIRC the SIG 210 Legend made in Eckernförde, Germany is chunk of steel but incredible nicely made.
Carry guns are a no-go here. So I can only talk about target guns due to the strict gun laws.
Post by: SAK Guy on November 19, 2016, 01:20:59 AM
Well, I´m a rifle guy. Not so much a fan of these pistols and revolvers in general.
One thing is that the short-weapons are hard to get here. Many authority work and the storage and all these things.
But I´ve tried the USP much in past of a co-shooter of mine.
It takes the target as it should. It is a fine polymer pistol. One of the best I´ve shot yet. But you should also take a chance to the H&K P30. Nice and fine made gun.
IMO these polymer pistols are not that accurate than a full-steel-pistol a la 1911. But that´s just me.
For a real target pistol, I highly recommend a Walther GSP in .22lr or .32. It makes a fine target pistol.
But it depends on what you wanna use it for.
The polymer pistols I´ve shot are made of cast-cink or cast-aluminium. Mostly the cheaper ones are no great deal...
The SIGs are so well made and I highly recommend them. IIRC the SIG 210 Legend made in Eckernförde, Germany is chunk of steel but incredible nicely made.
Carry guns are a no-go here. So I can only talk about target guns due to the strict gun laws.
Thanks for the feedback Andi!!!! I always wanted a Sig P-210 till I priced one 20 years ago....I can't imagine what they cost now! :o
I don't shoot targets anymore so just dispatching the odd skunk etc., or impressing a Mutant Zombie, Biker Gang at the front gate is about all I would use it for! :D
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 19, 2016, 03:02:23 AM
I don't know if I am in the minority here, but I can't get along with a Glock ergonomically. When I first got into firearms, I had a choice of going with a Glock, or an M&P. The S&W won out.
Same here. Grew up around 1911s and Browning Hi-Powers, and the Glock's grip angle feels totally wrong. Also don't care for their mushy triggers.
+1000!!!!! After 40+ years of shooting Browning designs, like Karl said, the grip angle is very unnatural. I automatically present high with them. Would take me years of training with one to be able to overcome that. If I was going with a polymer frame pistol, something like a Springfield Armory XD or HK USP would make more sense.
My current pistols: S&W 686, HK USP Tactical, CZ 75 Shadow.
Really like the HK. Have shot Springfields on a couple of occasions and don't care for them. Another good polymer frame pistol is the CZ P-07. SIGs have a good reputation, but never feel right in my hand (strictly personal).
:cheers: :cheers: :drool: :drool: Hey Karl, how does that HK point? I'm leaning toward one of those after I read about the HK23 military tests and how well weather proofed they are on the inside...it uses a Browning cam lock design up too which is familiar to me.
The HK points great for me. Here's a photo from a while back: 50 rounds through the HK at 25 feet, Weaver stance. Not too bad, considering my eye sight, breath control and trigger control are all heading down the tube.
One point, the USP has a double recoil spring, with the inner spring acting as a buffer. Very pleasant to shoot. The HK P-30 has a better safety if you want to carry 'cocked-and-locked', but substantially sharper muzzle flip.
Would love to have a SIG 210, but not for the price of three or four other decent pistols. Maybe when I win the lottery... :D
Post by: ironraven on November 19, 2016, 03:11:39 AM
Then I shot my brother's Glock, and I was really impressed. Shot a couple more. And a lot more. And then one told me its name and I kind of had to let me follow it home. The grip angle took a little bit to get used to, but it's hard to argue with the realiability. I have had only two failures to feed, both tied to a bad mag, with my G19. My Hi Power... not quite as much.
The polymer pistols I´ve shot are made of cast-cink or cast-aluminium. Mostly the cheaper ones are no great deal...
Neither zinc nor aluminum are polymers
Post by: SAK Guy on November 19, 2016, 04:27:06 AM
I don't know if I am in the minority here, but I can't get along with a Glock ergonomically. When I first got into firearms, I had a choice of going with a Glock, or an M&P. The S&W won out.
Same here. Grew up around 1911s and Browning Hi-Powers, and the Glock's grip angle feels totally wrong. Also don't care for their mushy triggers.
+1000!!!!! After 40+ years of shooting Browning designs, like Karl said, the grip angle is very unnatural. I automatically present high with them. Would take me years of training with one to be able to overcome that. If I was going with a polymer frame pistol, something like a Springfield Armory XD or HK USP would make more sense.
My current pistols: S&W 686, HK USP Tactical, CZ 75 Shadow.
Really like the HK. Have shot Springfields on a couple of occasions and don't care for them. Another good polymer frame pistol is the CZ P-07. SIGs have a good reputation, but never feel right in my hand (strictly personal).
:cheers: :cheers: :drool: :drool: Hey Karl, how does that HK point? I'm leaning toward one of those after I read about the HK23 military tests and how well weather proofed they are on the inside...it uses a Browning cam lock design up too which is familiar to me.
The HK points great for me. Here's a photo from a while back: 50 rounds through the HK at 25 feet, Weaver stance. Not too bad, considering my eye sight, breath control and trigger control are all heading down the tube.
One point, the USP has a double recoil spring, with the inner spring acting as a buffer. Very pleasant to shoot. The HK P-30 has a better safety if you want to carry 'cocked-and-locked', but substantially sharper muzzle flip.
Would love to have a SIG 210, but not for the price of three or four other decent pistols. Maybe when I win the lottery... :D
8) Great info and awesome group bud!!!! :cheers: :cheers: I'll take easy shooting over easy carry at this point in life. :D The USP is looking good.
Post by: Humppa on November 19, 2016, 11:29:14 AM
The polymer pistols I´ve shot are made of cast-cink or cast-aluminium. Mostly the cheaper ones are no great deal...
Neither zinc nor aluminum are polymers
LOL!! Do you really think I don´t know that? Well, I have taken it out of the context. ::)
The grip is made of polymer and the reciever is made of cast metal. Not made very well. I speak of some of the Walther, GSP and such guns. The reciever tends to get cracked after some years of consequent usage. A milled out piece of steel is another point on a gun and I don´t just speak of the barrel.
The very same with rifles. In general too much plastic on guns nowadays, at least mostly.
I can just speak for rifles, but I doubt that the H&K G36 will shoot in 100 years as the G98 still does today. In my memory, my time in the German Armed Forces (Bundeswehr) we had the G36 and we got handed out the G3 at some points as well. The G36 was like a toy gun. Nowadays our troops in Afghanistan run around with this gun and there are reports about not firing accuately especially after full-auto firing due to some hot barrels. I´m not a fan of the .223 Rem either but that´s just me again and another topic.
All I want to say with this is, I trust much more in full metal guns in general. Every polymer is just plastic in my eyes and no big deal on a gun. Plain Ol' Metal & Wood Is The Way To Go.
Post by: SAK Guy on November 21, 2016, 02:16:57 AM
Wow, that sounded so cool that I'm actually going to have to buy some so I really can break it out! :D
Post by: SAK Guy on November 22, 2016, 02:15:36 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 22, 2016, 02:31:22 AM
Post by: Marius on November 25, 2016, 12:41:15 AM
Post by: Marius on November 25, 2016, 02:51:02 AM
My current pistols: S&W 686, HK USP Tactical, CZ 75 Shadow.
The HK points great for me. Here's a photo from a while back: 50 rounds through the HK at 25 feet, Weaver stance. Not too bad, considering my eye sight, breath control and trigger control are all heading down the tube.
Karl, this looks quite impressive to me. Not bad at all! I'd also say that experience can compensate for loss of said physical abilities :tu: Too bad we are too far away, I'd love to have the chance to go shooting together.
Post by: SAK Guy on November 25, 2016, 08:11:24 AM
Here are mine right now. Three S&W wheel guns: a K22 Masterpiece from the 50s, a Model 19.3 snub in .357 Magnum from the 70s and a new Classic line Model 36 Chiefs Special. And one Uberti Colt 1861 Navy replica (black powder, ball and cap). Shooting them all, except not yet the 1861 Navy that I just got.
Very nice!!! :cheers:
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on November 25, 2016, 09:16:03 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 26, 2016, 02:15:56 AM
My current pistols: S&W 686, HK USP Tactical, CZ 75 Shadow.
The HK points great for me. Here's a photo from a while back: 50 rounds through the HK at 25 feet, Weaver stance. Not too bad, considering my eye sight, breath control and trigger control are all heading down the tube.
Karl, this looks quite impressive to me. Not bad at all! I'd also say that experience can compensate for loss of said physical abilities :tu: Too bad we are too far away, I'd love to have the chance to go shooting together.
You've got some very nice stuff. Would be fun to get out together. :cheers:
Post by: David on November 26, 2016, 05:31:53 AM
The Chip McCormick Power Mag functioned flawlessly with hardball late yesterday afternoon . This skunk was coming right up on the front porch and eating cat food. My Mom became afraid to go outside after about 4pm and having cats and small dogs, the rabies risk was real so I had to do something.
Been watching him for several days and he usually stayed where there was no safe shot and then quickly disappeared. But yesterday, he changed his routine just long enough for me to get out the door and line up a shot as he was leaving. The .45 was close by (no time to drag out and load the .22 rifle) and the mags functioned flawlessly. He was moving away fast at about 14 yards. Took a couple of shots. Probably the first time in nearly 3 years that I had shot the 1911. Was glad to see it's like riding a bike for me.
I walked further down the porch and took a pic.
Good shootin Robert! :tu: :) skunks are the biggest carrier of rabies around here.
Post by: SAK Guy on November 26, 2016, 07:47:53 AM
The Chip McCormick Power Mag functioned flawlessly with hardball late yesterday afternoon . This skunk was coming right up on the front porch and eating cat food. My Mom became afraid to go outside after about 4pm and having cats and small dogs, the rabies risk was real so I had to do something.
Been watching him for several days and he usually stayed where there was no safe shot and then quickly disappeared. But yesterday, he changed his routine just long enough for me to get out the door and line up a shot as he was leaving. The .45 was close by (no time to drag out and load the .22 rifle) and the mags functioned flawlessly. He was moving away fast at about 14 yards. Took a couple of shots. Probably the first time in nearly 3 years that I had shot the 1911. Was glad to see it's like riding a bike for me.
I walked further down the porch and took a pic.
Good shootin Robert! :tu: :) skunks are the biggest carrier of rabies around here.
Thanks David!!! They are around here too...there were two more on the porch tonight. We put a drop of ionic silver in the cats water a couple times a week to try and negate any transmission to the cats till I can resolve the problem. They used to show up around 4-4:30pm but now it's later, closer to 6:30-7pm. Makes the shot in the dark now. :(
Post by: Chako on November 27, 2016, 02:21:45 PM
Now I have to factor in 20 gauge ammo into the equation...which necessitated a little organizing in the ammo locker. Still not to my overall satisfaction...which means I will have to play around with the various sortings in the near future.
Here is the overall shot.
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The lower section holds the new 20 gauge as well as my 12 gauge stuff. Also located here is the 7.62×39mm, BB/Pellet, and .22 ammunition.
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The top section contains the 45 Colt, 45 APC, .223 Remington, 30.06, 9mm, 38 Special and 357 Magnum ammunition.
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Yes, I notice I left a box of 20 gauge in there as well. :facepalm:
Post by: Aloha on November 27, 2016, 05:43:56 PM
Your ammo safe is looking great since its inception.
Post by: dks on November 27, 2016, 06:50:47 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on November 28, 2016, 03:33:44 PM
the new ones are well sealed and can last for years
+100!!! One of the rounds I used to dispatch that skunk was purchased in '83 from my gun shop....
Also, about 15 years ago, I inadvertently fired a round of 45ACP that was loaded during WWII. Worked perfectly. Was going to save it but it got mixed into a bag of practice ammo and was discovered when I policed the empties. :facepalm:
Post by: dks on November 28, 2016, 05:42:51 PM
The ones from the 80s onwards fire like new.
The armies will regularly use old stock shells for exercises and target practise and some will be several decades old. Most work well, but you do get some surprises.
Post by: Fortytwo on November 28, 2016, 07:30:07 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 29, 2016, 04:26:38 AM
For the uninitiated, corrosive primers contained chemicals such as potassium chlorate that left salt deposits in the weapon. Left unattended they'd cause rust in short order.
Post by: G-Dizzle on November 29, 2016, 06:38:16 AM
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Post by: SAK Guy on December 04, 2016, 08:49:56 AM
Had this recently passed down to me from a family member. It belonged to someone special and has definite sentimental value. 1970s or 80s Charter Arms .38 Special. I didnt know much about it and looked it up and it seems that alot of people either hate it or love it. I just put a few rounds through it the other night. Im thinking I got one of the good ones. No lead spray at least! My grandfather on the other side of the family had a couple s&w snubbies as well. I am hoping that I will get to keep one of them as well because I was very close to him.
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Nice!!! :cheers:
I have another model, an older Off Duty I think it's called. They are good pistols, just not as slick as a J Frame or a Colt. I see the new ones are OK with +P's but back when I was a dealer in the early 80's, Charter Arms recommended only std pressure 38 spec ammo.
added: I see the box now so I guess they are std pressure. Looks like a nice round for that pistol.
We sold a lot of them as they were a lower price alternative to the S+W's for ladies purses or nightstand drawers. Most folks that bought them shot them once or twice (to make sure they worked) and put them away for an emergency. Like I said, good guns...my Dad loved his!
Post by: Gareth on December 04, 2016, 04:26:57 PM
Had this recently passed down to me from a family member. It belonged to someone special and has definite sentimental value. 1970s or 80s Charter Arms .38 Special. I didnt know much about it and looked it up and it seems that alot of people either hate it or love it. I just put a few rounds through it the other night. Im thinking I got one of the good ones. No lead spray at least! My grandfather on the other side of the family had a couple s&w snubbies as well. I am hoping that I will get to keep one of them as well because I was very close to him.
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That looks like a cracker mate. :tu:
Post by: G-Dizzle on December 05, 2016, 04:14:49 AM
Had this recently passed down to me from a family member. It belonged to someone special and has definite sentimental value. 1970s or 80s Charter Arms .38 Special. I didnt know much about it and looked it up and it seems that alot of people either hate it or love it. I just put a few rounds through it the other night. Im thinking I got one of the good ones. No lead spray at least! My grandfather on the other side of the family had a couple s&w snubbies as well. I am hoping that I will get to keep one of them as well because I was very close to him.
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That looks like a cracker mate. :tu:
:cheers: thanks! I think that's a good thing!
Post by: G-Dizzle on December 05, 2016, 04:26:55 AM
That's awesome!!!Had this recently passed down to me from a family member. It belonged to someone special and has definite sentimental value. 1970s or 80s Charter Arms .38 Special. I didnt know much about it and looked it up and it seems that alot of people either hate it or love it. I just put a few rounds through it the other night. Im thinking I got one of the good ones. No lead spray at least! My grandfather on the other side of the family had a couple s&w snubbies as well. I am hoping that I will get to keep one of them as well because I was very close to him.
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Nice!!! :cheers:
I have another model, an older Off Duty I think it's called. They are good pistols, just not as slick as a J Frame or a Colt. I see the new ones are OK with +P's but back when I was a dealer in the early 80's, Charter Arms recommended only std pressure 38 spec ammo.
added: I see the box now so I guess they are std pressure. Looks like a nice round for that pistol.
We sold a lot of them as they were a lower price alternative to the S+W's for ladies purses or nightstand drawers. Most folks that bought them shot them once or twice (to make sure they worked) and put them away for an emergency. Like I said, good guns...my Dad loved his!
The defense ammo that I keep in it are standard pressure (actually low recoil) the practice ammo I'm using in the pictured is just standard pressure Winchester white box 130 grain. I don't have any original paperwork to go with the gun so I thought I would play it safe and get non +p. I hope to get a S&W J frame one day but I imagine that this does the job almost if not just as well, without being so slick or cool as you said. Thanks for your comments on it! i'd be interested to know if you have any more info on it.
Post by: SAK Guy on December 05, 2016, 06:34:15 AM
That's awesome!!!Had this recently passed down to me from a family member. It belonged to someone special and has definite sentimental value. 1970s or 80s Charter Arms .38 Special. I didnt know much about it and looked it up and it seems that alot of people either hate it or love it. I just put a few rounds through it the other night. Im thinking I got one of the good ones. No lead spray at least! My grandfather on the other side of the family had a couple s&w snubbies as well. I am hoping that I will get to keep one of them as well because I was very close to him.
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Nice!!! :cheers:
I have another model, an older Off Duty I think it's called. They are good pistols, just not as slick as a J Frame or a Colt. I see the new ones are OK with +P's but back when I was a dealer in the early 80's, Charter Arms recommended only std pressure 38 spec ammo.
added: I see the box now so I guess they are std pressure. Looks like a nice round for that pistol.
We sold a lot of them as they were a lower price alternative to the S+W's for ladies purses or nightstand drawers. Most folks that bought them shot them once or twice (to make sure they worked) and put them away for an emergency. Like I said, good guns...my Dad loved his!
The defense ammo that I keep in it are standard pressure (actually low recoil) the practice ammo I'm using in the pictured is just standard pressure Winchester white box 130 grain. I don't have any original paperwork to go with the gun so I thought I would play it safe and get non +p. I hope to get a S&W J frame one day but I imagine that this does the job almost if not just as well, without being so slick or cool as you said. Thanks for your comments on it! i'd be interested to know if you have any more info on it.
:cheers: They are great guns! When I said they were not as slick, I meant that Smiths and Colts were finished to a higher degree....glossy bluing etc. The neat thing about these old Charter Arms is that they are well made, dependable and meant to carried and used. I've owned Smiths that had such a high polish blue that I wouldn't lay them on a bare table for fear I would mar the finish. :facepalm: This Off Duty of Dad's has a matte blue finish what what I prefer in a blued carry gun. My Colt Commander has the same type of finish.
Meant no disrespect on your Undercover which was the .38 in the Charter Arms line back in the 70's-80's. Probably the only gun that was better known was their 44 Spec Bulldog which gained notoriety when the Son of Sam serial killer (David Berkowitz) used it in his crimes.
I've already googled that Winchester ammo and plan on getting some for mine. All the years Dad had his, he just kept 158gr round nose lead in it.
Post by: G-Dizzle on December 05, 2016, 07:13:51 AM
Thanks for your thoughts! I didn't take any offense or disrespect so we are good there!! :tu: i really would like to get a nice 3" 357 to carry :dd: about the ammo, I haven't shot any through this gun yet. Honestly I just picked it up because this is my first .38 and these were the only non +P JHPs that they had! I did read beforehand that this is a good round for this gun though. If I get a chance to shoot it this week I will put a couple of them through it and let you know how it shoots! I'm glad to have a .38 special now. I always listened to my grandpa tell me about his two and he loved them. I had been shopping for a new automatic but this has really brought back some nostalgia and makes we kind of want to stick with revolvers.That's awesome!!!Had this recently passed down to me from a family member. It belonged to someone special and has definite sentimental value. 1970s or 80s Charter Arms .38 Special. I didnt know much about it and looked it up and it seems that alot of people either hate it or love it. I just put a few rounds through it the other night. Im thinking I got one of the good ones. No lead spray at least! My grandfather on the other side of the family had a couple s&w snubbies as well. I am hoping that I will get to keep one of them as well because I was very close to him.
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Nice!!! :cheers:
I have another model, an older Off Duty I think it's called. They are good pistols, just not as slick as a J Frame or a Colt. I see the new ones are OK with +P's but back when I was a dealer in the early 80's, Charter Arms recommended only std pressure 38 spec ammo.
added: I see the box now so I guess they are std pressure. Looks like a nice round for that pistol.
We sold a lot of them as they were a lower price alternative to the S+W's for ladies purses or nightstand drawers. Most folks that bought them shot them once or twice (to make sure they worked) and put them away for an emergency. Like I said, good guns...my Dad loved his!
The defense ammo that I keep in it are standard pressure (actually low recoil) the practice ammo I'm using in the pictured is just standard pressure Winchester white box 130 grain. I don't have any original paperwork to go with the gun so I thought I would play it safe and get non +p. I hope to get a S&W J frame one day but I imagine that this does the job almost if not just as well, without being so slick or cool as you said. Thanks for your comments on it! i'd be interested to know if you have any more info on it.
:cheers: They are great guns! When I said they were not as slick, I meant that Smiths and Colts were finished to a higher degree....glossy bluing etc. The neat thing about these old Charter Arms is that they are well made, dependable and meant to carried and used. I've owned Smiths that had such a high polish blue that I wouldn't lay them on a bare table for fear I would mar the finish. :facepalm: This Off Duty of Dad's has a matte blue finish what what I prefer in a blued carry gun. My Colt Commander has the same type of finish.
Meant no disrespect on your Undercover which was the .38 in the Charter Arms line back in the 70's-80's. Probably the only gun that was better known was their 44 Spec Bulldog which gained notoriety when the Son of Sam serial killer (David Berkowitz) used it in his crimes.
I've already googled that Winchester ammo and plan on getting some for mine. All the years Dad had his, he just kept 158gr round nose lead in it.
Post by: SAK Guy on December 05, 2016, 05:31:07 PM
Thanks for your thoughts! I didn't take any offense or disrespect so we are good there!! :tu: i really would like to get a nice 3" 357 to carry :dd: about the ammo, I haven't shot any through this gun yet. Honestly I just picked it up because this is my first .38 and these were the only non +P JHPs that they had! I did read beforehand that this is a good round for this gun though. If I get a chance to shoot it this week I will put a couple of them through it and let you know how it shoots! I'm glad to have a .38 special now. I always listened to my grandpa tell me about his two and he loved them. I had been shopping for a new automatic but this has really brought back some nostalgia and makes we kind of want to stick with revolvers.That's awesome!!!Had this recently passed down to me from a family member. It belonged to someone special and has definite sentimental value. 1970s or 80s Charter Arms .38 Special. I didnt know much about it and looked it up and it seems that alot of people either hate it or love it. I just put a few rounds through it the other night. Im thinking I got one of the good ones. No lead spray at least! My grandfather on the other side of the family had a couple s&w snubbies as well. I am hoping that I will get to keep one of them as well because I was very close to him.
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Nice!!! :cheers:
I have another model, an older Off Duty I think it's called. They are good pistols, just not as slick as a J Frame or a Colt. I see the new ones are OK with +P's but back when I was a dealer in the early 80's, Charter Arms recommended only std pressure 38 spec ammo.
added: I see the box now so I guess they are std pressure. Looks like a nice round for that pistol.
We sold a lot of them as they were a lower price alternative to the S+W's for ladies purses or nightstand drawers. Most folks that bought them shot them once or twice (to make sure they worked) and put them away for an emergency. Like I said, good guns...my Dad loved his!
The defense ammo that I keep in it are standard pressure (actually low recoil) the practice ammo I'm using in the pictured is just standard pressure Winchester white box 130 grain. I don't have any original paperwork to go with the gun so I thought I would play it safe and get non +p. I hope to get a S&W J frame one day but I imagine that this does the job almost if not just as well, without being so slick or cool as you said. Thanks for your comments on it! i'd be interested to know if you have any more info on it.
:cheers: They are great guns! When I said they were not as slick, I meant that Smiths and Colts were finished to a higher degree....glossy bluing etc. The neat thing about these old Charter Arms is that they are well made, dependable and meant to carried and used. I've owned Smiths that had such a high polish blue that I wouldn't lay them on a bare table for fear I would mar the finish. :facepalm: This Off Duty of Dad's has a matte blue finish what what I prefer in a blued carry gun. My Colt Commander has the same type of finish.
Meant no disrespect on your Undercover which was the .38 in the Charter Arms line back in the 70's-80's. Probably the only gun that was better known was their 44 Spec Bulldog which gained notoriety when the Son of Sam serial killer (David Berkowitz) used it in his crimes.
I've already googled that Winchester ammo and plan on getting some for mine. All the years Dad had his, he just kept 158gr round nose lead in it.
:cheers: Thank you!!
Post by: SAK Guy on December 10, 2016, 01:58:34 AM
All bets are off on skunks, rabbits, armadillos, raccoons and possums. No self control....maybe she's learned her lesson.
She smells like it, I smell like it....the whole house smells like it. :D I need to get rid of those skunks....
Farm life is great, mostly. ;)
Post by: ColoSwiss on December 10, 2016, 02:50:23 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on December 10, 2016, 05:32:58 AM
Post by: G-Dizzle on December 25, 2016, 09:46:47 PM
I know I'm kind of late but I shot the defense ammo today and it shot VERY well. Low recoil and very easy follow ups. I only shot 5 rounds of it and the rest white box but it shot very well.Thanks for your thoughts! I didn't take any offense or disrespect so we are good there!! :tu: i really would like to get a nice 3" 357 to carry :dd: about the ammo, I haven't shot any through this gun yet. Honestly I just picked it up because this is my first .38 and these were the only non +P JHPs that they had! I did read beforehand that this is a good round for this gun though. If I get a chance to shoot it this week I will put a couple of them through it and let you know how it shoots! I'm glad to have a .38 special now. I always listened to my grandpa tell me about his two and he loved them. I had been shopping for a new automatic but this has really brought back some nostalgia and makes we kind of want to stick with revolvers.That's awesome!!!Had this recently passed down to me from a family member. It belonged to someone special and has definite sentimental value. 1970s or 80s Charter Arms .38 Special. I didnt know much about it and looked it up and it seems that alot of people either hate it or love it. I just put a few rounds through it the other night. Im thinking I got one of the good ones. No lead spray at least! My grandfather on the other side of the family had a couple s&w snubbies as well. I am hoping that I will get to keep one of them as well because I was very close to him.
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Nice!!! :cheers:
I have another model, an older Off Duty I think it's called. They are good pistols, just not as slick as a J Frame or a Colt. I see the new ones are OK with +P's but back when I was a dealer in the early 80's, Charter Arms recommended only std pressure 38 spec ammo.
added: I see the box now so I guess they are std pressure. Looks like a nice round for that pistol.
We sold a lot of them as they were a lower price alternative to the S+W's for ladies purses or nightstand drawers. Most folks that bought them shot them once or twice (to make sure they worked) and put them away for an emergency. Like I said, good guns...my Dad loved his!
The defense ammo that I keep in it are standard pressure (actually low recoil) the practice ammo I'm using in the pictured is just standard pressure Winchester white box 130 grain. I don't have any original paperwork to go with the gun so I thought I would play it safe and get non +p. I hope to get a S&W J frame one day but I imagine that this does the job almost if not just as well, without being so slick or cool as you said. Thanks for your comments on it! i'd be interested to know if you have any more info on it.
:cheers: They are great guns! When I said they were not as slick, I meant that Smiths and Colts were finished to a higher degree....glossy bluing etc. The neat thing about these old Charter Arms is that they are well made, dependable and meant to carried and used. I've owned Smiths that had such a high polish blue that I wouldn't lay them on a bare table for fear I would mar the finish. :facepalm: This Off Duty of Dad's has a matte blue finish what what I prefer in a blued carry gun. My Colt Commander has the same type of finish.
Meant no disrespect on your Undercover which was the .38 in the Charter Arms line back in the 70's-80's. Probably the only gun that was better known was their 44 Spec Bulldog which gained notoriety when the Son of Sam serial killer (David Berkowitz) used it in his crimes.
I've already googled that Winchester ammo and plan on getting some for mine. All the years Dad had his, he just kept 158gr round nose lead in it.
:cheers: Thank you!!
Post by: David on December 26, 2016, 10:23:59 AM
Well......the Schnauzer got skunk sprayed tonight. She just can't control herself....if it will run from her, she'll chase it. When the cows get into the yard, she stands on the porch, barking/bouncing, and looks at us till we say "go get 'em girl" and the she'll go run them all back through the hole in the fence. :D
All bets are off on skunks, rabbits, armadillos, raccoons and possums. No self control....maybe she's learned her lesson.
She smells like it, I smell like it....the whole house smells like it. :D I need to get rid of those skunks....
Farm life is great, mostly. ;)
I understand my old Rottweiler would kill every skunk he came across. Just couldn't leave them alone. He'd roll and roll around in the grass trying to rub the stink off. I'd stand there and watch shaking my head in disbelief he'd done it again. :D
Post by: raistlin65 on December 27, 2016, 03:53:26 AM
Well......the Schnauzer got skunk sprayed tonight. She just can't control herself....if it will run from her, she'll chase it. When the cows get into the yard, she stands on the porch, barking/bouncing, and looks at us till we say "go get 'em girl" and the she'll go run them all back through the hole in the fence. :D
All bets are off on skunks, rabbits, armadillos, raccoons and possums. No self control....maybe she's learned her lesson.
She smells like it, I smell like it....the whole house smells like it. :D I need to get rid of those skunks....
Farm life is great, mostly. ;)
I understand my old Rottweiler would kill every skunk he came across. Just couldn't leave them alone. He'd roll and roll around in the grass trying to rub the stink off. I'd stand there and watch shaking my head in disbelief he'd done it again. :D
I have a friend who one time encouraged his dog to chase a cat...only to realize too late that it was not a cat but a skunk. Don't ever make that mistake. LOL
Post by: David on December 27, 2016, 07:14:56 AM
Well......the Schnauzer got skunk sprayed tonight. She just can't control herself....if it will run from her, she'll chase it. When the cows get into the yard, she stands on the porch, barking/bouncing, and looks at us till we say "go get 'em girl" and the she'll go run them all back through the hole in the fence. :D
All bets are off on skunks, rabbits, armadillos, raccoons and possums. No self control....maybe she's learned her lesson.
She smells like it, I smell like it....the whole house smells like it. :D I need to get rid of those skunks....
Farm life is great, mostly. ;)
I understand my old Rottweiler would kill every skunk he came across. Just couldn't leave them alone. He'd roll and roll around in the grass trying to rub the stink off. I'd stand there and watch shaking my head in disbelief he'd done it again. :D
I have a friend who one time encouraged his dog to chase a cat...only to realize too late that it was not a cat but a skunk. Don't ever make that mistake. LOL
:rofl: :D
Post by: Pacu on December 30, 2016, 11:43:02 PM
Found a good deal on a 33 round Glock mag for my 4th gen 19. While not a carry option it's handy to have. I loaded 30 into it and it was a chore just to put those in with out the Glock mag loader. Later this year I might pick up a G17 .
Post by: SAK Guy on December 31, 2016, 02:49:38 AM
I know I'm kind of late but I shot the defense ammo today and it shot VERY well. Low recoil and very easy follow ups. I only shot 5 rounds of it and the rest white box but it shot very well.Thanks for your thoughts! I didn't take any offense or disrespect so we are good there!! :tu: i really would like to get a nice 3" 357 to carry :dd: about the ammo, I haven't shot any through this gun yet. Honestly I just picked it up because this is my first .38 and these were the only non +P JHPs that they had! I did read beforehand that this is a good round for this gun though. If I get a chance to shoot it this week I will put a couple of them through it and let you know how it shoots! I'm glad to have a .38 special now. I always listened to my grandpa tell me about his two and he loved them. I had been shopping for a new automatic but this has really brought back some nostalgia and makes we kind of want to stick with revolvers.That's awesome!!!Had this recently passed down to me from a family member. It belonged to someone special and has definite sentimental value. 1970s or 80s Charter Arms .38 Special. I didnt know much about it and looked it up and it seems that alot of people either hate it or love it. I just put a few rounds through it the other night. Im thinking I got one of the good ones. No lead spray at least! My grandfather on the other side of the family had a couple s&w snubbies as well. I am hoping that I will get to keep one of them as well because I was very close to him.
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Nice!!! :cheers:
I have another model, an older Off Duty I think it's called. They are good pistols, just not as slick as a J Frame or a Colt. I see the new ones are OK with +P's but back when I was a dealer in the early 80's, Charter Arms recommended only std pressure 38 spec ammo.
added: I see the box now so I guess they are std pressure. Looks like a nice round for that pistol.
We sold a lot of them as they were a lower price alternative to the S+W's for ladies purses or nightstand drawers. Most folks that bought them shot them once or twice (to make sure they worked) and put them away for an emergency. Like I said, good guns...my Dad loved his!
The defense ammo that I keep in it are standard pressure (actually low recoil) the practice ammo I'm using in the pictured is just standard pressure Winchester white box 130 grain. I don't have any original paperwork to go with the gun so I thought I would play it safe and get non +p. I hope to get a S&W J frame one day but I imagine that this does the job almost if not just as well, without being so slick or cool as you said. Thanks for your comments on it! i'd be interested to know if you have any more info on it.
:cheers: They are great guns! When I said they were not as slick, I meant that Smiths and Colts were finished to a higher degree....glossy bluing etc. The neat thing about these old Charter Arms is that they are well made, dependable and meant to carried and used. I've owned Smiths that had such a high polish blue that I wouldn't lay them on a bare table for fear I would mar the finish. :facepalm: This Off Duty of Dad's has a matte blue finish what what I prefer in a blued carry gun. My Colt Commander has the same type of finish.
Meant no disrespect on your Undercover which was the .38 in the Charter Arms line back in the 70's-80's. Probably the only gun that was better known was their 44 Spec Bulldog which gained notoriety when the Son of Sam serial killer (David Berkowitz) used it in his crimes.
I've already googled that Winchester ammo and plan on getting some for mine. All the years Dad had his, he just kept 158gr round nose lead in it.
:cheers: Thank you!!
Great!!! Thanks bud!!! :cheers:
Post by: ironraven on December 31, 2016, 02:54:27 AM
I have both a 19 and a 17- for every day, I carry a light, so the size difference between the two is just in the butt. Without it, I find the 19 has better balance, but the 17 works much better in winter due to the bulk of gloves.
Post by: SAK Guy on December 31, 2016, 02:56:20 AM
Well......the Schnauzer got skunk sprayed tonight. She just can't control herself....if it will run from her, she'll chase it. When the cows get into the yard, she stands on the porch, barking/bouncing, and looks at us till we say "go get 'em girl" and the she'll go run them all back through the hole in the fence. :D
All bets are off on skunks, rabbits, armadillos, raccoons and possums. No self control....maybe she's learned her lesson.
She smells like it, I smell like it....the whole house smells like it. :D I need to get rid of those skunks....
Farm life is great, mostly. ;)
I understand my old Rottweiler would kill every skunk he came across. Just couldn't leave them alone. He'd roll and roll around in the grass trying to rub the stink off. I'd stand there and watch shaking my head in disbelief he'd done it again. :D
:rofl:
Post by: SAK Guy on December 31, 2016, 02:57:36 AM
Well......the Schnauzer got skunk sprayed tonight. She just can't control herself....if it will run from her, she'll chase it. When the cows get into the yard, she stands on the porch, barking/bouncing, and looks at us till we say "go get 'em girl" and the she'll go run them all back through the hole in the fence. :D
All bets are off on skunks, rabbits, armadillos, raccoons and possums. No self control....maybe she's learned her lesson.
She smells like it, I smell like it....the whole house smells like it. :D I need to get rid of those skunks....
Farm life is great, mostly. ;)
I understand my old Rottweiler would kill every skunk he came across. Just couldn't leave them alone. He'd roll and roll around in the grass trying to rub the stink off. I'd stand there and watch shaking my head in disbelief he'd done it again. :D
I have a friend who one time encouraged his dog to chase a cat...only to realize too late that it was not a cat but a skunk. Don't ever make that mistake. LOL
:ahhh :ahhh :D
Post by: SAK Guy on December 31, 2016, 02:58:50 AM
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Found a good deal on a 33 round Glock mag for my 4th gen 19. While not a carry option it's handy to have. I loaded 30 into it and it was a chore just to put those in with out the Glock mag loader. Later this year I might pick up a G17 .
:drool: :drool: :salute:
Post by: Pacu on December 31, 2016, 11:42:35 PM
Pacu, how do you like the balance shift with that thing? I had two for a while, sold them- they were just unwieldy. I do like the ETS clear magazines, their 140mm mag body rocks, but check your spring becuase 40% of the ones I've gotten had funky springs that were twisted, but the company made it right in a heartbeat.
I have both a 19 and a 17- for every day, I carry a light, so the size difference between the two is just in the butt. Without it, I find the 19 has better balance, but the 17 works much better in winter due to the bulk of gloves.
I went to Academy for a G17 but the 19 just felt right. It came home with me. With a loaded 33 round magazine it may be fun at the range but it does throw off the balance a bit. May not be as noticeable in the 17. I have big hands and the 17 and 19 feel right in them.
Wonder if I loaded the mag down with say 30 rounds and left it for extended periods if the spring would be less springy over time? Dug around on google -- some say yes, some no. ::)
Post by: SAK Guy on January 01, 2017, 01:26:57 AM
Pacu, how do you like the balance shift with that thing? I had two for a while, sold them- they were just unwieldy. I do like the ETS clear magazines, their 140mm mag body rocks, but check your spring becuase 40% of the ones I've gotten had funky springs that were twisted, but the company made it right in a heartbeat.
I have both a 19 and a 17- for every day, I carry a light, so the size difference between the two is just in the butt. Without it, I find the 19 has better balance, but the 17 works much better in winter due to the bulk of gloves.
I went to Academy for a G17 but the 19 just felt right. It came home with me. With a loaded 33 round magazine it may be fun at the range but it does throw off the balance a bit. May not be as noticeable in the 17. I have big hands and the 17 and 19 feel right in them.
Wonder if I loaded the mag down with say 30 rounds and left it for extended periods if the spring would be less springy over time? Dug around on google -- some say yes, some no. ::)
:cheers: :cheers:
These arrived from Academy today..
200gr XTP Hollowpoints @1500fps... I figure it will be closer to 2000fps out of that 16" Trapper barrel.
Should be a pretty good thump on hogs....which just dug up the field right behind the tractor shed....(about 35 yards from the backdoor). If they push a hole in the fence...they will be in the yard. :o
Post by: captain spaulding on January 01, 2017, 01:34:22 AM
Post by: ironraven on January 02, 2017, 02:11:04 AM
So, I got funny looks at the range today. Doing reload and carbine to pistol transition drills- two rounds in the magazine, shoot it dry and either get in a fresh one or switch. I need to find another range. The cops and gaurdsmen keep coming over and asking what I was. :facepalm:
I will say the ambi mag release I put into my AR was probably a waste of money. I keep forgetting about it, I've been dropping those magazines with my right thumb for so long....
Post by: SAK Guy on January 08, 2017, 05:55:30 AM
This was different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VX2SX6Z9tQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYo0DdNQVJk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRf7MbF9suk
Post by: raistlin65 on January 08, 2017, 11:45:09 PM
Well.....
This was different.
So I guess my Colt 1911 would be ready for hard use in combat???....Wait a minute. I already knew that :D
Post by: SAK Guy on January 09, 2017, 12:57:57 AM
Well.....
This was different.
So I guess my Colt 1911 would be ready for hard use in combat???....Wait a minute. I already knew that :D
I reckon so! :cheers: :cheers: :2tu:
Post by: ColoSwiss on January 09, 2017, 02:09:45 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on January 09, 2017, 04:25:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuPOqDlaX6U
Post by: David on January 09, 2017, 06:51:35 AM
Well.....
This was different.
So I guess my Colt 1911 would be ready for hard use in combat???....Wait a minute. I already knew that :D
. :tu: :like:
Post by: Gareth on January 09, 2017, 01:53:32 PM
You guys have any experience with an Arex Rex Zero 1?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuPOqDlaX6U
it certainly holds up well, doesn't it? :o
Post by: SAK Guy on January 09, 2017, 03:23:51 PM
You guys have any experience with an Arex Rex Zero 1?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuPOqDlaX6U
it certainly holds up well, doesn't it? :o
It does and at half the price of the SIG.....every review of that pistol I've seen is highly favorable.
That's an interesting channel from the standpoint of testing. It always interesting to me to see that kind of stuff.
Post by: SAK Guy on January 22, 2017, 03:09:00 AM
https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/breaking-the-armys-new-handgun-is-a-sig/
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/20/army-picks-sig-sauers-p320-handgun-to-replace-m9-service-pistol.html
https://www.armytimes.com/articles/army-your-new-handgun-will-be-a-sig-sauer
https://www.armytimes.com/articles/11-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-armys-new-handgun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M36YmR2KWIc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB-aZYy2v2k
Post by: ColoSwiss on January 22, 2017, 04:44:49 AM
Shot a P320 last summer. Felt good in the hand, but not particularly accurate (may have had an off day or an off pistol). Need to try another one.
Expect there will now be 5 years of law suits.
Post by: SAK Guy on January 22, 2017, 06:26:40 AM
Interesting. Thanks for the info.
Shot a P320 last summer. Felt good in the hand, but not particularly accurate (may have had an off day or an off pistol). Need to try another one.
Expect there will now be 5 years of law suits.
:cheers: You bet! +1 on the lawsuits!
Looks neat but I'm a dinosaur and need an external hammer. :D
Post by: Gareth on January 22, 2017, 11:37:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPx5GjRInww
Post by: redmond on January 22, 2017, 07:17:13 PM
Here are mine right now. Three S&W wheel guns: a K22 Masterpiece from the 50s, a Model 19.3 snub in .357 Magnum from the 70s and a new Classic line Model 36 Chiefs Special. And one Uberti Colt 1861 Navy replica (black powder, ball and cap). Shooting them all, except not yet the 1861 Navy that I just got.
Very nice!
I'll see your K22 and M36 and raise you a K38 Masterpiece and M34.
Post by: ColoSwiss on January 22, 2017, 10:00:31 PM
Here are mine right now. Three S&W wheel guns: a K22 Masterpiece from the 50s, a Model 19.3 snub in .357 Magnum from the 70s and a new Classic line Model 36 Chiefs Special. And one Uberti Colt 1861 Navy replica (black powder, ball and cap). Shooting them all, except not yet the 1861 Navy that I just got.
Very nice!
I'll see your K22 and M36 and raise you a K38 Masterpiece and M34.
Nice! :tu:
Post by: Alan K. on January 23, 2017, 12:58:49 AM
Interesting. Thanks for the info.
Shot a P320 last summer. Felt good in the hand, but not particularly accurate (may have had an off day or an off pistol). Need to try another one.
Expect there will now be 5 years of law suits.
:cheers: You bet! +1 on the lawsuits!
Looks neat but I'm a dinosaur and need an external hammer. :D
So, get a P-250 which is essentially the same pistol as the 320 but with an external hammer. If the P-320 gives second strike capability on a hard primer without having to rack the slide then it doesn't make much difference to me except that I have a P-250 and I don't have a P-320. I am looking forward to seeing cheap surplus magazines and holsters in the near future though since those will be the same.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on January 23, 2017, 01:17:42 PM
But the rest was severely frustrating..... :twak:
My goal was to get my Ruger Blackhawk sighted in for self defense rather than hunting distances.......which seems to be impossible.
Secondly, I seem to have forgotten how to shoot :facepalm: or I need glasses. :oops:
My last six shots taken in anger out of fist seemed to show any intruder will still be sorry, but I'm not getting anywhere near the accuracy I know is possible. Asked my cousin to take a few shots off the rest and he proved as much :facepalm:
Post by: ducttapetech on January 23, 2017, 02:41:29 PM
I fired a few shots with a Mosin Nagant this weekend :like:Sounds like ammo was the problem. Your cuz must of shot the good stuff. Well that what I tell myself all the time.
But the rest was severely frustrating..... :twak:
My goal was to get my Ruger Blackhawk sighted in for self defense rather than hunting distances.......which seems to be impossible.
Secondly, I seem to have forgotten how to shoot :facepalm: or I need glasses. :oops:
My last six shots taken in anger out of fist seemed to show any intruder will still be sorry, but I'm not getting anywhere near the accuracy I know is possible. Asked my cousin to take a few shots off the rest and he proved as much :facepalm:
Post by: SAK Guy on January 25, 2017, 07:41:32 AM
Very interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPx5GjRInww
Thanks for the vid bud!!! :cheers:
Post by: SAK Guy on January 25, 2017, 08:01:47 AM
Interesting. Thanks for the info.
Shot a P320 last summer. Felt good in the hand, but not particularly accurate (may have had an off day or an off pistol). Need to try another one.
Expect there will now be 5 years of law suits.
:cheers: You bet! +1 on the lawsuits!
Looks neat but I'm a dinosaur and need an external hammer. :D
So, get a P-250 which is essentially the same pistol as the 320 but with an external hammer. If the P-320 gives second strike capability on a hard primer without having to rack the slide then it doesn't make much difference to me except that I have a P-250 and I don't have a P-320. I am looking forward to seeing cheap surplus magazines and holsters in the near future though since those will be the same.
I am thinking about a new pistol but it will probably be an HK45 or P226 (Legion)....or I will wait for a P220 Legion....or I will get another 1911 (Colt Combat or Rail or Kimber or ?) or....none of the above. :facepalm:
Was have a little trouble racking the slide on my Commander so tried this and It helped a bunch. Slick stuff. Saw it being used in a Youtube vid a while back and seems to be a great product...could really tell the difference working the slide. Used it on the slide rails and std high friction areas....need to shoot it now. I like it because it stays where you put it.
Post by: SAK Guy on January 25, 2017, 08:02:34 AM
Here are mine right now. Three S&W wheel guns: a K22 Masterpiece from the 50s, a Model 19.3 snub in .357 Magnum from the 70s and a new Classic line Model 36 Chiefs Special. And one Uberti Colt 1861 Navy replica (black powder, ball and cap). Shooting them all, except not yet the 1861 Navy that I just got.
Very nice!
I'll see your K22 and M36 and raise you a K38 Masterpiece and M34.
Nice! :tu:
+1!!!!! :cheers:
Post by: SAK Guy on January 25, 2017, 09:02:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXD-rVazNNQ
Post by: David on January 25, 2017, 09:12:04 AM
Here are mine right now. Three S&W wheel guns: a K22 Masterpiece from the 50s, a Model 19.3 snub in .357 Magnum from the 70s and a new Classic line Model 36 Chiefs Special. And one Uberti Colt 1861 Navy replica (black powder, ball and cap). Shooting them all, except not yet the 1861 Navy that I just got.
Very nice!
I'll see your K22 and M36 and raise you a K38 Masterpiece and M34.
Sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :like:
Post by: SAK Guy on January 29, 2017, 05:56:26 AM
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/articles/marines-could-use-army-pistols
Post by: raistlin65 on January 29, 2017, 06:28:44 PM
Interesting. Thanks for the info.
Shot a P320 last summer. Felt good in the hand, but not particularly accurate (may have had an off day or an off pistol). Need to try another one.
Expect there will now be 5 years of law suits.
:cheers: You bet! +1 on the lawsuits!
Looks neat but I'm a dinosaur and need an external hammer. :D
So, get a P-250 which is essentially the same pistol as the 320 but with an external hammer. If the P-320 gives second strike capability on a hard primer without having to rack the slide then it doesn't make much difference to me except that I have a P-250 and I don't have a P-320. I am looking forward to seeing cheap surplus magazines and holsters in the near future though since those will be the same.
I am thinking about a new pistol but it will probably be an HK45 or P226 (Legion)....or I will wait for a P220 Legion....or I will get another 1911 (Colt Combat or Rail or Kimber or ?) or....none of the above. :facepalm:
Was have a little trouble racking the slide on my Commander so tried this and It helped a bunch. Slick stuff. Saw it being used in a Youtube vid a while back and seems to be a great product...could really tell the difference working the slide. Used it on the slide rails and std high friction areas....need to shoot it now. I like it because it stays where you put it.
If you want a 45 and can get a chance, try the Walther PPQ 45. Shoots every bit as good as all of the reviews lauding it says it does.
Post by: SAK Guy on January 31, 2017, 08:04:31 AM
Interesting. Thanks for the info.
Shot a P320 last summer. Felt good in the hand, but not particularly accurate (may have had an off day or an off pistol). Need to try another one.
Expect there will now be 5 years of law suits.
:cheers: You bet! +1 on the lawsuits!
Looks neat but I'm a dinosaur and need an external hammer. :D
So, get a P-250 which is essentially the same pistol as the 320 but with an external hammer. If the P-320 gives second strike capability on a hard primer without having to rack the slide then it doesn't make much difference to me except that I have a P-250 and I don't have a P-320. I am looking forward to seeing cheap surplus magazines and holsters in the near future though since those will be the same.
I am thinking about a new pistol but it will probably be an HK45 or P226 (Legion)....or I will wait for a P220 Legion....or I will get another 1911 (Colt Combat or Rail or Kimber or ?) or....none of the above. :facepalm:
Was have a little trouble racking the slide on my Commander so tried this and It helped a bunch. Slick stuff. Saw it being used in a Youtube vid a while back and seems to be a great product...could really tell the difference working the slide. Used it on the slide rails and std high friction areas....need to shoot it now. I like it because it stays where you put it.
If you want a 45 and can get a chance, try the Walther PPQ 45. Shoots every bit as good as all of the reviews lauding it says it does.
I read it has an excellent trigger! All the vids I've seen on it are really positive!
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 01, 2017, 07:24:15 PM
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2017, 07:28:14 PM
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 01, 2017, 07:32:29 PM
Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2017, 08:35:10 PM
is it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 01, 2017, 08:35:52 PM
Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2017, 08:38:35 PM
is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 01, 2017, 08:39:33 PM
no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2017, 08:43:39 PM
this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 01, 2017, 08:44:38 PM
Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2017, 08:45:52 PM
Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
OK, now we're getting somewhere. :D
is it in 9mm?
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 01, 2017, 08:47:05 PM
Yes!Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
OK, now we're getting somewhere. :D
is it in 9mm?
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2017, 08:48:53 PM
Yes!Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
OK, now we're getting somewhere. :D
is it in 9mm?
is it a Glock?
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 01, 2017, 08:49:20 PM
No! >:DYes!Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
OK, now we're getting somewhere. :D
is it in 9mm?
is it a Glock?
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2017, 08:51:11 PM
No! >:DYes!Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
OK, now we're getting somewhere. :D
is it in 9mm?
is it a Glock?
Damn.
is it an American brand?
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 01, 2017, 08:52:00 PM
Yes!No! >:DYes!Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
OK, now we're getting somewhere. :D
is it in 9mm?
is it a Glock?
Damn.
is it an American brand?
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2017, 08:55:21 PM
Yes!No! >:DYes!Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
OK, now we're getting somewhere. :D
is it in 9mm?
is it a Glock?
Damn.
is it an American brand?
OK, I'm having to start thinking now.
Is it a Colt?
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 01, 2017, 08:55:59 PM
No!Yes!No! >:DYes!Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
OK, now we're getting somewhere. :D
is it in 9mm?
is it a Glock?
Damn.
is it an American brand?
OK, I'm having to start thinking now.
Is it a Colt?
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2017, 08:57:37 PM
No!Yes!No! >:DYes!Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
OK, now we're getting somewhere. :D
is it in 9mm?
is it a Glock?
Damn.
is it an American brand?
OK, I'm having to start thinking now.
Is it a Colt?
is it a Kahr?
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 01, 2017, 08:58:30 PM
No!No!Yes!No! >:DYes!Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
OK, now we're getting somewhere. :D
is it in 9mm?
is it a Glock?
Damn.
is it an American brand?
OK, I'm having to start thinking now.
Is it a Colt?
is it a Kahr?
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2017, 08:59:22 PM
No!No!Yes!No! >:DYes!Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
OK, now we're getting somewhere. :D
is it in 9mm?
is it a Glock?
Damn.
is it an American brand?
OK, I'm having to start thinking now.
Is it a Colt?
is it a Kahr?
Kel-Tek?
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 01, 2017, 08:59:43 PM
Nope!No!No!Yes!No! >:DYes!Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
OK, now we're getting somewhere. :D
is it in 9mm?
is it a Glock?
Damn.
is it an American brand?
OK, I'm having to start thinking now.
Is it a Colt?
is it a Kahr?
Kel-Tek?
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2017, 09:01:12 PM
Nope!No!No!Yes!No! >:DYes!Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
OK, now we're getting somewhere. :D
is it in 9mm?
is it a Glock?
Damn.
is it an American brand?
OK, I'm having to start thinking now.
Is it a Colt?
is it a Kahr?
Kel-Tek?
Ruger?
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 01, 2017, 09:03:38 PM
NadaNope!No!No!Yes!No! >:DYes!Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
OK, now we're getting somewhere. :D
is it in 9mm?
is it a Glock?
Damn.
is it an American brand?
OK, I'm having to start thinking now.
Is it a Colt?
is it a Kahr?
Kel-Tek?
Ruger?
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2017, 09:05:14 PM
NadaNope!No!No!Yes!No! >:DYes!Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
OK, now we're getting somewhere. :D
is it in 9mm?
is it a Glock?
Damn.
is it an American brand?
OK, I'm having to start thinking now.
Is it a Colt?
is it a Kahr?
Kel-Tek?
Ruger?
I thought I might have had it there.
OK, how about a S&W?
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 01, 2017, 09:06:05 PM
Yes!!NadaNope!No!No!Yes!No! >:DYes!Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
OK, now we're getting somewhere. :D
is it in 9mm?
is it a Glock?
Damn.
is it an American brand?
OK, I'm having to start thinking now.
Is it a Colt?
is it a Kahr?
Kel-Tek?
Ruger?
I thought I might have had it there.
OK, how about a S&W?
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2017, 09:08:51 PM
Yes!!NadaNope!No!No!Yes!No! >:DYes!Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
OK, now we're getting somewhere. :D
is it in 9mm?
is it a Glock?
Damn.
is it an American brand?
OK, I'm having to start thinking now.
Is it a Colt?
is it a Kahr?
Kel-Tek?
Ruger?
I thought I might have had it there.
OK, how about a S&W?
M&P?
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 01, 2017, 09:10:55 PM
YepYes!!NadaNope!No!No!Yes!No! >:DYes!Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
OK, now we're getting somewhere. :D
is it in 9mm?
is it a Glock?
Damn.
is it an American brand?
OK, I'm having to start thinking now.
Is it a Colt?
is it a Kahr?
Kel-Tek?
Ruger?
I thought I might have had it there.
OK, how about a S&W?
M&P?
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2017, 09:13:02 PM
YepYes!!NadaNope!No!No!Yes!No! >:DYes!Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
OK, now we're getting somewhere. :D
is it in 9mm?
is it a Glock?
Damn.
is it an American brand?
OK, I'm having to start thinking now.
Is it a Colt?
is it a Kahr?
Kel-Tek?
Ruger?
I thought I might have had it there.
OK, how about a S&W?
M&P?
Shield?
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 01, 2017, 09:14:29 PM
Not just any Shield!YepYes!!NadaNope!No!No!Yes!No! >:DYes!Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
OK, now we're getting somewhere. :D
is it in 9mm?
is it a Glock?
Damn.
is it an American brand?
OK, I'm having to start thinking now.
Is it a Colt?
is it a Kahr?
Kel-Tek?
Ruger?
I thought I might have had it there.
OK, how about a S&W?
M&P?
Shield?
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2017, 09:20:11 PM
Not just any Shield!YepYes!!NadaNope!No!No!Yes!No! >:DYes!Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
OK, now we're getting somewhere. :D
is it in 9mm?
is it a Glock?
Damn.
is it an American brand?
OK, I'm having to start thinking now.
Is it a Colt?
is it a Kahr?
Kel-Tek?
Ruger?
I thought I might have had it there.
OK, how about a S&W?
M&P?
Shield?
Oh come on! You'll be wanting me to guess the serial number as well. :D
Is it a Performance Center?
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 01, 2017, 09:20:46 PM
(not my pic)Not just any Shield!YepYes!!NadaNope!No!No!Yes!No! >:DYes!Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
OK, now we're getting somewhere. :D
is it in 9mm?
is it a Glock?
Damn.
is it an American brand?
OK, I'm having to start thinking now.
Is it a Colt?
is it a Kahr?
Kel-Tek?
Ruger?
I thought I might have had it there.
OK, how about a S&W?
M&P?
Shield?
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 01, 2017, 09:22:20 PM
Yep!!! :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh We have a winner!!!!!! ding ding ding ding! :multi: :whistle: :mail: :drool: :o :woohoo:Not just any Shield!YepYes!!NadaNope!No!No!Yes!No! >:DYes!Yes! :woohoo:this is going well. :doh:no :facepalm:is it a smoothbore?Nois it a rifle?Tease. :pok:Ill give you 20 questions! :ahhh
is it a pistol?
OK, now we're getting somewhere. :D
is it in 9mm?
is it a Glock?
Damn.
is it an American brand?
OK, I'm having to start thinking now.
Is it a Colt?
is it a Kahr?
Kel-Tek?
Ruger?
I thought I might have had it there.
OK, how about a S&W?
M&P?
Shield?
Oh come on! You'll be wanting me to guess the serial number as well. :D
Is it a Performance Center?
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 01, 2017, 09:23:05 PM
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2017, 09:25:20 PM
Cool new M&P Shield Performance Center Ported with Night Sights. 8)
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 01, 2017, 09:32:10 PM
:woohoo: So what do I win? :DActually i got the fiber optic version but anyways, you just won yourself a free Jeep! You will have to drive to Canada to get it however.... just call our friend Grant Lamontagne and ask for the address! Don't tell him why though! When you get to the provided address, your free Jeep should be in the driveway!
Cool new M&P Shield Performance Center Ported with Night Sights. 8)
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 01, 2017, 11:22:10 PM
HK USP 9mm, 50 rounds at 25 feet.
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2017, 11:23:40 PM
Excellent! I'll just send you all my bank details and personal information so as you can cover my travel expenses. :tu::woohoo: So what do I win? :DActually i got the fiber optic version but anyways, you just won yourself a free Jeep! You will have to drive to Canada to get it however.... just call our friend Grant Lamontagne and ask for the address! Don't tell him why though! When you get to the provided address, your free Jeep should be in the driveway!
Cool new M&P Shield Performance Center Ported with Night Sights. 8)
Post by: Smashie on February 01, 2017, 11:42:31 PM
Solid session at the range today.
HK USP 9mm, 50 rounds at 25 feet.
Good grouping, what ammo?
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 02, 2017, 12:01:16 AM
Solid session at the range today.Very nice!!! On my way to the range now.
HK USP 9mm, 50 rounds at 25 feet.
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 02, 2017, 12:05:41 AM
Be sure to include social security number, a copy of your drivers license, and at least two credit cards.Excellent! I'll just send you all my bank details and personal information so as you can cover my travel expenses. :tu::woohoo: So what do I win? :DActually i got the fiber optic version but anyways, you just won yourself a free Jeep! You will have to drive to Canada to get it however.... just call our friend Grant Lamontagne and ask for the address! Don't tell him why though! When you get to the provided address, your free Jeep should be in the driveway!
Cool new M&P Shield Performance Center Ported with Night Sights. 8)
Post by: SAK Guy on February 02, 2017, 01:17:58 AM
:woohoo: So what do I win? :DActually i got the fiber optic version but anyways, you just won yourself a free Jeep! You will have to drive to Canada to get it however.... just call our friend Grant Lamontagne and ask for the address! Don't tell him why though! When you get to the provided address, your free Jeep should be in the driveway!
Cool new M&P Shield Performance Center Ported with Night Sights. 8)
Congrats Goo!!!! :cheers: :cheers:
Post by: SAK Guy on February 02, 2017, 01:19:13 AM
Solid session at the range today.
HK USP 9mm, 50 rounds at 25 feet.
That's just awesome Karl!!! :cheers: :cheers:
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 02, 2017, 04:25:17 AM
Solid session at the range today.
HK USP 9mm, 50 rounds at 25 feet.
Good grouping, what ammo?
Think that was Remington. Had a box each of Remington, Federal and brass Blazer. Was also doing first round DA, second round SA (most of them pretty centered, but a few high and right). One handed (pretty decent right handed, all over with the left hand).
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 02, 2017, 04:25:53 AM
Solid session at the range today.Very nice!!! On my way to the range now.
HK USP 9mm, 50 rounds at 25 feet.
Have fun! :cheers:
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 02, 2017, 04:27:12 AM
Solid session at the range today.
HK USP 9mm, 50 rounds at 25 feet.
That's just awesome Karl!!! :cheers: :cheers:
Thanks. Try and get out once a month to keep the hand and eye in. :cheers:
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 02, 2017, 05:05:13 AM
Thanks! I have had about 7-10 failure to return to batteries in the 280 or so rounds I've put through it so far. I was thinking it was just the breaking in process but I'm starting to get a little concerned. When it happens the slide sticks in the full rearward position (past the slide lock) with the slide lock disengaged (still rounds left in the magazine). A tap on the back of the slide puts it right back into battery. Not something I want to deal with for the whole life of my first polymer gun. Does anyone have any insight into this? I may call my gun shop about it tomorrow. Hopefully will not have to send it back to s&w and wait weeks or months for it. Although i would rather do that than keep the issue! Any insight appreciated!:woohoo: So what do I win? :DActually i got the fiber optic version but anyways, you just won yourself a free Jeep! You will have to drive to Canada to get it however.... just call our friend Grant Lamontagne and ask for the address! Don't tell him why though! When you get to the provided address, your free Jeep should be in the driveway!
Cool new M&P Shield Performance Center Ported with Night Sights. 8)
Congrats Goo!!!! :cheers: :cheers:
Post by: Gareth on February 02, 2017, 10:01:33 AM
Thanks! I have had about 7-10 failure to return to batteries in the 280 or so rounds I've put through it so far. I was thinking it was just the breaking in process but I'm starting to get a little concerned. When it happens the slide sticks in the full rearward position (past the slide lock) with the slide lock disengaged (still rounds left in the magazine). A tap on the back of the slide puts it right back into battery. Not something I want to deal with for the whole life of my first polymer gun. Does anyone have any insight into this? I may call my gun shop about it tomorrow. Hopefully will not have to send it back to s&w and wait weeks or months for it. Although i would rather do that than keep the issue! Any insight appreciated!:woohoo: So what do I win? :DActually i got the fiber optic version but anyways, you just won yourself a free Jeep! You will have to drive to Canada to get it however.... just call our friend Grant Lamontagne and ask for the address! Don't tell him why though! When you get to the provided address, your free Jeep should be in the driveway!
Cool new M&P Shield Performance Center Ported with Night Sights. 8)
Congrats Goo!!!! :cheers: :cheers:
Is it happening with different ammo?
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 02, 2017, 12:02:14 PM
I think it happened with both kinds i shot: magtech and federal white box... both 115 gr fmj. I shot MUCH more magtech than white box. I probably only shot about 20-30 white box at the end. I also shot 5 rounds of my current defense load but it had no issue. Hornady CD 115 gr.Thanks! I have had about 7-10 failure to return to batteries in the 280 or so rounds I've put through it so far. I was thinking it was just the breaking in process but I'm starting to get a little concerned. When it happens the slide sticks in the full rearward position (past the slide lock) with the slide lock disengaged (still rounds left in the magazine). A tap on the back of the slide puts it right back into battery. Not something I want to deal with for the whole life of my first polymer gun. Does anyone have any insight into this? I may call my gun shop about it tomorrow. Hopefully will not have to send it back to s&w and wait weeks or months for it. Although i would rather do that than keep the issue! Any insight appreciated!:woohoo: So what do I win? :DActually i got the fiber optic version but anyways, you just won yourself a free Jeep! You will have to drive to Canada to get it however.... just call our friend Grant Lamontagne and ask for the address! Don't tell him why though! When you get to the provided address, your free Jeep should be in the driveway!
Cool new M&P Shield Performance Center Ported with Night Sights. 8)
Congrats Goo!!!! :cheers: :cheers:
Is it happening with different ammo?
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 02, 2017, 11:42:31 PM
Post by: ironraven on February 04, 2017, 02:52:58 AM
I think it happened with both kinds i shot: magtech and federal white box... both 115 gr fmj. I shot MUCH more magtech than white box. I probably only shot about 20-30 white box at the end. I also shot 5 rounds of my current defense load but it had no issue. Hornady CD 115 gr.
Very her diet a bit. I would try some 124gr ammo in it, and some hotter 115gr. You don't have to run something like Horandy CD +p, but if you've been running Federal's white, RTP ammo, it is certainly less omphy than their AE or Champion loads- when I take it to the range, I probably have about a third of the brass hit my hat or shoulders on it's way back down. I'd say pick up 200 rounds of the aluminum cased ammo (it's cheap) and run it. Do slow drills, don't just blast, but see if you get more glitching. Make an afternoon of it- worst case, you're doing immediate action drills.
It is a new pistol- some things may still be working in. This is a high count for that, but that could be the case. I would certainly take her into the shop, and ask them to look it over, including mic'ing the slide and rails as well as checking the weight of the recoil spring. I would also wonder maybe if it is the magazine- my brother has a Bodygaurd, and one of the mags he got was apparently a tiny bit out of spec. It glitched about one round in 20 much like you describe, but it was only that one magazine. He blue banded it for training purposes only, but after a couple years he's had the mag wear down a little and at christmas he said it hadn't glitched in months.
Post by: SAK Guy on February 04, 2017, 05:33:23 AM
Ironravens's mag idea is a good thing to check....any rub to the top of the mag lips or bottom of the slide?
Post by: SAK Guy on February 07, 2017, 10:52:21 PM
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/Scope%20check%202-7-17_zpstmrkz1qr.jpg)
I guess it is...no need to waste ammo. :D
Post by: Gareth on February 07, 2017, 10:57:36 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on February 07, 2017, 11:00:36 PM
Looks just about good enough to me mate. :D
Thx! Thought I had missed the entire target till I walked over there. :rofl:
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 08, 2017, 01:49:34 AM
Well, needed to check if my scope was still on with that new .22LR hunting ammo.....
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/Scope%20check%202-7-17_zpstmrkz1qr.jpg)
I guess it is...no need to waste ammo. :D
I guess its ok, but wasting ammo is part of the fun! :D
What type of rifle is that?
Post by: SAK Guy on February 08, 2017, 02:09:51 AM
Well, needed to check if my scope was still on with that new .22LR hunting ammo.....
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/Scope%20check%202-7-17_zpstmrkz1qr.jpg)
I guess it is...no need to waste ammo. :D
I guess its ok, but wasting ammo is part of the fun! :D
What type of rifle is that?
:D It's an '89 vintage 881 Marlin. Got it used after the fire from a friend of our family. Been perfect. It's a full sized rifle with a fancy walnut stock..I really like it.
Post by: ironraven on February 08, 2017, 02:33:28 AM
Well, needed to check if my scope was still on with that new .22LR hunting ammo.....
Once could be luck. Five shots, cold barrelled, just like this one... that means that the system is still working properly. Including you. :D
Post by: SAK Guy on February 08, 2017, 03:20:05 AM
Well, needed to check if my scope was still on with that new .22LR hunting ammo.....
Once could be luck. Five shots, cold barrelled, just like this one... that means that the system is still working properly. Including you. :D
:cheers: :salute: That's the right way to do it but since I feel rotten most days (today was no different) and with nearly 50 years of experience behind me, I'm pretty satisfied my systems are copacetic (enough). :D I was really just curious where that new (to me) CCI 45gr subsonic ammo was hitting with this rifle. It's POI seems to be close to the ammo I checked the rifle with a couple of years ago. It was that junky Federal Lightning stuff.
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 08, 2017, 03:32:33 AM
That's an odd malfunction. In that extreme rearward position, the recoil spring is fully compressed....it could be binding as well. A replacement recoil spring might fix it but on a new gun I would want them to fix it or replace it.
Ironravens's mag idea is a good thing to check....any rub to the top of the mag lips or bottom of the slide?
Not that I have noticed. I shot about 70 more rounds the other day, gun ran smoothly with no malfunctions.
Post by: SAK Guy on February 08, 2017, 03:34:43 AM
That's an odd malfunction. In that extreme rearward position, the recoil spring is fully compressed....it could be binding as well. A replacement recoil spring might fix it but on a new gun I would want them to fix it or replace it.
Ironravens's mag idea is a good thing to check....any rub to the top of the mag lips or bottom of the slide?
Not that I have noticed. I shot about 70 more rounds the other day, gun ran smoothly with no malfunctions.
Good deal! Maybe it just needed a little range time!! :cheers:
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 08, 2017, 04:03:23 AM
Hopefully so!!That's an odd malfunction. In that extreme rearward position, the recoil spring is fully compressed....it could be binding as well. A replacement recoil spring might fix it but on a new gun I would want them to fix it or replace it.
Ironravens's mag idea is a good thing to check....any rub to the top of the mag lips or bottom of the slide?
Not that I have noticed. I shot about 70 more rounds the other day, gun ran smoothly with no malfunctions.
Good deal! Maybe it just needed a little range time!! :cheers:
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 08, 2017, 06:11:42 AM
That's an odd malfunction. In that extreme rearward position, the recoil spring is fully compressed....it could be binding as well. A replacement recoil spring might fix it but on a new gun I would want them to fix it or replace it.
Ironravens's mag idea is a good thing to check....any rub to the top of the mag lips or bottom of the slide?
Not that I have noticed. I shot about 70 more rounds the other day, gun ran smoothly with no malfunctions.
Glad to hear things are smoothing out. :tu:
Post by: David on February 08, 2017, 07:35:34 AM
Well, needed to check if my scope was still on with that new .22LR hunting ammo.....
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/Scope%20check%202-7-17_zpstmrkz1qr.jpg)
I guess it is...no need to waste ammo. :D
Good shootin Robert! :like:
Post by: SAK Guy on February 08, 2017, 08:27:15 PM
Well, needed to check if my scope was still on with that new .22LR hunting ammo.....
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/Scope%20check%202-7-17_zpstmrkz1qr.jpg)
I guess it is...no need to waste ammo. :D
Good shootin Robert! :like:
Thanks buddy!!! :cheers: That rifle was probably the best 100 bucks I ever spent and it helped our friend out. The rifle was her late husband's..she found it stuck back in one of their closets.
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 09, 2017, 02:55:56 AM
Well, needed to check if my scope was still on with that new .22LR hunting ammo.....
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/Scope%20check%202-7-17_zpstmrkz1qr.jpg)
I guess it is...no need to waste ammo. :D
Good shootin Robert! :like:
Thanks buddy!!! :cheers: That rifle was probably the best 100 bucks I ever spent and it helped our friend out. The rifle was her late husband's..she found it stuck back in one of their closets.
Great price for a nice rifle. :tu:
Post by: SAK Guy on February 13, 2017, 06:38:53 PM
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/Case%20Trapper%202-13-17_zpsodfyzjse.jpg)
Post by: ducttapetech on February 13, 2017, 06:43:30 PM
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 13, 2017, 06:43:32 PM
Was cleaning the Rugers this morning....Feel free to send them to me for "cleaning" ;)
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/Case%20Trapper%202-13-17_zpsodfyzjse.jpg)
Post by: SAK Guy on February 13, 2017, 06:50:45 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 13, 2017, 08:37:41 PM
Last week I got a very good deal on a Beretta 92G (decocker rather than safety), and as you can see it shoots very well indeed.
Beretta 92G 9mm; 50 rounds at 25 feet.
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 13, 2017, 08:40:04 PM
Was cleaning the Rugers this morning....
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/Case%20Trapper%202-13-17_zpsodfyzjse.jpg)
Nice guns. What calibers?
Post by: SAK Guy on February 13, 2017, 08:43:11 PM
Owned a Beretta 92SB for a number of years. In a weak moment I traded it in on a stainless Beretta Brigadier. The Brigadier never shot worth a darn, not even after a trigger job, and was sold.
Last week I got a very good deal on a Beretta 92G (decocker rather than safety), and as you can see it shoots very well indeed.
Beretta 92G 9mm; 50 rounds at 25 feet.
Nice Beretta and good shooting Karl!!!
Post by: SAK Guy on February 13, 2017, 08:44:54 PM
Was cleaning the Rugers this morning....
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/Case%20Trapper%202-13-17_zpsodfyzjse.jpg)
Nice guns. What calibers?
Thanks!!!! Both rimfires, Dad's has the .22 Mag cylinder and mine has the reg .22 LR cylinder.
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 13, 2017, 08:49:58 PM
Post by: G-Dizzle on February 13, 2017, 09:50:02 PM
Owned a Beretta 92SB for a number of years. In a weak moment I traded it in on a stainless Beretta Brigadier. The Brigadier never shot worth a darn, not even after a trigger job, and was sold.Good shooting!!
Last week I got a very good deal on a Beretta 92G (decocker rather than safety), and as you can see it shoots very well indeed.
Beretta 92G 9mm; 50 rounds at 25 feet.
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 13, 2017, 10:48:14 PM
Owned a Beretta 92SB for a number of years. In a weak moment I traded it in on a stainless Beretta Brigadier. The Brigadier never shot worth a darn, not even after a trigger job, and was sold.Good shooting!!
Last week I got a very good deal on a Beretta 92G (decocker rather than safety), and as you can see it shoots very well indeed.
Beretta 92G 9mm; 50 rounds at 25 feet.
Thanks. :cheers:
Post by: SAK Guy on February 16, 2017, 11:36:21 PM
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/Case%20Yellow%20Trapper%202-16-17_zpsv5yhcsie.jpg)
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 16, 2017, 11:46:41 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on February 16, 2017, 11:51:23 PM
Single-action revolvers and outside-hammer shotguns. Going retro on us.
:D High tech gear (back in the 1880's)! :cheers:
Post by: Gareth on February 17, 2017, 09:38:25 AM
Took a pic of my Case Trapper with my 70's Rossi/Garcia 20ga Coach Gun.
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/Case%20Yellow%20Trapper%202-16-17_zpsv5yhcsie.jpg)
Sweet shotgun SG. :salute:
Post by: Chako on February 17, 2017, 12:36:38 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on February 17, 2017, 01:02:04 PM
I love the old rabbit ears.Single-action revolvers and outside-hammer shotguns. Going retro on us.
:D High tech gear (back in the 1880's)! :cheers:
Post by: cbl51 on February 17, 2017, 03:26:33 PM
Single-action revolvers and outside-hammer shotguns. Going retro on us.
They will still ruin a burglars night! :D
Post by: SAK Guy on February 17, 2017, 03:58:52 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on February 17, 2017, 04:06:26 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 19, 2017, 07:20:40 AM
Had another visitor rooting around on the porch late last night! :D
The Texas Free Range Zoo.
Post by: SAK Guy on February 21, 2017, 08:40:12 PM
Had another visitor rooting around on the porch late last night! :D
The Texas Free Range Zoo.
:rofl: It sure is!!!!
Big Stinky was back last night. My cuz asked why I didn't shoot him and it's because my jeep makes a poor bullet trap. :facepalm:
And my daughter sent me this after the appearance of the "party possum" last week!!!! :D
Post by: ducttapetech on February 21, 2017, 09:43:34 PM
I got an opossum that shows up at night and gets into the cats food bowl at night. They all seem to get along well.
Post by: Gareth on February 21, 2017, 10:14:16 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on February 21, 2017, 10:18:03 PM
Now it might be because we don't get them here, but am I weird in thinking that opossums are quite cute? :think:They don't bother me. I think they are cool looking. They are just a four legged buzzard with a rat tail. I know alot of people go out of there way to kill them, but I dont.
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 21, 2017, 10:55:34 PM
.38 Special 50 rds @ 25 ft.
Starting to get my reflexes and eye back in. (Though its hard to shoot poorly with a Smith target revolver. :D )
Post by: ducttapetech on February 21, 2017, 10:56:28 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 21, 2017, 11:07:33 PM
Nice grouping. How many meters?
25 feet would be about 7 or 8 meters.
Post by: Gareth on February 21, 2017, 11:08:32 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on February 21, 2017, 11:09:07 PM
In that case, very nice grouping.Nice grouping. How many meters?
25 feet would be about 7 or 8 meters.
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 21, 2017, 11:28:01 PM
In that case, very nice grouping.Nice grouping. How many meters?
25 feet would be about 7 or 8 meters.
Thanks. :cheers:
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 21, 2017, 11:32:02 PM
Good shooting Colo. :hatsoff:
Thanks. :cheers:
Some years back I knew a wildlife rehabilitator (a person who cares for injured wildlife so it can be released back into the woods). He had several possums at various times and thought they were nice animals. However they do need some caution in handling as they have a lot of large sharp teeth.
Post by: SAK Guy on February 22, 2017, 02:45:38 AM
Now it might be because we don't get them here, but am I weird in thinking that opossums are quite cute? :think:They don't bother me. I think they are cool looking. They are just a four legged buzzard with a rat tail. I know alot of people go out of there way to kill them, but I dont.
Me either, they don't carry rabies and I would real feel bad if I popped the party possum.... :rofl:
Post by: SAK Guy on February 22, 2017, 02:47:29 AM
In that case, very nice grouping.Nice grouping. How many meters?
25 feet would be about 7 or 8 meters.
Nice work Karl!!! :cheers: :cheers: Nice Smith too!!! :salute:
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 22, 2017, 03:23:59 AM
In that case, very nice grouping.Nice grouping. How many meters?
25 feet would be about 7 or 8 meters.
Nice work Karl!!! :cheers: :cheers: Nice Smith too!!! :salute:
Thanks. :cheers:
Post by: SAK Guy on February 25, 2017, 01:27:49 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on February 25, 2017, 02:18:40 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on February 25, 2017, 04:10:23 AM
Hope it works smoothly. :cheers:
Thx Karl!!!! They are rooting about 40 yards from the house now so maybe I'll be out early or late and can get a shot.
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 02, 2017, 04:08:47 AM
That's an odd malfunction. In that extreme rearward position, the recoil spring is fully compressed....it could be binding as well. A replacement recoil spring might fix it but on a new gun I would want them to fix it or replace it.
Ironravens's mag idea is a good thing to check....any rub to the top of the mag lips or bottom of the slide?
Not that I have noticed. I shot about 70 more rounds the other day, gun ran smoothly with no malfunctions.
Good deal! Maybe it just needed a little range time!! :cheers:
She has a total of 550 rounds through her now with one more malfunction. I caught it on video. Also a few times i noticed it hiccup when chambering a new round. I was able to recreate the problem when I got home. It happened near the 520 round mark i think.
What are your thoughts? It only actually locked back once during live fire. I have a video of it as evidence
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Post by: G-Dizzle on March 02, 2017, 04:09:17 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on March 04, 2017, 02:06:57 AM
As you can see the slide lock is not engaged
Yeah....in my mind, 520 rds is plenty for a break in period. If you're going to carry or use it for self defense, it would bug me. You probably paid a lot of money for it and it should be worry free with no probs esp if it's a defensive gun.
If it were mine....
I would call Smith, then email them the pics/video. That's a weird kind of stoppage for no apparent reason. See if they will give you a different gun or look over yours. They may have a service center near you. Or get on the Smith gun boards and ask if anyone has had the same prob with that particular gun.
My prob is I haven't bought a new gun in 20+ years so I don't know what the norm is now. Maybe a couple stoppages in 500+ rounds is the norm for such a high tech compact pistol? There's a lot of technology in a small package there... "Back in the day" we didn't compete or carry a gun that wasn't 100% reliable but I'm out of touch since I don't own a firearm that was made after the mid 90's. :facepalm:
Post by: ironraven on March 04, 2017, 02:23:26 AM
Over 500 rounds, you're out of the break in period for a modern pistol from a major manufacturer. And what you're showing isn't normal.
When the slide is back like that, can you wiggle the barrel?
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 04, 2017, 02:24:47 AM
Yeah.... Have you someone who's gone through S&W's armourer's course for the M&P in your area? Something about that does look funky, maybe a bad spring.I can wiggle the barrel. At least I think i can. I have also noticed that when I press check it i have to manually put the gun back into battery
Over 500 rounds, you're out of the break in period for a modern pistol from a major manufacturer. And what you're showing isn't normal.
When the slide is back like that, can you wiggle the barrel?
Post by: SAK Guy on March 04, 2017, 05:36:52 AM
Yeah.... Have you someone who's gone through S&W's armourer's course for the M&P in your area? Something about that does look funky, maybe a bad spring.I can wiggle the barrel. At least I think i can. I have also noticed that when I press check it i have to manually put the gun back into battery
Over 500 rounds, you're out of the break in period for a modern pistol from a major manufacturer. And what you're showing isn't normal.
When the slide is back like that, can you wiggle the barrel?
Refresh my memory, did you replace the recoil spring? That slowing down/binding at the end of the stroke may be a bad/weak spring.
And your sure all the slide/frame bearing surfaces are clean, greased/oiled and burr free?
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 05, 2017, 02:53:58 AM
I have not replaced the spring and all surfaces have been cleaned to the best of my ability. The pic is from after I was shooting, before the gun was cleaned after about 200 or so rounds.Yeah.... Have you someone who's gone through S&W's armourer's course for the M&P in your area? Something about that does look funky, maybe a bad spring.I can wiggle the barrel. At least I think i can. I have also noticed that when I press check it i have to manually put the gun back into battery
Over 500 rounds, you're out of the break in period for a modern pistol from a major manufacturer. And what you're showing isn't normal.
When the slide is back like that, can you wiggle the barrel?
Refresh my memory, did you replace the recoil spring? That slowing down/binding at the end of the stroke may be a bad/weak spring.
And your sure all the slide/frame bearing surfaces are clean, greased/oiled and burr free?
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 05, 2017, 04:00:53 AM
As you can see the slide lock is not engaged
Yeah....in my mind, 520 rds is plenty for a break in period. If you're going to carry or use it for self defense, it would bug me. You probably paid a lot of money for it and it should be worry free with no probs esp if it's a defensive gun.
If it were mine....
I would call Smith, then email them the pics/video. That's a weird kind of stoppage for no apparent reason. See if they will give you a different gun or look over yours. They may have a service center near you. Or get on the Smith gun boards and ask if anyone has had the same prob with that particular gun.
My prob is I haven't bought a new gun in 20+ years so I don't know what the norm is now. Maybe a couple stoppages in 500+ rounds is the norm for such a high tech compact pistol? There's a lot of technology in a small package there... "Back in the day" we didn't compete or carry a gun that wasn't 100% reliable but I'm out of touch since I don't own a firearm that was made after the mid 90's. :facepalm:
No, not no but smurf no.
Ain't no Smith M&P that should not run out of the box.
When I was a PO in Detroit we had tons of M&P .40s and I never even heard of one not running likke a champ.
Smith is suppose to have great customer service I would contact them and have them sort it out.
Post by: cbl51 on March 05, 2017, 05:43:11 PM
As you can see the slide lock is not engaged
Yeah....in my mind, 520 rds is plenty for a break in period. If you're going to carry or use it for self defense, it would bug me. You probably paid a lot of money for it and it should be worry free with no probs esp if it's a defensive gun.
If it were mine....
I would call Smith, then email them the pics/video. That's a weird kind of stoppage for no apparent reason. See if they will give you a different gun or look over yours. They may have a service center near you. Or get on the Smith gun boards and ask if anyone has had the same prob with that particular gun.
My prob is I haven't bought a new gun in 20+ years so I don't know what the norm is now. Maybe a couple stoppages in 500+ rounds is the norm for such a high tech compact pistol? There's a lot of technology in a small package there... "Back in the day" we didn't compete or carry a gun that wasn't 100% reliable but I'm out of touch since I don't own a firearm that was made after the mid 90's. :facepalm:
No, if anything, things have got much better in the small auto scene. Two and a half years ago, I got a brand new Glock 26 gen 4 in 9mm. In the few thousand rounds I've put through the gun so far, there has not been a single malfunction of any kind. So it can be done. Any finicky behavior is not to be tolerated in a self defense type of pistol. I was a hard core died in the wool revolver man, and took a lot to bring me over to the Glock.
Post by: SAK Guy on March 06, 2017, 03:28:44 PM
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 06, 2017, 03:32:28 PM
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 07, 2017, 04:54:55 AM
The smurfing sight came out of the sight hole thing! Good grief. It came out as the slide went back after firing a round and hit me in the shoulder. You have got to be kidding me. I know fiber optics arent widely popular for ccw but these are supposed to be like cemented in there according to what i heard. I was just shooting her a little more before sending it to gun store i bought it from tomorrow so they can take a look. This on top of the recoil spring problem us just flat out frustrating. This is my first s&w. I bought performance center expecting top quality work.. i have heard that their customer service is good. We may find out shortly. I hope so. I really really want to love this gun. I'm trying to. I like the s&w company and I know from what I've read that this isn't normal with them. Hopefully this can get worked out quickly. Sorry for the :rant: . I really want this to go well as buying a brand new gun is a big deal for me. Its disappointing to be having these issues at 650 rounds if the first month or two. Or really at any round count and time period.
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Post by: G-Dizzle on March 07, 2017, 05:09:54 AM
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Post by: ColoSwiss on March 07, 2017, 06:30:17 AM
That's as good as I'm doing with a 6" bbl target revolver.
Hope you can get your Smith squared away.
Post by: Gareth on March 07, 2017, 12:51:06 PM
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 07, 2017, 02:37:19 PM
Sorry hear about your M&P woes mate. :( When it is working well how do you like it? BTW good shooting with the .380 :tu:When it is working well the trigger (the main reason i had for going with the pc model) pulls like a dream and it is acceptably accurate. I haven't shot anywhere near as well as i shot that .380 though, although that is probably my fault. I shoot low and to the left a good bit which makes me think I'm anticipating the recoil too much.
Here is 8 shots at 30 feet with the shield(after the sight fell off so i was just looking through a hole). I think this was my best grouping of the day. Both the shield and the bodyguard i shot only standing no rest.
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Post by: G-Dizzle on March 07, 2017, 02:41:41 PM
Post by: SAK Guy on March 07, 2017, 05:58:09 PM
Good shooting! :cheers:
That's as good as I'm doing with a 6" bbl target revolver.
Hope you can get your Smith squared away.
+100!!!!! :cheers:
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 08, 2017, 03:18:09 PM
Post by: Smashie on March 09, 2017, 09:59:11 AM
http://www.fanzoj.com/en/gunroom/custom_built_weapons/other_rifles/vierling.html
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 09, 2017, 07:35:16 PM
Heard from the gun store owner i bought the gun from who I was having shoot my gun for diagnosis. He shot 200-250 rounds through the gun until, get this....
The frame cracked.
Yup. My brand new S&W M&P, performance center no less, frame cracked at 800 or so rounds. That being said, I completely trust the guy who was shooting it. He seems like a great guy and definitely knows his firearms and how to handle them, so I am not faulting him at all for this. He is also handling this situation very well for me. He is going to deal with S&W directly with the faulty gun and as soon as he gets another of these guns in stock, he will give it to me (with paperwork and everything of course) He has been great to deal with through the whole process.
So, when I get my 2nd brand new Shield I will post another update.
Post by: Smashie on March 09, 2017, 07:38:21 PM
Update on my Shield situation:
Heard from the gun store owner i bought the gun from who I was having shoot my gun for diagnosis. He shot 200-250 rounds through the gun until, get this....
The frame cracked.
Yup. My brand new S&W M&P, performance center no less, frame cracked at 800 or so rounds. That being said, I completely trust the guy who was shooting it. He seems like a great guy and definitely knows his firearms and how to handle them, so I am not faulting him at all for this. He is also handling this situation very well for me. He is going to deal with S&W directly with the faulty gun and as soon as he gets another of these guns in stock, he will give it to me (with paperwork and everything of course) He has been great to deal with through the whole process.
So, when I get my 2nd brand new Shield I will post another update.
OK not heard of that before, good to hear you have a good gunshop to deal with :tu:
Post by: Gareth on March 09, 2017, 08:32:26 PM
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 09, 2017, 09:21:40 PM
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Post by: Gareth on March 09, 2017, 10:44:26 PM
Post by: Smashie on March 09, 2017, 10:48:12 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on March 10, 2017, 12:43:46 AM
Good job that didn't fail while you were using it :tu:
+1 Yikes!
Maybe you need to consider trading the replacement in on something else.
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 10, 2017, 01:06:10 AM
I would consider it but given the track record that s&w usually has and the fact that it is made in my own country I think I will stick with it. Plus the store owner didn't really offer to let me swap, he just offered me a new gun of the same model. If i were to swap though it would be for the Springfield xds.Good job that didn't fail while you were using it :tu:
+1 Yikes!
Maybe you need to consider trading the replacement in on something else.
Post by: ironraven on March 10, 2017, 02:45:16 AM
One question. Everything you fed it was jacketed, right? I've seen photos of a Glock that failed like this, after someone who couldn't read the manual had fed it a lot of soft cast bullets, not even gas checked. Ultimate THOU SHALT NOT with polygonal rifling- don't know if the M&P has that or not.
Also seen steel and aluminum frames fail more spectacularly.
Post by: ColoSwiss on March 10, 2017, 03:29:51 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on March 10, 2017, 04:59:05 AM
I saw a post on twitter this morning that someone was confused as to the purpose of a four barrel rifle. It reminded me of the work by Johann Fanzoj and his Vierling safari rifle
http://www.fanzoj.com/en/gunroom/custom_built_weapons/other_rifles/vierling.html
Yeah that's awesome!!!
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 10, 2017, 04:58:21 PM
I've seen polymer fail in that manner before. S&W Sigma, wasn't there when it happened but I've handled the corpse. You can find others like that. This looks like it sprung, the molding was wrong and the internal tensions were bad to begin with. Reason why Glock (both in Austria and the US made ones) get sonogrammed.
One question. Everything you fed it was jacketed, right? I've seen photos of a Glock that failed like this, after someone who couldn't read the manual had fed it a lot of soft cast bullets, not even gas checked. Ultimate THOU SHALT NOT with polygonal rifling- don't know if the M&P has that or not.
Also seen steel and aluminum frames fail more spectacularly.
Everything that i fed through it was mainstream manufacturer fmj and just 5 jhps so everything was jacketed.
Post by: SAK Guy on March 13, 2017, 03:25:05 AM
Wow!!!!
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 16, 2017, 02:36:39 PM
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Post by: Gareth on March 16, 2017, 07:44:31 PM
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 16, 2017, 07:55:50 PM
Glad it's running a bit better, though those light primer strikes are a bit worrisome. Is it maybe a case of hard primers rather than a problem with the pistol?Quite possibly and I sure hope so. It was winchester ammo though which is usually fine
Post by: SAK Guy on March 16, 2017, 09:55:14 PM
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 17, 2017, 12:28:39 AM
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 17, 2017, 12:33:58 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on March 17, 2017, 01:48:28 AM
CZ makes some excellent pistols at very reasonable prices.
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 17, 2017, 04:19:30 AM
Seems like you're snake-bit when it comes to S&W.I like the look of some CZs, I may check them out. I don't know if i will be allowed to really return it after 200 rounds though I may have to just swap it out again...
CZ makes some excellent pistols at very reasonable prices.
Post by: SAK Guy on March 17, 2017, 11:19:51 PM
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 17, 2017, 11:37:38 PM
Maybe Smith will develop a heavier spring for that striker mechanism.....A heavier recoil spring too....
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Post by: SAK Guy on March 17, 2017, 11:50:55 PM
Maybe Smith will develop a heavier spring for that striker mechanism.....A heavier recoil spring too....
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Lots of Shield recoil spring talk too.....this one was pretty informative as it lists the parts that will interchange between a reg M&P and a Shield.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/405360-shield-recoil-springs.html
Post by: Alan K. on March 21, 2017, 05:59:33 AM
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 22, 2017, 01:01:42 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on March 22, 2017, 02:48:14 AM
I called the guy at the gun shop and he said I should shoot it some more. I bought 100 more rounds, Remington this time instead of Winchester. This is getting expensive. Im going to have to start shooting less. 975 rounds bought in about a month and a half.. i just did the math.. geez
Hope it works out buddy!
Post by: David on March 22, 2017, 07:39:46 AM
I called the guy at the gun shop and he said I should shoot it some more. I bought 100 more rounds, Remington this time instead of Winchester. This is getting expensive. Im going to have to start shooting less. 975 rounds bought in about a month and a half.. i just did the math.. geez
Hope it works out buddy!
1+
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 22, 2017, 02:16:34 PM
Post by: Gareth on March 22, 2017, 02:31:07 PM
I called the guy at the gun shop and he said I should shoot it some more. I bought 100 more rounds, Remington this time instead of Winchester. This is getting expensive. Im going to have to start shooting less. 975 rounds bought in about a month and a half.. i just did the math.. geez
Hope it works out buddy!
1+
+2
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 22, 2017, 02:31:53 PM
Thanks! May go shoot it this weekend. Will post an update then if I do.I called the guy at the gun shop and he said I should shoot it some more. I bought 100 more rounds, Remington this time instead of Winchester. This is getting expensive. Im going to have to start shooting less. 975 rounds bought in about a month and a half.. i just did the math.. geez
Hope it works out buddy!
1+
+2
Post by: ColoSwiss on March 22, 2017, 08:07:25 PM
I called the guy at the gun shop and he said I should shoot it some more. I bought 100 more rounds, Remington this time instead of Winchester. This is getting expensive. Im going to have to start shooting less. 975 rounds bought in about a month and a half.. i just did the math.. geez
And on top of that you're not enjoying it. Instead you're for something to go wrong. :facepalm:
Post by: ironraven on March 23, 2017, 02:06:37 AM
And on top of that you're not enjoying it. Instead you're for something to go wrong. :facepalm:
+1 on that.
There are a lot of annoyances on the range. You could have a bad day and have to admit you have shot better than that while half asleep and hypothermic. It could be raining and windy. The nitwit kid next to you starts shooting at your target and totally screws up your ability to tell how you did. Some one who will tell you he was so tier one he can't tell you what his unit was is pontificating at you (cross dominant, get that a lot right up until they see me doing reload and stoppage drills- they shut up faster when I do carbine to pistol transitions) or there is some dingus who's bragging about how amazing his sub-MOA groups are when he's running a 300 Mag off sandbags with a 20x scope and he's shooting 3/4" groups at 25 yards.
Add all that crap up. So long as nothing blows up and no one gets hurt, it is still better than any day in the office.
But when all you're doing is testing to see if the new one goes ka-boom, thats a bad day on the range.
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 28, 2017, 04:10:08 PM
Shield, not amazing shooting, but not bad for me at 30 feet.
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7 shots later:
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Before:
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After:
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Before:
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After:
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.22 lever action at 45 feet, 10 rounds
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Post by: Gareth on March 28, 2017, 05:21:34 PM
Post by: ColoSwiss on March 29, 2017, 02:41:18 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on March 31, 2017, 01:28:20 AM
Glad things are finally going smoothly! :cheers:
+100!!! :cheers: :cheers:
Post by: Chako on April 22, 2017, 09:14:26 AM
My competition rig is a 357 Magnum S&W 586 with 6" barrel and Silhouette adjustable sights. The Kleenbore PocKit is a wonderfully compact cleaning tool in case you were wondering.
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I didn't get a chance to do much shooting. I don't think I did anything during the winter months...this year being quite terrible in the snow and cold dept. Here is my accompanying ammo kit that I take with me. Bottom holds several boxes of ammunition. The top trays are very useful. I really like the speed loader tray which makes loading your speed loaders a breeze. I have 6 Safariland Comp 3, 5 Safariland Comp 2, and 1 Safariland Comp 1 which I do not like using for competition as it is designed for conceal carry.
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Not shooting means I didn't have to stock up on much ammunition. I tend to buy enough for me and then replace what I use when I use it. Here are a few photos of my ammo locker.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/IMG_3091small_zpsrcfeqcp3.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/IMG_3091small_zpsrcfeqcp3.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/IMG_3092small_zpst3nzbaig.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/IMG_3092small_zpst3nzbaig.jpg.html)
Yes, I still have room for that Fallout Mini Nuke among the ammunition.
Here is a .50 BMG, 223 Remington, .45 ACP, .40 S&W, 9 mm, and 2 3/4" 12 Gauge shell.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/IMG_3095small_zpsaj6a1900.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/IMG_3095small_zpsaj6a1900.jpg.html)
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 23, 2017, 03:29:21 AM
Post by: Chako on April 23, 2017, 04:19:47 AM
Post by: Chako on April 23, 2017, 03:48:37 PM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/IMG_3096small_zpsf89by1wr.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/IMG_3096small_zpsf89by1wr.jpg.html)
Still need to clean up the space, and I haven't installed the drawers yet because I am unsure if I can remove them once installed. I am thinking that could be an issue when it comes time to install the loading presses.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/IMG_3098small_zps0nlbjafh.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/IMG_3098small_zps0nlbjafh.jpg.html)
Post by: ducttapetech on April 23, 2017, 05:39:52 PM
Post by: Gareth on April 23, 2017, 11:25:41 PM
Nice! Also love the Mini nuke!
+1 on the Fallout Mini Nuke. :D
All the best at the competitions Dan. :salute:
Post by: Chako on April 24, 2017, 01:13:30 AM
Post by: ironraven on April 24, 2017, 04:16:51 AM
I just did the preliminary build on my future loading bench.
Is that carpet I see?
Carpet is not a good thing with reloading. Imagine a powder spill.
Post by: Chako on April 24, 2017, 12:31:11 PM
Post by: G-Dizzle on April 24, 2017, 03:13:39 PM
Yes, and vacuum cleaners like to ignite with powder in them. Not ideal, but it is the space I have to work in. Guess I will have to be super careful about powder spills. I could always get one of those office chair mats. :think:There is a certain type of tile that I found in a warehouse some time last year. It actually floats above the current floor and just clicks together. I would toss a lightweight painters mat or something underneath it so nothing gets through the cracks and use those. They were fairly inexpensive (for tile) if i remember correctly. And yes it's real tile.
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Post by: ColoSwiss on April 24, 2017, 09:39:14 PM
Post by: Smashie on May 05, 2017, 09:59:34 PM
http://www.donaldson-guns.co.uk/rifles/179-s-h-308-steyr-mannlicher-classic-with-schmidt-b-rifle.html
Post by: ColoSwiss on May 05, 2017, 10:42:11 PM
Well I went to one of my local RFD's today after some key-mod rail. Now I don't need another rifle at the moment and I have no use at all for a .308, but damn I want this!
http://www.donaldson-guns.co.uk/rifles/179-s-h-308-steyr-mannlicher-classic-with-schmidt-b-rifle.html
You have great taste. Steyrs are outstanding! :cheers:
Post by: Chako on July 17, 2017, 04:20:43 AM
This was also the first time I have used the Real Avid Gun Boss Universal Cleaning Kit. I bought it because it is very compact, will service every firearm I use, and well...it is compact. I found that the elastic retention system is a major PITA as putting everything away was difficult. Those elastics fight you every inch of the way. On the plus side, there is everything included in a very compact package. I may have to modify this kit to make it more user friendly.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/IMG_3747small_zpsisyqjnsu.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/IMG_3747small_zpsisyqjnsu.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/IMG_3748small_zps0wjcylqh.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/IMG_3748small_zps0wjcylqh.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/IMG_3749small_zpss9vkk4lf.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/IMG_3749small_zpss9vkk4lf.jpg.html)
The club had 38 shooters show up. I have noticed that IPSC is on the increase as more and more folks want to compete using handguns. We started at 10 am sharp and ended around 3:30 pm due to only having 2 lanes in use. The club is thinking of increasing the lanes by 1 to decrease the competition time. We had an American border guard show up with a revolver...so I wasn't the only person competing in the revolver class. The rest of the club shoot semi-autos.
Post by: Kampfer on November 09, 2017, 10:06:35 PM
(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49951.0;attach=344782;image)
(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49951.0;attach=344784;image)
https://youtu.be/eduqHcOpIyU
Post by: redmond on November 10, 2017, 12:34:16 AM
I been honing my skills on Joe Biden's special
My wife has a Stoeger Coach gun in 20ga. She loves it.
Post by: Kampfer on November 10, 2017, 02:44:44 AM
It is actually my wife’s gun. :tu:I been honing my skills on Joe Biden's special
My wife has a Stoeger Coach gun in 20ga. She loves it.
Post by: Chako on November 14, 2017, 07:03:46 AM
I found this at a local pawn shop. It is a prop gun used in one of the local movies produced in the Sault...or so I was told. It wasn't terribly expensive, and didn't care much about the back story...if it is true. I bought it because I can display it on a wall and have no fear of breaking the law.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo005/IMG_4422small_zpsdfvqbynw.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo005/IMG_4422small_zpsdfvqbynw.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo005/IMG_4424small_zpsq6ldfdan.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo005/IMG_4424small_zpsq6ldfdan.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo005/IMG_4426small_zps0hosmgng.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo005/IMG_4426small_zps0hosmgng.jpg.html)
I guess this is a cap gun considering the cartridges appear to accept a cap.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo005/IMG_4427small_zpssnkkiosc.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo005/IMG_4427small_zpssnkkiosc.jpg.html)
As a decorative piece, it should do the job nicely.
Post by: Gareth on November 14, 2017, 09:21:03 AM
Post by: Chako on November 14, 2017, 12:29:37 PM
Post by: G-Dizzle on April 03, 2018, 08:41:27 PM
Post by: Nix on April 03, 2018, 08:45:02 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/B7zJ1TU.jpg)
Post by: G-Dizzle on April 03, 2018, 08:58:29 PM
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Post by: Nix on April 03, 2018, 09:33:28 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/IZwixM4.jpg)
I had a local smith do an 'action job' on this one. It was nice before, but fantastic now. :tu:
Post by: Mechanickal on April 03, 2018, 10:29:26 PM
Post by: G-Dizzle on April 03, 2018, 11:58:31 PM
I'd say you have very good taste in firearms......Its already one of the best triggers ive felt. I cant imaging what it would be with an action job. Do you carry yours?
(https://i.imgur.com/IZwixM4.jpg)
I had a local smith do an 'action job' on this one. It was nice before, but fantastic now. :tu:
Post by: Nix on April 04, 2018, 12:20:11 AM
Do you carry yours?
I do.
I thought it might be too big to carry, but I have a nice IWB holster and it carries surprisingly well.
Out of the box, the trigger pull was close to 11#. After the action job it was closer to 8-9# (I don't remember exactly, but will measure it if you want.) And it felt smoother, too. S&W can build a nice firearm.
Congratulations on getting one heck of a handgun! Those grips are sweet! :tu:
Post by: Nix on April 04, 2018, 12:22:57 AM
We, the largest part of Europeans, can't even imagine having a gun at home just like that... :/
Well, Mechy, Europeans can't be trusted with firearms. Just one of those stark realities. Even locking knives seem questionable in the hands of Europeans. You guys are just that wild and unpredictable. Which is kinda cool if you think about it. 8)
Post by: G-Dizzle on April 04, 2018, 12:29:37 AM
I have been carrying it owb with either a galco silhouette or desantis thumb break for about a week and no one has noticed that I know of (except when I open carried of course, but not many people even notice that, haha. Its getting a little warm for owb so I have a galco Summer Comfort iwb on order for it. Holsters for the 3” barrel are hard to find.Do you carry yours?
I do.
I thought it might be too big to carry, but I have a nice IWB holster and it carries surprisingly well.
Out of the box, the trigger pull was close to 11#. After the action job it was closer to 8-9# (I don't remember exactly, but will measure it if you want.) And it felt smoother, too. S&W can build a nice firearm.
Congratulations on getting one heck of a handgun! Those grips are sweet! :tu:
Post by: G-Dizzle on April 04, 2018, 12:32:16 AM
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Post by: Nix on April 04, 2018, 12:48:05 AM
I like your high carry Galco. :tu:
Post by: ezdog on April 04, 2018, 12:57:37 AM
Gotta Love the Snub!
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Post by: G-Dizzle on April 04, 2018, 01:03:57 AM
Wait a minute can I get in here too?!
Gotta Love the Snub!
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Nice!!! I almost bought the 4.2 inch sp101 when I was shopping for my 686
Post by: Nix on April 04, 2018, 01:09:49 AM
Post by: redmond on April 04, 2018, 01:20:41 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/OichJWC.jpg)
The 6" K frames are from the '50s and mostly safe queens - OWB only, if carried, for me. The 2" J frames are frequently pocket carried (in a Mika holster).
Post by: Nix on April 04, 2018, 01:23:57 AM
Post by: Chako on April 04, 2018, 01:31:28 AM
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo005/IMG_4718small_zpsspzcvpwy.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo005/IMG_4718small_zpsspzcvpwy.jpg.html)
Up here in Canada, you can't have snubbies. At least we get to play with longer barreled handguns though.
Post by: ezdog on April 04, 2018, 01:51:54 AM
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Post by: ezdog on April 04, 2018, 02:01:06 AM
IMI Baby Desert Eagle/Jericho 941 in 9mm and .45
The Long Slide is the 9 and these are not Poly Guns because Isreal Steel is Real!
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Post by: Nix on April 04, 2018, 02:03:17 AM
Post by: ducttapetech on April 04, 2018, 02:11:23 AM
Post by: ezdog on April 04, 2018, 02:41:25 AM
ooooooooh...... :dd:
Indeed. :cheers:
Post by: G-Dizzle on April 04, 2018, 03:14:16 AM
More S&W revolvers:I would like to get myself a j frame someday soon :think: so much to buy, so little money;)
(https://i.imgur.com/OichJWC.jpg)
The 6" K frames are from the '50s and mostly safe queens - OWB only, if carried, for me. The 2" J frames are frequently pocket carried (in a Mika holster).
Post by: Nix on April 04, 2018, 03:26:22 AM
Post by: G-Dizzle on April 04, 2018, 03:32:24 AM
Love my 640. :tu:640 pro series with the nice sights is on my short list.
Post by: Nix on April 04, 2018, 03:36:15 AM
Post by: ducttapetech on April 04, 2018, 03:38:39 AM
So true.....More S&W revolvers:I would like to get myself a j frame someday soon :think: so much to buy, so little money;)
(https://i.imgur.com/OichJWC.jpg)
The 6" K frames are from the '50s and mostly safe queens - OWB only, if carried, for me. The 2" J frames are frequently pocket carried (in a Mika holster).
Post by: redmond on April 04, 2018, 03:57:02 AM
I load my own 'Chicago' loads for the 640: a hot 155gn wadcutter moving around 1050 fps. I find a full .357 Mag load a bit heavy in the J-frame; but a reduced .357 Mag 'Chicago Load' seems to be accurate and manageable. :tu:
I thought a "Chicago Reload" was a second pistol... :D
Post by: redmond on April 04, 2018, 04:19:12 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/FfyVIrH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/851Ks65.jpg)
Post by: Nix on April 04, 2018, 04:36:55 AM
I thought a "Chicago Reload" was a second pistol... :D
A New York reload is a second revolver. A Chicago load is a hot semi-wadcutter hollow point. It's quite possible to have a New York reload stoked with Chicago loads......actually...a good idea.
Post by: Nix on April 04, 2018, 05:18:02 AM
Post by: G-Dizzle on April 04, 2018, 05:25:35 AM
Matter of fact, i wonder if i could con someone into trading me one for my s&w PC shield. Interesting.... i even have both ported and non ported barrels for it. Either that or sell enough in MTs lol. Idk if i would want to part with my shield.Love my 640. :tu:640 pro series with the nice sights is on my short list.
Post by: G-Dizzle on April 04, 2018, 05:27:08 AM
Ooops...I think I misspoke. :-[ My hot 155gn wadcutters are not....NOT...the same as the famous "Chicago Load". My load is.......my own. The Chicago Load or FBI Load is a hot LSWCHP using a 158gn bullet. I load those, too. But I prefer my 155gm lead WC's.Any particular reason for the 3 grn difference? Doesnt seem like enough to make a difference.
Post by: Nix on April 04, 2018, 05:29:16 AM
It's not great at anything. It's heavier than others, It's not as accurate as others. But it is damned handy and capable of shooting full .357 Mag rounds. And carries better than most anything else.
Post by: Nix on April 04, 2018, 05:30:43 AM
Any particular reason for the 3 grn difference? Doesnt seem like enough to make a difference.
Nope. Those are just the bullets I can buy locally.
Reloading 155's is a bit tricky, since the bullet seats more deeply in the case than a standard 158gn SWC.
Post by: G-Dizzle on April 04, 2018, 05:37:30 AM
I don’t reload. I would like to give it a try sometime, maybe after I am out of school and have more time on my hands. Right now I work basically 2 full time jobs and am responsible for two dogs, a cow, pony, and 3-5 chickens on my own. Not a whole lot of spare time in that picture, although it makes me grateful for what i can get.Any particular reason for the 3 grn difference? Doesnt seem like enough to make a difference.
Nope. Those are just the bullets I can buy locally.
Reloading 155's is a bit tricky, since the bullet seats more deeply in the case than a standard 158gn SWC.
Post by: Nix on April 04, 2018, 05:43:13 AM
You can get started relatively easily and for not a lot of money. Like most things, if you want to optimize performance, you'll end up spending some money. I'm no expert--and I talk to guys who have reloading details down to the finest degrees--but I still get great performance from simple components.
Don't think you need to put reloading off until later. You can make--and tune--great ammunition for a reasonable, up front, investment. :tu:
Post by: Mechanickal on April 04, 2018, 07:05:39 AM
Not in a leathal, weapon's, way.
Just in it's own engineering way :tu:
Post by: redmond on April 04, 2018, 02:44:29 PM
I thought a "Chicago Reload" was a second pistol... :D
A New York reload is a second revolver. A Chicago load is a hot semi-wadcutter hollow point. It's quite possible to have a New York reload stoked with Chicago loads......actually...a good idea.
Got it. NYC/Chicago - both way east of here.
Post by: Pacu on April 06, 2018, 02:36:06 AM
I'm building my own modern sporting rifle over the next few months. >:D :D
Post by: ironraven on April 06, 2018, 03:26:31 AM
Post by: ColoSwiss on April 07, 2018, 12:40:20 AM
Here is a great shooting 22LR pistol - Ruger MKIII 22/45, the plain Jane version. The target is 10 rounds at 10 yards (sitting).
(https://i.imgur.com/FfyVIrH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/851Ks65.jpg)
Great shooting! :cheers:
Post by: Pacu on April 07, 2018, 04:41:55 AM
Pacu, the Aero is a good lower- not a lot pricier than say an Anderson, but so much nicer. Any thoughts on configuration yet?
I definitely like the two stage triggers so I'm leaning that way, probably carbine length build. I like this look >>>
(https://www.hardenedarms.com/images/siteLibrary/543201605121149amIMG_0175.jpg)
Post by: Chako on April 08, 2018, 08:46:37 AM
http://www.nroi-canada.org/wp/2018/01/08/111/
Personally, I competed with one for my 1911A1 for one season with no issues. From my perspective, the Serpa II is a safe holster provided you use proper finger placement...but then, that goes for any holster. Either way, I was a bit distraught at the news as I wanted to use my 45 for competitions this year, wanting to put aside the 357 magnum revolver for something different. I was pained because I remember the fun I had in finding a holster that would fit my 1911A1. At the time, the Serpa II Blackhawk was the only holster I could source locally.
Well my fears were warranted. It took me 2 months to source another holster. The issue being that my handgun feature an oversized slide lock lever which doesn't fit many 1911 holsters. The local gun shop was kind enough to order 4 different holsters, and lucky for me, one did fit. The only one that did was a Fobus Tactical holster. :tu:
Got to love living in Canada, where getting handgun accessories is a real drag unlike the US with its over abundance of handgun goodness. :facepalm:
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo005/IMG_4826small_zpsqp35lq6u.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo005/IMG_4826small_zpsqp35lq6u.jpg.html)
Post by: GrandpaPatch on November 03, 2018, 08:59:31 AM
Over the years I have read some articles floating around the internet and watched a few different YouTube videos regarding weapons training and weapons safety. While there is some great information out there, there are also a lot of ‘in the interest of public safety this video should have been deleted’ videos as far as I’m concerned. There are also some things that need to be clarified, but first let me remind everyone of the 7Ps: Proper Prior Planning (Training) Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
To kick things off I had to search to find to an old, but still relevant video on YouTube of a guy on the range having a bad day (https://youtu.be/747_rz-qE4w). My first thought of this video reminded me of Jeff Dunham and his puppet Walter... “Dumbass”
Muscle Memory: Muscle memory is one of those things that applies to both ends of the spectrum. Yes, muscle memory is a great thing when building up through proper prior planning/training, movements and exercises/drills. No, muscle memory is not a good thing, it is a bad thing, when piss poor performance (training) methods are utilized. You should train the way you carry and carry what you are trained with. But, to be fair to Tex here is a video blaming the SERPA. (https://youtu.be/GDpxVG9XFJc) Again, the 7Ps can apply to Muscle Memory.
Complacency: This is the one that reaches up a grabs a hold of the well trained and bites them in the ass at the worst possible moments as this ATF Agent shoots himself while teaching a class (https://youtu.be/uADb3NyYlSA) video shows. Again, the 7Ps can apply to ‘highly trained’ individuals who get complacent with their knowledge or abilities.
Accidental Discharge: This is the term that irritates me the most. I see things all the time, posted by professionals and have heard it said (by instructors) in courses I have taken who throw the term accident around to apply to almost everything that didn’t go as planned. Yes, these people are, mostly, technically correct in the use of the word. When you are talking about weapons, an accident is a mechanical failure that either causes a weapon to discharge or prevents the weapon from functioning. Most often the term ‘Accidental Discharge’ or AD is used when you get too many know-it-all discussing the latest range event when someone had their finger on the trigger and “accidentally” fired off a round.. Even YouTube is loaded with videos of ‘Accidental Discharge’ or Accidental Discharge gun’. Again, the 7Ps apply to those mislabeled ADs.
Negligent Discharge: This is the category that most people just lump into the mix with ADs. No, accidental discharges are not negligent discharges. A Negligent Discharge is when a weapon is fired, unintentionally, due to negligence of weapon handling, training and safety procedures. This is mostly the case of the untrained, unprepared and as already mentioned those who are trained, but become complacent. I will also refer here to Tex Grebner and the Art of the Negligent Discharge (https://youtu.be/ou0M0MLj7DI). And again, the 7Ps also apply to Negligent Discharges.
So, what am I getting at? I’m getting back to the 7Ps and how they apply to so many things. If Tex had proper, prior, planning (training) with the holster in question, it would have prevented piss poor performance. Then this event (and the subsequent drama) would have never taken place.
Just another reminder that the 7Ps really do make a difference in this world.
Post by: Syncop8r on November 03, 2018, 11:30:07 AM
Post by: GrandpaPatch on November 03, 2018, 11:52:48 AM
We had a term UD... I think it was Unauthorised Discharge... :think:
I'm not sure if the term is still in use, but it was used by the US miilitary. The term was used during an investigation. They did not want to use the term Accidental Discharge during the investigation so Unauthorized Discharge was used until a determination was made.
Post by: Nix on November 03, 2018, 10:55:51 PM
We had a term UD... I think it was Unauthorised Discharge... :think:
I'm not sure if the term is still in use, but it was used by the US miilitary. The term was used during an investigation. They did not want to use the term Accidental Discharge during the investigation so Unauthorized Discharge was used until a determination was made.
I think it is just "negligent discharge" now.
There are no accidents; just smurf-ups.
Knock on wood, I've never had a weapon under my control launch a bullet without my prior authorization. Modern firearms do not "just go off". Someone has to do something...which is an act of negligence in my book...so I agree with the more precise "negligent discharge" term.
I've got a friend who becomes downright anxious if there is a loaded..or unloaded firearm in view. The mere sight of a gun is anxiety provoking. I try to explain that firearms are no more dangerous than the idiot operating them, but that fear remains. I suspect that sort of fear is the origin of the 'accidental discharge' label....and myth.
Post by: Smashie on November 03, 2018, 11:11:01 PM
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A negligent discharge occurs when a weapon is fired due to either operator error or a lack of attention to basic safety rules.
Post by: GrandpaPatch on November 11, 2018, 08:11:44 AM
A weapon is neither good nor bad. It has no inherent moral trait. It all depends on who uses that weapon. In the hands of law abiding citizens, a weapon used to stop a criminal from doing evil would be considered a good thing. The term "weapon" is not automatically a dirty word. Weapons are good in the hands of good people. As a society, we have become so politically correct and "sissyfied" that many have lost the concept of self defense.
Do you let your children play with toy guns, dart guns, squirt guns, water guns or paintball guns?
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4862/45772614672_6462b7c489_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cJLBDA)drill-gun-power-screwdriver (https://flic.kr/p/2cJLBDA) by Grandpa Patch (https://www.flickr.com/photos/95406299@N04/), on Flickr
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4809/45773061272_2657d21a0f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cJNUpA)4BoreRifle (https://flic.kr/p/2cJNUpA) by Grandpa Patch (https://www.flickr.com/photos/95406299@N04/), on Flickr
If you have the time or can make some time later and are interested in gun related articles, here are a few articles.
How fast does a butane nail gun shoot nails? (https://home.howstuffworks.com/butane-nail-gun.htm)
...and this
Children and Guns (http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/children-and-guns/)
...and this
Police fatally shoot man with Down syndrome carrying toy gun (https://nypost.com/2018/08/03/police-fatally-shoot-man-with-down-syndrome-carrying-toy-gun/)
...and this
The Army May Have Found Its Next Rifle In A Colorado Garage (https://taskandpurpose.com/army-rifle-ribbon-gun/)
Post by: GrandpaPatch on November 11, 2018, 06:12:28 PM
Traffic deaths in the U.S. pulled back slightly in 2017, according to the National Safety Council. There were an estimated 40,100 motor vehicle deaths last year, or a drop of 1 percent from the prior year. Feb 15, 2018 Traffic deaths edge lower, but 2017 stats paint worrisome picture (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/14/traffic-deaths-edge-lower-but-2017-stats-paint-worrisome-picture.html) | In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes, 30,296 of with fatalities, killing 32,999, and injuring 2,239,000. About 2,000 children under 16 die every year in traffic collisions. Records indicate that there have been a total of 3,613,732 motor vehicle fatalities in the United States from 1899 to 2013. Motor vehicle fatality rate in U.S. by year. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year) | The following facts are based on analysis of data from the U.S. Department of Transportation's Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS).] (https://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/general-statistics/fatalityfacts/state-by-state-overview) | The Johns Hopkins authors said the inability to capture the full impact of medical errors results in a lack of public attention and a failure to invest in research. They called for adding a new question to death certificates specifically asking if a preventable complication of care contributed. Medical Errors Are No. 3 Cause Of U.S Deaths, Researchers Say. (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/05/03/476636183/death-certificates-undercount-toll-of-medical-errors) | “But what about handgun murders?” you might ask. “They’re responsible for the majority of gun murders, so why don’t we just ban them and stop worrying about rifles?” Easy: because gun bans and strict gun control don’t really prevent gun violence. Take, for example, Illinois and California. In 2013, there were 5,782 murders by handgun in the U.S. According to FBI data, 20 percent of those — 1,157 of the 5,782 handgun murders — happened in Illinois and California, which have two of the toughest state gun control regimes in the entire country. And even though California and Illinois contain about 16 percent of the nation’s population, those two states are responsible for over 20 percent of the nation’s handgun murders. Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually. In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 persons), and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 persons).] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States)
So if I have read all of this correctly vehicles (drivers) cause 30,296 deaths and 2,239,000 injuries, while guns (shooters) cause 33, 636 deaths and 73,505 injuries. I think we need to take a closer look at our drivers license control laws!
Post by: Etherealicer on November 11, 2018, 06:26:20 PM
It might be safer to start walking and carrying a gun to protect yourself from doctors and cars!Except the overall trend for car accidents is going down, despite traffic increasing (quite massively so)
Traffic deaths in the U.S. pulled back slightly in 2017, according to the National Safety Council. There were an estimated 40,100 motor vehicle deaths last year, or a drop of 1 percent from the prior year. Feb 15, 2018 Traffic deaths edge lower, but 2017 stats paint worrisome picture (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/14/traffic-deaths-edge-lower-but-2017-stats-paint-worrisome-picture.html) | In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes, 30,296 of with fatalities, killing 32,999, and injuring 2,239,000. About 2,000 children under 16 die every year in traffic collisions. Records indicate that there have been a total of 3,613,732 motor vehicle fatalities in the United States from 1899 to 2013. Motor vehicle fatality rate in U.S. by year. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year) | The following facts are based on analysis of data from the U.S. Department of Transportation's Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS).] (https://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/general-statistics/fatalityfacts/state-by-state-overview) | The Johns Hopkins authors said the inability to capture the full impact of medical errors results in a lack of public attention and a failure to invest in research. They called for adding a new question to death certificates specifically asking if a preventable complication of care contributed. Medical Errors Are No. 3 Cause Of U.S Deaths, Researchers Say. (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/05/03/476636183/death-certificates-undercount-toll-of-medical-errors) | “But what about handgun murders?” you might ask. “They’re responsible for the majority of gun murders, so why don’t we just ban them and stop worrying about rifles?” Easy: because gun bans and strict gun control don’t really prevent gun violence. Take, for example, Illinois and California. In 2013, there were 5,782 murders by handgun in the U.S. According to FBI data, 20 percent of those — 1,157 of the 5,782 handgun murders — happened in Illinois and California, which have two of the toughest state gun control regimes in the entire country. And even though California and Illinois contain about 16 percent of the nation’s population, those two states are responsible for over 20 percent of the nation’s handgun murders. Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually. In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 persons), and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 persons).] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States)
So if I have read all of this correctly vehicles (drivers) cause 30,296 deaths and 2,239,000 injuries, while guns (shooters) cause 33, 636 deaths and 73,505 injuries. I think we need to take a closer look at our drivers license control laws!
Well as for the gun related death...
Post by: ducttapetech on November 17, 2018, 02:14:55 PM
Post by: Gareth on December 22, 2018, 08:15:40 PM
(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=53984.0;attach=413922)
(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=53984.0;attach=413924)
100 yards off hand with some very ropey milsurp ammo. Nothing at all to boast about but at least all my shots made it onto the paper. ;)
(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=53984.0;attach=413926)
Post by: Nix on December 22, 2018, 08:16:57 PM
Post by: Gareth on December 22, 2018, 08:24:23 PM
Looks like some fun!
Cheers Nix. It was indeed. :cheers:
Post by: Smashie on December 23, 2018, 12:03:55 AM
Post by: Chako on June 16, 2019, 04:01:13 AM
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/IMG_7412small_zpsrcdhc71c.jpg) (https://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/IMG_7412small_zpsrcdhc71c.jpg.html)
Looks like I will need to clean up the mess I left last season. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Post by: Alan K. on June 16, 2019, 12:23:47 PM
Post by: Gareth on June 16, 2019, 08:07:12 PM
Yikes. I forgot how I left the small gun room last year. Just opened it up and this is what I see...
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/IMG_7412small_zpsrcdhc71c.jpg) (https://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/IMG_7412small_zpsrcdhc71c.jpg.html)
Looks like I will need to clean up the mess I left last season. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
:o Are you sure you haven't been burgled Dan? :D (not that my storage habits are any better mind you)
Post by: Chako on June 16, 2019, 10:51:25 PM
I always clean the guns before and after use. :hatsoff:
Post by: Chako on July 15, 2019, 02:53:18 PM
I bought this late last season because frankly, whenever I go to the gun range, I have a hard time finding target holders. I suppose the kind folks a the club lock them up or something. I was on the hunt for something portable so that I could care less if everything at the club is gone. I found this setup, and it should work nicely. Going to try it out something later this month.
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/IMG_7539small_zpsyoawqpht.jpg) (https://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/IMG_7539small_zpsyoawqpht.jpg.html)
It has been a while since I layed eyes on this GSG STG 44 Schmeisser .22 LR Semi-Auto Rifle. This is fairly accurate to the original...so it is fairly heavy. Shooting 22lr ammo out of this feels even less exciting than a pellet rifle. At lest you have a spring, or air to give you a little excitement. This rifle shoots like a rail with no recoil. If you couldn't see/hear the hole and the powder going off, you might not even notice that you fired this brick. Still a cool piece to own.
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/IMG_7540small_zpsh3qldzlb.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/IMG_7540small_zpsh3qldzlb.jpg.html)
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/IMG_7541small_zpsanjjsb8u.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/IMG_7541small_zpsanjjsb8u.jpg.html)
Last year, I was using a 45 ACP handgun for IPSC. I bought this X Metal 250 count box of 45 APC ammo towards the end of the season.
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/IMG_7542small_zpswmyuz6mp.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/IMG_7542small_zpswmyuz6mp.jpg.html)
Here is a current look into my ammo storage lock-box. Still have the Fallout mini-nuke in there for fun.
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/IMG_7544small_zpstretw6qo.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/IMG_7544small_zpstretw6qo.jpg.html)
And quick shot inside my main gun locker.
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/IMG_7546small_zpsfvrfrjyz.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/IMG_7546small_zpsfvrfrjyz.jpg.html)
Odds and ends in holsters.
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/IMG_7548small_zps27skylpx.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/IMG_7548small_zps27skylpx.jpg.html)
Around a month ago, I bought myself a Tipton gun vise to help in the maintenance of the short and long stuff.
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/IMG_7549small_zpsjmh7xrie.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/IMG_7549small_zpsjmh7xrie.jpg.html)
Post by: Chako on July 15, 2019, 03:52:02 PM
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/IMG_7550small_zpssclrd0xr.jpg) (https://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/IMG_7550small_zpssclrd0xr.jpg.html)
Here is one I placed in the gun room a while back. Note all the humidity it pulled out of the air. At a buck 25 a pop, I tend to buy many of them, replacing them when needed.
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/IMG_7552small_zpsveuhq0yh.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/IMG_7552small_zpsveuhq0yh.jpg.html)
Post by: Chako on July 16, 2019, 01:02:55 AM
Top shelf:
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/20190715_182438small_zpsnbff4h5o.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/20190715_182438small_zpsnbff4h5o.jpg.html)
1: Various stuff I have found on the range. Guess I am growing a collection of found ammo.
2: Here be found the 45 ACP ammo.
3: 5 boxes of 30-06. I tend to prefer 180 grains.
4: Remington .223 stockpile.
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/20190715_182445small_zpsezcd0ef2.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/20190715_182445small_zpsezcd0ef2.jpg.html)
1: Green cap loaders for the blackpower stuff. Also an assortment of magazines. This is where I tend to store the extras.
2: 38 Special ammunition
3: 357 Magnum ammunition.
4: 9 mm ammunition.
5: SKS stripper clips inside a Russian carry pouch.
6: box of 45 ACP ammunition (white box).
7: Where I keep all of my snap caps, along with some rolled 9mm ammunition.
A closeup of the various snap caps I have.
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/20190715_182534small_zpswshvqlda.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/20190715_182534small_zpswshvqlda.jpg.html)
Bottom shelf:
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/20190715_182459small_zpsikydizqk.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/20190715_182459small_zpsikydizqk.jpg.html)
1: 7.62×39mm ammunition. I have both military and the better non-corrosive stuff.
2: BB and pellet gun ammunition.
3: 2 bandoleer belts of 12 gauge ammunition. Behind the ready to grab belts, are a stack of 20 gauge boxes. Behind that are the 12 gauge boxes.
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/20190715_182505small_zpsurkclr3w.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/20190715_182505small_zpsurkclr3w.jpg.html)
1: 22 long rifle ammunition.
For a time, I was buying a lot of it as there was a shortage. Now, I just replace what I shoot.
A better look at the 22 section.
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/20190715_182510small_zps00qntn0u.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/20190715_182510small_zps00qntn0u.jpg.html)
Post by: Nix on July 16, 2019, 01:08:50 AM
I could use a little more .22LR. I load most of my own ammo, but obviously .22LR is a different matter. :D
Post by: Chako on July 16, 2019, 01:10:25 AM
Post by: Nix on July 16, 2019, 01:42:39 AM
.45ACP is my favorite to load. So easy and forgiving, being a low-pressure round.
Post by: Chako on July 17, 2019, 01:35:51 AM
If you want to find out more about NEF (New England Firearms) please read the following link...
https://www.chuckhawks.com/nef_rifles.htm (https://www.chuckhawks.com/nef_rifles.htm)
I should add, that although these are not terribly expensive rifles, they are a whole lot of fun. When I shoot the rifle, I will have an extra round in my hand. It is super quick to load up a following shot. I just like the simplicity of this set up.
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/20190716_190028small_zpsvw8yhy0s.jpg) (https://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/20190716_190028small_zpsvw8yhy0s.jpg.html)
Here is the breech and the extractor. Note the cocking adapter installed on the hammer.
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/20190716_190410small_zpse6cunegv.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/20190716_190410small_zpse6cunegv.jpg.html)
Here is the rear storage compartment opened.
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/20190716_190517small_zpsupjhelxt.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/20190716_190517small_zpsupjhelxt.jpg.html)
Post by: ezdog on July 17, 2019, 01:54:56 AM
I have always wanted one of those in 223 too!
http://tincanbandit.blogspot.com/2017/10/featured-gun-snake-charmer-shotgun.html
Post by: Chako on July 17, 2019, 01:59:49 AM
Post by: ezdog on July 17, 2019, 02:07:26 AM
Yes, that is very similar indeed. I kinda like the name of that one also. I think that would be better than a Taurus Judge to dispatch snakes.
I got it when I lived in a Cabin on a River here that routinely floods and I would encounter Water Snakes every day!
The Roads would often flood so that we had to wade in past the water but then the roads inside the cabin area were still dry.
So I could carry that one loaded and tucked into my Waders until needed and then just draw and shoot like a really long Pistol sort of?
I would have loved the extra shots of the Judge and the like but you had to get good at making every shot count as the Mocs would attack when aggravated,they can be really aggressive!
Good Times!
Post by: Chako on July 17, 2019, 02:38:33 AM
Post by: Chako on July 17, 2019, 02:45:07 AM
Post by: Nix on July 17, 2019, 03:30:54 AM
Post by: Chako on July 17, 2019, 07:59:38 AM
Post by: Chako on July 20, 2019, 01:00:11 PM
Gun cleaned and inspected...check
Trigger lock can be unlocked with one of my keys...check
All my papers and documentations inside the range bag...check
Electronic ears, cleaning kits, safety glasses, enough extra ammunition, magazines, safety kit, Leatherman MUT, all in the range bag...check
Switched belt gear for the 9mm...check
Good to go on Sunday morning now.
Now if only I could get a practice round before the matchup...but got the grand-kid this weekend, and there is a parade today which is why I am getting myself all sorted at 5 am in the morning. :facepalm:
Just finished cleaning, inspecting, and doing snap cap runs to make sure everything is in top working order. I haven't used this guy in the last few years. Everything is good once I oiled it up a little. Did notice while reloading my 8 magazines that one was gritty. I had to take that one apart and give it some TLC. Now that ones works great. I guess the last time I used it, dirt got into it and it was never cleaned properly since. Lucky for me that the magazines are simple things to take apart.
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/20190720_062243small_zpshrf79pud.jpg) (https://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/20190720_062243small_zpshrf79pud.jpg.html)
Time to switch my holster and mag carriers. I should technically get myself a 3rd belt and just hang them up here ready for use.
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/20190720_062317small_zpsz2ddiva9.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/20190720_062317small_zpsz2ddiva9.jpg.html)
Post by: Chako on August 18, 2019, 01:21:48 PM
(https://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo006/20190818_070034small_zpsmb57ukcc.jpg) (https://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo006/20190818_070034small_zpsmb57ukcc.jpg.html)
Post by: Gareth on August 27, 2019, 02:28:39 PM
First is a Eli Whitney type 2 .31 pocket revolver. Lovely little thing that seemed to be in good functional order.
(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=53984.0;attach=448736)
Next is a sword/pistol combination. Interesting thing that I'd never had a chance to have a look at before. Springs were all walked out and even when new I would have my doubts about shooting but it did point much more naturally than I would have expected.
(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=53984.0;attach=448738)
Post by: Chako on August 29, 2019, 01:56:39 PM
Post by: MMR on August 29, 2019, 02:31:25 PM
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Post by: LoopCutter on August 29, 2019, 02:41:00 PM
Dogs are from Europe, so are H&K, Glocks and so many more.
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Post by: cody6268 on August 29, 2019, 03:27:39 PM
Here's a couple of antique firearms I got to have a look at recently at my local auction house.
First is a Eli Whitney type 2 .31 pocket revolver. Lovely little thing that seemed to be in good functional order.
(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=53984.0;attach=448736)
Next is a sword/pistol combination. Interesting thing that I'd never had a chance to have a look at before. Springs were all walked out and even when new I would have my doubts about shooting but it did point much more naturally than I would have expected.
(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=53984.0;attach=448738)
I knew the "cotton gin guy" made firearms (and he is just as well known known for introducing interchangeable parts to the firearm and manufacturing in general just as he his the cotton gin), but I had never seen one before!
Post by: lister on August 29, 2019, 03:28:27 PM
If I ever get rich I swear that I will do my best to squander my riches on collecting such useless historical gadgets as this! :woohoo:
:D
Post by: MMR on August 29, 2019, 06:37:39 PM
Sure, the more the merrier!
Dogs are from Europe, so are H&K, Glocks and so many more.
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Okay then...
Well here’s some of mine:
My current hunting rifle:
A 1970s Czechoslovakian Made BRNO .308 which I have added a few extras to.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/88de635fc0f1b26826fb56078b8e7845.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/9fcb8dd854f1b77c94eb74d0d4706566.jpg)
My Turkish made HUGLU 12. Gauge Over/Under. I have owned this shotgun since I was 16, owned it from new, and is the gun take clay target shooting and pheasant hunting.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/e0c155b4f2a68836af3e656c95068b94.jpg)
This was the rifle I learned to shoot long range with when I was maybe 12 years old.
A Midland Cal. 6.5
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/6c1f7959a2dc8a8431ab07d8e588d565.jpg)
This is a post-WW2 Walther P1, basically a P38 but made using leftover parts from WW2 and arguably better build quality too.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/1a63d8cb849b891a182b3a198c1e537a.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/4cc361764cde23aa3cef432f172ba2cf.jpg)
A 20. Gauge USSR made Baikal
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/ec51d1bc9ac69d876c8e73a447b75ca1.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/a4e159fcb5621d92a86c855b1c0bca7c.jpg)
1860 Winchester (Pat. 1866)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/8aa9cee9d03a0922d8b41edbfaa5d316.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/9f564f361c3d8bf12645ec39f52bfeb2.jpg)
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Post by: Gareth on August 29, 2019, 07:25:20 PM
Nice pieces. I bet that sword gun went for a high price.
About £600+fees IIRC, though even that was at the lower end of the estimate.
Post by: ducttapetech on August 29, 2019, 10:38:24 PM
Okay then....
Well here’s some of mine:
My current hunting rifle:
A 1970s Czechoslovakian Made BRNO .308 which I have added a few extras to.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/88de635fc0f1b26826fb56078b8e7845.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/9fcb8dd854f1b77c94eb74d0d4706566.jpg)
My Turkish made HUGLU 12. Gauge Over/Under. I have owned this shotgun since I was 16, owned it from new, and is the gun take clay target shooting and pheasant hunting.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/e0c155b4f2a68836af3e656c95068b94.jpg)
This was the rifle I learned to shoot long range with when I was maybe 12 years old.
A Midland Cal. 6.5
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/6c1f7959a2dc8a8431ab07d8e588d565.jpg)
This is a post-WW2 Walther P1, basically a P38 but made using leftover parts from WW2 and arguably better build quality too.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/1a63d8cb849b891a182b3a198c1e537a.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/4cc361764cde23aa3cef432f172ba2cf.jpg)
A 20. Gauge USSR made Baikal
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/ec51d1bc9ac69d876c8e73a447b75ca1.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/a4e159fcb5621d92a86c855b1c0bca7c.jpg)
1860 Winchester (Pat. 1866)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/8aa9cee9d03a0922d8b41edbfaa5d316.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190829/9f564f361c3d8bf12645ec39f52bfeb2.jpg)
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Very nice firearms!
Post by: MMR on August 29, 2019, 11:14:49 PM
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Very nice firearms!
Thank you sir
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Post by: Chako on August 30, 2019, 02:10:59 AM
Post by: MMR on August 30, 2019, 08:51:54 AM
That Walther P1 is a classic. :drool:
It’s an excellent shooter
Surprising how many design elements it has in common with a lot of modern pistols. Especially if you compare it to a Beretta 92, all the controls are pretty much the same.
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 30, 2019, 10:32:51 AM
What do you hunt?
Post by: MMR on August 30, 2019, 10:48:55 AM
You have some very nice, functional toys.....the best kind! :salute:
What do you hunt?
Thank you sir
In Denmark I hunt Deer and pheasants (not much else worth hunting in Denmark, and you can only hunt on private land in Denmark too, so you have to know someone who has a piece of land big enough for hunting and who will let you hunt on it....thats just the laws here)
Me and my dad take an annual trip to Africa where we go game hunting, specifically in Namibia, Botswana or Zimbabwe.
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