Post by: Aloha on June 23, 2015, 07:03:45 AM
I edited so I don't spoil it for others.
Post by: zoidberg on June 23, 2015, 07:19:43 AM
Post by: Aloha on June 23, 2015, 07:57:56 AM
http://www.history.com/shows/alone
The first episode was lack luster IMO but I'm hoping to see a couple of the other guys "step up" and show what they got.
Post by: DazMechanical on June 23, 2015, 08:17:20 AM
Post by: styx on June 23, 2015, 10:41:24 AM
Post by: DazMechanical on June 23, 2015, 10:52:34 AM
Post by: pfrsantos on June 23, 2015, 12:03:30 PM
Post by: Aloha on June 23, 2015, 04:24:01 PM
Considering that I've had a few spirited talks with Mitch who was a participant on the show, I'm gonna watch it. I think we're still early in the show with too many people and all are simply rehashing the same thing that they could have picked up from any number of other shows. When it thins out, I have a feeling we will get more interested in the participants
I agree we're still early in the show. I think they chose a pretty rough spot for them however there are a lot of resources.
Post by: styx on June 23, 2015, 04:34:18 PM
A simple example would be the basic tarp vs something like a single wall tarp tent (Mountainsmith mountain shelter LT is a fine example)
Post by: Aloha on June 23, 2015, 04:38:28 PM
Post by: styx on June 23, 2015, 06:29:55 PM
Another thing I've noticed is that most guys are closer to their 40s than their 30s. At 34 Mitch is the third youngest.
I really think that it won't be the inability to survive but the emotional drain that will get 'em. It's one thing for someone like me to just pick up and go, it's another for someone with a family to spend prolonged time without them, especially when kids are involved
Post by: pfrsantos on June 23, 2015, 06:46:06 PM
That would be my guess.
Another thing I've noticed is that most guys are closer to their 40s than their 30s. At 34 Mitch is the third youngest.
I really think that it won't be the inability to survive but the emotional drain that will get 'em. It's one thing for someone like me to just pick up and go, it's another for someone with a family to spend prolonged time without them, especially when kids are involved
Yeah, they've got that advantage over you...
:whistle:
Post by: Aloha on June 24, 2015, 01:18:42 AM
Mitch has a good attitude, I also like that young guy who was howling. That big man Chris also seemed to have a good head on his shoulders and great attitude. Some of those guys left young families behind which will be a big factor should they get further into this.
Post by: styx on June 24, 2015, 09:59:03 AM
Post by: Henry on June 25, 2015, 05:59:36 AM
Fingers crossed they don't just sensationalise it for TV!
Post by: Aloha on June 25, 2015, 06:23:12 AM
I just got the first episode, and am excited to watch it. I lived in BC for 3 years, spent a lot of time in the mountains and overnighted in some remote areas. It truly is an amazing place.
Fingers crossed they don't just sensationalise it for TV!
So tell us, any bear encounters? Or Coyote/Puma encounters?
Post by: DazMechanical on June 25, 2015, 10:34:16 AM
Post by: styx on June 25, 2015, 10:56:57 AM
I watched the first episode last night! Will be interesting to see how long they last!
Ture, but somehow it was easy to tell who'll be the first guy to tap out
Post by: Henry on June 25, 2015, 11:14:27 AM
I know there was a black bear death last year up in the oil fields, but it was the first in 20 or so years.
I think I'll watch it, but it's definitely going to be frustrating. For example the 'I work in law enforcement so I'm used to humans acting like wild animals, this will be no problem' attitude.
Id also be interested to see the list they chose their 10items from (from the similarities, it looks like it was fairly limited). Would be fun to pick your own 10.
Post by: DazMechanical on June 25, 2015, 11:23:33 AM
I watched the first episode last night! Will be interesting to see how long they last!
Ture, but somehow it was easy to tell who'll be the first guy to tap out
Yeah, I could see it from the start, It's pretty annoying that somebody else missed out on a chance because that guy was way under prepared for the challenge.
Post by: styx on June 25, 2015, 12:11:06 PM
I watched the first episode last night! Will be interesting to see how long they last!
Ture, but somehow it was easy to tell who'll be the first guy to tap out
Yeah, I could see it from the start, It's pretty annoying that somebody else missed out on a chance because that guy was way under prepared for the challenge.
I agree. On the other hand maybe we can tell from the get go but can the producers tell that as well? And why can we say that - is it because we are observing something that has been carefully edited, is it some sense developed trough experience or perhaps an instinct that goes back to more primal times of human history, or simply our own arrogance? How hard is it to tell and what are the realistic qualifications that people were expected to meet?
For instance there are some online "courses" that have a very preachy crowd behind it but when you really look at it in it's core, you don't have to leave your back yard to advance to the intermediate level. So while the idea is great, it's lack or refinement leaves room for simply faking it.
On the other hand I've found 3 of the contestants on Youtube and they have very sensible content on there. But again, can your run of the mill producer really tell that considering the vast number of reality wilderness and or redneck shows that are on today?
In other regards here is Wayne Russell's explanation of his 10 items:
1) 12×12 ground sheet
2) 550 paracord – 20m
3) Saw
4) Axe
5) Sleeping bag
6) large 2 quart pot
7) Ferro rod
8) 300 yards of single filament fishing line and 25 assorted hooks
9) knife
10) Leatherman multi tool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYjQEARnSVk
Post by: pfrsantos on June 25, 2015, 12:19:41 PM
I watched the first episode last night! Will be interesting to see how long they last!
Ture, but somehow it was easy to tell who'll be the first guy to tap out
Yeah, I could see it from the start, It's pretty annoying that somebody else missed out on a chance because that guy was way under prepared for the challenge.
I agree. On the other hand maybe we can tell from the get go but can the producers tell that as well? And why can we say that - is it because we are observing something that has been carefully edited, is it some sense developed trough experience or perhaps an instinct that goes back to more primal times of human history, or simply our own arrogance? How hard is it to tell and what are the realistic qualifications that people were expected to meet?
For instance there are some online "courses" that have a very preachy crowd behind it but when you really look at it in it's core, you don't have to leave your back yard to advance to the intermediate level. So while the idea is great, it's lack or refinement leaves room for simply faking it.
On the other hand I've found 3 of the contestants on Youtube and they have very sensible content on there. But again, can your run of the mill producer really tell that considering the vast number of reality wilderness and or redneck shows that are on today?
In other regards here is Wayne Russell's explanation of his 10 items:
1) 12×12 ground sheet
2) 550 paracord – 20m
3) Saw
4) Axe
5) Sleeping bag
6) large 2 quart pot
7) Ferro rod
8) 300 yards of single filament fishing line and 25 assorted hooks
9) knife
10) Leatherman multi tool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYjQEARnSVk
You really liked item nº8, huh?...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: ducttapetech on June 25, 2015, 12:43:31 PM
Nate
That's us mobile
Post by: styx on June 25, 2015, 12:55:34 PM
I watched the first episode last night! Will be interesting to see how long they last!
Ture, but somehow it was easy to tell who'll be the first guy to tap out
Yeah, I could see it from the start, It's pretty annoying that somebody else missed out on a chance because that guy was way under prepared for the challenge.
I agree. On the other hand maybe we can tell from the get go but can the producers tell that as well? And why can we say that - is it because we are observing something that has been carefully edited, is it some sense developed trough experience or perhaps an instinct that goes back to more primal times of human history, or simply our own arrogance? How hard is it to tell and what are the realistic qualifications that people were expected to meet?
For instance there are some online "courses" that have a very preachy crowd behind it but when you really look at it in it's core, you don't have to leave your back yard to advance to the intermediate level. So while the idea is great, it's lack or refinement leaves room for simply faking it.
On the other hand I've found 3 of the contestants on Youtube and they have very sensible content on there. But again, can your run of the mill producer really tell that considering the vast number of reality wilderness and or redneck shows that are on today?
In other regards here is Wayne Russell's explanation of his 10 items:
1) 12×12 ground sheet
2) 550 paracord – 20m
3) Saw
4) Axe
5) Sleeping bag
6) large 2 quart pot
7) Ferro rod
8) 300 yards of single filament fishing line and 25 assorted hooks
9) knife
10) Leatherman multi tool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYjQEARnSVk
You really liked item nº8, huh?...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Yep. Makes more sense for a show with kids than a box of dinamite, even though that makes fishing easier
Post by: DazMechanical on June 25, 2015, 02:34:31 PM
I watched the first episode last night! Will be interesting to see how long they last!
Ture, but somehow it was easy to tell who'll be the first guy to tap out
Yeah, I could see it from the start, It's pretty annoying that somebody else missed out on a chance because that guy was way under prepared for the challenge.
I agree. On the other hand maybe we can tell from the get go but can the producers tell that as well? And why can we say that - is it because we are observing something that has been carefully edited, is it some sense developed trough experience or perhaps an instinct that goes back to more primal times of human history, or simply our own arrogance? How hard is it to tell and what are the realistic qualifications that people were expected to meet?
For instance there are some online "courses" that have a very preachy crowd behind it but when you really look at it in it's core, you don't have to leave your back yard to advance to the intermediate level. So while the idea is great, it's lack or refinement leaves room for simply faking it.
On the other hand I've found 3 of the contestants on Youtube and they have very sensible content on there. But again, can your run of the mill producer really tell that considering the vast number of reality wilderness and or redneck shows that are on today?
In other regards here is Wayne Russell's explanation of his 10 items:
1) 12×12 ground sheet
2) 550 paracord – 20m
3) Saw
4) Axe
5) Sleeping bag
6) large 2 quart pot
7) Ferro rod
8) 300 yards of single filament fishing line and 25 assorted hooks
9) knife
10) Leatherman multi tool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYjQEARnSVk
When the dude found the bear den 30 yards away from his camp and didn't move camp farther away, that is when I said to my wife "this guy is not gonna last it very long"
I agree the editing has everything to do with how the contestants are portrayed, and I don't claim to be an expert woodsman, but really, some common sense and fore thought wouldn't have gone a stray there...
Post by: firiki on June 25, 2015, 02:58:22 PM
Post by: Aloha on June 25, 2015, 04:09:05 PM
I encountered black bears on an almost daily basis in the summer months. A lot of people who don't live in bear country don't seem to understand the huge differences in behaviour between black bears and grizzlys, and from the first episode my fears of sensationalisation were definitely confirmed! Announce yourself and don't surprise them and they will back off.
I know there was a black bear death last year up in the oil fields, but it was the first in 20 or so years.
I think I'll watch it, but it's definitely going to be frustrating. For example the 'I work in law enforcement so I'm used to humans acting like wild animals, this will be no problem' attitude.
Id also be interested to see the list they chose their 10items from (from the similarities, it looks like it was fairly limited). Would be fun to pick your own 10.
This tends to be the prevailing thought when in bear country, even grizzly.
I'm with Daz on the choice on the shelter the guy chose. He clearly saw an active bear den. I certain these guys all had some kind of pre drop off "talk" with a local about the wild life in the area.
TV editing is great at showing what the producers want to get the ratings. I'll say however the guy was clearly overwhelmed by his own admission IIRC. He also had a look of deer in head lights and seemed very emotional. I don't think it was good timing on his part to have a pregnant wife and young kid at home.
No knock against him at all. It certainly is one thing to practice these skills in a class or back yard setting or even a familiar setting vs being dropped off in un familiar area.
Post by: inkster on June 25, 2015, 06:55:23 PM
Post by: styx on June 25, 2015, 07:05:38 PM
I watched the first episode last night! Will be interesting to see how long they last!
Ture, but somehow it was easy to tell who'll be the first guy to tap out
Yeah, I could see it from the start, It's pretty annoying that somebody else missed out on a chance because that guy was way under prepared for the challenge.
I agree. On the other hand maybe we can tell from the get go but can the producers tell that as well? And why can we say that - is it because we are observing something that has been carefully edited, is it some sense developed trough experience or perhaps an instinct that goes back to more primal times of human history, or simply our own arrogance? How hard is it to tell and what are the realistic qualifications that people were expected to meet?
For instance there are some online "courses" that have a very preachy crowd behind it but when you really look at it in it's core, you don't have to leave your back yard to advance to the intermediate level. So while the idea is great, it's lack or refinement leaves room for simply faking it.
On the other hand I've found 3 of the contestants on Youtube and they have very sensible content on there. But again, can your run of the mill producer really tell that considering the vast number of reality wilderness and or redneck shows that are on today?
In other regards here is Wayne Russell's explanation of his 10 items:
1) 12×12 ground sheet
2) 550 paracord – 20m
3) Saw
4) Axe
5) Sleeping bag
6) large 2 quart pot
7) Ferro rod
8) 300 yards of single filament fishing line and 25 assorted hooks
9) knife
10) Leatherman multi tool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYjQEARnSVk
When the dude found the bear den 30 yards away from his camp and didn't move camp farther away, that is when I said to my wife "this guy is not gonna last it very long"
I agree the editing has everything to do with how the contestants are portrayed, and I don't claim to be an expert woodsman, but really, some common sense and fore thought wouldn't have gone a stray there...
common sense is so uncommon these days it's counted as a superpower
Post by: pfrsantos on June 26, 2015, 04:17:35 PM
I watched the first episode last night! Will be interesting to see how long they last!
Ture, but somehow it was easy to tell who'll be the first guy to tap out
Yeah, I could see it from the start, It's pretty annoying that somebody else missed out on a chance because that guy was way under prepared for the challenge.
I agree. On the other hand maybe we can tell from the get go but can the producers tell that as well? And why can we say that - is it because we are observing something that has been carefully edited, is it some sense developed trough experience or perhaps an instinct that goes back to more primal times of human history, or simply our own arrogance? How hard is it to tell and what are the realistic qualifications that people were expected to meet?
For instance there are some online "courses" that have a very preachy crowd behind it but when you really look at it in it's core, you don't have to leave your back yard to advance to the intermediate level. So while the idea is great, it's lack or refinement leaves room for simply faking it.
On the other hand I've found 3 of the contestants on Youtube and they have very sensible content on there. But again, can your run of the mill producer really tell that considering the vast number of reality wilderness and or redneck shows that are on today?
In other regards here is Wayne Russell's explanation of his 10 items:
1) 12×12 ground sheet
2) 550 paracord – 20m
3) Saw
4) Axe
5) Sleeping bag
6) large 2 quart pot
7) Ferro rod
8) 300 yards of single filament fishing line and 25 assorted hooks
9) knife
10) Leatherman multi tool
When the dude found the bear den 30 yards away from his camp and didn't move camp farther away, that is when I said to my wife "this guy is not gonna last it very long"
I agree the editing has everything to do with how the contestants are portrayed, and I don't claim to be an expert woodsman, but really, some common sense and fore thought wouldn't have gone a stray there...
common sense is so uncommon these days it's counted as a superpower
That's true, you know?
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1366/4600745890_238784df33_z.jpg)
Post by: pfrsantos on June 26, 2015, 04:19:22 PM
:whistle:
Post by: Henry on June 29, 2015, 07:49:26 AM
Also its winter here, so I'm not getting out as much as I'd like to, this helps distract me!
Post by: styx on June 29, 2015, 09:50:26 AM
Post by: Henry on June 29, 2015, 10:10:56 AM
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Phobia of dogs, living around wolves is never going to work!
Post by: DazMechanical on June 29, 2015, 10:36:13 AM
I just watched episode 2, it seems that the wheat is getting separated from the chaff quickly, so it will become less frustrating. I believe programs like these become most interesting when you can put yourself in the contestant's shoes, and you're naturally thinking what you would do in each situation, then you get to see one option pan out. This definitely looks like it might be where its headed, so I think I'm going to stick with it.
Also its winter here, so I'm not getting out as much as I'd like to, this helps distract me!
Are you watching it online? Or has the second episode already aired in NZ?
Post by: Henry on June 29, 2015, 10:44:08 AM
Post by: DazMechanical on June 29, 2015, 11:47:20 AM
I've been watching it online.
Cool :D
Post by: Aloha on June 29, 2015, 03:29:48 PM
The latest man off was a bit of a surprise to me
I was also quite surprised :think:. I can put myself in his shoes however I'm beginning to wonder what gives? These guys all knew in a fair amount of time what type dangers would be involved. They each have bear spray and I'm certain each were given details about how to avoid conflict with predators.
If in fact he has a dog phobia then what made him think this was the time to try to get over it? I looking at this from the standpoint of other guys not getting an opportunity to be on the show.
I don't know how far in advance they knew where and what they'd encounter tho it's hard to believe with all the waivers they had to sign they didn't know full well.
No bad on him for leaving but yeah very surprised.
Post by: styx on June 29, 2015, 04:21:51 PM
Post by: DazMechanical on June 30, 2015, 05:29:37 AM
Post by: Aloha on June 30, 2015, 05:47:53 AM
I gotta wait 1 more night to see what you guys are on about, but by the sounds of it some of these guys are in way over their heads! Being alone in the wild isn't the best time to face your fears :facepalm:
Exactly nor is it the time to practice skills IMO. This to me is a place to test skill sets learned and honed over time and in various situations. If the only surviving done was in a back yard or campsite then this was most certainly the wrong place to be.
Post by: Henry on June 30, 2015, 06:23:48 AM
Bit of a risk to quit your job indefinitely!
Post by: DazMechanical on June 30, 2015, 10:23:07 AM
I gotta wait 1 more night to see what you guys are on about, but by the sounds of it some of these guys are in way over their heads! Being alone in the wild isn't the best time to face your fears :facepalm:
Exactly nor is it the time to practice skills IMO. This to me is a place to test skill sets learned and honed over time and in various situations. If the only surviving done was in a back yard or campsite then this was most certainly the wrong place to be.
Agreed! :salute:
So do they need a 1 week competition to qualify for the chance? I wonder if they'd even have enough people entering...
Bit of a risk to quit your job indefinitely!
I really have no idea how they would choose their contestants, probably an interview and some practical tests maybe?
Post by: ducttapetech on June 30, 2015, 11:26:56 AM
Nate
That's us mobile
Post by: styx on June 30, 2015, 01:04:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz1Ve-5UQQY
I'm also getting a strong feeling that rather than applying some were recruited or contacted due to their Youtube content, perhaps standings on certain forums
Post by: ducttapetech on June 30, 2015, 01:59:37 PM
Well Joe also put out a video on his 10 item choices and I like the honesty, especially when it came to friction fire.I think you maybe on to something there Styx. Joe has been a YouTube for along while doing bushcraft and backpacking vids. He and a friend of his just started a bushcraft school.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz1Ve-5UQQY
I'm also getting a strong feeling that rather than applying some were recruited or contacted due to their Youtube content, perhaps standings on certain forums
Anyhow, he is the one I am hoping that makes it to the end. If not him, Mitch is my second.
Nate
That's us mobile
Post by: styx on July 01, 2015, 08:26:18 PM
Post by: Aloha on July 01, 2015, 09:14:33 PM
As far as the "trolls", I get that criticism can get very mean spirited and rude which is unfortunate. It does make me wonder why with all the planning anyone would decide to go given the area and the particular time of year.
I sure hope I dont sound trollish in saying this, I know being honest with my fears and my limited skills I'd not have even gave this show a nano second of thought. It seems the first two who tapped out may have needed a bit more time in deciding.
I'd now be interested in how the cast was chosen.
Post by: styx on July 02, 2015, 10:36:13 AM
However I'm not sure how trollish were the comments. It's one thing to simply be negative, it's another to question and apparently that is sth we shouldn't do either.
I too would be interesting in hearing how the casting process worked.
The interesting thing to me is that Mitch, Joe and Wayne have 3 different approaches if you look at their youtube videos but in the same situation those distinctions become negligible as all 3 are doing the common sense thing. And this is something that might, could and should piss off some elitists.
Post by: Henry on July 12, 2015, 02:03:41 AM
Definitely different levels between the guys surviving well and those going home. For some fire/water/food have all been challenges easily overcome already and allowing them to settle in for the long haul.
Definitely making me excited for spring to get out camping again.
Post by: Aloha on July 12, 2015, 02:51:54 AM
So just had episode 4, it looks like if they did a week trial to get in they wouldn't have managed many contestants!
Definitely different levels between the guys surviving well and those going home. For some fire/water/food have all been challenges easily overcome already and allowing them to settle in for the long haul.
Definitely making me excited for spring to get out camping again.
I agree.
I am a bit surprised with all the loneliness talk. I might be a total odd ball but I rather like solitude. I'm not sure why the shelters aren't being worked on more, however with the shows editing we might not be seeing the total picture.
So far so good and I'm in for next week.
Post by: Henry on July 12, 2015, 03:49:38 AM
But yeah I'm going to watch the whole series anyway...
Post by: styx on July 12, 2015, 10:14:05 AM
I'm wondering if History would go out of it's way and when all of this is said and done, get a renowned survivalist to take the challenge under the same conditions to see how these guys stack up to the tv pros.
Post by: Aloha on July 12, 2015, 04:05:58 PM
It would be incredibly interesting to see a "pro" out there.
There was one guy who had what appeared to be a terrific shelter, I believe its Alan. This same guy also while missing his family seems to have a good foot hold on being there.
The real young guy Sam also had a decent shelter and continues to have a pretty good disposition.
Ok question, am I wrong is saying with the amount of rain and the tarps most brought some type of rain catch would be a good idea? I know Mitch found a great water source but the guy filtering water thru moss seemed confused.
With the amount of time they had to prepare I'd have thought a rain catch would have been sorted out. I live in a dry area so not much rain per year but you better believe I would have been darn near expert level in harvesting rain water.
Lastly, I am still very confused as to why better shelter aren't being worked on. In survival situations the goal is to be found but this is about hunkering down for as long as possible. It may be that we aren't seeing something due to the show editing.
Post by: styx on July 12, 2015, 05:04:19 PM
Using tarps for a rain catch is a good idea, however there is often all sorts of stuff in it that falls from trees. So it is a good way to get water but some basic filtering is needed
Post by: styx on July 15, 2015, 07:52:18 PM
Post by: Aloha on July 16, 2015, 07:15:38 AM
Post by: styx on July 16, 2015, 10:05:43 AM
Post by: RT1969 on July 16, 2015, 11:02:13 AM
Note: I could vanish in a line-up of them as I look pretty much the same - That doesn't really help my feelings. :(
Now to the contest: I am surprised how many close encounters with predators occured up to now. I would have thought the animals would be more shy. (shier? Doesn't look right to me, but maybe it is.) I would have freaked out, too. But to let brackish water flow over moos, well that was just stupid, imo.
And I am expecting more stable shelters in the next episodes. The caught salmon was a step into a more orderer lifestyle. I'll keep watching. :)
Post by: Aloha on July 16, 2015, 04:35:19 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if we saw some of the stronger people from naked survival show. I also wonder what about the awesome women survivalist?
Post by: styx on July 16, 2015, 05:38:06 PM
Post by: RT1969 on July 16, 2015, 08:48:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/user/alonewolverine1984
Post by: THE_LONGBOW on July 16, 2015, 08:53:41 PM
Post by: Henry on July 17, 2015, 08:04:13 AM
Sure does. Although I am surprised that he didn't go for a tarp
Screenshot from 3minutes in on episode 5
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when Mitch is being stalked by a cougar
That definitely looks like a tarp to me... even though its not on his list. He is using his bivvy bag too.
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h120/henrymarsh/Screen%20Shot%202015-07-17%20at%205.58.03%20pm_zpsraxmpdve.png)
Edit:
A better image from later in the show.
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h120/henrymarsh/Screen%20Shot%202015-07-17%20at%206.43.15%20pm_zpsenqvpgmb.png)
Post by: Aloha on July 17, 2015, 08:21:10 AM
Post by: styx on July 17, 2015, 09:30:32 AM
Henry, see this is what I couldn't put my finger on. Somehow makes not a whole lotta sense
Post by: styx on July 17, 2015, 04:05:08 PM
http://www.history.com/shows/alone/articles/want-to-be-on-alone
Post by: Aloha on July 17, 2015, 04:17:19 PM
I also wonder about some of the conversations these guys are having with themselves. I was saying to my roommate the one guy last night seemed prompted. I'm sure they were told to film or make a video diary otherwise watching guy in the woods would be rather boring.
Good episode tho.
Post by: styx on July 17, 2015, 04:53:31 PM
Post by: Henry on July 18, 2015, 01:00:08 AM
I also don't like being in trees when the wind picks up, that would be a scarier night sleep that the predators!
Post by: DazMechanical on July 18, 2015, 02:20:40 AM
Post by: Henry on July 18, 2015, 06:31:19 AM
Sam broke down this week, I thought attitude was his strongest card so I wonder how long he will survive. Especially after he admitted that once he thought of home it was only a matter of time.
Has there ever been a Naked And Alone on Vancouver Island? I've only watched a few episodes, be interested to see!
Post by: DazMechanical on July 18, 2015, 07:09:11 AM
Post by: Aloha on July 18, 2015, 07:32:01 AM
Ok so am I wrong in feeling like in this environment shelter is of the UTMOST importance not a flipping boat? Next would be water and with the amount of rain that shouldn't be insanely difficult. There were "rations" available so next would be security from predators which also is part of shelter.
I found some of the camera angles to be questionable and the tarp thing now is really questionable. I agree that the trees blowing as hard as they were is very scary and dangerous. The animals would make anyone edgy but a secure shelter with fire does wonders for the psych.
I sure hate to be questioning this show so early but somethings just aren't adding up.
Post by: styx on July 18, 2015, 09:54:09 AM
So is anyone applying for next season?
Post by: RT1969 on July 18, 2015, 12:16:53 PM
Ok so am I wrong in feeling like in this environment shelter is of the UTMOST importance not a flipping boat?
My thoughts exactly. I don't get why he put so much emphasis on the canoe. Might have built a decent small cabin in this timespan, and with all the felled wood he had. But maybe he built the foundation where he built the frame to now become the foundation of a cabin? If not, that was a lot of construction for one canoe.
Post by: Toolslinger on July 18, 2015, 02:38:20 PM
Again, the above is just internet rumour, but helps explain why everyone didn't select a tarp as part of their gear.
Post by: Aloha on July 18, 2015, 03:57:38 PM
When I saw Mitch use the tin to make char I thought whoa that wasn't on his list. I'm sure there are some things that weren't counted like the bear spray and flares. I was thinking about myself on this show, the producers would be pissed at me for sure. I am terrible at operating a camera regardless of "training". I'd be so focused on settling in and either I'd forger or every video would be after the fact.
Post by: styx on July 18, 2015, 06:48:30 PM
Post by: Henry on July 19, 2015, 09:05:59 AM
Post by: Henry on July 31, 2015, 11:46:58 AM
Contestants have been out there for over a month now, so the comparison to naked and afraid has kind of passed. Especially considering most NF contestants barely eat and lose 30lbs and struggle to make it out. These guys may be hungry, but they're living comfortably.
I'm enjoying it more now that they're all past the initial stages, so their different styles are coming out more.
I'm definitely thinking Alan is a pretty safe bet for the win. Though the preview for next week made it look like winter is properly setting in so that might be a gamechanger. Especially as they're all relying on fishing/water for their main food source.
Post by: styx on July 31, 2015, 01:03:25 PM
Being given extra items is bs if you ask me. That way you're entering the situation with additional items. On the other hand Alan did make a really fine choice with that kukri.
I wonder if my idea of carrying a saw would work. I have a large round tin that fits my hobo fishing kit and in theory it could fit a buck saw blade (gotta try it) so you'd get a metal container that is roughly the size of a smaller cup that people tend to use for backpacking (a bit above 200ml)
Post by: Toolslinger on July 31, 2015, 02:50:59 PM
This just shows that mice is valid food.
Being given extra items is bs if you ask me. That way you're entering the situation with additional items. On the other hand Alan did make a really fine choice with that kukri.
I wonder if my idea of carrying a saw would work. I have a large round tin that fits my hobo fishing kit and in theory it could fit a buck saw blade (gotta try it) so you'd get a metal container that is roughly the size of a smaller cup that people tend to use for backpacking (a bit above 200ml)
To a certain extent I agree. ie when it comes to not counting certain containers (like the tin for the hooks) but not allowing them to come in the small plastic baggie? Also, considering the environment, I think every contestant would have picked a tarp if they weren't already being given one. It's just too wet to have to rely solely on being able to build shelter out of the local resources.
I guess it comes down to the producers to decide what does and doesn't count as an item. I think they were trying to get some variety in the items the contestant's brought with them, but where do you draw the line? If you gave everyone the same kit list (besides clothes on their backs) then you could prevent the 'extras' from sneaking in. Otherwise, it looks like Mitch got a good tip from another contestant and was able to act on it. Can't fault him for it really. I would want every possible edge going into a situation like that and wouldn't turn down a char tin.
Post by: styx on July 31, 2015, 03:52:51 PM
The environment really requires an axe but you could probably get by with a large chopper. So how would they feel if it had a piggyback knife on the sheath? The tin thing is more to exploit the holes in the system thing.
As to bringing the same equipment, there isn't much diversity anyway. Look at this:
Axe (all 10)
Sleeping Bag (all 10)
2 Qt Pot (all 10)
Ferro Rod (all 10)
25 piece Fishing Kit with Line (all 10)
Knife (9 / Josh Chevez had no knife)
12×12 Tarp (Only 6 carried)
Saw (6 chose this tool)
Paracord (5 chose this item)
Bow & 6 Arrows (4 chose this item)
Gill Net (4 chose this item)
Emergency Rations (3 chose this item)
Canteen/Waterbottle (3 chose this item)
Leathermen Multi-Tool (2 chose this item)
Bivy Bag (2 chose this item)
Sling Shot (2 chose this item)
Sharpening Stone (2 chose this item)
Wire (Only 1)
Extra Tarp (Only 1)
The same Site also says that all were given the following items:
Pack
Flare
Bear Spray
Life Jacket
12×12 tarp
5×7 tarp
You can read more here:
http://morethanjustsurviving.com/alone-season-1-survival-gear/
Post by: Aloha on July 31, 2015, 04:29:47 PM
I really liked hearing Sam speak about his attitude towards getting frustrated and his take on things in general. He really seems like a solid young man not to mention funny. Winning small battles and not letting the mishaps and disappointments get you down is important.
Mitch appears to be hearing the voices in his head pretty loudly now too. It's hard to gauge him since he's not terribly emotional. He's had some successes and does seem very skilled but man those voices.
Lucas is a trip, one moment I feel he's gonna tap the next he's planning to move camp. That boat of his came into play which is so cool. He seems very emotional besides this show so hopefully he'll be able to get a handle on that. It doesn't seem to break him tho so..... He very well may be the surprise in this show.
I swear Alan is chewing something every time we see him, what the heck can it be? I am digging this guy's approach. Day by day and evolving to meet the challenges of the environment. I also am interested in his dialogue with the camera. He is within himself and his thoughts which seems to fuel him. His shelter appears to be the most secure and stable. He has a decent hold on resources limited as they are and his mindset is one that should sustain him.
I was wonderring when it does finally come down to two and one taps out when will they tell the last man standing he's won? I wondered how long their "rations" lasted? Bravo to these men at this point.
Post by: Toolslinger on July 31, 2015, 05:23:36 PM
I don't mind the tin as much as the tarps. Some guys used the 1 or 2 of the 10 times to bring a tarp while others still got to have a tarp even though they didn't choose it. Perhaps if you were to give everyone a 10x10 tarp from the get go and then have them choose from the 40 item list where they can bring 1 or 2 additional tarps it would be perfectly fine with me since they are all going in with the same provided equipment.
The environment really requires an axe but you could probably get by with a large chopper. So how would they feel if it had a piggyback knife on the sheath? The tin thing is more to exploit the holes in the system thing.
As to bringing the same equipment, there isn't much diversity anyway. Look at this:
Axe (all 10)
Sleeping Bag (all 10)
2 Qt Pot (all 10)
Ferro Rod (all 10)
25 piece Fishing Kit with Line (all 10)
Knife (9 / Josh Chevez had no knife)
12×12 Tarp (Only 6 carried)
Saw (6 chose this tool)
Paracord (5 chose this item)
Bow & 6 Arrows (4 chose this item)
Gill Net (4 chose this item)
Emergency Rations (3 chose this item)
Canteen/Waterbottle (3 chose this item)
Leathermen Multi-Tool (2 chose this item)
Bivy Bag (2 chose this item)
Sling Shot (2 chose this item)
Sharpening Stone (2 chose this item)
Wire (Only 1)
Extra Tarp (Only 1)
The same Site also says that all were given the following items:
Pack
Flare
Bear Spray
Life Jacket
12×12 tarp
5×7 tarp
You can read more here:
http://morethanjustsurviving.com/alone-season-1-survival-gear/
Regarding the tarp, I see no problem with it if they knew up front that they would be given the tarps and that the one in their 10 item kit was extra. That seems perfectly reasonable. If it was a last minute 'here have 2 tarps' then I would have a problem with it as the people who chose a tarp would in essence be losing out on an extra item.
As to the knife with a piggyback blade, that one seems pretty clear cut as it is 2 knives of different sizes and styles and would count as 2 if they were even allowed to double up (don't think this was the case though).
I found it interesting that they banned the small plastic bags and some of the packaging material that things came in. Reference the small plastic bag that the fish hooks would have been purchased in (at least locally that's how they come packaged). They didn't allow the cheap plastic bag but allowed a metal tin. That one makes no sense to me.
Post by: Toolslinger on July 31, 2015, 05:27:08 PM
Wow with winter setting in I am very curious as to how this will play out. This will most likely be the game changer. Sam will need to get his shelter buttoned up and while we haven't got a good look at Lucas' shelter he's moving camp so we'll see what he constructs. Alan does seem the most "settled" however at this point the voices are getting louder in his head.
I really liked hearing Sam speak about his attitude towards getting frustrated and his take on things in general. He really seems like a solid young man not to mention funny. Winning small battles and not letting the mishaps and disappointments get you down is important.
Mitch appears to be hearing the voices in his head pretty loudly now too. It's hard to gauge him since he's not terribly emotional. He's had some successes and does seem very skilled but man those voices.
Lucas is a trip, one moment I feel he's gonna tap the next he's planning to move camp. That boat of his came into play which is so cool. He seems very emotional besides this show so hopefully he'll be able to get a handle on that. It doesn't seem to break him tho so..... He very well may be the surprise in this show.
I swear Alan is chewing something every time we see him, what the heck can it be? I am digging this guy's approach. Day by day and evolving to meet the challenges of the environment. I also am interested in his dialogue with the camera. He is within himself and his thoughts which seems to fuel him. His shelter appears to be the most secure and stable. He has a decent hold on resources limited as they are and his mindset is one that should sustain him.
I was wonderring when it does finally come down to two and one taps out when will they tell the last man standing he's won? I wondered how long their "rations" lasted? Bravo to these men at this point.
I'm with you on Lucas. That guy seems to be all over the place emotionally and I keep expecting him to tap out. Yet he is still there.
Alan has really embraced the mental dialog and I think that talking it out to the camera is helping keep him sane.
Sam may end up in trouble if he doesn't improve his shelter situation. He also mentioned in the previous episode that he's started thinking about family and that could start messing with his head.
I'm still pulling for Mitch but think that at this point, there's no predicting who's going next.
Post by: Aloha on July 31, 2015, 05:53:57 PM
Sam, this young man is a trip. Is he winging it? I believe he has skills but I'm not seeing it apart from the trap. I can't tell if he close to tapping or he's just lamenting.
Mitch has skills but I really cannot gauge him emotionally. Last night he seemed really bummed but I dont know where his head is at.
Alan definitely has been using this time to sort out stuff from his past. Introspection can be a $@&%h.
It really is hard to call at this point. Anyone can tap coming into winter tho I see Mitch going next then Sam then between Alan and Lucas I really cannot call it. If no one on taps next weeks airing my feelings may change.
Post by: Toolslinger on July 31, 2015, 05:56:37 PM
Post by: Aloha on July 31, 2015, 05:59:13 PM
Post by: styx on July 31, 2015, 06:41:42 PM
As far as those who tapped the summary for Joe is that he lost the firesteel and couldn't find it. Without it he couldn't start a fire and it was getting miserable.
For Wayne it was the feeling of becoming dinner. He felt stalked and trapped by that black bear and it got to him since he was worried for his safety
Post by: Toolslinger on July 31, 2015, 06:42:47 PM
Slinger, that is exactly what I mean when it comes to the tarps.
:tu:
Post by: Toolslinger on July 31, 2015, 06:44:01 PM
It will be interesting to hear the guys who have left the show talk about their experiences and their reasons for tapping out. I'm routing for Lucas while Alan seems more experienced. I'm liking all the guys at this point honestly. Bravo to all.
I wonder what the NDA time line is like? I would imagine they'd be able to be reasonably open about it after the show ends but I can see the producers wanting to keep a gag on some things for future seasons.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 03, 2015, 12:32:30 PM
I had a bit of a Peter Pan moment, I was telling my cousin (a year younger than me @39) about the show, mentioned "this older guy".......only to remember I'm the same age :-\ :rofl:
I'm hope Alan takes it, I have to suspect that he skimped on the filming in the beginning, but he seemed get settled with the least fuss, and a lot of what he says resonates with me.
Post by: Aloha on August 03, 2015, 10:08:08 PM
Post by: styx on August 03, 2015, 10:34:41 PM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 04, 2015, 09:40:07 AM
Lots of tiny fish will fill you up as well!
There's a reason why I tasted what bugs are like, and I know it's a more likely option to keep me alive than most things... :cheers:
Post by: THE_LONGBOW on August 04, 2015, 04:13:07 PM
Post by: styx on August 04, 2015, 05:14:26 PM
Post by: Aloha on August 05, 2015, 12:24:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q5FdzHaOuE
Post by: Aloha on August 05, 2015, 12:30:02 AM
I wonder how many of these guys wives or moms do everything for them. If they've been married for a while and live like most men I see then everything is done for them. Heck I'd miss home too if that were the case.
Post by: styx on August 05, 2015, 10:06:11 AM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 05, 2015, 12:59:14 PM
We hear Alan dealing with some voices however what he seems to have is the right attitude about being there. Lucas for example appears to forget he chose to be there and can tap any time he wants. Longing for home is one thing but the appearance from some was like they were forced in this.:rofl:
I wonder how many of these guys wives or moms do everything for them. If they've been married for a while and live like most men I see then everything is done for them. Heck I'd miss home too if that were the case.
You said it brother! :cheers:
If I don't clean it or cook it, I have to eat it raw or live with it dirty.
Post by: styx on August 05, 2015, 02:34:41 PM
Now that would truly make it a survival show
Post by: Syph007 on August 05, 2015, 02:35:34 PM
The guy that left because he was afraid of bears made me laugh. I know bears can be unpredictable, but black bears so very rarely attack humans. I spent the first 19 years of my life in northern ontario and saw plenty of bears. I never ever once heard of one attacking a person.
I did hear of many moose attacking people though. One went after my dad during hunting season. He didnt have a license to shoot a hunt a bull which this was, and it was charging him and he was playing dodge behind a tree to try to avoid it. He fired many shots in the air and but the moose was not leaving. He decided he might have to shoot it and lowered the gun to aim for the head, but fired the shot above its head still to scare it. The bullet actually passed through the moose's ear, and he said he could see daylight thought the small circle it made. That was enough to finally scare the bull moose and it turned and ran. So if I every meet a bull moose in the woods with an ear ring I'll know it was the one. :D
Post by: Henry on August 06, 2015, 11:25:34 AM
@Syph007 - if I recall correctly, last year there was the first black bear death in 19years in Canada, up in the oil fields, so you'd have to be very unlucky. I'd be more scared of the wolves and cougars for sure.
Post by: Henry on August 08, 2015, 12:59:24 AM
Lucas carrying on to define himself as a builder, yurt looks great. Only thing I didn't like was cutting a hole in the tarp, there is always a way to wrap/fold. Same thing annoys me when people just cut rope immediately.
Alan might not have anything to prove already; I wonder if that will remove him from the favourite position.
Sam looks like he's losing it and really needs to stop wasting time on 30calorie mice... In the coming up next he looked like he might have success with a bow so that'll be good.
Post by: Aloha on August 08, 2015, 01:14:26 AM
I was wondering when bows and arrows would come into play. I have said it countless times and so here I go again.......
If you play to be a survivor then please fast for a week. A strict caloric restrictive diet ( provided you are healthy to do so ) and cut the smokes and drinks while you are at it. We know that water is vital but for some/many food is never far away nor are smokes/drinks.
I may be wrong but water IMO was never a major issue in this environment with all the rain. Shelter was a biggie again because of all the rain. Food appears to be whats in short demand in this particular scenario.
Post by: Henry on August 08, 2015, 04:28:16 AM
Post by: styx on August 08, 2015, 10:10:18 AM
Now the yurt was phenomenal. And Alan's duck was a great score at this point
Post by: Henry on August 08, 2015, 11:40:24 PM
Post by: THE_LONGBOW on August 09, 2015, 06:31:07 AM
Lucas seems to be doing well the yurt is good. I think he is going to be the most comfortable which will help with attitude. I think the others are making a mistake by not working on better shelter.
Sam has me questioning what he is doing as it looks like he has a bow and arrows and he is wasting energy on mice. Where there are predators there is prey.
Mitch setting his trout line to far out was a mistake. He should have set 2 or3 staggered lines out from shore or watched the tides better.
I think Alan is giving up as he has quit eating.
After a month nobody is having fun.
I wish they would show the actual day and month. It has been below freezing so it must be October or November. Being by the ocean does help moderate temperatures.
Post by: styx on August 09, 2015, 10:10:10 AM
Post by: Aloha on August 10, 2015, 12:08:05 AM
Alan sounds like he has nothing left to prove to himself which from what I have been hearing from him is why he came in the first place.
Sam does sound like his motivation for being there is dwindling.
I think the mental aspects are fascinating to watch. The Yurt is terrific and so is his guitar. He's quite the busy beaver. I dig how this guy goes thru moments of what appears to be an emotional break down ( I called it purging ) and then BAM BANG BOOM the dude is playing a guitar in a yurt while his freaking boat is sitting outside.
I'm not sure what to think about Mitch. He's hard to read for me.
Post by: styx on August 10, 2015, 10:20:42 AM
Lucas might be the one with the best attitude as you've said. He simply lets loose and that's it. Hard to go insane when you're already bat smurf crazy
Post by: NKlamerus on August 10, 2015, 06:35:35 PM
So there is still 4 left?
I really like Sam's process so far.
The guitar, the boat, the yurt, he really came ready to keep his mind busy.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 10, 2015, 11:01:26 PM
The mental aspect, the will to survive......that's why these survival shows tickle me pink.
Post by: Aloha on August 10, 2015, 11:22:36 PM
I have seen the last 2 or 3 episodes. Recording them on DVR.
So there is still 4 left?
I really like Sam's process so far.
The guitar, the boat, the yurt, he really came ready to keep his mind busy.
:pok: Thats Lucas, Sam is the dude catching mice.
Post by: styx on August 11, 2015, 10:43:14 AM
I really digged the Two Note Song :rofl: ......sounds like he really wants a drink! :D
The mental aspect, the will to survive......that's why these survival shows tickle me pink.
Is it really surviving if you can get a mojito or an old fashioned served by a gorgeous cabana girl?
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 11, 2015, 03:57:08 PM
Is it really surviving if you can get a mojito or an old fashioned served by a gorgeous cabana girl?
This is the Alone thread, there's probably a BG thread around here somewhere.......
Post by: Toolslinger on August 11, 2015, 04:54:01 PM
Is it really surviving if you can get a mojito or an old fashioned served by a gorgeous cabana girl?
This is the Alone thread, there's probably a BG thread around here somewhere.......
:rofl:
Throw in a hotel and you've got Man vs Wild. :rofl:
Post by: Toolslinger on August 11, 2015, 05:00:49 PM
Lucas is hard to read. One minute he looks ready to tap and the next he's building a ukelele! Not sure how he is mentally, but his yurt is a pretty nice shelter. If he can add some insulation to the walls and roof, he can be pretty comfortable. Once the weather really dips, his boat good become a liability and hinder his food supply.
Mitch seems to be in a bit of trouble with his food supply. His trot lines need to be relocated if he has any chance at food now that he's out the gill net. Haven't seen to much of his shelter setup lately, so no idea if he's ready to tackle the colder weather. Really hard to say how he's going to do despite pulling for him.
Alan seems to have the right idea. He's at peace (roughly) with his mental state as has produced the most food (on camera) of any of the participants. His cave shelter looks to be pretty solid although it could use some additional insulation and a better fireplace to handle the colder weather. I think he has a real shot at winning if he can keep his mental focus.
Of course, there are only 2 episodes left now, so we'll see how they edit it and how far apart the final contestants are when they tap. At this point, I wouldn't be too surprised if they all went within a day or so of each other. They've all made it for 5+ weeks at this point and it will come down to who can feed and heat themselves and stay mentally tough as the temp and weather continue to plummet.
Post by: styx on August 11, 2015, 05:53:35 PM
Slinger, I have to agree that they might all go within a few days. Although it is sad that the cull happened in the first week and everything else has been between 4 men
Post by: Toolslinger on August 11, 2015, 10:22:53 PM
At the start, they were dropping like flies. I almost figured they would be pacing the rest of the season with 1 guy gone every other episode or so till a final showdown between two guys.
Seems like the first week culled the weak and now it's a stamina/luck race to see who can hold out the longest.
Post by: THE_LONGBOW on August 12, 2015, 02:39:24 AM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 12, 2015, 09:40:00 AM
The coming of winter sets a limit on how long they can stay, one thing I questioned from the start since they have lives to return to in the "real world"
Post by: styx on August 12, 2015, 09:48:59 AM
Post by: Toolslinger on August 12, 2015, 01:00:51 PM
It would be cool to see someone go out and live indefinitely, but that doesn't make for good TV these days. Plus, as was mentioned above, they all have lives to get back to beyond the show.
Post by: styx on August 12, 2015, 02:05:37 PM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 12, 2015, 04:03:41 PM
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I wouldn't be too surprised if the drop off time was intentional to limit the duration. After all, the producers wanted to get the show filmed, edited and on the air so they can make their money.No doubt, but it answers the one big question I had from the start in a not-so-great way....
If I was a contestant I would want to know if there was a maximum time, but as somebody mentioned the big difference mentally with Naked & Afraid is they know its only 21 days....
So here, in effect they know winter is a natural limit to their time out there.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 12, 2015, 04:09:55 PM
Longer term there is Alone in the wild and Richard Proenneke's series.
:tu: Will have a look for that, thanks, missed that somehow!
Post by: THE_LONGBOW on August 12, 2015, 09:04:37 PM
Longer term there is Alone in the wild and Richard Proenneke's series. There was also one guy that went alone for about 60 days if I remember correctly, but for the life of me I can't remember the name of itAlone in the Wilderness is awesome. Dick Proenneke is a true wilderness pioneer. Watch the show it is well worth the time. He did not go to Alaska until he was in his 50s.
Post by: styx on August 12, 2015, 10:22:53 PM
Post by: Henry on August 14, 2015, 11:07:06 AM
Boredom and family. I can't believe Mitch went on the show giving his situation, I'm surprised he stayed for so long and I hope he gets to spend time with his Mum. Lucas didn't have any tasks to keep him going, so lost interest.
Both the other two are prepared to hunker down and do nothing. Slightly disappointed Sam didn't have success with the bow.
Post by: Aloha on August 14, 2015, 04:01:22 PM
Lucas leaving was a bit of a surprise. I think you may be right he just got bored. He mentions he came lacking some confidence and distractions that he seemed to have worked out. He made a terrific showing IMO and could have lasted indefinitely. I always felt he was stronger than he knew.
Sam has a terrific attitude and tenacity but I am still surprised his shelter is so ragtag. I hope he figures out how to source more food and varies his approach. I'm sure his parents are so proud of this young man I know I am.
Alan is a beast! This guy is just going to continue to scratch out an existence and get by day by day. He sounded like he like Lucas had done all he wanted and was ready to tap. I'm glad to see him still there.
I was really routing for Lucas, Alan has seemed like the one to beat from the start but now I'm thinking Sam was the sleeper all along. I never got a sense of Mitch other than he appeared to be a well seasoned survivalist and knowledgeable.
Post by: THE_LONGBOW on August 15, 2015, 01:33:49 AM
My wife brought up the point that bears do not seen to be a problem any more. They could be in hibernation as I think it was Lucas made a comment about it being Thanksgiving.
I think if Sam were to sit in the forest or near the beach he would see some thing to shoot with his bow.
When I lived in Kodiak Alaska I know the snow in higher elevations would push the deer down to the ocean beaches in late fall. So Hunting could get good for Sam.
Does anyone know if they are allowed to harvest big game such as a deer?
Post by: JP on August 15, 2015, 04:17:19 AM
There was a special on tonight "after the rescue" which might put some more insight. I'll watch it tomorrow.I haven't finished the thread yet but there have been more deaths by black bear mauling than they say.
@Syph007 - if I recall correctly, last year there was the first black bear death in 19years in Canada, up in the oil fields, so you'd have to be very unlucky. I'd be more scared of the wolves and cougars for sure.
They don't get as big as they do just by eating blueberries.....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America)
Post by: styx on August 15, 2015, 10:27:10 AM
Post by: Henry on August 15, 2015, 01:57:14 PM
And you can definitely get big on grazing, it's pretty much all they do from March-November. I got to see them a lot of the time at work because I was on the mountains at weird times, before tourists made enough noise to scare them away. Cows get pretty big grazing too...
I don't see Sam as weak, he definitely had spent time in the woods, and loves what he does. Passion is definitely key to keeping up a positive outlook. Also everyone would benefit from the prizemoney, but half a million to a young family with him working in retail would be life changing!
Post by: JP on August 15, 2015, 03:46:33 PM
Post by: Aloha on August 15, 2015, 05:02:19 PM
Stats from Yellowstone http://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/nature/injuries.htm
Post by: Henry on August 16, 2015, 12:12:23 AM
Post by: styx on August 21, 2015, 11:38:33 AM
I'm gonna comment on some things that are spoiler so read at your own risk
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Alan shared some deep thoughts after the medical exam. And I'm glad he won, but the comment so soon really made me wonder how long could this guy go? The calendar stick is brilliant. On a personal note, with that beard I kept forgetting that he is only 40 years old.
Seems that shelter and the emotional imbalance were Sam's undoing.
Seems that shelter and the emotional imbalance were Sam's undoing.
Post by: Aloha on August 21, 2015, 04:13:44 PM
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I was initially bummed they came and got him. I would have like to see what his breaking point was, as he also stated. He certainly seemed as tho he could go on until he was bored. Once he found his groove he was pretty much good to go other than the mental gymnastics that happen when confined and alone. I think we all could see he was the one to beat tho admittedly I was routing for Lucas when it came down to 4.
Sam is one badass 22 year old guy. I think the time in the shelter with out the busy work finally pushed him to the point of being just fed up. I do think he had the skills t make it a while longer but man that shelter.
I really like what Alan said about rites of passages for young people. It really is a shame that more families dont have some rite of passage for their kids. All in all I'm glad Alan won as he IMO and obviously was the more "equipped" to survive.
Sam is one badass 22 year old guy. I think the time in the shelter with out the busy work finally pushed him to the point of being just fed up. I do think he had the skills t make it a while longer but man that shelter.
I really like what Alan said about rites of passages for young people. It really is a shame that more families dont have some rite of passage for their kids. All in all I'm glad Alan won as he IMO and obviously was the more "equipped" to survive.
Post by: styx on August 21, 2015, 06:13:36 PM
Post by: Aloha on August 21, 2015, 08:37:43 PM
I agree with you. You know the exact model of kukri he used?
I checked around the web and it appears consensus is Condor Kukri. When I looked at it a few months ago it was $60 ish now its $90. If it in fact is a Condor Product then kodos to them for making a terrific tool.
Post by: Henry on August 21, 2015, 09:43:55 PM
Alan did a great job, very humble at the end. Also obviously expected some much stiff competition, it was awesome that he'd been considering options for spring!
Did anyone watch the special after? I couldn't find it online, I'm assuming they discuss the 10 items for the gear nerds among us.
Post by: styx on August 21, 2015, 10:11:56 PM
Aloha, knifecenter has those kukris still for $60ish
Post by: Aloha on August 21, 2015, 10:13:51 PM
From the looks I always thought Alan was a large man and with some digging around he's 6'6 and a corrections officer.
Post by: Aloha on August 21, 2015, 10:15:30 PM
Post by: Syph007 on August 21, 2015, 11:22:50 PM
Post by: Henry on August 21, 2015, 11:43:38 PM
Also want a Kukri, he had a large axe, leatherman and saw but you only ever saw that knife!
Post by: styx on August 21, 2015, 11:49:11 PM
Post by: Aloha on August 21, 2015, 11:57:14 PM
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=465344006962423&id=451949781635179
Post by: Aloha on August 22, 2015, 12:00:45 AM
http://radiotvtalk.blog.ajc.com/2015/08/18/historys-alone-500k-winner-could-be-blairsvilles-alan-kay/
Post by: THE_LONGBOW on August 22, 2015, 06:29:49 AM
Post by: Aloha on August 22, 2015, 07:38:53 AM
Alan made about $10,000 dollars a day for being there. The check he got was for $500,000. Not to bad of a pay check.
When it laid out like that yes not a bad payday at all.
Post by: Syph007 on August 22, 2015, 04:12:39 PM
Post by: Aloha on August 22, 2015, 04:28:08 PM
Post by: styx on August 22, 2015, 04:36:14 PM
Post by: Syph007 on August 22, 2015, 05:08:56 PM
Post by: TazzieRob on August 25, 2015, 08:24:50 AM
Post by: styx on August 25, 2015, 09:19:41 AM
Post by: Aloha on August 25, 2015, 04:05:23 PM
Post by: styx on August 29, 2015, 07:07:54 PM
SHELTER
12×12 ground cloth/tarp (grommets approved)
8 mm climbing rope
550 parachord – 20m
1 hatchet
1 saw
1 axe
BEDDING
1 multi-seasonal sleeping bag that fits within provided back-pack
1 bivi bag (gortex sleeping bag cover)
1 sleeping Pad
1 hammock
COOKING
1 large (no more than 2 quart) Pot, includes lid
1 steel frying pan
1 flint or ferro rod set
1 enamel bowl for eating from
1 spoon
1 disposable lighter
1 canteen or water bottle
1 bear canister
HYGIENE
1 bar soap
1 8 oz tube of toothpaste
1 face flannel
1 40 m. roll dental floss
1 small bottle bio shower soap
1 shaving razor (and 1 blade)
1 towel (30” x 60”)
1 comb
HUNTING
1 300 yard roll of nylon single filament fishing line and 25 assorted hooks (No lures)
1 primitive bow with 6 Arrows (must be predominately made of wood)
1 small gauge gill net (1.5 m deep x 6 m long and 2 inch [50 mm] mesh)
1 slingshot/Catapult
1 net foraging bag
3.5 lb roll of trapping wire
FOOD
5 lbs of beef jerky (protein)
5 lbs of dried pulses/legumes/lentils mix (starch and carbs)
5 lbs of biltong (protein)
5 lbs of hard tack military biscuits (carbs/sugars)
5 lbs of chocolate (Simple/complex sugars)
5 lbs of pemmican (traditional trail food made from fat and proteins)
5 lbs of gorp (raisins, m&m’s and peanuts)
5 lbs of flour. (starch/carbs)
2 lbs of rice or sugar and 1 lb of salt
TOOLS
1 pocket knife
1 hunting knife
1 leatherman multi-tool
1 sharpening stone
1 roll of duct tape or 1 roll of electrical tape
1 small shovel
1 small sewing kit
1 carabineer
1 LED flashlight
1 pair of ice spikes
Banned/Prohibited List for “Alone”
The banned/prohibited items list;
Fuel or matches
Bug spray/mosquito repellant
Sunscreen/Chap stick
Sunglasses
Beauty products
Map (detailed topographical)
Compass
Unapproved technology (anything with a battery or an engine, eg. cell phones, computers, watches, etc.)
Professional snares
Firearms of any kind
Ammunition
Explosives or gunpowder
Animal poison
Professional fishing rods
Fishing lures, flies, bait kits
Fishing traps
Food or beverage (except the options from the selection list)
Decoys
Animal calls
Tree stands
Professional bows or crossbows
Scopes of any kind
Tents or shelters
Stoves, pressure cookers or other cooking appliances
Hydration packs
Fire pits
Electric or propane lanterns
Inflatable boats
Filtration, purification devices, iodine tablets
Coolers or food storage boxes (except optional bear canister)
Additional Items “Alone” Contestants Were Given
All the men got to take many pieces of gear that were not counted toward the 10 item limit. These included:
CLOTHING/APPAREL/PERSONAL EFFECT ITEMS
1 pair high leg Hunting boots
2 pairs of Outdoor Pants (can unzip into shorts)
1 t-shirt
2 fleece or wool shirts (a hooded fleece is approved)
3 pairs wool socks
1 hat (brimmed, wool or baseball)
1 bandana or shemagh
1 pair gloves
1 light outdoor jacket
2 pairs underwear
1 rain jacket and rain trousers
1 thermal underwear (long)
1 pair of gaiters
1 pair of Crocs, Teva sandals or Keen sandals
1 toothbrush
1 pair of prescription eye glasses
1 personal photograph
TRACKING/SAFETY ITEMS
1 canister wild animal repellant
1 air horn
1 backpack
1 camera pack
Camera equipment
1 emergency flare
1 satellite phone
1 emergency personal flotation device
1 first aid kit (military type – tourniquet, wadding, ace bandage, alcohol, plastic bag, etc)
1 small mirror
1 20×20 canvas tarp
1 10×10 canvas tarp for camera gear
1 head lamp
1 gps tracking device
1 emergency rations pack to include water and food
WINTER SURVIVAL ITEMS
1 woolen sweater
1 pair of gloves
1 trapper’s hat with ear protection or toboggan
Post by: Aloha on August 30, 2015, 12:38:18 AM
Post by: Henry on August 30, 2015, 03:43:27 AM
I'll write my list when I get on a computer. Only got a rough idea right now
Post by: Henry on August 30, 2015, 10:08:43 AM
1. saw
2. axe
3. multi-seasonal sleeping bag that fits within provided back-pack
4. bivi bag (gortex sleeping bag cover)
5. large (no more than 2 quart) Pot, includes lid
6. flint or ferro rod set
7. 300 yard roll of nylon single filament fishing line and 25 assorted hooks (No lures)
8. small gauge gill net (1.5 m deep x 6 m long and 2 inch [50 mm] mesh)
9. hunting knife
10. leatherman multi-tool
I think processing wood, making fire, sterilising water and cooking food took up a lot of the 10. Going for tools that can't be easily replaced or improvised. Leatherman as a secondary knife and diamond file, and awl (signal? spare ferro rod!). I don't have a huge amount of experience fishing, but that definitely seemed the way to go.
Post by: styx on August 30, 2015, 10:48:07 AM
1. saw
2. hunting knife
3. sleeping bag
4. bivi bag
5. large pot
6. ferro rod
7. 300 yard roll of nylon single filament fishing line and 25 assorted hooks (No lures)
8. small gauge gill net (1.5 m deep x 6 m long and 2 inch [50 mm] mesh)
9. 550 paracord
10. canteen
I'm not the best at fishing and given my unfamiliarity with the area only 1 or 2 plants would be edible so gotta go the shotgunning route and hope for the best. I was thinking slingshot but again tracking and hunting aren't exactly my best suits so it might turn to waste.
A metal canteen and pot would give a lot of options.
The only surprise might be taking only 2 tools but a lot can be done with 'em and that is an area where I feel very comfortable
Post by: Syph007 on October 22, 2015, 03:48:00 PM
Well I impulse ordered an Alan Kukri from amazon canada. I never owned one before so now I'll know if I like them. :D Says its backordered but should ship in a couple weeks. Knifecenter is backordered too... probably after the alone fans bought them all.
I checked the status of my order, its pushed back further now. Estimated ship date is Nov 6! I guess they must really had a ton of orders for these.
Its back in stock at knifecenter, but the amazon price was better and free shipping so I'll be patient.
Post by: Aloha on October 22, 2015, 07:17:42 PM
Well I impulse ordered an Alan Kukri from amazon canada. I never owned one before so now I'll know if I like them. :D Says its backordered but should ship in a couple weeks. Knifecenter is backordered too... probably after the alone fans bought them all.
I checked the status of my order, its pushed back further now. Estimated ship date is Nov 6! I guess they must really had a ton of orders for these.
Its back in stock at knifecenter, but the amazon price was better and free shipping so I'll be patient.
WOW :o
I figured you had it and were testing it prior to posting. I also figured with the sweet customs you have been pumping out you were just too busy.
Post by: styx on October 22, 2015, 07:39:14 PM
Post by: styx on April 15, 2016, 09:01:30 PM
Post by: Syph007 on April 15, 2016, 09:42:00 PM
new season starting
Cool, I did like that show.
Post by: Aloha on April 15, 2016, 10:52:20 PM
Post by: Aloha on April 16, 2016, 07:41:25 AM
I won't spoil it for those of you who haven't seen it so I'll leave it at that. Its going to be exciting.
Post by: styx on April 16, 2016, 09:38:53 AM
Post by: Aloha on April 17, 2016, 06:31:07 AM
Post by: Aloha on April 17, 2016, 06:47:45 AM
http://www.history.com/shows/alone/cast
Post by: styx on April 17, 2016, 01:27:59 PM
Post by: Aloha on April 18, 2016, 04:55:20 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on April 18, 2016, 06:27:15 PM
That's us mobile
Post by: styx on April 18, 2016, 08:07:23 PM
Post by: Aloha on April 18, 2016, 08:09:33 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on April 19, 2016, 11:22:40 AM
got extra info on the man?Just a small time you tuber. You see him and Justin Wolfe do some vids together.
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Post by: styx on April 19, 2016, 01:28:45 PM
I see from their lists several are taking foods. I would also considering the first few day the last thing I'd want to deal with is hunger. Getting that shelter squared away and a fire are going to be essential as we saw.
well they do have the advantage of knowing what to expect to some degree since the first season has been out for a while.
got extra info on the man?Just a small time you tuber. You see him and Justin Wolfe do some vids together.
That's us mobile
outside of Alan last season, i wasn't aware of the other yt guys so no wonder i don't know him
Post by: Aloha on April 24, 2016, 03:56:33 PM
Holy smurf is all I can say, it's not quite what I would have expected.
Post by: Syph007 on April 24, 2016, 06:24:24 PM
Post by: styx on April 24, 2016, 10:07:19 PM
WOW what a 1st day. I won't spoil it for those who haven't yet seen the episode.
Holy smurf is all I can say, it's not quite what I would have expected.
last season started a bit similar
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on April 25, 2016, 12:52:53 PM
I assume they only air the show once it's over and done with?
Can you imagine if a few guys just keep going :D
Post by: styx on April 25, 2016, 01:47:35 PM
Post by: Aloha on April 25, 2016, 05:19:53 PM
I've never hunted but I also wonder even under more ideal weather conditions what hunting would be like?
Alan ( winner from last year ) appeared to fare decently. Keep in mind he is a very large man 6'6 and must have "required" a lot more calories than a smaller man.
I am still surprised how spooked some are regarding predators. I guess those who go out in the wild with firearms feel better if they run across one.
Not comparing naked and afraid necessarily but they last 21 days with next to nothing. I wonder what if any is "scripted" on that show. We know a camera crew follows those survivalist however I cannot imagine any help is given.
The weather is a huge factor for the cast of Alone tho its still very much a metal challenge as well.
Post by: styx on April 25, 2016, 07:36:07 PM
Post by: Alan K. on April 27, 2016, 07:23:05 AM
Post by: styx on April 27, 2016, 09:14:35 AM
Post by: Aloha on April 28, 2016, 07:21:32 AM
Now the emotions come flooding in and once any shred of doubt comes in panic sets in.
Most people in their day to day lives don't live in panic. The voices within telling them what they NEED to do vs what they had envisioned caused more confusion for some.
The dude who wasted all that energy to see if he could find a better site, the lady who failed to secure her tarp so as not to wet her down bag. These simple stupid mistakes cost big time. Just like last year when they guy lost his ferro rod and tapped. How about the guy last year who drank the water and then later that night started having visions.
This group had the "benefit" of watching last years mistakes and successes. You would think they would know to get a shelter up and get fire going. Next on the list is find water and set up some sort of "security".
I've got nothing but respect for these folks but in some cases I too wonder WTF.
Post by: styx on April 28, 2016, 08:30:13 AM
I do wonder if there is a way of preparing oneself for the mental aspect of that reality check.
Post by: Aloha on April 28, 2016, 06:18:59 PM
it goes like shower arguments vs actual arguments with people. we all know what to say, have the perfect responses and could be defined by most of the positive superlatives when going over things in our head. but when we actually need to have a discussion, it's not necessarily that it all comes out. and even if it does, it often looks and sounds incomprehensible as opposed to the original idea.
I do wonder if there is a way of preparing oneself for the mental aspect of that reality check.
Yes I do believe there are ways to emotionally and mentally prepare. Life and ones experience would play a part as well. Depending on how each has dealt with those life's situations are important. I think early on when the reality has struck it not so much about skill per se. What hits them in the face are emotions and their natural inclinations toward them, in a way emotions have memory.
Stressful situations may have some curl up while others coil up. Think fetal position vs snake ready to strike. Its kinda like the fight or flight mentality when faced with threats. The difference is the threat is part imagined and part reality. The imagined is where we see those began to get really worked up. The deep recesses of our mind is a scary place.
Mentally many have relied on others to fill in where needed, the soldiers are well skilled and trained yet they have other skilled and trained colleagues watching their backsides.
The survivalist while also skilled and trained rarely place themselves in situations where they are testing their skills to this level of even close.
Taking nothing away from anyone of these people at all mind you. The guy who tapped out said it himself. A survivalist would truly only know how good his/her skill was after they have survived a circumstance.
Emotions are a rollercoaster so for these folks such high highs followed by low lows in short spans of time has got to be brutal.
The fascination for me is not so much how they survive its more the emotional and mental hurdles they overcome.
We saw this played out with Alan. His conversations to me were interesting to hear and watch unfold. He seemed to get stronger IMO mentally as the day wore on. The young man also went thru similar mental and emotional battles. He seemed to ebb and flow emotionally more than Alan. I enjoyed watching the dude who built the yurt go thru his rollercoaster and working it out at times. He as we saw ultimately came to the conclusion he had accomplished all he came to do.
Post by: styx on April 28, 2016, 08:44:39 PM
now to put oneself in a situation where you're hardly as comfortable as you could be in your own bed and have a mental state like that would be something where, gotta admit this, i'd make a lot of poor choices.
see that is what started to bug me in a lot of outdoor communities is that they preached one thing but didn't exactly do it. again, you've said it.
what i'm trying to say with this incoherent twaddle is that unless you put yourself in an extreme situation, it's hard to be really prepared for it mentally. and if you're mind isn't in it then the gear and knowledge won't do you much good.
Post by: styx on April 30, 2016, 04:40:32 PM
Post by: Aloha on April 30, 2016, 04:54:45 PM
is it just me or was that injury due to a dumb mistake?
I saw that coming a mile away :facepalm:. Terribly unfortunate but we've said that its little things in this type situation that add up to failure.
The dude with the ferro rod, while I feel bad for him, in a situation like that one would think he'd be hyper cautious about such important gear.
I know its wet out there but I asked myself over and over again, why hasn't he trained for this exact situation? I mean to say, why hasn't he set himself up for the possibility of not having ga ferro rod in wet conditions to procure fire in another way? He seemed so dependent on that ferro rod rather than having any other "tools". While I personally have no skills in friction fire and my comments maybe totally wrong here. He's been out there now for several days, why hasn't he dried wood?
I am beginning to question these so called survival trainers. I'm beginning to feel they are only suited to survive as long as gear allows :think:. Is this actually survival?
Brings me to the cast of naked and afraid................ Just thinking aloud.
I am not making any judgements just making observations in general as to all these so called survivalist.
Post by: styx on April 30, 2016, 10:40:17 PM
But the problems that happened were either missing the details or lack of experience. With the axe, I'd call it lack of experience. Hit myself once in the knee and somehow the message of keeping any body part I'd like to keep out of the way of a heavy sharp thing got through.
As for friction fire - you're not alone. I know the theory, but the practical part is non existent. Still if you know it will be wet then as you've said - practice. Soak wood and try to get it going with a ferro rod. Go out in the rain and practice any method of friction fire that suits you.
And one thing that is disturbing is how some blatantly obvious things aren't as logical as I'd have thought. I always wondered how some instructors managed to make a living when often their intermediate classes don't go beyond anything that is pure and simple logic. Skills and some more specialized knowledge is excluded here. If you make a fire, dry anything that is wet including firewood. Might also be helpful if you make sure there is some easy to ignite stuff in case the fire goes out. If you have a high carbon tool it might be a good idea to find something that will throw sparks off it, just in case. In choosing between keeping a 100 year old axe head in pristine condition and my behind being cozy, guess what takes precedence. Not very keen on "at least the axe/knife was in a magnificent state" being a part of my eulogy.
As far as calling anyone an expert, that is a term as washed out in the outdoors community as is "future hall of famer" in any professional sport. I've seen guys described as experts while they would only go out in fair weather with about 120lbs of gear on their back. You know, the lightweight, knowledge over everything guys that like to get preachy
Post by: Aloha on May 01, 2016, 06:12:12 AM
I cannot imagine how difficult it is to get friction fire going in those conditions so I am in no way arm chair quarterbacking nor criticizing.
I have respect for him and the others who are on the show.
I guess looking at these people who are instructors or "experts" I'd expect more. I know the term and title survivalist has been watered way down.
Maybe to bottom line is they are only as proficient as the gear they have. It's not a bad thing at all and probably more than I could do. Its just some would have you believe they could survive for months in the wild.
I believe I heard a cast member say he planned on being out there a year and another for several months :think:.
This is why I hold Matt Graham is high regard. This dude has long term survival on his mind and lives it.
Post by: styx on May 01, 2016, 12:31:46 PM
Reality is that I could say I can stay there for the next 10 years, but that would have to include 9 years and 360 days of a cougar chewing on my bones ;)
Maybe the practice what you preach approach would be a good reminder for everyone. And then practice just about everything else what others preach. We've seen it on other shows where one style has an edge but gets complemented by knowledge of other styles (if there are specific styles of survival).
As the next fire mentality goes, I've remembered that at a certain time Dave Canterbury was really going off on it in every video he made.
Another thought if the person with axe problems (not to spoil things) really isn't used to axes, then wouldn't another tool have been a wiser choice? If it's allowed ofc. One can't really expect to take down huge trees, so something like a parang might have worked well.
Post by: Syph007 on May 01, 2016, 02:01:25 PM
Rule 1 of using sharp things is keep your body parts out of the way of the sharp things.
At least she didnt chop off a finger. Tendons can be repaired, but that would mean shes out if she did that much damage.
Post by: Alan K. on May 02, 2016, 01:42:13 AM
Another thought if the person with axe problems (not to spoil things) really isn't used to axes, then wouldn't another tool have been a wiser choice? If it's allowed ofc. One can't really expect to take down huge trees, so something like a parang might have worked well.
I was thinking the same thing. How useful is an axe if they weren't planning on cutting down huge trees. Especially concerning David Mcintyre (who we know as Colhane on YouTube). He's a machete Guru from his 15 years of teaching in Brazil. He's probably the machete Guru. Even Dave Canterbury sharpens his machetes following Mcintyre's (Colhane's) example. So... why did he bring an axe? Why did any of them.
Most people who live around hard wood forests are probably more familiar with axes than machetes and are comfortable in their ability to use them, and they have to have something to process firewood and construct a shelter so I guess they would bring what they are comfortable with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVHeKNbRXgc
Post by: styx on May 02, 2016, 08:48:11 AM
For instance a large knife would work too. Sure it would take longer and one would exert himself or herself more but it would work as shown in the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow43SFOUUuY
Another option could be a tomahawk. While again not ideal in the conventional sense, I remember there being a guy who made a very nice camp with just a cold steel norse hawk and either a bucksaw or a bowsaw.
http://www.americangrouch.com/2011/12/norse-hawk-camp.html
That would round out the tool part of the equation. If allowed by the rules - why simply not go for the best tool you know how to use?
The other part is technique. While axe technique can be discussed at length, a lot of it has to do with better energy transfer. The safety part is rather short since tips apply all around. however people rarely mention the use of a sissy stick or batoning with an axe since it's so much cooler, and might be easier, to swing it. The injury we saw was rather light in comparison to seeing a guy almost split his foot in 2 (won't link to that). And this was a guy who at least on paper was quite proficient in axe use. The lucky part was that it happened at a meet so he was rushed to a hospital
Post by: ducttapetech on May 02, 2016, 02:12:18 PM
I was cringing so hard when I saw that girl using the axe to split kindling AND HOLDING HER HAND UNDER THE AXE HEAD... and then it slips... :facepalm:I just watch the episode last night and thought the same thing. I wonder why she did not familiarize herself with an axe knowing she was going to take one out there.
Rule 1 of using sharp things is keep your body parts out of the way of the sharp things.
At least she didnt chop off a finger. Tendons can be repaired, but that would mean shes out if she did that much damage.
Kinda feel sorry for the one guys ferro rod that burned up. Simple mistake that could have been avoided, but being tried and hungry didn't help him any. I thought it was pretty ingenious of him to look at his past recordings to help find it or figure out what happened to it. Hopefully he has been drying some wood out so he can try a friction fire. Though, I bet using that method is nigh impossible in that area. Hell I can't do that method most of the time in good dry conditions. There is a reason why man dropped that method hundreds of not thousands of years ago for banging two rocks to together and later Flint and steel. Speaking of, I am kinda surprised that nobody has made any charred punk wood yet. Mitch from season 1 did that early on and it helped him from using up his ferro rod so much and made making fire easier. But that is assuming this group watched season 1. But alas, we all know what assuming does. It make an ass out of U and me.
Now of coarse it is easy to set in my chair while watching this, and say this or that, I am not there and I am sure I would make some mistakes too and for sure it has be one hell of a mind job, but the using an axe like that...
Anyways, best of luck to them.
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Post by: Aloha on May 02, 2016, 03:59:04 PM
It takes courage to get out there so yes big props to all those who were determined to do so.
Its hard to not come off as critical and I'm trying not to. I am in no position nor am I second guessing what they did out there. As to the people who get paid to do this or who claim to have years of experience I'm just surprised.
Stepping away from this show for a sec, I don't recall Matt Graham even stumble with what to do. I know the situation and show was totally different but man what a deep "tool box" that dude has.
His environment is totally different but he's out for months at a time.
Post by: styx on May 02, 2016, 08:12:37 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on May 02, 2016, 08:16:11 PM
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Post by: Aloha on May 02, 2016, 09:35:32 PM
I would seriously have to move to a wetter city for a year too. I live in a desert with next to no rain. My body would go into shock wondering what all that water was :rofl:
Post by: ducttapetech on May 02, 2016, 11:34:20 PM
I would like to give it a go myself. Not sure how well I would do. My goal would be to last 7 days at the least. If I was going for the long haul, I would gain a 100 pounds. That way I would have "extra fuel" and hope they would starve out. LOL!
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Post by: JP on May 03, 2016, 02:56:23 AM
Other than the axe mishap, why didn't that guy use the dead duck for bait?
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Post by: Aloha on May 03, 2016, 07:02:25 AM
Sign me up! I may have missed it...but why aren't they knocking some trees down to make a small cabin?
Other than the axe mishap, why didn't that guy use the dead duck for bait?
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Hey good call on the duck :tu: I wondered about the feasibility of a "cabin". One could possibly stack logs on each other wedged between trees in a triangle shape and then place others over the top. Place the tarp over that and they'd be good to go more or less.
EDIT
I found this video
https://youtu.be/qhHuVMDHnU0
Post by: TazzieRob on May 06, 2016, 04:27:48 AM
Post by: styx on May 06, 2016, 09:02:00 AM
Post by: zoidberg on May 06, 2016, 02:32:50 PM
I really want to watch this but I can't find a way to here in Australia.
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Post by: dmanuel on May 07, 2016, 09:05:25 AM
I really want to watch this but I can't find a way to here in Australia. I guess they've clamped down on the YT copies. I can't read any of the previous posts for fear of spoilers so I'm a bit bummed. Bloody History Channel blocking internationals from being able to access their content :twak:
Primewire.ag is a wonderful source for those of us overseas.
Post by: Syph007 on May 07, 2016, 06:36:01 PM
Post by: styx on May 08, 2016, 01:15:27 PM
Although Mary Kate was born in South Side, Chicago, she and her family moved to northwest Montana when she was two years old. She spent the next 12 years living off the grid with her parents and three sisters on Government Mountain in Montana. As a kid, she spent countless hours gathering firewood, picking wild huckleberries, cleaning chicken coops, riding horses, building forts, and simply getting lost in the mountains. Years later, she used these skills to become a firefighter for the Tahoe National Forest. It was there that she learned that no matter how physically demanding a challenge might be, her mental toughness can always help her complete a job. Mary Kate currently resides in Homer, Alaska, where she is fitness trainer at the Alaska Training Room and a mother to two beautiful girls: Boden Kate and Greta Tuff. She is eager to challenge herself to survive whatever Vancouver Island has in store, and sees this as the opportunity of a lifetime.
Post by: TazzieRob on May 08, 2016, 03:40:08 PM
Interesting how little to nothing we have seen of some participants. Whether that just means they aren't doing the best job filming, are surviving just fine and are too boring to watch doing what they are supposed to be doing, and they are focusing on those in most peril and earliest to tap, maybe.
I guess people make the biggest mistakes when they haven't been taught correctly, and or are tired. That environment would be so sapping. One guy said it perfectly, to paraphrase "you can't survive on beauty alone"
Post by: Aloha on May 08, 2016, 04:06:40 PM
Post by: zoidberg on May 08, 2016, 04:09:49 PM
Mods could we change the Subject line to include ( Spoilers )
Done. :cheers:
Post by: Aloha on May 08, 2016, 09:28:40 PM
Mods could we change the Subject line to include ( Spoilers )
Done. :cheers:
Thank you :salute:
Ok so now that ( Spoilers ) was added.
I am really digging how Tracy handled the bears. I think I would have been a little quicker on the horn but she's cool and collected. I also dig her personality actually. She seems like a tough lady. Time will tell how her skills add up.
Jose seems to most at home in the woods and from his BIO seems the most skilled. I love how he made the pipe thing to revive a coal. I can't wait to see what else he's going to do.
Randy went deep into his tool box to bust out that friction fire. I knew he could do it once he set his mind to it. It was great to see him walk away when he was frustrated. Bummer he fouled up with the ferro rod but what a comeback.
Poor Mary Kate. I feel so sorry for her having got leave. I was yelling at her to raise her hand above her heart and put pressure on that would. I really wanted her to succeed as she seemed to have such a great start.
Post by: JP on May 09, 2016, 01:25:48 AM
I was impressed with Jose's blower. It makes complete sense once he tells you what it is but I have never seen one used like that. Fantastic.
I still can't understand why they aren't chopping down trees. The first thing that anyone in my area does when they get a property is take down trees...lumber, firewood, create an opening etc.
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Post by: styx on May 09, 2016, 08:06:28 AM
As far as going after larger trees, I'd guess it's a calorie game
Post by: Aloha on May 09, 2016, 04:36:50 PM
I wonder if being distracted also played a role in Mary Kates injury? She was filming while performing those chores. I can also see bad habits and familiarity being a reason too. Being too comfortable with axe handling could have made that chore simple in her mind. Don't know other than I'm a overly cautious person so I wouldn't have placed my hand under the edge.
I really wanted to see her on the show. She seemed to have a good start and the strong initial mindset.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on May 09, 2016, 04:40:37 PM
I really wanted to see her on the show. She seemed to have a good start and the strong initial mindset.
+1
She seemed to be doing better than most, so it's a pity.
This show has me, I would badly like to be out there......
Post by: Aloha on May 09, 2016, 04:52:37 PM
I really wanted to see her on the show. She seemed to have a good start and the strong initial mindset.
+1
She seemed to be doing better than most, so it's a pity.
This show has me, I would badly like to be out there......
I'd love to see you out there :tu:. 1/2 Million $ prize money could change things for many of us. GO ahead and apply for the show. Make a great video of yourself and see what happens.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on May 09, 2016, 04:59:20 PM
I'd love to see you out there :tu:. 1/2 Million $ prize money could change things for many of us. GO ahead and apply for the show. Make a great video of yourself and see what happens.
For me it would be 500 000 x 15........7.5 million of my monopoly money would drastically change me life........
Doubt they would take somebody from another continent, and I have to admit I have serious concerns about my complete lack of knowledge on cold and extremely wet conditions like those.......
Alone.......a preference, not a problem :rofl:
I was hoping they would move to another location for future seasons......
Post by: Aloha on May 09, 2016, 05:10:30 PM
While I enjoy the rain and camping in the winter I cannot say I'm familiar with cold or rainy. I am no where near skilled either :rofl:. I have spent vast amount of time Alone so I think I'd be ok for a bit of time. I think I still have enough imaginary friends to keep me company :whistle:.
It would be amazing to see competitors from everywhere able to compete.
Post by: styx on May 09, 2016, 08:29:25 PM
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Post by: TazzieRob on May 11, 2016, 06:02:24 AM
Awesome that Randy persisted and got the friction fire going, what a relief for him. He even mentioned Joe from season 1 losing his ferro rod, seems like a lanyard or square handle so it can't roll is needed, or some habit forming to always put it in a pocket to ensure it doesn't get lost. unless he can find another way to light his fires, keeping it going 24hrs straight is going to be tiring, or he'll be a bow drill master by the end of his time there.
Jose is going to be a good one to watch, I'm curious about all the projects he has in mind. Hopefully some more musical instruments that have multiple uses like his blower, what a great bit of kit to keep your face out of the flames and smoke and not make yourself dizzy blowing hard to reignite the ember!
Tracy definitely has some emotional baggage. Possibly because of the era when it happened but that is something that really should have been dealt with by therapy. I certainly wouldn't blame her for her actions and she's got guts for going into the situation in the first place. The way she dealt with the bears was great.
As for JPs comment about chopping down trees, I don't know. Sounds like a lot of energy sapping work and probably not something to charge into without getting a good lay of the land and finding the best spot. I'd definitely rather a more solid shelter with cougars around. I wonder what restrictions if any are imposed by the show, too. They probably don't want big clearings made in the forest so they can continue to use the same locations for a while for subsequent shows.
Post by: styx on May 14, 2016, 10:33:18 AM
David might be focused on the wrong thing thinking about the prize money.
the tap and stove top were pretty smart but i wonder how that entire shelter will hold up with more storms
Post by: shark_za on May 14, 2016, 04:52:35 PM
Already talking with knife maker buddies to design my ultimate outdoor knife.
My current idea of survival is the short term 72 hour type, fun dreaming about this longer term stuff.
Post by: Aloha on May 14, 2016, 05:15:01 PM
again a lack of Jose
David might be focused on the wrong thing thinking about the prize money.
the tap and stove top were pretty smart but i wonder how that entire shelter will hold up with more storms
I also was hoping to see Jose.
I love the guy making those projects but yes his shelter didn't really look well thought out given the amount of rain and wind they'll see. I'm sure he has a plan as well though out as he is. The wood drying rack is great. I dig how they are using material found yet at the same time its sad how much trash is washed up on those beaches.
I was very surprised Tracy tapped out. I understand why, given her past experiences and how it still effects her. I didn't think she was all that aggressive with the bears :think:. I liked her a lot and enjoyed seeing her.
Justin and his shorts :D. So far his attitude is great. I was glad he got fish as did the other guy ( 4 ). Nice to see some early successes.
David seems to be focusing on the winning which could be enough :think:. He needs some fish which I think will help a ton with his focus on being out there. Money is a great motivator but it wont help making his day to day easier.
Nicole having not set up her gil net was a surprise. I guess her knowledge of plants has been good enough up till now. I like her easy going way a lot. She's really seems to be enjoying herself at this point.
Post by: styx on May 14, 2016, 06:04:59 PM
Post by: JP on May 14, 2016, 07:35:35 PM
I hope that mother bear and cubs don't become a problem for Nicole. I would hate to see them tear into her net.
Anyone else get nervous seeing the one guy split his kindling?
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Post by: styx on May 14, 2016, 07:58:28 PM
Post by: Aloha on May 15, 2016, 04:41:31 PM
Another good episode. I am glad folks are having some success with the fishing.
I hope that mother bear and cubs don't become a problem for Nicole. I would hate to see them tear into her net.
Anyone else get nervous seeing the one guy split his kindling?
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I was really getting nervous as well. I wondered was I just an over cautious person or was he a bit casual :think:
Fishing in momma bears fishing spot is both smart and risky. She knows/hopes fish will be there but so does momma bear who will win that argument every time.
Post by: Toolslinger on May 15, 2016, 11:00:01 PM
Another good episode. I am glad folks are having some success with the fishing.
I hope that mother bear and cubs don't become a problem for Nicole. I would hate to see them tear into her net.
Anyone else get nervous seeing the one guy split his kindling?
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I was really getting nervous as well. I wondered was I just an over cautious person or was he a bit casual :think:
Fishing in momma bears fishing spot is both smart and risky. She knows/hopes fish will be there but so does momma bear who will win that argument every time.
There's been more than few instances of 'casual' tool use that has had me cringing.
Post by: styx on May 16, 2016, 08:28:31 AM
For instance I've cut myself when closing a SAK with one hand due to being too relaxed (wasn't looking at what I was doing since I've doing it thousands of times before). Small nick so nothing big but I could have done more damage. On the other hand a dumb instance was when my grandfather almost took off his toe by trying grinding something in flipflops (someone insert a Jeff Foxworthy - "you might be a redneck if" joke here)
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on May 16, 2016, 08:54:44 AM
I guess it only takes one slip.
I'm amazed by what some of the contestants have built up :salute:
:tu:
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Post by: shark_za on May 16, 2016, 10:05:39 AM
Post by: shark_za on May 16, 2016, 11:23:26 AM
No fishing kit, no gill net.
The hammock can be used as a net; maybe.
Post by: Toolslinger on May 16, 2016, 11:50:10 AM
Am I the only one who cuts kindling horizontally?
Nope. That's my preferred method. If the wood isn't big enough (or shaped right) to stand on it's own, then it gets laid down and split horizontally. No way am I putting any part of my body near the path of my axe just to support some wood.
Post by: styx on May 16, 2016, 02:03:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8bORB79Clo
Post by: Toolslinger on May 16, 2016, 04:35:49 PM
i like this method a lot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8bORB79Clo
Great method. I use that one a lot when splitting the big stuff. :tu:
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on May 16, 2016, 04:41:17 PM
Justin has no knife other than his Leatherman, that is the most interesting for me.
No fishing kit, no gill net.
The hammock can be used as a net; maybe.
I didn't get into their selections, but I do hope you're joking :rofl:
Post by: Aloha on May 16, 2016, 04:49:34 PM
I'm sure that most of us would be guilty of that as well at some point simply due to familiarity with the tool itself. I think it goes a bit to relaxed vs being dumb vs inexperienced with something.
Great point :salute:. They are also dealing with the effects of hunger and so on which I'm sure plays a part in it as well.
I was whittling a spindle yesterday in preparation for a friction fire ( another discussion ) and my roommate commented my knife technique scared her. I was peeling ends of the wood like I was paring a potato. I felt controlled and was paying close attention so I felt safe. I guess its about perspective as well, also like GG says
I guess it only takes one slip.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on May 16, 2016, 04:54:16 PM
Am I the only one who cuts kindling horizontally?
We mostly buy bags of wood with various sizes split and unsplit, 20cm-30cm long. I'm working on a paved surface around the built-in fireplace, so not somewhere you would want to miss a strike.
I can imagine they would get their wood wet........?
I'm an irregular and far from expert user of an axe, but my method is simply my left hand is well out of the way before the axe connects the wood, so if it falls over and I miss, I try again.
I'll also freely admit that growing up I never knew or experienced such a thing as a sharp axe......if I ever caught myself it would be blunt force trauma rather than a cut :whistle:
Post by: styx on May 16, 2016, 08:06:55 PM
Justin has no knife other than his Leatherman, that is the most interesting for me.
No fishing kit, no gill net.
The hammock can be used as a net; maybe.
I didn't get into their selections, but I do hope you're joking :rofl:
his selections
1. Multi-tool with 17 different tools
2. Ferro rod
3. 5 quart pan
4. 10 meters of 8mm climbing rope
5. 1-piece handsaw
6. Ax
7. Down sleeping bag with sleeves
8. Nylon netted hammock
9. Emergency rations
10. Emergency rations
Post by: Alan K. on May 16, 2016, 09:01:11 PM
Post by: styx on May 17, 2016, 08:42:06 AM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on May 17, 2016, 11:43:43 AM
Justin has no knife other than his Leatherman, that is the most interesting for me.
No fishing kit, no gill net.
The hammock can be used as a net; maybe.
I didn't get into their selections, but I do hope you're joking :rofl:
his selections
1. Multi-tool with 17 different tools
2. Ferro rod
3. 5 quart pan
4. 10 meters of 8mm climbing rope
5. 1-piece handsaw
6. Ax
7. Down sleeping bag with sleeves
8. Nylon netted hammock
9. Emergency rations
10. Emergency rations
So he has an axe and a saw, why on earth would he take an MT rather than a proper knife :facepalm:
I guess is the wrong place to say it, but I don't know of one multi tool I would trust that far........
Post by: styx on May 17, 2016, 01:17:27 PM
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Post by: styx on May 17, 2016, 03:47:31 PM
Post by: Aloha on May 17, 2016, 03:56:22 PM
Post by: zoidberg on May 17, 2016, 05:42:55 PM
Justin has no knife other than his Leatherman, that is the most interesting for me.
No fishing kit, no gill net.
The hammock can be used as a net; maybe.
Congrats on making the NLC. :cheers:
Someone go fetch the :punishmentchicken: and lard.
Post by: styx on May 17, 2016, 10:25:01 PM
Justin has no knife other than his Leatherman, that is the most interesting for me.
No fishing kit, no gill net.
The hammock can be used as a net; maybe.
Congrats on making the NLC. :cheers:
Someone go fetch the :punishmentchicken: and lard.
the :punishmentchicken: is ready. will butter do, we're short on lard
Post by: shark_za on May 18, 2016, 06:50:30 PM
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Congrats on making the NLC. :cheers:
Someone go fetch the :punishmentchicken: and lard.
:cheers: :drink:
:facepalm:
Post by: shark_za on May 19, 2016, 07:11:13 PM
Not many cans, bottles or screws to work with. (Half the tools redundant)
So would the small saw and pliers actually help a lot? Counter the loss of a full bushcraft knife; the small knife on the MT will probably do ok in fine tasks thought.
Post by: styx on May 19, 2016, 09:49:08 PM
Post by: zoidberg on May 19, 2016, 11:51:56 PM
So what use would a Leatherman Surge be in the bush?
Not many cans, bottles or screws to work with. (Half the tools redundant)
So would the small saw and pliers actually help a lot? Counter the loss of a full bushcraft knife; the small knife on the MT will probably do ok in fine tasks thought.
Pot grip, food tongs, ferro striker, equipment repair, fishing net anchor...
Post by: styx on May 20, 2016, 09:39:17 AM
Post by: JP on May 21, 2016, 10:26:14 PM
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Post by: styx on May 22, 2016, 11:32:14 AM
It was nice to see 'em working on shelters
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Post by: TazzieRob on May 22, 2016, 03:59:59 PM
Some more substantial shelters have been made, though not much has been shown other than Randy and Nicole. Justin's use of bull kelp is brilliant!
Only copy of episode 5 I could find was mirror image, maybe so History don't get it taken down, I don't know. Still, it was watchable
Post by: Syph007 on May 22, 2016, 06:07:34 PM
Post by: TazzieRob on May 23, 2016, 02:19:17 AM
I thought it was great the smallest person caught the biggest fish. :D
Ha, yeah, that's pretty cool.
It's got me thinking if anyone has thoughts on longer term food options. I don't know what the seasonal gathering will be like, but if winter comes and it is too rough to fish then having some dried/smoked fish or something else to sustain has to be done. Interesting, Sam from season 1 said in a commentary vid that he still had a pound of pemmican when he left. I wonder how fast they are burning through their rations or if they are indeed saving them up for winter. Given the cold and damp drying is probably quite difficult.
Randy quite happy to eat every. single. bit of that mouse other than the guts, but he doesn't want to eat a slug? :think:
Post by: Aloha on May 23, 2016, 05:41:45 AM
Randy seems to be doing pretty well fire wise. Watching him eat the mouse yet ponder the slug was interesting.
Justin is a hoot. I had a good time watching him and his antics. Love the indoor plumbing :rofl:.
Not sure why we aren't seeing Jose more :think:.
Post by: styx on May 23, 2016, 08:29:22 AM
Post by: Aloha on May 23, 2016, 04:11:07 PM
IIRC the producers and medical team visited the contestants periodically to make sure they were healthy. I bet they also retrieved the memory cards to review what had been filmed. At that point I'm sure they'd tell them to start filming more or encourage them to film other things.
Just a guess.
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Post by: TazzieRob on May 24, 2016, 02:09:02 AM
Larry has been doing commentary vids on each episode, and he mentioned something about Mary Kate. Despite her injury, she kept filming. She filmed everything up to the rescue, I don't think the camera stopped. That is commitment. Such a shame she isn't there anymore.
Justin must be getting enough food if he has built a Gym. Those that are going fine with food and everything will likely be personal reasons for tapping, once they reach the point that they have fulfilled all they wanted or for injury. I don't doubt that Lucas (and others) could have gone further in season 1 but the money wasn't the reason he needed to stay.
In season 1, even though Alan wasn't doing much at times to conserve energy, he got snippets here and there because of his monologues which were great to watch. I can only imagine how many hours of footage gets dumped in the editing process.
Post by: styx on May 24, 2016, 08:17:44 AM
Alan 56 days - 1344 hours
Sam 55 days - 1320 hours
Mitch 43 days - 1032 hours
Lucas 39 days - 936 hours
Dustin 8 days - 192 hours
Brant 6 days - 144 hours
Wayne 4 days - 96 hours
Joe 4 days - 96 hours
Chris 2 days - 48 hours
Josh 1 day - 24 hours
that brings us to a total of 5232 hours. an episode is 45 minutes long and there are 10 episodes a show which make the total run time 7.5 hours. so 5 224 hours and 30 minutes of footage goes unseen by the public with this calculation
Post by: Aloha on May 24, 2016, 03:30:36 PM
Speaking of Sam :think: I wonder how that guy is doing? I liked that young man and his wife should have had their baby by now.
Post by: TazzieRob on May 24, 2016, 11:57:59 PM
ok so here is the calculation on the assumption that they filmed 24 hours a day.
Alan 56 days - 1344 hours
Sam 55 days - 1320 hours
Mitch 43 days - 1032 hours
Lucas 39 days - 936 hours
Dustin 8 days - 192 hours
Brant 6 days - 144 hours
Wayne 4 days - 96 hours
Joe 4 days - 96 hours
Chris 2 days - 48 hours
Josh 1 day - 24 hours
that brings us to a total of 5232 hours. an episode is 45 minutes long and there are 10 episodes a show which make the total run time 7.5 hours. so 5 224 hours and 30 minutes of footage goes unseen by the public with this calculation
Ah, but there is more than one camera for each person, and they have fixed cameras around their camp, so it could well be much more than that. Not that it really matters to us. One of the reasons I don't own a video camera is I'm too lazy to sit down and edit the footage!
Post by: TazzieRob on May 25, 2016, 12:05:32 AM
Easy enough to understand lots of filming not making the cut.
Speaking of Sam :think: I wonder how that guy is doing? I liked that young man and his wife should have had their baby by now.
He's on YT. I'd say he looks more well fed now than when he left the show. I've only watched one or two of his Alone commentary vids but that's all
Post by: JP on May 25, 2016, 01:13:40 AM
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Post by: styx on May 25, 2016, 12:17:12 PM
ok so here is the calculation on the assumption that they filmed 24 hours a day.
Alan 56 days - 1344 hours
Sam 55 days - 1320 hours
Mitch 43 days - 1032 hours
Lucas 39 days - 936 hours
Dustin 8 days - 192 hours
Brant 6 days - 144 hours
Wayne 4 days - 96 hours
Joe 4 days - 96 hours
Chris 2 days - 48 hours
Josh 1 day - 24 hours
that brings us to a total of 5232 hours. an episode is 45 minutes long and there are 10 episodes a show which make the total run time 7.5 hours. so 5 224 hours and 30 minutes of footage goes unseen by the public with this calculation
Ah, but there is more than one camera for each person, and they have fixed cameras around their camp, so it could well be much more than that. Not that it really matters to us. One of the reasons I don't own a video camera is I'm too lazy to sit down and edit the footage!
true but also taking into account that they don't film themselves sleeping, and doing some other things, it evens things out
Do you think all of the footage gets reviewed or do the contestants log events to help out ie Day 3 6am, caught a fish.
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if they don't have a watch, it would be hard to tell the time
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on May 26, 2016, 11:02:42 AM
Since I live in the land of biltong, it never bothered me when I heard it mentioned..........are they trying to be exotic by calling it biltong instead of jerky? :rofl:
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Post by: TazzieRob on May 26, 2016, 01:27:05 PM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on May 26, 2016, 03:14:49 PM
I haven't heard of biltong. Dried and seasoned meat is Jerky here.
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Exactly, and you're from the host country of the show.
Biltong=jerky more or less :rofl:
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on May 26, 2016, 03:23:24 PM
I love Biltong, I prefer it to jerky. Usually the jerky I've had is thinner and drier than Biltong. If I were to go on Alone, I'd want mine very dry so I could take more protein per weight, even though I like a softer Biltong.
How can you not? :tu:
Making biltong has been refined to an art here, be it the perfect wet beef biltong with 50/50 fat, or game biltong that crumbles when you break it.......whole, sliced or powdered.
In recent years the variety has just exploded, chilly bites being a huge hit, and the newest one for me is "geslaande biltong", which as far as I can figure out are whole pieces of biltong that are mechanically crushed but still intact.
Clarkson, Hammond, May and the crew of The Grand Tour seem to have developed a taste for chilly bites while filming here :rofl:
Post by: JP on May 26, 2016, 04:10:22 PM
Maybe the recipe for jerky and biltong are different? vs Pemican? This sounds like s query for Google!
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Post by: shark_za on May 30, 2016, 07:44:07 AM
Biltong is just jerky done right.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on May 30, 2016, 09:26:26 AM
Craziest thing in the title sequence is the wolf chasing something/someone.
Biltong is just jerky done right.
I think that's what we're all waiting for :rofl:
Post by: styx on May 30, 2016, 11:22:17 AM
Post by: Aloha on May 30, 2016, 03:03:04 PM
Craziest thing in the title sequence is the wolf chasing something/someone.
Biltong is just jerky done right.
I think that's what we're all waiting for :rofl:
They certainly got my attention with that.
We've got a lot of Coyotes in my area. Not long ago one as crossing the street within 15 feet of me. I was taking my dog out and saw it out of my peripheral vision. I sure wouldn't want one or a wolf heading in my direction.
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Post by: Toolslinger on June 17, 2016, 04:07:42 PM
Was a little surprised at the 2 taps in episode 7. Both contestants were doing great, until their minds got the better of them.
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Post by: Toolslinger on June 19, 2016, 10:01:16 PM
Post by: Toolslinger on June 19, 2016, 10:06:03 PM
They all seem to be doing OK.
Show content
David seems to be worst off as he can't seem to get any food, yet he is mentally determined.
Nicole has plenty of food and seems quite comfortable with her location. If she can keep the bears away from her camp, she's set.
Justin seems to be in a better place mentally and physically now that he has relocated his camp after the mountain trip.
Jose just seems to keep improving his setup. The man can build (helps that he took a LM Surge).
Larry is hard to gauge. He has some anger issues and seems to fight nature instead of living with her. I had expected him to have taken himself out earlier than this.
Tough call as to who is going to last longest, but I'd say it's likely Jose followed by Nicole.
Nicole has plenty of food and seems quite comfortable with her location. If she can keep the bears away from her camp, she's set.
Justin seems to be in a better place mentally and physically now that he has relocated his camp after the mountain trip.
Jose just seems to keep improving his setup. The man can build (helps that he took a LM Surge).
Larry is hard to gauge. He has some anger issues and seems to fight nature instead of living with her. I had expected him to have taken himself out earlier than this.
Tough call as to who is going to last longest, but I'd say it's likely Jose followed by Nicole.
Post by: styx on June 20, 2016, 08:31:37 AM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 20, 2016, 10:25:33 AM
Had a bit of a moment watching the last episode.......David was talking about people watching while eating chicken thighs........and no guesses what I was eating :rofl:
Post by: Toolslinger on June 20, 2016, 01:52:55 PM
:D
Had a bit of a moment watching the last episode.......David was talking about people watching while eating chicken thighs........and no guesses what I was eating :rofl:
:rofl:
While he was complaining about not getting any fish, I was eating... fish. :rofl:
Post by: Aloha on June 20, 2016, 04:07:02 PM
Jose building skills are tremendous. I'm not sure how well he's doing for food :think:. I thought I heard him say the Salmon run is mandatory for him which is why this boat was critical.
Larry is hard to gauge. His anger may propel him all the way tho :D
Justin is another hard one to call. I really thought after his expedition he'd tap. What a great venue for his cause tho. I thought he was brilliant for being on the show and often talking about his work. What a great way to bring attention to the men and women suffering from PTSD and despair :salute:.
I would not be surprised if Nicole outlasts everyone. While Jose seems the likely choice luck plays a huge part. She has a good location and plenty of fish for now. I am taking nothing away from her determination/attitude/skills.
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Post by: Toolslinger on June 21, 2016, 05:23:45 PM
I think that they may start dropping once the winter storms start picking up. That was a real game-changer in the last season in terms of what contestants were able to accomplish. Alan, the winner, pretty much holed up and only went out to get food.
Depending on the stat of their shelters and access to food (or stored food), we could start seeing some pretty quick tap-outs. It also depends on how everything has been edited to fit into the episodes. It's hard to tell how much time will get covered in each.
Post by: styx on June 25, 2016, 02:10:52 PM
Post by: JP on June 27, 2016, 03:48:20 AM
They haven't shown how folks are settling in for the long haul.
IE smoking fish etc, splitting fire wood, winterizing shelters.
It appears that the food situation is boom and bust. Why had David waited so long to eat the Bull kelp and Dungeness crab?
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Post by: Aloha on June 27, 2016, 04:11:34 PM
They showed the boys in this past episode. Boredom got to Justin and I am not sure why they ignored Nicole.
They haven't shown how folks are settling in for the long haul.
IE smoking fish etc, splitting fire wood, winterizing shelters.
It appears that the food situation is boom and bust. Why had David waited so long to eat the Bull kelp and Dungeness crab?
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I know editing play a part on how we "see" what they are doing. I did wonder exactly the same thing :think:. It would seem they'd all be exploiting every food opportunity.
Justin did seem very bored. We didn't really see how he was feeing himself or how he was getting along in camp. It appears as tho he may have been "camping" rather than "surviving" which is about what he said upon making his decision to leave.
In that regard I knew it was his time to go as the "test" was over. He seems like a squared away guy and I would have like to see how far he could have gone. Winter is coming and new challenges with it.
Nicole not being shown was interesting. Early on she was talking about home a bit but I am not recalling her mention it recently. It seems as tho she's at "home" in these woods. She has a good attitude and skills to match.
It will be very interesting to see how Jose does with his boat. He spent a lot of time on it so I hope for his sake it pays back some.
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Post by: Syph007 on July 05, 2016, 11:56:16 PM
I think they should be allowed to meet once a week and trade.
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Post by: Syph007 on July 06, 2016, 02:40:58 AM
PBS had a reality show on period correct Montana Homesteading. 3 or 4 families set out. I would like to see another show like that but over a longer period of time.
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I remember watching that or something like it. One guy making liquor to trade if its the one Im thinking of. Very interesting.
Post by: styx on July 06, 2016, 09:17:42 AM
PBS had a reality show on period correct Montana Homesteading. 3 or 4 families set out. I would like to see another show like that but over a longer period of time.
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I remember watching that or something like it. One guy making liquor to trade if its the one Im thinking of. Very interesting.
that's always a good thing to trade
Post by: TazzieRob on July 11, 2016, 08:56:52 AM
The crab David was catching didn't look like Dungeness crab, they looked more like Red Rock crab.
Jose was lucky not to get sick off those mussels, guess it was a calculated risk based on his own knowledge.
Super impressed with Jose's kayak, shame it took him so long to make and he missed the salmon.
Nicole needed to start hunting harbour seal :twak: she was lucky to get the fish she did in that location but let extra go rather than preserving for later. Shame to see her tap, 2 months away and missing her son's birthday would definitely be tough. Definitely a huge achievement for her to be proud of. Going to miss her positivity.
What is the motivation for Larry and David? I can only think they are holding out for the money. Whilst I'm sure there are guys who have already tapped that could have lasted longer based on their skills, they decided they no longer needed to be there for the money, so left.
I'm not saying that Larry or David won't be deserving winners if it is one of them, but both of their attitudes are off putting for watching. Larry keeps saying he needs to change but keeps on with the same attitude, though a peek at a crack as he confronts his situation seems to be emerging there.
3 left and 2 episodes to go, will be interesting.
Post by: styx on July 11, 2016, 10:50:50 AM
as far as being off putting, for me it's mostly David. He hasn't shown a lot and has really been roughing it
Post by: Toolslinger on July 11, 2016, 12:10:29 PM
I for sure thought angry Larry would have tapped by now or hurt himself. I'm also surprised that David is still there too.
I'd like for Jose to win as he seems to be the most in-tune with his situation at the moment.
Post by: JP on July 11, 2016, 12:25:56 PM
Regarding the Salmon run, I was talking to someone that went to BC for a fishing trip recently. The outfitter told him that this year there wasn't a big Salmon run. They said that the ocean was too warm and it didn't trigger the spawn. Maybe it was the same when this was filmed?
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Post by: Toolslinger on July 11, 2016, 02:15:03 PM
I haven't seen the latest episode. I will watch it tonight.
Regarding the Salmon run, I was talking to someone that went to BC for a fishing trip recently. The outfitter told him that this year there wasn't a big Salmon run. They said that the ocean was too warm and it didn't trigger the spawn. Maybe it was the same when this was filmed?
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Considering it would have been filmed last fall/winter, there is a good possibility this was the case.
Post by: Aloha on July 11, 2016, 04:47:58 PM
Sad to see Nicole go. She seemed to be closer to living off the land than some of the others. Was a little concerned when they said the team had received a distress call. Thought she might have been having medical issues. Thankfully, it was just a tap out.
I for sure thought angry Larry would have tapped by now or hurt himself. I'm also surprised that David is still there too.
I'd like for Jose to win as he seems to be the most in-tune with his situation at the moment.
They all seemed to be really missing their families and home. Jose always seemed to be the front runner with all his experience however Nicole was quite amazing. Sad to see her go as well. She seemed to really be at home out there.
Interesting they all seem to be getting along better than last years cast :think:
Nice also to see this group pass Alans mark :salute:.
Post by: Toolslinger on July 11, 2016, 08:14:10 PM
Sad to see Nicole go. She seemed to be closer to living off the land than some of the others. Was a little concerned when they said the team had received a distress call. Thought she might have been having medical issues. Thankfully, it was just a tap out.
I for sure thought angry Larry would have tapped by now or hurt himself. I'm also surprised that David is still there too.
I'd like for Jose to win as he seems to be the most in-tune with his situation at the moment.
They all seemed to be really missing their families and home. Jose always seemed to be the front runner with all his experience however Nicole was quite amazing. Sad to see her go as well. She seemed to really be at home out there.
Interesting they all seem to be getting along better than last years cast :think:
Nice also to see this group pass Alans mark :salute:.
I would have been very surprised if they hadn't passed the mark from last year. They did have the first season of shows to be able to learn from.
Will be interesting to see how the remaining 3 hold up now that winter seems to be moving in.
Post by: Aloha on July 11, 2016, 08:33:42 PM
I'm not so sure about Jose. We didn't really get to see him all that much. I would have loved to see all that he did in terms of food gathering.
David has skill. He's tapped into some of his skills after he's gone thru his doubts and griping. I like this dude.
Its really interesting to listen to all the internal conversations they are having. Glad to hear Larry has recognized his sacrifices have meant so much to his family. It does take a toll having to work at a job you may not like. Doing it day in and day out for your family is commendable.
Post by: ducttapetech on July 11, 2016, 08:44:37 PM
That and this group went in at fall. The last went in right at the end of fall and had to start dealing with the cold, ice and snow right from the get go.Sad to see Nicole go. She seemed to be closer to living off the land than some of the others. Was a little concerned when they said the team had received a distress call. Thought she might have been having medical issues. Thankfully, it was just a tap out.
I for sure thought angry Larry would have tapped by now or hurt himself. I'm also surprised that David is still there too.
I'd like for Jose to win as he seems to be the most in-tune with his situation at the moment.
They all seemed to be really missing their families and home. Jose always seemed to be the front runner with all his experience however Nicole was quite amazing. Sad to see her go as well. She seemed to really be at home out there.
Interesting they all seem to be getting along better than last years cast :think:
Nice also to see this group pass Alans mark :salute:.
I would have been very surprised if they hadn't passed the mark from last year. They did have the first season of shows to be able to learn from.
Will be interesting to see how the remaining 3 hold up now that winter seems to be moving in.
Nate
Post by: Alan K. on July 11, 2016, 09:04:27 PM
Post by: Aloha on July 11, 2016, 09:10:09 PM
David has more than enough fight left in him. He also has his kids as a terrific motivating factor.
Jose :think: I don't think Ive seen enough of what he's been doing to know. He seems to have come out for more adventure and testing his skill rather than the money :think:
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Post by: Aloha on July 11, 2016, 11:34:50 PM
David is very capable however he seems to get in his own way at times. Better yet he seems to not reach for the "tools" he does have. Like I said I dig this dude and when he put his mind to fishing he was snagging some nice crabs. I thought he did a wonderful job on fixing his net.
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Post by: Aloha on July 12, 2016, 02:43:59 AM
Now you know they aren't allowed to kill seals or any other marine mammals. Of course, they don't have to film everything. ;)
See I was thinking the same thing :whistle:
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Post by: Aloha on July 12, 2016, 02:53:27 AM
For real? No seal allowed?
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I figured they had some rules they had to abide by.
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Post by: Toolslinger on July 12, 2016, 03:15:32 PM
Last season, a number of contestants took hunting kit and expressed their frustration at the lack of animals to hunt.
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Post by: Toolslinger on July 12, 2016, 05:19:00 PM
I watched a number of vids on youtube from the various participants once the NDA was lifted.
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Until then I'll keep quiet.Me too!
We can discuss then.
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Post by: Alan K. on July 17, 2016, 11:51:07 AM
Is that what you're getting as well, or does anyone reading this thread not know the winner yet?
I just really don't want to spoil it for anyone.
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I'm aware of the winner.
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I shed a tear :cheers:
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 22, 2016, 11:48:44 AM
The Spaniard rolled his kayak and then figured that because he was already wearing all of his warm clothes which were now wet, and because he would not be able to dry them before the night time temperatures dropped, that he risked hypothermia so he called for rescue. That just left 2.
I wonder how long it took the boat to get there......he was still standing in the water when they got there........shock? Disappointment?
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Post by: Aloha on July 22, 2016, 03:51:09 PM
shock probably
Most certainly shock. He looked "lost" if you will. I was so bummed for him having to tap as a result of being soaked. I think he made the right call. I'm not familiar with wool but I cannot imagine he would be able to dry out. I do wish we would have seen more of his time on the island. His skills were certainly on display IMO.
Post by: JP on July 22, 2016, 04:30:01 PM
Wool is one of the best fibres for warmth retention while wet.
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 22, 2016, 04:44:58 PM
When is the casting call for Season 4?
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Next time I get retrenched/made redundant/employer closes doors, or when "my government" finally passes AA legislation that would make me unemployable..........I'm applying, and I'll win.
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Post by: styx on July 22, 2016, 07:30:26 PM
Oh and wool retains a lot of insulating value but with the wind it still is a wet piece of clothing. Takes a while to dry too, even more so since it's not the best idea to put it directly over any heat source that would quicken the process (fire in their case, radiator in my case). Probably the best thing to do, outside of changing into something dry, would be to put on a windbreaker jacket or an anorak over the wet wool and be close to a heat source
Post by: LoopCutter on July 22, 2016, 07:47:15 PM
+1 on stubbornness.
I was impressed with the skills of several folk, yet when it came down to the majority, they accomplished what they set out to prove, and missing loved ones or being bored, was reason to tap.
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Post by: Syph007 on July 22, 2016, 11:56:38 PM
Season 3 is going to be in the Patagonian rain forest at the southern end of South America. It is filming now.
Very nice. The BC locale is pretty limiting for survival options.
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Post by: Aloha on July 25, 2016, 03:25:17 PM
Something about work, bills, small children and commitment....bah
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Pretty sure they all receive an "income" while they're out. As far as children and such :think:.
Post by: Aloha on July 25, 2016, 03:27:37 PM
Season 3 is going to be in the Patagonian rain forest at the southern end of South America. It is filming now.
This locale ought to bring up some new challenges. Good to see a change as I can imagine the many hopefuls after season 1 studying all they could about Vancouver Island.
Post by: JP on July 25, 2016, 04:42:40 PM
Pretty sure they all receive an "income" while they're out. As far as children and such :think:.
Sweet. That would be great.
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Post by: TazzieRob on July 28, 2016, 09:42:00 AM
The one thing I thought could take down Jose did it. He was really reefing on that gill net, and the tippy kayak just wasn't up for it. Had he had Mike's Barge I reckon he'd have been fine. Given his location he did remarkably well. I was wondering why with such small floats on his outriggers that he put them so close to the hull. Longer outriggers would have given a bit more stability, but would have cut down maneuverability. Also he'd left himself no contingency if he went in by wearing all of his warm clothing. Did he have a fire going back at camp? My guess is probably not. He was so quick to hit the button once he got out. Must have really shocked him, that water would have been bitterly cold.
Never did see that wolf on the beach from the opening or closing segment, did anyone else?
Larry really rode the roller coaster, I thought he was going to tap earlier but gritted it out for a bit longer.
Mary Kate cut through one of the tendons and only has limited use of the thumb now, man that is such a cringe worthy bit of footage every time I see it. Really serves as a reminder to not put bits of yourself in the line of fire.
Change of location is going to be very interesting for season 3!
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Post by: Aloha on July 28, 2016, 05:22:41 PM
Never did see the wolf either. Kind of annoyed that they would tease us with something like that and then not show it.
:twak: I agree it wasn't a nice tease.
Post by: styx on September 18, 2016, 11:26:20 AM
for all interested he is in episode 100
http://knifejournal.com/PodCast/feed.xml
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Post by: JP on December 09, 2016, 06:25:27 PM
So,
They have Trout to catch and Wild Boar to hunt. Tasty options.
And Puma aka Mountain Lion aka Cougar aka Panther aka trouble to contend with.
Post by: Aloha on December 10, 2016, 06:50:06 AM
I'd also be trying to figure out how to trap and kill one of those hogs.
Post by: styx on December 10, 2016, 06:10:33 PM
How to trap a hog securely enough to kill it is the issue I wouldn't want to be solving in that situation. Maybe if one were to focus on smaller hogs rather than the large ones...
Post by: Aloha on December 10, 2016, 06:20:26 PM
How to kill a hog with the given resources? Spear. Big spear. Or dart from an atlatl, maybe a few arrows too.
How to trap a hog securely enough to kill it is the issue I wouldn't want to be solving in that situation. Maybe if one were to focus on smaller hogs rather than the large ones...
I wasn't aware how big they can get. I wouldn't want a pissed off hog in a "trap" while I was trying to kill it getting loose.
Post by: styx on December 10, 2016, 09:21:14 PM
had a similar talk about deer recently too. locally we have one species of deer that is about as big as a goat and your run of the mill red deer. but due to some words being used incorrectly most people think that the goat sized female is the proper term for a red deer doe
Post by: 4everYoung on January 08, 2017, 09:51:16 PM
Watching the last episode I saw Fowler using what looked like a Vic Spirit. And I really like his little shovel/ax combo tool. I think it's a cold steel.
Interesting enough he is the only one that opted for not having fixed blade knife but rather a multitool. No one else this reason carried a multitool at all.
So I guess if he does well that could bode well for the use of multitool in survival situations.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on January 09, 2017, 08:33:05 AM
I find this third season very interesting so far because it seems the contestants have learned from the previous seasons and there's more strategy involved.
One of the early departures really made me wonder why he went in the first place......
The big guy's take-it-easy approach is interesting, for me personally because that would be the best strategy for me as well, and I want to see how it works out for him.
Looks like they might stay out a bit longer this time round, and if I had to place a bet at this stage it would be on the hippie chick 8)
Wouldn't need to, but if I was going on Alone, I would study and practice primitive and hand-line fishing methods :whistle:
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Interesting that Fowler didnt bring a fixed blade. He did bring a Swisstool Spirit tho.
Zach seems to have made a fat wood handle for his ferro rod. Not sure if that made it out with him. Good idea tho.
Dave made a neat ferro rod holder which looks like fat wood. I am really wondering if this made it out with him.
Post by: JP on January 19, 2017, 03:59:52 AM
As I am putting my stuff on eBay I was thinking why wouldn't they take a Victorinox Swisschamp and an axe? Think of everything you could do with the Parcel Hook!!
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on January 19, 2017, 08:05:34 AM
I am digging this season too. Really like the herbalist lady so far but we will see what happens with her health. I too am surprised at their fishing techniques. why don't they each have 20 lines set and smoke the fillets and get by on organs and fish head soup? Getting a boar would be awesome too..... Again since it is TV, there is likely much left out.
I'm wondering the same thing, and some of their techniques...... :think:
The battle to trap the fox was quite entertaining :rofl:
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Post by: Aloha on January 19, 2017, 05:54:30 PM
Greg sure did have a battle with that fox :rofl:. I was routing for him but I guess they don't call the fox "sly" for nothing.
Carleigh and Callie are some persistent ladies. Callie's spider bites really don't look too good.
Its been another really good season.
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on January 23, 2017, 10:03:53 AM
I have to say, Callie and Carleigh are impressive this season, same as Nicole last season.
I thought Callie is just a bit of a hippie, but that woman's mental strength is spectacular. :hatsoff:
Post by: Aloha on January 23, 2017, 07:38:22 PM
Caught up on the newest episodes.....
I have to say, Callie and Carleigh are impressive this season, same as Nicole last season.
I thought Callie is just a bit of a hippie, but that woman's mental strength is spectacular. :hatsoff:
Those ladies are terrific. I'd be stoked to be lost with either solely based on their skill and toughness.
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on January 24, 2017, 07:34:37 AM
We don't get the whole picture, she's obviously affected, but how much? I don't think any of them are gathering enough food, and as we can see the wild edibles will soon be something of the past.
Post by: Alan K. on January 24, 2017, 10:58:47 AM
http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/the-wheel/about-the-wheel/
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Post by: 4everYoung on January 30, 2017, 10:15:12 AM
I'm pulling for Fowler. His shelter looks like he's in it for the long haul. More like wilderness living than survival.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on January 30, 2017, 10:45:01 AM
I was surprised she left. I thought she had a real shot at winning.
I'm pulling for Fowler. His shelter looks like he's in it for the long haul. More like wilderness living than survival.
My money would be on him simply because it looks like he lost the least weight.....which is surprising considering his start.
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Post by: Aloha on January 30, 2017, 05:46:27 PM
Fowlers shelter is pretty great. He looks like he has lost very little weight as compared to the other guy. When he took off his shirt I was cringing. He was so thin.
Congrats to them all for outlasting both previous seasons. I really liked how they presented this last episode.
I really want to see Carleigh win. Be great for the next batch of ladies and well having 2 girls myself I always love to see them kick butt.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on February 07, 2017, 12:24:31 PM
What a way to go for Dave, the only one with food reserves and he starves himself out of the competition :oops:
Post by: Aloha on February 07, 2017, 07:40:29 PM
:facepalm:
What a way to go for Dave, the only one with food reserves and he starves himself out of the competition :oops:
Yes seriously. Really goes to show how you've got to stay mentally in the game at all times. I really am routing for one of the ladies to win. I think Fowler is terrific and his shelter IMO is one of the best so far. He does't appear to have lost much weight.
Post by: Alan K. on February 08, 2017, 02:59:16 AM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on February 08, 2017, 01:03:11 PM
If they get the right?/wrong? people they'll end up filming a new season every second year :rofl:
Agreed, I think one of the ladies will take it.
Fowler is looking a bit raw, but considering his tough start :hatsoff: to the man!
Post by: LoopCutter on February 08, 2017, 02:19:23 PM
I'm fairly certain 1 of the ladies is going to win and out of the 2 of them I'd go with the young girl from Alaska because the other lady is really suffering from missing her kids.The youngin has a great shot as long as she keeps pounding the drum and keeps getting food.
The other broke a molar, from her rose hip seeds I bet. If the tooth/nerve get infected, she will be suffering.
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Post by: JP on February 10, 2017, 12:36:53 AM
If the show paired you up like Naked and Afraid your time outdoors must stretch to an almost unlimited amount of time if you have luck.
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It is yet very interesting the accomplishments completed by many.
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Post by: styx on February 11, 2017, 05:23:03 PM
What always impresses me is or should I say fascinates me is the mental aspect. You've got to go in with coping skills to some extent. I am wondering whats next for Alone? As been said its not a game of how long one can survive per se its outlasting the others breaking point. Sure you've got to be on your game but as we've seen others will tap out typically after missing their families.
don't have an attachment to anyone or anything? seems like a solid plan for the mental aspect
Post by: LoopCutter on February 11, 2017, 06:16:48 PM
Oh, you would not last a month without access to MTO.What always impresses me is or should I say fascinates me is the mental aspect. You've got to go in with coping skills to some extent. I am wondering whats next for Alone? As been said its not a game of how long one can survive per se its outlasting the others breaking point. Sure you've got to be on your game but as we've seen others will tap out typically after missing their families.
don't have an attachment to anyone or anything? seems like a solid plan for the mental aspect
We all have our anchors.
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Post by: styx on February 11, 2017, 08:01:46 PM
Oh, you would not last a month without access to MTO.What always impresses me is or should I say fascinates me is the mental aspect. You've got to go in with coping skills to some extent. I am wondering whats next for Alone? As been said its not a game of how long one can survive per se its outlasting the others breaking point. Sure you've got to be on your game but as we've seen others will tap out typically after missing their families.
don't have an attachment to anyone or anything? seems like a solid plan for the mental aspect
We all have our anchors.
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Considering the truthfulness of that statement, I'm not sure if that is hilarious or sad
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on February 13, 2017, 07:33:45 PM
Little bit disappointed by how it ended, the winner was deserving, and the looser deserved better :salute:
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Post by: styx on February 15, 2017, 09:43:06 PM
Australia – This country’s unique animals could test survivalists on what survival really means.
Alaska – This is a place best for hunting. It has been revealed that most contestants came from this state.
Nepal – Despite the potential danger, this is a place good for exploration with its hilly and challenging landscapes. This south Asian country is a non-mountainous area.
Norway – It also makes sense to feature this place since Alone’s European spinoff was also conducted in Norway.
The Maldives – In this prominent tourist spot, viewers will discover if one can survive having just the ocean to provide for them.
The Amazon – Contestants have to study Tarzan’s life with this intense jungle location. It would be very different from cold places. There is no doubt that this will definitely create good TV
The head of programming said this
“In Season 4, we are elevating the show to even greater heights. And hope the evolution of the series will continue to captivate viewers and keep them on their toes.”
Post by: JP on February 16, 2017, 01:21:59 AM
Ie Fire starter badge
Fish caught
Bird trapped
Spoons made
Like leveling up in a resource gathering video game....Or maybe this is a completely different show.
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“In Season 4, we are elevating the show to even greater heights. And hope the evolution of the series will continue to captivate viewers and keep them on their toes.”
As long as they remember they're not Naked & Afraid!
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Post by: Aloha on February 16, 2017, 07:18:19 PM
sure but there is a bit of a caveat with the 10 item restriction. if some things weren't prohibited the results could be quite different
Makes it all the more interesting.
I just love the human psyche.
Post by: styx on February 16, 2017, 09:38:02 PM
Post by: LoopCutter on February 16, 2017, 09:57:28 PM
well i just want to see someone hunt a boar with an axeOther than a few mice, I do not recall anyone harvesting any red meat or birds, only fish or shell fish.
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Post by: styx on February 17, 2017, 07:33:53 PM
well i just want to see someone hunt a boar with an axeOther than a few mice, I do not recall anyone harvesting any red meat or birds, only fish or shell fish.
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your memory serves you well. i do find it a bit odd that no one tried the ojibwa bird snare since it is quite effective
Post by: Aloha on February 17, 2017, 11:33:26 PM
well i just want to see someone hunt a boar with an axeOther than a few mice, I do not recall anyone harvesting any red meat or birds, only fish or shell fish.
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Wait didn't Fowler catch a bird :think: Yeah I'm certain he did.
Post by: styx on February 18, 2017, 09:16:58 PM
Post by: Aloha on February 19, 2017, 12:58:20 AM
https://youtu.be/uVORoHEZdQI
This article he speaks about catching a bird.
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/exclusive-interview-zachary-fowler-talks-surviving-in-the-wild-on-historys-alone/
Post by: LoopCutter on February 19, 2017, 04:05:35 PM
I stand corrected, Fowler did catch a bird.well i just want to see someone hunt a boar with an axeOther than a few mice, I do not recall anyone harvesting any red meat or birds, only fish or shell fish.
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That I then believe is the only non fish or seafood meat substance consumed.
Others had found animals and ducks dead but did not consume.
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Post by: styx on February 20, 2017, 06:05:23 PM
However in their place not sure I'd risk it
Post by: Aloha on February 20, 2017, 06:54:45 PM
Being "fatter" I'm sure helped a bit too. He lost 70lbs overall and was still within what their medical team deemed ok to continue.
Post by: styx on February 20, 2017, 09:28:58 PM
Post by: Aloha on February 20, 2017, 09:44:49 PM
So I'm not fat, I'm just ready to survive
Yes. :D
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on February 21, 2017, 11:44:22 AM
On YT School of Self Reliance and Survival Russia there were recent videos about the advantages of a saw over an axe, both very convincing.
I guess it all depends on where you are, but I would find it very difficult to depend on a MT rather than a knife.
Had an interesting conversation with my cousin who is more a farm boy. He was very impressed with my shaving sharp Council tool, but pointed out there is a reason for the more obtuse (I think that's the right use of the word?) edge on locally used axes - very hard woods in general.
Post by: 4everYoung on February 21, 2017, 01:16:00 PM
The neat thing about Fowlers win is he didn't bring a "survival" knife. He brought a Spirit and that shovel. Yes he had a axe and saw but I found it pretty neat and totally against what many profess is their go to when outdoors. Dave Canterbury for a while now as I'm many other have talked about how important an axe is outdoors. This is the go to for processing wood.
Being "fatter" I'm sure helped a bit too. He lost 70lbs overall and was still within what their medical team deemed ok to continue.
I think the fact he carried an odd setup of tools but did make/ do so much, is one of the reasons why I was pulling for him to win it. I sure most "YouTube survivalist" would scoff at him and call him a hack bc he didn't carry a dedicated knife. Just goes to show that there is no secret formula to success in survival.
Post by: Aloha on February 21, 2017, 03:25:29 PM
I say yay for homesteaders and hurrah for guys like him who are do it yourselfers. Taking nothing away from the "survivalist" and those who had specialized skills. He didn't bring any food rations. Part of the 10 items can include food rations and from what I read he felt his tools were more important. The only item he brought that was IMO questionable was his sling shot. His shovel turned out to be quite a good tool out there. With the sharpened edge it was more like a hatchet/shovel/knife.
Post by: styx on February 21, 2017, 06:18:08 PM
I can see the point behind the slingshot since it can take small game and is easier to carry around on a scout or water trip than a bow.
Post by: Aloha on February 21, 2017, 06:39:18 PM
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Post by: Aloha on February 22, 2017, 01:38:48 AM
It's not just that. If you're used to something like a Mora which is thin and then upgrade to shall we say a Becker BK-7, it still is a knife but not one that performs in the same way
:salute:
I wonder how many participants actually have felling axe experience? Seems like they instinctively take gear they think they'll need. I wonder how many actually bring gear they've used on a regular basis?
Post by: Alan K. on February 22, 2017, 04:48:34 AM
It's not just that. If you're used to something like a Mora which is thin and then upgrade to shall we say a Becker BK-7, it still is a knife but not one that performs in the same way
:salute:
I wonder how many participants actually have felling axe experience? Seems like they instinctively take gear they think they'll need. I wonder how many actually bring gear they've used on a regular basis?
I believe you're right about them bringing what they think they will need, or what they think they should have because it is expected of them, even if they have little or no experience with tools such as a felling axe. I'm not very comfortable with an axe myself and would rather have a good saw for hard woods and a machete for softer woods.
Post by: Aloha on February 22, 2017, 06:44:55 AM
I don't think even with a month or two I'd not be comfortable enough to choose either.
Post by: styx on February 22, 2017, 06:10:41 PM
Post by: JP on February 23, 2017, 03:10:46 AM
You will be an expert axe swinger after a short while. Safety first....And as demonstrated this season always walk with it in its scabbard/sheath.
As for the bow, I am in beginner lessons and you will be shooting in minutes, relatively confident in close range shots landing in the "neighbourhood" of where you are aiming within hours....and besides, when will you ever have so much time to practice other than when on this show?
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Post by: JP on February 23, 2017, 03:12:37 AM
Doesn't New Zealand have herds of wild cattle and feral goats?
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Post by: styx on February 23, 2017, 08:20:21 PM
As for axe use, have you seen the cord wood axe challenge?
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Post by: JP on February 27, 2017, 12:58:25 PM
I want to be hired by the State of Texas to hunt the Wild Hog professionally.
I don't fully understand the hog problem though. Why wouldn't all of the ranchers that are having problems get organized and begin a eradication program to reduce the population on their range?
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Post by: styx on February 28, 2017, 11:03:42 PM
Ouch. $30k is a huge amount of money. Sorry.
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It's my local currency but still a lot. If it were in US dollars, someone's head would go missing as the exchange rate is over 6 (so it would be over 180k)
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on March 01, 2017, 09:21:32 AM
Ouch. $30k is a huge amount of money. Sorry.
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It's my local currency but still a lot. If it were in US dollars, someone's head would go missing as the exchange rate is over 6 (so it would be over 180k)
In US$ that would be just short of 2 years' salary.
If I can win Alone I can retire wastefully :cheers:
Post by: styx on March 01, 2017, 06:04:56 PM
Ouch. $30k is a huge amount of money. Sorry.
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It's my local currency but still a lot. If it were in US dollars, someone's head would go missing as the exchange rate is over 6 (so it would be over 180k)
In US$ that would be just short of 2 years' salary.
If I can win Alone I can retire wastefully :cheers:
So you're applying?
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To learn more, please email aloneshowcasting@gmail.com with your name, age, contact information, location, and a brief description about your survival expertise!
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Post by: styx on March 04, 2017, 09:40:31 PM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on March 06, 2017, 02:17:17 PM
I'm hesitant about my abilities in a cold environment, I've never seen snow, except maybe from a distance on a mountain top, and that would've been on a visit to South Africa.
I walk through or roll in poison ivy without even knowing.
I would be more at home in a dry environment, but I wouldn't want to go if water was an issue :rofl:
Simple fact is if they don't pay some kind of salary from the beginning I couldn't afford to even try.
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Post by: Aloha on June 07, 2017, 03:57:10 PM
http://www.history.com/shows/alone/about
http://www.history.com/shows/alone/videos/alone-season-4-teaser?playlist_slug=alone-season-4-preview-list
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 08, 2017, 01:38:56 PM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 08, 2017, 01:43:12 PM
So what, season 4 - (Almost) Alone....? :think:
Post by: LoopCutter on June 08, 2017, 01:55:28 PM
Loved ones, I thought it would be more interesting with strangers like the last season of Amazing Race.
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Post by: Aloha on June 08, 2017, 03:03:47 PM
Actually, tonight, Thursday 6/08, at 10P, is the selection show after the season premiere of Mountain Men.
Loved ones, I thought it would be more interesting with strangers like the last season of Amazing Race.
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It should make for a very interesting season with loved one teams. We've seen some very capable women so I would expect to see some great women teams.
Post by: styx on June 08, 2017, 06:01:13 PM
Post by: LoopCutter on June 08, 2017, 06:56:34 PM
Considering how good the women on there have been, it is a bit of a surprise that there wasn't a female winner yetSeason 3 should have been a tie. Both finalist were ready for medical exits as the show was presented. The young lady started with less mass so became first targeted. Mentally she was good for few more days.
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Post by: styx on June 08, 2017, 08:06:30 PM
Considering how good the women on there have been, it is a bit of a surprise that there wasn't a female winner yetSeason 3 should have been a tie. Both finalist were ready for medical exits as the show was presented. The young lady started with less mass so became first targeted. Mentally she was good for few more days.
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I'd bet she had at least another few weeks in her mentally
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 09, 2017, 10:46:26 AM
Said it before and will say it again, the ladies impressed me the most. :salute:
I managed to watch the trailer last night despite our internet woes, and I don't feel better.
My fascination with the show stems from watching what happens to people who are alone, now I'll be watching a more hardcore version of Naked & Afraid :facepalm:
Post by: LoopCutter on June 09, 2017, 01:07:46 PM
~It is a new twist. Only 10 items between the pair. Yet, one must navigate 10 miles ALONE while the other starts camp setup ALONE, yet with only some of the selection items.
My fascination with the show stems from watching what happens to people who are alone, now I'll be watching a more hardcore version of Naked & Afraid :facepalm:
It was hinted that then10 mile trek could take a week or longer. Water and food will be required along with shelter during the trek. This adds a new physical demand as well mental challenge to both parties.
Filming themselves is also involved.
The show also detailed how crews and teams will be monitoring and able to respond if needs require intervention.
Interesting changes with expectations of more risks.
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Post by: JP on June 10, 2017, 12:13:06 AM
Hmmm
Post by: Aloha on June 10, 2017, 07:49:59 AM
This looks to be a nice twist with teams and the 10 mile trek to find the teammate. The team dynamics will be interesting to watch.
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Post by: Alan K. on June 10, 2017, 04:16:04 PM
Post by: Aloha on June 10, 2017, 04:32:36 PM
The premise of Alone IMO is still them alone . Some things to consider, the teammate will have to trek to locate their teammate. That trek should eliminate a few teams as the trek as hinted will take a week or more. The interesting part is both will be alone for a week or more. They will have to figure out how to survive with the added hope of reuniting. I think the psychological aspect will be interesting. You'll have each eagerly trying to reunite.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 12, 2017, 12:14:19 PM
I haven't taken notes, but I'm willing to wager the majority over all season tapped out for mental reasons, they were alone......
I found it fascinating how more than one person convinced themselves they were being selfish by staying.
Now it's going to be politics, and BS......even between friends and family members.......fights about who lost the ferro rod :facepalm:
Post by: styx on June 12, 2017, 03:19:10 PM
Post by: Aloha on June 12, 2017, 03:25:56 PM
http://www.history.com/shows/alone/cast
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 13, 2017, 03:21:55 PM
Imagine this is a pirate :viking:
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Post by: Aloha on June 15, 2017, 03:51:25 PM
https://youtu.be/ZmNYXwA7jKc
Post by: Aloha on June 15, 2017, 03:55:41 PM
https://youtu.be/0giFtDjkGkA
Post by: Aloha on June 15, 2017, 04:01:20 PM
https://youtu.be/xaB925nylow
Post by: JP on June 16, 2017, 02:26:23 AM
So we need a pirate one too?Here is the shows premise:
Give participants a wooden sail boat with meagre supplies and all sorts of camera gear, and a SAT Phone to 'tap out'.
Give them each a different treasure map.
First one to their treasure wins.
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Post by: styx on June 16, 2017, 09:21:24 AM
So we need a pirate one too?Here is the shows premise:
Give participants a wooden sail boat with meagre supplies and all sorts of camera gear, and a SAT Phone to 'tap out'.
Give them each a different treasure map.
First one to their treasure wins.
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Now I have just one question - how do I sign up?
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Post by: ducttapetech on June 16, 2017, 01:41:33 PM
Same here!So we need a pirate one too?Here is the shows premise:
Give participants a wooden sail boat with meagre supplies and all sorts of camera gear, and a SAT Phone to 'tap out'.
Give them each a different treasure map.
First one to their treasure wins.
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Now I have just one question - how do I sign up?
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Post by: Aloha on June 16, 2017, 02:55:30 PM
Last season an intro showed a wolf that seemed to approach a participant yet that footage never made it as part of the episode. I know they want to tease us or whatever but that in particular was lame.
I wont spoil what happened just yet but the premise of them being Alone is certainly there for now. The person hiking to find the teammate who is setting up camp has no clue how far they were dropped off. They have a bearing only and some wicked terrain to overcome. Neither has any idea of how long it will take to reunite.
Post by: styx on June 16, 2017, 03:31:31 PM
It could be an MTO production. Our pilot episode could be a short race.....and we will need Mermaids.....and a Kraken.
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Kraken and mermaids might be a bit expensive. Couldn't we just use Lobserboy instead?
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Post by: styx on June 17, 2017, 02:17:16 PM
Anyway the first episode did show a lot of what is to come and I agree with Aloha - might have been a bit too much
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Post by: Aloha on June 25, 2017, 10:05:23 PM
Holding a camera and filming might make the difference
Yes I very much agree and thought about that. I could have swore I saw GoPro attachments. I guess as I've gotten older I've become very deliberate in my actions. I know a fall these day would probably be a hip needing replacement :whistle:
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Post by: LoopCutter on June 27, 2017, 01:04:55 PM
The second episode had a few interesting parts. The most disappointing thing thus far is that Discovery hasn't put out the gear videos yetDiscovery will not. This is on History channel.
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Post by: Kev D on June 27, 2017, 01:11:14 PM
nah, you're still young until getting up from a chair hurts
smurf, I'm definitely old then :facepalm:
Post by: styx on June 27, 2017, 02:36:36 PM
The second episode had a few interesting parts. The most disappointing thing thus far is that Discovery hasn't put out the gear videos yetDiscovery will not. This is on History channel.
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Still they could have put 'em out :rofl: :rofl:
Since I watch it online in that gray area, I got no idea which channel is which
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Post by: LoopCutter on June 28, 2017, 03:01:17 AM
Already down to 5 teams, I would speculate that if you started watching with episode 3, they will catch you up and then decide If ep 1 & 2 are worth your time.
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Post by: JP on June 30, 2017, 01:48:51 AM
Taps after a few hours and a sprained ankle. Couldn't you try sleeping on it?
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Post by: LoopCutter on June 30, 2017, 02:25:58 AM
1st was an hour for drop point looking for a flat spot.
2nd was not prepare for near proximity of bears.
Mental prep is all important and young-ins were not.
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Post by: styx on June 30, 2017, 07:37:15 AM
Post by: Aloha on June 30, 2017, 08:09:24 AM
The sprained ankle is a bummer but he also seemed to be a bit overwhelmed.
Those hikers certainly are slogging thru some stuff.
I have to say I'm enjoying this season so far.
Post by: styx on June 30, 2017, 03:46:48 PM
Also, how awesome is that woman? Few days in and she has a fireplace. Give her 2 weeks and she'd probably go nuts over choosing drapes for her 2 story house with a basement gym, 2 car garage and outdoor hot tub
Post by: LoopCutter on June 30, 2017, 04:50:10 PM
~Yes, she does appeared to be the most settled
Also, how awesome is that woman? Few days in and she has a fireplace.
However, she has fire, but I have seen her drinking water from the stream and again just drinking from her coffee pot without video of her boiling.
Also, have not seen her eat much other than some fungus she gathered day one or two. If she did eat?
If edited out then bad on producers from showing the complete experience.
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Post by: Aloha on June 30, 2017, 05:04:28 PM
I always wondered if anyone on Alone peed around their campsite to "mark" their territory? Of if it would even matter?
Post by: JP on June 30, 2017, 06:17:25 PM
Eat those wolves, easier to kill than a bear.
Post by: styx on June 30, 2017, 08:54:48 PM
She certainly seems to be settled in. I would think they ( Alone ) would show her sterilizing her water. She has had 2 encounters with a wolf. I would hope she hasn't set up camp in their immediate area. I was a little worried she went to investigate after seeing it as she laid in the sun.
I always wondered if anyone on Alone peed around their campsite to "mark" their territory? Of if it would even matter?
Do we know if it works in general? With all the rain, maybe it would work better or maybe it wouldn't stay long
Post by: JP on June 30, 2017, 09:55:17 PM
I have heard about "man hunt" stories and tracking a fugitive. The area was well covered with scent due to the amount of time the fugitive spent in bush that tracking hounds wouldn't work.
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Post by: Alan K. on July 01, 2017, 06:22:26 AM
Post by: Aloha on July 01, 2017, 07:53:36 AM
She certainly seems to be settled in. I would think they ( Alone ) would show her sterilizing her water. She has had 2 encounters with a wolf. I would hope she hasn't set up camp in their immediate area. I was a little worried she went to investigate after seeing it as she laid in the sun.
I always wondered if anyone on Alone peed around their campsite to "mark" their territory? Of if it would even matter?
Do we know if it works in general? With all the rain, maybe it would work better or maybe it wouldn't stay long
Good point.
Post by: 4everYoung on July 01, 2017, 11:42:51 AM
Post by: styx on July 01, 2017, 02:11:28 PM
A friend of mine from US came to Croatia for 3 weeks. 29 years old, rented an apartment, first day I told her where she can get what she needs, how to get around and where the major sights are in the city because I had some other things that needed to be taken care of urgently.
In 3 days she didn't see much and got food poisoning from some fast food place.
Now the main issue here is that I've explained things beforehand several times. If you don't know how to cook, look at where the locals are going to eat or go to the store and get one of those "just add to boiling water" things. If you're unsure where the sights are, there are big brown posts with arrows pointing you towards 'em. In case you get disorientated, the mountain is to the north and that will help tremendously.
So in the age where wireless internet and smartphones are everywhere, where a lot of people talk at least passable english to help you out, where you have most conveniences at your fingertip, some people are just incompetent or easily overwhelmed.
Problem being that doing these things - going out in the wilderness with bare necessities, traveling the world alone and similar things are done to show one's independence and capabilities. What would have happened if this wasn't a show, if there wasn't an evacuation team? Some people like to test themselves in similar ways with very little in terms of a safety net.
Perhaps we all should be more honest with what are our limitations. For example:
I for one know that I haven't done an overnighter in a long time and getting back to it will take some adjusting. The more I learn, the more I realize how lacking some of my skills are because they are either dependent resources, too theoretical or just rusted over. Still nothing that can't be overcome with a little bit of time and easing into it.
Post by: JP on July 03, 2017, 06:31:28 PM
I think the married couple have the best shot from the 3 episodes I have seen.
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 05, 2017, 04:15:35 PM
What would have happened if this wasn't a show, if there wasn't an evacuation team? Some people like to test themselves in similar ways with very little in terms of a safety net.
I binge-watched EP00-03 this weekend, and that's the first thing that really annoyed, the additional safety teams along the hiking route.
I'll watch for sure for the sake of the previous seasons, but I believe they've smurfed the concept.
I'll also take this opportunity to heap very high heaps of scorn on the nancy-boy tappers-outers, and challenge the chokers to come do an African hiking trail........complete with med-evac, but only once you're hurt :twak:
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Post by: LoopCutter on July 07, 2017, 06:05:03 PM
The Southern brothers were shown finding each other in week 3.
The Canadian brothers not yet. The hiker is struggling due to lack of food intake but has maintained positive outlook.
They still have not shown Brook eating.
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 10, 2017, 09:25:00 AM
8-9 days to hike 10 miles........hectic terrain
Post by: styx on July 10, 2017, 02:02:26 PM
we ran a few tests here and on a maintained trail with a 10 degree incline I can cover 3km or 1.86411 miles in half an hour (I volunteered to be the guinea pig). The issue is that I've burned up about 500 calories in those 30 minutes. While that does depend on the weight of the person hiking it is still a lot. So who knows what kind of energy expenditure these guys have on that terrain.
Just to give some perspective I'm 187cm / 6'1.5 tall, leg length is 89cm / 35inch, shoe size is 47 european / 12ish UK / 13ish US (depends on the manufacturer, model and all that jive talk), walk just under 102kg / 225lbs and the tests were done in fair weather between 32°C / 89.6°F and 36°C / 96.8°F
Post by: Aloha on July 10, 2017, 04:15:29 PM
I am very interested I watching the dynamics of the teams. Food will be a huge issue and the stresses that come with finding it.
Post by: styx on July 10, 2017, 05:09:54 PM
Add in the 60lb bag they carry and the obvious disorientation, stress, excitement, constantly being wet, etc etc. I don't think that hike was at all an easy one.
I am very interested I watching the dynamics of the teams. Food will be a huge issue and the stresses that come with finding it.
Tell me about it. Perhaps we could repeat the tests with a bag
Post by: LoopCutter on July 11, 2017, 02:02:00 AM
Now the politics of who does what starts.....I would guess that if 10 miles from campsite, and with terrain observed the actual travel distance could be double or more actual distance walked (hiked).
8-9 days to hike 10 miles........hectic terrain
Knowing what each hiker endured to reach the camp site, it will be very interesting what the actual reaction will be as to work completed by their partner.
Brook has appeared to have done best. The other three not so much, almost like they were waiting for the reunion before establishing camp.
Food is the major factor, with a eagle near along with a wolf, small game and fish must in the area.
The bear scat inspected by Sam's dad indicated crab and other crustaceans and berries near.
Not sure about the other camps, need more info.
I am afraid this maybe a shorter season for two camps. JMHO.
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 12, 2017, 09:09:50 AM
If I carry that on the hikes with 10L additional water in for weight, the exercise is exponentially more.
They do have basic rations? From experience I know I can work hard on very little food, but there must be something to get my blood sugar up a bit or I suffer.
I'm 6'5 and currently over 130Kg.
Add to that a fear of heights, not debilitating but there, increased by the slippery conditions......I would not be happy there.
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Yes indeed.... :rofl:
Post by: LoopCutter on July 12, 2017, 10:36:43 PM
That IMHO makes it more difficult.
Back when younger I would winter hunt in insulated RedBall rubber boots that laced, it seem so much more effort. When I stopped growing I was allowed a good pair of leather hiking boots 11" high, I thought that I was a big boy then.
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Post by: LoopCutter on July 12, 2017, 10:40:54 PM
I bet where they are on the NW section of Vancouver Island, that they may well be the first modern humans to be on those spots.
Not my desire to trade places with any of them.
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Post by: styx on July 13, 2017, 09:17:33 AM
Easiest way is walk the dogs around the block (about 5km) with 2 x 10kg dumbbells in a backpack, get home, take off the backpack and feel like a ballerina :cheers:
Yes indeed.... :rofl:
Don't have dogs. Or a backpack that would handle 20kg
PS: Cold and wet will burn more calories too.
I bet where they are on the NW section of Vancouver Island, that they may well be the first modern humans to be on those spots.
Not my desire to trade places with any of them.
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Exactly. Perhaps this should be re branded as some sort of a Biggest loser competition but one that actually works
Post by: JP on July 14, 2017, 01:28:51 AM
I also want a large stone weir built. Parts of the West Coast still have ancient weirs/crustacean beds intact.
....10 minutes later.....
I did some Wikipedia reading.....
Weirs are pre-sapien technology. Hunting and Fishing is in our DNA.....right beside the armchair quarterbacking gene....
Post by: styx on July 14, 2017, 08:49:46 AM
It would be exciting to see them hunt big game but maybe the risk is too high.
I also want a large stone weir built. Parts of the West Coast still have ancient weirs/crustacean beds intact.
....10 minutes later.....
I did some Wikipedia reading.....
Weirs are pre-sapien technology. Hunting and Fishing is in our DNA.....right beside the armchair quarterbacking gene....
I thought the 103rd Chairborne was in between those two
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Post by: styx on July 16, 2017, 02:02:53 PM
To me it seemed like she was standing on the duck's neck for a while without doing much and only after that did she go for the decapitation.
So in regards to the show, it looked unnecessarily crude because it was at least portrayed sloppy.
Post by: LoopCutter on July 16, 2017, 02:50:10 PM
Do know they have a poor location for fishing.
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Post by: LoopCutter on July 16, 2017, 02:56:34 PM
~Yes, sloppy. Yet, she could have picked it up by the neck and twirled around, or picked up a rock and smashed its head flat.
So in regards to the show, it looked unnecessarily crude because it was at least portrayed sloppy.
She, I think took and easy method which took minimum effort (least calories)
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Post by: Aloha on July 16, 2017, 03:32:20 PM
~Yes, sloppy. Yet, she could have picked it up by the neck and twirled around, or picked up a rock and smashed its head flat.
So in regards to the show, it looked unnecessarily crude because it was at least portrayed sloppy.
She, I think took and easy method which took minimum effort (least calories)
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I've never dispatched a animal. I wondered why she didn't use her knife? I'm am glad they got a substantial meal.
Post by: styx on July 16, 2017, 03:45:12 PM
~Yes, sloppy. Yet, she could have picked it up by the neck and twirled around, or picked up a rock and smashed its head flat.
So in regards to the show, it looked unnecessarily crude because it was at least portrayed sloppy.
She, I think took and easy method which took minimum effort (least calories)
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I've never dispatched a animal. I wondered why she didn't use her knife? I'm am glad they got a substantial meal.
I thought she still used the knife after choking didn't do all that much
Post by: Aloha on July 16, 2017, 03:56:46 PM
Father and son did real well with fishing. I was happy to see them start off strong. Their shelter however in the clip appeared to have taken on some water.
The other brother team, the older and younger fellas have subsistence hunting experience. I sure hope they "settle" in and figure out how to go about a meal. I would like to see someone get larger game if at all possible. Last season we almost saw a fox being caught.
The husband and wife team have a terrific shelter. They appear to be quite capable separate so as a team quite effective so far.
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I tried looking for their gear lists but couldn't find anything.
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Supposedly it is because they were split up so knives didn't count towards the ten. Maybe there were some other items that didn't count as well
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 17, 2017, 01:33:13 PM
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I've never dispatched a animal. I wondered why she didn't use her knife? I'm am glad they got a substantial meal
I'm pretty sure she broke its neck when she stepped on it, that's why the bowels released.
One good reason for doing it that way is to avoid getting bitten......don't underestimate a "duck"
Post by: styx on July 17, 2017, 03:23:27 PM
QuoteI've never dispatched a animal. I wondered why she didn't use her knife? I'm am glad they got a substantial meal
I'm pretty sure she broke its neck when she stepped on it, that's why the bowels released.
One good reason for doing it that way is to avoid getting bitten......don't underestimate a "duck"
Geese are worse
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 18, 2017, 09:11:34 AM
Geese are worse
Ostrich aren't funny either.....
My father told us about a tame ostrich on the farm when they were kids, they used to hold out there thumbs and the bird would peck at the fingernail and then swallow the imaginary morsel of food.......which you can even see traveling down the throat :facepalm:
Extremely stupid birds.....
I recently had the opportunity to try it, it was bloody hilarious, but the part my dad left out is how much it hurts! :rofl:
I think one needs to be very careful of the sharp end of a seagull, for example.....
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Post by: LoopCutter on July 21, 2017, 05:21:21 AM
New episode plays tonight 10pm EST. "Thicker than Water", are they in for snow or mud?I think they left the "Blood" part out of the title, applied to a teams. Editing t a subject of course...
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Post by: Aloha on July 21, 2017, 07:25:55 AM
Is what they are really saying, they have in fact neglected their family and now they have come to realize it? Some are so somber when talking about missing their families. They go thru the conversation about the money and experience no longer meaning anything. Ok, I get the money part but the experience part is something I'm not understanding.
I am in no way knocking anyone who has tapped for missing their family. I'm just having a hard time understanding.
Post by: styx on July 21, 2017, 08:19:15 AM
I just have a hard time understanding "I miss my family" tap outs. Listen I get we miss our family but they had quite a bit of time knowing they were going to be on the show.
Is what they are really saying, they have in fact neglected their family and now they have come to realize it? Some are so somber when talking about missing their families. They go thru the conversation about the money and experience no longer meaning anything. Ok, I get the money part but the experience part is something I'm not understanding.
I am in no way knocking anyone who has tapped for missing their family. I'm just having a hard time understanding.
When I went for a month long internship in Bruxelles, I had 2 colleagues/roommates. I didn't feel the urge to contact my family and only reason why I did so twice was because my boss was nagging (we're distant relatives). My mother, when asked how we can be so distant and cold replied that she knows me, knows that I'll manage just fine pretty much anywhere and there was no need for drama.
Now my roommates weren't like that. E-mails, texts, calls, video chats were a daily thing. As were the tears and "I miss you so much" pleas. I still don't get it to be honest.
The thing is that we were about an hour by plane away, gone for a limited number of days and not in a dire straits situation. What I believe it came down to is the realization of our limitation in regards to sufficiency. People talk a big game until it is time to show up for the big game.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 21, 2017, 09:08:13 AM
The thing is that we were about an hour by plane away, gone for a limited number of days and not in a dire straits situation. What I believe it came down to is the realization of our limitation in regards to sufficiency. People talk a big game until it is time to show up for the big game.
:tu:
I had to grow up in about a day when I went to study.....another country, huge city, in a hostel with 300 strangers with all the 1st years getting the smurf hazed out of them for a few weeks.
Studies turned out to be a bust, but I value that experience to this day.
Even my Sunday morning hikes come without a safety net :facepalm:
Post by: LoopCutter on July 21, 2017, 12:13:29 PM
You must have your support system rooting for you or at least believe they are, to be successful.
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Post by: LoopCutter on July 21, 2017, 01:15:45 PM
This season adds the teammate's dedication, to the same goal, as a new dimension, I would not have considered a hindrance.
Add "," for clarity.
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Post by: Aloha on July 21, 2017, 03:35:30 PM
The brother that tapped had said when he missed his daughters birthday, that he was there without his wife's or daughters' support. May have left without a kiss or even a hug. That emotion and quilt can play very heavy on the heart.
You must have your support system rooting for you or at least believe they are, to be successful.
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Yes I can see this being something that weighed very heavy on him. What I also picked on was he said, he was now going to hug them more and love them more ( something to that effect ). Seemed like he was really focused on hanging with his brother with whom he didn't have much of a relationship with. I sure hope I am recalling their story correctly.
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Post by: Aloha on July 21, 2017, 04:00:29 PM
http://www.thetruthaboutknives.com/2016/04/the-knives-of-historys-alone-season-2/
http://www.thetruthaboutknives.com/2016/11/the-knives-of-historys-alone-season-3/
Post by: Aloha on July 21, 2017, 04:01:09 PM
Wow, that caught me by surprise.
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:think:
Post by: JP on July 21, 2017, 11:17:33 PM
Father and Son, Husband and Wife and two brothers?
Mentally, I think that they are all capable right now. It will really come down to nutrition and injury avoidance.
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Post by: styx on July 22, 2017, 08:49:19 AM
Post by: Aloha on July 22, 2017, 04:22:51 PM
The Husband and wife team are on a nice roll. The construction of their new shelter and continued success fishing should have them pulling ahead.
The 2 bothers has quite a feast with their luck fishing. The one brother isn't coping well with a staple of seaweed. This may pose a problem down the road. They have bickered just a bit but didn't seem to effect their working together.
I don't have a favorite tho early on I thought the team that tapped most recently would do good. Father and son seemed to be without bickering. Son's skills have began to show with gathering the sap and making those "cakes".
Post by: LoopCutter on July 22, 2017, 10:39:16 PM
Father and son had a flooding scare. They'll need to resolve that quickly. Dad seems to be quite the fisherman.The captioning referred to the higher tide being related to the Lunar tide a quarterly event at season marks (iirc), not certain of actual term, so if filmed last fall(2016), they should be good for the next 90 days. Unless, a real strong storm surge would be inbound.
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Post by: Aloha on July 22, 2017, 10:44:04 PM
I like this Father and Son team. Lets see if the lost axe plays a role at any point.
Post by: LoopCutter on July 22, 2017, 10:54:32 PM
Sam and Dad are doing well, Dad is providing fish and Sam more know how than I thought he could.
The brothers are just fun to watch their interaction. They are brothers, with compassion for each other, and knowledge to improve the camp life each day.
Husband and Brook are good as long as Brook can keep it going. Providing food and cooking duties. They compliment each other, but if she hits a wall her hubby may not have enough to carry her through.
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Post by: Aloha on July 22, 2017, 11:05:37 PM
Husband and wife team are really good together. I think sometimes husbands tend to hover a bit. She's a very capable woman and built a terrific shelter and sustained herself till he got there. She's knowledgeable and has a great attitude.
I want to see more of them and what they accomplish.
This all from my perspective.
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Post by: Aloha on July 24, 2017, 05:40:11 PM
Ok rant over.
Glad he appears to have not injured himself too badly. I would be bummed to have seen him go home over a cut.
Post by: styx on July 24, 2017, 07:53:44 PM
I'm not criticizing at all but gosh darn it really? I have worked in commercial kitchens and have not cut myself like they do. Sure I've gotten "bit" but when you calculate the amount of knife work I did and only a nick. I saw that cut happening a mile away. Sorry if I am sounding like a nag but c'mon people.
Ok rant over.
Glad he appears to have not injured himself too badly. I would be bummed to have seen him go home over a cut.
That is really appalling behavior, you'll corrupt gentle, never critical souls such as myself ;) :drink: :drink:
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 25, 2017, 10:12:36 AM
I'm not criticizing at all but gosh darn it really? I have worked in commercial kitchens and have not cut myself like they do. Sure I've gotten "bit" but when you calculate the amount of knife work I did and only a nick. I saw that cut happening a mile away. Sorry if I am sounding like a nag but c'mon people.
Ok rant over.
Glad he appears to have not injured himself too badly. I would be bummed to have seen him go home over a cut.
Did someone say Avocado hand? https://www.google.com.na/search?q=avocado+hand&oq=avocado+hand&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.10423j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
I'm with you :salute:
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Excited to see Alone tonight.Lucky you.
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Hotel I am in tonight does not have History Channel. Till tomorrow and catch on home DVr
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Post by: Aloha on July 29, 2017, 05:08:42 PM
What I cannot quite wrap my head around is why both brothers needed to be in the boat? Seemed like a waste of energies. One hunts and one gathers. One fished offshore while the other on shore. I know they later decided to do that which was a good but initially it was odd for them both to be in that boat.
The trot line could have been set from the boat.
I wonder why no one brought gill nets? I thought I recall the lady had one :think:
Post by: LoopCutter on July 29, 2017, 05:36:55 PM
~The brothers do have a gill net, he caught 5 fish first time he set and talk about setting out further when boat was under construction, when it failed to produce anymore with high tide.
The trot line could have been set from the boat.
I wonder why no one brought gill nets? I thought I recall the lady had one :think:
I am afraid the brothers are fading and will have tougher times ahead as their shelter is lacking protection and securing heat.
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Post by: Aloha on July 29, 2017, 09:42:25 PM
I was thinking they seriously have the worst shelter. Why its not enclosed is strange. They'll need some serious meals soon if they have any chance.
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 31, 2017, 10:02:01 AM
They're probably used to it, but it's definitely not productive........
Pride.......I hope the wife doesn't burn herself out.... :salute:
Post by: styx on July 31, 2017, 10:42:10 AM
And we can get reminded that a lot of it was cut out simply due to editing all of their footage to 45 minute episodes (about 45 minutes). Plus happy go lucky, everyone singing Kumbaya won't make for great television
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 31, 2017, 04:31:22 PM
Was this the most boring episode of the most boring season so far?
I do hope they revert to the old format and try other climates and locations.
Post by: JP on July 31, 2017, 10:35:33 PM
Heck, even if they take them off of the Vancouver Island the scenery will change a bit.
What about a ManTracker/Alone mashup?
Who can stay out of the reach of the Man Tracker the longest?
With ManTracker I figured he wouldn't have been able to catch any local teenagers. The kids would be too fit and have too much local knowledge. They would be able to run for the finish line both day and night.
Post by: LoopCutter on August 01, 2017, 01:33:13 AM
Opinions?I agree, the contestants are not the most entertaining group and they lack creativity with their videography.
Was this the most boring episode of the most boring season so far?
I do hope they revert to the old format and try other climates and locations.
I really do not think they are filming as much daily as previous contenders.
I haven't looked ahead at the programming schedule, but do not see this staying on much longer. We will have see which group can maintain food intake, when it stops I think they will tap quickly.
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Post by: styx on August 01, 2017, 07:51:28 AM
Show content
Ep. 8 - Flare-up
Ep. 9 - M brother's keeper
Ep. 9 - M brother's keeper
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Post by: styx on August 01, 2017, 08:10:20 PM
one father son team quit - the son was the one who pushed the button during day 2
and then there were the 2 brothers, one who pushed the button missed his family (perhaps I'm slightly simplifying it)
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Post by: LoopCutter on August 04, 2017, 03:37:21 PM
good bit of bickering thereBrothers will be brothers. Surprised Ted gathering is carrying Jim, he is spent, never recovered from the hike IMHO. Mental aspect is taking hold of all groups. How lonng
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 07, 2017, 02:50:41 PM
good bit of bickering there
I dare say it would be a bit worse if I was there..... :facepalm: hungry = unreasonable
Post by: styx on August 07, 2017, 03:24:43 PM
good bit of bickering there
I dare say it would be a bit worse if I was there..... :facepalm: hungry = unreasonable
Sure but you're productive. You'd probably grab one of your knives and go take on a bear. Or ride a bear and proclaim yourself a bear calvaryman
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 07, 2017, 04:54:01 PM
Correct! :salute:good bit of bickering there
I dare say it would be a bit worse if I was there..... :facepalm: hungry = unreasonable
:rofl:
"If you don't forage you don't eat........BROTHER" :rofl:
Sure but you're productive. You'd probably grab one of your knives and go take on a bear. Or ride a bear and proclaim yourself a bear calvaryman
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Post by: styx on August 11, 2017, 10:26:24 AM
I just hope the winners are not going to be toughing it like in season 2
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 11, 2017, 01:00:59 PM
20% is a lot.
I just hope the winners are not going to be toughing it like in season 2
20% weight loss?
Exactly what I need now........ :rofl:
Post by: LoopCutter on August 11, 2017, 02:11:59 PM
20% is a lot.From the show last night that is exactly what is going down.
I just hope the winners are not going to be toughing it like in season 2
They are no longer living, they are hoping from breath to breath that a miracle comes their way.
When it turns cold, food becomes more scarce. And no one appears to be getting enough.
Feel bad Ted as he is really suffering from an ailment, 4 days. Real will power not to TAP.
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Post by: styx on August 11, 2017, 03:43:06 PM
20% is a lot.
I just hope the winners are not going to be toughing it like in season 2
20% weight loss?
Exactly what I need now........ :rofl:
Well you and I might have some extra. Some of the people there didn't.
20% is a lot.From the show last night that is exactly what is going down.
I just hope the winners are not going to be toughing it like in season 2
They are no longer living, they are hoping from breath to breath that a miracle comes their way.
When it turns cold, food becomes more scarce. And no one appears to be getting enough.
Feel bad Ted as he is really suffering from an ailment, 4 days. Real will power not to TAP.
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Sad but true. That willpower is amazing but is it worth it to risk your health in the long run? Even more so since a good chunk of the prize money will go away on tax and from what I understand it is quite expensive to have health issues in the US
Post by: JP on August 17, 2017, 03:53:29 AM
Is there other food options that they are going for? Birds a la Fowler from Argentina? Why aren't they trying to lure a seagull? Bald Eagle?
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 17, 2017, 01:17:35 PM
I would think those waters are very rich in life, is this not so or are they mostly useless fisherpeoples?
Won't go into details here, but why not use unattended hand lines?
Why not catch a bird, even seagulls? If there's a restriction, just don't film it......
And then....
I've asked goooooogle but the answers seem to focus on eating disorders.....
I can't help but think ALL of them are very far away from permanent physical damage due to starvation....?
Post by: styx on August 17, 2017, 02:21:53 PM
As far as eating disorders go there is a point where chances of survival are horribly small.
When it comes to fishing, I'll be first to admit that I suck at it. But that would get me to use more lines just to compensate. Perhaps I should really start fishing and use a pole for a change (handline success is ok)
Post by: JP on August 18, 2017, 05:15:34 AM
If you have 25 fishing hooks I would have 25 different lines set 24/7.
No snare sets shown
No bird traps.
No big game hunting attempted/shown.
I also don't understand why they wouldn't clear cut a large chunk and begin processing firewood early on when they first arrive.
The folks looked strong and skilled though. Much video footage must be on the editors floor
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Post by: styx on August 18, 2017, 10:15:48 AM
Anyway, I remember Fowler recently mentioning how those triple hooks count as 3 individual hooks against your total. And that he would take several of those for static lines if he were to go again.
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Post by: LoopCutter on August 20, 2017, 04:23:34 PM
well not a fan of this season overall. oddly I've liked the odd season winners but not the even season winnersThe words had escaped me, as I can not recall season 2 winner at all. Was rooting for Pete and Sam.
I really enjoyed Brook's accomplishments. Maybe a all woman season 6.
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Post by: Aloha on August 20, 2017, 04:36:10 PM
I didn't think this season was great but maybe because the contestants weren't the best at filming? We were having a chat about how long before death anyone of the seasons contestants could last. I know some said they could last a year but I highly doubt it. The lack of food and damage to the body is too great.
Post by: styx on August 20, 2017, 07:31:42 PM
well not a fan of this season overall. oddly I've liked the odd season winners but not the even season winnersThe words had escaped me, as I can not recall season 2 winner at all. Was rooting for Pete and Sam.
I really enjoyed Brook's accomplishments. Maybe a all woman season 6.
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David McIntyre won season 2. Larry Roberts was the runner up
I'm all for an all female season if they can find women who know their stuff and not YT bikini "survival" experts. A lot of people tap out in the first few days (injured ones not counting towards this ofc)
Post by: LoopCutter on August 20, 2017, 08:50:13 PM
~I just don't remember much about their accomplishments to survive, except he was driven to win (out last) to provide a future for his 3 kids in Kentwood, MI with the money. A minister I recall
David McIntyre won season 2. Larry Roberts was the runner up
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I do recall the two ladies, one eliminated herself via distraction while splitting wood, the other was doing great, BUT, missed her family (boys)
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Post by: styx on August 20, 2017, 10:01:20 PM
Post by: JP on August 20, 2017, 11:37:22 PM
Why wouldn't they make a proper dugout canoe? They had everything on-hand that they would need.
Sooooo many questions
Post by: styx on August 21, 2017, 09:22:30 AM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 21, 2017, 03:03:20 PM
I hope they do a dry & hot environment next...... :gimme:
Post by: styx on August 21, 2017, 05:07:14 PM
Post by: Aloha on August 21, 2017, 05:49:09 PM
We've seen some choose the bow and arrows yet no success was had ( on camera ). Starvation after the culling of the initial 10 seems to be where the demise of contestants lies. They seem to battle the cold relatively well. The bothers shelter was crap in their own words. The first really young man ( season 1 ) slept in basically a tarp tent the whole show.
Food is the real killer in these situations. Sure the mind goes for some, injures accounted for some departures, and of course those not really ready to do battle left within a week.
Post by: styx on August 21, 2017, 10:08:43 PM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 22, 2017, 08:54:33 AM
Australian Outback?
African Bushveld?
Post by: styx on August 22, 2017, 03:17:16 PM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 22, 2017, 04:14:54 PM
When you are equipped, those nasties can become snacks >:D
Logistics taken into account, what dry area in North America could be used?
Post by: LoopCutter on August 22, 2017, 04:18:36 PM
~Death Valley, any where in Southern California.
Logistics taken into account, what dry area in North America could be used?
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Post by: Aloha on August 22, 2017, 04:48:13 PM
~Death Valley, any where in Southern California.
Logistics taken into account, what dry area in North America could be used?
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With the lack of rainfall SoCal deserts would be very challenging. Anza-Borrego comes to mind. I'm sure there are some places in Arizona that would qualify as dry ;).
Post by: JP on August 28, 2017, 04:40:17 AM
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 28, 2017, 03:52:53 PM
:rofl:
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Anza-Borrego Desert State Park is the largest state park in California. Five hundred miles of dirt roads, 12 wilderness areas and many miles of hiking trails ...
Nope.......not remote enough by the looks of it.
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Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia have desert landscapes
Actually surprised to hear that :think:
Post by: styx on August 28, 2017, 04:50:18 PM
Post by: styx on June 08, 2018, 02:42:12 PM
Post by: Aloha on June 08, 2018, 03:11:39 PM
Post by: LoopCutter on June 08, 2018, 04:22:41 PM
Mongolia will offer the harshest weather extremes if there in fall and early winter months, yet most likely the most balanced landscape with wildlife and vegetation.
Filming, support and emergency logistics will be very challenging for production as Mongolia is remote.
I am looking forward to see how these returning participants will perform and use the experiences learned on prior seasons. Should be very good for editing options and be very educational and entertaining for us arm chair survivor critics.
Post by: styx on June 08, 2018, 05:34:50 PM
I for one am a bit surprised that they didn't get (be it manage to or even contact) Jose who was third on season 2 and had some really interesting solutions
Post by: LoopCutter on June 08, 2018, 08:08:03 PM
I'm wondering if they will come out with how the participants were chosen. we've got 4 runners up from previous seasons, Sam being the only person from season 1.There are several variables we will likely not know. All are Americans, maybe associated to visa approvals to get staff into Mongolia. Jose IIRC lived in Canada, but held a Spanish citizenship.
I for one am a bit surprised that they didn't get (be it manage to or even contact) Jose who was third on season 2 and had some really interesting solutions
The 4 hikers, never had a chance to participate do to their partners tapping out.
Two were removed by medical, for the safety of them.
Others I believe tapped because of family pulls in their minds, of course a baby on the way in season 1, put him in the hole before starting season 1.
Just my thoughts...
Post by: styx on June 08, 2018, 09:14:15 PM
I'm wondering if they will come out with how the participants were chosen. we've got 4 runners up from previous seasons, Sam being the only person from season 1.There are several variables we will likely not know. All are Americans, maybe associated to visa approvals to get staff into Mongolia. Jose IIRC lived in Canada, but held a Spanish citizenship.
I for one am a bit surprised that they didn't get (be it manage to or even contact) Jose who was third on season 2 and had some really interesting solutions
The 4 hikers, never had a chance to participate do to their partners tapping out.
Two were removed by medical, for the safety of them.
Others I believe tapped because of family pulls in their minds, of course a baby on the way in season 1, put him in the hole before starting season 1.
Just my thoughts...
Oh you're not wrong. I'm just curious as to how they approached their selection process
Post by: LoopCutter on June 09, 2018, 03:17:39 PM
Last season with the team concept, each member had a knife, and then ten items total by the team. This year the knife is part the ten item selection.
Interesting selections by them, differences regarding, pan with lid or a POT for cooking, saw and/or axe, knife and/or MT.
All were consistent, a sleeping bag, rated -20 degree F or colder.
Shelter appears to be the most crucial item to establish at camp this season. Fire, water, and food.
Post by: styx on June 09, 2018, 05:05:52 PM
info on the knives and tools (you can check out the comments to see what the contestants said)
http://www.thetruthaboutknives.com/2018/05/the-knives-of-historys-alone-season-5/
Post by: styx on June 09, 2018, 10:33:02 PM
Post by: styx on June 09, 2018, 10:57:32 PM
sleeping bag - 10
knife - 8
saw - 9
ferro rod - 10
fishing line and hooks -9
trapping wire - 8
axe - 6
emergency rations #1 - 9
emergency rations #2 - 2
2 quart pot - 8
canteen - 2
paracord - 4
bow and arrows - 7
gill net - 2
multitool - 4
1,5 quart pot - 1 (it looks like the lid is a frying pan)
frying pan - 1
Post by: LoopCutter on June 10, 2018, 04:43:09 PM
Post by: styx on June 10, 2018, 04:54:26 PM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 11, 2018, 09:22:11 AM
Well done, I think they pulled the show back from the brink, back to ALONE and I think a brilliant move to bring in experienced people.
........I hope that means more episodes! :rofl:
:like:
Post by: styx on June 11, 2018, 04:03:26 PM
if y'all don't want to go through the process of looking for the issue, in a youtube video about the items taken Larry said that the handle swole up due to the moisture and taking the saw apart and putting it back together would have been insanely difficult so he just left it put together
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 12, 2018, 12:00:34 PM
Post by: styx on June 12, 2018, 03:31:47 PM
Post by: LoopCutter on June 12, 2018, 06:33:28 PM
I wonder if they were told to take bows..... :think:Bows and a quiver with a set number of arrows apparently was on the "10 Item List". Also, with the different terrain, wildlife in a variety of sizes are to be more available and may even be accessible. Yet from the orientation show, fishing and trapping (snares) might be the best option for protein.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 13, 2018, 08:04:07 AM
The I thought of a slingbow........that would be my choice! :gimme:
I would have a chance of hitting something and it would be a viable defense inside a shelter.
Post by: styx on June 13, 2018, 08:31:48 AM
Post by: Aloha on June 13, 2018, 04:25:38 PM
Britt at 42 lasted 35 days. I thought he did well in his time out. I'm sure he comes into this adventure stronger and evermore capable.
Niclole at 48 lasted 57 days. What can I say about her, she knows her stuff. If I recall she tapped only cause she missed her children. She's going to be tough as nails with her strong skill set and knowledge.
Jesse at 32, has not been tested on Alone. Unfortunately his brother suffered a fall so they had to tap out. He's a retired Green Beret so we know he's tough. I'm really excited to see how he does.
Randy at 31 lasted 21 days. Randy lost his ferro rod last time which really sucked. I can't wait to see how lessons learned from his past experience on the show benefit him. He teaches this stuff so he has the skill and knowledge. I enjoyed watching him last time.
Carleigh at 30 lasted 86 days. Seriously this woman is a beast ( meant with all due respect ). I really enjoyed watching her. I really hope we see a woman win this season and she has a real shot. She said herself that she didn't hit her wall last time out. I really think she was willing to leave everything out there. She's tough as nails and has the skill to back it up plus the experience.
Sam at 25 lasted 55 days. Sam has a terrific personality. Who can forget him howling with the wolves. That was the best. His shelter was not the best yet he seemed to get along fine. I sure hope we get to see everything he has to offer out there. I think he's a tough guy and should do very well.
Dave lasted 73 days. If he hadn't rationed his food as he did last time on, who knows what the outcome would have been. He's got skill and since the last show he's probably got quite the plan for success. I like his attitude a lot. He's a real contender IMO.
Brad at 24 was not tested yet on Alone. I remember the look on his face when the producers told him his brother tapped. This guy is ready and has been since his episode. I can't wait to see how he does.
Larry at 47 lasted 64 days. Larry has seen his limit. I really feel he can push past that point and make a run to the end. At 64 days out he was one heck of a contestant. I'm sure we'll get a lot of bleeping and rants which I thought was good entertainment.
Brooke at 46 lasted 49 day with husband. She was part of a team but no less awesome in her own right. Having to be out solo this time will be interesting to watch. She has a strong skill set and knowledge. I am excited to see her compete this season.
I got all ages and survival days from Alone site.
Post by: styx on June 13, 2018, 10:18:54 PM
Post by: Aloha on June 14, 2018, 12:29:34 AM
Post by: LoopCutter on June 14, 2018, 03:26:23 AM
episode 1 airs tomorrow. the special had a low viewership (under a million)I found it only because I DVR "Swamp People" and saw the listing, as far as I remeber only the actual show starting 6/14 was promoted, not the special introduction show. The likely million viewers were either lucky or part of History's email list.
Post by: styx on June 14, 2018, 08:03:35 AM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 14, 2018, 09:31:02 AM
I'm sure many of us play out how we'd perform in the scenarios captured. Its a fun exercise while I sit at home warm usually eating a meal :facepalm:.
I've experienced some of the psychology involved on our hikes, while we had food and a known start and end......this is so much more and I find it fascinating.
Randy is the prime example, what he said about how he felt after getting home......
I hiked 60km+ starting with 28Kg on my back, and I feel like a failure because we cut out 2 days and 30Km.........it was great being home, showered, warm and comfortable, but I still feel exactly like Randy does.
It's SO easy to justify tapping out...... :salute:
Post by: styx on June 16, 2018, 11:24:55 AM
i do wonder if they offer a psychologist at any point because the emotional and mental toll seems really high. maybe even more so this season when everybody wants redemption for their perceived failures
Post by: LoopCutter on June 16, 2018, 04:11:56 PM
Nicole's sons promised not to need her, which indicated they likely laid some quilt on her before her first attempt.
Sam/s wife seem supportive, yet he is guilty yet of leaving them in his mind. He wants the prize, he needs the prize in his mind to secure their future.
A multitool if selected, could have changed the outcome for Carleigh. I really felt her pain dealing with that fish hook.
Wolf track was large, could be a factor in this season.
Nicole did mention, that deer where protected, cannot trap, only take via box & arrow.
Bot as much timber as I expected. Shelter or fire?
Post by: Aloha on June 16, 2018, 05:20:22 PM
I am convinced now that a MT is proper gear for any outdoor activities.
I also wonder if any after show therapy is offered? LC you absolutely nailed it. This season has a lot riding on each person, all self imposed IMO. The don't have anything to prove. They all did really well IMO. I'm sure the would've, could've, should've thoughts they wrestled with at home must have been rough. Replaying how they would have better taken advantage instead of tapping. How they could have pushed just a little further. How they should have fought past the voices telling them to go home. Carleigh and Dave are the exception as are the two hikers who's camper companions were injured and tapped, resulting in their time being over.
Most seemed to succumb to the emotional aspect. Again the exceptions mentioned above. What I thought was interesting was Carleigh saying she hadn't hit her wall in any regard. She even thought physically she had more in the tank.
Post by: styx on June 16, 2018, 06:29:06 PM
The emotional factor will be interesting to see this season
Post by: Aloha on June 16, 2018, 11:32:41 PM
I do believe the fact they have faced their emotional walls already will be very interesting to watch. You'd think having experienced your emotional wall you'd be better equipped but thats not always the case. Especially when they're all striving for redemption.
Post by: styx on June 17, 2018, 11:13:36 AM
Post by: Aloha on June 17, 2018, 03:17:02 PM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 21, 2018, 08:53:49 AM
I think that time messed with them.....time to think.
To be honest, with only 10 items I'd be hard pressed to choose a multi tool. :facepalm:
We'll see next episode, but I think where Carleigh made the mistake was not ripping out that hook immediately...get it in position, push down to (hopefully) unseat the barb and yank it out.
.....I had to do that when I was 10. :salute:
Post by: LoopCutter on June 21, 2018, 02:30:07 PM
regarding Carliegh, it was her thought that the hook barb had penetrated a tendon and could not be forced back out, as her thumb would move involuntarily when she attempted to dislodge. She thought the only to remove would be to cut the end and force it forward.
It was her strong hand, and doing what she had to reduce infection and continue for 24 hours was a testament to her determination to stay.
Wolves appear to me more curious this season.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 22, 2018, 09:38:44 AM
regarding Carliegh, it was her thought that the hook barb had penetrated a tendon and could not be forced back out, as her thumb would move involuntarily when she attempted to dislodge. She thought the only to remove would be to cut the end and force it forward.
Noted, but it's not a very big hook, the barb is less that 0.5mm at a guess....
After taking up fly fishing I had to remove hooks several times, saw the "push through and cut off the eye" advice many times, but I believe that's only relevant for bigger hooks like those use in salsmurfer, and in my case 5/0 and 6/0 monsters we chucked at Tigerfish.
Consensus for removing smaller hooks was looping thread through the bend of the hook, push down on the shank to disengage the barb (hopefully) and yank on the rope. Generally a 2-man operation, but she could've done that.........alone :whistle:
Post by: styx on June 22, 2018, 10:41:48 AM
(https://www.unbelievable-facts.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/goliath-tigerfish-1.jpg)
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 22, 2018, 11:25:17 AM
Yes, I worked at a lodge called Impalila Island lodge on the Zambezi river....still exists but under a new name.
PB is a 5.5kg caught during what is sarcastically called the "evening rise".
A strong and very violent fish 8)
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 22, 2018, 12:16:31 PM
There are guides that put together package deals that visit several lodges, and we had a British group once that were a lot of fun.
The tour leader was a large jolly old gentleman, the other guide was a middle-aged fish bum. :cheers:
He got to the lodge one day with his favourite fly stuck in the soft flesh between the thumb and index finger......8/0 Gamakatsu with some silver mylar (xmas tinsel) tied to it.
He had to do a push-through, so he got nice and drunk first :drink:
:rofl:
Post by: styx on June 22, 2018, 01:53:01 PM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 22, 2018, 02:07:26 PM
Best eating fish in the Zambezi is the Nembwe: https://www.google.com.na/search?q=nembwe&rlz=1C1EJFA_enNA793NA793&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiGl9DvnefbAhWFOhQKHXT3CHoQsAQIJA&biw=1918&bih=974
Post by: styx on June 22, 2018, 04:25:26 PM
Post by: LoopCutter on June 22, 2018, 07:27:40 PM
looks tasty. speaking off, seems that was exactly the reason for another one going homeHe just gave up.
How do you snare food, without bait, not placing on trails. If fishing and no bites you move your spot. None of this was done by him. A hiker not tested, given a second chance just gives up... Very disappointed.
Post by: styx on June 22, 2018, 07:49:55 PM
Post by: Aloha on June 23, 2018, 05:44:46 PM
Britt seems to be in quite high spirits. I appreciate his enthusiasm. Leaving those fish had me cringing. I was bummed when he awoke the next day to find them missing.
Dave is a trip. His personality is fun and optimistic. He was a fishing machine before and I thought he be fly fishing the heck out of that water. He's a beast so I foresee him grinding it out.
Post by: LoopCutter on June 23, 2018, 06:54:06 PM
Dave is a contender, Larry is entertaining, with highs and lows. Nicole appears to be having MS issues per teaser for next segment.
Even my wife is enjoying this season, I DVR and she watches on Friday evening so I enjoy twice.
Post by: Aloha on June 24, 2018, 01:43:47 PM
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Post by: styx on June 25, 2018, 12:49:51 PM
Post by: LoopCutter on June 25, 2018, 02:15:09 PM
Well, if I had those juicy grasshoppers all around I certainly wouldn't go hungry......pity the dude doesn't know how to prepare them :think:Do you have a proper recipe?, Please share!
I would suspect that different regions of the world have their delicacies, in the states, our grasshoppers are smaller, and have seen prepared, baked and then coated in chocolate. I know not a survivor option! :facepalm:
The size and number of grasshoppers in Mongolia could sustain one for a while, until the freeze sets in :whistle:
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 25, 2018, 03:40:34 PM
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Do you have a proper recipe?, Please share!No so much a recipe......no sure where I saw it, Survivorman maybe......but the trick is grab the head, twist and pull. That removes the digestive tract and hopefully anything that could make you sick.
>:D I have video of the preparation and consumption. :cheers:
I've not had one that tastes bad.....mostly popcorn'ish, termites taste great, haven't tried much else. :salute:
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 26, 2018, 02:52:52 PM
Taste test: https://youtu.be/09h4BibSfg0
Post by: Aloha on June 26, 2018, 03:22:33 PM
Hunger messes with the mind. We've seen and heard over the seasons how true it is. Loneliness for which the show is aptly named, Alone. Even those who feel they are happier not around people are never truly alone. We as humans are social, some more so than others but a social being. Add hunger to loneliness plus the SAT phone which you know will end it all and you have a powerful OUT.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 26, 2018, 03:32:39 PM
The flat I was renting when those videos were taken in right on the outskirts of town, and due to the general state of my life I was very much thinking about walking into the bush with my BOB..... :facepalm:
Thing is I was walking the dog in the beginnings of that bush, and if you look around and think about where and what food is available, the answer is simply: not a lot.....bugs can't be ignored.
You mention having the sat phone.......I think having the option to tap out makes the whole thing ever harder. The situation might be easier if not more survivable if you have no choice.
Post by: styx on June 26, 2018, 10:09:47 PM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 28, 2018, 09:44:04 AM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 28, 2018, 02:18:46 PM
:cry: because I'm not likely to experience that again.
Post by: styx on June 30, 2018, 10:00:40 PM
Post by: LoopCutter on July 01, 2018, 05:24:22 PM
My niece is a victim of MS, good days and bad. Nicole did not want to go, yet two have fallen victim to circumstances where best option was to tap. :whistle:
Others are doing good, (by editing), even Sam caught a very small bird, yet bigger than a mouse. :gimme:
Shelters will need to be rigid and able to have fire hearth inside to survive the fast approaching cold weather, along with food. Surprised that not any smokers have been constructed so fish or other meats can be stored for longer period.
I does appear that wood will be difficult to gather without spending calories :think:
Post by: styx on July 02, 2018, 07:15:50 AM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 02, 2018, 09:27:03 AM
Post by: Aloha on July 08, 2018, 07:35:24 AM
I cannot believe that dude lost that fish. His morale seriously took a hit too. It at least appeared that way.
Over all the episode was uneventful but I do like to see the daily struggle. Dave is again doing well with protein. That cabin looks to be quite secure. He's certainly learned from all the episodes.
Post by: styx on July 08, 2018, 09:57:00 AM
Post by: LoopCutter on July 08, 2018, 05:55:41 PM
Brook's fire place, now with chimney and air feed is set, Her LM tool sheath looks more like a Super Tool instead of a Rebar as reported.
Britt spent 2 arrows attempting to shoot the deer?, and yes his attitude continues driving him forward.
Jesse dropping the fish was a bummer, yet mentally I know he is tougher than the edit showed. (I hope)
You gotta cheer for Larry as he continues to succeed, accept i thought attempting for a 2nd fish would be a better move after successfully catching one.
Dave does well with the bow, a red squirrel is a small target. (not much larger than a chipmunk.)
This episode revealed more of the shelter developments, some have work to do for surviving the cold, Randy's is livable along with the added fire place and chimney is very good start.
Post by: Alan K. on July 08, 2018, 11:40:00 PM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 09, 2018, 09:45:38 AM
No update on Sam this episode. So far 1 small bird for protien,
Now you mention it...... :think:
Post by: Aloha on July 09, 2018, 03:29:44 PM
I thought using the inner threads of the paracord to turn the bow into a fishing bow with recoverable arrow was a brilliant idea. :tu:
It was a good idea, too bad he missed the deer.
Post by: Aloha on July 09, 2018, 03:34:54 PM
Their shelters will all need attention in some way. They know winter will be very cold and they all got a taste of the wind and rain.
Post by: styx on July 09, 2018, 06:27:09 PM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 10, 2018, 12:54:08 PM
I wonder if they have the right gear, clothes and shoes etc, for when Winter really arrives.
Another thing......what's with the headlamps? :think: I would consider that an item......
Post by: LoopCutter on July 10, 2018, 01:55:07 PM
Since the headlamps are powered by rechargables or battery, suspect part of camera gear assigned so they can film at night correctly.
Another thing......what's with the headlamps? :think: I would consider that an item......
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 10, 2018, 02:25:56 PM
Since the headlamps are powered by rechargables or battery, suspect part of camera gear assigned so they can film at night correctly.
Another thing......what's with the headlamps? :think: I would consider that an item......
I figured as much but that's cheating........headlamp makes a huge difference if you've got a predator outside your shelter..... :think:
Post by: Alan K. on July 10, 2018, 11:29:13 PM
So would a shotgun, but they're not allowed to bring one of those. Speaking of defense against predators I wonder why no one has made a spear yet.Since the headlamps are powered by rechargables or battery, suspect part of camera gear assigned so they can film at night correctly.
Another thing......what's with the headlamps? :think: I would consider that an item......
I figured as much but that's cheating........headlamp makes a huge difference if you've got a predator outside your shelter..... :think:
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 11, 2018, 07:55:21 AM
Started watching Naked & Afraid XL season 4.....
Very real except that somebody's within hailing distance....with cameras.
The hardship is real however, walking barefoot is bad enough!
I'm sure the people keeping watch are armed, but to have lion and hyena that close...trying to breach the shelters.
[ Speaking of defense against predators I wonder why no one has made a spear yet.
Walking stick/spear combo would be one of the first things I make....
Post by: Aloha on July 13, 2018, 07:16:39 AM
Good to see Dave as successfull as he's been. He's a good guy not wanting to hurt those animals. I totally got what he was saying and how he was feeling. He's taking some great shots and hitting the target. I hope the next kill is quick so he can feel better.
Brooke. She was such a good fisherwoman with her husband. Not sure whats going on with her. She's got to get into gear soon the season is changing. Come on Brooke, I want to see you pull fish out like you did before.
Sam. This young mans attitude is so refreshing. He's got quite a shelter going on. Glad to see he's not going to try to wing it with a tarp shelter.
Jesse. Well darn. I really felt like he was checking out emotionally from last episode. That darn fish getting away was a total let down. Resorting to eating the pine tree was desperate even from his view.
Britts attitude continues to be so great. Catching all those fish was wonderful to see. Go Britt. His shetler looks great too. Freaking bears are close to camp tho. I'd like to see him work other food resources and be successful. I'm sure he would too. He has such a great attitude.
Larry. Dude is hilarious. He's a real character. Man I was scared when he hit the deck. Glad he wasn't hurt and recovered quickly. I'm also glad he recognized what may have been going on. Now he can make the needed adjustments. I do wish he'd fish more after the initial catch. I know he's anxious to eat.
Good episode. I did miss the dude with the log cabin. I always forget his name.
Post by: LoopCutter on July 13, 2018, 02:35:52 PM
Good episode. I did miss the dude with the log cabin. I always forget his name.Randy
Editor may want us to think Brook is getting by!
Jesse gave up on fishing to quick.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 23, 2018, 09:10:11 AM
I don't know how one guy can figure out the fishing and the others struggle, the river seems to be full of trout and grayling, classic targets for fly fishing.........and "fly" fishing is exactly what's working....
Post by: styx on July 23, 2018, 10:32:03 AM
I was surprised to see the last one go. And ofc Larry is having a fight with mice
Also...
(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/600/0*CuIufkUeRUCb3bs_.)
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 23, 2018, 12:41:14 PM
US and EU........difficult to believe an outdoorsy person doesn't even know the concept :think:
Anyway.......funny to see that the guy catching enough fish craves meat anyway......more likely fat?
Dave......I think it was the previous episode, but when he started crying about the squirrel I found that a bit much.......
I don't understand how you can be that hungry and still come up with BS like that, I would assume that's when survival mode kicks in and BS goes out the window....
Post by: styx on July 23, 2018, 01:09:17 PM
we have a saying here that basically says that fish isn't real meat. so it could be that he is used to more red meat
Post by: LoopCutter on July 23, 2018, 02:25:44 PM
I thought Larry might tap due to his mice population he is hosting, yet there is a source of meat(!).
Sam has not been featured, yet the snippets would show he is struggling.
Britt and Randy's attitudes are good and shelter's are adequate. Both smoking fish.
Dave's break down over the squirrel I thought was because it did not die on first shot, and it suffered, which I thought was strange, then he did it again shooting a grouse, yet set there and watched a mouse walk into the trap be killed. Come up you are trying to survive, I quess the editors luv it.
Done to five, able guys, just depends on what nature provides for them and maybe location, location and location is the true key to success.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 23, 2018, 02:30:37 PM
For the best part of my life A River Runs Through It was my only exposure to fly fishing, there was no internet, no magazines on the subject. We drowned worms under floats but that's it.....
we have a saying here that basically says that fish isn't real meat.
We don't say it we just believe it :salute:
I like seafood more than fish in general, even if I'm in the mood for fish I have a mental block against ordering it in a restaurant.
Post by: styx on July 23, 2018, 03:23:51 PM
It is very frustrating to watch a contestant exit because of the loneliness and color of the tarp. She did indicate that she was starving, indicating she was not gathering any fish or protein via her bow, yet her filming that was shared did not indicate she was trying that much.
I thought Larry might tap due to his mice population he is hosting, yet there is a source of meat(!).
Sam has not been featured, yet the snippets would show he is struggling.
Britt and Randy's attitudes are good and shelter's are adequate. Both smoking fish.
Dave's break down over the squirrel I thought was because it did not die on first shot, and it suffered, which I thought was strange, then he did it again shooting a grouse, yet set there and watched a mouse walk into the trap be killed. Come up you are trying to survive, I quess the editors luv it.
Done to five, able guys, just depends on what nature provides for them and maybe location, location and location is the true key to success.
could be the editing. but if you're hungry, tired, it isn't hard to imagine smaller things pushing us over the edge
when it comes to Sam, I got no idea. he struggled in season 1, broke down a few times and still had a good run.
breaking down over an energy source, well i sort of get it but also don't. i'm not heartless but things like that don't bother me. to be fair squirrels and grouse are a lot cuter than mice
Post by: Aloha on July 23, 2018, 03:34:52 PM
Randys shelter is more of a home. Quite impressive. He seems to be doing well and has a much different attitude this time. Its great to see him doing well at this point.
Larry, man this guy is a crack up. Those darn mice again :rofl:. He has got to try not to let them get into his head, although seems last time its what drove him. Find a way to trap them and eat them. He's seriously a trip.
Dave is quite a shot with that bow. He reminds me of Matt Graham. He has no hesitation to hunt he just wants a clean kill. I understand that. I respect that. Honestly, I admire it. Having a moment when you shot an animal yet not killed it straight away is not a big deal. Him setting up that mouse trap in his shelter was awesome to see. He has a nice little meal with very little effort. Larry should do the same thing.
The snippet we saw of Sam showed him struggling with food. I hope he figures it out soon. I'd love to know what he's doing to get food. -
Post by: styx on July 28, 2018, 11:26:00 AM
Post by: Aloha on July 28, 2018, 03:57:04 PM
Britt is chugging along. I sure hope he continues to hang in there. His attitude is really noticeably more positive this go around.
Larry and those mice :rofl:. Larry and the wind :rofl:.
Randys shelter is really something. His idea for smoking fish is neat. He's in a nice groove and I do hope he continues.
Dave not wanting to hurt the animals is understandable. I hope he gets a deer. That would be a game changer for sure.
Post by: styx on July 28, 2018, 05:01:56 PM
Post by: LoopCutter on July 29, 2018, 03:32:52 AM
Britt will be in trouble if it colder and fish no longer bite, or he can not gather bait (grasshoppers).
Sam does not appear to be thinking of proper solutions for proper results. The gill net required 10 pound rocks to hold in place. A throw net about 20' across may help if he waited out into the river and tossed into a edy.
If Larry can kill a deer, that would be awesome, his newly made spear thrower looks neat, (can not remember what it is called at the moment)
Randy appears to have it together, if he stays in the moments mentally, he could outlast awl.
Post by: styx on July 29, 2018, 08:28:46 AM
Post by: LoopCutter on July 29, 2018, 09:00:06 PM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 01, 2018, 11:48:17 AM
^ Yep, that is the name of the tool he carved, Atlatl. I do not recall ever seeing one before, let ALONE, hearing of one. :like: :whistle:
Matt Graham that was in the later season of Dual Survival uses it a lot, something I still want to try, but we don't have obliging plants/trees here.
I was expecting a bit more from this season, if I can be perfectly honest I'm finding one of my favourite shows boring :think:
Post by: styx on August 01, 2018, 12:12:45 PM
Post by: Aloha on August 01, 2018, 05:27:11 PM
Post by: LoopCutter on August 01, 2018, 10:30:26 PM
Now, I find it interesting that with river having fish, most are able to catch what they need to minimize hunger. See a bird, oh! drop it with my bow and arrow. Doing the self video, we miss the actual action, so yes boring. Yet interesting as to who is having current success, and that what works for one, does not for another.
I founds Dave's commit regarding, he who does not have a fire IN the shelter is missing out, like he knows of Larry's campsite (?), or Sam's. Brett and Randy both have inside fire pits.
Cod weather, freezing nights and days plus snow will turn up the intensity for the last 5 for sure.
PS: I love the fall colors and scenery shown by the high cameras or drones.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 02, 2018, 09:22:46 AM
PS: I love the fall colors and scenery shown by the high cameras or drones.
:cheers: Same here, something we sadly don't have much of here.
I was thinking about my perception of what's going on, and my conclusion is the environment is not throwing up enough challenges.......is Mongolia too easy?
Post by: styx on August 02, 2018, 09:26:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyjJjOU7S_M
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Post by: LoopCutter on August 06, 2018, 02:14:20 PM
Sam also has had to suffered weight lost, yet wears that bulky sweater so hard to tell.
Larry is Larry, yet he needs to find himself a good point between his high highs and his low lows.
Britt is pretty stable, yet expressed concerns since fish production has decreased.
Randy departure for lack of social interaction was disappointing, he had what appeared to be the most ridged shelter and had the skills at bush craft, not food gathering.
Want to see Dave get his deer!!!, yet suspect his camera gear could be a distraction. Just show the results not the gathering.
Two episodes remaining...
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 06, 2018, 02:37:15 PM
Randy showed very little weight loss when he filmed taking the dip in the chilly waters.
Yes, him specifically.....very disappointing that he left
Post by: Aloha on August 06, 2018, 02:54:07 PM
According to the caption Dave has lost quite a bit more at this point than he did his last time on. I know getting a deer would be a huge game changer so I really hoping he gets one.
Larry is a riot. His mood swings are interesting to watch. I wonder if this is who he is in day to day life? Neat to hear his trap go off while he was filming.
Sam doesnt seem to be trying much to procure food from what shown of him. His shelter is also pretty meager tho a lot better than his previous. Does this guy just not get cold?
Britts attitude is so different that his last time on. He's doing well. They are all going to suffer to some degree but he seems to be strong mentally and emotionally right now. Glad he got that fish.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 07, 2018, 02:11:14 PM
According to the caption Dave has lost quite a bit more at this point than he did his last time on. I know getting a deer would be a huge game changer so I really hoping he gets one.
You're right, I was generalizing
Larry is a riot. His mood swings are interesting to watch. I wonder if this is who he is in day to day life? Neat to hear his trap go off while he was filming.
I have to believe it's the diet and circumstances, anybody that volatile would need to own the company to work there :rofl:
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 07, 2018, 02:13:30 PM
I would still watch Season 6, but if it's not considerably better I would definitely not look forward to the next one. :think:
I think they need a complete change of scenery, somewhere dry....... >:D Too dangerous?
Post by: Alan K. on August 10, 2018, 08:18:11 PM
Post by: styx on August 10, 2018, 09:00:48 PM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 13, 2018, 08:54:47 AM
There's only 3 challengers left, so this season in Mongolia is a lot harder than previous seasons in other locations.
It would seem so, but I feel they haven't shown us why.......?
Did kelp and seafood make that much difference?
:think:
Post by: LoopCutter on August 13, 2018, 02:29:06 PM
Of the three remaining two were runner ups.There's only 3 challengers left, so this season in Mongolia is a lot harder than previous seasons in other locations.
It would seem so, but I feel they haven't shown us why.......?
Did kelp and seafood make that much difference?
:think:
Yes, I do believe the kelp and seafood makes a difference. As long as you continued to gather and prepare correctly.
This season is different as the contestants have already pushed their bodies to the limits in previous seasons. Dave refused to go there again. Sam appears good at conserving energy, has not appeared to push himself much gathering food, or building shelter.
Larry is not taking in much either, so surprised me when he took the hike to and up the hill looking for food. Yet, mentally he was more stable via the editing shared.
Britt is pretty constant, did learn that there is at least one more fish in the river, but loosing is rig with three hooks shook him up. yet clever idea to make a lure when grasshoppers have vanished.
The sea does seem to bring in fresh food daily, if you are located correctly along the shore. When I met David McIntrye the winner of season 2, he indicated that the last several days he was eating a regular diet of crab he was catching which I do not recall being included in the editing. He said that he felt he was gaining weight and could have gone longer if needed.
In this season, the final three have already shifted to energy conservation due to lack of food sources. Out last is the strategy it appears, and who is best will claim the price.
Post by: Aloha on August 13, 2018, 02:55:19 PM
This place appears to be a lot tougher as winter approaches. Certainly past experiences play a role in how each deal with the struggle.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 14, 2018, 11:48:11 AM
Bummer Britt lost the fish and the hooks.
I suspected the fish are further down in the water column, his weighted lure seems to confirm that.
Just don't know why he used multiple hooks....... :think:
At this stage my money is on Britt, my heart is with Sam. :cheers:
Post by: LoopCutter on August 14, 2018, 02:33:51 PM
At this stage my money is on Britt, my heart is with Sam. :cheers:
Agreed, :like: both ,mentioned earlier, they were there as long as needed with approval of their wives. :salute:
Post by: Aloha on August 14, 2018, 02:36:02 PM
At this stage my money is on Britt, my heart is with Sam. :cheers:
Agreed, :like: both ,mentioned earlier, they were there as long as needed with approval of their wives. :salute:
I'm with you fellas.
Post by: Alan K. on August 16, 2018, 06:38:45 AM
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Post by: Aloha on August 20, 2018, 02:33:38 PM
Mongolia was quite beautiful as the snow began to fall and cover everything.
Post by: LoopCutter on August 20, 2018, 11:15:03 PM
Sam was having issues vacating his waste. Once he announce the problem was resolved, I felt he was the one to beat as he continued to demonstrate his resilience and keep his mind and hands busy, including snow shoes for when the snow got deeper. He was not exiting soon as he continued to look for ways to beat the weather. Unfortunately he did not have success gathering fish or larger (than mice) animals. His drop trapped appeared effective, but did not appear along a travel path or had bait and funnel to force his intended targets to be caught. It was strange yet effective strategy. I even questioned his item selections.
I really did enjoy his comment after learning he won and greeted his wife, - " Which one of you guys have food?" repeating the question to each person present. :gimme: :tu:
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 22, 2018, 12:34:13 PM
I really did enjoy his comment after learning he won and greeted his wife, - " Which one of you guys have food?" repeating the question to each person present. :gimme: :tu:
I expect he will have that thrown back in his face some day...... :rofl:
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Post by: styx on June 11, 2019, 11:48:03 AM
Post by: Aloha on June 11, 2019, 02:31:47 PM
Post by: LoopCutter on June 11, 2019, 09:54:57 PM
I understand they were placed in mid September, and experience had indicate it snows as early as late August in their zone. Freeze up not far away.
Post by: comis on June 12, 2019, 07:36:16 AM
The Arctic is a tough environment, already misjudged by some not preparing shelter on arrival. Then snow arriving on day 4.
I understand they were placed in mid September, and experience had indicate it snows as early as late August in their zone. Freeze up not far away.
I remember watching the first two season, but did miss it afterwards...what? They are doing it in Arctic? That's gonna be very challenging!
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 12, 2019, 08:10:37 AM
new season has started:woohoo:
Missed that, but I was thinking just the other day we are overdue for a new season! :cheers:
Post by: styx on June 12, 2019, 08:24:20 PM
I remember watching the first two season, but did miss it afterwards...what? They are doing it in Arctic? That's gonna be very challenging!
and fun
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 13, 2019, 07:26:12 PM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 17, 2019, 10:51:18 AM
Looks like there'll be some big game hunting this season so we'll see how it develops.
Post by: LoopCutter on June 17, 2019, 02:00:38 PM
If I can be honest......first 2 episodes were a bit boring. :facepalm:Each season seems to start that way, to much time introducing the participants and they learning their cameras.
Setting up camp and shelter is critical, then establishing food stores.
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Post by: styx on June 17, 2019, 04:08:19 PM
Post by: Vidar on June 18, 2019, 10:05:00 AM
It seems they did a bit of a nasty trick to that poor fellow they placed in a burned down area. Maybe the fishing is great there at least.
I like that lady with the suffering attitude; "this will be so much suffering" "suffering is good, I'm good at suffering" - something along those lines. No illusions there it seems.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 18, 2019, 11:28:29 AM
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It seems they did a bit of a nasty trick to that poor fellow they placed in a burned down area. Maybe the fishing is great there at least.
They (the show) makes excuses that all sites are more or less equal........as long as that participant can find the abundant resource in his area......does seem like a bit of a low blow.....
Speaking from complete inexperience, if I was preparing that Muskrat I'd flame grill it nice & crispy then cook the living smurf out of it.....his leftovers looked underdone and seemed to have a lot of meat left on them.
There is still a lot they do that I don't understand, I'd be fishing a lot more.....
Post by: Vidar on June 18, 2019, 02:20:37 PM
They (the show) makes excuses that all sites are more or less equal........as long as that participant can find the abundant resource in his area......does seem like a bit of a low blow.....
All locations will be different by nature, literaly speaking, but the other participants seemed to have fairly similar areas. Making one person the odd one out might turn out to be unfair - one way or the other. I assume they could find 10 similar areas in that huge landscape, so I guess there is some purpose or logic behind it.
Speaking from complete inexperience, if I was preparing that Muskrat I'd flame grill it nice & crispy then cook the living smurf out of it.....his leftovers looked underdone and seemed to have a lot of meat left on them.
Something sure seemed to have survived and given him a hard time over it afterwards. I've been food poisoned once, and I've also had a distinct preferance for overdone cooking ever since.
There is still a lot they do that I don't understand, I'd be fishing a lot more.....
I assume they do a lot (unsuccesfully) outside of the alloted TV time. I guess equipment sets some limits too? If I got it right they get to bring 10 items, and that might not give many options? That said if a fishing net and fishing hooks both counts as one (?), I think I would have gone with the net.
What do they all typically bring? From the top of my head: Tarp, sleeping bag, knife, firerod, saw and or axe, bow, multitool, kettle, line, rope - not much room left to play with there? .
Post by: LoopCutter on June 18, 2019, 02:48:16 PM
It may have not been the muskrat or how it was prepared that was the cause of his TAP.
Speaking from complete inexperience, if I was preparing that Muskrat I'd flame grill it nice & crispy then cook the living smurf out of it.....his leftovers looked underdone and seemed to have a lot of meat left on them.
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I read on his profile he had a heart attack, and was allowed to bring his medication (s).
The muskrat was his first meal. If he had been taking his meds as prescribed, but without food, he could have cause irritation in his digestive track and when meat was then consumed, the acids to digest the food could have inflamed his stomach and intestines causing severe pain like he described.
Most meds require you to take with a meal, for that reason.
I did like his shelter and thought he was to be a contender.
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Post by: downt on June 18, 2019, 10:10:01 PM
So do they need a 1 week competition to qualify for the chance? I wonder if they'd even have enough people entering...
Bit of a risk to quit your job indefinitely!
I bet very few have a job, actually. They get 7000 or so entrants every season. They pick the ones least likey to make it, for at least 7 of the picks. 2-3 have to be female and at least on has to be a minority, if any apply. I think it will be wonica or Ray, since they are getting the most exposure. By day 30, if you haven' fed yourself well and have at least 50 lbs of preserved food, you wont win unless you're the fattest guy on the show.
Post by: downt on June 18, 2019, 10:19:39 PM
All locations will be different by nature, literaly speaking, but the other participants seemed to have fairly similar areas. Making one person the odd one out might turn out to be unfair - one way or the other. I assume they could find 10 similar areas in that huge landscape, so I guess there is some purpose or logic behind it.
Something sure seemed to have survived and given him a hard time over it afterwards. I've been food poisoned once, and I've also had a distinct preferance for overdone cooking ever since.
I assume they do a lot (unsuccesfully) outside of the alloted TV time. I guess equipment sets some limits too? If I got it right they get to bring 10 items, and that might not give many options? That said if a fishing net and fishing hooks both counts as one (?), I think I would have gone with the net.
What do they all typically bring? From the top of my head: Tarp, sleeping bag, knife, firerod, saw and or axe, bow, multitool, kettle, line, rope - not much room left to play with there? .
they supposedly are fishing but not catching anything. Every location I've seen, there's been ducks, and gulls. Take 25 BIG fishhooks, and convert them into 50, and then make 16 treblehooks, via the snarewire and the multitool. They can't START with barbed hooks this year, which might be why they are not catching any fish. I'd fix that shortage with a charcoal fire a couple of hard rocks and the file blades of my Crunch
Post by: downt on June 18, 2019, 10:29:54 PM
I was rooting for Britt to catch a fish, he did try. If he had he was good for another few days.
Sam was having issues vacating his waste. Once he announce the problem was resolved, I felt he was the one to beat as he continued to demonstrate his resilience and keep his mind and hands busy, including snow shoes for when the snow got deeper. He was not exiting soon as he continued to look for ways to beat the weather. Unfortunately he did not have success gathering fish or larger (than mice) animals. His drop trapped appeared effective, but did not appear along a travel path or had bait and funnel to force his intended targets to be caught. It was strange yet effective strategy. I even questioned his item selections.
I really did enjoy his comment after learning he won and greeted his wife, - " Which one of you guys have food?" repeating the question to each person present. :gimme: :tu:
if I win this and my wife doesn't bring me Mounds bars or something similar, we're getting divorced as soon as I get home.
none of them knew to make lots of netting, Sam finally got off of his butt a little bit and made the tiny amount possible wth a mere 20m of paracord (using the inner strands but didn't even know to weight down the bottom strands with stones. He won because he was the fattest and britt came second because he was the second fattest. Unless somebody makes a lot of netting and knows how to use it, the fattest guy at day 30 will always win, barring a pure luck thing of snaring or arrowing a big critter. How many of them would know to braid four segments of the 20 ga wire into a cable strong enough to snare a moose's hoof to a drag log, or strangle a deer or caribou?
Post by: Vidar on June 18, 2019, 11:51:54 PM
How many of them would know to braid four segments of the 20 ga wire into a cable strong enough to snare a moose's hoof to a drag log, or strangle a deer or caribou?
From what I've seen of this show they pick people with pretty varied and relevant backgrounds. I've been impressed by quite a few, actually maybe even most of them over the seasons. And I'm fairly certain most know how to braid and trap - I think the issue earlier seasons were more a ban against hunting bigger animals?
What I find somewhat interesting about the approach to fishing is that most adopt sport fishing methods. Which is fine as such, and usually the only allowed option for recreational fishing. Which might be what they are used to for that very reason. But if the goal isn't sport, but actually to get dinner, then most methods banned from sport fishing is likely more effective. (Usually the reason why they are banned in the first place).
Post by: LoopCutter on June 19, 2019, 12:22:19 AM
I now from one episode a lynx was observed, and it was said it was protected.
They are in Canada, the laws may varied to ours and even have greater restrictions for that territory.
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Post by: downt on June 19, 2019, 12:24:45 AM
From what I've seen of this show they pick people with pretty varied and relevant backgrounds. I've been impressed by quite a few, actually maybe even most of them over the seasons. And I'm fairly certain most know how to braid and trap - I think the issue earlier seasons were more a ban against hunting bigger animals?
What I find somewhat interesting about the approach to fishing is that most adopt sport fishing methods. Which is fine as such, and usually the only allowed option for recreational fishing. Which might be what they are used to for that very reason. But if the goal isn't sport, but actually to get dinner, then most methods banned from sport fishing is likely more effective. (Usually the reason why they are banned in the first place).
As of yet, I've not been impressed by anyone's ability,( 5 seasons) nor their awareness of what to take or do. I've been impressed by some of them's toughness, like Carleigh and Fowler. but that's it.
Post by: downt on June 19, 2019, 12:28:49 AM
I am pretty sure that the barb restriction is due to local fishing laws. Also, only allowed to take species in season most likely.
I now from one episode a lynx was observed, and it was said it was protected.
They are in Canada, do laws may. E varied to ours.
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they can get the same "subsistence permit" given to the Innuit and indians, which lets them take any game or fish, as needed for FOOD. They wont be arrowing any lynxes, from what I've seen of the way they walk on the show. Like cattle, clunk clunk.
FAR more likely, it's because of dummies getting a hook in their hands., cause they aint got brains enough to make a dip net out of a chunk of tarp and wood (takes half an hour and only an issue if they're in a boat, which only 2 have been. :-) I learned at age 13 to alwys drag the fish up onto the bank man. Then you either club it, or put it onto a stringer. 15 ft up on the bank, you can't lose it, and you can put your foot on the fish while you remove the hook.
Post by: Vidar on June 19, 2019, 01:29:07 AM
FAR more likely, it's because of dummies getting a hook in their hands., cause they aint got brains enough to make a dip net out of a chunk of tarp and wood (takes half an hour and only an issue if they're in a boat, which only 2 have been. :-) I learned at age 13 to alwys drag the fish up onto the bank man. Then you either club it, or put it onto a stringer. 15 ft up on the bank, you can't lose it, and you can put your foot on the fish while you remove the hook.
I see no need to call them dummies or question their intelligence. They made it onto the show which means they already surpassed the wast majority of applicants, and a big part of that will be due to their abilities and experience. You simply can not cast any random guy and drop them off alone in the wilderness - let alone in the arctic.
Sure they do mistakes, have accidents and go about their stuff in different ways. They all try to adapt strategies based on their particular skillset, but there is enough happenstance to kill off even the best of plans - which force them out of their comfort zone and expose their weaker areas.
I might do better than some at a few tasks, but I also know that most of those people would easily outlast me overall - and that is what counts. The technical survival skills need to be at a certain level, but I think the real challenge and deciding factors in the show are more at a mental level.
Age 13 sounds about 10 years late.. :pok: :D
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 19, 2019, 10:02:37 AM
What do they all typically bring? From the top of my head: Tarp, sleeping bag, knife, firerod, saw and or axe, bow, multitool, kettle, line, rope - not much room left to play with there? .
Well the one guy left the ferro rod so he could take a net.......almost flopped with the fire but did catch a fish......
I've fished for many species and strangely enough even rivers, but not that cold and not those species. Just can't help but think there should be a lot of fish in those waters....
Post by: Vidar on June 19, 2019, 12:18:57 PM
Well the one guy left the ferro rod so he could take a net.......almost flopped with the fire but did catch a fish......
I've fished for many species and strangely enough even rivers, but not that cold and not those species. Just can't help but think there should be a lot of fish in those waters....
When it freezes over they can do ice fishing and no longer be limited to the shoreline. Snow also makes it easier to track prey, and the animals that don't change fur color will be easier to spot against the white. Some will also be attracted to remaining open water holes. So the cold isn't all bad. Should be an interesting season.
Wonder if any of the contestants brought a white sleeping bag?
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 19, 2019, 12:30:01 PM
Wonder if any of the contestants brought a white sleeping bag?
That helps how? :think:
Post by: zoidberg on June 19, 2019, 12:43:11 PM
That helps how? :think:
It's warm camo.
Post by: Vidar on June 19, 2019, 02:18:21 PM
That helps how? :think:
Camoflage and warmth for hunting on post. It has to be a color anyway, so why not take white for that extra option?
Post by: LoopCutter on June 19, 2019, 02:48:23 PM
When the lake freezes these will go to deep water (50 feet or more).
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Post by: downt on June 20, 2019, 03:48:38 AM
When it freezes over they can do ice fishing and no longer be limited to the shoreline. Snow also makes it easier to track prey, and the animals that don't change fur color will be easier to spot against the white. Some will also be attracted to remaining open water holes. So the cold isn't all bad. Should be an interesting season.
Wonder if any of the contestants brought a white sleeping bag?
which guy is that? the only one I noticed took a bow drill instead of a ferrorod, so that gained him nothing at all. In fact, it's a pita big mistake. I can see not taking a ferrorod if you're just going to fire-roll a chunk of your bandnna to get your first fire, bed your coals, get a primitive shelter over your fire and probably never need to start another fire "from scratch". Once you have ashes and charred punk wood, as well as pine resin, feathersticks and shredded duct tape, kept dry in you tarp and tape watertight bag, you can start fires with any hard rock and any carbon steel tool.
Post by: downt on June 20, 2019, 03:52:57 AM
I see no need to call them dummies or question their intelligence. They made it onto the show which means they already surpassed the wast majority of applicants, and a big part of that will be due to their abilities and experience. You simply can not cast any random guy and drop them off alone in the wilderness - let alone in the arctic.
Sure they do mistakes, have accidents and go about their stuff in different ways. They all try to adapt strategies based on their particular skillset, but there is enough happenstance to kill off even the best of plans - which force them out of their comfort zone and expose their weaker areas.
I might do better than some at a few tasks, but I also know that most of those people would easily outlast me overall - and that is what counts. The technical survival skills need to be at a certain level, but I think the real challenge and deciding factors in the show are more at a mental level.
ge 13 sounds about 10 years late.. :pok: :D
they apparently take anyone that's female, transgender or a minority, cause they get so few such applicants, I guess? anyway, if they are your "expert instructors" God help you if you ever actually need to do this sort of thing, because they can't.
Post by: downt on June 20, 2019, 04:09:07 AM
The traditional stuff and tactics has NEVER worked. They've all just starved. Every last one of them has lost at least an average of half a lb per day. That's 1500 calories that they fell short of getting, EVERY day. The only one of the 10 things that most people take, that I agree with, is the snarewire. Everything else is less than optimal. Even the fishing kit. I'd take it, but I'd take 25 BIG hooks, and use the fire, a couple of hard stones, and the modified Crunch tool to convert them into 2 hooks each, with barbs. Then I'd use the Crunch and the snare wire to convert them into 16 treblehooks and set at least half of them for mammals and birds. There's no need of the axe, saw and belt knife, when the Crunch and the Cold steel shovel (modified to have 8" of saw edge) can do more than those 3 items and it saves you a pick. You dont need the paracord or the gillnet, if you take the hammock. There's far more cordage there, and it can make you 400 sq ft of 3" mesh netting, on top of the cordage you need for lashings. The gillnet is restricted to 60 sq ft in size, so it's not worth taking. It's also 1.5" mesh and a gillnet cant catch fish that are bigger than the mesh size. Seines and weirs CAN. Weirs can be baited, gillnets cannot. Netting can be used to trap waterfowl, crows, magpies, pigeons and mammals.
Why take the 2 qt pot limit, when you can have a 5 qt skillet with lid? No rule says that you can't, you know. Why take a bow, when you can have the greater versatility and handiness of a slingbow? I'd take the 12x12 tarp and make netting out of it. I'd skip the sleeping bag to do so, too. There's plenty of debris that you can use for insulation and they are given lots of heavy winter clothing, too. I'd tke the duct tape, the 3 lb block of salt. Dont take stuff that other stuff can do the job of (ie, the Crunch and shovel replace the saw, belt knife and axe) and dont take stuff you can make on site (sleeping bag, gillnet, paracord, fire-starter). The rations are just 2 lbs each, so they will give you only 1 more day of staying power each. They used to be 5 lbs and that was marginal. So they are no longer worth using a pick in order to take.
I'd set netting-wrapped box traps for small game and birds (other than the above ground weir type net for baited-in ducks, using boiled then fried cambium as bait) Reserve the snare wire for the treblehooks set for predators (coons, possums, etc) for making the treblehooks, and for braiding into cables that can strangle a deer or caribou, or hook a moose, wolf or bear to a drag-log. Cordage will not suffice for such things. Get into ketosis 2 weeks before you go and pig out your last couple of meals. Getting fat for the show is cheating, no different than smuggling in a knife or ferrorod.
Post by: downt on June 20, 2019, 04:22:09 AM
I hope Dave doesn't fall from that stand. And next time I want to see Larry win against the wind as he did against the mice
Larry never won vs the mice. He didn't even know to make a wicker basket, about the size and shape of a 5 gallon bucket, line it with a hunk of tarp, fill it half full of water, split a 1.5" sapling, about 3 ft long, rough up the flats and set them as ramps for the mice to get up to the bucket's edge. Set a roller stick across the top center of the bucket, bait a 3" sq, 1/2" thick centered on the roller log, with roasted cambium and fish or bird guts, Mice try to reach the bait, fall in and drown. Later, the bucket holds your wastes when you hole up down in the dugout shelter, covering each "deposit" with loose earth.
Post by: downt on June 20, 2019, 04:26:38 AM
Our expectations my have been set higher for this group since thay have been there and down that.
Now, I find it interesting that with river having fish, most are able to catch what they need to minimize hunger. See a bird, oh! drop it with my bow and arrow. Doing the self video, we miss the actual action, so yes boring. Yet interesting as to who is having current success, and that what works for one, does not for another.
I founds Dave's commit regarding, he who does not have a fire IN the shelter is missing out, like he knows of Larry's campsite (?), or Sam's. Brett and Randy both have inside fire pits.
Cod weather, freezing nights and days plus snow will turn up the intensity for the last 5 for sure.
they are missing out all right, on not waking up dead from CO poisoning, or with everything on fire, including their hair, or having lung cancer or emphysema in a few years. You ca heat big rocks on gravity fed Dakota fire pits, put them under your raised wooden bed and be plenty warm enough. In fact, you can be warm enough without the rocks or the sleeping bag, if you just pile up enough debris to lie upon and put more in a mesh bag and pull it over you like a blanket.
PS: I love the fall colors and scenery shown by the high cameras or drones.
Post by: downt on June 20, 2019, 04:48:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfe-S40nAgI
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=long+log+fire
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rolling+log+mouse+trap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TnUg_ywvAw
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dakota+fire+pit
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+make+a+debris+bag+for+warmth
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=emergency+winter+survival
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2fJ8FYKZs4
ashed tinder works great
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ashed+tinder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kDVpAi-BSI
A very few hours of googling and yt search found all of this. If you use a few coats of iodine, a few days apart each, on the outside of your shovel. That will heavily rust it in short order. Then, when you are dropped off, you convert your gaiters and some tape into a dry bag for your fire kit. Scrape the rust off of the shovel into a bit of your bandanna,and seal it with a bit of tape. You'll be able to start any fires with that rust, fire rolling strips of bandanna. or using flint and steel into rusted tinder, or charred punk wood, Here's something else that will back you up nicely. when it comes to fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8BXhxHWyF4
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=making+a+raised+wooden+bed+for+bushcraft
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1CAPPDO_enUS827&ei=nvIKXdHYNMjwtAWb6bj4Dw&q=making+an+earth+oven+yt+survival+lily&oq=making+an+earth+oven+yt+survival+lily&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i10i299l3.16664.19749..20650...0.0..0.131.1500.3j11......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j33i22i29i30j33i160j33i299.B2Nyobo2J10
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1CAPPDO_enUS827&ei=6fIKXc6DAtCQsAWBur2IAw&q=kebab+food+over+wood+fire+you+tube+bushcraft&oq=kebab+food+over+wood+fire+you+tube+bushcraft&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i160.31153.34794..36747...0.0..0.220.1220.3j6j1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j33i299j33i10i299j33i10i160.7Ng9fbasqTw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKVevhoNXY
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=eating+cambium
here's what stone axes did for milllenia. The Cold steel shovel with saw edge is 10x better, when you have 2 file blades on the Crunch, for sharpening the saw teeth.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=survival+technology++stone+adze
Post by: Vidar on June 20, 2019, 05:44:28 AM
they apparently take anyone that's female, transgender or a minority, cause they get so few such applicants, I guess? anyway, if they are your "expert instructors" God help you if you ever actually need to do this sort of thing, because they can't.
If they have so few applicants, and you think they are all so hopeless, then you should have no problem signing up and winning the show next season.
As for me I hope to never have to do anything like that. My ambitions are limited to staying alive until resqued if smurf do happen when I'm out and about. Mind you, in bad conditions that can be challenging enough for even a short while.
As for expert advice I wouldn't look to neither reality shows or youtube. We have locals who live outside on a daily basis, and who are fully capable of living off the land all year round. That is based on traditional ways of life evolved over the thousands of years that humans has been living in these areas. I'd rather put my trust in that well of knowledge and experience over fancy modern gear and theories.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 20, 2019, 10:25:21 AM
. We have locals who live outside on a daily basis, and who are fully capable of living off the land all year round. That is based on traditional ways of life evolved over the thousands of years that humans has been living in these areas.:iagree:
Our Bushmen don't have the skills for cold weather, but they are just one group of people in the world that would laugh at these "challenges"
In my country there are people in the rural areas that live very much as their ancestors did. I've seen guys paddling a mokoro on the Zambezi river, middle of nowhere heading home, and let me tell you they are machines, you see rippling muscles under those black skins. They've been at it all day and I can't even stay upright in one of those "boats"
They need a hook and 2m of fishing line to fill a boat with fish......we go out in motor boats loaded with all the newest gear and blank......
They wont be arrowing any lynxes, from what I've seen of the way they walk on the show. Like cattle, clunk clunk.
From my limited experience I can only agree, question is are they filming when they have a real opportunity....?
If getting the shot. film wise, counts more than filling the belly........does not compute :think:
Post by: Vidar on June 20, 2019, 10:57:22 AM
Our Bushmen don't have the skills for cold weather, but they are just one group of people in the world that would laugh at these "challenges"
Yes indeed. If the challenge was on their home turf there wouldn't really be a competition. Then again, part of the competition is about putting the contestants into new environments and see how they adapt. One of the reasons I find many participants impressive is that they do.
I've seen guys paddling a mokoro on the Zambezi river
I had to google those :) Those mokoros are not unlike our river boats up here. I guess that makes sense - river maneuvering probably have fairly similar challenges everywhere, so design evolution gets similar too.
They need a hook and 2m of fishing line to fill a boat with fish......we go out in motor boats loaded with all the newest gear and blank......
Over here that is one of the ways to judge people you meet outdoors. If you're out and about and meet someone walking around with little gear, half normal clothes, and maybe a simple plastic carry bag or two then chances are the person is quite comfortable outdoors and knows the region well.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 20, 2019, 11:54:51 AM
I had to google those :) Those mokoros are not unlike our river boats up here. I guess that makes sense - river maneuvering probably have fairly similar challenges everywhere, so design evolution gets similar too.
That depends what your search brought up.....
The mokoros that tourists get to experience are fiberglass copies, the real thing is another beast...... :facepalm:
They're made from one mildly hollowed out tree trunk, upright is not their preferred orientation, they leak, and they are heavier than you could imagine!
I got on one in the backwater in front of the lodge where I worked, went 3-4m and very nervously came back.......constant balancing act.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 20, 2019, 11:59:55 AM
Over here that is one of the ways to judge people you meet outdoors. If you're out and about and meet someone walking around with little gear, half normal clothes, and maybe a simple plastic carry bag or two then chances are the person is quite comfortable outdoors and knows the region well.
This might be of interest to some.....
The guys cut a few reeds, the hook and line and tied to the thick end of the reed and they rest the reed on the water - your all-natural bio-degradable fishing rod is also a float/bite indicator.
They tend to have 4 or 5 "rods" resting on the side of the boat right infront of each, and I have seen big fish take the whole rig before they can grab it. 8)
Post by: Vidar on June 20, 2019, 12:03:35 PM
They're made from one mildly hollowed out tree trunk, upright is not their preferred orientation, they leak, and they are heavier than you could imagine!
I got on one in the backwater in front of the lodge where I worked, went 3-4m and very nervously came back.......constant balancing act.
:D My mistake - I got some long wooden boat from the search. River boats here have a preference for staying upright - leakage and weight varies.
Boat and balancings act seems like a combination better avoided. Sounds like a wise decision! :D :cheers:
Post by: Vidar on June 20, 2019, 12:08:21 PM
This might be of interest to some.....
The guys cut a few reeds, the hook and line and tied to the thick end of the reed and they rest the reed on the water - your all-natural bio-degradable fishing rod is also a float/bite indicator.
They tend to have 4 or 5 "rods" resting on the side of the boat right infront of each, and I have seen big fish take the whole rig before they can grab it. 8)
Interesting using it the other way around. I fear our wood would just sink instead of indicate, but worth a try just for fun.
Over here natural branches was sometimes used by people who fished without a license where that was required. The punishment for getting caught was typically confiscation of the fishing gear.. :P
Post by: Aloha on June 20, 2019, 03:43:12 PM
Good point about his heart meds and the possibility of stomach woes.
I spied a Leatherman BO used by one of the females :tu:.
I guess the show is keeping with the cold climate theme. I was kinda hoping for a different climate. Poor guy with the busted leg. He was just commenting how walking on that surface was like walking on plates. Did anyone else see the lady cut herself before it happened? I was cringing while watching her use her knife. I am glad it wasn't as bad as it could have been. Glad she's still in the competition.
I'm no fisherman but I'd sure as heck be fishing my arse off. I wonder if having the bow and arrows some contestants feel pressures to hunt with them? Be really bad arsery to bring home big game.
Post by: LoopCutter on June 20, 2019, 05:19:53 PM
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 25, 2019, 08:56:49 AM
So........the guy in the burnt area got more food that the rest put together :think:
:rofl:
Post by: Shuya on June 25, 2019, 09:45:08 AM
Even the fishing kit. I'd take it, but I'd take 25 BIG hooks, and use the fire, a couple of hard stones, and the modified Crunch tool to convert them into 2 hooks each, with barbs. Then I'd use the Crunch and the snare wire to convert them into 16 treblehooks and set at least half of them for mammals and birds.
You wont, you lack metalurgical knowledge, what you describe will simply ruin your limited number of hooks.
Try it at home. Those thin hooks will just burn away and you will be left with scaled, soft wire at best, not usable for anthing.
Post by: styx on June 25, 2019, 02:12:36 PM
Yes, she did not appear comfortable with that knife. I had told my wife about 30 seconds before, “she is going to cut her hand”
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a lot of people buy new better gear once they pass selection. that might be it.
Post by: Aloha on June 25, 2019, 03:29:19 PM
Post by: Vidar on June 25, 2019, 06:53:59 PM
:pok:
So........the guy in the burnt area got more food that the rest put together :think:
:rofl:
He didn't seem so unhappy about his spot anymore :D
Still, I think putting someone in a different ecosystem (although in the same area) is tilting the tables a bit - for better and or worse.
Post by: Vidar on June 25, 2019, 07:01:59 PM
A couple of MTs ( what appear to be Leatherman ), I believe I've seen a Wave BO and Surge.
What would a perfect multi-tool for Alone be like?
I figure you'll have a proper knife, axe and maybe a big saw anyway. So from the top of my head maybe a smaller knife for carving, a sharpening file, ferrorod (backup or main), small saw for small stuff, awl with needle head, tweezer, magnifying glass, tooth pick, scissor, pliers with cutters and precise grip, chisel/ flat screwdriver, full round PH screwdriver for arguing with tough knots and the like. Signal colors so it is easier to find.
Post by: LoopCutter on June 25, 2019, 08:57:23 PM
I thought I observed the Surge tool locks and on one participant a large Velcro nylon sheath.
Previous seasons the Surge appeared to be MT of choice, including a couple that where modded.
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 26, 2019, 10:52:41 AM
You wont, you lack metalurgical knowledge, what you describe will simply ruin your limited number of hooks.Agreed :cheers:
Try it at home. Those thin hooks will just burn away and you will be left with scaled, soft wire at best, not usable for anthing.
Also, I know a treble hook has it's time and place, but in general a normal single hook has better hooking characteristics.
I would want some circle hooks in my kit....
Post by: Vidar on June 26, 2019, 12:11:46 PM
I got rubbed a bit the wrong way when these got glorified over normal actually working practices and the attitude of how silly all those doing things the normal way are. I would be quite surprised if the participants on Alone haven't tried out quite a bit, and found what (kind of) works for them.
That said, I do appreciate learning about new concepts. I'll pickup that fire roll concept Downt mentioned, and I'll actually try it at some point. Before going off anywhere far though :) :cheers:
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 27, 2019, 11:19:23 AM
That said, I do appreciate learning about new concepts. I'll pickup that fire roll concept Downt mentioned, and I'll actually try it at some point. Before going off anywhere far though :) :cheers:
There's a youtube channel I subscribe to....wish I could remember the guy's name.......that is probably the best collection of alternative fire making methods I've seen.
That said, on most of these shows the people that counted in friction fire regretted it....
I would only want a multitool if I knew I'd have resources to make lures, and fish that would take them.
I forge on a weekly basis. I have, with myself and another person blowing on a BBQ fire (local hardwood) gotten a piece of a broken file up to critical temp, red hot basically, but you need a few degrees more to forge, never-mind forge welding. Sure you can quench it and get it hard, but then it needs to be tempered or it would break if you look at it wrong.
Post by: Vidar on June 27, 2019, 12:54:33 PM
There's a youtube channel I subscribe to....wish I could remember the guy's name.......that is probably the best collection of alternative fire making methods I've seen.
That said, on most of these shows the people that counted in friction fire regretted it....
I wouldn't depend on it, but interesting to know for its own sake. If I actually want a fire I'm boring enough to bring a lighter or matches. :dunno:
One day I have some spare time I plan to make the mother of all fire pistons just for the heck of it. I like the concept, but the traditional design is a bit hit and miss. A fire piston that fire every time would be interesting. That would be rather expensive and on the heavy side, but maybe an interesting personal side project.
I would only want a multitool if I knew I'd have resources to make lures, and fish that would take them.
I think I would have brought one just for the options it brings for making or modifying stuff in general. Tarp, sleeping bag, snares, fishing line, pot, knife, axe, ferro rod - that is 8. The last two would be between saw, multi-tool, gill net and salt. Ok, I'm not sure about the multi-tool either. :)
I forge on a weekly basis. I have, with myself and another person blowing on a BBQ fire (local hardwood) gotten a piece of a broken file up to critical temp, red hot basically, but you need a few degrees more to forge, never-mind forge welding. Sure you can quench it and get it hard, but then it needs to be tempered or it would break if you look at it wrong.
I know that if I were to try forging fish hooks out in the wild it would likely end up with me having lots of holes in my fingers, some holes maybe closed off by stuck fish hooks, and hands which are burnt and beaten after trying to forge without tongs and using rocks instead of hammers. :facepalm: Maybe I just didn't get the concept right.
Post by: Alan K. on June 27, 2019, 08:12:12 PM
Post by: LoopCutter on June 27, 2019, 08:48:15 PM
The Air Force survivor trainer is another I like. For his family!
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on June 28, 2019, 08:14:34 AM
I wouldn't depend on it, but interesting to know for its own sake. If I actually want a fire I'm boring enough to bring a lighter or matches. :dunno:
One day I have some spare time I plan to make the mother of all fire pistons just for the heck of it. I like the concept, but the traditional design is a bit hit and miss. A fire piston that fire every time would be interesting. That would be rather expensive and on the heavy side, but maybe an interesting personal side project.
David West https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgAunVsQr42Tg1lTd45mkaA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgAunVsQr42Tg1lTd45mkaA)
IIRC friction fire was my mission for 2016 or 2017, and I failed completely......I could've managed it, but I felt and still feel I need to do it with local woods.
I made (had made) fire pistons from brass, didn't work, but I did successfully light a fire with a bottom-of-a-can parabolic mirror.
Post by: Vidar on June 28, 2019, 09:41:18 AM
David West https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgAunVsQr42Tg1lTd45mkaA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgAunVsQr42Tg1lTd45mkaA)
IIRC friction fire was my mission for 2016 or 2017, and I failed completely......I could've managed it, but I felt and still feel I need to do it with local woods.
I made (had made) fire pistons from brass, didn't work, but I did successfully light a fire with a bottom-of-a-can parabolic mirror.
I haven't actually tried making a friction fire. I imagine wet wood isn't the best start, and that is what we got most of the time. I should try though.
So what failed on your fire piston?
Come to think of it I don't think I've seen any contestants bring salt?
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 02, 2019, 10:42:09 AM
So what failed on your fire piston?
I know this sounds illogical, but my only theory is we machined it with too tight tolerances and the seal was so good I bent the plunger with one of my first few attempts.
Most people don't realize how easily fire can be very very difficult. I make 99% of my fires with ferro rod, I test myself and I have failed. Easy one to recall was late one afternoon fishing at the coast, we were cold & went, I'd done with fishing and decided to try for a small fire. I was not expecting trouble because there was plenty driftwood way above the high water mark etc etc.
Finally gave up after I couldn't manage even with magnesium scrapings. :salute:
Post by: Aloha on July 02, 2019, 03:29:17 PM
Post by: Vidar on July 02, 2019, 06:56:30 PM
I know this sounds illogical, but my only theory is we machined it with too tight tolerances and the seal was so good I bent the plunger with one of my first few attempts.
Most people don't realize how easily fire can be very very difficult. I make 99% of my fires with ferro rod, I test myself and I have failed. Easy one to recall was late one afternoon fishing at the coast, we were cold & went, I'd done with fishing and decided to try for a small fire. I was not expecting trouble because there was plenty driftwood way above the high water mark etc etc.
Finally gave up after I couldn't manage even with magnesium scrapings. :salute:
That doesn't sound illogical - it makes a lot of sense actually as a plunger can't be too wide but still needs to take some beating. I'll keep that noted. :cheers:
For me fires got a lot easier once I really grasped the importance of having lots and lots of surface area to volume for whatever tinder material is at hand. Magnesium shavings sounds like something I should try just for the smurf of it.
Post by: Vidar on July 02, 2019, 07:00:02 PM
I always route for the women :salute:. Admittedly tho, I just want to see everyone go the their own distance. Take themselves as far as possible. I appreciate skills but I also appreciate when someone can shift gears all the while keep positive. Its humbling for man out there both emotionally and skills wise which I also appreciate seeing. I hope those who leave earlier than they expected go home and live their fullest lives.
I think is part of what makes the show interesting - in a way they are all in the same place but on different journeys personally. :cheers:
I wonder if any of them will harvest a bit of grass and juicy branches to keep around for later. Time will show. Actually, show will show I guess.
Post by: LoopCutter on July 02, 2019, 09:05:51 PM
It is also interesting how each begin and continue to open up personally with the camera lens. It becomes their one eye therapist sort of.
Once the cold sets in below freezing, warmth will be come the holy grail, and without a stove or barrel to control the burn, firewood will be consumed faster than they can cut and split.
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 03, 2019, 10:11:31 AM
That doesn't sound illogical - it makes a lot of sense actually as a plunger can't be too wide but still needs to take some beating. I'll keep that noted. :cheers:
For me fires got a lot easier once I really grasped the importance of having lots and lots of surface area to volume for whatever tinder material is at hand. Magnesium shavings sounds like something I should try just for the smurf of it.
I found this....or it found me yesterday, fascinating stuff on the whole but especially where he talks about fire making. https://youtu.be/jmpcvZWTkns (https://youtu.be/jmpcvZWTkns)
I can recommend all the episodes, honestly haven't heard of the other 3 guys, but that's just my ignorance......
Slight derailment but very relevant to what the contestants are doing.....
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 15, 2019, 11:00:04 AM
Post by: Vidar on July 15, 2019, 01:41:21 PM
Now he doesn't have to hunt anymore - all the predators will come straight to him.. :ahhh
Post by: LoopCutter on July 15, 2019, 02:09:52 PM
And skinned and parted with a Leatherman - the man should get some kind of prize!There is another reality show, “The Last Alaskans”, and Heimo Korth, wears a SuperTool 300 on his left hip, and he as butchered at least 2 moose on camera with his ST300 and several Caribou. As well opening his storage barrels, repairing the snow machine, testing wire for several types of snares and trap sets. He and his wife are one of the last resident permit holders in the Alaskan Refuge, and has lived there for over thirty years.
Now he doesn't have to hunt anymore - all the predators will come straight to him.. :ahhh
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Post by: Vidar on July 15, 2019, 10:23:00 PM
Yet, for Jordan to shoot, hit, and track a moose with a bow is pretty amazing. I was surprised that the Surge was his only knife.
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+1 to all of that!
I was half expecting to see some contestants gather and dry vegetation to keep around for after the snow comes. After snow hits any delicious vegetation left will attract critters big and small alike. I don't know the vegetation there, but over here at least both the moose and hare have their favorites - and they come around for that if they can find it.
Post by: styx on July 16, 2019, 07:37:25 AM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 16, 2019, 10:35:27 AM
this broken up broadcasting is really making it hard to follow the season
Any idea what the reason for that was?
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 16, 2019, 10:41:54 AM
I can't shoot a bow to save my life, might need to change that.
From what I've seen of bow hunting, and the little I know about moose, that was an achievement.
As far as the skinning goes I just had one thought: hope that's not a 420HC blade :facepalm:
I've had to do this twice, once an Oryx, once a Kudu. I believe both are smaller, we were 2, but it was hot despite being Winter (hunting season).......not fun.
Post by: LoopCutter on July 16, 2019, 01:07:59 PM
Any idea what the reason for that was?In the states, it was a holiday, Independence Day, July 4. Often TV channels will schedule reruns or special programming on a holiday then resume a series the next regular date.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 17, 2019, 08:58:38 AM
In the states, it was a holiday, Independence Day, July 4. Often TV channels will schedule reruns or special programming on a holiday then resume a series the next regular date.
Of course...... :facepalm:
Post by: Aloha on July 17, 2019, 04:40:06 PM
I did wonder why he wouldn't shoot that moose again to end it? I have no knowledge of hunting but I thought a fast kill was always preferred.
Big props to him :salute:
Post by: styx on July 17, 2019, 06:32:57 PM
Any idea what the reason for that was?
it was the day when Will Smith defeated the aliens
Post by: ducttapetech on July 17, 2019, 10:46:52 PM
It was. He used a Leatherman Surge. Mine hasn't given me any problems gutting deer or other game.
As far as the skinning goes I just had one thought: hope that's not a 420HC blade :facepalm:
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 22, 2019, 11:03:19 AM
It was. He used a Leatherman Surge. Mine hasn't given me any problems gutting deer or other game.
Used my Core to skin a chicken (for fly tying materials) once and did not enjoy it :facepalm:
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 22, 2019, 11:06:39 AM
I did wonder why he wouldn't shoot that moose again to end it? I have no knowledge of hunting but I thought a fast kill was always preferred.
Head shot would be the only way I guess, which I wouldn't try with a bow.
It took 6 hours to die (IIRC) but even in that state it likely needed 6 seconds to completely mess him up. I'm not much of a hunter and not a bow hunter at all, but I think he made the right call. :salute:
Post by: Aloha on July 23, 2019, 02:20:45 PM
Lots of good snare catches. Some decent fishing from a few. That fire was scary but she now knows to scrape the creosote occasionally to be on the safe side.
Every season we see someone miss their family so much they tap out. It was great to hear him speak of his family. He was a strong contender and with a week of fish left who knows.......................
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 25, 2019, 08:40:15 AM
Every season we see someone miss their family so much they tap out. It was great to hear him speak of his family. He was a strong contender and with a week of fish left who knows.......................
That's why they wouldn't dare put me in there, as things stand there's a friend or 2 I would miss and even less that would miss me, if I could sort out food I'd keep the crew away by throwing rocks at them and just stay...... :whistle:
Post by: Vidar on July 27, 2019, 11:58:51 PM
(And it was a strong contrast to the other contestant which got harmed fighting a squirrel).
Post by: Aloha on July 28, 2019, 03:56:11 PM
OMG that lady and the squirrel. I can understand her not just stabbing it in the head as she appeared to try. Grabbing it with her hand however :o. I sure hope she's ok.
Barry and his mishap fishing made me actually talk to the TV. DUDE, make a net what the heck! I was so glad he listened :whistle:. Its one of the first projects I think I'd do. So happy he was successful with fishing.
The lady and her fox stealing her caught rabbits. I sure hope she figures out how to keep what she catches. Its no secret I am routing for any of these women to win.
Adapt Improvise Overcome. Who ever first said this :hatsoff:
Post by: LoopCutter on July 28, 2019, 05:23:16 PM
Nicole (I think that is her name) is her own worst enemy. She cut herself with the knife, she poked her calf with an arrow tip, suffered a couple of fires in camp, now getting bit by a squirrel. I also believe she is having a fox raid her snares, too.
I agreed with the net, I to said make net!
Missing being a DAD and a HUSBAND, is a good reason to tap, he already proved himself, I must respect!
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Post by: Gerhard Gerber on July 29, 2019, 10:45:27 AM
having spent several winters in Siberia with an indigenous tribe he does appear to have attitude t
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When he mentioned that my first thought was "we have a winner" :cheers:
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 12, 2019, 08:54:18 AM
Fat, it seems we can't live without the stuff.
Very interesting twist for who I was sure would be the winner
Watched EP9 over the weekend, not much happened except for the the medical withdrawal, not so sure about the winner anymore.... :gimme:
Post by: Vidar on August 12, 2019, 11:10:50 AM
There are however a few so called essential fatty acids which the body can not make itself, and thus those need to be ingested. Those can be had from fish and various plants, so there are sources around for those. And although these are essential, and he might not have eaten any of them lately, he likely entered into the show with a normal balance and thus might still have some stored in the body.
If all they check are body fat percentage he just needs to eat more than he spends at activities. The body is great at converting excess into fat whether it comes from carbohydrates or protein.
He is still my favorite to win - although accidents and smurf might surely happen.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 12, 2019, 12:40:53 PM
He is still my favorite to win - although accidents and smurf might surely happen.
Same here, until he lost that fish.......
He was worried they's pull him due to weight loss despite having more than enough food, I guess the doctor(s) on duty can answer that question.
The lady that was pulled in the last episode honestly didn't look that skinny to me.....
I would be smashing that tap-out button after a week of no #2'ing, but then again I watched The Island, and I would also be just the right piece of tubing away from giving myself an enema :facepalm:
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Post by: Vidar on August 24, 2019, 08:06:25 AM
Short season, most likely due to the cold and especially harsh conditions. Jordan was the last man standing. That was the expected outcome since the day he killed the moose. However, I don't think he would have lasted more than a few more days the way he was talking about failing due to not getting enough fat to eat and how hopeless he was feeling about it. The woman decided to quit on her birthday but I really think she would have won if she could have held out for just another week.
I thought it was the right and pretty clear winner, and also the expected one ever since they said he had spent years with reindeer herders in Siberia. The moose certainly helped, but it didn't just fall in his lap - he was going for it in a way beyond all the others. He also kept fishing going, successfully, after the others had given up on that.
After winning he told his wife that he had more in the tank so I figured morale was still pretty good. He expected it would last until February, which I think would be about two more months, so his comments on how he was coming along might be seen in that light.
Apparently he had enough spare food when he won to invite the production crew to dinner. :D
Overall a great season - and to me Wynona was a well deserved runner up.
Post by: Aloha on August 24, 2019, 03:34:51 PM
I was bummed she tapped but she knew it was time. I really like her a lot. She was a fighter and had a great attitude the whole way thru.
I cant wait to watch them all together talk about their experiences.
I was so bummed for the fella who burned his shelter down. What a scary ordeal for him then to have to wait till morning to be picked. up.
Post by: LoopCutter on August 24, 2019, 04:11:03 PM
I thought Jordan was done when he discovered he left his ladder up and then found the Wolverine had gnawed on his fish. Why had he not eaten the fish after catching?
Yet, cutting a hole and jigging for another fish showed he was not done. Also, liked how he was doing his speech to the med team of having a lot of energy to keep going. As his wife crept up behind him.
I was most surprised that the helicopter did not arrive till almost an hour and a half after sunrise. He could have been frozen by then. Bad call by the support team. What if a wolf attack, or an accident involving a bleeding injury. ???
New standards, kill and butcher a moose, ice fishing, Gill net below the ice, a wolverine kill, rabbit snares that are effective repeatedly and other skills shared made this the most educational Alone season to date.
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Post by: Aloha on August 24, 2019, 04:24:38 PM
Jordan sounded like he had that speech all rehearsed :D. I was smiling as he was reciting it. He sure sounded like he was ready to go back to fighting it out and with the fish in the pot he had the needed fuel to do so. Mentally he also was tough and steady. Nothing but praise for him.
I'm still a bit in awe of his wolverine kill :o. That man went primal.
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on August 27, 2019, 12:14:00 PM
:hatsoff:
The footage of the runner-up during pick-up was scary, especially when she smiled.
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