It is fake. Gerber confirmed and know about these guys and are currently looking into a law suit. I am in negotiations w/the seller to get my money back. They seem very concerned w/bad feedback, so I told them I'd give them good feedback as long as I could just get my money back. He agreed, but now we are haggling over him paying for the postage back and me giving feedback AFTER I get my refund, not before like he wants, lol. I plan on getting my money back, giving good feedback, then forwarding all my email threads to eBay as proof of how he coerced good feedback from me by with holding my refund. Hopefully they will then cancel his account all together.
smurfs.
If it comes from Singapore... I reckon I could go pay them a visit and see what it's all about...
I have one on the way. Also from hugewish. Bought it on the 11th so should be here soon. I already have a DET so I can compare.
Nice pics as usual Chako.
Thanks for the pictures and your write up. What really burns me to no end is a copy
is one thing but a copy using the name on it of the company your imitating is quite
another. It's awful. :-\
If it comes from Singapore... I reckon I could go pay them a visit and see what it's all about...
WOOOOOOOOO I LOVE SEEING SOME ACTION! :D
Did they try to pass it off as an original Gerber? Thats very much fraud. They have fake rescue tools on ebay that say "warning: this is not Victorinox" as the opening to the description. That ain't fraud. I think anyone who bought imitation items from them should ban together and shut those jackasses down. Especially since these Colorful Enunciation-tools end up in the military. bad idea :-\
This boils my blood :rant: being a huge fan of Gerber MTs, most because some people will actually think this is representative of Gerber's product.... !@$*%Yeah...they are great tools. I'm still trying to figure out how to convince Chako to trade me his yellow and black one.... :D
I know it's really bad and all that, but if anyone has a spare one............:D
I know it's really bad and all that, but if anyone has a spare one............
I know it's really bad and all that, but if anyone has a spare one............
Funny you mention that Dave...I just happen to have two extra. The seller finally agreed to refund me the amount of $40.00. I paid $25.99 each for the two I bought for a total of $51.98. It would cost me $13.45 to ship them back to him, so he made the offer of letting me keep them and he'd refund me my total minus what it would cost me to ship them back. So...case closed. I've contacted all that should know about this seller, so that is that.
So...as I was saying...I now have two of these tools. Wanna trade? :D Also Chako, if you move to get your money back, I'll trade you the other one! LOL!
I know it's really bad and all that, but if anyone has a spare one............
Funny you mention that Dave...I just happen to have two extra. The seller finally agreed to refund me the amount of $40.00. I paid $25.99 each for the two I bought for a total of $51.98. It would cost me $13.45 to ship them back to him, so he made the offer of letting me keep them and he'd refund me my total minus what it would cost me to ship them back. So...case closed. I've contacted all that should know about this seller, so that is that.
So...as I was saying...I now have two of these tools. Wanna trade? :D Also Chako, if you move to get your money back, I'll trade you the other one! LOL!
i hope you stick it to the seller in eBay Feedback though, he/she obviously is concerned about looking "legit"
... The eBay seller is called hugewish....
Unfortunately, I left them a good review before I took a really close look at it. I jumped the gun on this one. :-[
I have contacted eBay however and notified them of the goings on. I am quite pleased with it for the price. I did have my suspicions, but I must say, they aren't that bad quality wise for a fake. Once I opened the tool, the saw was a dead giveaway. Then I started to look online and found a few sites with different photos. The more I dug, the more I realized it was a fake. Then I went over it with a fine tooth comb comparing with my other Gerbers and quickly put together this thread to warn others about this one.
I won't fight the seller for 23 dollars. I have bought worse quality tools for more unfortunately. :( I did tell him he is selling fakes...he hasn't responded yet.
So long as everyone is warned about it, and Gerber knows about it, I have no qualms adding this one to the collection.
My DET is not here yet but recieved this email from the seller today.
"My friend , I just be told by some buyer , that the item I sold to you maybe not a real one. When you receive it , please send back it to me, I will make full refund to you. Sorry for all the troubles I made,and thanks for your help. I don't mean to cheat anyone of my buyer. Thanks."
Well after phoning eBay and talking with one of their agents. It seems that I was offered the same deal with the 10 dollars refund. I took it. :)
That makes for a nice cheap example of a fairly good fake.
Fisting_Chili, I also opened a case against him shortly after you did. :salute:
Bob, looks like it.
Got this email a couple hours after the last one.
"When you receive the message ,please connect me.
And if you like the item and feel worth the price, you could keep it. And I'd like to send back 10USD to slove the problem. And hope you could just leave me a positive feedback."
I think he had to know at some point what he was selling. If not the very beginning, then after all the complaints of fakes started.
Got this email a couple hours after the last one.
"When you receive the message ,please connect me.
And if you like the item and feel worth the price, you could keep it. And I'd like to send back 10USD to slove the problem. And hope you could just leave me a positive feedback."
You guys think there is ANY chance this seller didn't know he was selling fakes and is a victim himself? I find it weird that he originally offered to let me keep the tools and give me a partial refund, but once I refused to cancel my negative feedback, he changed his mind and insisted he needs both tools back so he can take them all back to the factory for refund....BUT....that he is still offering partial refunds to both you and Chako. Hmmm....
Do they still have the "Ask seller a question" option for Ebay auctions? If so, you could ask "Why are you selling fakes?" for all to see... :-\They still have it. But even if he answers it won't show up on the auction page unless he wants it to. Its an option
Got this email a couple hours after the last one.
"When you receive the message ,please connect me.
And if you like the item and feel worth the price, you could keep it. And I'd like to send back 10USD to slove the problem. And hope you could just leave me a positive feedback."
You guys think there is ANY chance this seller didn't know he was selling fakes and is a victim himself? I find it weird that he originally offered to let me keep the tools and give me a partial refund, but once I refused to cancel my negative feedback, he changed his mind and insisted he needs both tools back so he can take them all back to the factory for refund....BUT....that he is still offering partial refunds to both you and Chako. Hmmm....
Not only does he know they are fakes, he is also selling other tools as Gerbers, when they aren't. He bookends the name brand between black stars, telling me that it is a fake Item. If you look at his items, Gerber isn't the only name brand being ripped off.
Likewise, he is selling one of these tools.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/IMG_0802small.jpg)
At least it doesn't have Gerber on the tool, but he calls it a Gerber and it is between those black stars to draw attention to that fact.
The guy is guilty of peddling known fakes.
Not only does he know they are fakes, he is also selling other tools as Gerbers, when they aren't. He bookends the name brand between black stars, telling me that it is a fake Item. If you look at his items, Gerber isn't the only name brand being ripped off.
Likewise, he is selling one of these tools.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/IMG_0802small.jpg)
At least it doesn't have Gerber on the tool, but he calls it a Gerber and it is between those black stars to draw attention to that fact.
The guy is guilty of peddling known fakes.
Not only does he know they are fakes, he is also selling other tools as Gerbers, when they aren't. He bookends the name brand between black stars, telling me that it is a fake Item. If you look at his items, Gerber isn't the only name brand being ripped off.
Likewise, he is selling one of these tools.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/IMG_0802small.jpg)
At least it doesn't have Gerber on the tool, but he calls it a Gerber and it is between those black stars to draw attention to that fact.
The guy is guilty of peddling known fakes.
HOW is that Lansky a fake? Because it doesnt come from Lansky? It's the same exact tool.
http://www.worldtools.com/tools/lansky-function-multitool-p-5996.html
I can tell you this eBay seller probably has a direct contact at the Chinese factory that Lansky's "sourcing agent" used; it's one of the pitfalls of sourcing from China.
I can tell you this eBay seller probably has a direct contact at the Chinese factory that Lansky's "sourcing agent" used; it's one of the pitfalls of sourcing from China.
Well one thing I noticed right off the bat looking at your link is that the Lansky in this photo has the words facing the opposite direction. Instead of them facing in toward each other, they face outward, away from each other. Probably just another well conceived fake made of inferior materials and inferior design.
Well one thing I noticed right off the bat looking at your link is that the Lansky in this photo has the words facing the opposite direction. Instead of them facing in toward each other, they face outward, away from each other. Probably just another well conceived fake made of inferior materials and inferior design.
that's a pretty generic Chinese MT to start with, and nobody is going to "tool up" to make a "fake" so they can move a few units on Ebay; they'd never recoup their investment.
THAT Lansky tool is a generic multitool; they either paid a sourcing agent to procure it or licensed their brand to someone like Alltrade. I seriously doubt anyone from Lansky has ever set foot inside that Chinese factory.
I LIVE in Yangjiang, China about 4 months out of the year to watch over production; rarely do I see any Americans, and if I do, they are there for 1-2 days max. Can't blame em, it's a sh*thole city, not even a McDonalds.
Like the other poster mentioned, this seems to be a Chinese supplier issue, selling unauthorized versions, maybe even ones that failed QC inspection. But the notion some factory would invest in all that tooling to make some replicas to sell on eBay (how else are they going to sell them?) is very naive.
Take a close look at the fasteners on the "fake" Gerber and see how they resemble these other tools the seller posted? someone is dipping in the same parts pin if u ask me.
I haven't compared closely against the Carolina stuff coming out of China nut it wouldn't shock me if these "Gerbers" were coming out the backdoor.
Just my $.02
That "fake" Gerber is def unauthorized :rofl:
I'm just suggesting that the source of the problem probably has ties to Gerber's Chinese supplier network.
Also, just to clarify, I'm a merely offering an informed opinion (hopefully); I don't have any hard evidence in this case. But then again, solving their headaches isn't part of MY job description.
8)
Now...do you think I can sell these on ebay if I list them as Gerber fakes??? :rofl:
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Its all about presentation :PNeil's on the sauce again ::) :DTitle: Genuine INFAMOUS Gerber FAKES!!!
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You know you'll regret it if you don't win this, there are no second chances. You've followed the drama, now's your chance to be part of it.
Just a slight headache actually :twak:So have I now >:( :D
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Mine is a real Lansky. I checked Lansky’s official site when I bought it and it matched.
That tool is generic. All those examples are basically the same tool made by the same factory, with different cosmetics specific to the buyer.
That is because that middle one is what the seller is selling as a Gerber...which it isn't. I bought that one somewhere in town for a song and a dance. It wasn't pretending to be anything other then what it is. The Lansky is real, and was in the right packaging and all. I got that one from the local gun shop. The other is another version of the same tool. It is a very common type of tool that can be found with plenty of cosmetic variations. The tools inside of these are all the same though.
That seller is using the middle cheap tool and trying to tell people it is a Gerber. If you don't know what your looking for, some unsuspecting person might think it is a Suspension or some other like shaped Gerber.
Seeing that eBay hasn't done anything to this guy, it looks like they are quite happy in getting their fees from him above making the um....er...."eBay experience" a safe one for buyers.
This is highly likely an example of why you have to really watch what is happening with overseas production. It can happen with any outsourced production, but overseas where you are not there watching, it can really show up. There have been companies ruined by the clones that rolled off of unsupervised lines. They transferred the technology and were transferred out of business.
It is just too easy when there is no one around to walk the product out of the back door. If nothing happens then it just gets worse until you see your product sitting at half price next to your official one. Then they say sorry and go on to the next sucker.
This is not a Xenophopic chant, I have seen good stuff done off shore or by contract, honestly, but usually to get it, you pay a premium to get it, have your people there and on a first name basis with the company, and/or own the plant. When outsourcing, it is very much buyer beware and requires more effort than most companies realize. It is not just the MBA attitude, lets get of that troublesome, dirty plant and rake in the dough, it is harder work wth the travel as running that dirty, troublesome plant or you end up in a process that starts with Chapter and ends with 11 or 7.
My vote goes for this one walked out the back door.
Mine showed up today. Couple pics beside the real one..
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu305/horsehunter64/dscn1581.jpg)
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu305/horsehunter64/dscn1585.jpg)
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu305/horsehunter64/dscn1595.jpg)
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That is an MP400, which is smaller than the MP600 line. Comparing the fake 600 D.E.T. to a smaller tool makes no sense when the fake is the same size as the real 600.
Different plier head mold though. And different handle stamping dies. And different blades. And different slide lock releases.
No they aren't. The tools have subtle differences, even to the genuine MP 600. There is a slight difference in shapes, etc. Definitely in thickness. They are thinner than any Geber tool found on the 400/600 line.Agreed. Everything is close. But nothing is exactly the same.
MultiMat, if you look closely on yours, you will also note that the fasteners are not exact either. Bloody close, but they do not match my other MP 600s.
Yeah, it is a good fake. Surprisingly well made at that considering its lack of a pedigree.
No they aren't. The tools have subtle differences, even to the genuine MP 600. There is a slight difference in shapes, etc. Definitely in thickness. They are thinner than any Geber tool found on the 400/600 line.Agreed. Everything is close. But nothing is exactly the same.
MultiMat, if you look closely on yours, you will also note that the fasteners are not exact either. Bloody close, but they do not match my other MP 600s.
Yeah, it is a good fake. Surprisingly well made at that considering its lack of a pedigree.
Finally something we can all agree on :shrug: :DDifferent plier head mold though. And different handle stamping dies. And different blades. And different slide lock releases.
OK one thing is clear than , I am a complete fool :D :D :D :D :D :D :( :P
Finally something we can all agree on :shrug: :DDifferent plier head mold though. And different handle stamping dies. And different blades. And different slide lock releases.
OK one thing is clear than , I am a complete fool :D :D :D :D :D :D :( :P
:rofl: yep :D :D.
If someone tracks down the 'Fake Fu#king Fu$ked Up Friskars Fine Establishment of Fakes ' company I would like to contact them to see if they would make me a copy of the 10th Anniversary PST :P :P :D :D
:rofl: yep :D :D.
If someone tracks down the 'Fake Fu#king Fu$ked Up Friskars Fine Establishment of Fakes ' company I would like to contact them to see if they would make me a copy of the 10th Anniversary PST :P :P :D :D
:rofl: yep :D :D.
If someone tracks down the 'Fake Fu#king Fu$ked Up Friskars Fine Establishment of Fakes ' company I would like to contact them to see if they would make me a copy of the 10th Anniversary PST :P :P :D :D
I wonder if the gold paint will be dry yet before hugewish has them up on eBay? ::) :D
Do you think the do TiNi SOGs too.. ?? :P :P :D :D:rofl: yep :D :D.
If someone tracks down the 'Fake Fu#king Fu$ked Up Friskars Fine Establishment of Fakes ' company I would like to contact them to see if they would make me a copy of the 10th Anniversary PST :P :P :D :D
I wonder if the gold paint will be dry yet before hugewish has them up on eBay? ::) :D
Bob you do a disservice to the FFFUFFEOF company , their minimum production standards would not allow simple gold paint :twak: :twak:.
I think they would use some kind of toxic gold colored plaiting that fads too poo brown in 6months ;) :D :P :D :D :D
Allan we really need a contact , so we can ask :D :D :D :DWe're gonna be soo rich... :cheers:
eBay shields the Chinese sellers from legal action via trademark/patent infringement; much easier to penalize someone selling this merchandise from the US.
eBay shields the Chinese sellers from legal action via trademark/patent infringement; much easier to penalize someone selling this merchandise from the US.
How? How do they shield them? ???
eBay shields the Chinese sellers from legal action via trademark/patent infringement; much easier to penalize someone selling this merchandise from the US.
How? How do they shield them? ???
how is Gerber going to sue them? In China? :rofl:
Gerber can have these listings removed, simply by asking ebay to remove them.
Whitby and Co (UK importers of Leatherman, Maglite, Buck etc) actually have a person / team that trawl the internet looking for things like this so they can close them down. I'd have thought that Gerber would too.
Has anyone told Gerber about these fakes?
Gerber can have these listings removed, simply by asking ebay to remove them.
Whitby and Co (UK importers of Leatherman, Maglite, Buck etc) actually have a person / team that trawl the internet looking for things like this so they can close them down. I'd have thought that Gerber would too.
Has anyone told Gerber about these fakes?
I took them over to Gerber in person and spoke with one of their people. They were already aware of these people and looking into legal action. For some reason, I don't think it is as easy as just asking ebay to shut them down because I'm sure they already did and the ads are still up...and still going up.
I also contacted Harley Davidson to have them look into those Harley Davidson multitools the same seller is peddling. Also contacted the owners of the real webpage, whose screenshot the fake sellers stole and doctored to show the counterfeits and they told me they were not pleased and would contact ebay.
Yet the ads still go up?
Gerber can have these listings removed, simply by asking ebay to remove them.
Whitby and Co (UK importers of Leatherman, Maglite, Buck etc) actually have a person / team that trawl the internet looking for things like this so they can close them down. I'd have thought that Gerber would too.
Has anyone told Gerber about these fakes?
I took them over to Gerber in person and spoke with one of their people. They were already aware of these people and looking into legal action. For some reason, I don't think it is as easy as just asking ebay to shut them down because I'm sure they already did and the ads are still up...and still going up.
I also contacted Harley Davidson to have them look into those Harley Davidson multitools the same seller is peddling. Also contacted the owners of the real webpage, whose screenshot the fake sellers stole and doctored to show the counterfeits and they told me they were not pleased and would contact ebay.
Yet the ads still go up?
Precisely the point Ive been trying to make. Ebay gives these rogue sellers a safe haven to do business.
You can shut down 1 seller account, then another 1 will pop up in its place.
IMO, the only to root out the problem is to address it from the supply chain side.
Gerber can have these listings removed, simply by asking ebay to remove them.
Whitby and Co (UK importers of Leatherman, Maglite, Buck etc) actually have a person / team that trawl the internet looking for things like this so they can close them down. I'd have thought that Gerber would too.
Has anyone told Gerber about these fakes?
I took them over to Gerber in person and spoke with one of their people. They were already aware of these people and looking into legal action. For some reason, I don't think it is as easy as just asking ebay to shut them down because I'm sure they already did and the ads are still up...and still going up.
I also contacted Harley Davidson to have them look into those Harley Davidson multitools the same seller is peddling. Also contacted the owners of the real webpage, whose screenshot the fake sellers stole and doctored to show the counterfeits and they told me they were not pleased and would contact ebay.
Yet the ads still go up?
Precisely the point Ive been trying to make. Ebay gives these rogue sellers a safe haven to do business.
You can shut down 1 seller account, then another 1 will pop up in its place.
IMO, the only to root out the problem is to address it from the supply chain side.
But its not even a different seller. Its the same Hugewish guy that still has his account active and still puts up more ads. Its almost like no action at all has been taken against him
ebay shut me down quick enough, based on a very dodgy instruction from Whitby's ???
I was told by ebay that when they receive any complaint, they suspend the listings and worry about it later!
ebay shut me down quick enough, based on a very dodgy instruction from Whitby's ???
I was told by ebay that when they receive any complaint, they suspend the listings and worry about it later!
perhaps the Ebay.uk fellas actually do their jobs :multi:
im a bit of a clotheshorse, and i can tell you there are sheer oceans of counterfeit designer goods floating on eBay auctions at anytime - so obvious too
it's why i prefer to buy stuff off Styleforum.net - the admin & membership there does a great job of flushing out fakes.
one just sold on ebay.ca for 30 bucks plus 12 shipping. IDENTICAL to Chako's and............Hugewish!
one just sold on ebay.ca for 30 bucks plus 12 shipping. IDENTICAL to Chako's and............Hugewish!
Hugewish is no longer a registered member on ebay.
WH867
as of like just now? or as of a long time?
it was .ca not .com
sorry, I was a bit confused by your phrasing
WH867It happened Sometime between late last night and noon today . I was going to leave feedback for him today and found out I no longer can do that.
as of like just now? or as of a long time?
it was .ca not .com
sorry, I was a bit confused by your phrasing
http://cgi.ebay.com/Gerber-Multi-Plier-600-Yellow-Lumilite-AA-Flashlight_W0QQitemZ370214809132QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item563285ae2cThose are real. I bought one of the yellow set (Damn you Chako!!!). One thing to, is I look at the seller rating and with both of theirs in the thousands, I'd trust it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Gerber-Multi-Plier-600-Black-Needle-Nose-Sheath-NEW_W0QQitemZ380220000809QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5886e0ca29
both sellers are US-based, but the price (Buy It Now for less than $35) and qty (more than 10 available) make me wonder :think:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Gerber-Multi-Plier-600-Yellow-Lumilite-AA-Flashlight_W0QQitemZ370214809132QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item563285ae2cThose are real. I bought one of the yellow set (Damn you Chako!!!). One thing to, is I look at the seller rating and with both of theirs in the thousands, I'd trust it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Gerber-Multi-Plier-600-Black-Needle-Nose-Sheath-NEW_W0QQitemZ380220000809QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5886e0ca29
both sellers are US-based, but the price (Buy It Now for less than $35) and qty (more than 10 available) make me wonder :think:
Just got one of these DET's in via Australia (thanks MAT!) and sure enough its fake as a three dollar bill. :P Every single component - at least 20 different parts - has been copied and remade. Nothing is original Gerber. An amazingly thorough job of counterfeiting to be sure. But the clues are there and easy to spot once you know what to look for.Who'd you buy from? The seller? Is it the same guy? Thats cool you can take it all apart like that and I agree ...they are damn well made fakes, but fakes none the less. I hope no service personnel bought them to use in the field...
The plier head for instance looks good at arms length, but I wonder how well the crimper jaws would really work? The crimp profile is much better formed on the genuine article:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/FakeDET1.jpg)
You guys have already pointed out the other major shortcomings in the handles and blades. One other thing worth mentioning though is the slider spring-clips. They are barely held on on the fake model! I was able to pop them off easily with just my fingernail. No way you could do this on a real Gerber! :o
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/FakeDET2.jpg)
Once apart, you can see other differences between a real Gerber plier head casting and the fake one.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/FakeDET4.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/FakeDET3.jpg)
Agreed.
Most fakes only need to dupe the unwary online for the sell.
I know about the easy disassembly. I did that to mine the other day. It goes back together as easy as it comes apart. :D
I do like these fakes though. I have a Mammut that should make landfall sometime in the next 2 to 3 weeks.
Agreed.
Most fakes only need to dupe the unwary online for the sell.
I know about the easy disassembly. I did that to mine the other day. It goes back together as easy as it comes apart. :D
I do like these fakes though. I have a Mammut that should make landfall sometime in the next 2 to 3 weeks.
Mammut? ???
Haha, how do you get "fake wave" from "mammut"??Agreed.
Most fakes only need to dupe the unwary online for the sell.
I know about the easy disassembly. I did that to mine the other day. It goes back together as easy as it comes apart. :D
I do like these fakes though. I have a Mammut that should make landfall sometime in the next 2 to 3 weeks.
Mammut? ???
Fake (junk) Wave :P
Mammut is German for mammoth, and is also the name of an import company. What comes out the back end of the mammoth is the crap Wave knock off they sell:Ahhh...thats pretty funny and clever!
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,5657.0.html
Just got one of these DET's in via Australia (thanks MAT!) and sure enough its fake as a three dollar bill. :P Every single component - at least 20 different parts - has been copied and remade. Nothing is original Gerber. An amazingly thorough job of counterfeiting to be sure. But the clues are there and easy to spot once you know what to look for.
The plier head for instance looks good at arms length, but I wonder how well the crimper jaws would really work? The crimp profile is much better formed on the genuine article:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/FakeDET1.jpg)
You guys have already pointed out the other major shortcomings in the handles and blades. One other thing worth mentioning though is the slider spring-clips. They are barely held on on the fake model! I was able to pop them off easily with just my fingernail. No way you could do this on a real Gerber! :o
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/FakeDET2.jpg)
Once apart, you can see other differences between a real Gerber plier head casting and the fake one.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/FakeDET4.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/FakeDET3.jpg)
does the fake accept the real plier head?
just curious
What crafty little buggers!
Also, I didn't know it was that easy to take out the plier, now more mod ideas just came into my head :ahhh
so many mods and I have not yet finished one!! :ahhh
Well it didn't take long for our boy to find himself back on eBay.
http://cgi.ebay.ca/GERBER-MULTI-TOOL-PLIER-STAINLESS-CARBIDE-CUTTER-H1_W0QQitemZ180490738622QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2a06161bbe
Now goes by the name mamawed2009 from China.
Note the stars around the name brand in the title...a dead giveaway. This item is fake. Note the USA that is painted on as opposed to punched into the handles. That sheath is made of thin materials also.
I reported him for all the good that will do.
so much for eBay stepping in huh? now the seller has a perfect 100% feedback rating again :think:
so much for eBay stepping in huh? now the seller has a perfect 100% feedback rating again :think:
I've pulled up that seller's for sale items and for each of the Gerbers, have reported the items as fake.
so much for eBay stepping in huh? now the seller has a perfect 100% feedback rating again :think:
I've pulled up that seller's for sale items and for each of the Gerbers, have reported the items as fake.
no doubt, but my point remains, eBay helps provide a safe haven for these types of sellers - which is why, IMHO, the only way to root out the problem is to address it from the supply chain side
Is it just me, or does reading this thread make anyone else want to specifically seek out a fake Gerber MT at a smoking low cost? :)
:angel:
Reading about how horrible the fake rescue tool was made me want to get one...
...so I did :D
Just ordered MP600 DET on eBay for $44, remembering this thread I scrutinized every picture very carefully and compared to pictures on this thread. At least I couldn't see any telltale clues that it would be a fake, so fingers crossed :)
Just ordered MP600 DET on eBay for $44, remembering this thread I scrutinized every picture very carefully and compared to pictures on this thread. At least I couldn't see any telltale clues that it would be a fake, so fingers crossed :)
Let us know how you get on mate. :tu:
Has anyone ever come across a MP400 fake ?Can't think I've ever heard of one. :think:
Cheers Gareth , seems strange that they picked the 600 DET to fake over more popular models :think:
Well, now the fakes have made their way to DealExtreme http://dx.com/p/8-in-1-stainless-steel-multi-tool-kit-black-41840
Doesn't claim to be MP600 DET or even Gerber but... :facepalm:
Yep, that's a generic photo for sure. :-\
Although I do not recall seeing any counterfeit MP400 tools on the market........yet......? :P
At first glance the picture looks OK, but that's a very stock looking shot. No way to say for sure that the tool you get would definitely look like that. :shrug:
Sorry to hear that Daz. I hope you didn't pay too much for it.
Sorry to hear that Daz. I hope you didn't pay too much for it.
No worries mate, I didn't buy it, they're asking $40 just thought I'd add it to the thread! :D
Hello guys, really new to this forum and to multitools.
I really want to buy a gerber multitool since i have had multiple occasions where i didn't have my toolbox with me because i wasn't working and i needed some tools.
Now, i found this seller on a website in my country(similar to ebay) and he is selling this thing for 25$ secondhand.
The title says the following : 215 GERBER tool DET
Here are some pictures.
I don't know if this is an obvious fake like the one in OP's post, since i am really new with these kind of tools.
Thanks in advance
Edited, I emailed the seller asking whether or not if its a real gerber, and if he has a receipt or whatever to prove it. waiting for a response now.
Thanks!
For the price i kind off new it was too good to be true.. i flagged it for the website to take a look at it.
Dont know if its bad going off topic here, but does anyone know what kind of multitools have that slide mechanism?
I was thinking about either buying the gerber 600, or a leatherman, not sure which though
How the heck would a batch of fake Gerbers get in the system?!! Someone on the fiddle? :shrug:
Found a rare and coveted (::)) fake stainless EOD on eBay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gerber-Multi-Purpose-Combination-Stretching-Plier-Tools-Equipment-with-nylon-Bag-/361380190370?hash=item5423f018a2
I've only seem the black fakes show up. Might be good for a collector (I'm no advocate for straight-up knockoffs).
Seen it, and bid on it (but I guess I will now have more competition ;) ) These turn up on fleabay every now and then.
Quote from: gregozedobeSeen it, and bid on it (but I guess I will now have more competition ;) ) These turn up on fleabay every now and then.
Doh! Wouldn't have posted it if I knew you had a bead on it. I doubt it's go for much, so it should be in your collection shortly.... :)
g***o ( 926)
Hopes that's you!!
Good score!
If you can't convince him, send me a PM and I can be a proxy ship address (I'm in the US).
Thank you for the kind offer, but I managed to get there via a most convoluted method ( I had to pretend to buy something else of the same value that was available to Oz buyers). As long as the correct tool gets here I guess all's well that ends well ;)
Very cool - post a pic or 2 when it shows up!Sorry, I don't do pics (technologically challenged)
Not sold as a Gerber, but check this out:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Outdoor-Portable-Stainless-Steel-Survival-Multi-Tool-Plier-Pocket-Carabiner-UATA-/391713122260?hash=item5b33ebe7d4:g:EEgAAOSwepJXVoss
updating with some pics for further ID and size comparo
(https://i.imgur.com/j1EyjSt.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nzRPoIU.jpg)
The DET knockoff I reviewed for my '$5 MT Challenge' has 'U.S.A.' stamped into it.
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75224.0.html
What it DIDN'T have was the word 'Stainless' stamped just in front of the locking tabs on the handles, which the real MP600s DO have.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4683/38648991124_e0a61987e1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21ThbxW)
The DET knockoff I reviewed for my '$5 MT Challenge' has 'U.S.A.' stamped into it.
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75224.0.html
What it DIDN'T have was the word 'Stainless' stamped just in front of the locking tabs on the handles, which the real MP600s DO have.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4683/38648991124_e0a61987e1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21ThbxW)
What I'm worried about is that they're getting better... That painted U.S.A. mark was easy to spot, but now since they are stamping it, it will be even harder to spot the fake :twak:
updating with some pics for further ID and size comparo
(https://i.imgur.com/j1EyjSt.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nzRPoIU.jpg)
Hey Tp, whats the one on the left in your last pic?
Can someone help me determine if I bought a fake?Pics would be helpfull.
I bought an MP600 on ebay
Came in a "Gerber" box with instructions and leather sheath.
It looks real to me accept it doesn't have a "U.S.A." stamp just very small dark printed characters 087118M
Does anyone have a picture of a box for comparison?
The leather sheath has no markings on it of any kind.
Any info would be greatly appreciated
This is my first Gerber so I am not sure what to look for
Thank you
Thank you for responding Lynn.The DET will speak up to the military fans/collectors. Which is probably a larger group then multitool lovers.
Yes the sheath is a simple dark leather NOT nylon type fabric.
It's strangle that only DET models have shown up as fakes. I would think the more main stream regular MP600 would be the model fakers would choose to copy for widespread sales
So wait, are there any real MP600s with that weird large awl and the goofy plier head? I thought *that* was the way to tell the fakes.Nope.
Charles.
So has anyone thought of grabbing one of the fakes, taking out that weird spear tool, turning it down in a lathe and pressing on a bit driver?
Charles.
Does anyone know if the tool screws work from these fakes in the real Gerber tools. I snapped one off my Center Drive and need to replace it. I know the one from the MP600 is the same but I don't want to tear apart a good MP600 just to tale the screws I need.
Interesting. Think it's worthwhile to alert Gerber to this?
A few years ago the firearms accessory the Grip Pod became an item that was issued to certain US Military members, over the course of time poorly made Chinese clones managed to get into the supply system and cause problems for frontline troops. Being that the EOD tool is sometimes issued and used by US Military personnel it may be worth an email to let Gerber know so they can make sure their supply line doesn't get compromised.
Hi guys,
I was searching for used multitools on ebay, stumbled across a seller in EU with some auctions of leathermans and gerbers (which is great for me, I won't pay duties and taxes on that purchase). So I got a bit too exited and placed bids on a leatherman and four mp600s. And now I'm a bit nervous about the gerbers being fake. Could you take a look at his listings and tell me if his gerbers are legit ? They seem fine to me, but then again the only gerber I own is a splice so I'm not sure I'll recognize a decent copy even if I hold it in my hands. Here is the link https://www.ebay.com/sch/tech-rec/m.html?item=114814803513&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 (https://www.ebay.com/sch/tech-rec/m.html?item=114814803513&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562)
As far as I can tell, all those MP600's look the real deal :cheers:Thank you, I red some about the differences myself and they seem to check out. Auctions end tonight, we'll see what ends up in my basket :D
Hi guys,
I was searching for used multitools on ebay, stumbled across a seller in EU with some auctions of leathermans and gerbers (which is great for me, I won't pay duties and taxes on that purchase). So I got a bit too exited and placed bids on a leatherman and four mp600s. And now I'm a bit nervous about the gerbers being fake. Could you take a look at his listings and tell me if his gerbers are legit ? They seem fine to me, but then again the only gerber I own is a splice so I'm not sure I'll recognize a decent copy even if I hold it in my hands. Here is the link https://www.ebay.com/sch/tech-rec/m.html?item=114814803513&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 (https://www.ebay.com/sch/tech-rec/m.html?item=114814803513&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562)
Thank you for the input. I didn't manage to get anything this time. Which reminded me why I only search for listings that have "buy now" price.
I know how the game is played, I just don't like it :)Quite understandable :)
what a review !
any pics so we can have our eyes bleeding of despair?