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Nice collection !
I like the pictures of the new DAK, especially because they are my fotos of my knife on my jeans jacket :D .
Thanks ! :cheers: (I hope it did not look like self-praise :think:)
By the way: Yesterday I got a reply from Victorinox concerning some questions about knives for the dutch army. One of my questions was if there really were alox-knives with the letters KM on the scales. But in their listing was no such knife. Though it was not a clear answer to my question, it looks like there are no knives with the letters "KM". Also I have never seen any, just heard rumors.
Have you really seen such an alox knife ? Or do you have proof that such a knife exists ?
That`s possible. I have seen boxes full of old dutch alox knives on a fleamarket in Amsterdam, but none of them had "KM" on the scales (and they were all in very bad shape).
(http://sakwiki.com/show_image.php?id=1179)
So when and where can we actually buy the new DAK!!! My Military 111mm collection is crying out for it :D
Where did you get that KL81? I would really like to own one myself (it's my birth year) :)
Last year we disussed in this thread whether KM-stamped alox DAKs exist or not. Meanwhile I had found one. I had already posted this picture in a different thread but I think it fits in here well. After I found it I asked Victorinox again about these knives but they have absolutely no information about the KM knives. They assume that these were probably only made in 1987.
I have an Amefa alox KL82 with brass liners and a bail. Sounds like you might be right.
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Strange dont you think that Amefa had the contract first and yet were able to make a copy of the victorinox Pioneer apart from the tin opener and the silver cross that is?
The KL83 has a bail BTW
Wow, a KM87 knife just went for $187.50 on eBay :ahhh :ahhhI was actually surprised it went for so little. I expected > $300.
And it wasn't even in mint condition :)
oooh :gimme: im after one of those pouches. Did they only come with the 1993 version or the 2010 too? Reiner :pok:
Wheres Reinier when you need him :)
Ok so you're 100% sure Vic only made the Centurion DAK and current Dual Pro Dak?
ok :D I will have to get one of those Van zwandenberg ones. Not sure if they are hard to get now from surplus stores or what ever.
The Dutch army sure has some nice equipment, have you guys ever seen a Belgian Army pocket knife ... ::)
I'm embarassed to show it here. By the way, I don't own one, it's just a pic from the internet. I saw these once at a market, and they look just as awful in real life ... :-[.
(http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx39/Rikske77/Zakmes_ABL.jpg)
Nice! There are a lot of different versions of those brown Amefa ones. Also, the Fosco DAK was never issued. The Zwanenberg model is a piece of junk, no offense ;)
Oh I guess that was already mentioned in this thread.
Nice ones osos. :cheers:
The DAK I find most interesting is the Amefa from '74 for its unique tool loadout not seen in Vic ALOX models.
Never seen one in the flesh. It's my holy grail.:drool: :drool: :drool:
There is a member here who has one. Can't remember who but I did steal his pics: :facepalm:
(http://www.vicfan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/victorinox-klu-saks.jpg)
Here's my DAK, I get to keep this one, as it was a pressie :D:D
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/goodiesfromdunc.jpg)
Too bad he hasn't been around for a long time.
Reading up on the master craftsman, sak wiki states that the Dutch navy and Air Force had a blue alox version http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Master+Craftsman
Anyone got one, seen one?
It looks in great condition!
It says "Property of the Royal Navy". You are not supposed to have that, you should send it to me so I can return it to them :whistle:
It looks in great condition!
It says "Property of the Royal Navy". You are not supposed to have that, you should send it to me so I can return it to them :whistle:
It looks in great condition!
It says "Property of the Royal Navy". You are not supposed to have that, you should send it to me so I can return it to them :whistle:
I'm just real glad there's an ocean and a continent between you and it. :D
It looks in great condition!
It says "Property of the Royal Navy". You are not supposed to have that, you should send it to me so I can return it to them :whistle:
I'm just real glad there's an ocean and a continent between you and it. :D
:D
Actually we are planning a vacation in Wyoming, that's pretty close...
It looks in great condition!
It says "Property of the Royal Navy". You are not supposed to have that, you should send it to me so I can return it to them :whistle:
I'm just real glad there's an ocean and a continent between you and it. :D
:D
Actually we are planning a vacation in Wyoming, that's pretty close...
AAAAHHH!!! :ahhh
I'm still looking for one of the Duel pro style DAK.....hard to find now it seems....might just have to settle on a duel pro to carry me over. I like the 111mm frames and wanted to add to my GAK some other military 111mm's
Nice, probably another one from Willem?
Edit: yes I recognize his pictures :)
BTW, good luck with the DAK auction Reinier! :tu:
Nice, probably another one from Willem?
Edit: yes I recognize his pictures :)
Yes, I steal 2 of his photos :-P
I found this amefa today, it has just the letters KL no numbers and the two picks are at oposite sides of the house... annyone no annything about that?
Nice find. I found zero SAKs today at King's Day market.
:like: Very nice!!!
I will reviev a little bit this topic.
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These are the DAKs i currently have...
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:salute:These are the DAKs i currently have...
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That's great! :salute:
Just wanted to ask, is the knife on the right side of the picture genuine? Looks like a One Handed Trekker (left handed)Looks genuine to me. It would be an early one, judging by the elongated thumb hole.
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didn't know there was a DAK version for the OHT. Thx for the help. :cheers:Just wanted to ask, is the knife on the right side of the picture genuine? Looks like a One Handed Trekker (left handed)Looks genuine to me. It would be an early one, judging by the elongated thumb hole.
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Edit: I can't imagine a copycat producing lefthanders, as the market for these would be quite smallish..
I wouldn't be surprised to see other models with DAK scales. It's the first time I see a lefthander though. What about the tang stamps? Vic or Zwanenburg?didn't know there was a DAK version for the OHT. Thx for the help. :cheers:Just wanted to ask, is the knife on the right side of the picture genuine? Looks like a One Handed Trekker (left handed)Looks genuine to me. It would be an early one, judging by the elongated thumb hole.
Edit: I can't imagine a copycat producing lefthanders, as the market for these would be quite smallish..
I wouldn't be surprised to see other models with DAK scales. It's the first time I see a lefthander though. What about the tang stamps? Vic or Zwanenburg?didn't know there was a DAK version for the OHT. Thx for the help. :cheers:Just wanted to ask, is the knife on the right side of the picture genuine? Looks like a One Handed Trekker (left handed)Looks genuine to me. It would be an early one, judging by the elongated thumb hole.
Edit: I can't imagine a copycat producing lefthanders, as the market for these would be quite smallish..
A friend posted this in facebook... still waiting for his reply...I wouldn't be surprised to see other models with DAK scales. It's the first time I see a lefthander though. What about the tang stamps? Vic or Zwanenburg?didn't know there was a DAK version for the OHT. Thx for the help. :cheers:Just wanted to ask, is the knife on the right side of the picture genuine? Looks like a One Handed Trekker (left handed)Looks genuine to me. It would be an early one, judging by the elongated thumb hole.
Edit: I can't imagine a copycat producing lefthanders, as the market for these would be quite smallish..
A friend posted this in facebook... still waiting for his reply...I wouldn't be surprised to see other models with DAK scales. It's the first time I see a lefthander though. What about the tang stamps? Vic or Zwanenburg?didn't know there was a DAK version for the OHT. Thx for the help. :cheers:Just wanted to ask, is the knife on the right side of the picture genuine? Looks like a One Handed Trekker (left handed)Looks genuine to me. It would be an early one, judging by the elongated thumb hole.
Edit: I can't imagine a copycat producing lefthanders, as the market for these would be quite smallish..
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Thanks for the enlightenment...:cheers:A friend posted this in facebook... still waiting for his reply...I wouldn't be surprised to see other models with DAK scales. It's the first time I see a lefthander though. What about the tang stamps? Vic or Zwanenburg?didn't know there was a DAK version for the OHT. Thx for the help. :cheers:Just wanted to ask, is the knife on the right side of the picture genuine? Looks like a One Handed Trekker (left handed)Looks genuine to me. It would be an early one, judging by the elongated thumb hole.
Edit: I can't imagine a copycat producing lefthanders, as the market for these would be quite smallish..
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When the Dutch army started issuing the new 111mm DAK in 1993 they simply ran out of supply. At that point some soldiers got a "civilian" version of the knife (Centurion) but they also issued a cheap knock-off of the DAK. That's probably the one jaya_man has (although i'm not sure because I have never seen one of the knock-offs). The cheap knock-off is said to be of inferior quality with a lot of blade play.
If nothing else, its making me realise how good alox is. This is going to cost more than 10 euros. :facepalm:
If nothing else, its making me realise how good alox is. This is going to cost more than 10 euros. :facepalm::rofl: I appreciate your self honesty P-Brizzle :salute:
That's a nice Amefa DAK :)
€ 10 seems like a good price :tu:
If nothing else, its making me realise how good alox is. This is going to cost more than 10 euros. :facepalm:
Looks like a cheap copy of a Richartz knife.
Commercial type DAK from German knife company ‘Herder’. Part of Dutch Army demolition kits. Nothing special.
Nice find! :cheers:
You are on a roll! :like:
Very interesting. Where did you find this?
Once upon a time Dutch military had no multitools at their disposal. Nevertheless soldiers had a strong need for them, so it was decided that some soldiers who were send on an "Out-of-Area" mission, were given multitools. For example EOD or engineers who joint IFOR, SFOR or KFOR were distributed multitools. The very first were Leatherman Classic Tools, or in military language "special tool M-631".
Later also Victorinox SwissTools (Original - 3.0323) were distributed. The Vic's were bought off-the-shelf and engraved with the mission and military unit name.
Another source told me that these engraved multitools were also obtained as a souvenir for the soldiers who were on that specific mission.
Correct me if I am wrong!
Today was my lucky day. I got one of these ultra rare Vic's!
This one is engraved "KFOR 1 C-cie". which probably translates to Kosovo Force 1st C-Company.
Today I found a unusual print in a "KL 93" DAK.
This type of knife is rather common, but I have never seen one with this extra imprint.
Seems to me that it is factory done.
Does anyone know the meaning of "T01" ??
Today I found a unusual print in a "KL 93" DAK.
This type of knife is rather common, but I have never seen one with this extra imprint.
Seems to me that it is factory done.
Does anyone know the meaning of "T01" ??
Today I received answer from Victorinox: The 'T01' code is unknown to them.
It is also unknown to the Dutch army.
As far as I and an acquainted friend think, the mark was factory made and not later imprinted, engraved or melted. My theory is that the T maybe stands for Test or Type.
In 1992 the Dutch army was looking for a replacement of the somewhat outdated Soldier/Pioneer. They also tested a Vic with slide lock, called the KL 92 model. And most likely also this Centurion (8453.4).
See pictures.
Maybe the T01 was a test version. Who knows?
Heheh, it's weird how the KL74 type is supposed to be rare..Look closer... It's not KL74 it's KLu74.
I mean, it's the one and only DAK type that I've ever seen in the flesh.
(or would that be in the metal?)
:doh: :doh:Heheh, it's weird how the KL74 type is supposed to be rare..Look closer... It's not KL74 it's KLu74.
I mean, it's the one and only DAK type that I've ever seen in the flesh.
(or would that be in the metal?)
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:doh: :doh:Heheh, it's weird how the KL74 type is supposed to be rare..Look closer... It's not KL74 it's KLu74.
I mean, it's the one and only DAK type that I've ever seen in the flesh.
(or would that be in the metal?)
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That is rare indeed. :tu:
A similar blue Wenger was sold here in the Netherlands one week ago for at least € 50. For me it was too expensive. Maybe I just don't have my priorities sorted out right :oops:
I have never seen a KLu74 in real life, nor the KLU63 and KLU65. I have only one: the KLU64.
How is it possible that someone in Poland acquires all these rare DAK's?? You are sucking up our national heritage!! Stop!! :cheers:
Just kidding,! It's very appreciated that you share your knowledge with the SAK community. Thanks!
I have never seen a KLu74 in real life, nor the KLU63 and KLU65. I have only one: the KLU64.
How is it possible that someone in Poland acquires all these rare DAK's?? You are sucking up our national heritage!! Stop!! :cheers:
Just kidding,! It's very appreciated that you share your knowledge with the SAK community. Thanks!
Once upon a time Dutch military had no multitools at their disposal. Nevertheless soldiers had a strong need for them, so it was decided that some soldiers who were send on an "Out-of-Area" mission, were given multitools. For example EOD or engineers who joint IFOR, SFOR or KFOR were distributed multitools. The very first were Leatherman Classic Tools, or in military language "special tool M-631".
Later also Victorinox SwissTools (Original - 3.0323) were distributed. The Vic's were bought off-the-shelf and engraved with the mission and military unit name.
Another source told me that these engraved multitools were also obtained as a souvenir for the soldiers who were on that specific mission.
Correct me if I am wrong!
Today was my lucky day. I got one of these ultra rare Vic's!
This one is engraved "KFOR 1 C-cie". which probably translates to Kosovo Force 1st C-Company.
With the help of a Dutch fellow collector I found out the meaning of the inscription "KFOR 1 C-cie".
From December 1999 to 31 april 2000 a Dutch Field Artillery unit (41 Afd. Veldartillerie) was deployed in Kosovo as part of KFOR.
The unit was reinforced with a reconnaissance platoon named "1e peloton C-compagnie 42 Bataljon Limburgse Jagers ‘Eagles’ (42 PAINFBAT)".
With the help of a Dutch fellow collector I found out the meaning of the inscription "KFOR 1 C-cie".
From December 1999 to 31 april 2000 a Dutch Field Artillery unit (41 Afd. Veldartillerie) was deployed in Kosovo as part of KFOR.
The unit was reinforced with a reconnaissance platoon named "1e peloton C-compagnie 42 Bataljon Limburgse Jagers ‘Eagles’ (42 PAINFBAT)".
I was deployed to Kosovo as part of the KFOR 1 (1999-2000) and KFOR 4 (2002-2003) rotations. Where's my knife?
:whistle:
Back on topic, here's my one and only DAK, from 1985 (the year I joined the US Army):
(https://i.imgur.com/RHCg1O9.jpg)
EMZ for those Victorinox I'm jealous like hell. It's hard to find them abroad.
For Zwanenburg are you sure that was produced in China? I know it for low quality, but I didn't hear where it was produced.
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Very nice theme!
:like:
and the KL92... :whistle:
Very nice theme!
:like:
and the KL92... :whistle:
What about it? :D
Very nice theme!
:like:
and the KL92... :whistle:
What about it? :D
I love it :whistle:
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That means I'm not the youngest here! :woohoo:
Very nice theme!
:like:
and the KL92... :whistle:
What about it? :D
I love it :whistle:
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I see :D
I'll try to think about it if I ever see another KL92 for sale.
Hes probably not the youngest either. :shrug: :DThat means I'm not the youngest here! :woohoo:
Very nice theme!
:like:
and the KL92... :whistle:
What about it? :D
I love it :whistle:
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I see :D
I'll try to think about it if I ever see another KL92 for sale.
I know I'm not so that's good enough for me :DHes probably not the youngest either. :shrug: :DThat means I'm not the youngest here! :woohoo:
Very nice theme!
:like:
and the KL92... :whistle:
What about it? :D
I love it :whistle:
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I see :D
I'll try to think about it if I ever see another KL92 for sale.
I was just browsing eBay and saw quite a few of the DAK. Different varieties of the 110mm mostly.Prices of some knives on Ebay are not extremely high. Here in the Netherlands, if you're lucky, you can find the latest DAK type in new condition for about € 30-45 Euro's, including P&H. Pouches cost about € 5-7, if you can find a nice one.
Yes, the Bantam Ecoline is a genuine DAK.He just wanted a second then :D
Some years ago a friend of mine, who worked at the Navy base in Den Helder, lost his KL1993 knife. He ordered a new one, but was given this Bantam instead.
When I told him a year or so ago, that I collect DAK's, he gave me both the KL1993 and the Bantam... :think:
:like:
And I agree: KL 92's are nice!
But I am still looking for an excellent KL 85. And a KL 72 also...
At this very moment a Victorinox DAK KM 87 is for sale on a Dutch online auction site, called Marktplaats ('market place'). Bidding price now is an astonishing € 125.
Today the M 87 was sold for... € 210 ! (~260 dollar...)
It wasn't me! :o
At this very moment a Victorinox DAK KM 87 is for sale on a Dutch online auction site, called Marktplaats ('market place'). Bidding price now is an astonishing € 125.
Today the M 87 was sold for... € 210 ! (~260 dollar...)
Given the rarity I sort of understand.
I'm just glad I only paid about € 15 for mine :D
:sa:
At this very moment a Victorinox DAK KM 87 is for sale on a Dutch online auction site, called Marktplaats ('market place'). Bidding price now is an astonishing € 125.
Today the M 87 was sold for... € 210 ! (~260 dollar...)
Given the rarity I sort of understand.
I'm just glad I only paid about € 15 for mine :D
Here is a DAK model KL 1993 in official wooden gift box. It was supplied to or by the Dutch Army “Landmachtstaf” (Army Staff).
The knife has a gold painted crest and a special wooden gift box with printing “Landmacht. Landmachtstaf” (Army. Army Staff).This “Landmachtstaf” was up to 2005 the Staff organisation of the Dutch Army “Bevelhebber der Landstrijdkrachten (Commander of the Land Forces). In 2005 this staff organisation was abolished.
The tang stamp is the standard DE-GM / 9305297 on one side and ‘Victorinox Switserland’ on the other side. However, the fonts of the latter stamping are rather small, compared with other similar tang stampings.
It is not known wether this special version was made by Victorinox itself or by another company.
Three different style of DAK pouches. At most left is the pouch for the Zwanenburg 2007 DAK. Middle and right pouches are for Vic KL 2010 model.
All pouches have same NSN 8465-17-110-1750.
I'd guess with Alice Clips...
Today this absolute ugly beauty came in the mail: A genuine KL 95 Fosco!
According to the seller (an ex-army officer who also collects DAK's), the alox KL 95 Fosco knives were bought by the Army in 1995 because the Victorinox KL 1993 knives weren't available at the time. The Army's Defence Material Organisation (DMO) soon realized that the Fosco KL 95 knives were of extremely bad quality, so short after the release, the contract was cancelled, the knives were withdrawn from service and remaining stock was destroyed. Consequently these alox Fosco's are very rare.
Two slightly different types of plastic packings and manuals for DAK Victorinox 'KL 1993' model.
Both have 4th type of tang stamp. (See above.)
Two slightly different types of plastic packings and manuals for DAK Victorinox 'KL 1993' model.
Both have 4th type of tang stamp. (See above.)
Are the plastic pouches sealed? Would you have to damage them to get the knives out? :think:
Today this absolute ugly beauty came in the mail: A genuine KL 95 Fosco!
According to the seller (an ex-army officer who also collects DAK's), the alox KL 95 Fosco knives were bought by the Army in 1995 because the Victorinox KL 1993 knives weren't available at the time. The Army's Defence Material Organisation (DMO) soon realized that the Fosco KL 95 knives were of extremely bad quality, so short after the release, the contract was cancelled, the knives were withdrawn from service and remaining stock was destroyed. Consequently these alox Fosco's are very rare.
question to the DAK collectors,
here is my first bailed DAK I got today, and the first thing I noticed is the bail is not mounted on a hollow rivet as on my SI ('91) and Soldier (92) but on what looks like a drilled non-hollow one ?
(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=21658.0;attach=358959)
Wow! Who can resist busting that thing out of the plastic bag!I couldn't...
<3
and it is !<3
Looks in pristine condition! :2tu:
Decided to finally EDC this guy. I was a little hesitant as it is my only one, it was between this and an old red OC.... the red on the OC is and pretty darn good shape so I've decided to keep that one on the Shelf.
I'm finding a great amount of satisfaction in carrying the DAK... I like the older, thicker tools and the KL 92 on the scale.
Today this up to now unknown DAK came in!! :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
It's a Leatherman Tool plus leather pouch.
The pouch has the Netherlands Defence Force gold colored "Interservice" logo on the flap.
The tool is dated 0696 (or is it 9690??) on the inside of one handle.
On one of the handles it is marked with an US NSN: 5110-01-321-8805.
Decided to finally EDC this guy. I was a little hesitant as it is my only one, it was between this and an old red OC.... the red on the OC is and pretty darn good shape so I've decided to keep that one on the Shelf.M'Lord, I still have the '81 DAK tobsend you. I'll pop a pic up to show you. In the morning :salute:
I'm finding a great amount of satisfaction in carrying the DAK... I like the older, thicker tools and the KL 92 on the scale.
Decided to finally EDC this guy. I was a little hesitant as it is my only one, it was between this and an old red OC.... the red on the OC is and pretty darn good shape so I've decided to keep that one on the Shelf.
I'm finding a great amount of satisfaction in carrying the DAK... I like the older, thicker tools and the KL 92 on the scale.
Very nice find.......I believe that would be the PST as the PST2 has scissors. :tu:
Good idea! :tu:Very nice find.......I believe that would be the PST as the PST2 has scissors. :tu:
Yes, it is a PST. Thanks for letting me know!
Thanks to you and Mech I noticed that on the MTO Leatherman page there is a lot of information about de PST. I think I will post also a picture on that page.
Today this up to now unknown DAK came in!! :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
It's a Leatherman Tool plus leather pouch.
The pouch has the Netherlands Defence Force gold colored "Interservice" logo on the flap.
The tool is dated 0696 (or is it 9690??) on the inside of one handle.
On one of the handles it is marked with an US NSN: 5110-01-321-8805.
Question for the DAK experts: What is the earliest year for DAKs with stamped year-of-issue on it?
Thanks,
Myron
El-C's BY DAK:dd:
:tu: Your wish is my command Pabs :salute:El-C's BY DAK:dd:
That would look good in the amefa thread.
Grand! :cheers: :salute::tu: Your wish is my command Pabs :salute:El-C's BY DAK:dd:
That would look good in the amefa thread.
Question for the DAK experts: What is the earliest year for DAKs with stamped year-of-issue on it?
Thanks,
Myron
I believe that's 61
Question for the DAK experts: What is the earliest year for DAKs with stamped year-of-issue on it?
Thanks,
Myron
I believe that's 61
YES, it's definitely 61.
El-C's BY DAK
This one came in today: A Victorinox SwissTool (standard model) with special print on pouch.
The printed emblem on the pouch is from the Netherlands Army "11 Luchtmobiele Brigade" (=11 Air Mobile Brigade). This emblem was in use until 2005.
The tool has the 1996 style pliers head, so the knife is dated between 1996 to 2005.
+1 Very nice indeed! :tu:This one came in today: A Victorinox SwissTool (standard model) with special print on pouch.
The printed emblem on the pouch is from the Netherlands Army "11 Luchtmobiele Brigade" (=11 Air Mobile Brigade). This emblem was in use until 2005.
The tool has the 1996 style pliers head, so the knife is dated between 1996 to 2005.
Nice find! :salute:
This one came in today: A Victorinox SwissTool (standard model) with special print on pouch.
The printed emblem on the pouch is from the Netherlands Army "11 Luchtmobiele Brigade" (=11 Air Mobile Brigade). This emblem was in use until 2005.
The tool has the 1996 style pliers head, so the knife is dated between 1996 to 2005.
...
The tool has the 1996 style pliers head, so the knife is dated between 1996 to 2005.
Which ones?
If they're made by Amefa, they were just made more crude.
I didn't look to long on this topic.
Fantastic posts EMZ, keep going, lot's of information.
Finally my wife agree to made some nice cabin for my DAKs(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180929/f6a625e2727e6a69bf5f7dfaa46f98cc.jpg)
A 'KL 93' with rarely seen tang stamps: Front: VICTORINOX SWITZERLAND. Revers: STAINLESS ROSTFREII can not help with information, but that is a very nice tang stamp! :like: :tu:
Who knows more about this rare tang stamp?
A 'KL 93' with rarely seen tang stamps: Front: VICTORINOX SWITZERLAND. Revers: STAINLESS ROSTFREI
Who knows more about this rare tang stamp?
The latest addition to my collection: The Amefa KL 72 knife
It took me 4 years to find an affordable, nice specimen. Probably the KL72 is a little bit rare.
The only ones still missing are KLU 63 and KLU 74. The hunt continues!
The latest addition to my collection: The Amefa KL 72 knife
It took me 4 years to find an affordable, nice specimen. Probably the KL72 is a little bit rare.
The only ones still missing are KLU 63 and KLU 74. The hunt continues!
Last week I saw a KLU63 for sale on MP with broken blade
A 'KL 93' with rarely seen tang stamps: Front: VICTORINOX SWITZERLAND. Revers: STAINLESS ROSTFREIIt's not like Victorinox was using blades from different production!? For example blade that was made for production civil model nomad or centurion. I made this conclusion because well know tang stamp de-gm is not originally made for DAK.
Who knows more about this rare tang stamp?
There is a KLu 74 for sale at the moment but the current highest bid on it is €155 :ahhh
"Geen Victorinox". That's misusing a brand name.
"Geen Victorinox". That's misusing a brand name.
It is allowed on Marktplaats.
"Geen Victorinox". That's misusing a brand name.
It is allowed on Marktplaats.
?
Then why is there the option "Merkvergelijking in titel" when reporting a listing?
I know a seller who has a full plastic bag of Amefa KL knives...
Anything specific I should look for?
I always ignored them so far.
Lots of Alox models, but also the older fibre handles in there.
There is a KLu 74 for sale at the moment but the current highest bid on it is €155 :ahhh
There is a KLu 74 for sale at the moment but the current highest bid on it is €155 :ahhh
Today, the highest bid is a whopping € 210... and that price for a knife that is in a rather bad condition (broken blade tip, broken reamer tip, slightly bent screw driver).
A 'KL 93' with rarely seen tang stamps: Front: VICTORINOX SWITZERLAND. Revers: STAINLESS ROSTFREIIt's not like Victorinox was using blades from different production!? For example blade that was made for production civil model nomad or centurion. I made this conclusion because well know tang stamp de-gm is not originally made for DAK.
Who knows more about this rare tang stamp?
Nice KL72.
Keep my fingers crossed for finding KLu models. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190106/224d20ba381e2eeb25c813f00c742697.jpg)
Could be. We have some "havy" collectors."Geen Victorinox". That's misusing a brand name.
It is allowed on Marktplaats.
The highest bidder at the moment is someone named 'Van Polen'. I've never seen this name before bidding on knives. Could it be this bidder is from Poland...???
Could be. We have some "havy" collectors."Geen Victorinox". That's misusing a brand name.
It is allowed on Marktplaats.
The highest bidder at the moment is someone named 'Van Polen'. I've never seen this name before bidding on knives. Could it be this bidder is from Poland...???
Price are get wild. I always knew that besides hobby, it's a very good investment.
My KLu knives(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190116/fe51cb023cd6b9f74ce0b3b61b2f8366.jpg)
"It's a very good investment."...Sic. Not so rare model, but 11 euro... World get crazy.
I am not so sure. Yesterday I sold by auction on Ebay a near perfect Amefa KL 81. Highest bid was at only $ 11.50.
That knife I bought myself a while ago for about $ 19, so this one was definitely not a good investment!
"It's a very good investment."...
I am not so sure. Yesterday I sold by auction on Ebay a near perfect Amefa KL 81. Highest bid was at only $ 11.50.
That knife I bought myself a while ago for about $ 19, so this one was definitely not a good investment!
It is a great example! :like: :tu:
A free upgrade! I like that! :tu:It is a great example! :like: :tu:
Thanks :cheers:
Already sold the old one… for the same price as for which I bought the new one. So for me it's a free "upgrade" from a used KM87 to a mint condition KM87 :woohoo:
Very nice KM87, Glenfiddich! Mine is more like your previous specimen, but I still like it. :)Very nice! :like: :tu:
(https://i.imgur.com/iG6yeza.jpg)
Very nice KM87, Glenfiddich! Mine is more like your previous specimen, but I still like it. :)
(https://i.imgur.com/iG6yeza.jpg)
Newest addition is this all new and unused 2010 model DAK in its most complete form:Great find! :like: :tu:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190206/55d7d43037264470dfb54a1a7a45f35a.jpg)
Not only does it come with box and sheath, it also comes with the box that contained the box!
Boxception :ahhh
Did it come with the instructions/papers in Dutch?
(https://i.imgflip.com/2t0e1w.jpg)
Nice set indeed!
The larger box is rarely seen, because most of the time the soldiers order their knives from the computerized armed forces logistics order system. They get only the knife in its small box plus the manual, while the larger box stays at the armed forces warehouse (and where it will be thrown away when it's empty).
Here's mine.
Ah, the guy with seven Marktplaats aliases and 42 eBay accounts ;)
Jup, that’s him :D
Here are the three slightly different types of Victorinox Spirits for the Dutch Army.Nice :like: :tu:
Left one has a 2005 dated manual; middle one a 2013 dated manual; right one has a 2017 dated manual.
It is a small enigma, because the most recent one -at the right side- has an old type logo with a 'cross-less' pliers.
Dutch Army line worker set with Knipex pliers, "Richard Abr. Herder' knife and 'Agora' leather sheet.The United States Military has a similar set up that I have always wanted but could never find! Very nice set you have! :like: :tu:
Who knows something about the leather pouch which is stamped 'AGORA'.??
Here are the three slightly different types of Victorinox Spirits for the Dutch Army.
Left one has a 2005 dated manual; middle one a 2013 dated manual; right one has a 2017 dated manual.
It is a small enigma, because the most recent one -at the right side- has an old type logo with a 'cross-less' pliers.
Today I found a unusual print in a "KL 93" DAK.
This type of knife is rather common, but I have never seen one with this extra imprint.
Seems to me that it is factory done.
Does anyone know the meaning of "T01" ??
A while ago I posted a message about the KL 1993 model with "T01" inscription.
Another Dutch collector has a second one (see pic). He's an retired Dutch Marine who got this T01 many years ago from a Dutch Commando. It was a test model, so the 'T' probably means 'test'.
I wonder how many of these test-models were made. Yesterday I received this one with T56 :D
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190227/d9ce0e3965dbc8f744c2827f651c6380.jpg)
???????????? :think:
What's the tang stamp??
Considering it probably is a very normal, newer type of tang stamp, I doubt if these are testing models.
Nothing special about the tang stamp in my opinion:Nice close up of the scales! :like: :tu:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190228/ee1a7c414cb25d6b5ac3e81ed25703cf.jpg)
Glenfiddich, did the knife came with a story or something alike?
If I was in the Dutch "Defensie" I'd really be looking forward to getting one of their black Swisstool Spirits.
And I'd be seriously disappointed if they gave me on of those Scarab things instead!
The alox KLu might just be the only knife I am willing to trade my Swiss shArK for :whistle:
Someone here notified me of the €600 one...
I know a few local Dutch army collectors, I´ll keep my eyes open for you.
I don´t want one myself, but the shark is on my list. :D
I really wanted one of those, looking for one for years, but it was just too much money for me. Now I am sad :cry:
And even though I know it was too expensive, I still somehow regret not bidding more :(
It is the missing piece in the collection, and who knows how long it will take for another chance :(
The alox KLu might just be the only knife I am willing to trade my Swiss shArK for :whistle:
I really wanted one of those, looking for one for years, but it was just too much money for me. Now I am sad :cry:
And even though I know it was too expensive, I still somehow regret not bidding more :(
It is the missing piece in the collection, and who knows how long it will take for another chance :(
The alox KLu might just be the only knife I am willing to trade my Swiss shArK for :whistle:
Dutch site called "Marktplaats"Thx. Know this place very well.
Translates as "Marketplace"
Let's just say that I would consider trading a 108mm Fireman for an alox KLu :D
Buy now or regret later...?
I should add a line under my signature
"I told you so" :whistle:
Let me save you the trouble...Ohw?
Ohw?
Can't see signatures since I changed theme...so... ?
This week two of the specimens of 'the holy grail of Victorinox' have been sold. (Different sellers!)
There are small differences between the two knives.
The one in the first picture sold for € 600, the second for € 500. :ahhh
NICE!!
Is it a Spartan?
Oh panel of wise experts, I have a question: What's a good price for a 111mm DAK with camo pouch? I've begun a hunt for one and figured I should ask, thanks!
Newest in the collection is this one:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/z7qsolgmavongka/2019-06-05%2017.32.49.jpg?raw=1)
This is issued for the Dutch army staffing department.
On the Dutch online marketplace (marktplaats.nl) you should be able to find a new in box one with pouch for about 40 euro. Although most of them are sold without the pouch, so finding a DAK and finding a separate pouch should be easier than finding the combination of the two.
On eBay a new in box DAK goes for around 75 euro. Sometimes with pouch, sometimes without.
If you want help buying one on marktplaats.nl and forwarding it to you, send me a PM :cheers:
I bought my DAK from marketplaats and they were very good. It came with all the boxes glenfiddich mentioned a while ago and the camo pouch was actually shrink wrapped. Just seemed to cost a lot in P&P; but it was worth it :D
I bought my DAK from marketplaats and they were very good. It came with all the boxes glenfiddich mentioned a while ago and the camo pouch was actually shrink wrapped. Just seemed to cost a lot in P&P; but it was worth it :D
:like: :salute:
Very cool! Is the knife an Amefa or a Victorinox?Thanks.
Nice find!
First time I see a stamped (TL 13) Knipex.
BTW, Osos, do realize you are robbing our Dutch cultural and military heritage? :cheers:
Yes I know, and I have to live with it, not easy, but...
1. CC Klein Tools with hawk bill blade.
Nice once EMZ.
By looking for different things, I found article about Chinese collector. And one of the photo from this article...
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190810/d29090780c01da20f58331393781b291.jpg)
Yes, this Chinese collector had some very rare Dutch Air Force SAK's!
At least three are not in my collection {encircled in red).
And I have a spare one which is not in his collection...
Does anybody knows who this Chinese collector is?
Arrived this week ALOX KL85 and KL86 :woohoo:
These are my first from the Dutch Army :like:
His name is Haoran Yang, start collecting in 2013, just Victorinox fan.
But I didn't see him at knives group.
Oh how happy I would be with just one of this Victorinox...
:hatsoff:
In addition to collecting the Dutch Army Knives (I have collected 124 different knives over the years)...
I know the "background" of most of my knives.
My DAK collection has grown a bit :hatsoff: and in addition I have more than 800 other knives and multi tool.800 :sa:
- AMEFA : KL66 - KL74 - KL75 - KL78 - KL84 2x
- Vic : KL83 - KL85 - KL86 - KL87 - KL88 - KL89 2x - KL90 - KL91 - KL92
- Vic : DAK93 DE-GM 9305297
- ZWANENBURG 158gr
- DAK10 2x
(By the way: I have 10 different DAK93 knives)
Hi Ivo,That is some great information! :like: :cheers:
Looking at the KL87: The stamp on these knives was "VICTORINOX". In 1986/87 the stamp was changed to "Victorinox".
The standard 93 mm blades are used for assembly. The old stock is first used up and then switched to the new one. As a result, both types of stamps can be found on the 1987 knives: "VICTORINOX" (old) and "Victorinox" (new).
This is also the case with the KM87 knives
Hi Ivo,
Looking at the KL87: The stamp on these knives was "VICTORINOX". In 1986/87 the stamp was changed to "Victorinox".
The standard 93 mm blades are used for assembly. The old stock is first used up and then switched to the new one. As a result, both types of stamps can be found on the 1987 knives: "VICTORINOX" (old) and "Victorinox" (new).
This is also the case with the KM87 knives
Hi Ivo,
DAK 93 with DE-GM (Deutschland-GebrauchsMuster) on the left ricasso was provided in the period 1994 - 2010 under the name DAK 1993. (NSN 7340-17-106-2332).
In 2006, Victorinox stopped with the DE-GM stamp (a "lighter form of patent” - according to Victorinox - and this had expired). The knives made after 2006 therefore no longer have a DE-GM stamp.
(By the way: I have 10 different DAK93 knives)
Hi Ivo,
Looking at the KL87: The stamp on these knives was "VICTORINOX". In 1986/87 the stamp was changed to "Victorinox".
The standard 93 mm blades are used for assembly. The old stock is first used up and then switched to the new one. As a result, both types of stamps can be found on the 1987 knives: "VICTORINOX" (old) and "Victorinox" (new).
This is also the case with the KM87 knives
My KL is a '91 and has the big V VSSR stamp. My KM (all of these were '87's as I understand it) has the small V VSSR stamp.
(https://i.imgur.com/Wo3IQE6.jpg)
My KL is a '91 and has the big V VSSR stamp. My KM (all of these were '87's as I understand it) has the small V VSSR stamp.Oh boy, those are so nice! :drool:
(https://i.imgur.com/Wo3IQE6.jpg)
My KL 85, 86, 90 & 92:Nice collection there :like:
Oh boy, those are so nice! :drool:
My KL is a '91 and has the big V VSSR stamp. My KM (all of these were '87's as I understand it) has the small V VSSR stamp.
(https://i.imgur.com/Wo3IQE6.jpg)
Ooooh you got a KM :drool: :drool: :drool: very nice :drool: :drool: :drool:
9a, 9b) At a given moment the first DAK’s were used up, the armed forces were temporarily provided with a black of green Centurion civilian version (with tweezers and toothpick). Stamp: DE-GM 9305297 - Victorinox / SWITZERLAND / STAINLESS. (Black variant: issued KMA (Royal Military Academy) Breda, ca. 2007; Green variant: issued KMS (Royal Military School) Ermelo, ca. 2005/06)
Addition to number 9b (green variant Victorinox 0.8453.4).It is nice! :like: :cheers:
I found this one in my collection: The green variant, but stamped DE-GM 9305297 - VICTORINOX / switzerland.
Don't know for sure if it was actually a DAK. According to the person I bought this knife from, it came from the inheritance of a DAK collector (that was all the seller knew).
The black one with GOLD logo is amazing!Green or black, they are both nice ones to have with the gold :cheers:
I only was aware of the green one with gold logo.
And now some Multitools "used" by (or given as present to) the Dutch Army:Well that’s interesting :tu:
1) KLU (Airforce);
2) Landmacht (Army);
3) Luchtmacht (Airforce);
4) Landmacht (Royal Netherlans Army)
and there is more to come :whistle:
:climber:Oh boy, that is a great selection of Dutch Army knives! :like: :cheers:
The complete range of Alox Amefa knives: (KL72 - KL82 & KL84, including KLu74)
In the years 1972, 1973 and 1974 this knife has three components. There was no can opener and the bottle opener was on the blade site. The can-opener was provided separately.
In the following years we switched to the 4-component pocket knife, incluiding the can opener.
And the complete range of Alox Victorinox knives: (KL83, KL85 - KL92, including KM87)
And the Victorinox:And it got even better! :2tu:
Amazing collection. Well done. Are you a veteran of the Dutch services? Just wondering.
The "oldies".
1) The complete range of the brown fiber Amefa blades (including KLU63 & KLU65)
Almost complete...
Sorry, but here's the KLU 64. No manufacturer's name, however probably Ameva.
The "oldies".
1) The complete range of the brown fiber Amefa blades (including KLU63 & KLU65)
Look for the differences. Hint: tang stamps and position of the bottle opener
2) It is assumed that this (green) knife was made by Amefa. There is no confirmation. It was issued to the Mobile Colonnes Corps (KMC) in 1955. This Corps existed from 1955 to 1993.
3) A very old one. It was from my great-grandfather; A gunnery sergeant and was provided in 1876.
Hi Ivo,
Looking at the KL87: The stamp on these knives was "VICTORINOX". In 1986/87 the stamp was changed to "Victorinox".
The standard 93 mm blades are used for assembly. The old stock is first used up and then switched to the new one. As a result, both types of stamps can be found on the 1987 knives: "VICTORINOX" (old) and "Victorinox" (new).
This is also the case with the KM87 knives
7) In the United Kingdom, just like in Germany, it is absolutely forbidden to have lockable knives. The "liner lock" has therefore been removed for Dutch soldiers stationed in the UK.
These two knives I found in my letter box this week :D
Both are Dutch line worker knives:
1. CC Klein Tools with hawk bill blade.
2. Rich. A. Herder with blade stamped KL + lion.
KL + (Dutch) Lion:Very nice! :cheers:
The knife is the Dutch version of the "Lineman" TL-29 of the US Signal Corps. In the Netherlands it was issued to the "Genie"/"Verbindingstroepen" - electricians/line workers.
(Signal Corps).
It was made by Rich. Herder, Solingen and was in use in 1940-1950.
Beautiful knives, Agamemnon. What was their main purpose, meal prep, general utility?
Hi Myron,That is some great information! :tu:
In earlier times, the equipment of the sailors on board the sailing ships consisted of a revolver, the sailor's knife and the entersaber. The knife was mainly used for cutting ropes and for all kinds of other things. So general utility.
I asked my friend what he did with the knife.
This knife was only used during the (basic)training in the Marine Training Camp Hilversum. Afterwards it was put in the locker because it was "too difficult" to wear in the service section VLMNT / RRMT (fire control fitters). So he preferred his ‘regular’ army knife.
Hi Myron,
In earlier times, the equipment of the sailors on board the sailing ships consisted of a revolver, the sailor's knife and the entersaber. The knife was mainly used for cutting ropes and for all kinds of other things. So general utility.
I asked my friend what he did with the knife.
This knife was only used during the (basic)training in the Marine Training Camp Hilversum. Afterwards it was put in the locker because it was "too difficult" to wear in the service section VLMNT / RRMT (fire control fitters). So he preferred his ‘regular’ army knife.
:cheers: :cheers:That is some great info and history :cheers:
Thanks guys
These knives are sold very occasionally, so they are rare. (Emptying the parents' house is sometimes a reason.)
If you join the Navy, you get such a knife. Your registration number was written on this knife; it was really your knife. If you left the navy, you took your knife with you and it remained yours forever. So we don’t give away our knife.
The Dutch Veterans have a magazine, called "Checkpoint" and I occasionally ask if anyone wants to give up his knife. This happens very occasionally; the only reason they want to do this is that they are afraid that the children want to get rid of the knife because they have "nothing" with the knife. In that case they prefer to give the knife to a ‘B.I.A.’
and of course I also have these pouches in my collection:
There are 2 types of these pouches (as far as I know):
1) Alice clip (the older ones, in woodland and desert config.) they were used for the DAK93,
2) Molle (the new ones, in woodland en black (KMAR) config, used for the DAK2010.
And of course the 'special' ones: Leatherman (SuperTool) with Interservice logo, and Victorinox (SwissTool) with 11 Luchtmobile Brigade logo (11 Air Assault Brigade). The 11 LMB was a Xmas present (I think it was in 1997) for the brigade.
Yes Guardian, the DAK 2010 fits in the black KMAR pouch (issued to KMAR) but also in the Woodland version (issued to the 'others', and the Victorinox Spirit-BO goes into the brown pouch with the interservice logo (also in my collection):drool: :drool:
Very nice set Agamemnon. I always learn so much from your posts.
I always like it when I can add a DAK to my small collection, and your posts have helped me more than once.
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Today I finally managed to acquire a DAK that i’ve been looking for for a long time: the Dutch Army 11 Air Assault Brigade.
Aha! So YOU are the one that beat on that SwissTool! Dang... :-\
But I'm glad it stayed 'home'.
Congratulations!
To comfort myself a little bit I bought the other DAK this guy was offering: A CRKT Thunderbolt 2 with logo of the Dutch Army 11 LMB (Air Mobile Brigade). Used in 2008 in Afghanistan.
Today I finally managed to acquire a DAK that i’ve been looking for for a long time: the Dutch Army 11 Air Assault Brigade.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/9dtxli2ebx3cfzm/IMG_1070.jpg?raw=1)
There’ve been a couple of previous opportunities in the past years but I got outbid or the seller just asked a very steep price. This time I was lucky enough to deal with a seller that wanted this knife to get a good new home because it used to be his personal knife when he was in service in the 11 Air Assault Brigade. I offered him a fair price and the knife is now mine!
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/j670j6vnw78sase/2020-05-12%2014.57.02.jpg?raw=1)
:hatsoff:
Every year (except for this year - Covid 19) there is a National Veterans Day over here in the Netherlands. I always go here to see my old B.I.A.
Because I want to make my collection of DAKs "complete" I make an overview of (as far as I know) the knives I still miss. The knives of the Royal Netherlands Air Force are now on this list.
Where can you better be than with the old users of these knives: Air Force guys. So, during lunch I went to their "tent" and hung in strategic places the overview and spoke with various (old) Air Force men.
A few weeks ago, an Air Force officer comes to my house asking if I was still looking for the KLU knives. Of course, I look for it and then he takes a blue Victorinox alox Master Craftsman (3rd model) out of his pocket and asks if I want it. He did indicate that the tweezers were missing. I notice then laughing that the value then becomes "less". After some back and forth the deal is closed on 3 pints (Heineken). A deal we are both happy with. :cheers: :cheers:
That alox Master Craftsman :dd:
I think I saw one listed on eBay for a quazillion dollars.
Back in 1978 I served a few month on RNLAF base Gilze-Rijen, the place where the survival training section of Dutch pilots still is based. One day I carried a full box with DOZENS of these knives to a storage building! I should have run away with it, hide a few decades, and by now I could have been a millionaire.
:facepalm:
BTW: Beautiful collection of RNLAF knives and multi-tools!
Also: why?
It took me a while, but finally I found one!
This is the black leather pouch WITH Dutch defence Interservice logo for the SwissTool.
Unfortunately the toll was not included and I don't know for which Victorinox multi-tool exactly it was ment for. I know EOD had the standard version of the SwissTool, but I don;t know the exact type/model.
Excellent story!
As a veteran of the US Army's 1st Division (AKA "The Big Red One"--whose patch is my avatar), I found the history particularly enjoyable.
Excellent story!
As a veteran of the US Army's 1st Division (AKA "The Big Red One"--whose patch is my avatar), I found the history particularly enjoyable.
:hatsoff:
Semper Fi BRO
Great find EMZ :like:
...and added to Tinker Small Wiki with a couple of your images, if you're OK with that? :salute:
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BTW, I think I missed the sewing needle in the inventory list :D
Lekker! :gimme:
I thought I was lucky to find one for sale, but it turned out it was the ad of the guy that sold it to EMZ, he forgot to take the ad down :facepalm:
Lekker dan :cry:
Well... I know what you trying to say with 'lekker', however the Dutch expression 'lekker' is in fact always used to address that something tastes very good. For example food, drinks, and in a rude way for a fine looking woman. It's informal language, to be used amongst friends, not for official occasions, or during the X-mas dinner with your snobby parents-in-law.
Someone might say in a positive way "Ja, lekker!" when he expresses that for example a pastry tastes very good. But he can also say it with a very negative tone, and then it means "it sucks!".
Anyhow, thanks for the compliment!! :tu:
Oh......thanks EMZ :cheers: I thought lekker could be used on anything that looked great and not just food; kind of a ‘slang’ word. So I better not say it to any Dutch women then or they may think I’m comparing them to a Big Mac or a food item :facepalm:
Lekler can be used in several ways. Calling a man or woman lekker is not exaclty nice. A sofa can be lekker as well, in that case it means comfortable. A motorcycle can ride lekker I guess.
It's also lekker to have a day off work :P
Yes you can, Guardian - 2 days off work! I’ll get my coat.....
Very interesting, Agamemnon! I have a Kingston USMC from 1945, which I believe is the same knife. They are beautifully made.
Myron
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Thanks Agamemnon. Yes, I knew they switched around the orientation shortly after producing the knife. And then there was the long dry spell until the Camillus 1760 appeared. I have a few of those in my collection as well.
But there is something very special about the Kingston MIL-K-818. The brass liners on mine are beautiful.
Myron
I have a 1952 Colasse only because I'm Belgian.
The springs are super tough,
The handles feel crude,
The overall feel isn't pleasant.
I'm a bit disappointed to see the Belgian Army never invested in some decent pocket knives.
Great collection of Belgian knives, Agamemnon!
And thanks to Agamemnon, who was so kind to inform me that this knife was offered on Ebay, I now also have the experimental DAK Parachutist. :D
See pic's.
Do you, by any chance, know when/where the GSG9 tribute knives were available?
(The ones with the actual GSG9 logo on the scales)
These weren't issued, but don't look as if they'd be available for civilian purchase either.
:hatsoff:That's the one!
Hi Mechanickal,
i got this knife from a friend of mine, but I don't remember when it was. So, sorry.
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:dunno: A stranger. :dunno:
Yesterday I received a new Victorinox DAK. The knife is brand new and has never been used. Has a few tiny scratches. At first it looks like the DAK2010 that we currently have in use in the Netherlands.
Until I open the knife:
• The knife has a large knife blade, partly serrated, liner-locking and one-hand opening;
• A belt cutter, serrated with safety tip, liner-locking and one-hand-opening;
• And, surprise, a wood saw.
• In addition, it has a corkscrew and the key-ring
• There is no cap-lifter or can-opener
It seems to be a military version of the “Hunter XT” (2nd version). But, who can tell me anything more about this, please tell me.
Nice find!
Any reason to assume someone put DAK scales on a Hunter XT ?
Did it come in a box with a NSN number?
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:dunno: A stranger. :dunno:
Yesterday I received a new Victorinox DAK. The knife is brand new and has never been used. Has a few tiny scratches. At first it looks like the DAK2010 that we currently have in use in the Netherlands.
Until I open the knife:
• The knife has a large knife blade, partly serrated, liner-locking and one-hand opening;
• A belt cutter, serrated with safety tip, liner-locking and one-hand-opening;
• And, surprise, a wood saw.
• In addition, it has a corkscrew and the key-ring
• There is no cap-lifter or can-opener
It seems to be a military version of the “Hunter XT” (2nd version). But, who can tell me anything more about this, please tell me.
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The knife comes from a desk drawer of the DMO. The Defense Materiel Organization is a supporting part of the Dutch Ministry of Defense that provides for the development, acquisition, maintenance and disposal of (military) equipment for the Dutch armed forces.
It hasn't been tinkered with or rebuilt - just has a few tiny scratches. The scales fit exactly on the knife.
As is known, the packaging and instructions for use are the first to be thrown away; is therefore not included.
Guess what :sa:
This morning I was doing my daily grind for interesting stuff on Marktplaats, and an ad with this knife popped up. It had only 5 views yet so it was probably placed just before I found it, like it was meant to be :ahhh...
I love it when things like this happen. Congratulations!
Thanks for the info Agamemnon!
Now, the seller that sold me the Hunter XT DAK didn’t yet ship it, because he deleted the message with my address or whatever. I don’t have a reason to doubt him because I bought from him before on two occasions.
Turns out to be a blessing in disguise because he also has the Forester DAK. So I bought that as well, and the shipping can be combined since the Hunter XT wasn’t shipped yet.
Glenfiddich, you beat me twice on these two marvellous SAK's. :rant:
It took me some time to find the guts to congratulate you, but now I have find the courage :hatsoff:
No, seriously, I'm just very glad they stay here in Holland. Great find and well done!!
Two more DAK acquisitions:
- RNLAF multi-tool of Chinese quality.
- RNLAF knife made by Metallo. "Vouwmes" = Folding Knife. It was distributed to RNLAF computer and communications technicians/mechanics ("Communication and Information Systems - CIS"). It has a Dutch, NSN 5110-17-031-3972.
Both knives were bought with the help of Agamemnon. Thank you again!
Very nice, Echo! The Model 1961 DAKs are so superb. Congratulations!Thanks Myron my 61 collection is getting there, just waiting on one more (for now :rofl: ) and will post them all together
I call dibs on Glenfiddich's new DAKs on behalf of EMZ! :)
Two more DAK acquisitions:
- RNLAF multi-tool of Chinese quality.
- RNLAF knife made by Metallo. "Vouwmes" = Folding Knife. It was distributed to RNLAF computer and communications technicians/mechanics ("Communication and Information Systems - CIS"). It has a Dutch, NSN 5110-17-031-3972.
Both knives were bought with the help of Agamemnon. Thank you again!
Got my first DAK to add to the Soldier collection.
In pretty decent condition and for about the same price as a new Pioneer. Got an AMEFA on the way too
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I call dibs on Glenfiddich's new DAKs on behalf of EMZ! :)
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Congrats! :cheers:
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If I ever decide to sell them, i'll think of EMZ first :salute:
It is the Swisstool Spirit BS and there is the Dutch Lion Stamped on the leather.
Great story, Agamemnon!
I didn't know Amefa was estahblished by a German who's name was Hollaender. What a coincidence.
After consulting the internet this morning, I read that during WW2 Amefa produced knives and razor blades for the German army, but that Hollaender was also anti-German, and helped the local resistance, risking his own life. That's why he was honoured in 2011 by giving his name to a street in Apeldoorn: the Hollaenderstraat.
:hatsoff:Excellent write up and pics Agamemnon, what an interesting story :tu:
2021 - the year of the strange knives.
This week I received a new acquisition: an unmarked knife that looks a lot like the Amefa knives with brown fiber grip.
The knife belonged to a Dutch ex-soldier who was drafted in 1949 and got this knife with his equipment.
The story behind the knife:
On 19-09-1931 Eugen Hollaender (a German) founded the Apeldoornsche Messenfabriek NV Haagse Import Maatschappij Olanda (Apeldoornse Knife factory NV The Hague Import Company Olanda). This would later become Amefa. He initially produced razors and in the 1940s switched to kitchen knives and pocket knives, which he supplied to the Dutch and German army.
Hollaender's application for naturalization, which he submitted at the same time as his marriage in 1937, got stranded in the bureaucracy during the German occupation. So he still had the German nationality and therefore he could sign a contract with Germany. The knives he made were therefore also used in the German Wehrmacht. The knife was made until WWII.
After the war, the Hollaender family was placed under a trustee. This arose from a general measure against companies that were run under the German flag during the occupation. Hollaender was also, immediately after the liberation of Apeldoorn, because he was a German, imprisoned in the Willem III barracks in Apeldoorn. There he sat together with other Germans and NSB (National SoSmurfpillst Movement in the Netherlands) members.
In the 1950s he was neutralized as a Dutchman.
The knife, most likely made by "Olanda" and probably served as an "example" for the DAK that was made by Amefa and used after the war. Because of this, the later Amefa's and this knife have (almost) the same configuration.
Received this AMEFA KL79 today, thanks to HankGreen on the MT’s for sale forum
Closer in quality to the VIC than I was expecting, not quite as well finished, particularly noticeable with the pins but not bad at all
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Hi Echotech,
Nice Amefa KL 79 congratulations on your new acquisition – looking good.
As can be seen in the photos, this is the 4-piece version. (2nd version). There is however also a 3-piece version (1st version).
The KL72, KL73, KL74 & KLU74 was a 3-part pocket knife, stainless steel with ribbed aluminum body. Folding knife, bottle opener / wide flat screwdriver and flat awl. The years "72," 73 and "74; do not have a can opener. (P-38 - Can Opener - NSN 7330-99-549-6287).This was provided separately. In addition, the bottle opener was on the same side as the blade.
In addition to the KL (army variant), a KLU (air force) knife was also provided in 1974. From 1975 the 2nd type was introduced, with 4 parts. These knives all had brass liners. The first two production years were 1975 and 1976. In 1977 no production took place. In the following years the KL78, KL79, KL80, KL81 and KL 82 were released.
Amefa produced this series up to and including 1982 and finally once more in 1984. In 1983 and the years after 1984 Victorinox became the supplier. During this period Victorinox started a lawsuit against Amefa for patent evasion. As a result, Defense was obliged to buy only from Victorinox.
Another probably experimental/proposal/test model DAK: The Victorinox Forester OH with 'Interservice' logo.
I bought this one also for a very reasonable price from the same seller as Glenfiddich bought his two rare models (see earlier posts).
Back on topic with this promotional Dutch air force pocket knife!
Text on revers side: Bindingsdag 2003 (= binding/interconnecting day 2003).
Tang stamp is 'Stainless Steel' which factually means 'China'.
:hatsoff::tu: excellent write up thanks for that, always interesting to understand some of the history behind them
Hi Echotech,
Nice Amefa KL 79 congratulations on your new acquisition – looking good.
As can be seen in the photos, this is the 4-piece version. (2nd version). There is however also a 3-piece version (1st version).
The KL72, KL73, KL74 & KLU74 was a 3-part pocket knife, stainless steel with ribbed aluminum body. Folding knife, bottle opener / wide flat screwdriver and flat awl. The years "72," 73 and "74; do not have a can opener. (P-38 - Can Opener - NSN 7330-99-549-6287).This was provided separately. In addition, the bottle opener was on the same side as the blade.
In addition to the KL (army variant), a KLU (air force) knife was also provided in 1974. From 1975 the 2nd type was introduced, with 4 parts. These knives all had brass liners. The first two production years were 1975 and 1976. In 1977 no production took place. In the following years the KL78, KL79, KL80, KL81 and KL 82 were released.
Amefa produced this series up to and including 1982 and finally once more in 1984. In 1983 and the years after 1984 Victorinox became the supplier. During this period Victorinox started a lawsuit against Amefa for patent evasion. As a result, Defense was obliged to buy only from Victorinox.
Epic 👍
I half expect wings to pop out and it to transform into a nano drone!!!
Are these scarce?
My neighbor is a pilot and would love one of these!
The top pick is actually reminiscent of a cargo/tanker!
Cargo/tanker! :rofl:
Are they scarce? I dunno... probably.... It's the first one I've ever seen. It's my guess only a few dozens were ever made.
This one is not even in Agamemnon's collection -I think he has the most extensive DAK collection- so it's probably a rare specimen.
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My three new acquisitions:
CRKT - Lake Thunderbolt 2 – 7130 – with the logo of the 11 LMB
Was a Brigade "Christmas Present" to the 11LMB in (±) 2005. The choice was the pocket knife or a gift card.
Used in Afghanistan in 2008. 11 Infantry Battalion (Air Assault) "Garderegiment Jagers en Grenadiers” (Cloak regiment Hunters and Grenadiers) was part of Battle Group 7 of Task Force Uruzgan (TFU 7).
Pocket knife Houthobbyclub PMK Wezep
If you are stationed somewhere as a soldier and you want to spend your free time on a hobby after "duty hours", there are several clubs you can join. One of these clubs is the Houthobbyclub (woodworking club) in the “Prinses Margrietkazerne” in Wezep. This pocket knife was a gift from this club.
The Princess Margriet Barracks are located in Wezep on the northern edge of the Veluwe. After the occupation in 1940, the complex was built according to German design.
The barracks are adjacent to the Oldebroekse Heide, one of the largest military training grounds in the Netherlands. The Princess Margriet barracks mainly contain parts of 101 Engineer Battalion. Furthermore, the staff of 11 Panzer Engineer Battalion is housed there with two Panzer Engineer companies and a part of the Education and Training Center for Engineer is located there.
Vfonds.
This (small) multi-tool comes from the Veterans Institute, there is little else to say about it.
Thx for the knife info and historical background, plus account of hobbying in military life.
Congratulations with this very rare Dutch Army Knife!!
As far as I can see, it is in an excellent condition. Unfortunately the KLU 65 is not even in my own collection.
For you it is a marvellous start if you want to collect DAK's.
Welcome to the MTO club, and please enjoy our pictures and descriptions.
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It is a can opener
Finally I found a KLU 63, made by Amefa.
In fact now only one is missing in my older type KL/KM/KLU collection: The KLu 74.
Thanks for the compliments! I wish the Dutch Army could offer me (and Agamemnon, Glenf and Osos as well) a financial citation... :whistle:
However, I will post in near future some pictures of my latest acquisition, a Wenger Master with blade lock. Please have patience!
Very nice find, David!Thanks, £22, I don’t know if that is cheap, expensive, or just about right.
(...) the profile of the blade, the way it weaves its way between the awl and tin opener!
Nice collection !
I like the pictures of the new DAK, especially because they are my fotos of my knife on my jeans jacket :D .
And now, ladies and gentleman, this is the news you've all been waiting for! :woohoo:
DAK afficionado's and all others, fasten your seatbelts!
Here are the first detailed pictures of a genuine, beautiful, Holy Grail Victorinox: The latest version of the blue alox RNLAF Survival Kit Knife !! :drool:
This particular knife is a little bit of an enigma...
In order to shed some light: Look at the tweezers.
Tomorrow I show you more detailed pics.
In order to shed some light: Look at the tweezers.Metal tip? Whatever the case, that's a most excellent DAK! :like:
And now a real DAK from Victorinox: A Recruit 2.2500 with Eco handles, key ring, no T&T, and reverse handles (Swiss cross at the back side).
Personeelsvoorziening Koninklijke Landmacht translates to 'Human Recources Services Royal Army'.
Thanks Agamemnon!!
MC1 got also rope cutter to complete setI have one of those Schrade automatics (though one issued to U.S. troops). Yours looks pretty good. Hope it held up okay over the years.
Normally @EMZ I would be very jealous, but seller had one more knife, used, but in very good condition, and it is mine :-)
Anyway congratulations!
Also some small update of mine collection. Most of them was described in this topic.
1. Finally I got all set of KLU knives
2. Both Zwanenburg models, 1st and 2nd generation
3. MC1 got also rope cutter to complete set
4. Lineman knives (mainly TL29 and Klein hawkbill blade knife). Also in free time I will make photo of electric knives
5. 93 models, all different
Also a lot's of thx to Agamemnon for support
And now, ladies and gentleman, this is the news you've all been waiting for! :woohoo:
DAK afficionado's and all others, fasten your seatbelts!
Here are the first detailed pictures of a genuine, beautiful, Holy Grail Victorinox: The latest version of the blue alox RNLAF Survival Kit Knife !! :drool:
This particular knife is a little bit of an enigma...
In order to shed some light: Look at the tweezers.
Tomorrow I show you more detailed pics.
Dear Osos, I am totally jealous about your DAK's!!! :drool:Hi @EMZ
Congratulations on your Klu 74 find! :hatsoff: It's the one knife I've still been missing. :rant:
The orange MC1 is beautiful. Once, a long time ago, I had 2 of them, but I had to part hem, because these type of knives are forbidden by the law here in Holland.
Could you please take identifying pictures of the 6 different tang stamps of the 1993 models you have? I have only 5 different tang stamps in my collection, and didn't know a sixt excists.
Also looking forward on the tang stamps of the line man's knives.
Nice score, glenfiddich1983! :cheers:
To my surprise I found a KLU 65, and to my even bigger surprise I was able to buy it for a very gentle price :)What a treasure! :like:
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Very cool, and you're fortunate to have kept it! (The U.S Navy never issued me a knife or multi...I had to pay for them out of pocket.)
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“10-year itch”
After years of searching, I finally found it: DAK M92 test model. This knife was found in the desk drawer of an retired officer.
In the early 1990s, the period of the 2nd and 3rd type alox DAK (1983 – 1992) came to an end and was phased out.
After issuing 66,150 knives in 1992, we wanted a replacement for the outdated Pioneer model.
Thoughts went out to a slightly larger knife (featuring a 111 mm locking blade). A slide-lock model, introduced in the mid-80s met these specifications.
The Netherlands tested the Victorinox Hunter with 'slide-lock'. This model, however, had a wood saw and there was no need for this in the Netherlands.
The Hunter had the well-known green shell, but no 'Interservice logo' yet.
In the end, the choice did not fall on the Hunter; this in contrast to the UK (RAF Hunter) and Germany (BSG Fliegergruppe / GSG9).
Netherlands chose Model 1992 as DAK 1993 and it served until 2006.
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Am I correct this one has an awl at one side and a Philips at the other side??
Oh man am I lucky :woohoo:
After YEARS of searching I finally have one! :ahhh
The blue alox Master Craftsman that was made in very limited numbers for the Dutch Air Force and Navy! :woohoo:
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Obviously and unfortunately the main blade is missing, but still… since I only paid… wait for it…
42 dollars :ahhh
I can’t really complain about the missing blade :D
Still can’t believe I found this gem!
I am considering sending it in to Victorinox to have a new main blade installed, but I don’t think I will do it. Too afraid this jewel gets lost in the mail or some other doom will befall it… I may not want to tempt my luck on this one.
Great find!!! I'd let it be as it is.
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My latest acquisition: a Victorinox SwissTool Spirit X
This “Spirit” was a 'farewell gift' when the Soesterberg air base was closed in 2008.
Soesterberg Air Base was a military airfield near Soesterberg, between Utrecht and Amersfoort. The airport was the cradle of military aviation in the Netherlands; In 1913, the army's Aviation Department (LVA) made its first flights here. Due to defense cuts, the base was shut down and closed in November 2008.
End as an air base
The dissolution ceremony of the base was on November 12, 2008. The remaining flying squadrons were transferred to Gilze-Rijen air base and the 932 Squadron returned to Gilze-Rijen as a Logistics Squadron. The remaining support squadrons have been disbanded.
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I hope I won’t regret it, but this weekend I decided to accept the quote for the blade replacement I got from Victorinox (€18, which is about $19.50). Today I shipped it, together with two other SAKs that I’m turning in for repair.
I realize that I’ll probably get it back with a modern tang stamped blade, but I’d rather have a complete but modern blade than this snapped off no-blade-at-all, it looks a bit sad this way. I just prey this thing doesn’t get lost in the mail between here and Switzerland :ahhh
I packed the SAK very well, actually I think I never packed one so well with four crosswise layers of tape and multiple address labels inside the parcel and attached to the SAK as well :D
Absolutely fabulous. How could it be any better? Now you never have to show it and say, "Yes it is rare. Too bad the blade is broken off." Congratulations to the craftsmen at Victorinox. They did it right. Best wishes. Gary (IMR)
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:hatsoff: Congrats Glenfiddich. We just had to drink a whiskey to our collection.
My RNAF is a little different, I am still looking for this one. :hatsoff:
Great catch!!!
Does these RNLAF knives have the swiss cross on the other side?