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Tool Talk => Swiss Army Knights Forum => Topic started by: NorCalJim on March 20, 2017, 11:51:31 PM
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Those of us who like Swiss Champs, Champions, Explorers, Yeomans and Scientists (each of which feature magnifiers), probably have acquired the Victorinox models that we admire. So what about the Wenger or Delemont models that feature magnifiers?
I was curious about some of Victorinox's Delemont models that feature magnifiers and did some initial research on the Evolution 23 & 28 plus the EvoGrip S54. So far, I have the most interest in the Evolution 28 due to the inclusion of the file. I was wondering about the comment of one reviewer who characterized the magnifier as something comparable to what you would find in a box of cracker jacks (cheap & practically unusable).
So what do you think about the Wenger/Delemont magnifier & magnifier models?
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I think Wenger described it as highly corrected and it's very sharp in the center of the view but has less depth of field...I guess it's not as "flat" a field of view. Does that make sense? Like a photo taken @f/2.8 vs. f/8. You see more of the area in focus with the Vic. Probably a difference in the way the lens is ground.
I'm a photog and can live with it but it's not as good in use as the bigger Vic mag.
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I think Wenger described it as highly corrected and it's very sharp in the center of the view but has less depth of field...I guess it's not as "flat" a field of view. Does that make sense? Like a photo taken @f/2.8 vs. f/8. You see more of the area in focus with the Vic. Probably a difference in the way the lens is ground.
I'm a photog and can live with it but it's not as good in use as the bigger Vic mag.
Makes perfect sense. I like the photography illustration. :)
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For those stopping by with no idea of the Wenger or Delemont configuration, here are some stock illustrations of some of the magnifier models:
EVOLUTION 23:
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p437/NorCalJim/SAK/Evolution%2023%20Stock_zpsnwuulias.jpg) (http://s346.photobucket.com/user/NorCalJim/media/SAK/Evolution%2023%20Stock_zpsnwuulias.jpg.html)
EVOLUTION 28:
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p437/NorCalJim/SAK/Evolution%2028%20Stock_zpsvokiv1gw.jpg) (http://s346.photobucket.com/user/NorCalJim/media/SAK/Evolution%2028%20Stock_zpsvokiv1gw.jpg.html)
EVOGRIP S54:
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p437/NorCalJim/SAK/EvoGrip%20S54_zpsddijvcww.jpg) (http://s346.photobucket.com/user/NorCalJim/media/SAK/EvoGrip%20S54_zpsddijvcww.jpg.html)
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This is a good thread! I myself wondered how each companies mag lens compared to each other and I never owned a Wenger one! :)
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Btw, the 23 is a great pattern IMO!!!
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Side by side. The Wenger is higher power to start with so here, fairly close to the target, the flat field performance is closer but still apparent. Worsens quickly when pulling back to enlarge target...which is completely normal in a small diameter, high power, single element optic. Better correction is achieved with a highly corrected compound element like Bausch+Lomb's Hastings Triplet design. (bottom pic)
As I said doesn't bother me but the really flat field of the Vic, admittedly at lower power (8X) is easier to use...esp on natural or uneven targets. I prefer (and grew up with) the gray 8X Vic mags but the newest design (clear housing) is supposed to offer improved performance.
Added: this is a comparison between a new Vic Evolution 23 and a mid-late 90's Vic Explorer.
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Side by side. The Wenger is higher power to start with so here, fairly close to the target, the flat field performance is closer but still apparent. Worsens quickly when pulling back to enlarge target...which is completely normal in a small diameter, high power, single element optic. Better correction is achieved with a highly corrected compound element like Bausch+Lomb's Hastings Triplet design. (bottom pic)
As I said doesn't bother me but the really flat field of the Vic, admittedly at lower power (8X) is easier to use...esp on natural or uneven targets. I prefer (and grew up with) the gray 8X Vic mags but the newest design (clear housing) is supposed to offer improved performance.
Added: this is a comparison between a new Vic Evolution 23 and a mid-late 90's Vic Explorer.
Thanks SG!!! I appreciate you taking the time to illustrate the difference and it's great that you used photos to demonstrate the difference.
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Yeah thanks SG! That is a great demo and explanation! :tu:
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The Wenger magnifying glass looks cool in a cyberpunk way but optically it's an absolute joke - you will indeed find a better magnifying glass in any decent box of Christmas crackers.
It's a total waste of space. Assuming you don't mind schlepping it around, it's so bad it's unlikely to help you much when you need it.
Most compasses (I have a Suunto) come with a useful magnifying glass built in. Mine is stuffed in the back of my otherwise fairly lame EDC bag. (The compass is another feature those bigger Wengers could probably do without... admittedly I have never used one but I imagine even a dirt cheap keychain compass would be more usable, without interfering with the day-to-day ergonomics of the SAK.)
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You're welcome guys!!!! Glad to do it! :cheers:
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The Wenger magnifying glass looks cool in a cyberpunk way
Cyberpunk?!
"Steampunk" is the word I was looking for....
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For me there's no contest, it's Vic all the way, old or new.
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While I don't hate them, I would swap them by almost any other implement, they're so big and take much space.
I really love Vic's magnifiers, though
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I have both Vic & Wenger types. It truly depends on how you use them. General use the Vic is simpler to view through. But if you want to see greater detail holding the Wenger type closer to the eye while viewing the magnification is significantly better.
As far as the compass it works just fine. And is far better than any of the little button compasses out there.
Also the longer implement on the Wenger's magnifier helps with holding it closer to the eye in a more comfortable manner.
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I have both Vic & Wenger types. It truly depends on how you use them. General use the Vic is simpler to view through. But if you want to see greater detail holding the Wenger type closer to the eye while viewing the magnification is significantly better.
As far as the compass it works just fine. And is far better than any of the little button compasses out there.
Far better any button compasses but one....the Suunto Clipper. :cheers:
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Great, now I have to Google, "Suunto Clipper", hope one doesn't end up in my cart tonight. :cheers:
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I have both Vic & Wenger types. It truly depends on how you use them. General use the Vic is simpler to view through. But if you want to see greater detail holding the Wenger type closer to the eye while viewing the magnification is significantly better.
As far as the compass it works just fine. And is far better than any of the little button compasses out there.
Far better any button compasses but one....the Suunto Clipper. :cheers:
Well let us know when your liquid filled button compass gets air bubbles and becomes useless.
Actually I hope you get good use out it.
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I have both Vic & Wenger types. It truly depends on how you use them. General use the Vic is simpler to view through. But if you want to see greater detail holding the Wenger type closer to the eye while viewing the magnification is significantly better.
As far as the compass it works just fine. And is far better than any of the little button compasses out there.
Far better any button compasses but one....the Suunto Clipper. :cheers:
Well let us know when your liquid filled button compass gets air bubbles and becomes useless.
Actually I hope you get good use out it.
:cheers: Thx, I have 5-6 Clippers put back and use one these days more than my $75- $125.00 compasses...google for some reviews, they're durable and accurate. For serious use, I prefer compasses with Global Needles that can work even if damaged and some bubbles occur. :salute:
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Great, now I have to Google, "Suunto Clipper", hope one doesn't end up in my cart tonight. :cheers:
:D They are awesome FB!!! (Sorry for the thread drift Jim)
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Great, now I have to Google, "Suunto Clipper", hope one doesn't end up in my cart tonight. :cheers:
:D They are awesome FB!!! (Sorry for the thread drift Jim)
Love the show and tell and magnifiers are definitely pertinent to this discussion. :)
Besides, you & FB have some way cool stuff!!!
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:cheers:
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I figured this topic would atrack more response.
Personally I am not a Vic snob nor a Wenger defender both work as intended.if you just want to read labels , map features the Vic with its lower power and wider field of view is easier to use. But if you also want to study object, bugs, find near mico size dirt under your finger nail or the tiniest cactus needle driving nuts then the Wenger type is better.
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I figured this topic would atrack more response.
Personally I am not a Vic snob nor a Wenger defender both work as intended.if you just want to read labels , map features the Vic with its lower power and wider field of view is easier to use. But if you also want to study object, bugs, find near mico size dirt under your finger nail or the tiniest cactus needle driving nuts then the Wenger type is better.
I've been delighted with the response from SG's side by side comparison photos to the various opinions. I now have a much better understanding of what the Wenger/Delemont magnifier SAKs offer compared to the Victorinox magnifier SAKs. I have learned quite a bit and am appreciative for the various responses.
Your response gave me something to think about since my use corresponds very well to what the 8x magnifier offers (reading small print). Thanks to your observation, I will give some more thought to getting an Evolution 23 or 28 (I am pretty sure that I won't be getting the EvoGrip S54 "Tool Chest").
:tu:
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:cheers:
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I just tossed an EVOLUTION 23 into the cart and will have it tomorrow.
I figure it will come in handy for my side-by-side size comparison thread! :cheers: :tu: :rofl:
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I have an S54 and an older tool chest model. I am always debating and have never really came to a conclusion which is better the Vic or Wenger. So I just carry the Vic as a daily item since I dont need a compass around town. But if I go on a hike, travel or road trip I take the Wenger. The compromise has helped me sleep better at night most of the time. :ahhh
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I just tossed an EVOLUTION 23 into the cart and will have it tomorrow.
I figure it will come in handy for my side-by-side size comparison thread! :cheers: :tu: :rofl:
As a fellow magnifier enthusiast, I will be very interested in your impression.
I probably would have one by now except that I am having trouble deciding between the 23 & 28 (really like files)--analysis paralysis?
You have some fine SAKs and keep getting more...ever see the sign/bumper sticker "The one who dies with the most toys wins!"? :)
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You have some fine SAKs and keep getting more...
It's true I do, I like vintage and new, does that mean I like them all? :ahhh
I thought it might be fun to see for myself what I think of the magnifying tool.
I liked the 23 because it had some essentials that I like...scissors, wood saw, magnifier, I think only one blade which will be adequate, plus it had a finger nail file, I like those.
I'll post my initial thoughts tomorrow, once it's in hand.
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I just tossed an EVOLUTION 23 into the cart and will have it tomorrow.
I figure it will come in handy for my side-by-side size comparison thread! :cheers: :tu: :rofl:
As a fellow magnifier enthusiast, I will be very interested in your impression.
I probably would have one by now except that I am having trouble deciding between the 23 & 28 (really like files)--analysis paralysis?
You have some fine SAKs and keep getting more...ever see the sign/bumper sticker "The one who dies with the most toys wins!"? :)
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+1!!! Great news!
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Sorry for the low quality picture, it's from a video review.
The shaft of the magnifier seems so long and a lot of unused surface area. I think I'm going to cut some SOLAS tape and tape it on.
Or maybe a mirror tape of some sort...something thin enough to not mess with stowing it away, but to be useful. Thoughts?
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2933/32767328464_90b0643195.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RVx8a3)
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Sorry for the low quality picture, it's from a video review.
The shaft of the magnifier seems so long and a lot of unused surface area. I think I'm going to cut some SOLAS tape and tape it on.
Or maybe a mirror tape of some sort...something thin enough to not mess with stowing it away, but to be useful. Thoughts?
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2933/32767328464_90b0643195.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RVx8a3)
Good idea! I don't think you will know if it will work until you try it.
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You have some fine SAKs and keep getting more...
It's true I do, I like vintage and new, does that mean I like them all? :ahhh
I thought it might be fun to see for myself what I think of the magnifying tool.
I liked the 23 because it had some essentials that I like...scissors, wood saw, magnifier, I think only one blade which will be adequate, plus it had a finger nail file, I like those.
I'll post my initial thoughts tomorrow, once it's in hand.
I have similar taste in essentials and definitely want the saw in larger assortment tools such as the Spirit X, Swiss Champ and LM Charge. I do seem to hesitate in just adding the saw and not the file (e.g., Farmer). On a practical level, I do like keeping my tools pristine and would not like retracting a SAK tool covered in tree sap. The fish scaler/hook disgorger is a tool that I would prefer to keep separate (haven't been fishing in over 40 years) for the same reason.
If I could choose a file instead, I would definitely prefer it and would use it confidently and just as confidently retract it when finished. Just before Christmas, my wife had ordered some nice water color sets for the little girls next door but the cases were difficult to open even for an adult. I used the file on my LM Squirt PS4 to fix the cases so that they were easy to open. I have a strong preference for files, hence the interest in the Evolution 28. So, I'm stuck between wanting the file but not wanting to add another layer. I think I will end up getting the 23.
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You have some fine SAKs and keep getting more...
It's true I do, I like vintage and new, does that mean I like them all? :ahhh
I thought it might be fun to see for myself what I think of the magnifying tool.
I liked the 23 because it had some essentials that I like...scissors, wood saw, magnifier, I think only one blade which will be adequate, plus it had a finger nail file, I like those.
I'll post my initial thoughts tomorrow, once it's in hand.
I have similar taste in essentials and definitely want the saw in larger assortment tools such as the Spirit X, Swiss Champ and LM Charge. I do seem to hesitate in just adding the saw and not the file (e.g., Farmer). On a practical level, I do like keeping my tools pristine and would not like retracting a SAK tool covered in tree sap. The fish scaler/hook disgorger is a tool that I would prefer to keep separate (haven't been fishing in over 40 years) for the same reason.
If I could choose a file instead, I would definitely prefer it and would use it confidently and just as confidently retract it when finished. Just before Christmas, my wife had ordered some nice water color sets for the little girls next door but the cases were difficult to open even for an adult. I used the file on my LM Squirt PS4 to fix the cases so that they were easy to open. I have a strong preference for files, hence the interest in the Evolution 28. So, I'm stuck between wanting the file but not wanting to add another layer. I think I will end up getting the 23.
l always want the saw and file probably because the first SAK I had did not have either and it seemed I always came across something that they would have been nice to have at the time. But honestly I dont use either one unless I plan to. The Scaler I find is very useful, it's one of those pointed stick things that fills the bill at the time. I have used it to Strip Wires, Cut Bread, Drywall Saw, Poke things that need poking, Letter opener, Carving Pumkins, Range finder,etc etc.. it is quite the amazing little tool limited mostly by imagination. I probably use it more than the knife.
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Evo 23 arrived yesterday. Here are my initial thoughts.
Tools have great snap.
I like the looks of the scissor design. That lever just looks sturdier even though I haven't used my Victorinox scissors enough to ever have a spring fail.
I like the tweezer/toothpick on the outside. Really wish this had plus scales.
I haven't warmed up to the magnifying lens yet. It's probably operator error. The diameter of the lens is small. The shaft of the tool is long & wide making that layer thick in the knife.
I like the one blade on it. Seems to have a little extra belly on the blade.
I like 85mm.
It feels similar to a roll of nickels in the hand. If I'm ever in a bar fight, I'll remember to clutch my knife while making that first swing. :cheers:
I'll keep it.
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Evo 23 arrived yesterday. Here are my initial thoughts.
Tools have great snap.
I like the looks of the scissor design. That lever just looks sturdier even though I haven't used my Victorinox scissors enough to ever have a spring fail.
I like the tweezer/toothpick on the outside. Really wish this had plus scales.
I haven't warmed up to the magnifying lens yet. It's probably operator error. The diameter of the lens is small. The shaft of the tool is long & wide making that layer thick in the knife.
I like the one blade on it. Seems to have a little extra belly on the blade.
I like 85mm.
It feels similar to a roll of nickels in the hand. If I'm ever in a bar fight, I'll remember to clutch my knife while making that first swing. :cheers:
I'll keep it.
Hope it works well for you. The extra length of the magnifier comes in handy at times. The 85mm length fits in the coin pocket jeans better also.
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Evo 23 arrived yesterday. Here are my initial thoughts.
Tools have great snap.
I like the looks of the scissor design. That lever just looks sturdier even though I haven't used my Victorinox scissors enough to ever have a spring fail.
I like the tweezer/toothpick on the outside. Really wish this had plus scales.
I haven't warmed up to the magnifying lens yet. It's probably operator error. The diameter of the lens is small. The shaft of the tool is long & wide making that layer thick in the knife.
I like the one blade on it. Seems to have a little extra belly on the blade.
I like 85mm.
It feels similar to a roll of nickels in the hand. If I'm ever in a bar fight, I'll remember to clutch my knife while making that first swing. :cheers:
I'll keep it.
Greetings, FB!
Thank you for taking the time to describe your impressions!
Prior to getting various tools with scissors utilizing a bar for a spring, I was expecting them to be just as described in multiple YouTube videos (superior to Vic SAKs). However, I did run into difficulty with at least three of my LM Juice models (sticking) and that problem was addressed with lubrication. The problem did have me going for awhile. This experience reinforced my understanding that no tool is perfect and it also helped me better appreciate my Victorinox scissors. I realized that if I couldn't resolve a problem with the bar acting as a spring, there would be no replacement remedy as there would with a Victorinox spring replacement.
I was particularly interested in your comments about the magnifier. The 8x Grey frame magnifier has been my ideal as it suits me perfectly. It is noticeably narrower than the clear-framed 6x magnifier of 2012 (and the plastic one as well) and yet it still delivers the desired functionality and is very comfortable to use. I do have a concern whether the narrower magnifier on the Evolution 23 would be too narrow.
Again, thanks for describing your impressions! I hope you thoroughly enjoy your new acquisition!
:cheers:
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Evo 23 arrived yesterday. Here are my initial thoughts.
Tools have great snap.
I like the looks of the scissor design. That lever just looks sturdier even though I haven't used my Victorinox scissors enough to ever have a spring fail.
I like the tweezer/toothpick on the outside. Really wish this had plus scales.
I haven't warmed up to the magnifying lens yet. It's probably operator error. The diameter of the lens is small. The shaft of the tool is long & wide making that layer thick in the knife.
I like the one blade on it. Seems to have a little extra belly on the blade.
I like 85mm.
It feels similar to a roll of nickels in the hand. If I'm ever in a bar fight, I'll remember to clutch my knife while making that first swing. :cheers:
I'll keep it.
Congrats on the new toy and I too appreciate you posting your impressions on it. :tu:
I like that one too except for the saw and no inline philips. If it had the saw removed and added an inline philips it would be a nice urban EDC like the Explorer! I think the mag lens design is kinda strange but only because I have only had and used the Vic's setup. Do you know what mag power it is? I don't remember seeing that listed in this thread so I am curious! Let us know your thoughts on the mag once you get to play with it more!
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Evo 23 arrived yesterday. Here are my initial thoughts.
Tools have great snap.
I like the looks of the scissor design. That lever just looks sturdier even though I haven't used my Victorinox scissors enough to ever have a spring fail.
I like the tweezer/toothpick on the outside. Really wish this had plus scales.
I haven't warmed up to the magnifying lens yet. It's probably operator error. The diameter of the lens is small. The shaft of the tool is long & wide making that layer thick in the knife.
I like the one blade on it. Seems to have a little extra belly on the blade.
I like 85mm.
It feels similar to a roll of nickels in the hand. If I'm ever in a bar fight, I'll remember to clutch my knife while making that first swing. :cheers:
I'll keep it.
Congrats on the new toy and I too appreciate you posting your impressions on it. :tu:
I like that one too except for the saw and no inline philips. If it had the saw removed and added an inline philips it would be a nice urban EDC like the Explorer! I think the mag lens design is kinda strange but only because I have only had and used the Vic's setup. Do you know what mag power it is? I don't remember seeing that listed in this thread so I am curious! Let us know your thoughts on the mag once you get to play with it more!
My thought is if they removed the current mag layer and inserted the mag/inline phillips it would get some serious EDC time, that and plus scales. :tu:
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The mags:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2816/33513827501_bdb9f476d5_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/T4v8j6)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3681/33486683292_421128e332_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/T271hu)
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I can understand the want of a dedicated philips, but the nail file doubles as a Philips for small screws and the can opener works on Philips as well.
The nail file is a good striker for strike any where type matches.
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I can understand the want of a dedicated philips, but the nail file doubles as a Philips for small screws and the can opener works on Philips as well.
The nail file is a good striker for strike any where type matches.
That's true and this Eco 23 has a lot going for it.
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Evo 23 arrived yesterday. Here are my initial thoughts.
Tools have great snap.
I like the looks of the scissor design. That lever just looks sturdier even though I haven't used my Victorinox scissors enough to ever have a spring fail.
I like the tweezer/toothpick on the outside. Really wish this had plus scales.
I haven't warmed up to the magnifying lens yet. It's probably operator error. The diameter of the lens is small. The shaft of the tool is long & wide making that layer thick in the knife.
I like the one blade on it. Seems to have a little extra belly on the blade.
I like 85mm.
It feels similar to a roll of nickels in the hand. If I'm ever in a bar fight, I'll remember to clutch my knife while making that first swing. :cheers:
I'll keep it.
Congrats FB!!!!! Don't forget to let the tip of the corkscrew stick out between your middle and ring finger and slowly knock on the table top.... It's a motivational image that goes a long way in stopping a fight before it starts... :D (and no, I was not in a shady Del Rio, Texas bar in 1978 where this scenario may or may not have played out) :whistle:
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Congrats FB!!!!! Don't forget to let the tip of the corkscrew stick out between your middle and ring finger and slowly knock on the table top.... It's a motivational image that goes a long way in stopping a fight before it starts... :D (and no, I was not in a shady Del Rio, Texas bar in 1978 where this scenario may or may not have played out) :whistle:
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Sounds like making of another B movie. The Texas Cork Screw Massacre
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Sounds like making of another B movie. The Texas Cork Screw Massacre
:rofl: There may or may not be a Tarantino email in my box and if there were, I'm possibly ignoring him (or not) so no comment...... 8)
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The mags:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2816/33513827501_bdb9f476d5_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/T4v8j6)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3681/33486683292_421128e332_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/T271hu)
Thanks for the comparison photos!!!
Wow! It's tiny!
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Sounds like making of another B movie. The Texas Cork Screw Massacre
:rofl: There may or may not be a Tarantino email in my box and if there were, I'm possibly ignoring him (or not) so no comment...... 8)
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :2tu:
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:D
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Update, I have decided to return the Evo 23 to Amazon. Although I love the size of the Evo 23, the magnifier is too small for my aging eyes, either that or I'm too used to the ones on the Explorer/SwissChamp.
If the Evo 23 had the larger mag and some plus scales, that would be one I would keep.
Decided to do a photo shoot before packaging it up:
Left to right S17, Evo 23, Evo 18
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2826/33566020832_3963682443_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/T97Cz7)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3947/33681541236_c087f791cb_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TjjGLd)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3871/32908761293_da1bf626f5_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/S931d6)
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Am carrying a unique Wenger with a mag today...it's uncataloged (so far) so I'm calling it a "Deluxe Traveler".
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz256/SAKGuy/Non%20catalog%20Wenger%20%20%203-29-17_zpsgnjfybvt.jpg)
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Update, I have decided to return the Evo 23 to Amazon. Although I love the size of the Evo 23, the magnifier is too small for my aging eyes, either that or I'm too used to the ones on the Explorer/SwissChamp.
If the Evo 23 had the larger mag and some plus scales, that would be one I would keep.
Decided to do a photo shoot before packaging it up:
Left to right S17, Evo 23, Evo 18
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2826/33566020832_3963682443_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/T97Cz7)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3947/33681541236_c087f791cb_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TjjGLd)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3871/32908761293_da1bf626f5_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/S931d6)
The magnifier size was my chief concern. Over 90% of my magnifier use has been with the grey-framed magnifier. It suits my requirements but the magnifier area is just big enough to be useful. Since the Evo 23 is noticeably smaller, it makes sense that it would be too small to be useful. Thank you so much for sharing your findings. I will be suspending my plans to get an Evo 28.
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Update, I have decided to return the Evo 23 to Amazon. Although I love the size of the Evo 23, the magnifier is too small for my aging eyes, either that or I'm too used to the ones on the Explorer/SwissChamp.
If the Evo 23 had the larger mag and some plus scales, that would be one I would keep.
Decided to do a photo shoot before packaging it up:
Left to right S17, Evo 23, Evo 18
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2826/33566020832_3963682443_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/T97Cz7)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3947/33681541236_c087f791cb_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TjjGLd)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3871/32908761293_da1bf626f5_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/S931d6)
Glad you and Jim were able to evaluate and decide on the Wenger Style Mags!!!
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SG, I owe you & FB a great deal of thanks for the pictorial comparisons. The information that I gained from this thread has been very helpful and has provided me with insights I would not have had otherwise. Although I have no intentions of purchasing a Delemonte magnifier SAK anytime soon, I may eventually get the Evolution 23 to have a sample of the Wenger-style magnifier. Realistically, I don't see myself using the Evo 23 magnifier instead of the Explorer magnifier but I think that I might enjoy having it in my collection.
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SG, I owe you & FB a great deal of thanks for the pictorial comparisons. The information that I gained from this thread has been very helpful and has provided me with insights I would not have had otherwise. Although I have no intentions of purchasing a Delemonte magnifier SAK anytime soon, I may eventually get the Evolution 23 to have a sample of the Wenger-style magnifier. Realistically, I don't see myself using the Evo 23 magnifier instead of the Explorer magnifier but I think that I might enjoy having it in my collection.
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You're welcome Jim!!!! It's a different world view I think...the Wenger mag may be intended to be more of a field expedient fire starter than a reading aid....make sense with it's higher power. Wenger does have a lot of themed models aimed at outdoor sports/hiking and the concept (effective in practice or not) of high efficiency emergency fire starter might fit well into that "outdoors" mindset vs Vics multipurpose optical aid. Just musing about the different designs.
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SG, I owe you & FB a great deal of thanks for the pictorial comparisons. The information that I gained from this thread has been very helpful and has provided me with insights I would not have had otherwise. Although I have no intentions of purchasing a Delemonte magnifier SAK anytime soon, I may eventually get the Evolution 23 to have a sample of the Wenger-style magnifier. Realistically, I don't see myself using the Evo 23 magnifier instead of the Explorer magnifier but I think that I might enjoy having it in my collection.
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You're welcome Jim!!!! It's a different world view I think...the Wenger mag may be intended to be more of a field expedient fire starter than a reading aid....make sense with it's higher power. Wenger does have a lot of themed models aimed at outdoor sports/hiking and the concept (effective in practice or not) of high efficiency emergency fire starter might fit well into that "outdoors" mindset vs Vics multipurpose optical aid. Just musing about the different designs.
Very good point! I have been thinking of my own needs and requirements such as reading small print such as the serial or model number of a tool or battery. I was forgetting the outdoors focus of the Wenger-style tools in question and the likely role of the magnifier as a fire starter.
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The real difference between the magnifiers is when you hold them close to the eye.like Sherlock Holmes or the guys examining a diamond in the movies. It gives the best view out the Vic and the Wenger.
Neither is very good st fire starting. It can be done but both are really too small for that.
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I always wondered about the durability of the Wenger lens.
Since it's mounted in-line with the slotted screwdriver, does torque warp the frame the lens is mounted in?
If Wenger uses glass lenses this might pose a problem.
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I always wondered about the durability of the Wenger lens.
Since it's mounted in-line with the slotted screwdriver, does torque warp the frame the lens is mounted in?
If Wenger uses glass lenses this might pose a problem.
My only observation on this is in the many hundreds of used SAKs that have passed through my hands over the years, I have seen a number Wengers (maybe 3 out of 10-15 with mags) with no glass in the mag...100% of the Vics have had glass.
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My only observation on this is in the many hundreds of used SAKs that have passed through my hands over the years, I have seen a number Wengers (maybe 3 out of 10-15 with mags) with no glass in the mag...100% of the Vics have had glass.
Well, without a lens you at least have 1x magnification :rofl:
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My only observation on this is in the many hundreds of used SAKs that have passed through my hands over the years, I have seen a number Wengers (maybe 3 out of 10-15 with mags) with no glass in the mag...100% of the Vics have had glass.
Well, without a lens you at least have 1x magnification :rofl:
:rofl: Yeah and one summer I used and old Monarch's mag for a bubble blower with the grandkids....it blew a lot of really small bubbles. :D
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My only observation on this is in the many hundreds of used SAKs that have passed through my hands over the years, I have seen a number Wengers (maybe 3 out of 10-15 with mags) with no glass in the mag...100% of the Vics have had glass.
Well, without a lens you at least have 1x magnification :rofl:
:rofl: Yeah and one summer I used and old Monarch's mag for a bubble blower with the grandkids....it blew a lot of really small bubbles. :D
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