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PST #1
• Rivets or knurled screws?
Knurled screws.
• Lanyard attachment?
Yes
• (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot?
Old
• LEATHERMAN cast into plier pivot, along with USA or TOOL?
Yes, USA
• A hard wire cutter notch?
Yes
• Handles stamped with what? (see pictures in next post for examples)
Leatherman Tool, Portland OR
• Inch ruler only, or inch/metric?
Inch/metric
• Date codes? What are they?
0900/0900
• Drop point knife blade or clip point?
Clip point
• Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN, JAPAN, or USA?
Leatherman -USA-
PST #2
• Rivets or knurled screws?
Knurled screws.
• Lanyard attachment?
Yes
• (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot?
Old
• LEATHERMAN cast into plier pivot, along with USA or TOOL?
Yes, USA
• A hard wire cutter notch?
Yes
• Handles stamped with what? (see pictures in next post for examples)
Leatherman Tool, Portland OR
• Inch ruler only, or inch/metric?
Inch/metric
• Date codes? What are they?
0298/0298
• Drop point knife blade or clip point?
Clip point
• Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN, JAPAN, or USA?
Leatherman USA
PST #3
• Rivets or knurled screws?
Knurled screws.
• Lanyard attachment?
Yes
• (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot?
Old
• LEATHERMAN cast into plier pivot, along with USA or TOOL?
Yes, USA
• A hard wire cutter notch?
No
• Handles stamped with what? (see pictures in next post for examples)
Leatherman Tool, Portland OR, US REG TM 1325473
• Inch ruler only, or inch/metric?
Inch/metric
• Date codes? What are they?
0296/0296
• Drop point knife blade or clip point?
Clip point
• Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN, JAPAN, or USA?
Leatherman USA
PST #4
• Rivets or knurled screws?
Knurled screws.
• Lanyard attachment?
Yes
• (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot?
Old
• LEATHERMAN cast into plier pivot, along with USA or TOOL?
Yes, USA
• A hard wire cutter notch?
Yes
• Handles stamped with what? (see pictures in next post for examples)
Leatherman Tool, Portland OR
• Inch ruler only, or inch/metric?
Inch/metric
• Date codes? What are they?
0596/0696
• Drop point knife blade or clip point?Clip pointSaber
• Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN, JAPAN, or USA?
Leatherman USA
Does your PST have:
• Rivets or knurled screws?
Knurled
• Lanyard attachment?
SYes
• (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot?
Don't know, need basis of comparison
• LEATHERMAN cast into plier pivot, along with USA or TOOL?
Leatherman and USA
• A hard wire cutter notch?
No, only self-inflicted damage
• Handles stamped with what? (see pictures in next post for examples)
Leatherman(R) Tool; US REG TM 1325473; PORTAND OR
• Inch ruler only, or inch/metric?
Inch/Metric
• Date codes? What are they?
0294/0394
• Drop point knife blade or clip point?
Clip Point (I think)
• Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN, JAPAN, or USA?
Leatherman USA
.......It's also notable that Spoon has two 96 PSTs, only with hard wire cutter and one without. Maybe that's the year it was added in?
Oookay:
• LEATHERMAN cast into plier pivot, along with USA or TOOL?
LEATHERMAN TOOL
Oookay:
• LEATHERMAN cast into plier pivot, along with USA or TOOL?
LEATHERMAN TOOL
Dave, when you get a moment could you double check this? I would think a 1993 model would have USA cast on the plier pivot.
Thanks! :)
LEATHERMAN name only around pivot, the other word is ground out as if the mold was altered
Bob - it is the middle of the three blades (sabre) on the PST I mentioned.
LEATHERMAN name only around pivot, the other word is ground out as if the mold was altered
That's interesting. I've seen the Juice models with USA ground out, but never a PST. Keep hold of that one appletreeman ( or trade it with me :D ).
I can confirm that my 0294/0394 PST has the smaller pivot, no hardwire notch, and the knife blade is of the saber-type.
Bob - it is the middle of the three blades (sabre) on the PST I mentioned.
Ahh good, so we've narrowed it down to sometime after 1993 that they switched to the new knife blade. (Darn, I should have been asking about this from the start so we could see what Spoony's 1996's were) :-\
AppleTree, is that the PST I traded you?I'm not sure, i've had 4 pass through my hands over the months, this is the only one I have now.
Does your PST have:
• Rivets or knurled screws?
• Lanyard attachment?
• (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot?
• LEATHERMAN cast into plier pivot, along with USA or TOOL?
• A hard wire cutter notch?
• Handles stamped with what? (see pictures in next post for examples)
• Inch ruler only, or inch/metric?
• Date codes? What are they?
• Drop point knife blade or clip point? (saber?)
• Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN, JAPAN, or USA?
Changed info from Ringzero's,no rivets,or Japan Blade,see above in blue.Does your PST have:SMITTY44 INFO
• Rivets or knurled screws?
• Lanyard attachment?
• (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot?
• LEATHERMAN cast into plier pivot, along with USA or TOOL?
• A hard wire cutter notch?
• Handles stamped with what? (see pictures in next post for examples)
• Inch ruler only, or inch/metric?
• Date codes? What are they?
• Drop point knife blade or clip point? (saber?)
• Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN, JAPAN, or USA?
-Knurled screws
-No Lanyard attachment
-Old plier pivot
-Plier pivot (both sides):
"LEATHERMAN" (no USA)
-No hard wire notch
-Handle stamp (one side only):
"LEATHERMAN TOOL (small print),US PAT 4238862, Portland OR.
On the top handle CABELA'S,in large writing
-Inch ruled only
-Drop point blade, with LEATHERMAN on side of blade,not stamped
U.S.A.
-Blade tang:Blank
-Milled Awl blade
-Off center screwdrivers pivet in
-Can opener has left hand cut.
-Ordered from Cabela's late in 1983
.
-Rivets
-Lanyard attachment
-Old plier pivot
-Plier pivot (both sides):
"LEATHERMAN" (no USA)
-No hard wire notch
-Handle stamp (one side only):
"LEATHERMAN TOOL
REG'D TM 1325473"
-Inch ruled only
-Drop point blade
-Blade tang:
"LEATHERMAN
JAPAN"
.
SMITTY44 INFO
-Knurled screws
-No Lanyard attachment
-Old plier pivot
-Plier pivot (both sides):
"LEATHERMAN" (no USA)
-No hard wire notch
-Handle stamp (one side only):
"LEATHERMAN TOOL (small print),US PAT 4238862, Portland OR.
On the top handle CABELA'S,in large writing
-Inch ruled only
-Drop point blade, with LEATHERMAN on side of blade,not stamped
U.S.A.
-Blade tang:Blank
-Milled Awl blade
-Off center screwdrivers pivet in
-Can opener has left hand cut.
-Ordered from Cabela's late in 1983
Bob - it is the middle of the three blades (sabre) on the PST I mentioned.
Ahh good, so we've narrowed it down to sometime after 1993 that they switched to the new knife blade. (Darn, I should have been asking about this from the start so we could see what Spoony's 1996's were) :-\
My OP has been updated, the only one of four has the Saber blade.
A possibly useful compilation of the info contributed in this thread thus far, in Excel spreadsheet, so that it's a bit easier to compare the tools. I like looking at puzzles during my lunch hour, so sue me. ???
*edit*
shoved the spreadsheet into a Word document due to forum limitations
See LM history on attch link http://www.leatherman.com/about-leatherman/history/default.aspSMITTY44 INFO
-Knurled screws
-No Lanyard attachment
-Old plier pivot
-Plier pivot (both sides):
"LEATHERMAN" (no USA)
-No hard wire notch
-Handle stamp (one side only):
"LEATHERMAN TOOL (small print),US PAT 4238862, Portland OR.
On the top handle CABELA'S,in large writing
-Inch ruled only
-Drop point blade, with LEATHERMAN on side of blade,not stamped
U.S.A.
-Blade tang:Blank
-Milled Awl blade
-Off center screwdrivers pivet in
-Can opener has left hand cut.
-Ordered from Cabela's late in 1983
Wow, another oldy with LEATHERMAN TOOL stamped on the handle and yet an inch-only ruler. Amazing! :)
Ordered from Cabelas in 1983 eh Smitty? Surprising that it has knurled screws instead of rivets. That would suggest that Leatherman dropped the rivets earlier than I'd thought. :think:
A spreadsheet is the right way to compile this info Woofer. Great idea! :) I must admit to being Excell-challenged though. :(
Okay now thats a combination that I haven't seen before RZ. A "Japan" knife blade combined with handles that say "LEATHERMAN TOOL" and have an inch-only ruler. Any way you can post a picture of the handles, similar to those in Reply #3 ??
Bob - it is the middle of the three blades (sabre) on the PST I mentioned.
Ahh good, so we've narrowed it down to sometime after 1993 that they switched to the new knife blade. (Darn, I should have been asking about this from the start so we could see what Spoony's 1996's were) :-\
My OP has been updated, the only one of four has the Saber blade.
Hey, thats interesting!
One of your 1996 tools has no saber blade/no hard wire notch/handles stamped with reg number.
The other 1996 has yes saber/yes hard wire notch/no reg number.
That pretty well nails down 1996 as the year all three of those changes were made. :)
One last thing Spoony; are the screwdrivers on both models the same? (are they old pivot-in-under-pressure, or new pivot-out-under-pressure?)
2000??
• New off center screwdrivers pivot OUT
Okay now thats a combination that I haven't seen before RZ. A "Japan" knife blade combined with handles that say "LEATHERMAN TOOL" and have an inch-only ruler. Any way you can post a picture of the handles, similar to those in Reply #3 ??
..........I'll see about borrowing a decent camera to try and get a few pics that'll be worth posting.
Can you decipher the approx date of manufacture from that "REG'D TM" number? Think LM has a record of when they switched over from stamping Trademark Numbers to Patent Numbers?
I don't see additonal numbers anywhere, including inside the handles. Is there anywhere in particular to check for date codes that I might be overlooking?
Also, I'm still not clear on what year LM changed from using rivets to the knurled screws?
2000??
• New off center screwdrivers pivot OUT
Hey Bob, I do have another PST in storage that I didn't give all the info on in the thread. Call it my PST #5. What I can tell from the pictures I posted a long time ago; it is a 0599 model with a newer-pivoting-out phillips and medium flathead drivers.
The flathead has the side nail nick and not the top nail-ridge like the 00 model I have. Hope this helps!
• Date codes?
0898
• Screwdrivers: pivot-in or pivot-out?
Out
Bit earlier with the driver pivot!
2000??
• New off center screwdrivers pivot OUT
Hey Bob, I do have another PST in storage that I didn't give all the info on in the thread. Call it my PST #5. What I can tell from the pictures I posted a long time ago; it is a 0599 model with a newer-pivoting-out phillips and medium flathead drivers.
The flathead has the side nail nick and not the top nail-ridge like the 00 model I have. Hope this helps!
Hmmmm, is that the same thing Spoonrobot was talking about a few posts ago?2000??
• New off center screwdrivers pivot OUT
Hey Bob, I do have another PST in storage that I didn't give all the info on in the thread. Call it my PST #5. What I can tell from the pictures I posted a long time ago; it is a 0599 model with a newer-pivoting-out phillips and medium flathead drivers.
The flathead has the side nail nick and not the top nail-ridge like the 00 model I have. Hope this helps!
J-sews possibly does this thread need to be stickied so not to be lost in the mix :) I mean the PST did have a big hand in all this MT thing anyway ::) and this is the largest collection of info on several PSTs that I have ever seen :D
J-sews possibly does this thread need to be stickied so not to be lost in the mix :) I mean the PST did have a big hand in all this MT thing anyway ::) and this is the largest collection of info on several PSTs that I have ever seen :D
Sure Poncho, good idea. Consider it stickified. :)
Okay now thats a combination that I haven't seen before RZ. A "Japan" knife blade combined with handles that say "LEATHERMAN TOOL" and have an inch-only ruler.
I'd really like to see that picture someday RZ. Hope you can borrow a camera someday soon. :)
My best guess as to when they discontinued rivets had been 1984/1985. But now Smitty reports that he has a PST from late 1983 that has knurled screws. Hmmm, that means the rivets were only used for about one year.
The first-post survey questions have evolved somewhat since we started. Here is the latest:I'm know I'm late to the party Bob, but heres my PSTs
Please take a look at your PST and tell us where it fits in. Does your PST have:
• Rivets or knurled screws?
• Lanyard attachment?
• (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot?
• LEATHERMAN alone cast into plier pivot? Or with USA? Or TOOL?
• A hard wire cutter notch?
• Handles stamped with what? (see pictures in next post for examples)
• Inch ruler only, or inch/metric?
• Date codes?
• Drop point knife blade or clip point? (saber?)
• Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN alone? Or with USA? Or JAPAN?
• Screwdrivers: pivot-in or pivot-out?
Okay now thats a combination that I haven't seen before RZ. A "Japan" knife blade combined with handles that say "LEATHERMAN TOOL" and have an inch-only ruler.
I'd always assumed that my LM Tool was made in Japan and never thought any less of it for that.
Since there's no USA stamp on it anywhere, but there is that "JAPAN" stamped on the blade tang, I always thought the whole thing was made in Japan.
But, you say that only the blade was made in Japan and the rest of it was made in the USA?
Okay now thats a combination that I haven't seen before RZ. A "Japan" knife blade combined with handles that say "LEATHERMAN TOOL" and have an inch-only ruler.
I'd always assumed that my LM Tool was made in Japan and never thought any less of it for that.
Since there's no USA stamp on it anywhere, but there is that "JAPAN" stamped on the blade tang, I always thought the whole thing was made in Japan.
But, you say that only the blade was made in Japan and the rest of it was made in the USA?
Well now that's an interesting theory. Maybe only the knife blade was made in Japan? Could be! :-\
Hey RZ, just to be clear, is the LEATHERMAN stamped in large letter font on your handle? Or small letter font?
Hey fellers, I have to leave for a couple days. I haven't gotten a chance to check out Woofer's spreadsheet yet. I also haven't checked out Joe's yet, and he sent it to me yesterday. :P
This project is exciting. Keep the fire burning under it until I get back on Saturday please. I'll have some more info to add then. :)
Bob
Oh, and somebody poke Benner and Def, I know they've got PST's and haven't reported in yet :pok: :pok: :D
Couple of snaps.Also on my KF4 :o http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll287/multimat426/multitools/77a5ab71.jpg[/img]](http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll287/multimat426/multitools/77a5ab71.jpg) (http://[IMG)
(http://i37.tinypic.com/2i7ltgz.jpg)
(http://i34.tinypic.com/2qcku0z.jpg)
I'm know I'm late to the party Bob, but heres my PSTs.....
PST #6
• Rivets or knurled screws?
Rivets
• Lanyard attachment?
Yes
• (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot?
Old
• LEATHERMAN cast into plier pivot, along with USA or TOOL?
Yes, neither
• A hard wire cutter notch?
No
• Handles stamped with what? (see pictures in next post for examples)
LEATHERMAN TOOL, REG'D TM 1325473
• Inch ruler only, or inch/metric?
Inch
• Date codes? What are they?
N/A
• Drop point knife blade or clip point?
Drop Point
• Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN, JAPAN, or USA?
Leatherman Japan
PST #6Photos man photos :ahhh And congrats Spoony well done
• Rivets or knurled screws?
Rivets
• Lanyard attachment?
Yes
• (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot?
Old
• LEATHERMAN cast into plier pivot, along with USA or TOOL?
Yes, neither
• A hard wire cutter notch?
No
• Handles stamped with what? (see pictures in next post for examples)
LEATHERMAN TOOL, REG'D TM 1325473
• Inch ruler only, or inch/metric?
Inch
• Date codes? What are they?
N/A
• Drop point knife blade or clip point?
Drop Point
• Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN, JAPAN, or USA?
Leatherman Japan
Hmm. Unsure if it's effective use of time to update the compilation I started, in light of the fact that so many of the parts seem to depend on which parts were most readily available rather than consistent design choices.
The new info in Reply 81,looks good to me Bob,and thanks for all your wisdom and work on this subject that really started the multi era. :multi:
Sorry it's late, but here is my input.
The riveted PST obviously has no date mark, but the other was made in Dec 2000.
Here's some comparison pics for you. :)
So referring to Reply 81, do you see your riveted tool to be a category #5 and your newer tool to be a category #11 ?
....(Note some Japan tools appear to have handles obtained from the same source as some USA tools)....
....(Note Japan tools appear to have several of their blades obtained from the same source as USA tools)....
....(Note some Japan tools appear to have handles obtained from the same source as some USA tools)....
....(Note Japan tools appear to have several of their blades obtained from the same source as USA tools)....
Could these simply be warranty repairs? I.e. they were made in Japan, but were repaired in Portland?
Thanks for the update Bob,looks real good,I was going to mod my Cabelas PST,and my PSTII by putting the the drop point blade and milled awl on the PSTII,but I think I'll hold off now,and keep it original. :salute:
Thanks for the update Bob,looks real good,I was going to mod my Cabelas PST,and my PSTII by putting the the drop point blade and milled awl on the PSTII,but I think I'll hold off now,and keep it original. :salute:Smitty you could of been the first member banned for desecrating a holy relic :P :D :D :D
Couple of snaps.Also on my KF4 :o http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll287/multimat426/multitools/77a5ab71.jpg[/img]](http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll287/multimat426/multitools/77a5ab71.jpg) (http://[IMG)
(http://i37.tinypic.com/2i7ltgz.jpg)
(http://i34.tinypic.com/2qcku0z.jpg)
Was there not some crazy Californian law or reg that lead to Leatherman getting ride of the USA on there tools ? Gotta love lawyers >:(
:cheers: BenWas there not some crazy Californian law or reg that lead to Leatherman getting ride of the USA on there tools ? Gotta love lawyers >:(
All is revealed here http://tushnet.blogspot.com/2006/02/born-in-usa-but-not-stamped-here.html
Mine is stamped 0397, and the philips head goes deep inside the hand (I'm assuming that's pivot-in?), as does the slim flat.
The wider flat and mini flat is pivot-out though... ???
My lanyard attachment goes crooked out. Does anybody else have this?
There are also variations of the Japan stamped knife blade
the lenght of the knife blade,the nail nick and the stamping :-\
There are also variations of the Japan stamped knife blade
the lenght of the knife blade,the nail nick and the stamping :-\
Blimey.
So that's "Leatherman Japan", "Japan Leatherman" and simply "Leatherman" on the riveted tools then?
Patent Text | Blade Tang |
REG'D TM 1325473 | Leatherman Japan |
US REG'D TM 1325473 | Leatherman |
???3 | Japan Leatherman |
Ok - the one with "Japan Leatherman" - how exactly is the patent number written on the handles?
I have noticed this pattern you see:
Patent Text Blade Tang REG'D TM 1325473 Leatherman Japan US REG'D TM 1325473 Leatherman ???3 Japan Leatherman
This pattern seems to hold good on the tools I've seen in this site, but this is different again!
Hmmm - that's interesting. Does the tool have a lanyard attachment, and large font on the handles?
That was more difficult than it looked. :D
That was more difficult than it looked. :D
I can imagine - thanks Ben :salute:
I will post a picture of the big lanyard attachment later
I can't tell from your pics, does it have the hard wire notch in the cutters? I'm guessing not.
If that's correct, the lack of date codes and the presence of the metric ruler suggests that this tool was made in the late 1980s, before 1992.
It looks to be in great condition for its age!
I can't tell from your pics, does it have the hard wire notch in the cutters? I'm guessing not.
If that's correct, the lack of date codes and the presence of the metric ruler suggests that this tool was made in the late 1980s, before 1992.
It looks to be in great condition for its age!
thanx, I bought it last month at a pawn shop who is a LM dealer - it is new in box with all papers and leather sheath.
There is the hard wire notch / cutter in the head and " Hard Wire Cutters " is listed on the front of the box.
No date codes - I had a total of 5 new PST's - the other 4 had rivets and date codes, this on has none .
No date codes - I had a total of 5 new PST's - the other 4 had rivets and date codes,
this one with the knurled screw construction has no date code stamp .
Rivets WITH date codes? That's new isn't it?
Any chance of some pics?
^^ Like they said. We were lead to believe that the rivets disappeared long before the date codes appeared - so that would change the thinking considerably!
^^ Like they said. We were lead to believe that the rivets disappeared long before the date codes appeared - so that would change the thinking considerably!
Hi EdoTech,
What are the date codes on the four riveted PST models?
Thanks - Joe
Hi EdoTech,
What are the date codes on the four riveted PST models?
Thanks - Joe
Hi EdoTech,
What are the date codes on the four riveted PST models?
Thanks - Joe
Not sure now, they are all gone.
An early-early one, with an original user's guide. :)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/LeathermanPSTearly1980s.jpg)
How early is that one? Look at the can/bottle opener, it looks weird! As a matter of fact, all of that PST's tools look different!
Well that there is right at the top of my want list just now Bob. Until then, the closest I have is this one, which is identical, but has no markings except the US PAT number. It doesn't even say Leatherman. I'm not sure if it missed the machine, or maybe (and there are some signs to support this theory) some idiot removed the lettering :think:
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e10/DaveK-ToolPics/Vintage%20PST/earliest.jpg)
Do you s'pose it had a company promotional name on it Dave, that someone polished off?
:ahhh Man how do you guys have all the old tools :ahhh
:ahhh Man how do you guys have all the old tools :ahhh
I can't speak for Bob, but my answer would be "Not by chance" :D
I personally have spent years trawling ebay, contacting seller and asking them to look out for things etc. It actually takes a lot of time and effort.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/Reviews/Knives.jpg)
The middle style blade is nicknamed the "saber" because of its big sweeping clip point. Later on they made the clip point smaller (top picture)
I've got a sheath very similar to that poncho - but I can't tell if it's exactly the same. I bought it new quite recently.
:ahhh Upon looking into it some more I read on the 1st page of this thread and read the listing again and it said
LEATHERMAN TOOL US PAT. 4238862 PORTLAND OR. is on the handles :tu:
Which means it may be a mid to early 80s :drool: I am just hoping that this is all right (the listing I mean :ahhh ) :D
Can anybody tell I am a little excited :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :D
:ahhh Upon looking into it some more I read on the 1st page of this thread and read the listing again and it said
LEATHERMAN TOOL US PAT. 4238862 PORTLAND OR. is on the handles :tu:
Which means it may be a mid to early 80s :drool: I am just hoping that this is all right (the listing I mean :ahhh ) :D
Can anybody tell I am a little excited :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :D
Try not to pee yourself Ponch! :D
Oh by the way Dave, we are calling those early blades "drop points." I've also seen where Leatherman and Cabelas referred to that shape as "spey points."
The "saber points" are the next series that have the really deep, long clipped area:
They always do ponch, they always do. Let's hope they don't mean a mint like a lifesaver / polo, i.e. there's a big hole in the middle ;)
Say, there is one thing about these really early PST's that we haven't mentioned. On the insides of the handle channel, does yours by chance have somewhat of a bronze color to it?
Very nice mate. :tu: Someone has done a bit of a number on the blade edge though haven't they. :cry: Still I'm sure you can sort that out. :)
Very nice mate. :tu: Someone has done a bit of a number on the blade edge though haven't they. :cry: Still I'm sure you can sort that out. :)
Funny thing about that Gareth it doesn't ever seem to have been sharpened ::) it is razor sharp and seems factory :think: I guess Tim just wasn't as effective of a sharpener in the early days :D Could be wrong though :think: ;)
Very nice mate. :tu: Someone has done a bit of a number on the blade edge though haven't they. :cry: Still I'm sure you can sort that out. :)
Funny thing about that Gareth it doesn't ever seem to have been sharpened ::) it is razor sharp and seems factory :think: I guess Tim just wasn't as effective of a sharpener in the early days :D Could be wrong though :think: ;)
Really? The grind line on your close-up looks kind of wonky. As you say it could be that someone was having a bad day at the office.
Very nice mate. :tu: Someone has done a bit of a number on the blade edge though haven't they. :cry: Still I'm sure you can sort that out. :)
Funny thing about that Gareth it doesn't ever seem to have been sharpened ::) it is razor sharp and seems factory :think: I guess Tim just wasn't as effective of a sharpener in the early days :D Could be wrong though :think: ;)
Really? The grind line on your close-up looks kind of wonky. As you say it could be that someone was having a bad day at the office.
A lot of these tools look "different" than what you normally see on a PST the blade almost looks handmade :)
Say, there is one thing about these really early PST's that we haven't mentioned. On the insides of the handle channel, does yours by chance have somewhat of a bronze color to it?
I have to wait when I get home and check :tu:
Interesting reading on the pst. Kept me going for part of an evening. Here is mine. 07/95 vintage
sean
Finally got round to taking some pictures of the one and only original Leathervan;
Hopefully I covered most of the variables in those.
Interesting reading on the pst. Kept me going for part of an evening. Here is mine. 07/95 vintage
sean
Nice looking BO pst there Sean! 8)
Interesting reading on the pst. Kept me going for part of an evening. Here is mine. 07/95 vintage
sean
Nice looking BO pst there Sean! 8)
thanks man! :)
:think: Is the nail nick on your awl in the third pic going the length of the awl or is it just the pic playing with my mind :D
Nice pics by the way :o :D
:think: Is the nail nick on your awl in the third pic going the length of the awl or is it just the pic playing with my mind :D
Nice pics by the way :o :D
It's not a nail nick as such, but you can see a "ridge" that runs along the length of the awl - yes. It's a characteristic of the early milled awls. Is yours not the same?
This tool has evaded my clutches for a very long time. Until yesterday. Now, it is mine. Oh yes.
It is pristine. Obviously never used. And it has strange "hollow" screws on the reverse - which look cool 8)
Me neither!
Does, does.. does this mean I've a Leatherman that you don't have :o You sure you haven't just forgotten or something? :D
I can't make out Dennis - does it say Pocket Survival Tool on the handle? It looks as though there's some lettering there but it's a bit faint.Yes, it does say Pocket survival tool. The stamping is not as deep as later LMs. I do like the blades
Whether it does or not - you've gotta love that drop point blade, no?
I can't make out Dennis - does it say Pocket Survival Tool on the handle? It looks as though there's some lettering there but it's a bit faint.Yes, it does say Pocket survival tool. The stamping is not as deep as later LMs. I do like the blades
Whether it does or not - you've gotta love that drop point blade, no?
The blade on mine looks sharpened a little funny but I kid you not it is probably the sharpest knife I own :ahhh ::)don't ask me how I know :o :D
The blade on mine looks sharpened a little funny but I kid you not it is probably the sharpest knife I own :ahhh ::)don't ask me how I know :o :D
Oh - has it "bonded" with you ponch?
Only if you have a mind that operates at a certain level Ben :twak:
The blade on mine looks sharpened a little funny but I kid you not it is probably the sharpest knife I own :ahhh ::)don't ask me how I know :o :D
Oh - has it "bonded" with you ponch?
Only if you have a mind that operates at a certain level Ben :twak:
I do indeed have that level of mind. :D
a BO PST circa 1993 :D but sadly the blade was broke in the black 1 :cry: I knew going in it was like that though but I also got a nice vintage nylon LM sheath with it :tu:
a BO PST circa 1993 :D but sadly the blade was broke in the black 1 :cry: I knew going in it was like that though but I also got a nice vintage nylon LM sheath with it :tu:
Shame. Does it have a cap crimper?
No hollowed screws on this one.. But looks like it has seen very little use and is in VGC so I'm happy. The lettering is plain but my close up camera skills kinda suck.I can't make out Dennis - does it say Pocket Survival Tool on the handle? It looks as though there's some lettering there but it's a bit faint.Yes, it does say Pocket survival tool. The stamping is not as deep as later LMs. I do like the blades
Whether it does or not - you've gotta love that drop point blade, no?
Actually - I can see it now in the bottom picture! It looks similar to mine - you have to catch it in a certain light to make it really stand out. Does it have the "hollowed" screws on the back?
Hey - you know you get 20 questions when you post on this thread :D
No hollowed screws on this one.. But looks like it has seen very little use and is in VGC so I'm happy. The lettering is plain but my close up camera skills kinda suck.I can't make out Dennis - does it say Pocket Survival Tool on the handle? It looks as though there's some lettering there but it's a bit faint.Yes, it does say Pocket survival tool. The stamping is not as deep as later LMs. I do like the blades
Whether it does or not - you've gotta love that drop point blade, no?
Actually - I can see it now in the bottom picture! It looks similar to mine - you have to catch it in a certain light to make it really stand out. Does it have the "hollowed" screws on the back?
Hey - you know you get 20 questions when you post on this thread :D
a BO PST circa 1993 :D but sadly the blade was broke in the black 1 :cry: I knew going in it was like that though but I also got a nice vintage nylon LM sheath with it :tu:
Shame. Does it have a cap crimper?
Nope it has a regular plier head :)
a BO PST circa 1993 :D but sadly the blade was broke in the black 1 :cry: I knew going in it was like that though but I also got a nice vintage nylon LM sheath with it :tu:
Shame. Does it have a cap crimper?
Nope it has a regular plier head :)
Well that's one I've had no luck tracking down poncho - nice score :tu: We need to find you a blade!
This sheath is not padded at all and is very flexible just nylon and mesh :) I like the look of it but the nylon ones of just a little later with the padding seem a little nicer :tu: like the camo one I have I mean ;)
Good one Ponch :salute:.
I wonder if giving it a clear sealing top coat would help :think: :think: :think:
'99 dates, old style plier head, hard wire notch...yep, that all checks out Nuphoria :) Sounds like yours would have been one of the last ones made before they switched to the wider plier head (in early 2000)
'99 dates, old style plier head, hard wire notch...yep, that all checks out Nuphoria :) Sounds like yours would have been one of the last ones made before they switched to the wider plier head (in early 2000)
Cool, thanks. So what are they worth (ball park)?
Need to figure out whether I keep it all shiny and new or use it :think:
'99 dates, old style plier head, hard wire notch...yep, that all checks out Nuphoria :) Sounds like yours would have been one of the last ones made before they switched to the wider plier head (in early 2000)
Cool, thanks. So what are they worth (ball park)?
Need to figure out whether I keep it all shiny and new or use it :think:
I paid £20 for one in excellent condition. I don't know if that was more or less than the going rate but I've found it to be worth every penny and then some :D.
I got this one marked Pocket Survival Tool today. Very good shape. Check out the hole in the pivot.
First one I have seen like this. So no idea. The other side is a little mushroomed. That might be the wrong term. Hard to get a good picture of but its definately pushed in more in the center. Maybe they just hit this plier head a little hard with the press. Or however they do it.I got this one marked Pocket Survival Tool today. Very good shape. Check out the hole in the pivot.
Never seen a plier head with that tiny hole in the middle of it. Was that something left from the cast perhaps?
First one I have seen like this. So no idea. The other side is a little mushroomed. That might be the wrong term. Hard to get a good picture of but its definately pushed in more in the center. Maybe they just hit this plier head a little hard with the press. Or however they do it.I got this one marked Pocket Survival Tool today. Very good shape. Check out the hole in the pivot.
Never seen a plier head with that tiny hole in the middle of it. Was that something left from the cast perhaps?
Just slightly. What's your theory on the hole in the other side of the pivot?First one I have seen like this. So no idea. The other side is a little mushroomed. That might be the wrong term. Hard to get a good picture of but its definately pushed in more in the center. Maybe they just hit this plier head a little hard with the press. Or however they do it.I got this one marked Pocket Survival Tool today. Very good shape. Check out the hole in the pivot.
Never seen a plier head with that tiny hole in the middle of it. Was that something left from the cast perhaps?
Kinda concave is it then? I've never seen one like that before :think:
Just slightly. What's your theory on the hole in the other side of the pivot?First one I have seen like this. So no idea. The other side is a little mushroomed. That might be the wrong term. Hard to get a good picture of but its definately pushed in more in the center. Maybe they just hit this plier head a little hard with the press. Or however they do it.I got this one marked Pocket Survival Tool today. Very good shape. Check out the hole in the pivot.
Never seen a plier head with that tiny hole in the middle of it. Was that something left from the cast perhaps?
Kinda concave is it then? I've never seen one like that before :think:
Hey Bob I just got a 0393 and NA PST :D Yep 1 side has a datecode the other doesn't :ahhh :tu: and It also has a saber point blade :o So I guess that pretty well nails down that they swapped over from saber to clip point either sometime in 93 or at the first of 94 cause my other PST has (rather had when I first got it and not has again) a clip point blade :cheers:
Guess that makes the 1 leg from 1092 and before :D I believe that when you asked the big man himself he said that is when they started doing it anywyas right :think: :D
Nice vintage one there David! :tu: What it's missing is what makes it the most valuable. :) (the lanyard attachment)
I have learnt alot because of this thread :tu:
I can spot an old PST at 50 paces now (figuratively speaking of course ;) :D )
The number of variations can become mind numbing though :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :D
I have learnt alot because of this thread :tu:
I can spot an old PST at 50 paces now (figuratively speaking of course ;) :D )
The number of variations can become mind numbing though :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :D
So that explains why my mind is so numb! :P
Someone who knows better might come along and tell you different, but I think the older PST II weren't marked as such. It still sounds like a PST II to me. (great tool BTW :tu:)
More rivets. 8).
Welcome to the 'Rivet Club' Ponch 8) 8) 8) :tu: :D :D
I have a ? about plier heads my pst is dated 0999 mine has the old style pliers but with the hard wire notch without the triangle pointing to it.It looks like any standard pst from that range leatherman usa on plier , leatherman tool portland oregon in small letters on handle, clip point blade leatherman usa on it.
I think that's a pretty safe assumption! :gimme:
This is so interesting i cant wait for the kids to go to bed so i can read the lot, still love my 98 wave after all these years, i still have its original box and leather holder and manual and catalog of extras of the time,
paul
This is so interesting i cant wait for the kids to go to bed so i can read the lot, still love my 98 wave after all these years, i still have its original box and leather holder and manual and catalog of extras of the time,
paul
Can't wait to read 19 pages of drivvel about and old pair of pliers with some foldy blades? ???
lol i need a life mate :rofl: not just foldy blades but lots of flat screw drivers, you forgot about them lol
paul
(I like that Zed guy, he's my kind of people!) :D
(I like that Zed guy, he's my kind of people!) :DHe surely blends right in... :D
(I like that Zed guy, he's my kind of people!) :DHe surely blends right in... :D
I've got one like that. Weird isn't it :think:
Nice find though David :tu:
This one is almost mint and still tight.:gimme:
This one is almost mint and still tight.
Nice! :tu: Any other variations you still need to get David?
(I like that Zed guy, he's my kind of people!) :DHe surely blends right in... :D
You noticed it too :D :D
To be honest - I'm not really sure :think:
I have a bunch more coming from GG soon, so I'll have a look through when they arrive, and list the differences.
Dave out of interest how much would i be looking at to buy a old PST ,
paul
Dave out of interest how much would i be looking at to buy a old PST ,
paul
That's a very difficult thing to answer tbh Paul.
As they have been discontinued for so long, it really is a case of whatever you can find. Personally I probably wouldn't pay more than about 15 quid for one in reasonable shape, but if it was NIB, then maybe double that. It's hard to say really.
The "tools needed" forum here is always a good place to let people know what you're looking for.
People are really helpful in my experience here.
This would be easier if the "Japan" would have been stamped just a little higher :D Especially on the riveted ones ::) :D Still not home 2 see mine yet though :D
Do I remembering reading that LM were (are?) getting some files from Switzerland? Or am I thinking of something completely different? :think:
question - pliers stamped leatherman tool, 2002 with hard wire notch plus arrow, was they like this until 04 ?
question - pliers stamped leatherman tool, 2002 with hard wire notch plus arrow, was they like this until 04 ?
Yes, they kept that style head right up until the PST was discontinued in '04. Even the Cabelas Legacy PST's, which were assembled from parts leftover after 2004, used the new plier head:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/LeathermanPSTCabelasLegacy.jpg)
question - pliers stamped leatherman tool, 2002 with hard wire notch plus arrow, was they like this until 04 ?
Yes, they kept that style head right up until the PST was discontinued in '04. Even the Cabelas Legacy PST's, which were assembled from parts leftover after 2004, used the new plier head:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/LeathermanPSTCabelasLegacy.jpg)
well they certainly made that old stock worth a bomb :P
well they certainly made that old stock worth a bomb :P
Clever of them wasn't it? ::)
well they certainly made that old stock worth a bomb :P
Clever of them wasn't it? ::)
Only a total sucker would have bought those...... oh ::)
Oh yes definitely.
I think I paid $80 for mine - not sure.
Here's the thread from that time: http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,5291.msg88982.html#msg88982
OK I have a confession; I don't play with or carry my PST much. :-[ But I was using it this morning and noticed something for the first time, that is that the file has washers on both sides and so is non-clumping. It's a 2002 PST and I was wondering if the earlier models were the same?
OK I have a confession; I don't play with or carry my PST much. :-[ But I was using it this morning and noticed something for the first time, that is that the file has washers on both sides and so is non-clumping. It's a 2002 PST and I was wondering if the earlier models were the same?
well my 01 pst2 doesnt clump on the file, and nor does the later 80's pst, possibly they all do this ?
OK I have a confession; I don't play with or carry my PST much. :-[ But I was using it this morning and noticed something for the first time, that is that the file has washers on both sides and so is non-clumping. It's a 2002 PST and I was wondering if the earlier models were the same?
well my 01 pst2 doesnt clump on the file, and nor does the later 80's pst, possibly they all do this ?
Cheers Paul, at least it's not just me. :) Is there an obvious gap on either side of the file where the washers are?
OK I have a confession; I don't play with or carry my PST much. :-[ But I was using it this morning and noticed something for the first time, that is that the file has washers on both sides and so is non-clumping. It's a 2002 PST and I was wondering if the earlier models were the same?
well my 01 pst2 doesnt clump on the file, and nor does the later 80's pst, possibly they all do this ?
Cheers Paul, at least it's not just me. :) Is there an obvious gap on either side of the file where the washers are?
not a obvious gap but its there, i really must get them both out later and have a fiddle with the clumping situation , although i like clumping :-\
OK I have a confession; I don't play with or carry my PST much. :-[ But I was using it this morning and noticed something for the first time, that is that the file has washers on both sides and so is non-clumping. It's a 2002 PST and I was wondering if the earlier models were the same?
well my 01 pst2 doesnt clump on the file, and nor does the later 80's pst, possibly they all do this ?
Cheers Paul, at least it's not just me. :) Is there an obvious gap on either side of the file where the washers are?
not a obvious gap but its there, i really must get them both out later and have a fiddle with the clumping situation , although i like clumping :-\
AFAIK there's not much to be done, plus I'm not sure you'd want to get rid of it completely. I don't fancy having to get out the medium flat or phillips driver if they didn't clump with the tools next to them. The only one I'd really like to see pop out on it's own would be the knife (as I think they have done on the ST300).
Yup - washers either side of the file is normal. I've seen it in the earliest models.
I'm not sure if it was a conscious effort to stop clumping, or more likely something to do with preventing the harder metal wearing down prematurely.
Well, it's a start. I don't know about you, but I can't remember what I have and don't have, so I needed to list them anyway, but now that I have I can start to categorise and highlight the differences a bit.
The closer you look, the more you notice differences in blade shapes, drivers and so on. I'm not 100% sure, but I think I've identified a 4th blade shape, sort of half way between the "Sabre" and the final clip point shape. I'll have another look tomorrow, but I have two that possibly fall into that category.
I started logging the files according to your discovery about single / double cut teeth, and may have spotted something new there too - more work to be done!
i was going to say put knurled screw instead of fastener, but then thats not what was always used so i say it would be great for someone who has not come across a pst before
I shall have a look as I go through Ryan :tu:
In the meantime, tell me what you think of this as a diagram:
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e10/DaveK-ToolPics/Leatherman/PST%20History/PSTAnatomy.jpg)
I'll send you a bill for the royalties Paul ;)
Well, I'm starting to think I imagined the 4th blade type :think:
I'm sticking with three for now, but who knows :D
Damn, he really is a big fella... :o
Sad part is I was standing on Ben's toolbox :P
:think: Other than condition it looks pretty close to this one which you already own. Just not in your possession yet 8).
As you can see, it's unused as Tony received it as a gift from his parents in the late 80s. Consequently, it has no date codes (pre-1992)......
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e10/DaveK-ToolPics/Leatherman/PST/UKMeet2010016.jpg)
It has the "saber blade" and tools that are consistent with a late 80s PST, but has both cm and inches on the ruler - this would suggest a very late 80s model with the metric scale on there.
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e10/DaveK-ToolPics/Leatherman/PST/UKMeet2010015.jpg)
BUT - this PST has the original plier heads, without any TOOL or USA markings, as used on the early PSTs. I haven't seen this plier head on a tool that doesn't also have the drop point blade, old style awl etc. Has anyone else?
The fact that it is still with its original box too made me want to throw it in the back of the Landrover and clear off with it - but Tony's a big bloke :D
Discuss!
:think: Other than condition it looks pretty close to this one which you already own. Just not in your possession yet 8).
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu305/horsehunter64/dscn2065.jpg)
It also looks alot like this one I got off of Dennis a while back
so how hard is it to snag a pst that is stamped with pocket survival tool on it? i just trolled ebay for a bit ...no luck. Do they come up that often on there ?
so how hard is it to snag a pst that is stamped with pocket survival tool on it? i just trolled ebay for a bit ...no luck. Do they come up that often on there ?
They dont pop up everyday. They are out there but you must be persistent in your hunt to bag one.
Nice 1 Allan :tu: I need 1 of those and the SuperTool SS CC and would be very happy :D Wait maybe I need a BO PST CC as well :think: Anyhoo still would be happy with either of the 1st 2 :D
Nice 1 Allan :tu: I need 1 of those and the SuperTool SS CC and would be very happy :D Wait maybe I need a BO PST CC as well :think: Anyhoo still would be happy with either of the 1st 2 :D
I posted an auction to a BO CC PST over in Deals & Auctions; you may be interested in that, Poncho. :tu:
Finally... Stainless CC PST 0696/0796. :tu:
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_62BM8mgZsqk/TIElo8GT1sI/AAAAAAAAGMg/KKjOZKHjGwM/s800/DSC06751.JPG)
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_62BM8mgZsqk/TIElr21-PkI/AAAAAAAAGMQ/lLz1b57nVvY/s800/DSC06754.JPG)
1. Stainless
2. BO CC
3. BO
4. Stainless CC
Where 1 is most common, and 4 is like rocking horse sh1t :D
According to DaveK it is.. ;) 8)1. Stainless
2. BO CC
3. BO
4. Stainless CC
Where 1 is most common, and 4 is like rocking horse sh1t :D
With those four bases covered I just need a hollow knurled screw PST.. :)According to DaveK it is.. ;) 8)1. Stainless
2. BO CC
3. BO
4. Stainless CC
Where 1 is most common, and 4 is like rocking horse sh1t :D
:ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh You've hit a 4 :tu:
Dunc
With those four bases covered I just need a hollow knurled screw PST.. :)According to DaveK it is.. ;) 8)1. Stainless
2. BO CC
3. BO
4. Stainless CC
Where 1 is most common, and 4 is like rocking horse sh1t :D
:ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh You've hit a 4 :tu:
Dunc
(http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz149/12overunder/psts007.jpg) (http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz149/12overunder/psts008.jpg) (http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz149/12overunder/psts009.jpg) (http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz149/12overunder/psts010.jpg) (http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz149/12overunder/psts011.jpg) (http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz149/12overunder/psts012.jpg) (http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz149/12overunder/psts013.jpg)knife tip is not missing but it looks like it from the picture.
(http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz149/12overunder/psts007.jpg) (http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz149/12overunder/psts008.jpg) (http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz149/12overunder/psts009.jpg) (http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz149/12overunder/psts010.jpg) (http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz149/12overunder/psts011.jpg) (http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz149/12overunder/psts012.jpg) (http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz149/12overunder/psts013.jpg)knife tip is not missing but it looks like it from the picture.
(http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz149/12overunder/psts004.jpg)
Fabulous pics Stack! :cheers:
I still need to get me one of those with the hollow knurled screws! :drool:
I still need to get me one of those with the hollow knurled screws! :drool:Me too... :gimme:
Well done :tu: What about a Japan model ?Like these..? ;)
Stack its interesting that your US Pat, hollow rivoted, lanyard attachment has a right hand can opener. Mine has a left hand can opener. There is also a hollow riveted varition that is marked with US REG`D TM 1325473 w/right hand can opener. Lots of varitions over the years. The hunt continues :DThat is interesting indeed. Now I have more to keep an eye out for. :D Dave K., If I can impress a vet. like your self, Im on the right track! Thanks :cheers:
AHB, those japan tools look like they are in great shape. Does your hollow riveted tool have a right or left handed can opener on it? All great tools :cheers:Right handed. :)
I finally found the time ( ::)) to make the classic PST shot.. ;)
12 unique PST's. Let me know what's missing (besides the hollow knurled screw).. :)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_62BM8mgZsqk/TKh-9qZj2eI/AAAAAAAAGUA/Tj_JojBgYd0/s800/DSC06920.JPG)
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_62BM8mgZsqk/TKh_CylL0VI/AAAAAAAAGUI/_MzQdmQt84U/s800/DSC06922.JPG)
I finally found the time ( ::)) to make the classic PST shot.. ;)
12 unique PST's. Let me know what's missing (besides the hollow knurled screw).. :)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_62BM8mgZsqk/TKh-9qZj2eI/AAAAAAAAGUA/Tj_JojBgYd0/s800/DSC06920.JPG)
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_62BM8mgZsqk/TKh_CylL0VI/AAAAAAAAGUI/_MzQdmQt84U/s800/DSC06922.JPG)
Thanks David. :)I finally found the time ( ::)) to make the classic PST shot.. ;)
12 unique PST's. Let me know what's missing (besides the hollow knurled screw).. :)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_62BM8mgZsqk/TKh-9qZj2eI/AAAAAAAAGUA/Tj_JojBgYd0/s800/DSC06920.JPG)
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_62BM8mgZsqk/TKh_CylL0VI/AAAAAAAAGUI/_MzQdmQt84U/s800/DSC06922.JPG)
Allan, you really have a 8) collection of PSTs there buddy. :tu: The more I looked at your pic the more I realized how nice it is. :)
I think you have a Japan pst. Is the leatherman on the handle in big font? If so, I think the one you have was made somewhere between 86 and 88? Im not 100% sure but thats my guess.
It has solid screws, It doesnt have leatherman tool on the handle or portland origon. I think its safe to say its old. :mail: :D 8) I would also like to add that I finally moved up to sr member! :o :drink:Which means the right thing to do is sending that mighty fine stamped PST to me to celebrate.. :pok: :pok: :D :D
:DIt has solid screws, It doesnt have leatherman tool on the handle or portland origon. I think its safe to say its old. :mail: :D 8) I would also like to add that I finally moved up to sr member! :o :drink:Which means the right thing to do is sending that mighty fine stamped PST to me to celebrate.. :pok: :pok: :D :D
Good work Stack.. :cheers:
Another nice oldie there Stack :cheers: You have quite a collection now don't ya :DThanks Poncho65 :tu: There are many more I want but getting this one is a real load off my shoulders. The hunt continues. :2tu:
Thats a good one there Stack. 8) :tu:Thanks. :tu:
Welcome.. :tu:Thanks for the quick response. I shoud be able to pick this gem up right after Christmas, (thought sooner :( ) I'm very excited, I'm thinkin' I'll get the box too! I will be able to share pictures at that time too if that is permissable?
Items for sale can be posted here: Multitools for Sale (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/board,7.0.html), but please share some more info on your PSTs.. :)
Instead of listing everything I just took a few comparison pics. The one that is dated is # 0495.
hay i just got my first PST 2, I know I know but better late than never
Well thanks to this post I found it was a tenth version and from 96
thanks
i took her appart to clean and buff and got it moving real smooth.
I love the size its really quite compact.
anyhow thank for helping me learn what kind I got!
I actually like this version alot says leatherman tool, metic/imp scales, simple clean looking says USA and not all ground out. 0496/0496, blade has i believe saber with a searated bottem half. score. lucky find!
peace
Oh and I called leatherman to ask about a new knife and they said if i send it in ill get a blast in return and there is no parts there to maintian mine. In Canada anyway.
Hay
excuse my ignorance but why do some PST's have the USA ground out?
Thanks
May, 2005, Portland, OR—A Los Angeles Superior Court judge has found that between April of 1997 and April of 2002, Leatherman Tool Group, Inc. violated a unique California law concerning the ability of companies to represent their products as “Made in USA.” The court in Colgan v. Leatherman Tool Group held that under California law Leatherman engaged in false or misleading advertising by representing that certain of its tools were “Made in USA.” As a result, the court directed the company to pay approximately $13 million in restitution. Leatherman is disappointed with the ruling and intends to file an appeal.
A recent Associated Press story about the ruling gave the distinct impression that Leatherman brand multi-tools are, for the most part, made outside the United States. This is false.
The unique California law at issue prohibits companies from selling in California any product represented as “Made in USA” if “any article, unit, or part” of the product was “substantially made, manufactured, or produced outside of the United States.” As interpreted by one California judge, the law prohibits a “Made in USA” representation of a product even if the only foreign content in the product is a single screw.
These Leatherman tools were all built and assembled by U.S. workers at U.S. factories using primarily parts made entirely in the United States and some parts processed, in part, in Western Europe, Mexico, or Canada. Unfortunately, Leatherman is not able to procure all of its component parts in the United States because of quality, technological, or economic considerations. But Leatherman Tool Group has never shipped a job overseas, and the company remains committed to keeping and creating as many jobs here as possible.
“As proud as I am of the invention of the Leatherman tool, I am even more proud of the hundreds of American jobs I have created,” said company founder and president Tim Leatherman. “I am disappointed in the court’s ruling for a number of reasons, but I am especially disappointed that the court disregarded a ruling issued by a federal judge in 1997 stating that our representation that the Leatherman PST tool was made in the United States was ‘neither false nor misleading.’”
wonder who Colgan was in Colgan vs Leatherman Tool Group?
Bob----> :twak: <------lawyers
Let the festivities begin. :duel: :D :D
"We're back in the office after the Christmas Holiday-hope your Holidays were blessed. Are you ready for a story? As I told you, I have been with the company almost since its inception, 22 years. In the very beginning, Tim Leatherman found it difficult to keep up with production. The demand for his invention, the Pocket Survival Tool, was almost immediate, and with 11 people out in the shop at that time, we could not meet the demand. He contracted w/a company in Japan (that country was known at that time for their cutlery) and it became Leatherman Tool Japan (this partnership only lasted for 3 years or so at which time we decided to do everything USA). The tool that they made was ever so slightly different, in particular the rivets that are in the handle & hold the parts together. So, long story short, I believe you have that older Japan tool. The value was the same, just the place it was manufactured. I think you should definitely consider that tool a collector's item! The reason you are not seeing the "R" on the sheath is probably because a tools has to have "tm" markings until the patent is final, and it took a long while for Tim Leatherman to get the initial patent. It was most likely pending at that point. I hope I've explained this well enough. Happy New Year to you."
I have got hold of what I think may be an early PST II except there is no PST II marked on the handles but the tools in the handles all match my own PST II the blade has the part serration an medium flat screwdriver is off set so it does not close on you while using it.
Ahh the classic and in good condition to boot. :tu: :)
Do any of the earliest 1983-84 no lanyard PSTs ever come up for sale?
Dunc I`ll go see if I can find some PSTs to check the files. I`ll be back in a bit.
I posted this one in another thread, its date code is 1297. I bought it new in early 1998.The PST that you are showing is the PSTII that came out in 1996,the original PST did not have the scissors or the diamond file,the PSTII is still one of my favorites,I'm EDCing it now. :salute:
Could it be a later replacement pliers head? Just a guess.
Thanks Gentlemen - Here is the next one, an early Japan made model -
• Rivets or knurled screws? Rivests hollow
• Lanyard attachment? yes
• (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot? old small
• LEATHERMAN alone cast into plier pivot? Or with USA? Or TOOL? Alone
• A hard wire cutter notch? no
• Handles stamped with what? Leatherman (r) (large) Tool (small) US PAT423886(?) las digit not readable
• Inch ruler only, or inch/metric? SAE Inch only
• Date codes? No
• Drop point knife blade or clip point? (saber?) first version drop point
• Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN alone? Or with USA? Or JAPAN? Japan Leatherman
• Screwdrivers: pivot-in or pivot-out? In
Note - this variation has hollow rivets and no "Portland Ore" on the handle.
Pictures -
(http://www.iammoon.com/albums/multitools/Leatherman/PST%20Early%20Japan%20hollow%20rivet%20early%2080s/slides/DSC_7011.JPG)
(http://www.iammoon.com/albums/multitools/Leatherman/PST%20Early%20Japan%20hollow%20rivet%20early%2080s/slides/DSC_7012.JPG)
(http://www.iammoon.com/albums/multitools/Leatherman/PST%20Early%20Japan%20hollow%20rivet%20early%2080s/slides/DSC_7013.JPG)
(http://www.iammoon.com/albums/multitools/Leatherman/PST%20Early%20Japan%20hollow%20rivet%20early%2080s/slides/DSC_7007.JPG)
(http://www.iammoon.com/albums/multitools/Leatherman/PST%20Early%20Japan%20hollow%20rivet%20early%2080s/slides/DSC_7009.JPG)
(http://www.iammoon.com/albums/multitools/Leatherman/PST%20Early%20Japan%20hollow%20rivet%20early%2080s/slides/DSC_7010.JPG)
best
mqqn
Could it be a later replacement pliers head? Just a guess.
How definitive might that guess be? The way I acquired it, there's plenty of room for the possibility of a Frankenstein.
A very nice looking Japanese made PST mate. :hatsoff:
As far as I know Leatherman never supplied a Pocketwrench with any tool. I'm going to say with some certainty that this is something the previous owner put in there. :)Thank You Gareth for the answer. :cheers:
I got this one marked Pocket Survival Tool today. Very good shape. Check out the hole in the pivot.Can anyone explain about the hole in the pivot? I have the same hole on my Mini Tool with no date code, so I assume it's a very early one.
I got this one marked Pocket Survival Tool today. Very good shape. Check out the hole in the pivot.Can anyone explain about the hole in the pivot? I have the same hole on my Mini Tool with no date code, so I assume it's a very early one.
Date codes? 0797 & 0304:o Those are some pretty disparate dates.
QuoteDate codes? 0797 & 0304:o Those are some pretty disparate dates.
I will post my "Marlboro" pix asap. However, please explain the nuance "pivot in or pivot out"
Jim
dryfire@dryfire.is
Here are some examples of the screwdriver differences. When pushed hard, the early screwdrivers tended to "pivot inwards" under pressure. This was improved on later models, which featured screwdrivers that pivoted outwards against the stop the harder they were pushed. :)
Benner pictures
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t41/benniehunts/IMG_1091.jpg)
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t41/benniehunts/IMG_1097.jpg)
DaveK picture showing the three types of medium flathead screwdriver
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e10/DaveK-ToolPics/pstmeddriver.jpg)
Here is the open plier pic I mentioned, and the medium flathead (newer style correct?)
Sent from my XT901 using Tapatalk 2
Here is the open plier pic I mentioned, and the medium flathead (newer style correct?)
Sent from my XT901 using Tapatalk 2
I may have misunderstood the whole "pivot in/out" thing as well. So is the screwdriver I showed in the second pic of the above post that contains the text I quoted (couldn't quote the pic as well I guess) a pivot in or out? I think I called it in, but now I think it's an out :think: ???
Here is the open plier pic I mentioned, and the medium flathead (newer style correct?)
Sent from my XT901 using Tapatalk 2
I may have misunderstood the whole "pivot in/out" thing as well. So is the screwdriver I showed in the second pic of the above post that contains the text I quoted (couldn't quote the pic as well I guess) a pivot in or out? I think I called it in, but now I think it's an out :think: ???
That's a 'pivot out' screwdriver. It turns to the outside when you put force on it, hence the name. (it pivots out when under force) The older ones turn inside (they 'pivot in'). It all comes from the verb 'to pivot', not from the noun 'pivot'. (if I'm right, of course ;) )
This PST has no markings on it except the Pat. number and a former owners initials. DaveK has a pic of one in post #149. Even the sheath does not have Leatherman on it. Any one care to speculate on where these fit into the chronological order. :think: :)
This PST has no markings on it except the Pat. number and a former owners initials. DaveK has a pic of one in post #149. Even the sheath does not have Leatherman on it. Any one care to speculate on where these fit into the chronological order. :think: :)
Interesting. Dave seemed to think that the markings had possibly been ground off his, but with yours being the same that seems less likely. :think:
This PST has no markings on it except the Pat. number and a former owners initials. DaveK has a pic of one in post #149. Even the sheath does not have Leatherman on it. Any one care to speculate on where these fit into the chronological order. :think: :)That's the same as my minitool. :think: Except mine doesn't even have a patent number.
Nice no date PST MR. :tu: :)
This PST has no markings on it except the Pat. number and a former owners initials. DaveK has a pic of one in post #149. Even the sheath does not have Leatherman on it. Any one care to speculate on where these fit into the chronological order. :think: :)That's the same as my minitool. :think: Except mine doesn't even have a patent number.
I have received a PST which is obviously made in Japan (Riveted, blade tang says Japan).
Is this Tool worth more than a US made PST of teh same age and condition?
I am asking because i received it in a trade, and if it is worth more, I´d liek to compensate my trade-partner for that.
Thanks.
Go on, what are you thinking? Employee special? Pre production? :pok: :)
This PST has no markings on it except the Pat. number and a former owners initials. DaveK has a pic of one in post #149. Even the sheath does not have Leatherman on it. Any one care to speculate on where these fit into the chronological order. :think: :)
Interesting. Dave seemed to think that the markings had possibly been ground off his, but with yours being the same that seems less likely. :think:
Great score there Greg! Even has the old brown sheath with no markings. 8) :tu: I bid on it earlier but got out of my price range real quick. Glad it is going to a good home. :)
I got my PST today, and it looks to be in great condition, and I think it's an older one. Here's the info:
Rivets or knurled screws? Knurled
• Lanyard attachment? Yes
• (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot? Old small pivot
• LEATHERMAN alone cast into plier pivot? Or with USA? Or TOOL? Leatherman USA
• A hard wire cutter notch? No
• Handles stamped with what? (see pictures in next post for examples) LEATHERMAN(r) TOOL US REG TM 1325473 PORTLAND OR on front; nothing on the back
• Inch ruler only, or inch/metric? inch/metric
• Date codes? None
• Drop point knife blade or clip point? Saber :D (I think)
• Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN alone? Or with USA? Or JAPAN? LEATHERMAN USA
• Screwdrivers: pivot-in or pivot-out? pivot-in
Here are some pics. Can anyone confirm if the blade is a Saber point for sure?
Left is my other PST, and right is this new one
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20130910_225322_777_zps4c7926a2.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20130910_225322_777_zps4c7926a2.jpg.html)
Saber blade?
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20130910_225549_876_zpsa75b2a3d.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20130910_225549_876_zpsa75b2a3d.jpg.html)
Pliers
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20130910_230127_450_zps52ff69d1.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20130910_230127_450_zps52ff69d1.jpg.html)
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20130910_230035_172_zps8d64ef2a.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20130910_230035_172_zps8d64ef2a.jpg.html)
Hey Detron,
Yours sounds an awful lot like the one I got, shown below with all the info. Your blade does look like mine. I consider mine to be the Saber point blade as the info would indicate that this is the version with the saber point. It hasn't been confirmed by anyone here, but I think it is. Mine also has no dates on it. Gotta love the incredible variations on the PST :tu:I got my PST today, and it looks to be in great condition, and I think it's an older one. Here's the info:
Rivets or knurled screws? Knurled
• Lanyard attachment? Yes
• (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot? Old small pivot
• LEATHERMAN alone cast into plier pivot? Or with USA? Or TOOL? Leatherman USA
• A hard wire cutter notch? No
• Handles stamped with what? (see pictures in next post for examples) LEATHERMAN(r) TOOL US REG TM 1325473 PORTLAND OR on front; nothing on the back
• Inch ruler only, or inch/metric? inch/metric
• Date codes? None
• Drop point knife blade or clip point? Saber :D (I think)
• Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN alone? Or with USA? Or JAPAN? LEATHERMAN USA
• Screwdrivers: pivot-in or pivot-out? pivot-in
Here are some pics. Can anyone confirm if the blade is a Saber point for sure?
Left is my other PST, and right is this new one
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20130910_225322_777_zps4c7926a2.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20130910_225322_777_zps4c7926a2.jpg.html)
Saber blade?
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20130910_225549_876_zpsa75b2a3d.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20130910_225549_876_zpsa75b2a3d.jpg.html)
Pliers
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20130910_230127_450_zps52ff69d1.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20130910_230127_450_zps52ff69d1.jpg.html)
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u649/khtibbetts/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20130910_230035_172_zps8d64ef2a.jpg) (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/khtibbetts/media/MTs-SAKs/IMG_20130910_230035_172_zps8d64ef2a.jpg.html)
Oh really? I'll have to check mine out again to make sure I just didn't miss some very faint date codes. Cool PST you got there anyway :tu: Is this your first PST?
Oh really? I'll have to check mine out again to make sure I just didn't miss some very faint date codes. Cool PST you got there anyway :tu: Is this your first PST?
Yes, it is my first ever. in the mid to late 90's I had a few Gerbers here and there, but this is my first PST. My first Leatherman was a Kick in 2008 or so. (Never used) and then I bought a Surge in the Summer. the Surge did it for me, I was hooked. (I still have that Kick, not a bad MT)
Oh really? I'll have to check mine out again to make sure I just didn't miss some very faint date codes. Cool PST you got there anyway :tu: Is this your first PST?
Yes, it is my first ever. in the mid to late 90's I had a few Gerbers here and there, but this is my first PST. My first Leatherman was a Kick in 2008 or so. (Never used) and then I bought a Surge in the Summer. the Surge did it for me, I was hooked. (I still have that Kick, not a bad MT)
Ah...so do you like it? I find them interesting, and there's just something about the classic, tools on the inside look that I like :D
Greg does it have large font LEATHERMAN on one handle?
This one arrived today :mail: :)If you ever stumble upon a spare, please let me know buddy.. ;) :)
Thank you everyone! I've been after one of these oldies for a while. I pasted on one a couple years ago because it had a name engraved on it.and A dealer won it cheap and when he relisted it it sold for $300+ if I remember correctly. This seller had both pics of the back side. where you couldn't see the etched baled and blank handles except for the Pat#. His BIN price was high enough no one jumped on it. I'm not sure how I came across it as it was not listed as a PST, Tool, or Pocket Survival Tool. It was listed as a Leatherman utility knife. after asking some questions I bought it and hoped they were truthful. They were so now i finally have one. :)
Detron, yours has a handle with no date code?
Detron, yours has a handle with no date code?
yes, I think it might have been faint and then the BO might have made it fainter or invisible
Sounds like both of you got a 8) BO PST. :tu: :)
I won an interesting (very) old PST today, it had the usual old style tools, with the only stamping on the handles being the minimalist "USA PAT 4238862".He really couldn't decide on a price could he? He obviously wanted it and you still won awesome! :tu:
What makes this "4238862-only" PST different (to the other two very similar PSTs I have) is that this one has "Leatherman USA" stamped on only one side of the pliers (and on the opposite side to the 4238862 on the handles to boot)
Has anyone else seen this before ? Or have I picked up a factory error or something ?
For the photo enthusiasts, have a look at
http://www.ebay.com/itm/371039909116 and click on "See original listing"
And if you want some quiet amusement, check out the bidding by j***t ( 165 ) ::)
I won an interesting (very) old PST today, it had the usual old style tools, with the only stamping on the handles being the minimalist "USA PAT 4238862".
What makes this "4238862-only" PST different (to the other two very similar PSTs I have) is that this one has "Leatherman USA" stamped on only one side of the pliers (and on the opposite side to the 4238862 on the handles to boot)
Has anyone else seen this before ? Or have I picked up a factory error or something ?
For the photo enthusiasts, have a look at
http://www.ebay.com/itm/371039909116 and click on "See original listing"
And if you want some quiet amusement, check out the bidding by j***t ( 165 ) ::)
S/He was a looong way off winning when they gave up :DAnd if you want some quiet amusement, check out the bidding by j***t ( 165 ) ::)He really couldn't decide on a price could he? He obviously wanted it and you still won awesome! :tu:
Nice score Greg! I was watching that one and would have made a run on it because of the plier head but had a bigger fish to fry. My guess is the plier head was a manufactoring error. They were so behind in orders in those days it proably got run any way. If the seller had of listed it better it would have gone much higher. I git a good laugh out of people who bid like J***t(165).Thanks David. The mis-listings are the ones that often go cheaper than they would if they were listed with more relevant info in the title (and I'm perfectly happy with that state of affairs as it reduces the competition and therefore the price I end up paying if I win).
Nice score Greg! I was watching that one and would have made a run on it because of the plier head but had a bigger fish to fry. My guess is the plier head was a manufactoring error. They were so behind in orders in those days it proably got run any way. If the seller had of listed it better it would have gone much higher. I git a good laugh out of people who bid like J***t(165).Thanks David. The mis-listings are the ones that often go cheaper than they would if they were listed with more relevant info in the title (and I'm perfectly happy with that state of affairs as it reduces the competition and therefore the price I end up paying if I win).
Would the "bigger fish" have been somewhat aged and in a Cabela's leather sheath by any chance ? :pok:
Good looking PST MR! :)
I'm more than a little excited and anticipatory, and I can't wait to get my hands on this one (but I'll have to - Matt will see it well before I do)
I'm more than a little excited and anticipatory, and I can't wait to get my hands on this one (but I'll have to - Matt will see it well before I do)
if Greg asks nicely, I can probably be persuaded to post some pics of this one when it arrives. :D
Good score Greg. I expected to see more action on that one. I'm sure your happy most the big dogs were napping. :D It would be nice to see some good pics of it as the auction pics were awful.Thanks David, I was hoping not too many big bidders would notice it, but if necessary I was prepared to pay over double what it ended up going for. Mind you, I did invoke my "ebay buyers cartel" agreement with one of my usual competitors (thereby saving me $60 :tu: ).
I'm more than a little excited and anticipatory, and I can't wait to get my hands on this one (but I'll have to - Matt will see it well before I do)
if Greg asks nicely, I can probably be persuaded to post some pics of this one when it arrives. :D
Pretty, pretty, pretty, please ? (was that nice enough ?) :rofl:
ask, and ye shall receive...Thanks Matt, that should keep all the "must-have-pics" people happy (and keep me going for a while too :D )
Just won an oldie on the bay of thieves:I'm obviously on a roll, I've just won another interesting old (and rare) PST on the bay of thieves:
US Pat 4 238 862
"Leatherman Tool" no (R) "Portland OR"
Drop point blade
Left hand can opener
"Leatherman" only on pliers (no "USA" but I'm pretty sure it isn't Japanese)
"Cabela's" on sheath and stamped (not etched) on handle
HOLLOW KNURLED SCREWS !!!!!!! :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
(I've been looking for one of these for what seems like forever)
I'm more than a little excited and anticipatory, and I can't wait to get my hands on this one (but I'll have to - Matt will see it well before I do)
I do have a quick question......which PST would be harder to come by
(a) Black Oxide PST / dated stamped / ruler in inches/cm
(b) PST /ruler in inches only / no date stamp / No TM #s / No TM symbol after Letterman.
Thanks for your help on this.
I do have a quick question......which PST would be harder to come by
(a) Black Oxide PST / dated stamped / ruler in inches/cm
(b) PST /ruler in inches only / no date stamp / No TM #s / No TM symbol after Letterman.
Thanks for your help on this.
They say good things come in threes, I can't wait to see what the 3rd PST is ;)
:2tu: Well done. I cannot wait to see the likes of that amazing JPST.
:2tu: Well done. I cannot wait to see the likes of that amazing JPST.
Ok, so that's what I got from Aloha :drool: A tool I'd only seen in videos, because it was discontinued far before I actually got into MTs. I'm in love :D It's so slim, smooth and... harmonic in comparison to today's modern "curvy" tools. It reminds me a lot of the Micra, just it's its bigger bro :D So, I wasn't sure what exactly people need in this topic, so I just decided to post some pictures and share my excitement :D
Did any PSTs have the larger small flat driver that the Sideclip has?
IMO it's a really nice size, the normal PST small one being a bit too small.
Did any PSTs have the larger small flat driver that the Sideclip has?
IMO it's a really nice size, the normal PST small one being a bit too small.
Nice PST Steve.
Cool PSTs Steve :tu:
Also, congrats to Greg for 2K posts :cheers:
Also, congrats to Greg for 2K posts :cheers:
Posts 389, 405 and 465 of this thread.Yes that looks like it (and I'm very impressed that you both knew of them AND exactly where to look :tu: )
These four PSTs left to right:
1 blank handles except for US Pat #, no USA plier head, etched knife blade
2 POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL, no USA plier head, etched knife blade
3 late 80's PST, no USA plier head
4 POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL, US Pat #, USA plier head
The plier head stampings on 1 and 2 are different than 3 and 4. There was a change of tooling or vendors. It seems to me there was a transition from one to the other. Plier heads 1 and 2 are more blocky than the rounder 3 and 4. I'm still of the opinion that Leatherman was using up old plier heads on PST #3. There you have it. Let the discussion begin. :D
Has anyone ever seen a PST marked POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL with a lanyard ring?
How about black oxide... does anybody know when Leatherman started making BO PSTs?
Just curious :whistle:
Has anyone ever seen a PST marked POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL with a lanyard ring?Well I've got one, but I'm a bit suspicious of my particular PST (#644) because it has a saber-clip point blade which I understood weren't made until later.
How about black oxide... does anybody know when Leatherman started making BO PSTs?
Just curious :whistle:
Has anyone ever seen a PST marked POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL with a lanyard ring?
How about black oxide... does anybody know when Leatherman started making BO PSTs?
Just curious :whistle:
In the late 80's from what I've seen. I have several no date BO PST's. Never seen or heard of one before then. While we are on the no date late 80's PST one way to date them a little is that the ones with the single cut file to the outside are older than the ones with the double cut to the outside.
Has anyone ever seen a PST marked POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL with a lanyard ring?Well I've got one, but I'm a bit suspicious of my particular PST (#644) because it has a saber-clip point blade which I understood weren't made until later.
The screws on the component end of the handles show definite signs of being opened using pliers or similar (the knurling is slightly "chewed").
However the screws on the plier & lanyard end show no signs of ever having been opened (but that doesn't mean they weren't).
This tool has "LEATHERMAN TOOL" with no (R) and also "US PAT 4138862" and "PORTLAND OR" stamped on the bottom handle.How about black oxide... does anybody know when Leatherman started making BO PSTs?
Just curious :whistle:
Hmm, I'm guessing you are referring to that rarity you just won on the bay of fleas :pok:
Extra good find :tu: :tu: :tu: :salute: :salute: :salute:
I've never seen such an early PST with a BO finish. My guess it is either a prototype/pre-production tool made by Leatherman, or else it is an after-market BO treatment. It may be worth asking CJ Goodrich if he knows anything about it ?
I've got 2 on the way here. One looks like it's been swapped head wise?Looks like you got two Super Tools on the Way, not PST's buddy.. :)
Here are some photos that he sent me. This is all I have until they get here.
Ah jesh. Wrong thread. My b!!I've got 2 on the way here. One looks like it's been swapped head wise?Looks like you got two Super Tools on the Way, not PST's buddy.. :)
Here are some photos that he sent me. This is all I have until they get here.
Nice score there Pat! Hope you post a pic some day. i saw the auction pic but you take better pics.
Good pics Pat of an interesting PST. That is the earliest BO PST I've seen. The lanyard attachment has me :think: If they were working on a tool for a military contract the lanyard may have been one of the military requirements? Any way great score on that one.Definitely an interesting old PST. The top handle looks like a v6 : no (R) stamp, no US PAT 4238862, with lanyard attachment, but the bottom handle looks like a v2 with its "POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL" stamp. :think: :tu:
Also, congrats to Greg for 2K posts :cheers:
Thanks Guys :-[
While I'm here I might as well tell you about my latest odd-ball PST ( I do like the unusual ones :D )
This looks just like a regular v7 PST except for the pliers, which only have "Leatherman" on them (no "USA" like you'd expect).
They look like the standard rounded USA made pliers (ie not Japanese pliers), and the whole tool looks totally unused and unmarked, so I don't think it is a parts bin special or repair job. The casting for the word "Leatherman" is different (slightly smaller font) to that on my really early PSTs (the other USA PSTs that I have that don't have "USA" on the pliers), and they have been ground slightly rounder on the outside of the jaws.
All in all it is a bit of a puzzle to me. Anyone else have one or seen one like this ?
Interesting, looks like the TM stamp got turned around in the stamp in mid 1995.
If I'm looking at it correctly I have several pieces stamped like that in the 1999 to 2000 time frame. :)
The OO's in tool look different
If I'm looking at it correctly I have several pieces stamped like that in the 1999 to 2000 time frame. :)
David, thanks for guiding :cheers:
I checked again my 1999-2000 PSTs and found BO and BO CC with that font :)
On second look I dont have any stamped that way with the differnt OO's or R's. :) Where are these PST's coming from? The reason I ask is I'm wondering if they were marked that way for a certain market.
On second look I dont have any stamped that way with the differnt OO's or R's. :) Where are these PST's coming from? The reason I ask is I'm wondering if they were marked that way for a certain market.
I thought that you have a few 1999-2000 PSTs with this strange font :facepalm: :)
It is unlikely that tools with this marking were designed for specific markets, all 3 my I bought on US eBay.
You didnt say what was different and I didnt notice the strange OO's or R's till Steve pointed it out. I had to look twice. :D Thats interesting.
Are these stange OO's stamps on both sides of the PST or just on the back side of the PST that is shown?
Are these stange OO's stamps on both sides of the PST or just on the back side of the PST that is shown?
Only on back sides strange angled font, on front sides - standard rounded font.
Date codes of frames with angled font:
SS - 0997
BO - 0399
BO CC - 0399
Are these stange OO's stamps on both sides of the PST or just on the back side of the PST that is shown?
Only on back sides strange angled font, on front sides - standard rounded font.
Date codes of frames with angled font:
SS - 0997
BO - 0399
BO CC - 0399
(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/64354/11586821.4/0_1e2130_f55317fc_X5L.jpg)
Are these stange OO's stamps on both sides of the PST or just on the back side of the PST that is shown?
Only on back sides strange angled font, on front sides - standard rounded font.
Date codes of frames with angled font:
SS - 0997
BO - 0399
BO CC - 0399
(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/64354/11586821.4/0_1e2130_f55317fc_X5L.jpg)
Looking at the name spacing, one can only arrive at one conclusion...
These are all LEAT HERMAN Tools.....now.....the question becomes....who is Leat Herman? ???
:D You'll never un-see it now....
Are these stange OO's stamps on both sides of the PST or just on the back side of the PST that is shown?
Only on back sides strange angled font, on front sides - standard rounded font.
Date codes of frames with angled font:
SS - 0997
BO - 0399
BO CC - 0399
(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/64354/11586821.4/0_1e2130_f55317fc_X5L.jpg)
Looking at the name spacing, one can only arrive at one conclusion...
These are all LEAT HERMAN Tools.....now.....the question becomes....who is Leat Herman? ???
:D You'll never un-see it now....
Found one SS dated 0897/0897 with angled font of "O" pictured by WOWABORO
Tried, fail. Grand kids were around but - too young to help me, kids to busy. Latest on weekend going start posting pictures (hopefully). They will show to me what I done wrong(again).Found one SS dated 0897/0897 with angled font of "O" pictured by WOWABORO
Pics :pok:
Hey. Now I have my 5 posts logged in. OK then...QUESTION: What does the 2 stamped on the tang of the Phillips screw driver signify? DATE CODE 0696 Locomotiveman Tom
Hey. Now I have my 5 posts logged in. OK then...QUESTION: What does the 2 stamped on the tang of the Phillips screw driver signify? DATE CODE 0696 Locomotiveman Tom
That is a number 2 size Phillips head :tu: That is the most common size of Phillips head screws as well :D
Got myself a brand new stainless PST for $50 without box. The seller claimed as 1983-1985 production. From what you guys have found so far (which makes my head spin :ahhh), mine is actually of later 1980 production.
• Lanyard attachment? Yes
• (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot? Small
• LEATHERMAN alone cast into plier pivot? Or with USA? Or TOOL? LEATHERMAN with USA
• A hard wire cutter notch? No
• Handles stamped with what? LEATHERMAN(R) TOOL US REG TM 1325473 PORTLAND OR (other three sides left blank)
• Inch ruler only, or inch/metric? inch/metric
• Date codes? none
• Drop point knife blade or clip point? (saber?) Saber
• Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN alone? Or with USA? Or JAPAN? LEATHERMAN with USA
• Screwdrivers: pivot-in or pivot-out? pivot-in
I am also waiting on an identical PST with BO finish and with the box. The box is white with "LEATHERMAN TOOL" in red font. The seller claimed 1985 vintage. It will be interesting to see the year printed on the box. Will post some pics later.
My housemate actually has a PST that has no date marks. Unfortinately, he's i the hospital fighting blood poisoning as of last night. :( I hope he gets better to the point where I can take a pic of the tool.
Almost forgot about this thread :D
Yeah just from the Saber blade alone I can tell you it isn't 83-85 :-\ They didn't start putting dates on them until around 93 I think. It is hard for someone to date a PST from that 10 year period but MTO has done a very good job in getting a ballpark on the year even without the date codes :salute:
I would like to see that BO PST you have coming and the box :o
Nice collection!
Almost forgot about this thread :D
Yeah just from the Saber blade alone I can tell you it isn't 83-85 :-\ They didn't start putting dates on them until around 93 I think. It is hard for someone to date a PST from that 10 year period but MTO has done a very good job in getting a ballpark on the year even without the date codes :salute:
I would like to see that BO PST you have coming and the box :o
Since the last time I posted, I acquired another 3 PST :facepalm: (1 PST and 1 PST II already arrived, 1 PST II on the way). Honestly, I never thought of adding old/ classic Leatherman to my collection, but it started with a PST II, and another, and another.... :facepalm:
Anyway, these are five PSTs I currently have at hand. All new. From left to right:
- Late 80s BO PST (no date code) with original sheath and box. The box has "1985 LEATHERMAN TOOL GROUP INC" on it. The tool is so old, there is no oil on it. The black oxide is dried up, and rubs on my fingers as powder.
- Late 80s SS PST (no date code) with original sheath. This is the PST I mentioned in my previous post.
- 0794 SS PST, with Marlboro Country Store engraving. CNC advancement at Leatherman can be seen with the smooth polished contour on the plier head here
- 0596 SS PST II with original sheath. The crack is rather unfortunate, but luckily only on the top coating (?)
- 0501 SS PST II with nylon sheath. The first one that starts this PST-madness :ahhh
That looks super cool, congrats. :cheers: :cheers:
I don't mean to hijack the thread but I have an 04/96 PST never used in mint condition with leather pouch. Any ideas what I might be able to sell it for?
I don't mean to hijack the thread but I have an 04/96 PST never used in mint condition with leather pouch. Any ideas what I might be able to sell it for?
I don't mean to hijack the thread but I have an 04/96 PST never used in mint condition with leather pouch. Any ideas what I might be able to sell it for?
$35 give or take a few bucks.
Three oldies :)Cool PSTs :tu:
Cool PSTs :tu:
The "US Pat 4238862"-only PSTs are interesting to me, and the one with with "Leatherman, USA" etched on the blade is particularly interesting, as it seems to indicate these were made very early in the LM PST production runs.
I've often wondered why LM produced a PST without any "Leatherman" branding on the handles ( I have a few myself, and while not common they do pop up every now and then). Was it made for a particular reseller to re-badge as their own (but who never went through with the contract) or are these actually the long-lost Early Winters catalogue version ? I've never even seen a photo of the actual production PSTs made for the Early Winters catalogue, only the pre-production version shown in ads.
Can anyone shed light on this small mystery ?
Those advertising pics are great wowaboro :cheers: The PST is one of my all time favs and just a classic that even with a the few flaws it has can be carried still in this day and age and still be very helpful with day to day life :tu:
If you haven't checked the first page in a while there is an awesome PST chronology diagram created by Huntsman edited into the first post that can be used as a great reference in your PST hunting :cheers:
If you haven't checked the first page in a while there is an awesome PST chronology diagram created by Huntsman edited into the first post that can be used as a great reference in your PST hunting :cheers:
Thanks, Poncho, but I have my own PST working table :cheers:
Just for sample, it's preview, unfinished and therefore so poorly visible ;) variant:
(https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/143523/11586821.5/0_1f5a86_4c275eef_X4L.jpg)
If you haven't checked the first page in a while there is an awesome PST chronology diagram created by Huntsman edited into the first post that can be used as a great reference in your PST hunting :cheers:
:think: I think that this probably has knurled screws instead of rivets, correct? Other than that it probably has the newer clip point as well :think: and possibly the larger pivot, I am just goin by the datecodes of it mind you though ;)
Still a PST is great to receive any day of the week :cheers:
Nice PST II Hugos :)
Thanks Gents, it came with a lot of play on the plier head, but LM replaced it with a new one, as well as a new blade. I then took it apart and cleaned it. Now one of my prized collection pieces, and Friday carry.
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• Date codes?
0493 on one handle only (knife blade side)
This is a BO PST without cap crimper.
• Date codes?
0493 on one handle only (knife blade side)
This is a BO PST without cap crimper.
I'm sure on 100% other (file) handle also has date code.
It's maybe bad visible, but it there is :)
You may try to wipe the internal surface of the handle.
Photos as promised...
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(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/chinesebuffet888/IMG_0298_zpsxp1l1zxe.jpg)
(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/chinesebuffet888/IMG_0301_zpsbm30dsh8.jpg)
(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/chinesebuffet888/IMG_0304_zpsei94jxny.jpg)
(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/chinesebuffet888/IMG_0303_zpskjll6fys.jpg)
Tool is old but seems like it wasn't used much or at all.
@wowaboro: Do you think it is possible that the BO coating covered the date?
CB
I had a SS PST which David has now :cheers: That only had a datecode in one handle and this one would be in the date range where they might have been a few non dated handles still left in the bin :think:
I have another stainless one that is 1292 in knife blade handle and no date code in the other. Date codes were started in late 1192. It wouldnt be unusual to have handles with and without on the same tool from that time period. :)
I have another stainless one that is 1292 in knife blade handle and no date code in the other. Date codes were started in late 1192. It wouldnt be unusual to have handles with and without on the same tool from that time period. :)
Yes, factory produced "One handle date" PSTs may have 1192 or 1292 code only.
If some PST has other date code on one handle only, it's means that item was repaired etc.
Yes, factory produced "One handle date" PSTs may have 1192 or 1292 code only.
If some PST has other date code on one handle only, it's means that item was repaired etc.
Is that a fact from LM or a hypothesis of yours :think:
Yes, factory produced "One handle date" PSTs may have 1192 or 1292 code only.
If some PST has other date code on one handle only, it's means that item was repaired etc.
Is that a fact from LM or a hypothesis of yours :think:
It's a fact. One handle dated PSTs (1192 or 1292) - it's transitional modification between both undated handles and both dated handles modifications.
It's a fact. One handle dated PSTs (1192 or 1292) - it's transitional modification between both undated handles and both dated handles modifications.
So your saying they threw out all the undated handles that were already made just to make sure that they had dates in both handles ???
I wouldn't think they would spend the time sending them back through just to put a date on them if they didn't have one :think:
Have you emailed them and asked them this ??? :D
I'm going to need some help with this one....
I just got a JPST and it doesn't really fit any of the categories.
It's got the hollow rivets of a 3 (I think....this is my first hollow rivet PST)
It's has the lanyard attachment of a 4 and 5.
The knife blade is only stamped Leatherman.
It's got a right-hand cut can opener.
It's got staked plier pivots, and the plier head only says Leatherman.
It's has the handle stampings of a 5.
I'm going to need some help with this one....
I just got a JPST and it doesn't really fit any of the categories.
So, what do the gurus think?
Another interesting PST, which I haven't seen before:
This is standard modification with stamps on handles: POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL / LEATHERMAN TOOL / US PAT 4238862 / PORTLAND OR and cast on pliers head: LEATHERMAN USA, but... with Hollow Screws on pivots.
I couldn't resist and immediately bought it :)
Most of these very early PSTs with hollow screws seem to have "Leatherman" only pliers
And some strange eBay auction, мaybe I missed something :think:
Why this standard PST sold as expensive?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/222203817161?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
There were two of those in this lot and they went for less.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leatherman-original-multi-tool-lot-of-6-plus-cases-/272325833028?nma=true&si=%252BpBzadE%252FnhyyU9aujtEtHW%252BRkoY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
yes they did, I made a run at it but got outbid in the last seconds.
1980s?
After reading the op, I think mine's on this?
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160815/31342f4ccf2bdd9c0796f4c65f4cf90e.jpg)
After reading the op, I think mine's on this?
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160815/31342f4ccf2bdd9c0796f4c65f4cf90e.jpg)
That would put it to late 80's all the way up until they started date stamping them in October of 1992 :tu: A very nice PST to have :cheers:
Thanks for the heads up
Thanks for the heads up
You're welcome :cheers:
Let's see what you got :pok:
I have a PST with knife tang also stamped with U.S.A. as well. The blade is not a clip ( saber )...
...nor is there any PAT number on the handles. Its a pre dated PST.
I have a PST with knife tang also stamped with U.S.A. as well. The blade is not a clip ( saber )...
On all PST's Drop Point blades (as yours) stamped U.S.A. - it's usual.
But PST's Clip Point (Saber) blades with stamp U.S.A. (not USA as usual) - it's very very rare....nor is there any PAT number on the handles. Its a pre dated PST.
Please, add photo of this PST.
In March last year, Zoidy updated the first post in this thread with a tabular representation of the data.
Since then the table has had over 3.5k downloads ...... That's over 10 per day - Wow :o
So this thread is still very much alive and it looks like we are providing good information/service to the Internet masses :tu:
Hello Gents!
Any help with this one? Thanks :)
Hello Gents!
Any help with this one? Thanks :)
Hello, what help you need? :)
I only can say it's usual PST, produced during period 0396 - 0696.
Thanks for the response! So does 0396 - 0696 mean March of 1996 through June 1996?Hello Gents!
Any help with this one? Thanks :)
Hello, what help you need? :)
I only can say it's usual PST, produced during period 0396 - 0696.
Thanks for the response! So does 0396 - 0696 mean March of 1996 through June 1996?Hello Gents!Hello, what help you need? :)
Any help with this one? Thanks :)
I only can say it's usual PST, produced during period 0396 - 0696.
Thanks for the response! So does 0396 - 0696 mean March of 1996 through June 1996?Hello Gents!Hello, what help you need? :)
Any help with this one? Thanks :)
I only can say it's usual PST, produced during period 0396 - 0696.
Welcome to the forum darkencypher
Wowabaro can identify the age of a PST just by looking at it :o :salute:
Most of us just check the date codes inside the handles ;)
Date codes were introduced in Nov 92 - So as yours is later than that date - if you look inside the handles (under the tools on the bottom) you should see the date stamps
As Greg said they are sometimes different due to different handle production dates
Let us know what they are - and therefore if Wowabaro is correct !! -
Note: He will be !!
Does anyone have the link for the updated PST chronology spreadsheet? Thanks!
Nice score wow :like: :tu:
Zed that Mamiya PST is also a nice one and I can't wait to see pics from you when it gets here :tu: :like: :like:
Zed that Mamiya PST is also a nice one and I can't wait to see pics from you when it gets here :tu: :like: :like:
Thanks poncho,they are my pics :D I've carried it daily since getting it :salute:
Zed that Mamiya PST is also a nice one and I can't wait to see pics from you when it gets here :tu: :like: :like:
Thanks poncho,they are my pics :D I've carried it daily since getting it :salute:
Ok gotcha :cheers: I need to get one of mine out and carry it :tu: Maybe for throwback Thursday :think:
Zed that Mamiya PST is also a nice one and I can't wait to see pics from you when it gets here :tu: :like: :like:
Thanks poncho,they are my pics :D I've carried it daily since getting it :salute:
Ok gotcha :cheers: I need to get one of mine out and carry it :tu: Maybe for throwback Thursday :think:
I find the pst a good very compact MT if you can do without a few tools like a saw ,my dime has scissors so that's covered,it's my only MT that will fit in my little pouch that clips inside my front jeans pocket,a pouch that usually carried my stockman,I'm making a new pouch at the moment for it and for my spirit 👍
Zed that Mamiya PST is also a nice one and I can't wait to see pics from you when it gets here :tu: :like: :like:
Thanks poncho,they are my pics :D I've carried it daily since getting it :salute:
Ok gotcha :cheers: I need to get one of mine out and carry it :tu: Maybe for throwback Thursday :think:
I find the pst a good very compact MT if you can do without a few tools like a saw ,my dime has scissors so that's covered,it's my only MT that will fit in my little pouch that clips inside my front jeans pocket,a pouch that usually carried my stockman,I'm making a new pouch at the moment for it and for my spirit 👍
Sounds good and I can't wait to see pics of the new sheath :cheers: :cheers: :like:
Couple of rarities :)
BO: 0103 0103
SS: 0504 0304
Couple of rarities :)
BO: 0103 0103
SS: 0504 0304
Very nice (and very uncommon) :drool: :salute:
Wonder what is the latest (newest) datecode with the regular run of PSTs :think:
Wonder what is the latest (newest) datecode with the regular run of PSTs :think:
All PST's pliers heads with Cap Crimpers was regular (small) size till end of production (1004). Large pliers heads has only flat jaws.
Figured you might know ;) That is why I asked :o
Figured you might know ;) That is why I asked :o
Or check the first post in this thread ;) :D :o !!!
Great looking PSTs :o The handle splay is in all the older model PSTs and I am about to start work or I would look more closely at the pics and see if we could possiblt put a date on the older one :salute: Thanks for sharing though :tu:Thank you for the responses and kind words! I will take some better (non phone cam) pics this evening.
Welcome to the forum AKB :cheers:
Once you get them sorted through I would love to see pics of each one :tu: :like: :like:
The other 2 are more interesting. Based on the chronological details, top one is from the early 80's, bottom is from the late 80's if I am not wrong. Both are not date stamped.
The other 2 are more interesting. Based on the chronological details, top one is from the early 80's, bottom is from the late 80's if I am not wrong. Both are not date stamped.
Top ~ 1985-1986
Bottom ~ 1991-1992
Hey guys need some help to identify the manufacturing date for this. Tried looking at the first post but some features doesn't match up.. Or maybe I am a little blind.. Got it off Ebay. Not the best condition specimen, but probably not that commonly seen. Thanks in advance! As far as I can tell, there's only "leatherman" stamped on the blade.
Hey guys need some help to identify the manufacturing date for this. Tried looking at the first post but some features doesn't match up.. Or maybe I am a little blind.. Got it off Ebay. Not the best condition specimen, but probably not that commonly seen. Thanks in advance! As far as I can tell, there's only "leatherman" stamped on the blade.
That is what I call a Japanese v5 PST. There are no dates on the handles, but it was the last PST that was made for Leatherman in Japan. I would guesstimate as late 80's to early 90's. Some v5s had "hollow" rivets (the very early ones ?), but most had solid rivets like your example.
It is the most common JPST, but still not that common (there are a lot more PSTs made in the US). A nice piece of LM history :tu:
Hey guys need some help to identify the manufacturing date for this. Tried looking at the first post but some features doesn't match up.. Or maybe I am a little blind.. Got it off Ebay. Not the best condition specimen, but probably not that commonly seen. Thanks in advance! As far as I can tell, there's only "leatherman" stamped on the blade.
That is what I call a Japanese v5 PST. There are no dates on the handles, but it was the last PST that was made for Leatherman in Japan. I would guesstimate as late 80's to early 90's. Some v5s had "hollow" rivets (the very early ones ?), but most had solid rivets like your example.
It is the most common JPST, but still not that common (there are a lot more PSTs made in the US). A nice piece of LM history :tu:
Hey guys need some help to identify the manufacturing date for this. Tried looking at the first post but some features doesn't match up.. Or maybe I am a little blind.. Got it off Ebay. Not the best condition specimen, but probably not that commonly seen. Thanks in advance! As far as I can tell, there's only "leatherman" stamped on the blade.
That is what I call a Japanese v5 PST. There are no dates on the handles, but it was the last PST that was made for Leatherman in Japan. I would guesstimate as late 80's to early 90's. Some v5s had "hollow" rivets (the very early ones ?), but most had solid rivets like your example.
It is the most common JPST, but still not that common (there are a lot more PSTs made in the US). A nice piece of LM history :tu:
I agree with Greg in everything, except that it was the last PST that was made for Leatherman in Japan.
Last JPST version has "REG’D TM 1325473" on handles.
On Sam Lim's item is "US REG’D TM 1325473" - it's penultimate version of JPST and was produced in second half of 80's.
Thanks! I had to re-read what you wrote and look up on "penultimate". Thats some deep vocabulary you have there.. 👍
Hello everyone! This thread is amazing, I recently inherited what looks like a brand new original PST and I was trying to figure out the year. It even has the original manual with it.
I think it’s a late 80’s US based on reading a lot of this thread but haven’t found one like this anywhere. BOTH handles are stamped the exact same Leatherman Tool, US Reg TM 1325473, Portland,OR. Ruler has inches and metric, knurled screws, drop point blade not clip, left hand?Can opener, small pivot, and no date stamp. Knife blade and pliers say Leatherman USA. Here are some pics, any guesses on year?
Also there’s very faint markings on one of the handles backsides that I can’t make out looks like just something ghosting into the metal.
Hello everyone! This thread is amazing, I recently inherited what looks like a brand new original PST and I was trying to figure out the year. It even has the original manual with it.
I think it’s a late 80’s US based on reading a lot of this thread but haven’t found one like this anywhere. BOTH handles are stamped the exact same Leatherman Tool, US Reg TM 1325473, Portland,OR. Ruler has inches and metric, knurled screws, drop point blade not clip, left hand?Can opener, small pivot, and no date stamp. Knife blade and pliers say Leatherman USA. Here are some pics, any guesses on year?
Also there’s very faint markings on one of the handles backsides that I can’t make out looks like just something ghosting into the metal.
1. Your item with clip point (saber) or short clip point knife blade - NOT drop point.
Please, add photo with full view of knife blade (on both your pictures blade type is not visible).
2. Your item have a date codes, it's may be poor visible, but they are there.
Anyway, it's quite usual version that was produced during period from 0495 to 0995 if it's clip point (saber) or from 0895 to 0396 if it's short clip point PST.
Hello everyone! This thread is amazing, I recently inherited what looks like a brand new original PST and I was trying to figure out the year. It even has the original manual with it.
I think it’s a late 80’s US based on reading a lot of this thread but haven’t found one like this anywhere. BOTH handles are stamped the exact same Leatherman Tool, US Reg TM 1325473, Portland,OR. Ruler has inches and metric, knurled screws, drop point blade not clip, left hand?Can opener, small pivot, and no date stamp. Knife blade and pliers say Leatherman USA. Here are some pics, any guesses on year?
Also there’s very faint markings on one of the handles backsides that I can’t make out looks like just something ghosting into the metal.
1. Your item with clip point (saber) or short clip point knife blade - NOT drop point.
Please, add photo with full view of knife blade (on both your pictures blade type is not visible).
2. Your item have a date codes, it's may be poor visible, but they are there.
Anyway, it's quite usual version that was produced during period from 0495 to 0995 if it's clip point (saber) or from 0895 to 0396 if it's short clip point PST.
Hello everyone! This thread is amazing, I recently inherited what looks like a brand new original PST and I was trying to figure out the year. It even has the original manual with it.
I think it’s a late 80’s US based on reading a lot of this thread but haven’t found one like this anywhere. BOTH handles are stamped the exact same Leatherman Tool, US Reg TM 1325473, Portland,OR. Ruler has inches and metric, knurled screws, drop point blade not clip, left hand?Can opener, small pivot, and no date stamp. Knife blade and pliers say Leatherman USA. Here are some pics, any guesses on year?
Also there’s very faint markings on one of the handles backsides that I can’t make out looks like just something ghosting into the metal.
1. Your item with clip point (saber) or short clip point knife blade - NOT drop point.
Please, add photo with full view of knife blade (on both your pictures blade type is not visible).
2. Your item have a date codes, it's may be poor visible, but they are there.
Anyway, it's quite usual version that was produced during period from 0495 to 0995 if it's clip point (saber) or from 0895 to 0396 if it's short clip point PST.
Actually the plot thickens more, one handle says 0795 and one says 0895
A $1,200 PST...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Leatherman-PST-Pocket-Toolchest-Sold-by-Early-Winters-Catalog-Super-Nice/132526688935?hash=item1edb34caa7:g:FQsAAOSwI39anI9z
A $1,200 PST...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Leatherman-PST-Pocket-Toolchest-Sold-by-Early-Winters-Catalog-Super-Nice/132526688935?hash=item1edb34caa7:g:FQsAAOSwI39anI9z
A $1,200 PST...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Leatherman-PST-Pocket-Toolchest-Sold-by-Early-Winters-Catalog-Super-Nice/132526688935?hash=item1edb34caa7:g:FQsAAOSwI39anI9z
Hmmm. :think:
The seller claims this is an Early Winter's catalog version (from the very beginning of PST production). I'm not 100% convinced, even though he has what seems to be legit Early Winter's doco with it.
I have two reasons for my doubts:
1 Many of the very early PSTs I've seen have "hollow" knurled screws, "Leatherman" only (no USA) pliers, and some have "Leatherman, USA" etched on the main part of the knife blade. This example has none of these characteristics.
2 This particular PST variant ie with only "US PAT 4238862" and a name stamped on the handles (No "Leatherman", mo Personal Survival Tool", no "Oregon, USA") is not particularly rare - I have 4 and I've seen quite a few more that I could have purchased. I have a theory that there was a large batch of these tools ordered from Leatherman, personalised and given out to many people as some kind of reward or promotion. Most I've looked at don't seem to have been used much at all.
I'd be very interested in hearing opinions from other people. ???
A $1,200 PST...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Leatherman-PST-Pocket-Toolchest-Sold-by-Early-Winters-Catalog-Super-Nice/132526688935?hash=item1edb34caa7:g:FQsAAOSwI39anI9z
Hmmm. :think:
The seller claims this is an Early Winter's catalog version (from the very beginning of PST production). I'm not 100% convinced, even though he has what seems to be legit Early Winter's doco with it.
I have two reasons for my doubts:
1 Many of the very early PSTs I've seen have "hollow" knurled screws, "Leatherman" only (no USA) pliers, and some have "Leatherman, USA" etched on the main part of the knife blade. This example has none of these characteristics.
2 This particular PST variant ie with only "US PAT 4238862" and a name stamped on the handles (No "Leatherman", mo Personal Survival Tool", no "Oregon, USA") is not particularly rare - I have 4 and I've seen quite a few more that I could have purchased. I have a theory that there was a large batch of these tools ordered from Leatherman, personalised and given out to many people as some kind of reward or promotion. Most I've looked at don't seem to have been used much at all.
I'd be very interested in hearing opinions from other people. ???
Greg, I think it's a lot easier ;)
It's really a PST for the Early Winter's. Just they were a few modifications (as like for Cabela's). Earliest and rarest have only "LEATHERMAN" on pliers, etch on knife blade and earliest (lightly gold) file, later (and not very rare) have "LEATHERMAN TOOL" on pliers and later types files. With hollow screws these tools were not.
By my calculations exist 5 different variants of this Eearly Winter's PSTs (I have 4).
Item on eBay is latest variant of EW PST, in addition with some name engraved - 1200$ it's just insanely overprice :D
A $200 PST, is this the new limited production collector item?
Thank you.
https://www.sportsmanswarehouse.com/sportsmans/Leatherman-PST-Tool/productDetail/Full-Size-Multi-Tool/prod99999056490/cat100817
Thank you for clarifying this for me, what are the main differences between them?
Just to satisfy my PST curiosity, what are the 5 different variations that you know of ?
Just to satisfy my PST curiosity, what are the 5 different variations that you know of ?
It's small part (only Early Winters variants) of my PST working table at the moment (changes are possible, green colored items that I have):
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Did Leatherman had an official contract in the past to provide tools to the Army?
Does anybody have info about this?
Thank you.
Did Leatherman had an official contract in the past to provide tools to the Army?
Does anybody have info about this?
Thank you.
As far as I know, Leatherman never had a contract to supply multitools to the U.S. military. Gerber beat them out with the MPT5. I discuss that in the linked thread, 'Gerber MPT vs Leatherman PST'
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,76277.0.html
Recently I bought new in blister packaged PST w/Nylon sheath. The date codes I can't see, because I don't want to damage the packaging. I think it's one of the latest releases before the end of their production and anyway not later than 1004 (october 2004).
2007!!?? What would that mean? ??? :think:
I bought a Supertool 200 NIP 1005 datecodes and a Grey Kf4 NIP (didn't look for it for the datecodes) in blister packs just like that around 2008-09 and the ST200 packaging has 2008 on it :salute: They also had PSTs :cheers: I bought a ST200, a couple of the Kf4s (one for a member here :tu: ) but I didn't get a PST :facepalm: as I had been looking for older ones at the time and that one was still a bit higher than what I wanted to pay considering they had on been discontinued a few years at that time :tu: So I would say it is the latest datecode on a PST with newer packaging to get rid of the remaining stock after the big discontinuing of 04/05 :salute:
Just two PSTs and 35 years between them :)
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Just two PSTs and 35 years between them :)
(https://content-9.foto.my.mail.ru/mail/wowaboro/258/b-546.JPG) (https://content-9.foto.my.mail.ru/mail/wowaboro/258/b-546.JPG)
I'm always amazed at all the many changes made to the PST over the years of production.
Finally I gathered all variants (four of four) of JPSTs with "POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL" on handles 8)
PST | Pliers | File |
1 | LM USA | Pattern1 |
2 | LM USA | Pattern1 |
MiJ Stamp | ||
3 | LM | Pattern2 |
4 | LM | Pattern3 |
JPST | Pliers | File tang stamp |
1 | LEATHERMAN USA | - (hidden) |
2 | LEATHERMAN USA | MADE IN JAPAN |
3 | LEATHERMAN | - (hidden) |
4 | LEATHERMAN | MADE IN JAPAN |
EDIT: PPS - How many in the collection now ??? :D
Now in my collection 146 PSTs (131 USPSTs and 15 JPSTs) :)
You have more than me :salute: , I have only(!) 118 PSTs (86 x USPSTs and 43 JPSTs)
You have more than me :salute: , I have only(!) 118 PSTs (86 x USPSTs and 43 JPSTs)
All my 146 PSTs - it's unique, no double items, what about yours 118? ;) :cheers:
Good to see that not all PSTs reside in the US ;) :pok:In fact here's the question ... ???
Now I found the heritage PST with no printed Leatherman signature on the handle.
Those tools are marked with "Limited Edition", no serialnumber inside the handles, just the production code 0717...
It comes in the wooden collectors edition box, with leather sheath and metall coin. Also inside was a picture card of Tim, personally signed on the backside and a PST sticker marked "Limited Edition" but even there is no signature on the sticker handle...
Now I found the heritage PST with no printed Leatherman signature on the handle.
Those tools are marked with "Limited Edition", no serialnumber inside the handles, just the production code 0717...
It comes in the wooden collectors edition box, with leather sheath and metall coin. Also inside was a picture card of Tim, personally signed on the backside and a PST sticker marked "Limited Edition" but even there is no signature on the sticker handle...
What price of this item?
Congrats to you, Andreas and your girlfriend too :)Thank you, wowaboro... And good luck for your search.
I saw this version of Heritage PST maybe half year ago (in january) and all this time I am waiting when it's will be available for purchase.
So, I will wait further :(
Congrats to you, Andreas and your girlfriend too :)Hey wowaboro,
I saw this version of Heritage PST maybe half year ago (in january) and all this time I am waiting when it's will be available for purchase.
So, I will wait further :(
Here is an update to the Heritage PST (no signature) in the wooden box (not collectors edition PST)... It is limited on only 400 pieces worldwide and was never for sale, only promotional gift or the 1st prize in a lottery on Tim's 35th anniversary "heritage tour" through several countries.
Congrats to you, Andreas and your girlfriend too :)Hey wowaboro,
I saw this version of Heritage PST maybe half year ago (in january) and all this time I am waiting when it's will be available for purchase.
So, I will wait further :(
Here is an update to the Heritage PST (no signature) in the wooden box (not collectors edition PST)... It is limited on only 400 pieces worldwide and was never for sale, only promotional gift or the 1st prize in a lottery on Tim's 35th anniversary "heritage tour" through several countries.
Well, this could be a rare piece of metal... :multi:
Here is an update to the Heritage PST (no signature) in the wooden box (not collectors edition PST)... It is limited on only 400 pieces worldwide and was never for sale, only promotional gift or the 1st prize in a lottery on Tim's 35th anniversary "heritage tour" through several countries.
Andreas, where this information from?
Most likely you right about "no signature Heritage PST" in wooden box, just these boxes are strictly a certain number. But, what about "no signature Heritage PST" in paper box (as usual Heritage PST)? As I know, they also exist ;)
The Leatherman Facebook page Germany is talking about 400 pcs worldwide for the version with no signature on handle in the wooden box. On the heritage party in Roadrunners club Berlin I was asking the promoter of the event, he was also talking about 400pcs and only 20 of them made it to Germany...
Of course I'm not sure if this is correct. Maybe I'm wrong. :oops: :salute:
Would be great if you could share some pictures of the design you have. :)
Very cool find !
LM PST BO DAK
A few days ago I found this Leatherman PST Black Oxide in my mail... Well, I had to pay for it of course, however I think (hope) it was a bargain.
Anyway, this PST BO has a pouch with the gold-colored Netherlands Defence Forces "interservice" logo printed on the flap.
Handles are inside dated 0696 and 0896.
The pliers have the notch.
The tool itself has a NSN inscripted in one of the handles: NSN 5110-01-321-8805, which is odd because the "01" means it is registered for the US.
Has anyone seen such a Dutch Army Knife LM PST before???
Looks to be in pristine condition to me :dd: :like: Probably nothing extraordinarily different about it but it is over 15 years old so there is that :cheers: :like:
As I've promised (to Andreas TTI), I've share the proofs of existing of "No signature Heritage PST" packed in paper box.Thats great! You are right :salute:
So far, I have item signed for some Melissa, but I hope someday Tim gets to Moscow and I will have the same, but "to Vladimir" :)
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12] 2001??
• New plier head has larger pivot (0601 earliest seen)
• Hard wire cutter notch has cast in indicator arrow
• Knife tang stamped LEATHERMAN only (USA dropped)
Not sure when they dropped the fish hook file groove.
I finally got it :)
Really first ever Cabela's PST (serif font of etching on knife blade) with first original leather sheath (large snap cap, clear and off-center Cabela's logo, no spacers inside on rivets).
First time I've seen the centre hole in the pivot? ???
Congrats on that one, wow :salute: :drool: :like:
I finally got it :)
Really first ever Cabela's PST (serif font of etching on knife blade) with first original leather sheath (large snap cap, clear and off-center Cabela's logo, no spacers inside on rivets).
Although I'm surprised you did not have this already.
I guess the features you describe above are different form the other early Calelas PSTs
It's the first time I have seen the blade etching (although, I note, it is in my table in the first post!! ..... I had to check !! ;) )
Of course, I already had few Cabela's PSTs, but this one has earliest and rarest knife blade with serif font ethching.I have one of those early ones but I'm not sure if it's the first batch that came out since none of the handles have the Leatherman brand on the handles at all. Only says Leatherman USA on the blade and it says Leatherman on the pliers.
Sans serif font etching more common and occurs on later PSTs.
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I just have no idea why the handles are blank, although it does have the patent but I think that's itGot any photos of it?
I just have no idea why the handles are blank, although it does have the patent but I think that's it
Got any photos of it?
Sounds like an interesting example. :) Looks just like the picture above
That was the version my Dad had. He was so thrilled with it!I wonder how many are left out there. It's been 35 years and they didn't make too many.
I wonder too....most were well used.Yup, the one I have has a broken screwdriver and the pliers are super worn. It has a lot of scratches and it can flip open like a butterfly knife.
I wonder how many are left out there. It's been 35 years and they didn't make too many.
These are the file versions I currently have, but am wondering how many file variations there are out there?
Thank you, wowaboro! :salute:
That is quite a lot. :o
Are all of the variations fairly obvious, or are some only noticeable by serious PST collectors?
I’ve just had to reset my view of how little I know about PST variations. :facepalm:
I suspect that wowaboro may know more about PST variations than any other person on earth :salute: :hatsoff:
Ok. So. Here's a list of what I have....only been at it a couple short months, hard to find older PSTs it seems::like:
- PST - early/mid 80s
- PST - earlier Japanese version (no lanyard + hollow rivets)
- PST - 0497/0797, Cabelas marked
- Micra from 2000
- Charge Plus TTi
- Surge LE (black & white)
Not sure how best to post pics to illustrate the older PSTs but it's fairly clear to me about their age given the info in the OP. The oldest is also marked with "Castle Engineering Co / Lakewood, Co" (top/bottom handles on reverse).
I could share pics easily via IG dm I think
Still hunting an 83 Cabelas PST......
So the journey has begun. We need to see pics :popcorn:
Hopefully this works...I took some decent pics (not sure if Imgur will butcher them) of my older PST. I date it to around 84-85 based on the OP but I offer it to the forum experts to say one way or another.That is a nice example, X-Factor! :like:
http://imgur.com/gallery/MVntatf
If this works I'll do my Japan PST next - that's a real stunner!
** I'm not the original owner of any of my vintage pieces, just a collector **
That is a nice example, X-Factor! :like:
Looking forward to seeing your JPST! :popcorn:
The JPST, with its' rivets and large font, is the best looking PST version IMO. :)
As promised, my JPST. I think this is an earlier JPST from 85-86 based on the OP criteria but on top of that the condition is amazing! I need to clean the leftover weird adhesive from the handle but otherwise it's practically unused.Wow. Very nice! Don't see a lot of the really early ones! :o
http://imgur.com/gallery/MsR4H2D
Let me know your thoughts!
Wow. Very nice! Don't see a lot of the really early ones! :o
Thank you for sharing! :cheers:
I've just got JPSTs with the large font w/ Lanyard ring right now. But, the large font is a favorite of mine. Though, an early one is on the want-list right now. :ahhh
This photo has one of them in it.
(https://i.imgur.com/UwBHBG0.jpg)
whats the one on the right? is that the ressiue that Tim signed a while back? I saw one of those for $800 on ebay the other day. Insane.
https://www.leatherman.com/collectors-edition-pst-532.html?dwvar_532_color=10&cgid=multi-tools#start=1
whats the one on the right? is that the ressiue that Tim signed a while back? I saw one of those for $800 on ebay the other day. Insane.Indeed it is the reissue. But, eBay sellers have been trying to juice them for a while for insane amounts. Like Wowaboro posted, LM still has some for less than eBay sellers are asking. Since I am not a big fan of storing packaging, I found a site that had the LE PST for $150 shipped. It was new in box with sheath, but iust didn't have the presentation box and doodles that come with the more expensive one. :ahhh
https://www.leatherman.com/collectors-edition-pst-532.html?dwvar_532_color=10&cgid=multi-tools#start=1Thank you, wowaboro! :salute:
Thats what I figured. Cool but not one I'm into lolSaid the same thing for months, but eventually saw one for $150 and couldn't help myself. :facepalm:
Is there any idea on how many black oxide PST with cap crimpers were made?
What seem to be the most rare combos?
ABURABURA, please edit your post. We do not allow solicitation in our forums. If you want to sell an item list it in the appropriate forum which is the B&S and list a price.:think: :hatsoff:
I have these Leatherman tools. Anyone know why are the blades different.
Just picked this up, 0996 and 0197 so assuming its a 96/97 pst. It also has durr dental so assuming some promotional item maybe?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191114/5d9dbb354460fde95ba8f2c53ebac22f.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191114/847da6aed5653456218dbb676ce369e2.jpg)
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Great observation :cheers:
It seems that somewhere between 07 '93 and 06 '96 the cut-out for the pliers locking area has been widened.
Thanks Ray... had my glasses on today :D:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
And would you have any idea about the earliest BO PST versions maybe?
Hi guys,
I've just noticed the following difference on the PST handles at the pliers ends.
......
It seems that somewhere between 07 '93 and 06 '96 the cut-out for the pliers locking area has been widened.
Is this somehow of interest to this project?
I couldn't find this info in the data-table on page one
More precisely:
XX83 - 0395 - narrow slot for pliers on handles
0495 - 1004 (0717) - wide slot for pliers on handles
Hi guys,
I've just noticed the following difference on the PST handles at the pliers ends.
The lower one is dated...
blank/0793
The middle one is dated...
0696/0896
The upper one is dated...
0197/0297
It seems that somewhere between 07 '93 and 06 '96 the cut-out for the pliers locking area has been widened.
Is this somehow of interest to this project?
I couldn't find this info in the data-table on page one :salute:
Thanks McS
Yes I had a look at mine - And saw the same overall thickness, but the 'lug' that locates into the handles is wider to match the wider 'slot'
Wow - What a subtle change!!
Good observation. :tu: Yes it is of interest. It may not be in this thread but I'm fairly certain this has been brought up in the past. :)
Great information indeed :like:
I’ve come across the book before and found some interesting info on how they went big and then small with their next MTs.
We really should start a list of these books and historical references. Sept 1997 Field & Steam is another one I need to find in print form:
https://books.google.co.za/books?id=J2rlrdSc1cYC&pg=PA78&lpg=PA78&dq=gerber+multi+plier+press+release&source=bl&ots=qHPMotVQVl&sig=ACfU3U2DAx_t6hwbryFa1hE88-3TX-W-9Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwin2bzy8eHmAhXQIVAKHd2RDWIQ6AEwGnoECAgQAw#v=onepage&q=gerber%20multi%20plier%20press%20release&f=false (https://books.google.co.za/books?id=J2rlrdSc1cYC&pg=PA78&lpg=PA78&dq=gerber+multi+plier+press+release&source=bl&ots=qHPMotVQVl&sig=ACfU3U2DAx_t6hwbryFa1hE88-3TX-W-9Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwin2bzy8eHmAhXQIVAKHd2RDWIQ6AEwGnoECAgQAw#v=onepage&q=gerber%20multi%20plier%20press%20release&f=false)
I’d say that’s too high. $40-50 will buy you a good sample. But if it’s in excellent condition and supplied with the original leather sheath, maybe... :dunno:thank you for the info Max! :tu: :tu:
I can get a early leatherman with the code 4238862 stamp on the handles. Should I buy it for 60 dollars.? Is the price high?It depends what you want ;) PST for collection or EDC? 4238862 on handles have only early PSTs and this price is reliable for good quality one. Do you have picture? Maybe it has also CABELA'S on handle? Or large letters with hole rivets? Anyway 60$ is good price for collectors. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200222/8ce801bf78e781054fcb0c8fa60b4caf.jpg)
Mail call! Got this PST off EBay. Outstanding nearly unused. No sheath and I paid a fortune but I think its a near mint 1984. Thoughts?
Won a down-to-the-wire auction last night on another 1984 - this one well used BUT has sheath and original papers! Paid far less than the other 84 that I just got, too. Once I have all in hand I'll do a family photo. Turning into a legit collection now I think....
Watch out, looking for different PST variants can be a bit addictive :pok:
I'm trying to limit myself to the 128 I currently have, and I'm not the worst PST addict around here ! (and yes, I have lots of duplicates, not quite sure why ??? )
Honestly my goal is still to find an '83 Cabelas. I have a really nice older JPST as well that I got by accident for peanuts, so that was a win. If you're familiar with the "pearl of great price" parable thats my thought process lol
I'll keep buying older and nicer ones to improve the collection until I find my grail. Rare things are my obsession.
Do y'all carry your vintage PSTs? I prefer my Charge + TTi or Surge LE for daily use (Micra stays on my keychain as well).
Keep looking, the early Cabela's Catalogue PSTs do turn up occasionally. The just as early Early Winter's catalogue PST seems to be a little more common. Look for an old PST with only "US PAT 4238862" (no other markings on handles).
My only EDC is an LM Squirt P4. But I do have several Crunches, Charges and ST300's stashed around the house and in vehicles where they are easily to get at if needed.
Wow really? ONLY the US PAT # on both handles? thats good to know
They ;)
beautiful. I'd pay good money for one of those lol
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I'd pay good money for one of those lolI have a couple of those for sale. But now postal shipment between Russia and USA is unpredictable and with long delays.
Honestly my goal is still to find an '83 Cabelas. I have a really nice older JPST as well that I got by accident for peanuts, so that was a win. If you're familiar with the "pearl of great price" parable thats my thought process lol
I'll keep buying older and nicer ones to improve the collection until I find my grail. Rare things are my obsession.
Do y'all carry your vintage PSTs? I prefer my Charge + TTi or Surge LE for daily use (Micra stays on my keychain as well).
I have a couple of those for sale. But now postal shipment between Russia and USA is unpredictable and with long delays.
I stopped all international sales. When it will return to normal condition (I hope in 1-2 months), I can sell this PST to you.
Sorry for offtop :hatsoff:
The PST is exactly what it says -- a POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL. It will get you out of a bind, without having to sheath up. Weighs not much more than any comparable 4" closed pocketknife and is just as slim.
That's exactly why I carry mine every day (minor rewording!) - So small and light - But packed with capability.
The only downside is somewhat uncomfortable handles - if you have to squeeze really hard on the pliers - But I can live with that
I do miss scissors - So PST II is good - Although I would have dropped a flat SD, instead of the awl, to accommodate the scissors
Great pic of that PST :like:
Congrats on the ST300 as well :tu:
Leatherman have been used by a lot of companies over the year with many different companies and brands on them :salute: Ford apparently bought some of them and had them branded :cheers:
You might email Ford :think: LM doesn't keep records on this sort of thing... at least I don't think they do :shrug::cheers: I'll give it a shot doesnt hurt to ask
Never hurt to email them and ask though :cheers:
Here is a pivot out / in photo - The later one on the right
I have 4 plus one PSTII but, the only PST I have interest in learning more about would be my early one with rivets and no date code. Did someone happen to complete the spreadsheet that helps to identify dates/time frame of tool updates and changes?Perhaps you'll find this URL of interest ...
If you would like, I can fill out the list of questions for the early PST I have. Maybe you guys can help identify its age just by that? Let me know
Perhaps you'll find this URL of interest ...
https://www.smartknives.com/Leatherman-Multi-Tools/PST.htm
I have 4 plus one PSTII but, the only PST I have interest in learning more about would be my early one with rivets and no date code.
Did someone happen to complete the spreadsheet that helps to identify dates/time frame of tool updates and changes?
If you would like, I can fill out the list of questions for the early PST I have. Maybe you guys can help identify its age just by that? Let me know
Perhaps you'll find this URL of interest ...
https://www.smartknives.com/Leatherman-Multi-Tools/PST.htm
Thanks for this Heywood - I know smartknives, but never looked at their PST info!Stoked to be of assistance mate. Cheers!
It's a very nice page so I added a link to the first post in this thread!
Yep that is good info.
So I think mine is a “Reg'd TM trademark text with Leatherman Japan on blade tang“. From what is written it was made around 1985-88? Can anyone clarify?
Also, I know there is a bit of rejuvenation/interest in PSTs. What would be an estimate of resale for something like this (and other versions)?
Is it Black Oxide or Stainless Steel :think:
Otherwise it is still sweet with the cap crimper :like:
Pivot out is on the right and pivot in is on the left :cheers:
LM PST BO DAK
A few days ago I found this Leatherman PST Black Oxide in my mail... Well, I had to pay for it of course, however I think (hope) it was a bargain.
Anyway, this PST BO has a pouch with the gold-colored Netherlands Defence Forces "interservice" logo printed on the flap.
Handles are inside dated 0696 and 0896.
The pliers have the notch.
The tool itself has a NSN inscripted in one of the handles: NSN 5110-01-321-8805, which is odd because the "01" means it is registered for the US.
Has anyone seen such a Dutch Army Knife LM PST before???
LM PST BO DAK
A few days ago I found this Leatherman PST Black Oxide in my mail... Well, I had to pay for it of course, however I think (hope) it was a bargain.
Anyway, this PST BO has a pouch with the gold-colored Netherlands Defence Forces "interservice" logo printed on the flap.
Handles are inside dated 0696 and 0896.
The pliers have the notch.
The tool itself has a NSN inscripted in one of the handles: NSN 5110-01-321-8805, which is odd because the "01" means it is registered for the US.
Has anyone seen such a Dutch Army Knife LM PST before???
At the request of MTO member Wowaboro I share with you some more pictures of the Dutch Army Leatherman. Enjoy!
And some more.
Did it come with a sheath?
Sweet PST, EMZ :drool: :like: :like:
Mid 80's, US PAT..., hollow rivets, Japan made PST
That is a Japan made PST (JPST) for sure.
Are the rivets hollow on the other side?
If so then it could be one of the very first outsourced to Japan I guess :think:
Edit: wowaboto beat me to it :hatsoff:
All the big font LM that I have ever seen are from Japan :salute: as well as the riveted ones :think: :tu:
Nice find :like:
Interesting
It's not just a bit of rust/oxiidisation is it? :think: :think:
PST's CC Pliers
But I give in on the differences betrween 1,2 and 3 ? Can you enlighten us please? ???
Hmm ........................... So you expect me to see something that is not even there :pok: ??? ;)
Hmm ........................... So you expect me to see something that is not even there :pok: ??? ;)
Hi folks! Just want to say i joined the other day.Ive only got 4 psts,but i love them too and always looking for them.Tough to find up here in ontario Canada This was quite the read all these pages but enjoyed it and learned lots.....Ben
Always good to have more data :cheers: The ones around that time period were known to have one handle with and another without dates stamped inside :tu: Probably used some of the last handles that they had without a stamp on them at that time :salute:
Great pic :like:
All nice and shiny. Great job :tu:
I have one like that too, from '93 where one handle is older with no date stamp :hatsoff:
Nice Qubit :pok: :tu:
Looks like someone did a bit of damage sharpening that blade...Indeed they did. Aloha told me that prior to him acquiring the JPST, some clod took it to a grinder. Not the appropriate tool for the job! :twak:
Thanks to Brenton (Legend), it turned out quite unexpectedly that the latest production date of the PST is not 1004, as it was thought all these years, but 1104. He discovered and bought one on ebay, and I rechecked my old stocks and also found this rarity. Now I will correct all my records :)We all know who the true Legend is. . …but yes, we shall rewrite history with these 1104 PST.
(https://content-27.foto.my.mail.ru/mail/wowaboro/258/b-1040.jpg) (https://content-27.foto.my.mail.ru/mail/wowaboro/258/b-1040.jpg)
Thanks to Brenton (Legend), it turned out quite unexpectedly that the latest production date of the PST is not 1004, as it was thought all these years, but 1104. He discovered and bought one on ebay, and I rechecked my old stocks and also found this rarity. Now I will correct all my records :)
// PST Finishes
“Most have seen a Stainless Steel and Black Oxide finish on a Pocket Survival Tool.
The 24k Gold Plated version was produced for the 10th Anniversary of Leatherman Tool Group, limited to 200 pieces.
There is however a lesser known Diamond Like Coating (DLC) finish which was first developed to meet U.S. Armed Forces standards for wear resistance in black tools issued. Seen here, third from the left, is a 0696 PST as issued to the United States Marine Corps.”
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// PST Finishes
“Most have seen a Stainless Steel and Black Oxide finish on a Pocket Survival Tool.
The 24k Gold Plated version was produced for the 10th Anniversary of Leatherman Tool Group, limited to 200 pieces.
There is however a lesser known Diamond Like Coating (DLC) finish which was first developed to meet U.S. Armed Forces standards for wear resistance in black tools issued. Seen here, third from the left, is a 0696 PST as issued to the United States Marine Corps.”
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230413/9dea0b99ee24472c9da8be274200eea2.jpg)
// PST Finishes:tu:
“Most have seen a Stainless Steel and Black Oxide finish on a Pocket Survival Tool.
There is however a lesser known Diamond Like Coating (DLC) finish which was first developed to meet U.S. Armed Forces standards for wear resistance in black tools issued. Seen here, third from the left, is a 0696 PST as issued to the United States Marine Corps.”
:tu:Can you share some side by side photos?
Yes, The DLC PSTs seem to be rather rare. Thanks for the extra info about them. I often wondered why they were made when LM already made BO ones. I have one stamped 0997/0198.
Here’s another one from the collection here that I’ve only seen in catalog photos like the last picture below.
This PST has the original font LEATHERMAN U.S.A. etched into the blade and an original style sheath with larger brass button.
Also pictured, an early set of instructions which stated a 30-day money back guarantee.
Per Tim, “I’d forgotten we offered the 30-day money back guarantee. I don’t remember anyone taking us up on it.”
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Can someone check all these for me??
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Send them all to me and I'll check them all thoroughly :tu:
Send them all to me and I'll check them all thoroughly :tu:
Damm beat me to it SteveThanks Huntsman.
Looks like there are some classic oldies in there - Nice
When I bought my Leatherman Pocket Survival tool no one knew who Leatherman was.That’s a beauty. So cool to hear your story and that you bought yours new at the store!
I had happened to read about the Pocket Survival Tool in one of the Knife magazines I subscribed to and i was in our local Montgomery Wards store one day in the sporting goods section and they had one Leatherman Pocket Survival Tool sitting on a shelf in a case and it was closed so nobody recognized what it was, but I did and I bought it on the spot.
I carried it for years before I met anyone else who had one.
"The earliest Leatherman PSTs are stamped US PAT
4238862 and LEATHERMAN TOOL on one arm, and
POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL on the other. They have a
rather primitive drop point blade, pliers with a
square profile near the pivot, an awl with ragged
mill marks, and a can opener bevel that faces out.
Early PSTs lack the small lanyard ring that is included
on every later version."
Here is a source with quite a lot of information on the PST.
https://smartknives.com/Leatherman-Multi-Tools/PST.htm
Click on pictures for full picture
That’s a beauty. So cool to hear your story and that you bought yours new at the store!
That’s a beauty. So cool to hear your story and that you bought yours new at the store!
:iagree:
Awesome story, awesome tool and awesome pics 8) :like: :like:
:nanadance: :nanadance:
Thank you for the pics SteveC.
Does anyone know what the first box was of the PST from Cabelas or the first box from ones early in the PST release? Is it one of the ones posted above?
I'll do that now, thank you! :hatsoff:
Let us know what you find out :tu:Member wowaboro sent me this photo. It is his photo of a first box that the first ones came in, see-through top.
When I bought my Leatherman Pocket Survival tool no one knew who Leatherman was.
PS. Gear to see all this action in this thread
Hey and what is that book? Have I missed something here? ???
Is it available for purchase?
So any idea the year since it doesn't have US Pat on it or a lanyard1986-1987
Great resource I got this yesterday for $6.00 and I am trying to figure out how old it is. Doesn't fit into all the details.Helluva bargain fella. Enjoy it, looks mint.
2] Early to mid-1980’s
• Knurled screw construction
Yes
• No lanyard attachment
Yes
• Small diameter plier pivot
Yes
• LEATHERMAN USA cast into plier pivot
Yes
• No hard wire cutter notch
Yes
• One handle stamped: LEATHERMAN TOOL, US PAT 4238862, PORTLAND OR
No us pat
• Other handle stamped POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL
No
• Inch ruler only, no metric
Yes
• No date codes
Yes
• Drop point knife blade
Yes
• Knife tang stamped LEATHERMAN USA
Yes
• Milled awl blade
Not sure
• Off center screwdrivers pivot IN
Not sure
• Can opener has left hand cut
Not sure
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Great to see you Dave :cheers: The book is great! :like: :like:
It's been a few weeks since I last visited :whistle: - but I had to pop-in to congratulate Brenton and everyone else involved on the Leatherman Pocket Survival Tool Inspection Report.
My copy arrived just now and it is beautifully put together and I can't wait to start getting into the fine details after work.
Well done everyone :cheers:
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