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Tool Talk => Leatherman Tools => Topic started by: Etherealicer on January 12, 2018, 09:58:25 AM
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Just saw on Blade HQ, that they now have Plus versions of the Wave and Charge with replaceable cutters.
Not sure if these are official LM models.
https://www.bladehq.com/item--Leatherman-Charge-Plus-Black-Multi--79246
https://www.bladehq.com/item--Leatherman-Charge-Plus-TTI-Multi--79199
https://www.bladehq.com/item--Leatherman-Wave-Plus-Multi-Tool-w--79247
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Oooohhhhh
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That was one of the project I wanted to do but didn't have time for. I like the way that this is going, never had problems with the pliers with replaceable cutters. Many people may not be happy though.. Reading so much complains about the compromised strength of the pliers on the rebar. This looks like there are even lesser material..
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They all look a little odd... The BO Wave Plus page shows a standard Wave with old pliers, and there's something funny about the pliers on the Charge AL and TTi product images.
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Didn't see anything about them on the Leatherman website after a cursory check.
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They all look a little odd... The BO Wave Plus page shows a standard Wave with old pliers, and there's something funny about the pliers on the Charge AL and TTi product images.
Strange LM don't advertise the Plus. No endorsement from them, I take it. That puts into question the 25y warranty...
The pliers on the three models linked to in the OP appear from the pics to be the stock Wave/Charge pliers (with the original's rounded-off edges and dimensions) cut out and drilled to accommodate the exchangeable cutter blades, i.e. less material than in the Rebar pliers.... I think there are two possibilities:
1- these are preliminary advertising pics photoshopped together (the rest of each of the pics looks remarkably like the ones on the LM website) and do not reflect the final product. It seems to me somewhat unlikely that they'd use even less material in the critical plier jaws' cross-sections than in the Rebar. So it could in reality be a simple pliers head swap for Rebar ones.
2- these are indeed final pics... in which case I wouldn't trust the pliers as much as the Rebar's... which are already controversial, as Sam notes...
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Is that sheath new? I haven't seen any like it before. The MOLLE sheath I have is the USA made that's solid black with Velcro.
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BladeHQ is often early with releases, they seem to be well connected. Considering the recent crack down of LM on TTC, I doubt that BladeHQ would not mention if they were after factory mods. And they explicitly state 25 years warranty.
At any rate, if this is a LM release then they address two requests:
- replaceable wire cutters (as long as they maintain the version without, everybody should be happy)
- better sheath (or at least a new one)
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Is that sheath new? I haven't seen any like it before. The MOLLE sheath I have is the USA made that's solid black with Velcro.
Well spotted, I think so, yes.
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I also noticed that there are now 3 variations of the blade
420HC
154CM
S30V
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No way!
Not paying those prices.
You can get a Rebar for $60 with replaceable cutters!
:whistle:
Just another way to rise up the prices...
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I also noticed that there are now 3 variations of the blade
420HC
154CM
S30V
Was always the case (well, after the TTi was released, at least). 420 on the Wave, 154cm on the AL/ALX/Ti and S30V on the TTi
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I also noticed that there are now 3 variations of the blade
420HC
154CM
S30V
Was always the case (well, after the TTi was released, at least). 420 on the Wave, 154cm on the AL/ALX/Ti and S30V on the TTi
Ah, wasn't aware of that... VICTORINOX FOREVER :viking:
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BladeHQ is often early with releases, they seem to be well connected. Considering the recent crack down of LM on TTC, I doubt that BladeHQ would not mention if they were after factory mods. And they explicitly state 25 years warranty.
At any rate, if this is a LM release then they address two requests:
- replaceable wire cutters (as long as they maintain the version without, everybody should be happy)
- better sheath (or at least a new one)
I have a feeling these will replace the original models entirely. Two reasons: they are the same price as the originals. And the originals are out of stock on leathermans website. That suggests to me they are selling out the old stock and building inventory for when the new model drops.
Athough I own Skeletools and Juices, I've been holding off on Wave/Charge because I want the replaceable cutters. This will push me over the top on buying one. It's a smart move on their part. Apparently it's already in stock on Blade HQ?!? So LM makes the announcement at Shot Show and the old models are replaced instantly.
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I never seen pliers heads like thoes, and they are not something someone can mod, so I am guessing that the 2018 new release.
(https://www.bladehq.com/imgs/multi-tools/leatherman/leatherman-wave/Leatherman-Wave-Plus-Multi-Tool-Nylon-Molle-Sheath-BHQ-79247-er-large.jpg)
(https://www.bladehq.com/imgs/multi-tools/leatherman/leatherman-charge-series/Leatherman-Charge-Plus-Black-Multi-Tool-nylon-sheath-BHQ-79246-er-bottlecap-large.jpg)
(https://www.bladehq.com/imgs/multi-tools/leatherman/leatherman-charge-series/Leatherman-Charge-Plus-TTI-Multi-Tool-Nylon-Sheath-BHQ-79199-er-large.jpg)
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I never seen pliers heads like thoes, and they are not something someone can mod, so I am guessing that the 2018 new release.
(https://www.bladehq.com/imgs/multi-tools/leatherman/leatherman-wave/Leatherman-Wave-Plus-Multi-Tool-Nylon-Molle-Sheath-BHQ-79247-er-large.jpg)
(https://www.bladehq.com/imgs/multi-tools/leatherman/leatherman-charge-series/Leatherman-Charge-Plus-Black-Multi-Tool-nylon-sheath-BHQ-79246-er-bottlecap-large.jpg)
(https://www.bladehq.com/imgs/multi-tools/leatherman/leatherman-charge-series/Leatherman-Charge-Plus-TTI-Multi-Tool-Nylon-Sheath-BHQ-79199-er-large.jpg)
Someone did made a modification to the rebar pliers just like that. It came up on Ebay a few months back.
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I like the Charge AL one with the new cutters!
Did anyone ask BladeHQ what the story is with these models then?
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:popcorn:
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They looks like bad Photoshop pics to me ??? I guess we will hear more about these at SHOT if they are for real :think: I like having different options but the prices are already on the upper end of what I want to pay for new :facepalm: If they go up even more then they will likely lose many over the price alone :ahhh Good find either way :salute:
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Its about time LM put those replaceable cutters on all their medium to heavy duty MTs, methinks :tu:
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I'd rather have the Rebar head and lose some material off the scissors handle, instead of these heads.
Which might happen once these start breaking on people.
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Calling them plus models seems wrong when the cutters are standard on things like the Rebar. Maybe it should be the Wave 2018 or New Wave etc. Course by having a plus it gives you an excuse to charge more for a standard feature and have both the non replaceable and the new ones sold separately at probably different price points.
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Calling them plus models seems wrong when the cutters are standard on things like the Rebar. Maybe it should be the Wave 2018 or New Wave etc. Course by having a plus it gives you an excuse to charge more for a standard feature and have both the non replaceable and the new ones sold separately at probably different price points.
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I agree David :-\
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I just noticed that the Charge AL has a gut hook. Hmmm
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Calling them plus models seems wrong when the cutters are standard on things like the Rebar. Maybe it should be the Wave 2018 or New Wave etc. Course by having a plus it gives you an excuse to charge more for a standard feature and have both the non replaceable and the new ones sold separately at probably different price points.
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I agree David :-\
We learned with the Skeletool KB, Juice B2, etc that Leatherman is all about squeezing more Benjamin's. I hope 2018 is a different year for them and something good comes to light.
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Calling them plus models seems wrong when the cutters are standard on things like the Rebar. Maybe it should be the Wave 2018 or New Wave etc. Course by having a plus it gives you an excuse to charge more for a standard feature and have both the non replaceable and the new ones sold separately at probably different price points.
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I agree David :-\
We learned with the Skeletool KB, Juice B2, etc that Leatherman is all about squeezing more Benjamin's. I hope 2018 is a different year for them and something good comes to light.
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I think these revised models come better equipped for the same price. Better sheath, replaceable cutters and it looks like it the Charge AL comes with a bit kit and clip included (not just the TTI). I predict the original non-cutter models are going away, they are sold out at the Leatherman web store. Plus the older models on BladeHQ are listed at $169.85. In retail that's sometimes shorthand for a discontinued product, prices usually end in 99 or 95. Of course this is speculation, but the fact they are the same price as the old models is another big factor too.
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https://www.bladehq.com/item--Leatherman-Wave-Plus-Black-Multi--79224
This just in. The photos are still of the older model but it lists the replaceable cutters. Also its in stock already.
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I do suspect that some one jumped the gun. I think this would actually be launched at Shot show.
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Calling them plus models seems wrong when the cutters are standard on things like the Rebar. Maybe it should be the Wave 2018 or New Wave etc. Course by having a plus it gives you an excuse to charge more for a standard feature and have both the non replaceable and the new ones sold separately at probably different price points.
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I agree David :-\
We learned with the Skeletool KB, Juice B2, etc that Leatherman is all about squeezing more Benjamin's. I hope 2018 is a different year for them and something good comes to light.
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I think these revised models come better equipped for the same price. Better sheath, replaceable cutters and it looks like it the Charge AL comes with a bit kit and clip included (not just the TTI). I predict the original non-cutter models are going away, they are sold out at the Leatherman web store. Plus the older models on BladeHQ are listed at $169.85. In retail that's sometimes shorthand for a discontinued product, prices usually end in 99 or 95. Of course this is speculation, but the fact they are the same price as the old models is another big factor too.
It looks like the original models are in stock on Leatherman's website again. Yesterday all these models said "out of stock". Perhaps there was some maintenance being done on the page. Plus I'm seeing .85 cents on some of the other Leatherman tools on US Amazon, that might be the lowest MAP price they can list them at and not an indicator of being discontinued. If they keep the old models that would be great, even better the new models aren't any more expensive. Hopefully we'll get the full story soon.
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I just noticed that the Charge AL has a gut hook. Hmmm
Also the Charge AL Plus has no metal inlay on the scales anymore. Couldn't figure out why it looked so weird at first.
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When is the SHOT Show this year?
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Smells like a pre-order to me. Or they got Lot 0 and are opening their mouths before SHOT which will make LM so perky.
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Basically did same mods to my edc Wave and sheath a couple of years ago plus added the Wingman scissors :D
(https://imageshack.com/a/img923/3086/xyoXlU.jpg)
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Basically did same mods to my edc Wave and sheath a couple of years ago plus added the Wingman scissors :D
(https://imageshack.com/a/img923/3086/xyoXlU.jpg)
Time traveller? Should have gotten a patent for that! :cheers:
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Maybe a Mini Surge is not too far away :tu:
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Had a gift card burning a whole in my pocket, ordered the black wave plus. :think:
We will see if it’s a bust or not. :-\ I sure hope it isn’t.
Will update.
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I was browsing the web today and saw this too. I thought about posting it here but thought it was old news. Smoky Mountain also have the plus option.
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wow, have not heard about it. ???
I think we have to wait until SHOT 2018 to see if it is real. But i doubt they are already in stock even before any presentation?! :think:
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After asking for the those three "specific models" of LM multi-tools PLUS version, I received an email from HQ Costumer Service with the following response which, by the way, still does not answered my question related to the PLUS :whistle:
"Thank you for your inquiry. Yes all of the Leatherman products we have are legitimate as we receive them all from Leatherman directly. You can also try contacting Leatherman to verify our active dealer status with them"
Please let me know if you have any further questions or concerns.
Thank you,
Seth L.
Customer Service Representative
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:like: :popcorn:
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I don't like the look of that replaceable cutter set-up. The wall is too thin. They can improve it a bit by adding a bevel on the lower outer edge of the blade, and leave extra material on the plier to fill that void.
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Well...I ordered a Charge Plus. Curious if they’re are any other changes.
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I don't like the look of that replaceable cutter set-up. The wall is too thin. They can improve it a bit by adding a bevel on the lower outer edge of the blade, and leave extra material on the plier to fill that void.
I would think there's no need for the cutter to be so tall. It's a huge chunk of metal there. I dun think the top part is contributing to the the strength of the cutter at all.
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It's nice to see Leatherman continuing their longstanding tradition of producing tools that members here have already made. :D
Which I am certain were a process of "simultaneous development" and were not ideas sourced from here, naturally.... :facepalm:
Def
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It's nice to see Leatherman continuing their longstanding tradition of producing tools that members here have already made. :D
Which I am certain were a process of "simultaneous development" and were not ideas sourced from here, naturally.... :facepalm:
Def
Not that they would ever admit it ;)
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It's nice to see Leatherman continuing their longstanding tradition of producing tools that members here have already made. :D
Which I am certain were a process of "simultaneous development" and were not ideas sourced from here, naturally.... :facepalm:
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Is this really a fair criticism?
With a few exceptions, the members are making things from existing Leatherman design and parts, while it is cool they mod their own tools, they're not exactly being totally original or anything.
I see this with guitars. Players have been modding their own guitars for decades. Fender might come out with a hybrid of their own designs and then people say they ripped off the modders, but did they? Doesn't a company have the right to do whatever they want with their own models and parts. Unless I'm mistaken, were people putting carbide cutters on these tool before Leatherman had them on another model? That would be somewhat impressive, but swapping plier heads on models that already exist and are similar enough while that is neat, it's not exactly Skunkworks r&d.
There is a long history of companies being inspired by their customer base, that is a good thing not an exploitation in my opinion. Part of any business is figuring out what your customer base wants. If the customer base shows hints that they want something, can you blame the company for making it. When the car culture was putting big engines in a light car, and Ford and others said hey people want this, was Ford wrong somehow for making a car the public wanted.
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Yes, but if they would at least acknowledge where the ideas came from it would be something ;) Of course it might come down to money for an idea and they don't want that I am sure :salute:
They are basically saying we came up with the idea on our own without feedback from anyone :-\
Plus the blame game can go on to Gerber stole their PST design so they stole the carbide cutter design and changed the material then stole the MP600, basically changed a few things and called it the OHT ::)
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Yes, but if they would at least acknowledge where the ideas came from it would be something ;) Of course it might come down to money for an idea and they don't want that I am sure :salute:
They are basically saying we came up with the idea on our own without feedback from anyone :-\
Plus the blame game can go on to Gerber stole their PST design so they stole the carbide cutter design and changed the material then stole the MP600, basically changed a few things and called it the OHT ::)
Or at least offer a 50% off any purchase for the idea.. :D
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Yes, but if they would at least acknowledge where the ideas came from it would be something ;) Of course it might come down to money for an idea and they don't want that I am sure :salute:
They are basically saying we came up with the idea on our own without feedback from anyone :-\
I don't understand what you mean or what you expect them to do.
Harley-Davidson makes motorcycles, many different models for a long time. People in the motorcycle culture took old Harleys and took bits and pieces off them, added some others, modified frames, mixed different models. People called their creations all different types of things. Harley over the years payed some attention, started taking design cues from the streets, offering customization from the factory, continued to make motorcycles. But what does Harley-Davidson owe the motorcycle community, except to continue trying to make models that will inspire people to buy, ride, and in some cases modify. In my opinion not a thing, their obligation is to make a good product, not much else.
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There was also the time LM used an image from a user on this site, did not give any credit and failed to realize it was a modded tool until the Facebook comments lit up!
I know there's a thread on it somewhere.
As a company, I'm sure they scan the site but at the moment they are too busy trying to cater to the newest generation, jumping into the niches with 1 peice tools for example.
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I really like this new plus versions. I have not bought a Wave or Charge due to the pliers head. I really like the idea of of the replaceable cutters and love that on my Surge. A Wave Plus might now be a worth little brother to my Surge.
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Yes, but if they would at least acknowledge where the ideas came from it would be something ;) Of course it might come down to money for an idea and they don't want that I am sure :salute:
They are basically saying we came up with the idea on our own without feedback from anyone :-\
I don't understand what you mean or what you expect them to do.
Harley-Davidson makes motorcycles, many different models for a long time. People in the motorcycle culture took old Harleys and took bits and pieces off them, added some others, modified frames, mixed different models. People called their creations all different types of things. Harley over the years payed some attention, started taking design cues from the streets, offering customization from the factory, continued to make motorcycles. But what does Harley-Davidson owe the motorcycle community, except to continue trying to make models that will inspire people to buy, ride, and in some cases modify. In my opinion not a thing, their obligation is to make a good product, not much else.
We can just agree to disagree on this is what we can do :salute:
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There was also the time LM used an image from a user on this site, did not give any credit and failed to realize it was a modded tool until the Facebook comments lit up!
I know there's a thread on it somewhere.
As a company, I'm sure they scan the site but at the moment they are too busy trying to cater to the newest generation, jumping into the niches with 1 peice tools for example.
Now THATS interesting. :D
Anyone got a link?
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We can just agree to disagree on this is what we can do :salute:
I'm not even trying to disagree. I'm trying to understand what the point being made is and what people expect from Leatherman.
If the criticism is that these are bad(nobody has tried them) or that it's a stale idea(many posts here have been asking for a model like this from Leatherman) that is a whole other discussion.
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I believe the point being made is that MTO leads the way again for Leatherman.
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It's nice to see Leatherman continuing their longstanding tradition of producing tools that members here have already made. :D
Which I am certain were a process of "simultaneous development" and were not ideas sourced from here, naturally.... :facepalm:
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Is this really a fair criticism?
With a few exceptions, the members are making things from existing Leatherman design and parts, while it is cool they mod their own tools, they're not exactly being totally original or anything.
I see this with guitars. Players have been modding their own guitars for decades. Fender might come out with a hybrid of their own designs and then people say they ripped off the modders, but did they? Doesn't a company have the right to do whatever they want with their own models and parts. Unless I'm mistaken, were people putting carbide cutters on these tool before Leatherman had them on another model? That would be somewhat impressive, but swapping plier heads on models that already exist and are similar enough while that is neat, it's not exactly Skunkworks r&d.
There is a long history of companies being inspired by their customer base, that is a good thing not an exploitation in my opinion. Part of any business is figuring out what your customer base wants. If the customer base shows hints that they want something, can you blame the company for making it. When the car culture was putting big engines in a light car, and Ford and others said hey people want this, was Ford wrong somehow for making a car the public wanted.
I for one am with you on this, Greg.
For a while, I did IT for a manufacturing plant so I have a small idea of creating the overall process, and how making just one small change can add a lot to the company's bottom line when the dust settles.
"I wish Leatherman would do this" and "I wish Leatherman would do that." I've had some of those wishes, too and understand why they may not be implemented, but why be brash about the fact that Leatherman is paying attention?
And you are right about modding. Some talented modders here for sure and I admire them. But they are not developing the tools, just nodding.
Look at Tim Leathermans early mock ups of the PST. He didn't grab an Irwin Vice-Grips (R) or a Craftsman needlenose plyers and mod them into the Mr. Crunch prototype, he had to fashion them out of cardboard, then wood, then finally metal himself. And being an engineer is a far cry from being a tin knocker.
We should be glad that leatherman is fashioning tools that we are saying we want. And of course, they should be glad for MTO, because this is the biggest, easiest place to find customer feedback that they have ever had to date.
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Maybe Leatherman should commission ObiWanShinobee like CRKT did Ed Halligan
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Maybe Leatherman should commission ObiWanShinobee like CRKT did Ed Halligan
+1!
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If a manufacturer did decide to credit MTO modders it may be hard to pin down who the originator of a mod was. :think:
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Maybe Leatherman should commission ObiWanShinobee like CRKT did Ed Halligan
+1!
Yes, or maybe you, Dutch. I still remember what you did with those scissors
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And that is my point (and was Grants) that MTO as a whole should at least be given a nod if they were the inspiration for a change...
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Maybe Leatherman should commission ObiWanShinobee like CRKT did Ed Halligan
+1!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Leatherman Design Team Scum :twak:.. Next thing they gonna made this on Rebar :dd:
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I for one look FORWARD to finally having a ballpoint pen in my Wave's scales, and while it's strange that they're putting a tiny flathead screwdriver in the Wave's corkscrew (which I can't seem to find), since it already has one in it's small bit holder, I GUESS it's a good idea? I don't know where they plan to put the straight pin, though.
Wait... What does Leatherman MEAN by 'Plus'? :D
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I for one look FORWARD to finally having a ballpoint pen in my Wave's scales, and while it's strange that they're putting a tiny flathead screwdriver in the Wave's corkscrew (which I can't seem to find), since it already has one in it's small bit holder, I GUESS it's a good idea? I don't know where they plan to put the straight pin, though.
Wait... What does Leatherman MEAN by 'Plus'? :D
+ :facepalm:
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I for one look FORWARD to finally having a ballpoint pen in my Wave's scales, and while it's strange that they're putting a tiny flathead screwdriver in the Wave's corkscrew (which I can't seem to find), since it already has one in it's small bit holder, I GUESS it's a good idea? I don't know where they plan to put the straight pin, though.
Wait... What does Leatherman MEAN by 'Plus'? :D
+ :facepalm:
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Well, just got it and returned it. Really bad QC. File doesn’t lock up well and the blade lockup is super late. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180122/b6a542687d2a8663b04db1f17afd8a3f.jpg)
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That is very dissapointing, kinda shocked those pliers are going to hold up too.
I really really hope it's just a dud but only time will tell.
Could you take more photos of the plier head before you send it back?
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Was the new Molle nylon sheath included or a leather sheath? Asking because their ad say "leather sheath" but the show the new nylon with a snap-on button :think:
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Had a gift card burning a whole in my pocket, ordered the black wave plus. :think:
We will see if it’s a bust or not. :-\ I sure hope it isn’t.
Will update.
Hey Gfan! Did you get the Wave Plus?... or did you change your mind?
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So this is apprently true about the Plus :salute: I need to add that in the wiki along with the other things that I need to add :facepalm: :D
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Just received mine today. For me, having those cutters is huge. This will definitely share time with the rebar now. The outer walls do seem thin, but if it breaks, it will head back to be fixed. I’m not to worried about it. I know anything can happen, but I always try to use my MT’s appropriately. So hopefully it won’t be an issue.
This one came with the black molle sheath.
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Just saw your question JC after I posted this. :cheers:
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Well it's on pre-order in the UK and as suspected the price is eye watering
https://www.heinnie.com/leatherman-wave-43
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Well it's on pre-order in the UK and as suspected the price is eye watering
https://www.heinnie.com/leatherman-wave-43
Yes... Heinnie declares these to be part of the "Heritage collection" and puts them in special leather sheaths - this may explain the high price at least in part. Does that happen with the offerings in the US too?
I still have my reservations about the pliers. Also, if QC is that poor (see Gadgetman's post), the price seems way over the top.
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Well it's on pre-order in the UK and as suspected the price is eye watering
https://www.heinnie.com/leatherman-wave-43
Yes... Heinnie declares these to be part of the "Heritage collection" and puts them in special leather sheaths - this may explain the high price at least in part. Does that happen with the offerings in the US too?
I still have my reservations about the pliers. Also, if QC is that poor (see Gadgetman's post), the price seems way over the top.
Meaning say these are limited quantity or going to replace the existing model? Hmm.. Anyway, SHOT show is today. We'll see...
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I like the idea but man, those plier heads look really weak with the cutters implemented.
I've put my Wave through some tasks and jobs I'd really hesitate to put one of these through :P
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Just received mine today. For me, having those cutters is huge. This will definitely share time with the rebar now. The outer walls do seem thin, but if it breaks, it will head back to be fixed. I’m not to worried about it. I know anything can happen, but I always try to use my MT’s appropriately. So hopefully it won’t be an issue.
This one came with the black molle sheath.
Nice knife, I am eyeing the Charge+. How is the new sheath?
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Just received mine today. For me, having those cutters is huge. This will definitely share time with the rebar now. The outer walls do seem thin, but if it breaks, it will head back to be fixed. I’m not to worried about it. I know anything can happen, but I always try to use my MT’s appropriately. So hopefully it won’t be an issue.
This one came with the black molle sheath.
Nice knife, I am eyeing the Charge+. How is the new sheath?
The sheath is the same smaller black molle as they have had for awhile. To be honest, I’m not a big fan of it. I’ve had one wear out pretty quick. I think I’m going to use the older style, nylon rectangle one.
Thanks :cheers:
As of last night, the wave was off LM’s site, just had the plus.
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I’ve already returned the Charge so no more pics. Sorry. The sheath that came with the Charge was the new sheath but frankly kind of cheap. Nylon with a snap but no way to carry it horizontally. Overall, just not well done. Especially for the price. I really hope Leatherman fixes these issues. They can make an excellent product. It’s just hit or miss right now.
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As of last night, the wave was off LM’s site, just had the plus.
Not on https://www.leatherman.de/de/multi-tools/large-multi-tools/wave/ yet (i.e. in Germany).
Oops - correction - when you use the link to Buy It the results are only a black oxide old Wave w/Molle sheath available - which is then declared "unavailable in your country". That is just SO inconsistent... :rant:
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As of last night, the wave was off LM’s site, just had the plus.
Not on https://www.leatherman.de/de/multi-tools/large-multi-tools/wave/ yet (i.e. in Germany).
Oops - correction - when you use the link to Buy It the results are only a black oxide old Wave w/Molle sheath available - which is then declared "unavailable in your country". That is just SO inconsistent... :rant:
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As of last night, the wave was off LM’s site, just had the plus.
Not on https://www.leatherman.de/de/multi-tools/large-multi-tools/wave/ yet (i.e. in Germany).
Oops - correction - when you use the link to Buy It the results are only a black oxide old Wave w/Molle sheath available - which is then declared "unavailable in your country". That is just SO inconsistent... :rant:
That stinks, hope they get that straightened out for you all outside the US.
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Just received mine today. For me, having those cutters is huge. This will definitely share time with the rebar now. The outer walls do seem thin, but if it breaks, it will head back to be fixed. I’m not to worried about it. I know anything can happen, but I always try to use my MT’s appropriately. So hopefully it won’t be an issue.
This one came with the black molle sheath.
Nice knife, I am eyeing the Charge+. How is the new sheath?
The sheath is the same smaller black molle as they have had for awhile. To be honest, I’m not a big fan of it. I’ve had one wear out pretty quick. I think I’m going to use the older style, nylon rectangle one.
Thanks :cheers:
As of last night, the wave was off LM’s site, just had the plus.
CORRECTION
They still have the black and silver wave, but not the bo or stainless.
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Can anyone provide pics of the new sheath?
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Can anyone provide pics of the new sheath?
From BladeHQ site
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180124/614d20b0e24b74e466e26ddf8e06ff78.jpg)
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Everything you need to know on the Wave.
Including the new sheath overview
He notes the terrible QC, as expected.
https://youtu.be/ARvfZZ9mJw0
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Everything you need to know on the Wave.
Including the new sheath overview
He notes the terrible QC, as expected.
https://youtu.be/ARvfZZ9mJw0
Ten years late :facepalm:
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Everything you need to know on the Wave.
Including the new sheath overview
He notes the terrible QC, as expected.
https://youtu.be/ARvfZZ9mJw0
the production model would have "+" stamped on scales. Hopefully the QC would be improved.
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ALX is no more, the AL would have additional cutting hook on serrated blade. No other changes made.
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LM Charge Plus
https://youtu.be/jSE_2bfrtdU
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:rofl:
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So I sent my wave in for warranty recently and it arrived at their facility the other day... Now I'm wondering if they're just going to replace it with the Wave+ because my current wave is technically no longer in production?
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ALX is no more, the AL would have additional cutting hook on serrated blade. No other changes made.
Suddenly, ALX becomes a collector's item >:D
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So I sent my wave in for warranty recently and it arrived at their facility the other day... Now I'm wondering if they're just going to replace it with the Wave+ because my current wave is technically no longer in production?
I really doubt it, they have thousands of spare parts and they can often replace or put back tools that have been years out of the market.
When I sent my Surge (non replaceable cutters) for repairs it had been out of production for quite a bit, but even then they put on all the tools that were broken from the original old-Surge configuration but brand new and unused
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So I sent my wave in for warranty recently and it arrived at their facility the other day... Now I'm wondering if they're just going to replace it with the Wave+ because my current wave is technically no longer in production?
I really doubt it, they have thousands of spare parts and they can often replace or put back tools that have been years out of the market.
When I sent my Surge (non replaceable cutters) for repairs it had been out of production for quite a bit, but even then they put on all the tools that were broken from the original old-Surge configuration but brand new and unused
Yeah that's kind of how I'm thinking too. With how popular the wave is, I'm sure they still have many parts and refurbished units that they ship out when people send their wave in for warranty. Oh well, I don't think the removable wire cutters are a huge deal. They're a nice addition, but not something I'd buy another wave for. I'd get a rebar if I buy another multitool. :tu:
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Anybody else receive the wave plus with no + on the scales? LM shows wave + on the site, mine just says wave, with a little different lettering than the old.
Just curious
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Anybody else receive the wave plus with no + on the scales? LM shows wave + on the site, mine just says wave, with a little different lettering than the old.
Just curious
I might hold on to that one just in case it is a very early one :tu: :like:
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:cheers:
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Ok, so it seems a lot of viewers are commenting on the removable wire cutters. i have only broken 1 plier head in my days, it was on a Gerber mp 400 and it snapped under minimal pressure while holding a small bolt while replacing the rubber stripping on an abrams tank front track guard/fender. So my question is, what exactly breaks when one has the replaceable wire cutter? Is it the possibility that the screw snaps off and the cutter come apart, or the plier head itself snapping at the thinnest point just above the cutters? They seem to be indented into the head a bit to relieve the stress on the screw. I have a rebar, surge and signal with them and havent had any problems with pliers etc. Or perhaps its a twisting/flexing that could strip out the screw over time?
I plan on getting both of them eventually, i have a self imposed ban on impulse buys, must sell one to buy one type of thing.
Also do the new sheaths have the horizontal carry option?
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Anybody else receive the wave plus with no + on the scales? LM shows wave + on the site, mine just says wave, with a little different lettering than the old.
Just curious
They aren't done with production setup yet.
Sending out old frames with new plier heads just to fill demand at the moment
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Anybody else receive the wave plus with no + on the scales? LM shows wave + on the site, mine just says wave, with a little different lettering than the old.
Just curious
They aren't done with production setup yet.
Sending out old frames with new plier heads just to fill demand at the moment
Thanks NK, I agree with you. I contacted LM, they wouldn’t give me a direct answer. They asked to see a pic, after seeing it, still no answer. They said I could send it in for replacement, but I told them nah nothings wrong with it. Just wondering.
Did see a YT vid of guy with the exact same thing, from Blade HQ. Think your right
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I will be buying one of these new plus models in the relatively near future. The biggest reason I did not buy a Wave/Charge in the past was the pliers head, I had a Blast that did everything a Wave did minus the exterior blades. I think this will now be the perfect tool for when I need more than my Skeletool but don't want the weight of my Surge. It will replace my old Blast.
I was using the compare function on Leatherman's website and the comparing the Wave+, Charge+ and Charge+ TTI and in the pictures of them they are all nearly identical as far as blades and tools. Charges+/Charge+TTI has the gut hook the Wave does not but visual it appears all the same tool/blades. But when you look at the tables of features it shows that the Charge+ does not have scissors or the medium flat screw driver blade but instead has two large bit drivers (this is mirrored on the Charge+ page). Yet the video link earlier in the thread shows a Charge+ with the scissors and medium flat screw drive blade.
I am leaning towards the Black Oxide Wave+ but I really could make use of the gut hook so that draws me towards the Charge+ but I would not want to give up the scissors. It appears for now they are shipping Charge+ as pictured it will be interesting to see if they start shipping Charge+ as listed or if they correct the table.
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The sheath looks good but the lack of side pockets for a bit extender is really weird. Did anybody already perform a test for those new pliers and replaceable wire cutters?
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The sheath looks good but the lack of side pockets for a bit extender is really weird. Did anybody already perform a test for those new pliers and replaceable wire cutters?
They were doing two version of the new nylon sheath. One with two pocket, one for the tool, one for the card of extra bits. And then a version that has those to pockets and the addition of the two side elastics for bit extender, pens, etc.
(https://www.leatherman.com/dw/image/v2/AAMV_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-master/default/dw299ec3f6/large/Small%20Black%20Nylon%20Sheath.png?sw=1000&sh=1000&sm=fit)
This simpler one they are doing in Small, Medium, and Large
(https://www.leatherman.com/dw/image/v2/AAMV_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-master/default/dw9188ecd9/large/Large%20Black%20Nylon%204-Pocket%20Sheath.png?sw=1000&sh=1000&sm=fit)
This one only comes in Medium and Large.
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Why, in all of tarnation, does Leatherman keep putting cap crimpers on the TTi? :twak: Leatherman should, AT LEAST, offer a non-capcrimper version of the TTi, but them ugly scales... I'm content with v1.0 scales. Have Rebar pliers in there too, although the tool does not close up completely ... probably cause I removed the metal-toothpick (LOL) for a much more needed awl.
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Why, in all of tarnation, does Leatherman keep putting cap crimpers on the TTi? :twak: Leatherman should, AT LEAST, offer a non-capcrimper version of the TTi, but them ugly scales... I'm content with v1.0 scales. Have Rebar pliers in there too, although the tool does not close up completely ... probably cause I removed the metal-toothpick (LOL) for a much more needed awl.
When I looked at Leatherman's booth at Shot Show I saw Wave+, Charge+ and Charge+ TTI all with and without the primer crimp pliers head. The Leatherman rep there said they have always offered them in both pliers heads. I didn't argue with him.
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Why, in all of tarnation, does Leatherman keep putting cap crimpers on the TTi? :twak: Leatherman should, AT LEAST, offer a non-capcrimper version of the TTi, but them ugly scales... I'm content with v1.0 scales. Have Rebar pliers in there too, although the tool does not close up completely ... probably cause I removed the metal-toothpick (LOL) for a much more needed awl.
When I looked at Leatherman's booth at Shot Show I saw Wave+, Charge+ and Charge+ TTI all with and without the primer crimp pliers head. The Leatherman rep there said they have always offered them in both pliers heads. I didn't argue with him.
This must be his first job after coming down from a mountain..
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I think I’m going to get a BO Wave + ::) 8)
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It's nice to see Leatherman continuing their longstanding tradition of producing tools that members here have already made. :D
Which I am certain were a process of "simultaneous development" and were not ideas sourced from here, naturally.... :facepalm:
Def
Yeah! How many years did it take Leatherman to catch up this time? Still... why do they put that metal-toothpick in there? Don't supposed it's because they have nothing else to go in there that will fit? Wave/Charge with an awl, ditch that eyeglass screwdriver.
Leatherman could renovate the large bit driver to accommodate the mini screwdriver hole in there too. But what would they put in place of that. Surely not an awl, no no, can't put something in there that customers want. That would be unheard of.
Wave's scissors aren't the best overall anyhow, put an awl in there for the working man. Oops! Spoke out of turn again. :rofl:
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Why, in all of tarnation, does Leatherman keep putting cap crimpers on the TTi? :twak: Leatherman should, AT LEAST, offer a non-capcrimper version of the TTi, but them ugly scales... I'm content with v1.0 scales. Have Rebar pliers in there too, although the tool does not close up completely ... probably cause I removed the metal-toothpick (LOL) for a much more needed awl.
When I looked at Leatherman's booth at Shot Show I saw Wave+, Charge+ and Charge+ TTI all with and without the primer crimp pliers head. The Leatherman rep there said they have always offered them in both pliers heads. I didn't argue with him.
Only way I got that to happen was sending in the Charge TTi after some stuff broke over the years. I asked if they could replace the pliers with standard pliers, no cap crimper! That one time they put normal pliers in.
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Ok, so it seems a lot of viewers are commenting on the removable wire cutters. i have only broken 1 plier head in my days, it was on a Gerber mp 400 and it snapped under minimal pressure while holding a small bolt while replacing the rubber stripping on an abrams tank front track guard/fender. So my question is, what exactly breaks when one has the replaceable wire cutter? Is it the possibility that the screw snaps off and the cutter come apart, or the plier head itself snapping at the thinnest point just above the cutters? They seem to be indented into the head a bit to relieve the stress on the screw. I have a rebar, surge and signal with them and havent had any problems with pliers etc. Or perhaps its a twisting/flexing that could strip out the screw over time?
I plan on getting both of them eventually, i have a self imposed ban on impulse buys, must sell one to buy one type of thing.
Also do the new sheaths have the horizontal carry option?
I am not sure what these MT designers had in mind when designing these replaceable cutters. On indexable mills or drills, the threaded hole is not exactly concentric with the insert hole. It means, there is a friction between the screw and the side of the insert hole, and the crew pushed the insert against the tool pocket's wall. So, the tool body will absorb the cutting shock, and the screw simply holds the insert in place. The screw is more likely stripped on the torx profile from being too tight than getting sheared off. I hope these tools were designed with same methodology.
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here's my detailed photo session (picture heavy!) for Wave Charge PLUS models I made for polish knife forum....
https://forum.knives.pl/index.php?topic=193911
(http://tap.pl/_img/knives/leatherman_charge_wave_plus/04_porownanie/05-LM-plus-5240.jpg)
(http://tap.pl/_img/knives/leatherman_charge_wave_plus/10_extras/31-LM-plus-5727.jpg)
I hope that will help a bit to make a decision ;)
Tom
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here's my detailed photo session (picture heavy!) for Wave Charge PLUS models I made for polish knife forum....
https://forum.knives.pl/index.php?topic=193911
(http://tap.pl/_img/knives/leatherman_charge_wave_plus/04_porownanie/05-LM-plus-5240.jpg)
(http://tap.pl/_img/knives/leatherman_charge_wave_plus/10_extras/31-LM-plus-5727.jpg)
I hope that will help a bit to make a decision ;)
Tom
I can't get all the pics to load on that site... could you post the pics for 'LEATHERMAN WAVE PLUS - TESTING' here please. :cheers:
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here's my detailed photo session (picture heavy!) for Wave Charge PLUS models I made for polish knife forum....
https://forum.knives.pl/index.php?topic=193911
(http://tap.pl/_img/knives/leatherman_charge_wave_plus/04_porownanie/05-LM-plus-5240.jpg)
(http://tap.pl/_img/knives/leatherman_charge_wave_plus/10_extras/31-LM-plus-5727.jpg)
I hope that will help a bit to make a decision ;)
Tom
Fantastic review and pics !
As I suspected the pliers with be plenty strong and up the most tasks. :tu:
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here's my detailed photo session (picture heavy!) for Wave Charge PLUS models I made for polish knife forum....
https://forum.knives.pl/index.php?topic=193911
(http://tap.pl/_img/knives/leatherman_charge_wave_plus/04_porownanie/05-LM-plus-5240.jpg)
(http://tap.pl/_img/knives/leatherman_charge_wave_plus/10_extras/31-LM-plus-5727.jpg)
I hope that will help a bit to make a decision ;)
Tom
picture heavy indeed! Such beautiful pics! :cheers: :like:
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here's my detailed photo session (picture heavy!) for Wave Charge PLUS models I made for polish knife forum....
https://forum.knives.pl/index.php?topic=193911
(http://tap.pl/_img/knives/leatherman_charge_wave_plus/04_porownanie/05-LM-plus-5240.jpg)
(http://tap.pl/_img/knives/leatherman_charge_wave_plus/10_extras/31-LM-plus-5727.jpg)
I hope that will help a bit to make a decision ;)
Tom
Nice set of excellent photos! :like:
I find it interesting that the black Wave+ gets a different sheath. I was coming here to post about that when I saw this post. I was at Cabelas today and they had both of the new Wave+ and the regular silver one had Cabelas on the one handle and came with the new sheath while the Wave+ Black did not have Cabelas logo and came with the older sheath as picture is this excellent set of photos.
I really want a black Wave+ but I sort of want the new sheath also... ???
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I just noticed that Leatherman got rid of the name plates on the Charge AL scales. So it is all cost cutting and efficiency now, huh?
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I saw a video on youtube and it said only for sale in the US, is the + tools not coming to Europe?
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I saw a video on youtube and it said only for sale in the US, is the + tools not coming to Europe?
They are already here mate :D.
(https://i.imgur.com/6oH3OTe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vHUJGIn.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MXYxIFb.jpg)
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I saw a video on youtube and it said only for sale in the US, is the + tools not coming to Europe?
They are already here mate :D.
(https://i.imgur.com/6oH3OTe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vHUJGIn.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MXYxIFb.jpg)
Omg! Is there any place that ships to Sweden that got them??? :gimme:
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I saw a video on youtube and it said only for sale in the US, is the + tools not coming to Europe?
They are already here mate :D.
(https://i.imgur.com/6oH3OTe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vHUJGIn.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MXYxIFb.jpg)
Omg! Is there any place that ships to Sweden that got them??? :gimme:
I don't know mate, I found mine at the local outdoor shop, I doubt they will ship to Sweden :-\.
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Top notch pics TG 8) :like: :like:
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Top notch pics TG 8) :like: :like:
Thanks Poncho, took those inside, with bad lighting and with my smartphone ... but they turned out just fine, didn't they ;).
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I saw a video on youtube and it said only for sale in the US, is the + tools not coming to Europe?
They are already here mate :D.
(https://i.imgur.com/6oH3OTe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vHUJGIn.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MXYxIFb.jpg)
Omg! Is there any place that ships to Sweden that got them??? :gimme:
Heinnie in the UK will, but probably best to wait for lamnia.com
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How does te Wave+ plierhead compare to the OHT?
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Gerber should go in the other direction of the Wave+ and offer the Center-Drive with non-replaceable wire-cutters.
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Gerber should go in the other direction of the Wave+ and offer the Center-Drive with non-replaceable wire-cutters.
Hmm, to me replaceable cutters are a God sent. They need to change it to a decent material. If leatherman can use a chunk of 154 at the same price or even cheaper, I dun see why gerber can't do that.
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Greetings all,
I received a Charge Plus from a Polish Webshop a couple of days ago, but would welcome some advice from the Leatherman regulars
I'm really happy with the feature set (it's why I bought it after all!) but the quality control appears to be lacking..
So much so that I'm already toying around with the idea of returning it and buying a ST Spirit, or sending it to LM for a rework, but wanted to get the consensus from you guys first.
This my first LM since a bomb-proof PST I had over a decade ago.
(https://i.imgur.com/9qSPQLI.jpg)
Pliers - incredibly stiff to open, so much so that working with them now is a pain in the ass - Yeah ok, it's no biggie if it'll loosen up with time (or even after degrease/regrease routine) but is this normal?
Can opener & bit driver - so loose, they're flapping around whenever you open the tool - I've tried making the screws tight as I dare with my nails, but they only stay put for a short period - Loctite would be the answer, but should this be needed on a brand new tool!?
Main Blade - incredibly tight to deploy that it needs two hands to open comfortably, or isVERY uncomfortable to the opening thumb. The serrated blade is buttery smooth to open, so I guess the screw on the main blade side was over-torqued at the factory :twak:
File - is DULL (Compared to Victorinox) ..this thing wouldn't scare the edges off wood, let alone metal! Is this common for the new Leatherman tools?
On a happier note, the new sheath is REALLY nice, the big opening buckle is rock solid opening and closing, and my bit extender and micro torch are nicely secured due to the nylon being wide enough to cover the opposite side of the opening, preventing lateral fall-through :cheers:
(https://i.imgur.com/8Do1IS9.jpg)
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Welcome :drool: :drool: :drool: :gimme:
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The pliers are sometimes stiff to begin with but should loosen with use. The file should absolutely not be dull and the tools shouldn't be loose enough to flop open.
If it was me I would try tightening the loose tools up but the dull file would be a no go and I would return it for a replacement.
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If you want to tight the loose tools you will probably need a set of loki- mobile wrenches, because using needle nose pliers will ruin the nice black oxide finish. I'm not sure why LM uses those knurled head pivot screws instead the 6 point star? Maybe something to do with the aluminum scales? :think:
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If you want to tight the loose tools you will probably need a set of loki- mobile wrenches, because using needle nose pliers will ruin the nice black oxide finish. I'm not sure why LM uses those knurled head pivot screws instead the 6 point star? Maybe something to do with the aluminum scales? :think:
Wow, thanks for the great tips, I've dropped loki a PM
The pliers are sometimes stiff to begin with but should loosen with use. The file should absolutely not be dull and the tools shouldn't be loose enough to flop open.
If it was me I would try tightening the loose tools up but the dull file would be a no go and I would return it for a replacement.
Well calling them dull may be a *slight* exaggeration, but as I said, compared to Victorinox's, which I would call fairly aggressive, the LM is dull in comparison.
Welcome :drool: :drool: :drool: :gimme:
Thanks, it's great to be here :cheers:
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If you want to tight the loose tools you will probably need a set of loki- mobile wrenches, because using needle nose pliers will ruin the nice black oxide finish. I'm not sure why LM uses those knurled head pivot screws instead the 6 point star? Maybe something to do with the aluminum scales? :think:
Wow, thanks for the great tips, I've dropped loki a PM
The pliers are sometimes stiff to begin with but should loosen with use. The file should absolutely not be dull and the tools shouldn't be loose enough to flop open.
If it was me I would try tightening the loose tools up but the dull file would be a no go and I would return it for a replacement.
Well calling them dull may be a *slight* exaggeration, but as I said, compared to Victorinox's, which I would call fairly aggressive, the LM is dull in comparison.
Welcome :drool: :drool: :drool: :gimme:
Thanks, it's great to be here :cheers:
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :drink:
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Hope you get the problems sorted without having to return it or send it in :salute: I think I only have one newer tool ( my New Surge from 2017) and it didn't have many or any issue :salute: Sorry to hear about the QC not being up to snuff :facepalm:
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Hope you get the problems sorted without having to return it or send it in :salute: I think I only have one newer tool ( my New Surge from 2017) and it didn't have many or any issue :salute: Sorry to hear about the QC not being up to snuff :facepalm:
Yeah thanks - I've have a couple of nights to sleep on it and I think I'm going to send it in for rework - I think it's only fair to give LM a chance to correct it.
I'm wondering whether the reason the 'plus' models aren't yet available from the German channels is due to tougher local QC standards *shrugs*
I had a chance to test out the bit driver today, putting up some flat-pack furni
Switching between flat-head and pozi is a dream :D
If I can get past all the QC hiccups, I could see this being my favourite tool!
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Welcome ;) and sorry to hear you are disappointed.
the tool should wear and give with use,
but the loose tools are annoying and I've had that happen twice :P
maybe (just a thought ???) if you are not used to LM Diamond files the file might seem dull, especially compared to that of Victorinox, because at the touch is noticeably smoother and doesn't grab things or bite into them like Vic's, even though it's harder because of the diamond? :think:
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Welcome ;) and sorry to hear you are disappointed.
the tool should wear and give with use,
but the loose tools are annoying and I've had that happen twice :P
maybe (just a thought ???) if you are not used to LM Diamond files the file might seem dull, especially compared to that of Victorinox, because at the touch is noticeably smoother and doesn't grab things or bite into them like Vic's, even though it's harder because of the diamond? :think:
Yeah, I was referring to the bite of the wood/metal side, not diamond coated (which seems very nice/fine)
I tried the wood/metal side today on an off-cut of wood and it works, but needs quite lot of pressure.
I guess it could just be Leathermans cutting profile that I'm not used to
The file isn't a deal-breaker, just a little disappointing on top of my other QC issues..
Thanks for the welcome :cheers:
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Perhaps compare your file with those on other Leathermans at your nearest store? Then you will know if you got a bad one or if it's just Leatherman's files you aren't used to.
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I saw a video on youtube and it said only for sale in the US, is the + tools not coming to Europe?
They are already here mate :D.
(https://i.imgur.com/6oH3OTe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vHUJGIn.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MXYxIFb.jpg)
Omg! Is there any place that ships to Sweden that got them??? :gimme:
You can go to LINK REMOVED. Ships worldwide.
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You can go to LINK REMOVED. Ships worldwide.
Don't post your shop details/info again. If you want to advertise, contact Grant and go from there.
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It's kind of a bummer to hear these QC issues. I was considering ordering a Wave+ as a slightly more pocket-friendly option for days where I don't have tons planned to warrant carrying my Surge. However, if there are issues with brand new tools like this, maybe I'll hold off. Maybe I'll just pick up a regular Wave instead. :-\
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I got my Wave+ today and I'm pleased to say I have no QC issues with my tool. Actually I don't normally have issues with Leatherman tools. Only one I have ever had with a problem is my OHT, teeth don't line up but it's ok. Still functions fine but seems to be a common issue with that specific tool.
Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk
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I got my Wave+ today and I'm pleased to say I have no QC issues with my tool. Actually I don't normally have issues with Leatherman tools. Only one I have ever had with a problem is my OHT, teeth don't line up but it's ok. Still functions fine but seems to be a common issue with that specific tool.
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Glad you have good luck with yours! I just found a lightly used Wave on that big auction site for a great price. The plan is to play around with a few mods, so once I install Rebar pliers I’ll end up with a Wave+ after all :D
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Perhaps compare your file with those on other Leathermans at your nearest store? Then you will know if you got a bad one or if it's just Leatherman's files you aren't used to.
Yes, I did this, and checked out a non-plus Charge - in comparison mine felt marginally smoother than the one in the store, but yeah you're right, it seems my expectation of the amount of bite was off..
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My Charge+ just came back from its vacation in Solingen. After cleaning up the excess oil (which kinda smells of aniseed) I have given it a quick once-over and wanted to report back
Generally all tools are much easier to open, and before you continue reading the rest of this post, I want to clarify I am happy! :cheers:
(https://i.imgur.com/JzAYFRR.jpg)
Pliers much smoother to open/close
Can opener & bit driver no longer flapping around and retaining nicely, but the screw (nearest the gap for the clip mount) is still loose ..is this inherent in the design, or could/should it be loctite'd?
Main blade now deploys buttery smooth - even smoother than serrated blade, but (if I'm being critical) slight lateral play when open :think:
What's disappointing (again, being critical) is the File behind the main blade now rubs against the scale when opening/closing.
Certainly no deal-breaker, but it grinds my gears (and scales!) to hear it.. :doh:
I'm wondering whether I should try bending it to create some clearance
File same as before, but as I said in the post above, it seems my expectations were off..
Like I say, nothing is a deal-breaker, I am, by and large, a happy Charge owner once again. It's really great tool-set :multi:
If I compare it to my various Vic's (58's through 130's) and a PST from back in the day, the tolerances of the charge plus cannot be compared.
..but to quote Tony Soprano: "Whadd’ya gonna do?" :shrug:
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Yes loctite anything that's loose.
Tighten screw to reduce blade play and possibly the file rub.
Don't try to bend the file, it will most likely snap.
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Yes loctite anything that's loose.
Tighten screw to reduce blade play and possibly the file rub.
Don't try to bend the file, it will most likely snap.
Thanks for the quick feedback and tips Zoidberg - appreciated :tu:
Do I need the keys which Loki-mobile used to sell? (he's not responded to my DM and from another thread appears to no longer have them)
I read elsewhere that two sets of pliers also works. but I'm still a little cautious of stripping the coating on the Alu scales..
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I've used blunt nosed pliers before, others have gone with vampire pliers etc.
A bit of sellotape should protect the scales if you're worried.
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I think someone ground a groove in plier jaws to make dedicated pivot removing pliers. :think:
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So, does anyone have a Wave or Charge Plus? Any thoughts on them?
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I've got a wave plus but hadn't used it a whole lot yet. Quality control is excellent and everything works as expected. Hadn't put the pliers or cutters through any stress to test the new head but it's on my list.
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So, does anyone have a Wave or Charge Plus? Any thoughts on them?
I got a Wave+ the other day and had to exchange it for another. The first one had substainal blade play on the saw, file, serrated blade. The second one was better but the file still has some up and down play. This was the first time I have ever had to return a Leatherman.
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Got the Charge + and am I glad I did!
I liked my older Wave but the Charge + just feels better. From blade deployment to hand feel, it is my favorite MT to date!
The slipperiness of the Wave was my biggest complaint. The Charge + is worth every penny.
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Signal Plus coming out before Wave plus and Charge Plus :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Do the new sheaths fit two bit kit holders?
I've put a Charge AL in the old nylon sheath and with two bit kit holders the velcro flap engages at 50%.
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Great to see you Prime :waving: sorry to hear about he QC problems :-\
and welcome to :MTO: Wpgwave :cheers:
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Do the new sheaths fit two bit kit holders?
I've put a Charge AL in the old nylon sheath and with two bit kit holders the velcro flap engages at 50%.
I'd be keen to hear on this as well :cheers:
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The two bit kit holders and the new Wave fit perfect but tight in the new nylon sheath but the sheath may loosen up with use. I also tried the Charge TTI and ALX and they do fit together with the two bit holders but the flap won't reach all the way down to lock it.
However, the sheath can be soaked in warm water for about 15 minutes to make it softer, put the Charge and bit kit inside, close the flap completely and let it dry. The sheath will form to the shape of the Charge making it easier to close and lock it in place. Well, that's only if you really want to carry the Charge and bit kit holder and don't mind getting them a little damp :whistle:
(https://imageshack.com/a/img922/4084/64XY25.jpg)
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Great to see you Prime :waving: sorry to hear about he QC problems :-\
Thanks Poncho. :tu:
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Thanks for the input Justin :salute: :like:
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Is it only me or is Charge now a Wave with a plastic scale and a hook?.. I mean, why not kill off one of these two model names and make it a variant of the other? Do these two have to co-exist in the same universe? Why? :think: :think: :think:
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Is it only me or is Charge now a Wave with a plastic scale and a hook?.. I mean, why not kill off one of these two model names and make it a variant of the other? Do these two have to co-exist in the same universe? Why? :think: :think: :think:
The scales on the Charge Plus are aluminum. Other than that, yes, it's a Wave with a hook blade.
Before, the Charge AL was just a Wave with aluminum scales.
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The Charge has different steel for the plain edge blade: 154CM on the Charge +, S30V on the Charge + TTi.
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It would be nice to have the serrated blade be 154CM too.
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The two bit kit holders and the new Wave fit perfect but tight in the new nylon sheath but the sheath may loosen up with use. I also tried the Charge TTI and ALX and they do fit together with the two bit holders but the flap won't reach all the way down to lock it.
However, the sheath can be soaked in warm water for about 15 minutes to make it softer, put the Charge and bit kit inside, close the flap completely and let it dry. The sheath will form to the shape of the Charge making it easier to close and lock it in place. Well, that's only if you really want to carry the Charge and bit kit holder and don't mind getting them a little damp :whistle:
(https://imageshack.com/a/img922/4084/64XY25.jpg)
Thanks! :cheers:
Do they make these new sheaths for the ST300 and Surge? Might be a better option for the Charge and two bit kit holders.
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The two bit kit holders and the new Wave fit perfect but tight in the new nylon sheath but the sheath may loosen up with use. I also tried the Charge TTI and ALX and they do fit together with the two bit holders but the flap won't reach all the way down to lock it.
However, the sheath can be soaked in warm water for about 15 minutes to make it softer, put the Charge and bit kit inside, close the flap completely and let it dry. The sheath will form to the shape of the Charge making it easier to close and lock it in place. Well, that's only if you really want to carry the Charge and bit kit holder and don't mind getting them a little damp :whistle:
(https://imageshack.com/a/img922/4084/64XY25.jpg)
Thanks! :cheers:
Do they make these new sheaths for the ST300 and Surge? Might be a better option for the Charge and two bit kit holders.
Yes, they do make same sheath for the Surge and ST300, I assume the Charge and the two bit kit will fit better but can not tell you for sure.
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Any further feedback on the Wave/Charge Plus models? I'm still itching to get my hands on a BO Wave + and I need you lot to tell me it's rubbish before I spend all my money. :facepalm:
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Any further feedback on the Wave/Charge Plus models? I'm still itching to get my hands on a BO Wave + and I need you lot to tell me it's rubbish before I spend all my money. :facepalm:
I mean I can’t tell you it’s a waste of money if that’s what you need to hear but I don’t have one. :D
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haven't seen it but I think PreparedMind101 did a video on it this week :think:
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Any further feedback on the Wave/Charge Plus models? I'm still itching to get my hands on a BO Wave + and I need you lot to tell me it's rubbish before I spend all my money. :facepalm:
Yeah nar mate, it's rubbish, go for the REI Topo Signal.
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haven't seen it but I think PreparedMind101 did a video on it this week :think:
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Yeah nar mate, it's rubbish, go for the REI Topo Signal.
That looks mint. I want a file, but I'd love the hammer too. :-\
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Yeah nar mate, it's rubbish, go for the REI Topo Signal.
That looks mint. I want a file, but I'd love the hammer too. :-\
Do you need the saw? Swap it out for the file or just carry it with.
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Don't need the saw - not often, anyway. Always fancied a Signal with PE blade + file. The Topo etch on the REI one is nice though, it'd be a shame to split it.
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: got this today wooooooooot on Ebay hahahaha :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: WAVE PLUS ??? ahhaha gonna be on ReBlaster X (+) :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: got this today wooooooooot on Ebay hahahaha :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: WAVE PLUS ??? ahhaha gonna be on ObiBlave or ReBlaster X Plus ..
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Cool! :tu:..I've seen those pliers head selling all over eBay for $35 so why not replace your good old Wave pliers with one of those instead of paying 80 bucks for the new version Wave?...Unless you want handles with the (+) symbol ::)
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: got this today wooooooooot on Ebay hahahaha :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: WAVE PLUS ??? ahhaha gonna be on ObiBlave or ReBlaster X Plus ..
Cool! :tu:..I've seen those pliers head selling all over eBay for $35 so why not replace your good old Wave pliers with one of those instead of paying 80 bucks for the new version Wave?...Unless you want handles with the (+) symbol ::)
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Loki-mobile will sell those soon. hahahaa Leatherman gonna be pissed lmao !! ..C'mon everybody! Get a Dremel and start making (+) :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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:multi: ReBlaster X (+) :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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I got a Wave+ with the Heritage deal. I must be lucky, as all the implements are issue-free. Even the file sits pretty center and does not rub the inner side of the handle at all. That begs a question, should I take the plier head of this new toy and swap with a Charge Ti one?
Also, my Wave+ has 6-digit date codes stamped on the inside. Is it to differentiate between plus and pre-plus for warranty purpose? ???
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I got a Wave+ with the Heritage deal. I must be lucky, as all the implements are issue-free. Even the file sits pretty center and does not rub the inner side of the handle at all. That begs a question, should I take the plier head of this new toy and swap with a Charge Ti one?
Also, my Wave+ has 6-digit date codes stamped on the inside. Is it to differentiate between plus and pre-plus for warranty purpose? ???
I would swap that pliers head to charge Ti :cheers:
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I just saw on the Leatherman website that you can now get the aluminum Charge Plus in Black Oxide.
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(https://www.leatherman.com/dw/image/v2/AAMV_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-master/default/dw424089c8/large/charge-plus-fanned-black.png?sw=1000&sh=1000&sm=fit)
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My local outdoors shop was running a sale--though not, perhaps, by US standards. If I subtract our 17% VAT and the 15-20% shipping and handling cost, the price was about $90. I am very happy with the new sheath, though one of the features of all these models with bit holders is, well, the bits, and the new sheath has no room for any. I wish they would stop with the elastic, as it is a wear-point, being distinctly less robust than cordura. But I can live with all that, and as said, I am very satisfied.
(https://i.imgur.com/E40bGNg.png)
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(https://www.leatherman.com/dw/image/v2/AAMV_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-master/default/dw424089c8/large/charge-plus-fanned-black.png?sw=1000&sh=1000&sm=fit)
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nice review and comparison from one of my favorite youtube channels :salute:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkSQPkidJOE&t=0s
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No one has mentioned that they changed the charge to just be a bigger wave. They have exactly the same tools now. This is pretty dumb
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No one has mentioned that they changed the charge to just be a bigger wave. They have exactly the same tools now. This is pretty dumb
Don't care that much about the Charge aluminum handles so, instead of making a new Charge, LM should have added the 154CM blade and the serrated w/hook to the Wave.
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(https://i.imgur.com/S2Kuqt2.png)
The oldest is a bit loose, as many of the first model became. But it works great.
The serrated blade has no jimping on the spine.
Buying once every decade isn't so extravagant, I don't think.
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I'm confused. Why are there a wave plus box with 17 functions and 18 others? :think: