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Title: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Swiss Guy on July 04, 2016, 11:33:44 PM
I just joined the forum today and I posted an introductory thread. I have read some of the responses to that thread and I feel very welcome already. However, I think that after writing this, I may just get banned.

First, I want to say that I think the Alox SAKs are gorgeous. I have an Alox Farmer, which sits in a drawer and it looks very good just sitting there in the drawer. The Alox scales are also a bit thinner than the Cellidor scaled SAKs but the difference is minimal.

The reason I only have one Alox SAK is because the Alox knives have far more limitations than benefits for me. <--- emphasis on "for me" because we all have our preferences.

The Alox knives are missing the back layer of tools. No parcel hook. No corkscrew/Phillips. No mini screwdriver, chisel... etc. Yes, there is an awl but there is that piece on top of the awl (to get it out of the SAK) that makes it seem more difficult to use as an awl. I realize that some of you love that the Alox knives do not have the parcel hook or corkscrew because those tools are sometimes seen as useless. However, I have found a use for those tools many times and I would not want to do away with them.

The Alox knives are missing the toothpick and tweezers. The toothpick is not used much but the tweezers get a fair amount of use. I am 43 years old and the tweezers keep me from looking like the hair on my head has migrated to my ears and nose. My girlfriend would mention that my eyebrows need some tweezer help as well.

There are no "Plus" Alox scales; no pen or pin available. I use the pen a lot and I would have to carry an extra pen with me if I did not have them in my SAK.

Once the Alox scales are beat up, that's it; you now have beat up scales. A little wear on Alox scales only enhances the beauty but I know some of us want to keep the pristine look of our user knives. With the normal Cellidor scales, when they get beat up, they are easily replaced. Not only can you replace them, you can change the color as well. Right now I have SAKs in Red, Cobalt, Hunter, White, Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, Black and StayGlow. If I get tired of one color, I can always switch it to another within a couple minutes.

I am not going to give up my Farmer but I will not purchase any more Alox SAKs. For those of you who love Alox, you can rest assured that you will not have to compete with me the next time you see an Alox SAK pop up on eBay.   :rofl:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: twiliter on July 04, 2016, 11:43:38 PM
The alox badges will be tough to get with this approach.  ;)
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: jerseydevil on July 04, 2016, 11:47:38 PM
The alox badges will be tough to get with this approach.  ;)

:D very true......
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: SAK Guy on July 04, 2016, 11:48:43 PM
The alox badges will be tough to get with this approach.  ;)

:D very true......

+2
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Swiss Guy on July 04, 2016, 11:49:56 PM
The alox badges will be tough to get with this approach.  ;)

 :rofl:

Very true! I hadn't thought about that! I may have to give that some more thought...   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: twiliter on July 04, 2016, 11:58:52 PM
The MTO enablers are here, watch out!

btw, your birth year SAK is also an alox model...  :D
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Swiss Guy on July 05, 2016, 12:03:55 AM
The MTO enablers are here, watch out!

btw, your birth year SAK is also an alox model...  :D

I see what you are doing here! And it won't work! I will not buy any more... Hmm... I've actually been looking for my birth year SAK.  ???
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Aloha on July 05, 2016, 12:08:10 AM
They also come in terrific colors the GF might enjoy  :pok:

Cadet is a pretty terrific SAK tho larger than her Manager but with fun colors.  She might want to match her SAK to her outfit  :whistle:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: sLaughterMed on July 05, 2016, 12:13:26 AM
I'm actually in the same boat as you Swiss Guy, I prefer the 91mm cellidor line over the 93mm alox. I personally love my toothpicks, and my tweezers, and frankly, I love my corkscrews too. I don't have much love for the hook, but the cellidor line is just so much more versitile than the alox line. I love the 91mm file, and the CyberTool layer is just to die for :drool:.

However, you have got to change your tune on the 93mm awl. It is easily my favorite tool in Victorinox's lineup, and the "lip" does not get in the way at all. It is an incredibly well designed tool, and is wicked sharp. I love is so much I modded it into a 91mm build I made, the Hungry Ranger:
(http://i.imgur.com/2RwwwZT.jpg)
(fun fact, this is the third time today i've had the opportunity to show this picture off, after a pretty long dry spell. Life's funny like that)
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: jerseydevil on July 05, 2016, 12:14:05 AM
The MTO enablers are here, watch out!

btw, your birth year SAK is also an alox model...  :D

I see what you are doing here! And it won't work! I will not buy any more... Hmm... I've actually been looking for my birth year SAK.  ???

>:D I was looking for one for years, and suddenly ended up with two in the past two weeks! :o 79 Soldat and a 79 Pioneer. You know you want one..... :pok:
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/P6250859_zpsttq1zcf4.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/P6250859_zpsttq1zcf4.jpg.html)
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/20160704_132419_zps45drircq.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/20160704_132419_zps45drircq.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: cali-SAK-attack on July 05, 2016, 12:14:37 AM
I just joined the forum today and I posted an introductory thread. I have read some of the responses to that thread and I feel very welcome already. However, I think that after writing this, I may just get banned.

First, I want to say that I think the Alox SAKs are gorgeous. I have an Alox Farmer, which sits in a drawer and it looks very good just sitting there in the drawer. The Alox scales are also a bit thinner than the Cellidor scaled SAKs but the difference is minimal.

The reason I only have one Alox SAK is because the Alox knives have far more limitations than benefits for me. <--- emphasis on "for me" because we all have our preferences.

The Alox knives are missing the back layer of tools. No parcel hook. No corkscrew/Phillips. No mini screwdriver, chisel... etc. Yes, there is an awl but there is that piece on top of the awl (to get it out of the SAK) that makes it seem more difficult to use as an awl. I realize that some of you love that the Alox knives do not have the parcel hook or corkscrew because those tools are sometimes seen as useless. However, I have found a use for those tools many times and I would not want to do away with them.

The Alox knives are missing the toothpick and tweezers. The toothpick is not used much but the tweezers get a fair amount of use. I am 43 years old and the tweezers keep me from looking like the hair on my head has migrated to my ears and nose. My girlfriend would mention that my eyebrows need some tweezer help as well.

There are no "Plus" Alox scales; no pen or pin available. I use the pen a lot and I would have to carry an extra pen with me if I did not have them in my SAK.

Once the Alox scales are beat up, that's it; you now have beat up scales. A little wear on Alox scales only enhances the beauty but I know some of us want to keep the pristine look of our user knives. With the normal Cellidor scales, when they get beat up, they are easily replaced. Not only can you replace them, you can change the color as well. Right now I have SAKs in Red, Cobalt, Hunter, White, Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, Black and StayGlow. If I get tired of one color, I can always switch it to another within a couple minutes.

I am not going to give up my Farmer but I will not purchase any more Alox SAKs. For those of you who love Alox, you can rest assured that you will not have to compete with me the next time you see an Alox SAK pop up on eBay.   :rofl:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Thunderpants on July 05, 2016, 12:26:36 AM
I agree pretty much with Swiss Guy.

Except I would sooner slice off a fingertip and write with my own oozing blood than use one of those awful Victorinox biros.
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Grass on July 05, 2016, 12:28:07 AM
There's got to be a solution to the toothpick /tweezers/pen issue for alox. It's the main thing holding me back from more permanent alox carry.

Can we fix it?
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Monrogue on July 05, 2016, 12:30:46 AM
Your points are valid, and I used to think the same way.  To remedy this, I carry a Swisscard which has all the scale tools, plus more.  No replacement for the hook, mini driver or corkscrew though, but I rarely use them.  However, this does add an extra item to the pocket, so that can be a downside.
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Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: theonew on July 05, 2016, 12:43:46 AM
I agree and also only have one alox SAK, a farmer.  While I have carried and used the farmer extensively on hikes and camping trips, it rarely sees pocket time anymore and has largely been replaced in that capacity by the LM KF4. If I think I'll require a blade that is more heavy duty than the one on a 91mm SAK I'll carry a fixed blade knife. Toothpick, tweezers, pen, pin and mini-screwdriver are way more important to me. 
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: jerseydevil on July 05, 2016, 12:44:14 AM
Your points are valid, and I used to think the same way.  To remedy this, I carry a Swisscard which has all the scale tools, plus more.  No replacement for the hook, mini driver or corkscrew though, but I rarely use them.  However, this does add an extra item to the pocket, so that can be a downside.
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I just keep mine in my wallet, and have had no problems with it. :tu:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: ColoSwiss on July 05, 2016, 12:51:10 AM
Hi Swiss guy,

Welcome aboard!   :cheers:

Agree with you about alox as a carry knife. My EDC is a Wenger Traveler.

However alox sure is pretty. (enablers r us   :D  )

Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Monrogue on July 05, 2016, 12:59:38 AM
Your points are valid, and I used to think the same way.  To remedy this, I carry a Swisscard which has all the scale tools, plus more.  No replacement for the hook, mini driver or corkscrew though, but I rarely use them.  However, this does add an extra item to the pocket, so that can be a downside.
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I just keep mine in my wallet, and have had no problems with it. :tu:
I worry it will break eventually.  My debit card gets a crack over time.  I know the Swisscard is more solid, but I still worry. 

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Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Swiss Guy on July 05, 2016, 01:29:10 AM
>:D I was looking for one for years, and suddenly ended up with two in the past two weeks! :o 79 Soldat and a 79 Pioneer. You know you want one..... :pok:
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/P6250859_zpsttq1zcf4.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/P6250859_zpsttq1zcf4.jpg.html)
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/20160704_132419_zps45drircq.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/20160704_132419_zps45drircq.jpg.html)

I checked out eBay and found my birth year Soldier ('73). It is currently on my watch list.  :cheers:

Hi Swiss guy,

Welcome aboard!   :cheers:

Agree with you about alox as a carry knife. My EDC is a Wenger Traveler.

However alox sure is pretty. (enablers r us   :D  )

Agreed. I love those Alox scales. If they had they held the other tools, I would carry the Alox SAKs without reservation. I am currently looking to get some Plus scales in titanium but I don't want to pay more for the scales than I paid for the SAK.  :(
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: SAK Guy on July 05, 2016, 02:11:18 AM
Pack ALOX, and you'll need a Wenger Clipper (toothpick/tweezers) and one of these.....  :D

(http://davesknifeworld.com/productimages/s/sP100.jpg)




I have one in green.....(part of a mail call last Nov.)
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Crocker on July 05, 2016, 03:11:20 AM
Haven't seen my Alox in a long time. No pocket clip, and I can't open it one handed, so no matter how good it is otherwise, it isn't practical for me.
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: holygoat on July 05, 2016, 03:29:25 AM
I worry it will break eventually.  My debit card gets a crack over time.  I know the Swisscard is more solid, but I still worry. 

Your fears are not misplaced: when I used to carry them, fifteen or more years ago, I cracked two SwissCards. It takes a little while, but they split down the middle if you ever sit on them in your wallet.
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Monrogue on July 05, 2016, 03:37:17 AM
I worry it will break eventually.  My debit card gets a crack over time.  I know the Swisscard is more solid, but I still worry. 

Your fears are not misplaced: when I used to carry them, fifteen or more years ago, I cracked two SwissCards. It takes a little while, but they split down the middle if you ever sit on them in your wallet.
Yeah, my wallet is in my back pocket, so it feels the brunt of my weight most of each work day.  I have an office job, so I sit the majority of my day.

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Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: jerseydevil on July 05, 2016, 03:44:46 AM
Mine has held up, but honestly I usually have a Rambler or Minichamp on my keys to cover scissors duty. :)
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 05, 2016, 05:16:51 AM
I think I agree with most points raised. Much like the Farmer's awl, you have a point.
Still, it's all about combinations, since the perfect SAK does not exist.

I've got a proper pair of tweezers in my wallet, that no MT tweezers will replace.

I've got a Micra and Signature on my keys, so there's extra little blades, two pairs of scissors, pen, two nail files, and some flatheads.
The Micra might go, since the Signature handles most tasks.

So when I'm carrying my Farmer, I'm pretty covered. Granted, no hook, no real philips, no toothpick, but then again, the hook doesn't get much use, I'd rather have the pen instead of the pick, and the can opener fits philips screws.

Plus, I have the best awl in the hole world.  :cheers:
And a nice, fit, shiny package in my pocket.

I'll be honest, I like the alox look better. Cellidor is fragile, and the gaps for the scale tools take away some of the beauty. Unless it is the pen, which I do not mind. Beat up alox looks much better than beat up, or in fact new, cellidor.

I still might carry my Fieldmaster, which I love, or my Rebar, if I'm going further than just down the road.
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Huntsman on July 05, 2016, 05:34:02 AM
I won't ban you Swiss Guy - as I agree with you completely and for the same reasons :tu:
Although I am with sLaughterMed on the awl.

However I also agree with pretty much all the other comments here.  ???
And the alox knives are sooooo good looking - pristine or beaten up.

And I so want to carry one - But don't for Swiss Guy's reasons - My key scale tool is the toothpick.
I guess a cadet for a slim/dress carry could happen - But then I'd miss the scissors (and tp) too much
 - So slim carry - I am better off with a Classic or a Rambler !!   :D

Oh - And most importanntly - Welcome to the forum  :cheers:
And no-one gets banned for an opinion here - And we often don't agree with each other and/or have heated debates!!
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: FA Tre on July 05, 2016, 06:05:08 AM
I agree and also only have one alox SAK, a farmer.  While I have carried and used the farmer extensively on hikes and camping trips, it rarely sees pocket time anymore and has largely been replaced in that capacity by the LM KF4. If I think I'll require a blade that is more heavy duty than the one on a 91mm SAK I'll carry a fixed blade knife. Toothpick, tweezers, pen, pin and mini-screwdriver are way more important to me.
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 05, 2016, 10:31:27 AM
My key scale tool is the toothpick.

 :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: glenfiddich1983 on July 05, 2016, 10:52:02 AM

(..) My debit card gets a crack over time.  (..)


Mine too, probably because of buying too much Swiss Army Knives  >:D
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: firiki on July 05, 2016, 12:25:26 PM
No cellidor SAK will ever have the charm of a Pioneer Rancher!
 
:whistle:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: firiki on July 05, 2016, 12:30:31 PM
Welcome to the forums, Swiss Guy :cheers:

I hear your thoughts on alox SAKs. Personally, I've resorted to EDCing a Pioneer and alox Rambler in my pocket and a Vic Handyman (with nylon scales, so no pen nor pin) in my bag, where I also carry pens and some pins. ;)

I'll throw a Huntsman or Climber, always with nylon scales, in my pocket if I want to go light, or simply carry just one SAK like normal people do :D
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: glenfiddich1983 on July 05, 2016, 12:30:36 PM
No cellidor SAK will ever have the charm of a Pioneer Rancher!
 
:whistle:

Agree!  :salute:

I'm also a big Rancher fan  :cheers:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: firiki on July 05, 2016, 02:24:43 PM
No cellidor SAK will ever have the charm of a Pioneer Rancher!
 
:whistle:

Agree!  :salute:

I'm also a big Rancher fan  :cheers:

 :climber:   :cheers:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Monrogue on July 05, 2016, 04:14:47 PM

(..) My debit card gets a crack over time.  (..)


Mine too, probably because of buying too much Swiss Army Knives  >:D


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Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 05, 2016, 05:55:58 PM
Where is the ban button?

Robert can make you a alox or ti SAK with almost everything you are lacking.

Just saying.
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Etherealicer on July 05, 2016, 06:19:50 PM
 :waving: Welcome

Once the Alox scales are beat up, that's it; you now have beat up scales. A little wear on Alox scales only enhances the beauty but I know some of us want to keep the pristine look of our user knives. With the normal Cellidor scales, when they get beat up, they are easily replaced. Not only can you replace them, you can change the color as well. Right now I have SAKs in Red, Cobalt, Hunter, White, Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, Black and StayGlow. If I get tired of one color, I can always switch it to another within a couple minutes.
As one of the guys who likes his SAKs pristine I can only say Alox wears a lot slower than Cellidor.
But I'm digging my lime green CyberTool :drool:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Simplon on July 05, 2016, 08:16:50 PM
I only have one Alox knife an 85 Soldier which I have owned for the last 31 years. It's still in perfect condition. :climber:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Mr. Whippy on July 05, 2016, 08:39:56 PM
Your points are valid, and I used to think the same way.  To remedy this, I carry a Swisscard which has all the scale tools, plus more.  No replacement for the hook, mini driver or corkscrew though, but I rarely use them.  However, this does add an extra item to the pocket, so that can be a downside.
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Holy Crap!

I've been carrying a CT-41 with timekeeper scales for years at work.  This might be the solution I need to swap it out for a Farmer (and Swisscard).  Gotta think about this one... :think:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Monrogue on July 05, 2016, 08:43:48 PM
Your points are valid, and I used to think the same way.  To remedy this, I carry a Swisscard which has all the scale tools, plus more.  No replacement for the hook, mini driver or corkscrew though, but I rarely use them.  However, this does add an extra item to the pocket, so that can be a downside.
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Holy Crap!

I've been carrying a CT-41 with timekeeper scales for years at work.  This might be the solution I need to swap it out for a Farmer (and Swisscard).  Gotta think about this one... :think:
They're a handy little item really :tu:

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Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: twiliter on July 06, 2016, 01:58:07 AM
Your points are valid, and I used to think the same way.  To remedy this, I carry a Swisscard which has all the scale tools, plus more.  No replacement for the hook, mini driver or corkscrew though, but I rarely use them.  However, this does add an extra item to the pocket, so that can be a downside.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160704/83cab40abb0ed3c712922457ddbce999.jpg)

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Holy Crap!

I've been carrying a CT-41 with timekeeper scales for years at work.  This might be the solution I need to swap it out for a Farmer (and Swisscard).  Gotta think about this one... :think:
They're a handy little item really :tu:

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I liked the SwissCard idea too, so I got a nailcare version for security areas, then the glass file broke in half while it was in my wallet and I couldn't retrieve the broken part inside.  :ahhh

I'm sure the other half is still in there somewhere, deep in the landfill.  :-\

My eco Climber doesn't have scale tools either, which is why it's my favorite one I think, so smooth like a river stone.  :)

Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Diver on July 06, 2016, 02:36:34 AM
I have a Classic SD on my keyring, so that provides the toothpick and tweezers.  I use them often.  However, with those covered, I don't see a need for them on a 91-93mm knife.  That's just me.
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: jerseydevil on July 06, 2016, 02:48:34 AM
Where is the ban button?


Trust me, the button is armed and ready. I'm just making a list of everyone who agrees with the OP before putting it to use...... :ashley:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Monrogue on July 06, 2016, 02:54:08 AM
Your points are valid, and I used to think the same way.  To remedy this, I carry a Swisscard which has all the scale tools, plus more.  No replacement for the hook, mini driver or corkscrew though, but I rarely use them.  However, this does add an extra item to the pocket, so that can be a downside.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160704/83cab40abb0ed3c712922457ddbce999.jpg)

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Holy Crap!

I've been carrying a CT-41 with timekeeper scales for years at work.  This might be the solution I need to swap it out for a Farmer (and Swisscard).  Gotta think about this one... :think:
They're a handy little item really :tu:

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I liked the SwissCard idea too, so I got a nailcare version for security areas, then the glass file broke in half while it was in my wallet and I couldn't retrieve the broken part inside.  :ahhh

I'm sure the other half is still in there somewhere, deep in the landfill.  :-\

My eco Climber doesn't have scale tools either, which is why it's my favorite one I think, so smooth like a river stone.  :)
Yeah, the body of it, as well as the file and mag glass are what worry me.

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Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: SAK Guy on July 06, 2016, 03:08:12 AM
Where is the ban button?


Trust me, the button is armed and ready. I'm just making a list of everyone who agrees with the OP before putting it to use...... :ashley:

 :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: strmliner on July 06, 2016, 03:37:11 AM
I agree pretty much with Swiss Guy.

Except I would sooner slice off a fingertip and write with my own oozing blood than use one of those awful Victorinox biros.


 :rofl:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: strmliner on July 06, 2016, 03:43:53 AM
While I have quite a few Alox SAKs (even have an Alox badge), I kind of agree that for daily carry, I prefer SAKs with T&T and some of the backside tools (though never the worthless parcel hook!).

The Cadets and Pioneers get some pocket time on occasion given the circumstances, I generally carry Golfers or modded Compacts.  :tool:


Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: ColoSwiss on July 06, 2016, 06:24:54 AM
Where is the ban button?


Trust me, the button is armed and ready. I'm just making a list of everyone who agrees with the OP before putting it to use...... :ashley:

Looks like someone with the initials JD is going to get eliminated from the ANL giveaway. Tsk, tsk.   :whistle:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Steinar on July 06, 2016, 11:20:18 AM
The Cellidor SAKs are more comfortable in my hand. The way the tools protrude on alox SAKs does sometimes lead to a uncomfortable grip, especially the way the edge (excellent) awl can push into the little finger when using the large blade in a “hammer grip” or similar. On keyring models, the way a lot of people grind it off is quite telling about how comfortable that is. On models with the saw, the saw is mounted in such a manner that it can bite into the hand when using other tools. I find several Cellidor SAKs less than optimal in my hand, e.g. the most loved Climber is not my best friend, but there are so many different Cellidor SAKs that it doesn't matter much. (Note: I'm talking about relative comfort, not whether the knives are usable.)

I love the alox SAKs, and my opinion here is “Why not both?” as usual, but most of the knives in my EDC rotation are Cellidor, and that's not only because of the wider selection of Cellidor SAKs. I'd love for Vic to start looking into a stronger, more chemical resistant plastic for the handles.
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Brock O Lee on July 06, 2016, 01:10:22 PM
What blasphemy is this?  :twak:

Cellidor better than alox?  :ahhh

Oh well, more alox for me then (with a Rambler on the keys!)...  :tu:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Swiss Guy on July 07, 2016, 01:44:19 AM
Although I am not a fan of the Alox SAKs (for reasons posted above), I just ordered a black Cadet because I think it will complement my Swiss Champ, which I carry daily. I have filed my nails with the Swiss Champ file but it is a bit too aggressive. The Cadet's file should be a better choice. The Cadet is very thin so I shouldn't even notice it in my pocket. Sure, I could just throw my Rambler or Manager in my pocket, but then I wouldn't have an excuse to buy a new SAK. Who knows, maybe it will make me an Alox convert.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 07, 2016, 03:04:42 AM
Where is the ban button?


Trust me, the button is armed and ready. I'm just making a list of everyone who agrees with the OP before putting it to use...... :ashley:

Devious, I am impressed Sir.
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: zoidberg on July 07, 2016, 05:54:50 AM
Where is the ban button?


Trust me, the button is armed and ready. I'm just making a list of everyone who agrees with the OP before putting it to use...... :ashley:

Looks like someone with the initials JD is going to get eliminated from the ANL giveaway. Tsk, tsk.   :whistle:

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: firiki on July 07, 2016, 11:33:41 AM
The Cellidor SAKs are more comfortable in my hand. The way the tools protrude on alox SAKs does sometimes lead to a uncomfortable grip, especially the way the edge (excellent) awl can push into the little finger when using the large blade in a “hammer grip” or similar. On keyring models, the way a lot of people grind it off is quite telling about how comfortable that is. On models with the saw, the saw is mounted in such a manner that it can bite into the hand when using other tools. I find several Cellidor SAKs less than optimal in my hand, e.g. the most loved Climber is not my best friend, but there are so many different Cellidor SAKs that it doesn't matter much. (Note: I'm talking about relative comfort, not whether the knives are usable.)

I love the alox SAKs, and my opinion here is “Why not both?” as usual, but most of the knives in my EDC rotation are Cellidor, and that's not only because of the wider selection of Cellidor SAKs. I'd love for Vic to start looking into a stronger, more chemical resistant plastic for the handles.

Nylon scales fare better as far as resistance to chemicals is concerned.  ;) I wish Victorinox made these scales readily available even as an after sales accessory. Other options would probably be nice too. Cellidor feels good and warm/natural in the hand but it's fragile and no good with sweaty hands, but I'm sure there are several reasons Victorinox still uses this stuff.

I agree with most of your observations on alox models having hotspots, except the part about the awl -it has never bothered me in the least.

I find that extending the bottle opener helps ignore the nuisance caused by the keyring as it provides a longer handle for your hand to manipulate, thus taking some stress off the keyring. Folding the keyring over the backsprings further helps in this direction, as does a thick lanyard.

I prefer two-layer alox models, notably the Pioneer and the Rancher, as I don't like the way the knife blade feels shorter due to the SAKs girth on 3-layer models. As for the saw on 3-layer models, I agree it can be unconfortable and I've even sliced my thumb open on one and it took me hours to figure out where/how did that happen. There are two good reasons for mounting them this way, though: a) by extending the bottle opener you get a longer, more confortable handle and better leverage and b) the saw's spine prevents your thumb/finger from pressing the knife blade down against the backsprings as you're prone to do while using the screwdriver/prytool or the awl.

I really like the keyring's position and implementation on the backspring on 91mm models. It isn't annoying and it can be helpful when using the pry tool.

Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: firiki on July 07, 2016, 11:39:00 AM
Just adding two things I like about alox models, they are rugged and they have an old-school simplicity I appreciate greatly.
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: twiliter on July 07, 2016, 12:37:43 PM
Just adding two things I like about alox models, they are rugged and they have an old-school simplicity I appreciate greatly.

+1 on these two, maybe the biggest factors for me.  :tu:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: magentus on July 07, 2016, 12:48:37 PM
Just adding two things I like about alox models, they are rugged and they have an old-school simplicity I appreciate greatly.

+1 on these two, maybe the biggest factors for me.  :tu:
Much as I hate agreeing with firiki (like a rabbit agreeing with the wolf), they are built well and without actually testing them, they are probably bombproof.

The only modification I'd like to see is across the board use of the hollow rivet - best of both worlds as it is comfortable to hold even with a bail, and you can leave it out if you're one of those oddballs who doesn't like a lanyard.  :D
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: twiliter on July 07, 2016, 12:49:50 PM
Just adding two things I like about alox models, they are rugged and they have an old-school simplicity I appreciate greatly.

+1 on these two, maybe the biggest factors for me.  :tu:
Much as I hate agreeing with firiki (like a rabbit agreeing with the wolf), they are built well and without actually testing them, they are probably bombproof.

The only modification I'd like to see is across the board use of the hollow rivet - best of both worlds as it is comfortable to hold even with a bail, and you can leave it out if you're one of those oddballs who doesn't like a lanyard.  :D

+1 Mags, oddball approved!  :tu:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: twiliter on July 07, 2016, 12:58:19 PM
The other nice thing is the size, the blade is just enough bigger to make it a regular KP tool rather than an occasional one. The bigger opener layer too, not sure if the SD has a higher rivet failure point when prying, but it sure feels like it can handle heavier tasks. Also levering it against alox is less destructive than the 91mm scale materials.
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: firiki on July 07, 2016, 01:01:17 PM
Just adding two things I like about alox models, they are rugged and they have an old-school simplicity I appreciate greatly.

+1 on these two, maybe the biggest factors for me.  :tu:
Much as I hate agreeing with firiki (like a rabbit agreeing with the wolf), they are built well and without actually testing them, they are probably bombproof.

The only modification I'd like to see is across the board use of the hollow rivet - best of both worlds as it is comfortable to hold even with a bail, and you can leave it out if you're one of those oddballs who doesn't like a lanyard.  :D

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/76/0d/1d/760d1db365e608e9f473f587b29d1966.jpg)

 ::)

As long as the hollow rivet is up to the task... I wonder why Victorinox stopped using those :think:

I like having a lanyard as well as the ability to quickly remove any protrusions from the SAK in a second. The only way to do this is through a hollow rivet.

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Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: firiki on July 07, 2016, 01:09:45 PM
The other nice thing is the size, the blade is just enough bigger to make it a regular KP tool rather than an occasional one. The bigger opener layer too, not sure if the SD has a higher rivet failure point when prying, but it sure feels like it can handle heavier tasks. Also levering it against alox is less destructive than the 91mm scale materials.

Uhh, what's a KP tool, please?

I'd say the thicker implements + thicker rivets + thicker scales on 93mm models probably means the can handle some bigger loads than their 91mm cousins though how much bigger I have no idea  :think:  :)
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: magentus on July 07, 2016, 01:15:39 PM
Just adding two things I like about alox models, they are rugged and they have an old-school simplicity I appreciate greatly.

+1 on these two, maybe the biggest factors for me.  :tu:
Much as I hate agreeing with firiki (like a rabbit agreeing with the wolf), they are built well and without actually testing them, they are probably bombproof.

The only modification I'd like to see is across the board use of the hollow rivet - best of both worlds as it is comfortable to hold even with a bail, and you can leave it out if you're one of those oddballs who doesn't like a lanyard.  :D

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/76/0d/1d/760d1db365e608e9f473f587b29d1966.jpg)

 ::)

As long as the hollow rivet is up to the task... I wonder why Victorinox stopped using those :think:

I like having a lanyard as well as the ability to quickly remove any protrusions from the SAK in a second. The only way to do this is through a hollow rivet.

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I am a moderator now firiki  >:D
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Brock O Lee on July 07, 2016, 01:31:25 PM
The only modification I'd like to see is across the board use of the hollow rivet - best of both worlds as it is comfortable to hold even with a bail, and you can leave it out if you're one of those oddballs who doesn't like a lanyard.  :D

I actually hated the bail with a vengeance on a previous Wenger SI. It is easy to accidentally close the main blade on the bail, which causes a nice big ding in the edge. I said bad words on more than a couple of occasions because of that freaking bail...
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: twiliter on July 07, 2016, 01:35:08 PM
The other nice thing is the size, the blade is just enough bigger to make it a regular KP tool rather than an occasional one. The bigger opener layer too, not sure if the SD has a higher rivet failure point when prying, but it sure feels like it can handle heavier tasks. Also levering it against alox is less destructive than the 91mm scale materials.

Uhh, what's a KP tool, please?

I'd say the thicker implements + thicker rivets + thicker scales on 93mm models probably means the can handle some bigger loads than their 91mm cousins though how much bigger I have no idea  :think:  :)


KP = kitchen patrol, or food prep.

I'm not testing the rivet theory to failure either, I like my SAKs too much to kill them.  ;) I think they gave up on the hollow rivets because the liner KR mount is easier to manufacture, but it could be something else entirely. Congrats on your Modhood Mags, I'll try to toe the line!  :ahhh
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: twiliter on July 07, 2016, 01:37:17 PM
The only modification I'd like to see is across the board use of the hollow rivet - best of both worlds as it is comfortable to hold even with a bail, and you can leave it out if you're one of those oddballs who doesn't like a lanyard.  :D

I actually hated the bail with a vengeance on a previous Wenger SI. It is easy to accidentally close the main blade on the bail, which causes a nice big ding in the edge. I said bad words on more than a couple of occasions because of that freaking bail...

Then there's that, I have seen bail damage on blades. I'm still OK with the absence of bail/keyring altogether, solves the whole issue for me.  :)
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: glenfiddich1983 on July 07, 2016, 01:54:11 PM
The only modification I'd like to see is across the board use of the hollow rivet - best of both worlds as it is comfortable to hold even with a bail, and you can leave it out if you're one of those oddballs who doesn't like a lanyard.  :D

I actually hated the bail with a vengeance on a previous Wenger SI. It is easy to accidentally close the main blade on the bail, which causes a nice big ding in the edge. I said bad words on more than a couple of occasions because of that freaking bail...

Then there's that, I have seen bail damage on blades. I'm still OK with the absence of bail/keyring altogether, solves the whole issue for me.  :)

I think the hollow rivet looks pretty, for some reason. Two solid rivets and one hollow one.. I think it is a nice detail. Same goes for the WK (WaffenKontroll) stamps on the older models, I really like that. It all gives the knife so much more character :)

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/6oqub7cx1ig62er/73%20soldier%201.jpg?dl=1)

But I do prefer the hollow rivet without the bail. The knife looks more elegant without the bail.
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: magentus on July 07, 2016, 01:56:58 PM
The only modification I'd like to see is across the board use of the hollow rivet - best of both worlds as it is comfortable to hold even with a bail, and you can leave it out if you're one of those oddballs who doesn't like a lanyard.  :D

I actually hated the bail with a vengeance on a previous Wenger SI. It is easy to accidentally close the main blade on the bail, which causes a nice big ding in the edge. I said bad words on more than a couple of occasions because of that freaking bail...
Yeah, there is that.  :facepalm: a piece of twine through the rivet works quite well too and then no dings!
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: magentus on July 07, 2016, 01:57:38 PM
The only modification I'd like to see is across the board use of the hollow rivet - best of both worlds as it is comfortable to hold even with a bail, and you can leave it out if you're one of those oddballs who doesn't like a lanyard.  :D

I actually hated the bail with a vengeance on a previous Wenger SI. It is easy to accidentally close the main blade on the bail, which causes a nice big ding in the edge. I said bad words on more than a couple of occasions because of that freaking bail...

Then there's that, I have seen bail damage on blades. I'm still OK with the absence of bail/keyring altogether, solves the whole issue for me.  :)

I think the hollow rivet looks pretty, for some reason. Two solid rivets and one hollow one.. I think it is a nice detail. Same goes for the WK (WaffenKontroll) stamps on the older models, I really like that. It all gives the knife so much more character :)

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/6oqub7cx1ig62er/73%20soldier%201.jpg?dl=1)

But I do prefer the hollow rivet without the bail. The knife looks more elegant without the bail.

The WK stamp is a nice bit of history isn't it?
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: magentus on July 07, 2016, 01:59:11 PM
The other nice thing is the size, the blade is just enough bigger to make it a regular KP tool rather than an occasional one. The bigger opener layer too, not sure if the SD has a higher rivet failure point when prying, but it sure feels like it can handle heavier tasks. Also levering it against alox is less destructive than the 91mm scale materials.

Uhh, what's a KP tool, please?

I'd say the thicker implements + thicker rivets + thicker scales on 93mm models probably means the can handle some bigger loads than their 91mm cousins though how much bigger I have no idea  :think:  :)


KP = kitchen patrol, or food prep.

I'm not testing the rivet theory to failure either, I like my SAKs too much to kill them.  ;) I think they gave up on the hollow rivets because the liner KR mount is easier to manufacture, but it could be something else entirely. Congrats on your Modhood Mags, I'll try to toe the line!  :ahhh
Thanks Twilizzle  :salute: No special treatment now....
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Toolslinger on July 07, 2016, 02:43:37 PM
The other nice thing is the size, the blade is just enough bigger to make it a regular KP tool rather than an occasional one. The bigger opener layer too, not sure if the SD has a higher rivet failure point when prying, but it sure feels like it can handle heavier tasks. Also levering it against alox is less destructive than the 91mm scale materials.

Uhh, what's a KP tool, please?

I'd say the thicker implements + thicker rivets + thicker scales on 93mm models probably means the can handle some bigger loads than their 91mm cousins though how much bigger I have no idea  :think:  :)


KP = kitchen patrol, or food prep.

I'm not testing the rivet theory to failure either, I like my SAKs too much to kill them.  ;) I think they gave up on the hollow rivets because the liner KR mount is easier to manufacture, but it could be something else entirely. Congrats on your Modhood Mags, I'll try to toe the line!  :ahhh
Thanks Twilizzle  :salute: No special treatment now....

Congrats on making Mod m-gizzle! :salute:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: firiki on July 07, 2016, 03:15:59 PM
Just adding two things I like about alox models, they are rugged and they have an old-school simplicity I appreciate greatly.

+1 on these two, maybe the biggest factors for me.  :tu:
Much as I hate agreeing with firiki (like a rabbit agreeing with the wolf), they are built well and without actually testing them, they are probably bombproof.

The only modification I'd like to see is across the board use of the hollow rivet - best of both worlds as it is comfortable to hold even with a bail, and you can leave it out if you're one of those oddballs who doesn't like a lanyard.  :D

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/76/0d/1d/760d1db365e608e9f473f587b29d1966.jpg)

 ::)

As long as the hollow rivet is up to the task... I wonder why Victorinox stopped using those :think:

I like having a lanyard as well as the ability to quickly remove any protrusions from the SAK in a second. The only way to do this is through a hollow rivet.

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I am a moderator now firiki  >:D

They let anybody in these days, I see...  :D

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67168.0;attach=275425;image)

Congratulations, young Jedi. You know what they say, with great power comes great responsability.

I'm sure you'll make good use of your new superpowers. :cheers:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Monrogue on July 07, 2016, 03:26:30 PM
Mags is a Mod now?!
:ahhh  :ahhh

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Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Monrogue on July 07, 2016, 03:27:02 PM
Lol, no really, congrats Mags buddy old pal ;)

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Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: firiki on July 07, 2016, 03:34:42 PM
The other nice thing is the size, the blade is just enough bigger to make it a regular KP tool rather than an occasional one. The bigger opener layer too, not sure if the SD has a higher rivet failure point when prying, but it sure feels like it can handle heavier tasks. Also levering it against alox is less destructive than the 91mm scale materials.

Uhh, what's a KP tool, please?

I'd say the thicker implements + thicker rivets + thicker scales on 93mm models probably means the can handle some bigger loads than their 91mm cousins though how much bigger I have no idea  :think:  :)


KP = kitchen patrol, or food prep.

I'm not testing the rivet theory to failure either, I like my SAKs too much to kill them.  ;) I think they gave up on the hollow rivets because the liner KR mount is easier to manufacture, but it could be something else entirely. Congrats on your Modhood Mags, I'll try to toe the line!  :ahhh

Thanks, I learned something today :salute:

I don't like pushing my SAKs to their limits either. For the record though, I've had to use my Pioneer to open a crate once, I removed three planks and 12 stubborn nails with it. At first I thought it developped some lateral play afterwards but I'm still carrying the same SAK three and a half years later and I've also undone some seized screws with it with no damage to report. They can take some serious use, that's for sure.  :tu:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: ducttapetech on July 07, 2016, 03:37:54 PM
Mags is a Mod now?!
:ahhh  :ahhh

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Run!

Congrats Mags!
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: firiki on July 07, 2016, 03:39:21 PM
The only modification I'd like to see is across the board use of the hollow rivet - best of both worlds as it is comfortable to hold even with a bail, and you can leave it out if you're one of those oddballs who doesn't like a lanyard.  :D

I actually hated the bail with a vengeance on a previous Wenger SI. It is easy to accidentally close the main blade on the bail, which causes a nice big ding in the edge. I said bad words on more than a couple of occasions because of that freaking bail...

Then there's that, I have seen bail damage on blades. I'm still OK with the absence of bail/keyring altogether, solves the whole issue for me.  :)

'Tis why I only mentioned the hollow rivet earlier. I always wondered why Wenger didn't make that bail shorter!

And like magentus said


Yeah, there is that.  :facepalm: a piece of twine through the rivet works quite well too and then no dings!
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: magentus on July 07, 2016, 03:40:11 PM
Thanks chums, I think it had a little to do with the photographic evidence I have been dilligently building up over the past few years. Mwa ha ha haaaa
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Monrogue on July 07, 2016, 03:50:43 PM
Mags is a Mod now?!
:ahhh  :ahhh

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Congrats Mags!
I was like, "Oh @#$#!" and then I was like, "it's ok, Mags is cool"

:rofl:

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Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: zoidberg on July 07, 2016, 03:51:29 PM
 :ahhh
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: magentus on July 07, 2016, 03:54:05 PM
Mags is a Mod now?!
:ahhh  :ahhh

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Run!

Congrats Mags!
I was like, "Oh @#$#!" and then I was like, "it's ok, Mags is cool"

:rofl:

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I was cool, and then they made me do that Jason Bourne trauma treatment and now I am Modgentus. Who knows what I'll do....
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: zoidberg on July 07, 2016, 03:56:07 PM
modgy...  :rofl:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: ducttapetech on July 07, 2016, 03:57:13 PM
LOL!

Nate

Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: ducttapetech on July 07, 2016, 03:59:26 PM
Mags is a Mod now?!
:ahhh  :ahhh

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Run!

Congrats Mags!
I was like, "Oh @#$#!" and then I was like, "it's ok, Mags is cool"

:rofl:

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LOL! I used to think the samething about JD, then everytime I turn around he threatens to ban me, again. LOL!

Nate

Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: magentus on July 07, 2016, 04:02:21 PM
Mags is a Mod now?!
:ahhh  :ahhh

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Run!

Congrats Mags!
I was like, "Oh @#$#!" and then I was like, "it's ok, Mags is cool"

:rofl:

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LOL! I used to think the samething about JD, then everytime I turn around he threatens to ban me, again. LOL!

Nate
Don't make me come round there!
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: glenfiddich1983 on July 07, 2016, 04:04:52 PM
This is all getting very much off topic!

Where are the MODS  >:D

 :D
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: ducttapetech on July 07, 2016, 04:06:10 PM
Mags is a Mod now?!
:ahhh  :ahhh

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Run!

Congrats Mags!
I was like, "Oh @#$#!" and then I was like, "it's ok, Mags is cool"

:rofl:

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LOL! I used to think the samething about JD, then everytime I turn around he threatens to ban me, again. LOL!

Nate
Don't make me come round there!
Haha!

Nate

Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: zoidberg on July 07, 2016, 04:07:36 PM
I'm eating toast.
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: magentus on July 07, 2016, 04:10:01 PM
This is all getting very much off topic!

Where are the MODS  >:D

 :D
Keep on topic please everyone!

What is on your toast please ZMan?
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Monrogue on July 07, 2016, 04:11:21 PM
Mags is a Mod now?!
:ahhh  :ahhh

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Run!

Congrats Mags!
I was like, "Oh @#$#!" and then I was like, "it's ok, Mags is cool"

:rofl:

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I was cool, and then they made me do that Jason Bourne trauma treatment and now I am Modgentus. Who knows what I'll do....
:ahhh

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Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: ducttapetech on July 07, 2016, 04:17:32 PM
This is all getting very much off topic!

Where are the MODS  >:D

 :D
Keep on topic please everyone!

What is on your toast please ZMan?
The MTO way.

Nate

Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: glenfiddich1983 on July 07, 2016, 04:17:38 PM
This is all getting very much off topic!

Where are the MODS  >:D

 :D
Keep on topic please everyone!

What is on your toast please ZMan?

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: zoidberg on July 07, 2016, 04:20:10 PM
2x manuka honey, 1x crunchy peanut butter, 1x marmite.
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: zoidberg on July 07, 2016, 04:22:55 PM
New page banana man dance.   :nanadance:   :nanadance:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: twiliter on July 07, 2016, 05:23:25 PM
I was only gone for a minute, now I see the thread has disintegrated in spectacular fashion! Well done fellas!  :ahhh

mmmmmmmm, who said peanut butter....  :drool:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: batosai117 on July 08, 2016, 02:06:40 AM
The only modification I'd like to see is across the board use of the hollow rivet - best of both worlds as it is comfortable to hold even with a bail, and you can leave it out if you're one of those oddballs who doesn't like a lanyard.  :D

I actually hated the bail with a vengeance on a previous Wenger SI. It is easy to accidentally close the main blade on the bail, which causes a nice big ding in the edge. I said bad words on more than a couple of occasions because of that freaking bail...


Lmao, I feel like I can't get a solid grip with the bail in the way. And yes, my SI has a song or two in the blade as well


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Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: firiki on July 08, 2016, 10:58:35 AM
The only modification I'd like to see is across the board use of the hollow rivet - best of both worlds as it is comfortable to hold even with a bail, and you can leave it out if you're one of those oddballs who doesn't like a lanyard.  :D

I actually hated the bail with a vengeance on a previous Wenger SI. It is easy to accidentally close the main blade on the bail, which causes a nice big ding in the edge. I said bad words on more than a couple of occasions because of that freaking bail...


Lmao, I feel like I can't get a solid grip with the bail in the way. And yes, my SI has a song or two in the blade as well


Agreed, the way the bail sits proud of the knife and the fact it moves freely don't really help get a good grip. I much prefer some thick cord through the hollow rivet.
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: pfrsantos on July 08, 2016, 02:38:32 PM
The only modification I'd like to see is across the board use of the hollow rivet - best of both worlds as it is comfortable to hold even with a bail, and you can leave it out if you're one of those oddballs who doesn't like a lanyard.  :D

I actually hated the bail with a vengeance on a previous Wenger SI. It is easy to accidentally close the main blade on the bail, which causes a nice big ding in the edge. I said bad words on more than a couple of occasions because of that freaking bail...


Lmao, I feel like I can't get a solid grip with the bail in the way. And yes, my SI has a song or two in the blade as well


Agreed, the way the bail sits proud of the knife and the fact it moves freely don't really help get a good grip. I much prefer some thick cord through the hollow rivet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlTb0o2XAyg
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: SAK Guy on July 08, 2016, 03:39:52 PM
I love the bail....
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: magentus on July 08, 2016, 03:41:54 PM
I love the bail....
+1 All hail the bail.
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Aloha on July 08, 2016, 04:28:48 PM
I have a SI with bail as well as two older SAKs with bails.  I feel the bail adds a lot of character to the older ones.  On my SI I'm neutral as to looks but I do like how a lanyard attaches for easy retrieval.
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: strmliner on July 08, 2016, 07:12:28 PM
I love the bail....
+1 All hail the bail.

+1...I have no problems with the bail...   :cheers:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on July 11, 2016, 03:20:52 AM
This thread has not been locked and a round of bannings been handed out?

Prolly best the powers that be have seen fit to not give me any power here.

Sigh.
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: theonew on July 11, 2016, 03:53:17 AM
This thread has not been locked and a round of bannings been handed out?

That is rather surprising :D
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: jerseydevil on July 11, 2016, 04:25:06 AM
This thread has not been locked and a round of bannings been handed out?

Prolly best the powers that be have seen fit to not give me any power here.

Sigh.
 

It's coming. I'll strike when all the heretics least expect it, like three weeks from now..... :ashley:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: ducttapetech on July 11, 2016, 03:07:02 PM
Your banning the guys who like Alox right?

Nate

Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: SteveC on July 11, 2016, 03:33:27 PM
I love the bail....
+1 All hail the bail.

Me too  :cheers:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: ducttapetech on July 11, 2016, 03:41:58 PM


I love the bail....
+1 All hail the bail.

Me too  :cheers:

I agree. Bails are way better than the key rings.

Nate

Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: magentus on July 11, 2016, 08:21:09 PM


I love the bail....
+1 All hail the bail.

Me too  :cheers:

I agree. Bails are way better than the key rings.

Nate
It's agreed then - all the cool kids like the bail.

Bail party- my office tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: SAK Guy on July 11, 2016, 08:37:05 PM


I love the bail....
+1 All hail the bail.

Me too  :cheers:

I agree. Bails are way better than the key rings.

Nate
It's agreed then - all the cool kids like the bail.

Bail party- my office tomorrow night.

 :woohoo:

I'll bring the paracord!!!!!!
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Mr. Whippy on July 11, 2016, 08:37:39 PM
If I'm Victorinox, I'm hating bails because I don't want to repair or replace a bunch of SAKs because idiots chip their blades on the bail. 

Got to a keyring and problem is solved.

(I like bails too)
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: SteveC on July 11, 2016, 08:40:40 PM


I love the bail....
+1 All hail the bail.

Me too  :cheers:

I agree. Bails are way better than the key rings.

Nate
It's agreed then - all the cool kids like the bail.

Bail party- my office tomorrow night.

 :woohoo:

I'll bring the paracord!!!!!!


:woohoo:
And I'll bring the   :multi:   :whistle:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: ducttapetech on July 11, 2016, 08:41:58 PM


I love the bail....
+1 All hail the bail.

Me too  :cheers:

I agree. Bails are way better than the key rings.

Nate
It's agreed then - all the cool kids like the bail.

Bail party- my office tomorrow night.

 :woohoo:

I'll bring the paracord!!!!!!
I'll bring the beer and a chainsaw.

Nate

Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Monrogue on July 11, 2016, 08:43:17 PM


I love the bail....
+1 All hail the bail.

Me too  :cheers:

I agree. Bails are way better than the key rings.

Nate
It's agreed then - all the cool kids like the bail.

Bail party- my office tomorrow night.

 :woohoo:

I'll bring the paracord!!!!!!
I'll bring the beer and a chainsaw.

Nate
That may not be a good idea with Mags involved ;)

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Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: ducttapetech on July 11, 2016, 08:47:37 PM


I love the bail....
+1 All hail the bail.

Me too  :cheers:

I agree. Bails are way better than the key rings.

Nate
It's agreed then - all the cool kids like the bail.

Bail party- my office tomorrow night.

 :woohoo:

I'll bring the paracord!!!!!!
I'll bring the beer and a chainsaw.

Nate
That may not be a good idea with Mags involved ;)

Sent from my SM-G920R4 using Tapatalk
Mags should be able to handle a beer. I think....

Nate

Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Poncho65 on July 11, 2016, 09:26:28 PM


I love the bail....
+1 All hail the bail.

Me too  :cheers:

I agree. Bails are way better than the key rings.

Nate
It's agreed then - all the cool kids like the bail.

Bail party- my office tomorrow night.

 :woohoo:

I'll bring the paracord!!!!!!


:woohoo:
And I'll bring the   :multi:   :whistle:

 :facepalm:

 :pok:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Swiss Guy on July 12, 2016, 05:06:59 AM
I don't have any SAKS with balls so I am going to have to bail out.   :whistle:

That was an unbailievably bad pun,  I know.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: cali-SAK-attack on July 13, 2016, 10:34:59 AM


I love the bail....
+1 All hail the bail.

Me too  :cheers:

I agree. Bails are way better than the key rings.

Nate
It's agreed then - all the cool kids like the bail.

Bail party- my office tomorrow night.

 :woohoo:

I'll bring the paracord!!!!!!


:woohoo:
And I'll bring the   :multi:   :whistle:


 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :whistle:
already got the :popcorn:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: twiliter on July 13, 2016, 02:22:51 PM
If Nate is bringing a chainsaw, I'm shopping a bail immediately!  :woohoo:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: ducttapetech on July 13, 2016, 02:24:17 PM
LoL!

Nate

Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Mattexian on July 23, 2016, 10:29:56 PM
What blasphemy is this?  :twak:

Cellidor better than alox?  :ahhh

Oh well, more alox for me then (with a Rambler on the keys!)...  :tu:
You're more polite than I would be.

It's like saying "why I don't like redheads, or blondes, or brunettes."  Just go far away and shut your dirty smurf mouth!  :twak:  ;)

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Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: sLaughterMed on July 24, 2016, 05:16:52 AM
What blasphemy is this?  :twak:

Cellidor better than alox?  :ahhh

Oh well, more alox for me then (with a Rambler on the keys!)...  :tu:
You're more polite than I would be.

It's like saying "why I don't like redheads, or blondes, or brunettes."  Just go far away and shut your dirty smurf mouth!  :twak:  ;)

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:rofl:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: El Corkscrew on March 18, 2017, 05:38:38 PM
I just joined the forum today and I posted an introductory thread. I have read some of the responses to that thread and I feel very welcome already. However, I think that after writing this, I may just get banned.

First, I want to say that I think the Alox SAKs are gorgeous. I have an Alox Farmer, which sits in a drawer and it looks very good just sitting there in the drawer. The Alox scales are also a bit thinner than the Cellidor scaled SAKs but the difference is minimal.

The reason I only have one Alox SAK is because the Alox knives have far more limitations than benefits for me. <--- emphasis on "for me" because we all have our preferences.

The Alox knives are missing the back layer of tools. No parcel hook. No corkscrew/Phillips. No mini screwdriver, chisel... etc. Yes, there is an awl but there is that piece on top of the awl (to get it out of the SAK) that makes it seem more difficult to use as an awl. I realize that some of you love that the Alox knives do not have the parcel hook or corkscrew because those tools are sometimes seen as useless. However, I have found a use for those tools many times and I would not want to do away with them.

The Alox knives are missing the toothpick and tweezers. The toothpick is not used much but the tweezers get a fair amount of use. I am 43 years old and the tweezers keep me from looking like the hair on my head has migrated to my ears and nose. My girlfriend would mention that my eyebrows need some tweezer help as well.

There are no "Plus" Alox scales; no pen or pin available. I use the pen a lot and I would have to carry an extra pen with me if I did not have them in my SAK.

Once the Alox scales are beat up, that's it; you now have beat up scales. A little wear on Alox scales only enhances the beauty but I know some of us want to keep the pristine look of our user knives. With the normal Cellidor scales, when they get beat up, they are easily replaced. Not only can you replace them, you can change the color as well. Right now I have SAKs in Red, Cobalt, Hunter, White, Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, Black and StayGlow. If I get tired of one color, I can always switch it to another within a couple minutes.

I am not going to give up my Farmer but I will not purchase any more Alox SAKs. For those of you who love Alox, you can rest assured that you will not have to compete with me the next time you see an Alox SAK pop up on eBay.   :rofl:

I just found this thread and it has me rolling!!!

Cheers to Swiss Guy for having the courage to start this thread.  :cheers:  I'm more of an "I like them all" kind of guy to quote Daniel Plainview.    Compact is my hero.  I actually just purchased my first Alox, an '03 Vic Soldier, and was browsing the Alox threads and found this.  Very entertaining indeed!

Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: WoodsDuck on March 19, 2017, 02:06:59 AM
See, I wouldn't say I don't like alox. I just prefer titanium  ;)


(http://i.imgur.com/1d6dH5U.jpg)
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Swiss Guy on March 19, 2017, 02:35:12 AM
I just found this thread and it has me rolling!!!

Cheers to Swiss Guy for having the courage to start this thread.  :cheers:  I'm more of an "I like them all" kind of guy to quote Daniel Plainview.    Compact is my hero.  I actually just purchased my first Alox, an '03 Vic Soldier, and was browsing the Alox threads and found this.  Very entertaining indeed!

Thanks for that comment. My current EDC is a titanium scaled Swiss Champ. For me, it is the best of both worlds.

(https://i.imgsafe.org/2d23b48f13.jpg)
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: NorCalJim on March 19, 2017, 02:50:15 AM
This is a great "Click Bait" topic!

I don't think that Swiss Guy intended to create a click bait topic, but I think it has an irresistible draw!  Whether or not a person likes or dislikes Alox SAKs, I would expect them to want to click on this thread. :)

I read the original post and it pointed out some definite advantages of Cellidor vs Alox scales.  I was smiling as I read through the post because I had many internal debates concerning the Alox Minichamp vs the Cellidor Minichamp.  I finally ordered the Alox Minichamp through Amazon but although Amazon listed the item as "in stock", I finally had to cancel when the item still hadn't shipped after waiting a month.  I still have the Alox Minichamp on my wish list but I don't think that my internal debates are over.

Looking at Alox vs. Cellidor SAKs, the Cellidor SAKs have more tools and more functionality, mostly at a lower price.  So Celllidor SAKs win, right?  Yes, if you are basing your choice purely on utility (first kind of cool).  Probably not, if you are basing your choice on what YouTube personality Nutnfancy terms the second kind of cool (aesthetic beauty and just got to have it attraction) plus the 93mm Alox models have a larger, thicker knife blade.  And when I need an awl to make extra notches in my belts, I get my Pioneer X!

What's my opinion?  I love them both and wouldn't dream about giving up either type of SAK!
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: NorCalJim on March 19, 2017, 02:51:23 AM
I just found this thread and it has me rolling!!!

Cheers to Swiss Guy for having the courage to start this thread.  :cheers:  I'm more of an "I like them all" kind of guy to quote Daniel Plainview.    Compact is my hero.  I actually just purchased my first Alox, an '03 Vic Soldier, and was browsing the Alox threads and found this.  Very entertaining indeed!

Thanks for that comment. My current EDC is a titanium scaled Swiss Champ. For me, it is the best of both worlds.

(https://i.imgsafe.org/2d23b48f13.jpg)

 :like: :like: :like:

Very nice!!!

 :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: El Corkscrew on March 19, 2017, 03:24:20 AM
I just found this thread and it has me rolling!!!

Cheers to Swiss Guy for having the courage to start this thread.  :cheers:  I'm more of an "I like them all" kind of guy to quote Daniel Plainview.    Compact is my hero.  I actually just purchased my first Alox, an '03 Vic Soldier, and was browsing the Alox threads and found this.  Very entertaining indeed!

Thanks for that comment. My current EDC is a titanium scaled Swiss Champ. For me, it is the best of both worlds.

(https://i.imgsafe.org/2d23b48f13.jpg)

That's looking pretty classy.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Forklift on March 19, 2017, 06:10:53 AM
I gotta hand it to Swiss Guy.  Having the balls to speak against Alox on this forum is like saying you don't like rainbows or puppies.  I have mixed feelings about Alox.  They are definitely the nicest knives that Victorinox makes.  The blade certainly cuts better than the 91's but I have 2 reasons why I don't typically carry Alox.  First, I have two teeth that food gets stuck between every time I eat anything so having a toothpick on me at all times is critical.  Second I often wear sweatpants or pajama pants at night and on the weekends and apparently the Alox knives hate shallow loose pockets because they try to escape every time I sit down or jump up due to their higher density.
Also, as far as backside tools go I assume people with fat fingers hate them while people with skinny fingers think it is a practical use of space.
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: zoidberg on March 19, 2017, 07:31:06 AM
See, I wouldn't say I don't like alox. I just prefer titanium  ;)


(http://i.imgur.com/1d6dH5U.jpg)

You sir, really should be posting daily pics of this beauty.   :drool:   :drool:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Fast Bill on March 19, 2017, 08:08:34 AM
There's got to be a solution to the toothpick /tweezers/pen issue for alox. It's the main thing holding me back from more permanent alox carry.

Can we fix it?

This. 150% with you Grass  :cheers:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Fast Bill on March 19, 2017, 08:21:21 AM
Maybe this thread should be titled "Why I don't like Alox and Learned to Love Titanium" ?

Syph's work in Titanium 91mm is a joy to behold and great to carry. It is nearly the answer to Life, The Universe and Everything for me*

With no apologies whatsoever here's my Compleat Fisherman

* Tweezers - great ... but I miss the Toothpick !
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Don Pablo on March 19, 2017, 09:10:36 AM
I love this thread for showing the other side of the alox argument.
An argument is not complete until you see both sides.   :2tu:
Thank you Swiss guy!
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: ddogu on March 19, 2017, 10:54:18 AM
Finally a topic where I can come out of closet and shout out that I DO NOT LIKE ALOX, too!
Phew, that was a relief... I have been forcing myself to like the alox tools, having seen the posts of all those fans but finally a place where nylon-scale lovers can epress their feelings freely, without any guilt.  :like:  :ahhh

Thank you thank you :)  :tu: :tu: :salute:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Don Pablo on March 19, 2017, 10:59:55 AM
Finally a topic where I can come out of closet and shout out that I DO NOT LIKE ALOX, too!
Phew, that was a relief... I have been forcing myself to like the alox tools, having seen the posts of all those fans but finally a place where nylon-scale lovers can epress their feelings freely, without any guilt.  :like:  :ahhh

Thank you thank you :)  :tu: :tu: :salute:

 :rofl: :rofl:  :tu:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: El Corkscrew on March 19, 2017, 04:47:58 PM
I love this thread for showing the other side of the alox argument.
An argument is not complete until you see both sides.   :2tu:
Thank you Swiss guy!


Totally!
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: SAK Guy on March 19, 2017, 06:53:50 PM
No ALOX?!?!?!   :o

(https://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/n-nr1m3w/b72t4x/products/39162/images/42800/ANM512_copy_cu__63548.1443073104.1280.1280.jpg?c=2)

"Now drop and give me twenty!!!"


:rofl:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: SteveC on March 19, 2017, 07:02:13 PM
 :rofl: :like:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: El Corkscrew on March 19, 2017, 07:43:24 PM
No ALOX?!?!?!   :o

(https://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/n-nr1m3w/b72t4x/products/39162/images/42800/ANM512_copy_cu__63548.1443073104.1280.1280.jpg?c=2)

"Now drop and give me twenty!!!"


:rofl:

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Fast Bill on March 19, 2017, 08:36:24 PM
No ALOX?!?!?!   :o

(https://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/n-nr1m3w/b72t4x/products/39162/images/42800/ANM512_copy_cu__63548.1443073104.1280.1280.jpg?c=2)

"Now drop and give me twenty!!!"


:rofl:

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

The only question you need to ask yourself Robert is ... are we laughing with you ? Or not ?  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: SAK Guy on March 19, 2017, 08:54:29 PM
No ALOX?!?!?!   :o

(https://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/n-nr1m3w/b72t4x/products/39162/images/42800/ANM512_copy_cu__63548.1443073104.1280.1280.jpg?c=2)

"Now drop and give me twenty!!!"


:rofl:

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

The only question you need to ask yourself Robert is ... are we laughing with you ? Or not ?  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 :rofl: :rofl: With me I hope because I sure laughed at the original!!!!

-Language-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dy2fo6E_pI

Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: The Lone Wanderer on March 19, 2017, 08:58:25 PM
While I enjoy my Wenger Standard Issue, I honestly prefer the 111mm series to both the 93mm and 91mm by a long ways.
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: cali-SAK-attack on March 19, 2017, 10:55:14 PM
While I enjoy my Wenger Standard Issue, I honestly prefer the 111mm series to both the 93mm and 91mm by a long ways.


 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: - YOU CHARACTERS crack me up!  :pok: :D :whistle:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on March 19, 2017, 11:10:37 PM
Can someone hook me ip with mod privileges for a couple of hours please.

Have a whole thread worth of people who need the axe.
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Hambango on March 19, 2017, 11:38:11 PM
While I enjoy my Wenger Standard Issue, I honestly prefer the 111mm series to both the 93mm and 91mm by a long ways.

I wholeheartedly agree!  :cheers:
Once Victorinox decides to build a 111mm SAK with the Cybertool's bit holder, I'll never have to buy another SAK!  :gimme:
Title: Re: Why I Don't Like Alox
Post by: Ron Who on March 20, 2017, 06:22:59 PM
My feelings about alox were comparable to Swiss Guy's, initially. Those feelings were based upon the Soldier knife, which I found to be only half a SAK. I still don't like the Soldier. However, lately I've been carrying a Carver and an alox MiniChamp, and I love them. I still need a cellidor SAK to get a full complement of tools though.