Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 12, 2018, 04:50:44 PM
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Hey do you have a contact at leatherman as bought a tread and it got taken at the airport
As the product states allowed on planes and it clearly is not
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Good Morning XXXXX,
In the FAQ's about flying, we note that the TSA allow the tread to be carried/worn on the air crafts as they do allow this, however, the TSA is not the governing body for Australian flight services (it is for the US where Leatherman Tools are manufactured). Some people find success in advising the airport security that the TSA allow them due to the fact there are no tools etc on the tread and the US have notoriously strict flight conditions so if they allow it then it may be considered here, but ultimately, it is up to the individual agents assessment. Australia does not have one governing security body that has the same rules for each flight or even airport, so we can't say the tread is allowed or banned from all flights, as some airlines may accept them and others would not. As well as this, despite them not having any knives on them, we do not have the authority to overrule a decision made by an airport security agent regarding the Treads.
I am very sorry to hear that yours got confiscated, but unfortunately we cannot replace products that get lost or confiscated.
Kind regards,
XXXXXXXXXXXX
Three things to take away from this:
1- If you are an international traveler, please remember that TSA compliant doesn't mean it will comply with the rules of your airline, airport or national security agency.
2- Regardless of your location, please remember that the AGENT has ultimate discretion on whatever they feel constitutes a danger, regardless of the regulations.
3- Leatherman has no jurisdiction, responsibility or authority to say what can and cannot go on the plane, nor are they likely to do much more than shrug and apologize if your tool gets confiscated.
I know some of you have flown successfully with different items that are labelled as TSA friendly, but I have time and again warned everyone not to take chances with it. And now, one of our members has lost a $200 bracelet because someone felt it was a threat.
I don't agree with this kind of thing, and I strongly suggest you all write to whatever governing agency in your area handles these matters, and I suggest even more that you do not argue with anyone while you are in a line up at security as you are really not going to win, and could end up losing an awful lot more than your tool.
Def
Post by: Nix on March 12, 2018, 04:54:12 PM
yeah, you right.
:rant:
Post by: Mechanickal on March 12, 2018, 04:57:53 PM
When means generate consequence...
Post by: ThePeacent on March 12, 2018, 05:00:01 PM
I got this message on FB from a longtime member and friend, who shall remain nameless.
2- Regardless of your location, please remember that the AGENT has ultimate discretion onwhatever they feel constitutes a danger, regardless of the regulations. whatever they feel is a great gadget they wouldn't mind owning
...a $200 braceletbecause someone felt it was a threat. because someone liked it more than you did and had the upper ground there and then
I don't agree with this kind of thing, and I strongly suggest you all write to whatever governing agency in your area handles these matters, and I suggest even more that you do not argue with anyone while you are in a line up at security as you are really not going to win, and could end up losing an awful lot more than your tool.
Def
sorry but that's my view on most security personnel. :rant:
If I travel now the most I'll take is a bic pen :gimme: and if I feel like carrying a tool, a Gerber Dime or other weak piece of cr*p that you can break in half with your hands before handing it to the agent in question that is not letting you through with it :angel:
Post by: Nix on March 12, 2018, 05:05:20 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/QcCyrGu.jpg)
Someday that style won't make the full journey.
Post by: Aloha on March 12, 2018, 05:16:08 PM
Post by: AndyTiedye on March 12, 2018, 05:16:27 PM
No need to let them have it.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 12, 2018, 05:18:36 PM
Again, I urge all members to contact their local governing agency and/or official if you want this to change. Having yourself placed in custody and on a No Fly list is not the way to beat this, so I strongly encourage all members to leave your things at home, put them in your checked luggage, surrender them peacefully or mail them back to yourself or hand them off to a family member or friend who isn't flying with you.
I'm all for fighting this, but sensibly, and in a way that won't cost you.
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Post by: ReamerPunch on March 12, 2018, 05:21:32 PM
I remember a member posting about their Pocketwrench being confiscated. Another member had his auto-lock snap-off box cutter confiscated. Even though the blade had been removed, the agent though it "made a threatening clicking sound" so the harmless tool did not make it on the plane.
Of course, in this case, the tool was worth much more than a pocketwrench. :(
I take no chances with airport security. If they take a shine to something you have, you might as well kiss it goodbye.
Since nail-clippers are deemed a dangerous weapon capable of hijacking a plane, what chance does the Tread have?
My condolences to our forum friend who got cheated out of such an expensive tool. It was an expensive lesson to learn. :(
Post by: twiliter on March 12, 2018, 05:36:52 PM
Also I've learned over the years not to give idiots a chance to mess with me, or a reason, so I try to be 'gray man' when traveling as much as possible. I am just another sheep Mr. Rent-A-Cop. Baaaaaaaa..... :D
Post by: Mechanickal on March 12, 2018, 05:57:59 PM
Post by: twiliter on March 12, 2018, 06:37:56 PM
Do keep in mind that not everybody travels with checked luggage!
Or multitools. :P :D
Post by: Mechanickal on March 12, 2018, 07:09:13 PM
True!Do keep in mind that not everybody travels with checked luggage!
Or multitools.:D
Post by: dks on March 12, 2018, 07:24:46 PM
Post by: Don Pablo on March 12, 2018, 07:57:03 PM
I do both :)Not everyone has a private plane. :)
Post by: Obi1shinobee on March 12, 2018, 08:08:59 PM
I do both :)Not everyone has a private plane. :)
:rofl:
Post by: dks on March 12, 2018, 08:15:52 PM
Post by: Don Pablo on March 12, 2018, 08:19:56 PM
everyone I know does... where do you people live?:shrug:
A private plane is one of the things that you would think that everyone would have...
For the record, I’ve never met anyone in real life who has no private plane. :think:
But I’ve heard rumours. :o
Post by: dks on March 12, 2018, 08:29:41 PM
Post by: ironraven on March 13, 2018, 12:34:09 AM
...a $200 braceletbecause someone felt it was a threat. because someone liked it more than you did and had the upper ground there and then
Does anyone remember when this crap first went into effect? iPods were brand new, and they have electronics and you could build something naughty into one. So of course, many of the got seized as dangerous devices. Amazing how the panic about Al'queda building a bomb out of an iPod faded after Christmas that year. At this point, I'd carry a $3 pair of scewkeys and a glasses screwdriver and a pair of nail clippers with non-pointy tip on the file. And nothing more.
And my boss wonders why I refuse to travel.
Post by: kaput on March 13, 2018, 12:59:19 AM
Realistically, I can't remember badly needing anything on a flight other than maybe a pen or a toothpick. Not sure a Tread would have any use for me on a flight either, I'd probably stow in in checked baggage. Sorry for your loss. :salute:This.
Always good to check on requirements and do due dillegence prior, especially for folks in less tolerant countries for multitools and such. That's a bummer
Post by: Old Boy on March 13, 2018, 01:19:27 AM
So far the only thing that has passed muster is my Gerber Shard. But even then I have a spare it case it got confiscated. Cheap tool to replace.
I have used it a few times for a stuck baggage zipper, opening a package, or a loose screw in the hotel so I really dread it if at one point we are not allowed to bring any tool.
Post by: kaput on March 13, 2018, 01:26:06 AM
Post by: jaya_man on March 13, 2018, 01:44:25 AM
Even the Zebra F701 can be considered dangerous to some security personnel. A friend had his confiscated...
Here’s a picture (a friends pic) of what gets confiscated at Indonesian airports. Even scissors deemed safe to bring to schools get confiscated...(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180313/95166c67f889291e3e255058edd9d3a4.jpg)
During my trip to Australia last year, I happened to have 2 disposable lighters in my pocket. One got confiscated... even my steel fidget spinner caused problems... but luckily it wasn’t confiscated... :lol:
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Post by: ToolJoe on March 13, 2018, 02:43:24 AM
Post by: Old Boy on March 13, 2018, 03:30:55 AM
I only fly with a Maglite Solitaire LED, p51, craftsman 4 way screwdriver, Doohickey and leatherman 5..
I read somewhere that someone’s P51 got confiscated.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 13, 2018, 12:56:44 PM
Years ago, long before 9/11, in the days when my skeleton was still made out of a bone-like material, I was a security speSmurfpillst and investigator, and my opinion of the majority of security personnel at the time was that most were working security only because they were too mentally deficient to pass the aptitude test to work at Burger King. Over the years, that opinion hasn't been changed, although many of the "experienced" minimum wage security guards I encountered then now work at airports as they pay better. These idiots in uniform are not any smarter or better trained than they were then, they are just given more authority and more space to swing their smurfs.
Because of this, I really don't like to give these people any excuse to stop and harass me if there's any chance of avoiding it. I got stopped in Las Vegas one year for a "suspicious" pack of M&M's candy. In Toronto I was almost arrested because the airline lost my luggage and the Customs officer wrote KNIVES across my boarding pass because I had Swiss Army Knives in the luggage that was lost, just so I could enjoy additional screening. Another year, when going to my brother's wedding I had to tear apart the gift I was bringing them because the kitchen set I had gotten included a circular pizza cutter, which is a much worse weapon than a laptop or camera on a strap.
A maintenance man I know at the Halifax airport was telling me one day that pre- 9/11 he carried a Swiss Army Knife at work because it was helpful for his work, and most of the other maintenance guys did as well. Then 9/11 happened and they were no longer allowed to bring their personal SAKs to work with them because they were knives... so as a replacement the airport bought the all Leatherman Waves, because those are tools. One handed opening, locking bladed tools, potentially a lot ore dangerous than SAKs. So, if you have a problem with the peons in uniform and decide to try and escalate it, this is the kind of management you will get to deal with.
Def
Post by: gadgetman7 on March 13, 2018, 08:21:27 PM
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Post by: Sea Monster on March 13, 2018, 09:36:29 PM
I had taken the lighter out of my pocket to put in the tray that goes through the scanner, she took it out of the tray, berated me for having it, and rather forcefully informed me it must stay on my person at all times on the plane.
No $#!+ dumbass....it was IN MY POCKET before I had to go through the scanner, and it will go BACK IN MY POCKET as soon as you give it back to me.
She didn't like my attitude and threatened to not let me board (in a larger airport, this might have been a legitimate threat. This was a rural area with no amenities. Not letting me board the one flight that have per day would probably count as murder)
anyway, I guess if your job is being a security guard at an airstrip in the middle of nowhere, you probably deserve to be a grumpy moron, I sure as hell wouldn't take the job....
Anyway, my other experiences with airports, such as they are - Just put everything in checked baggage.
Funnily enough, I have less problems getting all sorts of tools and equipment through Customs* (or Borderforce, whatever they are calling themselves now) than I do taking anything onto a plane in my carry on.
*This is because they only care about meeting national laws, which are pretty persmissive, all things considered. It is state laws that will stitch you up.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 13, 2018, 10:47:43 PM
Sounds like they should have their own line of action figures. :facepalm:
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Post by: kaput on March 14, 2018, 12:14:24 AM
Post by: ironraven on March 14, 2018, 12:55:18 AM
Hope there's no Security guards on this forum, yowza :dwts:
If there are, I would point out that they are part of the normalization of a police state that considers its subjects to not be citizens but property of the state, and promulgate the currently trendy notion that accusation is conviction. Their mothers should be ashamed of them, and if I ever joined their jackbooted legions my mother would be so dishonored she'd spit in my face and then disembowel me.
Hows that for "yowza"?
Post by: ThundahBeagle on March 14, 2018, 01:41:27 AM
Rise of the Warrior Cop by Radley Balko.
It can be a socio-beaurocratic unconscious move to get better equipment, and better trained personnel. Not finger pointing. I know a lot of good officers and have worked with many of them before they were officers. Good people doing a tough job...
Folks who don't know history don't realize that the true purpose for a police officer is to bring a suspect to justice (meaning to bring the suspect before the justice system). By definition of that purpose, that means a crime would already have been committed. We need to look after ourselves as much as possible.
But I digress.
The rediculosity of the flight carry-on requirements is that 200 people were held at bay by 4 people with box cutters. The psychology of it is that "nobody wants to be the first one" injured or killed. But 100 or 200 people with carry-on bags, shoes, belts, etc could have had those dirt bags all bundled up nice and neat, and safely landed at their destination. Perhaps some injuries. Perhaps Enron a swathe or two. Not to seem heartless, but Istead of one or two losses, or even 10, we lost thousands. We as Americans were not conditioned for this sort of thing,so the box cutters became the easy enemy.
We tend to be lazy, so rather than learn how to deal with these cowards by being brave, we are taught to cower. To bring this full circle - we think we are making things safe by outlawing an inanimate object.
I posit that one person with a Swiss Army Knife on an airplane could be more helpful than harmful. And those WITH a Swiss Army Knife are more likely to take some sort of action when needed.
Post by: Sea Monster on March 14, 2018, 03:09:51 AM
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And those WITH a Swiss Army Knife are more likely to take some sort of action when needed.
As long as that action is "tighten my glasses" then you're probably right.
This is getting outside the scope of the issue, but I wonder how much it would cost to put a security guard on the plane? (s/he could double as a bathroom attendant or something and hand out warm towels when there's no one to tackle to the ground)
Post by: Sea Monster on March 14, 2018, 03:24:01 AM
Damn well should have action figures! Kids should get to play with toys of real heroes, not north american make believe idiots like GI Joe,
(https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/newsandmedia/PublishingImages/maritime-tactical-officers.jpg)
Post by: kirk13 on March 14, 2018, 03:39:58 AM
I've had a few run ins with security at Gatwick airport,although in fairness,it's been down to my own stupidity. I've had one Tinker confiscated(a fair cop,and my bad for not having checked my bag properly),and one SwissCard let through(complete with fixed blade!)...
Anyway...
I flew home last year,taking my travel guitar with me(an Aria for those who are interested). It travelled in the hold,in a hard case with no bother. However,I had a capo in my backpack...I got stopped and questioned about that,resulting in me being the last passenger arriving for the flight. I appreciate thorough security,but really? A capo?!
Post by: dks on March 14, 2018, 07:46:19 AM
Re: Action Figures-
Damn well should have action figures! Kids should get to play with toys of real heroes, not north american make believe idiots like GI Joe,
(https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/newsandmedia/PublishingImages/maritime-tactical-officers.jpg)
Post by: AndyTiedye on March 14, 2018, 09:36:23 AM
The rediculosity of the flight carry-on requirements is that 200 people were held at bay by 4 people with box cutters. The psychology of it is that "nobody wants to be the first one" injured or killed. But 100 or 200 people with carry-on bags, shoes, belts, etc could have had those dirt bags all bundled up nice and neat, and safely landed at their destination. Perhaps some injuries. Perhaps Enron a swathe or two. Not to seem heartless, but Istead of one or two losses, or even 10, we lost thousands. We as Americans were not conditioned for this sort of thing,so the box cutters became the easy enemy.
Prior to 9/11, hijackings nearly always ended peacefully. Heroics were strongly discouraged because cooperating was the best way to get everyone home safely (perhaps after a few days in Havana).
The passengers on 9/11 did not know their planes were going to be crashed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
The last plane didn't crash into a building--apparently the passengers found out what had been going on.
Has there been a successful skyjacking since 9/11?
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Post by: ThePeacent on March 14, 2018, 02:48:32 PM
Borderforce? Seriously?
Sounds like they should have their own line of action figures. :facepalm:
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stole my words :rofl: :ahhh
Post by: Don Pablo on March 14, 2018, 03:13:01 PM
A routine scanning, and then an alarm sounds....
Borderforce, coming to the rescue!
They need a transformers style cartoon. :rofl:
Post by: microbe on March 14, 2018, 03:52:33 PM
I got lucky, but will not try again.
Post by: dks on March 14, 2018, 04:36:52 PM
:)
Post by: dks on March 14, 2018, 04:50:13 PM
01. CAN I GET ON A COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT CARRYING MY LEATHERMAN TOOL? NOTE : This question appears to apply to all countries, as no distinction is made regarding different countries, something that could be considered misleading
UPDATED January 03, 2018:
Some Leatherman products are crafted to follow TSA specifications for a carry-on item. Those products are listed below. Other Leatherman products may be stowed in checked luggage that travels in the cargo area.
The following Leatherman products comply with current TSA regulations for carry-on items:
Juice CS3
Tread
Tread LT
Tread Metric
Brewzer
Grind
Hail + Style PS
Jam
Jam
Piranha 2
Thruster
Style PS
Pump
Rail
Cam
Leatherman’s travel-friendly products are specially designed to conform to regulations for commonly restricted areas and have successfully traveled through security at airports, theme parks, government buildings, schools, sporting events, and concerts throughout the world. They have been greeted not only with acceptance, but also with genuine interest and even excitement. Again no mention of country
Please note: Before carrying any Leatherman product on a flight or into any other restricted area, refer to the organization’s published sharp object policy for your own protection. Security agents, such as TSA representatives, have full discretion over allowable items for the safety of all passengers and international laws may vary. A discreet mention of potential problems, realising that maybe some countries may have different requirements
Current TSA policies are posted here: https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/prohibited-items. Leatherman does not warranty tools that are lost, stolen, or confiscated. I wish they did that, even if it was just for the US - that would show a strong belief/commitment in what they say
Post by: dks on March 14, 2018, 04:54:00 PM
https://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 15, 2018, 10:37:22 PM
Slightly off topic...
I've had a few run ins with security at Gatwick airport,although in fairness,it's been down to my own stupidity. I've had one Tinker confiscated(a fair cop,and my bad for not having checked my bag properly),and one SwissCard let through(complete with fixed blade!)...
Anyway...
I flew home last year,taking my travel guitar with me(an Aria for those who are interested). It travelled in the hold,in a hard case with no bother. However,I had a capo in my backpack...I got stopped and questioned about that,resulting in me being the last passenger arriving for the flight. I appreciate thorough security,but really? A capo?!
I repeat...
I was stopped for lawful possession of candy coated chocolates. By comparison, a capo is a weapon of mass destruction. You could drag that over the cement a number of times and sharpen the teeth into serrations, and then use the plastic bit as a handle to flail the jagged metal about. Assuming of course you have the same kind of capo that I use...
(https://www.stringsbymail.com/cache/optimized_images/6e0d74b91b8e5164ce80c693bf92b9b4_380x0.jpg)
:facepalm:
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Post by: Don Pablo on March 15, 2018, 11:00:53 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 15, 2018, 11:25:54 PM
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Post by: Steinar on March 15, 2018, 11:50:08 PM
Post by: WoodsDuck on March 16, 2018, 12:20:51 AM
From the LM website: my comments are in Bold
01. CAN I GET ON A COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT CARRYING MY LEATHERMAN TOOL? NOTE : This question appears to apply to all countries, as no distinction is made regarding different countries, something that could be considered misleading
UPDATED January 03, 2018:
Some Leatherman products are crafted to follow TSA specifications for a carry-on item. Those products are listed below. Other Leatherman products may be stowed in checked luggage that travels in the cargo area.
The following Leatherman products comply with current TSA regulations for carry-on items:
Juice CS3
Tread
Tread LT
Tread Metric
Brewzer
Grind
Hail + Style PS
Jam
Jam
Piranha 2
Thruster
Style PS
Pump
Rail
Cam
Leatherman’s travel-friendly products are specially designed to conform to regulations for commonly restricted areas and have successfully traveled through security at airports, theme parks, government buildings, schools, sporting events, and concerts throughout the world. They have been greeted not only with acceptance, but also with genuine interest and even excitement. Again no mention of country
Please note: Before carrying any Leatherman product on a flight or into any other restricted area, refer to the organization’s published sharp object policy for your own protection. Security agents, such as TSA representatives, have full discretion over allowable items for the safety of all passengers and international laws may vary. A discreet mention of potential problems, realising that maybe some countries may have different requirements
Current TSA policies are posted here: https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/prohibited-items. Leatherman does not warranty tools that are lost, stolen, or confiscated. I wish they did that, even if it was just for the US - that would show a strong belief/commitment in what they say
They specify TSA from the start of the answer. That is a United States government organization.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 16, 2018, 02:19:15 AM
And, as the TSA the real organization is one of the most restrictive of all the various (so-called) security organizations, its generally a safe bet that if they allow it then everyone else will too.
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Post by: pomsbz on March 16, 2018, 06:44:42 AM
European regulations says pliers are a no go, but small pocket knives are OK. TSA says any knife is a no go, but some pliers are OK. Have fun with international travel... ::)
The European airports still don't allow the pocket knives despite regulations though.
Post by: dks on March 16, 2018, 08:20:55 AM
They specify TSA from the start of the answer. That is a United States government organization.
They should have just said that, very clearly- someone reading this may assume that it applies in general and not just in the US. This is the main LM site, used by many people world wide. I know what TSA means (due to buying many of the tools they confiscate) but it should not be expected that all will know or google it.
"Our tools are only accepted on flights from the US (we do not know if you will be able to fly back with them), depending ofcourse on how the agent feels like, also taking into account that certain airlines may perform additional checks and have different requirements" at the beginning may help :)
Post by: dks on March 16, 2018, 08:23:36 AM
European regulations says pliers are a no go, but small pocket knives are OK. TSA says any knife is a no go, but some pliers are OK. Have fun with international travel... ::)
The European airports still don't allow the pocket knives despite regulations though.
It depends on what you look like, your reason etc. It is up to the police officer in charge
Post by: Steinar on March 16, 2018, 09:12:27 AM
And don't assume it's OK everywhere if it's OK in the US. My earlier example with pliers not being allowed in Europe is lifted straight from the official guidelines.
Post by: pomsbz on March 16, 2018, 09:46:34 AM
European regulations says pliers are a no go, but small pocket knives are OK. TSA says any knife is a no go, but some pliers are OK. Have fun with international travel... ::)
The European airports still don't allow the pocket knives despite regulations though.
It depends on what you look like, your reason etc. It is up to the police officer in charge
I'm confused, have they started allowing pocket knives on planes in Europe now despite that legislation saying it's ok? Certainly not in the UK where I was two weeks ago. They didn't even allow more than one lighter per person. Had to hand my wife my spare from my coat and it had to go in the little plastic baggy.
Post by: dks on March 16, 2018, 11:12:56 AM
It will depend on how the law (which allows for flexibility) is applied
Post by: Don Pablo on March 16, 2018, 12:15:33 PM
Post by: Steinar on March 16, 2018, 12:18:18 PM
European regulations says pliers are a no go, but small pocket knives are OK. TSA says any knife is a no go, but some pliers are OK. Have fun with international travel... ::)
The European airports still don't allow the pocket knives despite regulations though.
It depends on what you look like, your reason etc. It is up to the police officer in charge
I'm confused, have they started allowing pocket knives on planes in Europe now despite that legislation saying it's ok? Certainly not in the UK where I was two weeks ago. They didn't even allow more than one lighter per person. Had to hand my wife my spare from my coat and it had to go in the little plastic baggy.
UK isn't Europe. Whitehall is quite clear on that. ;)
I have travelled with a Vic 58 mm for years after it was once more allowed after 9/11. Countries following IATA rules allow pocket knives. The Schengen area follows IATA. UK is not part of Schengen and has in general a tendency to have stricter security controls. 91 mm Vics being on sale in Swiss airports is perfectly in line with current international regulations, but most places frown on those.
Post by: Don Pablo on March 16, 2018, 12:32:11 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2396327/Airport-security-farce-Deadlier-knives-used-9-11-sold-duty-free-taken-London-flight.html
This article is the definition of cringe worthy AND scaremongering, I think. :dwts:
Post by: Don Pablo on March 16, 2018, 12:50:12 PM
Daily fail refers to an attempted hijacking with a SAK.
When I looked up other sources, it was a either a ”small knife” or “nail clipper” or “nail file”. :facepalm:
Most likely to not be a knife, I think. :think:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-13184416
At the very least, daily mail seems to be the only one saying SAK.
Post by: eamo on March 16, 2018, 01:02:33 PM
I wouldn’t be too upset if the UK left the EU, if it meant the daily mail disappearing. :P ;)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2396327/Airport-security-farce-Deadlier-knives-used-9-11-sold-duty-free-taken-London-flight.html
This article is the definition of cringe worthy AND scaremongering, I think. :dwts:
:facepalm: actually :facepalm: :facepalm:
years ago my 3 then year old daughter was made take off her brand new shoes in stanstead (she traveled to London to get new shoes, the highlight of her trip); this caused a little friction between myself and the security person, needless to say i lost >:(.
Post by: Don Pablo on March 16, 2018, 01:57:55 PM
But she could have been hiding a sword in them! :facepalm:I wouldn’t be too upset if the UK left the EU, if it meant the daily mail disappearing. :P ;)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2396327/Airport-security-farce-Deadlier-knives-used-9-11-sold-duty-free-taken-London-flight.html
This article is the definition of cringe worthy AND scaremongering, I think. :dwts:
:facepalm: actually :facepalm: :facepalm:
years ago my 3 then year old daughter was made take off her brand new shoes in stanstead (she traveled to London to get new shoes, the highlight of her trip); this caused a little friction between myself and the security person, needless to say i lost >:(.
Post by: eamo on March 16, 2018, 02:44:30 PM
But she could have been hiding a sword in them! :facepalm:I wouldn’t be too upset if the UK left the EU, if it meant the daily mail disappearing. :P ;)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2396327/Airport-security-farce-Deadlier-knives-used-9-11-sold-duty-free-taken-London-flight.html
This article is the definition of cringe worthy AND scaremongering, I think. :dwts:
:facepalm: actually :facepalm: :facepalm:
years ago my 3 then year old daughter was made take off her brand new shoes in stanstead (she traveled to London to get new shoes, the highlight of her trip); this caused a little friction between myself and the security person, needless to say i lost >:(.
Well in the hands of a 3 year old a SAK would look a bit like a small sword
Post by: Don Pablo on March 16, 2018, 03:33:32 PM
Especially if it’s a Ranger. :DBut she could have been hiding a sword in them! :facepalm:I wouldn’t be too upset if the UK left the EU, if it meant the daily mail disappearing. :P ;)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2396327/Airport-security-farce-Deadlier-knives-used-9-11-sold-duty-free-taken-London-flight.html
This article is the definition of cringe worthy AND scaremongering, I think. :dwts:
:facepalm: actually :facepalm: :facepalm:
years ago my 3 then year old daughter was made take off her brand new shoes in stanstead (she traveled to London to get new shoes, the highlight of her trip); this caused a little friction between myself and the security person, needless to say i lost >:(.
Well in the hands of a 3 year old a SAK would look a bit like a small sword
Post by: theonew on March 16, 2018, 04:16:25 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 16, 2018, 11:19:14 PM
Gun T-shirt 'was a security risk
A man wearing a T-shirt depicting a cartoon character holding a gun was stopped from boarding a flight by the security at Heathrow's Terminal 5.
Brad Jayakody, from Bayswater, central London, said he was "stumped" at the objection to his Transformers T-shirt.
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Mr Jayakody said he had to change before boarding as security officers objected to the gun, held by the cartoon character.
Airport operator BAA said it was investigating the incident.
Mr Jayakody said the incident happened a few weeks ago, when he was challenged by an official during a pre-flight security check.
"He says, 'we won't be able to let you through because your T-shirt has got a gun on it'," Mr Jayakody said.
"I was like, 'What are you talking about?'.
"[The official's] supervisor comes over and goes 'sorry we can't let you through and you've a gun on your T-shirt'," he said.
Mr Jayakody said he had to strip and change his T-shirt there before he was allowed to board his flight.
"I was just looking for someone with a bit of common sense," he said.
"It's a cartoon robot - what threat is it to security or offensive to anyone at all?"
A BAA spokesman said there was no record of the incident and no "formal complaint" had been made.
"If a T-shirt had a rude word or a bomb on it, for example, a passenger may be asked to remove it," he said.
"We are investigating what happened to see if it came under this category.
"If it's offensive, we don't want other passengers upset."
If they are upset over a cartoon on a shirt then what hope do you have wearing a bracelet?
Def
Post by: kaput on March 16, 2018, 11:32:25 PM
1. More to the story
2. It's fake
Or 3. The security was just straight up smurfing with him, you ever see the movie super troopers.
Post by: Vidar on March 17, 2018, 12:09:32 AM
On the more action side I was once in the checking area when I noticed everyone around making their distance from me and my luggage, and security personell circling in on me from all around while moving away other people. There was quite the nervous mood on these people too, which made me slightly nervous - I had no desire to be their minute of crazy action that year. :ahhh
Well, keeping his distance one guy waved me over to my luggage and asked if I could open it. So I did. Then he asked me to take out the item with several cylindrical shaped objects connected by wires and some button. That didn't really ring a bell at all for me, so that was kind of a hard request to follow - my hapless non-compliance didn't help the mood. And I'm getting nervous about these usually bored and potentially trigger happy action people getting more nervous still.. Scared people often make bad decisions.
So I'm asked to remove one and one item from a certain section of my bag and put down to be scanned seperately. Eventually we found the culprit. I must have been one of the first to fly with a USB power pack... Afterwards I got to see how it had looked on their scans, and it sure looked suspicious. I guess once they've seen a few they got used to them.
As for multi-tools I've given up travelling with them in check-in luggage. By now I've lost several Micra and SAKs.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 17, 2018, 12:52:49 PM
There's either
1. More to the story
2. It's fake
Or 3. The security was just straight up smurfing with him, you ever see the movie super troopers.
I have seen it several times, and worse, I lived it for many years. Paul Blart too. :facepalm:
If I had to guess as to a cause of that particular incident, I would probably say that it was some manager, higher up and with little hands on experience telling the front line guys that they had to institute a "zero tolerance" policy, and saying something like "I don't care if they even just have a Browning or Mossberg shirt on, they get stopped!"
Management pouts off and says idiotic things like that a lot, and the front line guys, whether they are idiots or not are expected to follow it to the letter, much like the time when I was working a bar downtown and we were told that everyone had to be ID'ed, even if they look like they are in their 60's. So, I ID'ed everyone as instructed and I'm sure there are a lot of people out there talking about that idiot doorman checking ID's for people who are obviously old enough to get in.
The poor guy that had to check my M&M's was very apologetic, because even he knew what they were, and he had obviously been told to look.
Sometimes it isn't the idiot you are dealing with, but the bigger idiot pulling their strings.
Def
Post by: Fuzzbucket on March 17, 2018, 12:57:11 PM
As for multi-tools I've given up travelling with them in check-in luggage. By now I've lost several Micra and SAKs.
Really!? Gulp, you've got me worried now!
Post by: Don Pablo on March 17, 2018, 07:27:32 PM
+1 :ahhh
As for multi-tools I've given up travelling with them in check-in luggage. By now I've lost several Micra and SAKs.
Really!? Gulp, you've got me worried now!
Post by: Vidar on March 17, 2018, 10:59:21 PM
+1 :ahhh
As for multi-tools I've given up travelling with them in check-in luggage. By now I've lost several Micra and SAKs.
Really!? Gulp, you've got me worried now!
Sorry, cancel panic! My mistake! :oops: :twak: No travel with multi-tools in carry-on luggage. :)
Of course I've had my check-in luggage sent to wrong places entirely a few times, and once someone else took it at the destination airport.. (To their defense their bag was quite similar and they did leave theirs to me).
I think it was SAS who used to have the infamous sign at the wall behind check in counter: "We take your luggage and send it all over the world".. Now, who wouldn't want that? ::) :D
Post by: Fuzzbucket on March 17, 2018, 11:47:05 PM
+1 :ahhh
As for multi-tools I've given up travelling with them in check-in luggage. By now I've lost several Micra and SAKs.
Really!? Gulp, you've got me worried now!
Sorry, cancel panic! My mistake! :oops: :twak: No travel with multi-tools in carry-on luggage. :)
Of course I've had my check-in luggage sent to wrong places entirely a few times, and once someone else took it at the destination airport.. (To their defense their bag was quite similar and they did leave theirs to me).
I think it was SAS who used to have the infamous sign at the wall behind check in counter: "We take your luggage and send it all over the world".. Now, who wouldn't want that? ::) :D
Phew... I was worried there....
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohzdQaO3Z8FAaqF7q/giphy.gif)
Post by: Don Pablo on March 18, 2018, 12:00:53 AM
:D :rofl:+1 :ahhh
As for multi-tools I've given up travelling with them in check-in luggage. By now I've lost several Micra and SAKs.
Really!? Gulp, you've got me worried now!
Sorry, cancel panic! My mistake! :oops: :twak: No travel with multi-tools in carry-on luggage. :)
Of course I've had my check-in luggage sent to wrong places entirely a few times, and once someone else took it at the destination airport.. (To their defense their bag was quite similar and they did leave theirs to me).
I think it was SAS who used to have the infamous sign at the wall behind check in counter: "We take your luggage and send it all over the world".. Now, who wouldn't want that? ::) :D
Phew... I was worried there....
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohzdQaO3Z8FAaqF7q/giphy.gif)