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Tool Talk => Cheap and Cheerful (or otherwise!) => Topic started by: Lynn LeFey on December 18, 2017, 11:39:22 PM
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The GODS ON HIGH, in their pink kayaks, have given me a quest. Verily!
Grant asked me to pick up on the '$X Challenge', to see what I, queen of junk drawer multitools, would come up with getting 10 multitools, each under $5.
This challenge is going to take a bit of time. Some I can get locally. Some are going to have to be gathered from the interwebs. Some might take some late night ninja hunting on the bay of E.
But I'm confident I'm up to the challenge.
I'll show you all what I got for the first part. What could be found locally.
First stop: A few days ago, I was cruising through my local Dollar Tree, looking for cheap and cheerful survival items from a dollar store, and noticed they had a swiss army style knife. 'Dubious' doesn't really do my feelings justice. I passed on it the other day, but now I've been CHALLENGED, and at $1 plus tax (grand total $1.09), that thing is IN.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4734/24280244397_133694f648_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CZyAKp)
Next stop, a local pawn shop. I've had good luck there, and recently scored a Victorinox Princess from there for $1. Today? Complete bust. Sad. A second pawn shop I go to often was also a no-go. They had swiss army style knives... for about twice what they cost new. (Sigh) Okay, shake it off, Lynn. You're a multitool hunting BEAST. Right!
The third pawn shop had a case of reasonable stuff, and two of them followed me home. Total was $4 each. Okay, literally $7.99 for both, so... half a cent less than $4 for each. But the guy said 8, walked off with my money and didn't give me my penny back. Smurfing penny thief!
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4725/24280244647_9d2c0f4085_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CZyAPH)
I checked two consecutive Auto Parts stores. They each had one dinky multitool for $10, the kind usually marked at $5. Frustrating. But I move on.
My next stop was Home Depot. I was frankly shocked. No budget holiday Leatherman on offer at all? Wha..? That was a Holiday Tradition that was as sacred as 'Grandma Got Ran Over By A Reindeer.' Well... fine. There was only one other place in town for me look.
I know they have multitools.
They are THE soulless Corporate Monstrosity, and it hurts my heart to set foot in that wretched hive of consumerism.
Yeah... Walmart. (shudder).
But here's the truth, whether or not I like it. They have some multitools at under $5 that aren't complete garbage. And I got one of each, the SAK knockoff, and the plier based tool, both branded 'Ozark Trail'. $3.87 each, total $8.44 after tax.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4589/24280244157_faf189343d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CZyAFg)
That'll do for now. I'll post reviews on the tools individually, in their own threads, and link from this thread. Wish me luck. Finding those gems in a pile of garbage still requires one to crawl through the garbage. So... (sigh)... Here goes...
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:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
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Yes! I've always loved your threads like this Lynn, so I'm really looking forward to watching this one!
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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Why do we find cheapos so exciting? :like:
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Why do we find cheapos so exciting? :like:
Because sometimes they get shot by high powered rifles! >:D
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Why do we find cheapos so exciting? :like:
Because sometimes they get shot by high powered rifles! >:D
And get blown up by the U.S Military! :D
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Walmart has the Camillus Captor MT for $5 right now locally. You know it better as the infamous les straud (sp?) MT. Same tool, but $5. I bought one. It is god awful. :tu:
Their LED lighted OT is $5 right now as well. If you can find them. Seems they are selling out quickly for the holidays as gag gifts. :rofl:
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My first review is on the Dollar Tree 'Tool Bench Hardware' SAK-knockoff. Here's the link to that thread...
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75095.0.html
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4685/38430875844_f242fcbf56_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21y1htE)
Thanks for the heads-up on other Walmart possibles.
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I thought I'd give an update, just not on a specific tool. Hubby's asleep, and I can't be banging around the house, testing tools. So, I'm surfing the net, and thought I'd give a look into the mind of a multitool-hunting net-ninja.
First... I can't come to any REAL conclusion that a little keychain grappling hook is a 'multitool'. That doesn't mean I'm not eyeballing it REAL HARD. If Luke Skywalker has taught me nothing else, he's taught me that at least TWICE in a trilogy, you're going to need a grappling hook. :D
I can't help but think if this were a $10 challenge, it probably wouldn't be worth being in the 'Cheap and Cheerful' board. I'd go get pile of used Victorinox knives and boom, done. :D
Might even be able to slide in a few Leatherman and Gerber items.
Why does it cost me $7 to ship anything ANYWHERE in the U.S. and you can get free shipping on sh!t from China?!?
More thoughts to come, I'm sure.
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Great stuff so far Lynn :like: :like:
Can't wait to see which of these will reign supreme :D
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I'm also following this thread with interest. Curiosity may be a better word.
I really don't know why but I agree with others on the threads about cheapos being exciting. Seems contrary to what a dedicated forum's view on these should be, but that is how it is. :think:
Let's see what you manage to do with those!! :salute:
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Walmart has the Camillus Captor MT for $5 right now locally. You know it better as the infamous les straud (sp?) MT. Same tool, but $5. I bought one. It is god awful. :tu:
Their LED lighted OT is $5 right now as well. If you can find them. Seems they are selling out quickly for the holidays as gag gifts. :rofl:
That would be so sweeet... a real competitor, not some knock off smurf :rofl:
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On the Walmart website, the Camillus Captor is listed at $11.90. I didn't see any in the store, so don't know if they would be cheaper there.
I can say for certain that it's not exactly the same as the Engage. IT seems to have an awl or reamer. It also looks like the drivers don't have the wonky bend that the Engage had. Still, many shared components, I'm sure.
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I've started the thread for the second competitor. The Ruby scaled SAK-knockoff seen in the second pic of the first post.
Don't miss any of the exciting action in that thread as Lynn marvels at the ...uhh... tries not to put an eye out with the questionable quality of that tool.
'Ruby' small SAK Knockoff.
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75107.new.html
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4685/38281477645_14512fb1e3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21jNzAD)
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I don't want this to seem like a shameless plug, but... meh.
I found an interesting way to get actual Swiss Army Knives for under $5 each (in the U.S.). Only one catch... you have to get 5 of them. They'll all be 2 layer models. Choices are Victorinox Spartans, Tourists, Recruits, and Wenger Commanders.
So... up in the upper right hand corner to this site is a link to 'MTO Store'. On that site, look under 'Used Items'. Select the models you want. With shipping to the U.S., 5 of them work out to under $5 each, $24.60 for the 5, or $4.92 each exactly (as of the time of this writing). 4 of them would be $21.44, or $5.36 each, JUST over the $5 limit. Your selection doesn't have to be 5 of all the same model, either. Get any combination of those you want.
I have gotten a fairly large number of used SAKs from Felinevet/MTO Store. Occasionally there are missing toothpicks/tweezers. Maybe not pretty, and usually in need of a little cleaning, but solid knives.
I kind of feel like I'm giving away one of my 'secret stash' hidden gems, but I thought this should at least be considered. If i fail to win an auction on ebay in reasonable time, I might fall back to this as a way to get a legit name-brand tool into the running.
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I was going to do the shameless plug, but as you beat me to it.... here's the link:
https://store.multitool.org/departments/-102victorinoxwenger-models-2layer-141.html#/39-knife_type-victorinox_spartan
Yes, this is probably the best deal on a $5 you are going to get, but I am very interested in seeing what other cool stuff you come up with. :tu:
Def
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In digging through ebay for bargains, I have come across the greatest named tool ever.
"Multifunctional Anti-Explosion Plier"
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Multi-tool-Knife-Survival-Tool-Pliers-Set-Adjustable-Wrench-Jaw-Screwdriver/263387109941?epid=15010814941&hash=item3d53185a35:g:80QAAOSwIJlaJOBL
:rofl:
It is, of course, a knock-off of the Gerber Multi-Plier MP600 DET.
But that is the best name ever.
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In digging through ebay for bargains, I have come across the greatest named tool ever.
"Multifunctional Anti-Explosion Plier"
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Multi-tool-Knife-Survival-Tool-Pliers-Set-Adjustable-Wrench-Jaw-Screwdriver/263387109941?epid=15010814941&hash=item3d53185a35:g:80QAAOSwIJlaJOBL
:rofl:
It is, of course, a knock-off of the Gerber Multi-Plier MP600 DET.
But that is the best name ever.
I would be laughing, but I bought one of those fakes eons ago and recently tried to use the combo blade on a beater MP600(keep in the car) to replace a broken wharncliffe blade. I went to drill out the tang hole and burned up a cobalt drill bit trying to open it to fit the Gerber pivot pin. I was using cutting fluid as well! The steel is actually VERY well heat treated. Surprised the smurf out of me! The file was the same way, as well as the "C4" spike. The drivers are soft though.
Anti-Explosion MAY be correct. At least for the spike, blade, and file. :rofl:
That drill bit costed me about $18. Twice what it would have costed to send the 600 back to Gerber. :facepalm:
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Oh... you HAVE one of those Chinese knock-offs? Hey... uhh... you maybe interested in selling it to me for $5? Still looking for a couple more tools for this challenge. :D
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Oh... you HAVE one of those Chinese knock-offs? Hey... uhh... you maybe interested in selling it to me for $5? Still looking for a couple more tools for this challenge. :D
PM sent about the fake gerber det.
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Somewhere, on a slow boat from China, is a Multifunctional Anti-Explosion Plier on its way to this very challenge! :D
Thank you, gerleatherberman! :drink:
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Somewhere, on a slow boat from China, is a Multifunctional Anti-Explosion Plier on its way to this very challenge! :D
Thank you, gerleatherberman! :drink:
that ought to be funny. :tu:
Mine didn't last a year...under normal use :rofl:
(https://i.imgur.com/3Z6RWaL.jpg)
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Somewhere, on a slow boat from China, is a Multifunctional Anti-Explosion Plier on its way to this very challenge! :D
Thank you, gerleatherberman! :drink:
You're very welcome Lynn!
BUT, they are not coming from China. They have already made their way to California from China. Should arrive Dec 26th-Jan 3rd. :tu:
I say "they", because I ordered another for myself going to my adress. Haha Yours is shipping straight to your address though. You'll likely get yours before I get mine, but it won't be long. Muwhahaha
The $8 version we saw comes directly from China from what I can tell. The guy in Cali prolly bought hundreds for $3 each and sells them for $11 using $3 postage.
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https://www.gun.deals/node/507586
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https://www.gun.deals/node/507586
Shipping takes that one out of the running. :facepalm:
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Unless there is a cabalas around
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There is a Cabela's in the metro area, but about half an hour from me.
The problem is... I've had one of those things before. If it's the one I remember, it literally fell apart on me.
Still, It should be considered.
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https://www.gun.deals/node/507586
That site should be ashamed to sell that. Cabela's should be ashamed to put their name on it.
But, Lynn should be proud to 'test' one. :rofl:
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That site should be ashamed to sell that. Cabela's should be ashamed to put their name on it.
But, Lynn should be proud to 'test' one. :rofl:
Why do you all hate me? Why does my suffering amuse you so? :rant:
:rofl:
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That site should be ashamed to sell that. Cabela's should be ashamed to put their name on it.
But, Lynn should be proud to 'test' one. :rofl:
Why do you all hate me? Why does my suffering amuse you so? :rant:
:rofl:
It is not so much the suffering(which is amusing in the context that you're known for setting out to truly "test" these cheap MTs). But, you just put your MT misery into a more humorously eloquent and descriptive form than most people would. I had the best time laughing at the way you made sure Les Straud knew the MT his name is on was garbage. I'm surprised he did not personally thank you for that. :rofl:
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I thought I'd give you all a glimpse of things to come.
I just won a bid on 2 Vic Classics for $9.24 with shipping on ebay. Or $4.62 each. One of them will be a contender. The other... will probably go on my keychain for a while, then get given to some poor multitoolless soul.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4591/39189680981_993aeaa611_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/22H4mNR)
Two other items I've ordered...
A Swisscard knockoff I found on Amazon for $3.58
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4679/38313662825_46d5d86d01.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21nDx8x)
And another card tool, from Aliexpress for $2.30
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4735/38313662735_a56c4dd853_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21nDx6Z)
The original idea was 10 tools for $5 each. But as some of these are a fair amount under $5, I will try to get as many tools as possible for the allotted $50. So, I'll go over 10 tools by some measure.
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All of the tools listed so far, plus $5 for the Gerber MP600 knock-off and $5 for another tool I've picked up bring my total thus far to $38.03, if I did my math right.
I'll be able to manage at least two more tools. MAYbe 3. We'll see.
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You're buying a fake gerber for $5 from someone who has to buy it for $11 and forward it to you?
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This is Good. I generally acquired most of my cheap and cheerfuls when I didn't have options, usually when I was going to be away from home for a whole weekend of
drunken debauchery, scented with regret and shame Bible study and quiet contemplation, and somewhere about 40 miles from home I'd realize I'd forgotten a knife or multitool and I'd buy whatever I could find in whatever was open on the side of the road. So, what I would like to know from your testing is if any of these would be good enough to be your only tool for, lets say 2 or 3 days?
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You're buying a fake gerber for $5 from someone who has to buy it for $11 and forward it to you?
I saw no rule against it. :D
In all truth, I found it at its lowest at $7.50 new. I'm sure given a bit of time, I'd have found one used for $5. And I DID offer to buy the one gerleatherberman beat up in a mod attempt. So... yeah, I'm okay with this.
This is Good. I generally acquired most of my cheap and cheerfuls when I didn't have options, usually when I was going to be away from home for a whole weekend of drunken debauchery, scented with regret and shame Bible study and quiet contemplation, and somewhere about 40 miles from home I'd realize I'd forgotten a knife or multitool and I'd buy whatever I could find in whatever was open on the side of the road. So, what I would like to know from your testing is if any of these would be good enough to be your only tool for, lets say 2 or 3 days?
Wow. That is maybe one of the best statements on a real reason an average MTO reader could actually use a review of bargain tools. Sometimes we're forced to improvise. Maybe I should add 'ubiquity' as part of the reviews. That is, how likely are you to be able to replicate the purchase? Any other thoughts on what you might want to know, from a 'gotta grab one ASAP' perspective? I DO mention whether the blades come sharp right out of the package, which to ME, is a major issue.
Zoidberg, the 'ubiquity' thing I mentioned above would also be a factor in replicating the purchase of the gerber knockoff at the price I'm getting.
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You're buying a fake gerber for $5 from someone who has to buy it for $11 and forward it to you?
I saw no rule against it. :D
In all truth, I found it at its lowest at $7.50 new. I'm sure given a bit of time, I'd have found one used for $5. And I DID offer to buy the one gerleatherberman bat up in a mod attempt. So... yeah, I'm okay with this.
Zoidberg, the 'ubiquity' thing I mentioned above would also be a factor in replicating the purchase of the gerber knockoff at the price I'm getting.
Its the same for the used Vics, no?
It will be kinda interesting to see, if you are better off buying a second-hand Vic (that might have gone through some abuse) or a new knock-off.
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It will be kinda interesting to see, if you are better off buying a second-hand Vic (that might have gone through some abuse) or a new knock-off.
I asked this question once before, in 'Good and Used versus New and Crappy' back at the beginning of 2013...
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,42133.0.html
That was asking for opinions. I've never actually tested it. We'll see how it works out.
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on the Gerber MP600 fake, please do NOT use the EOD spike as an icepick or to stab/perforate thick material, it folded on me and punched a hole through my jacket sleeve just a few millimeters from my forearm. :oops:
I was lucky not to end in the ER with a big hole in my arm
And I bent the can opener trying to open a can of Navy beans. Just saying :whistle:
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Thanks for the safety warnings. :D
Our next contender is the Walmart 8 Function Multitool (SAK knockoff). Coming in at $3.87 ($4.22 for me with tax) brand new. Jeez, I've about had my fill of SAK knockoffs. But this one seems to have some promise. Link to the testing thread...
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75140.new.html
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4683/27423479709_1dfbc07317_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HMjv6F)
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zoidberg,
I was going to sell Lynn the fake det, but realized it is too badly damaged to do testing on and even less safe than it was new! I would have taken $5 shipped for it, but that wouldn't have been much fun, now would it?
And...and...and...I HAVE seen those fake DETs for $5 shipped when it wasn't holiday season. It counts! :tu:
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I just thought I'd add some more thoughts from searching ebay.
There are a LOT of people who can't spell 'victorinox'. I suspect that could be to my benefit.
I've also found things being sold with 'letherman' in the description.
'Leathermen', however, gets COMPLETELY different results. :D
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:facepalm: "Leathermen." Thanks Lynn, now I have to try to go to sleep tonight with an image of the Village People singing YMCA running in my head.
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:facepalm: "Leathermen." Thanks Lynn, now I have to try to go to sleep tonight with an image of the Village People singing YMCA running in my head.
Full point to Lynn. :rofl:
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back the when I used to search intensivey for used tools on the net, I always searched for
"Victorinox", then "Vitorinox",
on Spanish websites and Apps for used stuff, as the name "Victor" is often misspelled and mispronounced as "Vitor" in most of Spain, especially rural areas and small towns or by old(er) people. I've found amazing things that way :rofl:
and then "Leatherman" it's also often written down or announced as "Lederman" which is the exact, directly-translated and pronounced word for "Leatherman" as we don't have any of those two words here so even when people read Leather-man they don't usually know what does it mean, so they go by pronunciation
and so you often get as many results or more by searching for the wrong term :ahhh
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I always see cheapo multitools in places like Ross, Bealls Outlet, Tuesday Morning, Burlington, Big Lots many sub $5. Don't know if any of these are local to you but they're basically chain outlet/discount stores.
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and then "Leatherman" it's also often written down or announced as "Lederman"
This did get me a few hits on ebay. Thanks for that tip. I would have never thought of that. :salute:
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Just won another lot on ebay for $20, shipped.
3 swisscard blades, 3 Vic Classic SDs, A Vic Tourist, a Wenger Evo 10, and an... unidentified but good looking equivalent to a Climber.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4683/27444534839_1fb1e88edf.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HPbq4a)
Still working on how to divide cost among individual items in a mixed lot but I think the plan is find the best cost I can for the item new, and use that to determine the 'share' of the item in a used lot. Looks like each blade is $4 new. Each Classic is $10 new, A Tourist is $19 new, an Evo 10 is $24 new, and a Climber (closest equivalent I can find) is $26 new. Added together gets me $111. 20/111 is ABOUT .18. So 18 cents on the dollar of new cost, making each blade $.72, Classics $1.80, Tourist $3.60, Evo 10 $4.32, and The Climber Equivalent $4.68. That makes them ALL eligible for use.
I'll also be using the $1.80 price on this Classic from this lot, instead of my previous $4.62 I managed in posts above.
This is, IMO, a REALLY good deal on this lot. So... how did I do it? As mentioned a few posts back, I was searching for misspellings of 'Victorinox'. With the spelling 'victronox', this lot came up. I ASSUME this guy had posted this lot before, because he had it at $25 or best offer. I offered $20 and he accepted.
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I always see cheapo multitools in places like Ross, Bealls Outlet, Tuesday Morning, Burlington, Big Lots many sub $5. Don't know if any of these are local to you but they're basically chain outlet/discount stores.
I checked a local Big Lots, and all they had were two Swiss Tech tools, and both were over $8. Thanks though, and the hunt will continue.
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I'm enjoying your journey.
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I'm enjoying your journey.
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That site should be ashamed to sell that. Cabela's should be ashamed to put their name on it.
But, Lynn should be proud to 'test' one. :rofl:
Why do you all hate me? Why does my suffering amuse you so? :rant:
:rofl:
It just does :dd: :D
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It has been great following these reviews of the cheapos :salute: :like:
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It has been great following these reviews of the cheapos :salute: :like:
Yep.. I'm glad I can get a Vic in good shape for 5$ :D
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I just finished testing on the Walmart Ozark Trail 8-function knife. As of this moment, it leads the pack in $5 tools.
Here's a link to that review again, for you lay bums that don't want to scroll up through the thread. :D
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75140.0.html
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Next contender for best $5 MT is a no-name PST Knockoff. Here's the thread to my review of that tool.
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75161.new.html
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4685/27469158879_34351f2f03_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HRmBVz)
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Sorry, I made a post to the wrong thread here. Message deleted.
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Okay, I think this is going to be the last competitor. I found this delightful lil guy at a local pawn shop yesterday.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4686/25384193868_ab3d9d2ba0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/EF7CsY)
It's stamped 'Mountain Quest' on one side, and 'Helena' on the other. A little searching online and I see a lot of 'Mountain Quest' tools marketed by 'Kutmaster'.
With tax, it was dead on at $5. The tool was marked at $5, but the guy brought the price down to be a total of $5 when presented with cash.
So, there's another tip for hunting for MTs for cheap at pawn shops. Take cash, it might save you a bit.
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And I've begun the review of the tool seen above. Here's the link to the Mountain Quest keychain multitool.
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75169.new.html
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4725/39255438241_29fbac9b50_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/22NSo9H)
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And the NEXT contender: Walmart's Ozark Trail 12-in-1 Multi Tool. Here's a link to that review...
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75175.0.html
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4642/38568018814_900011a1df_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21L8biC)
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And now for a moment of solemn contemplation.
Behold, the Canopic Jar of Financial Frugality.
The Reliquary of Questionable Inoxidability!
Yes, sealed with the holy relic, The Scissors Of Stroud!
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4736/39293421231_c0fb923c5e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/22Se4aR)
Also known as the peanutbutter jar I'm keeping the $5 Challenge contestants in.
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Here's a link to the thread on Used Vic Classics I got for the challenge.
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75187.0.html
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Yes, sealed with the holy relic, The Scissors Of Stroud!
Les also broke of his (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,71807.msg1486052.html#msg1486052). Maybe they should make them removable. :rofl:
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Well, I said in my review they kept stabbing me. Might as well put them to use stabbing something ELSE. :D
So, the lot of knives I won on ebay arrived today.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4683/27444534839_1fb1e88edf.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HPbq4a)
I'm not sure how I feel about it. Several of the knives were in pretty questionable condition. On one side, that doesn't make me happy, but on the OTHER, it really opens up the discussion about used tools. And one of the points I'd cover is that a lot of used tools you can find for good prices are going to require some service when you get them. That's just reality. In mine, all of the little 58mm knives were reluctant to open. The Wenger was a little sluggish opening and no snap closing. The black knife (which I'll identify later) was alright for opening the tools, but had a good deal of grime. The Vic Tourist was completely welded shut. I could barely move the small blade, and just managed to open the corkscrew. Nothing else would budge. Oh... and the whole pile smelled like an ashtray.
Now, you young'ins sit back and let me tell you how MY elders taught ME how to clean Swiss Army Knives... right here on these boards... a few years ago.
So, first thing is to gather up your cleaning supplies.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4731/39291378142_7810a160eb_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/22S3zQb)
Not shown but still very important is a roll of paper towels.
Into a hot bath with Dawn dish detergent they go. Let those things soak for a bit.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4680/24456712977_2eb4b3d35f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Dga3H8)
After soaking, this is what the water looked like...
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4589/24456712647_3ef1e769a7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Dga3Br)
Rinse thoroughly, and shake dry. At this point, there was good tool 'snap' opening and closing all the 58mm knives, the Wenger, and the Black knife. The Vic Tourist remained crusted shut. It went back into the bath for another round. I don't know what happened to it, but there was a lot of whitish powder on the aluminum scales, so I assume something corroded the aluminum a bit.
Next step is to hose those babies down with that WD40. The 'WD' in WD40 stands for 'Water Displacement'. While that's not the only thing it does, it does displace water VERY well. Stick the little nozzle into the toothpick and tweezer holes in the scales when you do this, as well as pivots.
Towel them off, and lubricate. I use 3-in-1, but if you plan to use them with food, then use mineral oil. And there you are.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4634/39291377982_95fc16bb25_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/22S3zMq)
The Tourist works now. Not as much snap as I'd like, but opens and closes without great effort.
The black knife? That's an Aitor, a Spanish made tool. Stamped with 'Police' on the scale, and has a toolset like a Victorinox Fieldmaster.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4592/38444698025_d09c997b5a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21ze8k8)
Someone didn't open the saw for the ebay pic. ThePeacent should be happy that an Aitor made it into this test, paired against a Vic and a Wenger. In fact, it's such a nice tool with so many functions, I think it's going to be a real contender for taking the $5 Challenge. I've seen you talk about Spain being proud of the Aitors. And I think you should be. :tu:
EDIT: Crap, forgot to extend backside tools on the Aitor: Phillips and awl.
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Some additional identification for the record on the above lot of knives. The Wenger is an Evo 10.
While the three 58mm Vics all LOOK like Classics, one of them is actually a Bijou. BIG difference... no lanyard ring. :D
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this is getting very onteresting :salute:
and I've also found on occasion how bad tools can come from the seller, that not being apparent in the pics or the seller's description :oops:
but these seem to be doing good
As for the Aitor, I'll just say that I've found their scissors quite lacking (in my uses, that is, and for my cutting needs :pok:) and their saws, while not wide (that is, thin from teeth to spine) cut quite well, maybe not SAK well but decently.
Their cales pop off really easy too, but that might be because my 4 Aitors were all previously used, owned and carried (and thus worn)
Looking forward to it!! :salute:
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If you have any way of figuring out the name of the Aitor model, I'd super appreciate it. My googling failed me.
EDIT:
In the long post above, about the ebay lot, I said I learned SAK cleaning just a few years ago here on these boards. And this is the exact thread, 'Cleaning an old vic?'
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,37114.0.html
This forum is always a great place to learn new things. I still appreciate all the assistance the kind folks here give. :salute:
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I couldn't decide if I wanted the Tourist or Evo 10 to be the official contender between those two, so I'm going to test them head to head, and let the winner 'advance'. Here's the thread comparing them.
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75206.new.html
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4594/25456366038_40afdc7aa5_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/EMuwJJ)
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Some additional identification for the record on the above lot of knives. The Wenger is an Evo 10.
While the three 58mm Vics all LOOK like Classics, one of them is actually a Bijou. BIG difference... no lanyard ring. :D
well you've got an old Aitor there, no longer made.
It belongs to the Serie Negra (Black Series) and it's their version of the Vic Huntsman . The Black Series were aimed at military, LEOs and non-civilians, and thus better quality and rarer. Some were Military Issue in the 80s. :tu:
Yours is a particularly rare model, without a name on its own, belonging to the "278" sub-series. :salute:
The closest I can give you is the 278.190 model, which is essentially a stag-handled version of yours:
https://www.filofiel.com/tiendaonline/aitor-278190-ciervo-p-12738.html?zenid=ff60b5268c322169291f3965a4071929
all the bail-ring models and all the black series were made before 2002, when the brand got sold, changed owners and production moved to China (that was :facepalm:)
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Some additional identification for the record on the above lot of knives. The Wenger is an Evo 10.
While the three 58mm Vics all LOOK like Classics, one of them is actually a Bijou. BIG difference... no lanyard ring. :D
well you've got an old Aitor there, no longer made.
It belongs to the Serie Negra (Black Series) and it's their version of the Vic Huntsman . The Black Series were aimed at military, LEOs and non-civilians, and thus better quality and rarer. Some were Military Issue in the 80s. :tu:
Yours is a particularly rare model, without a name on its own, belonging to the "278" sub-series. :salute:
The closest I can give you is the 278.190 model, which is essentially a stag-handled version of yours:
https://www.filofiel.com/tiendaonline/aitor-278190-ciervo-p-12738.html?zenid=ff60b5268c322169291f3965a4071929
all the bail-ring models and all the black series were made before 2002, when the brand got sold, changed owners and production moved to China (that was :facepalm:)
What a score, Lynn! :like:
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Some additional identification for the record on the above lot of knives. The Wenger is an Evo 10.
While the three 58mm Vics all LOOK like Classics, one of them is actually a Bijou. BIG difference... no lanyard ring. :D
well you've got an old Aitor there, no longer made.
It belongs to the Serie Negra (Black Series) and it's their version of the Vic Huntsman . The Black Series were aimed at military, LEOs and non-civilians, and thus better quality and rarer. Some were Military Issue in the 80s. :tu:
Yours is a particularly rare model, without a name on its own, belonging to the "278" sub-series. :salute:
The closest I can give you is the 278.190 model, which is essentially a stag-handled version of yours:
https://www.filofiel.com/tiendaonline/aitor-278190-ciervo-p-12738.html?zenid=ff60b5268c322169291f3965a4071929
all the bail-ring models and all the black series were made before 2002, when the brand got sold, changed owners and production moved to China (that was :facepalm:)
What a score, Lynn! :like:
Very cool info. Thank you, ThePeacent! :salute:
I spent another couple hours last night trying to find anything on this, and nothing was popping up. I could find ONE picture of another black-handled Aitor with the same tools, black scales, and bail, but it had a different style can opener. Idon't know what the timeline is for their can openers but I've seen Wenger style, Victorinox style, and the sort of hybrid style that this one has.
In somewhat unrelated news, I'm developing a bruise under my right thumbnail, from repeatedly opening reluctant multitools All the tools in that ebay lot were stiff, but I think the Tourist is the real culprit.
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The Wenger Evo 10 has been selected to move on to official Contender status. The Tourist has been eliminated. Not that it's not a great knife, but I feel that these two knives are too similar to consider both.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4591/39335960331_742664edd8_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/22VZ5yB)
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And here's the test thread for the Aitor Police Knife.
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75210.new.html
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4592/38444698025_d09c997b5a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21ze8k8)
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And now, for something completely different.
The Wildcard contestant in the $5 challenge. I purchased this at an 'antiques mall' for exactly $5.
The A&J Can Opener. It counts as a multitool, because it ALSO opens bottles. :D
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75221.new.html
Here it is pictured with the Leatherman PST and a 91mm SAK for scale.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4597/39291378452_cc173f13b0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/22S3zVw)
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Lynn,
You're in for a treat. Got my 'anti explosions pliers' today and they even say Gerber USA on them. :rofl:
I won't give any spoilers, but DO get some tool oil out and ready for them. :tu:
Yours should be there anytime now!
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Lynn,
You're in for a treat. Got my 'anti explosions pliers' today and they even say Gerber USA on them. :rofl:
I won't give any spoilers, but DO get some tool oil out and ready for them. :tu:
Yours should be there anytime now!
Just got mail. Woot! They have arrived! :mail:
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Lynn,
You're in for a treat. Got my 'anti explosions pliers' today and they even say Gerber USA on them. :rofl:
I won't give any spoilers, but DO get some tool oil out and ready for them. :tu:
Yours should be there anytime now!
now that you've got all the real deals you had to start acquiring Chinese knockoffs :facepalm:
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now that you've got all the real deals you had to start acquiring Chinese knockoffs :facepalm:
OOooohhh, no. This challenge STARTED with a chinese knockoff. I'm just carrying on deeply rooted traditions of cheap tool acquisition. :D
And, the review thread for the Gerber MP600 DET Knockoff 'Anti-Explosion Plier' has begun...
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75224.new.html
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4735/39356512141_70ee896ac6_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/22XNpUa)
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Eliminations!
Understanding that i still have two card-type tools to review, I thought I'd eliminate some of the competitors.
I figured I'd start by picking the best keychain tool, pocket tool, and full size plier tools.
Keychain tools
There are really only 2 tools that qualify as keychain tools. The Used Victorinox Classic, and the Mountain Quest
Testing thread on the used Classic...
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75187.msg1607086.html#msg1607086
And the thread for the Mountain Quest
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75169.0.html
Of these, I have to give it to the Mountain Quest. As much as I love the Classic, adding the additional weight for the Mountain Quest gets you a LOT more function.
Pocket Tools
For pocket tools, We have a pretty wide selection. The Dollar Tree SAK knockoff, the 'Ruby' small SAK knockoff, the Ozark Trail 8-in-1 knife, The Wenger Evo 10, and the Aitor Police Knife.
The Dollar Tree knife thread...
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75095.0.html
Thread for the 'Ruby' small SAK knockoff.
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75107.0.html
The Ozark Trail 8-in-1 SAK knockoff test thread...
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75140.0.html
The thread for the Evo 10 (vs. Vic Tourist)
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75206.0.html
And the test thread for the Aitor Police knife.
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75210.0.html
I'm afraid that this was, quite by accident, no contest. Minus the blades needing work, the Aitor was far and away the most useful SAK-like tool here.
Full Size Plier Tools
There were three competitors of this type, a PST Knockoff, the Ozark Trail 12-in-1 Multi Tool, and the Gerber MP600 DET knockoff.
Test thread for the PST knockoff.
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75161.0.html
Test thread for the Ozark Trail 12-in-1 Multi Tool
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75175.0.html
And the final contestant in this category, the MP600 DET knockoff
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75224.0.html
This is a fairly close contest between the DET knockoff and the Ozark Trail, but I'm giving it to the Ozark Trail 12-in1.
The Wildcard
The last contestant (so far, with two yet to get to my door) is the A&J Can Opener.
The Test thread for it...
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75221.0.html
While an interesting bit of old tech, it's too close to 'single purpose' to REALLY compete as a useful daily multitool. It's also not great for carrying around. And it's rusty. And dangerous. :D
FINALISTS
The Mountain Quest keychain plier-based mini MT, from a Pawn Shop.
The Aitor Police knife, a beautiful piece from the mid-late 1970s, a lucky buy from a lot of knives on ebay.
And the Ozark Trail 12-in-1 Multi Tool, a full size plier-based multitool, with nice belt sheath, available new at Walmart right now.
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And of the three?
THE WINNER
I think this pretty clearly has to go to the Aitor.
HONORABLE MENTION
BUT... as an item that anyone can get (at least right now in the U.S.) , the Walmart 12-in-1 Multi Tool takes honorable mention.
STILL WORTH $5
I was perfectly happy with the Ozark Trail 8-in-1 SAK knockoff. Right out of the package, it was a good basic knife. The Mountain Quest keychain tool was worth $5 easily, and you will NEVER go wrong with a legitimate Swiss Army Knife, here represented by both a Victorinox Classic, and Wenger Evo 10. If you spend $5, and get a SAK in decent condition, you could have that knife for the rest of your life.
DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY
The worst tools I tested was the $1 Dollar Tree knife, and the PST Knockoff. Not worth it. The $1 knife IS, IMO, worth $1. but at the $5 price range, you can do better.
So, that's it. given a little time, patience, and sometimes luck, you can get some pretty amazingly good tools for $5.
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What's the takeaway on this?
I was asked if it's better to get good-and-used or New-and-cheap.
And the problem is this... That's a really hard question to answer. The Ozark Trail Multi Tool is good right out of the package. It's never going to be GREAT, but it's good. The Aitor was GREAT, but I had to essentially reprofile the blades. That's a skill (and some specialized equipment) that not everybody has.
On the other side of that, the Evo 10 was also used, from the same lot as the Aitor, and that thing was in essentially new condition. The blade was still super sharp. But that was one of 6 MTs in that lot.
The answer, TO ME, to this question is this: If you have the skill and the patience to put into cleaning/sharpening a used tool, it's going to be better to buy good-and-used. If you don't have the inclination or skill, then there are still decent tools to be had new-and-cheap.
I might not like Walmart as a business model, but they put out two GOOD inexpensive MTs this year, the 8-in-1 SAK-knockoff, and the 12-in-1 Multi Tool. BOTH worth the price.
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I've got a bunch of stuff going on over this weekend, New Years Eve, a Disc Golf Tournament on New Years Day, and my birthday on the 2nd. So, I might not be super active on responses to this and related threads for a few days, but wanted to thank you all who've been following and commenting on this and related thread.
And a final special thanks to Grant and MTO, who actually footed the $50 bill to buy these tools. If you like these sorts of crazy shenanigans, maybe consider donating the MTO to keep the lights on.
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Why do nice things come to an end? :cry:
Thanks for doing these, and thanks to Grant for facilitating this. I really enjoyed the tests and write-ups. :tu:
Now, to find a black aitor for $5... :rofl:
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Why do nice things come to an end? :cry:
Thanks for doing these, and thanks to Grant for facilitating this. I really enjoyed the tests and write-ups. :tu:
Now, to find a black aitor for $5... :rofl:
I kinda guess that is the point... second hand takes the win (provided you have some skills at restoration) but largely depending on availability. I bought a '64 soldier for a dollar (it has been used as a hammer :-\, though it was still in good condition) and can get basic SAKs (2/3 layers) for 2-3$ all in good working order. But SAKs are really abundant here. I cannot get used pliers based MTs and no cheapos even close to 5$ new.
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Why do nice things come to an end? :cry:
Thanks for doing these, and thanks to Grant for facilitating this. I really enjoyed the tests and write-ups. :tu:
Now, to find a black aitor for $5... :rofl:
I kinda guess that is the point... second hand takes the win (provided you have some skills at restoration) but largely depending on availability. I bought a '64 soldier for a dollar (it has been used as a hammer :-\, though it was still in good condition) and can get basic SAKs (2/3 layers) for 2-3$ all in good working order. But SAKs are really abundant here. I cannot get used pliers based MTs and no cheapos even close to 5$ new.
None of both categories here...
Bought an older unused Mountaineer for €4 2 years ago. Didn't find any cheapos since then.
I also noticed that alot of people here tend to look up a price online prior to selling something. But not with SAKs.
Then they're more like "it's a REAL swiss army knife!" And ask €5-10 for a scratched up Spartan :facepalm:
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This was a smurfin' good testing! :hatsoff: :like:
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thanks a lot for the fun and interesting things you've shared with us in these threads. :tu:
it's been an interestingly weird comparison, and I feel like this confirms that most times is preferable to get a "good one used" than a "very cheap but new" tool, especially if you're into restoring or can easily put them in working order.
I've acquired many of both myself and in the long run the restored but quality tools tend to outlast the others and get cherished/loved more as you build stories wand memories with them like the previous owner(s) did. ::)
I can acquire a used Surge for $60 here any day, or a good working second hand Spirit for $50, something really nice if you are starting or really wanting to try out a quality piece
As for the aitor, I didn't doubt it woukd do good but as you stated it needed quite a bit of maintenance, the previous owner must've been quite unforgiving with it. Yet it still lasted and was able to get back to business. Try that with a $5 cheapo... :ahhh
As for finding cheap Aitors, it's like quality SAKs and good Multis, keep an eye for long enough and you'll eventually find a gem at a very low price that the seller must think it's another dollar tree tool, or that just wants to get rid of it :salute:
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Why do nice things come to an end? :cry:
There's no need to say this is the end. It's just my 'official judgement'.
And that's not even 100% complete. I have tools that will arrive at SOME point for testing, and there is a (admittedly microscopic) chance that one of them actually knocks the Aitor out of the top slot.
I also love discussing this, so feel free to keep the comments flowing!
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I thought I'd share this. I think I mentioned at some point that I was breaking nails trying to get some of these tools open. I have really strong nails, and i don't keep them long.
Here's a look at my right, middle finger nail. Please excuse that my nails aren't nicely done. 'Cheap tool review' and 'manicure' are mutually exclusive concepts. Notice under the nail bed, the red marks, where the nail partially tore away from the nailbed. Very minor tear, but still. That's from trying to get the crusted-shut Tourist open, I think.
I suffer for my art. :rofl:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4681/39399295701_d8fd1e3978_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/232zFXK)
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The battle scar of a cheap MT warrior! :like:
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Lynn
Thank you for all the work that went into this thread. Also thanks for the self sacrifice (nails) - you took one for the cause. :D
John.
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Lynn, I have always enjoyed your threads. :tu: :salute:
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Say, Lynn, have you ever come across this particular knife at your local Dollar Tree?
(https://i.imgur.com/wC0iq3B.jpg)
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Say, Lynn, have you ever come across this particular knife at your local Dollar Tree?
(https://i.imgur.com/wC0iq3B.jpg)
Holymoly this is brilliant... it has a built in stainless steel soap
(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1G6V4RpXXXXcUXVXXq6xXFXXXd/Limit-buy-Magic-Soap-Odor-Remover-Stainless-Steel-Soap-Kitchen-Bar-Eliminating-Odor-Remover.jpg)
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I have not seen that tool before, and...
Stainless steel soap? Whaa? :rofl:
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A piece of brass "soap" would at least be anti bacterial... ::)
A stainless steel bar of "soap" is utterly useless. :facepalm:
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It's not really soap per se, I think it's a reaction between the stainless steel and the residue of produce such as onions that neutralizes odors. However, a copper soap bar is actually antibacterial--the building that houses the nursing school of my local community college uses copper door handles for that reason.
As for the Tourist, hose it down in WD-40 and let it set. That's what I always do. Of course, I thought that was the problem on my M1908 Elsener Soldier. It was part of it, but it's mostly the strong springs on that knife. First time I tried to open the screwdriver, it ripped out a good chunk of my left thumbnail. However, it eventually loosened up after repeated cleanings and oilings due to use.
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As for the Tourist, hose it down in WD-40 and let it set. That's what I always do.
The Tourist is working like new now.It doesn't even feel stiff.
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Lynn, if you want to review the soap-shaped knife (that Dollar Tree saw is sure to be incredible), PM me an address and I'll send it your way.
Not even sure why I bought it now.
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Lynn, if you want to review the soap-shaped knife (that Dollar Tree saw is sure to be incredible), PM me an address and I'll send it your way.
Not even sure why I bought it now.
Thank you, sir, but I'm working on something else at the moment.
YOU could review it. :pok:
The world needs more cheap and cheerful tools reviewed by people just like you. I can't do it all alone. Other brave souls have to step up and wade through the shii..... Uhh... I mean... 'experience the joy of inexpensive, yet high quality tools'. :D
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While I've already 'unofficially' crowned a winner, I did have a couple stragglers to review, and here's one of them.
A Swisscard Knockoff.
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75321.new.html
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4679/38814707594_3fd7e6ffe7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/228Vwhs)
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I was going to post this in the deals section but maybe it's more appropriate here, since I've never heard of it.
$5.97 shipped, so maybe it doesn't qualify.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71zsX5BPH-L._SL1500_.jpg)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07211YTVX/ref=twister_B0776MY69T?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
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I was going to post this in the deals section but maybe it's more appropriate here, since I've never heard of it.
$5.97 shipped, so maybe it doesn't qualify.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71zsX5BPH-L._SL1500_.jpg)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07211YTVX/ref=twister_B0776MY69T?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
The first thing that came to mind was "cute mini wave! :ahhh ".
I wonder how big it actually is. :think:
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I was going to post this in the deals section but maybe it's more appropriate here, since I've never heard of it.
$5.97 shipped, so maybe it doesn't qualify.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71zsX5BPH-L._SL1500_.jpg)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07211YTVX/ref=twister_B0776MY69T?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
The first thing that came to mind was "cute mini wave! :ahhh ".
I wonder how big it actually is. :think:
Check the Amazon user images. There's a pic of it next to a Wingman. It's bigger than the Wingman, if you don't care to go searching.
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I was going to post this in the deals section but maybe it's more appropriate here, since I've never heard of it.
$5.97 shipped, so maybe it doesn't qualify.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71zsX5BPH-L._SL1500_.jpg)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07211YTVX/ref=twister_B0776MY69T?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
The first thing that came to mind was "cute mini wave! :ahhh ".
I wonder how big it actually is. :think:
Check the Amazon user images. There's a pic of it next to a Wingman. It's bigger than the Wingman, if you don't care to go searching.
Delusion smashed.... :cry:
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Looks like a rebranded Cima.
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I thought I'd do a bit of a follow-up on this.
I have purchased a few other Sub-$5 tools since the challenge ended. More by chance than design.
I got a combo pack with a 'FRED' knockoff from Marbles. It was $11.66 for the pack, and I figure the 'FRED' was worth maybe $2 of that. My husband reported that it is useful if you're only trying to eat cheesecake. Good to know. :D For those that do not know, the 'FRED' short for 'Field Ration Eating Device' was issued in Austrailian rations, much like the P-38 and P-51 can openers in U.S. rations. The FRED added a small spoon, earning it the nickname 'F***ing Ridiculous Eating Device'. The Marbles version goes one 'better', by cutting spork tines into it.
I won a lot on ebay with two 4-layer 91mm SAKs and a Classic SD for $20, making the Classic SD worth about $2.67. It has 'AG Edwards' printed on the back. The split ring was missing, and it needed a quick sharpening, but the scissors were in excellent condition, and overall a great knife.
I won another lot that contained 3 SAKs (a Climber, a Tinker, and a Waiter) for $15. Making both the Tinker and Waiter sub-$5. Both were excellent tools as they came, with all blades sharp, no rust, good snap to all the tools. That lot, actually, was one of the cleanest and nicest I've ever gotten. I would rate the Tinker as better than the Walmart SAK-knockoff, even without scissors.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4623/24877155227_2ea9eb908d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/DUiVxr)