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Title: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on August 23, 2016, 04:48:40 AM
2018 Update: This thread has now been 'stickied ' in the Swiss Army Knights board.
Wiki users: Please feel free to add suggestions or requests to this thread for Wiki updates, or to point out errors.
Wiki editors: Please use this thread to record significant changes you have made, or to float out ideas for changes
Do List: There is an editors' Do List that we will maintain at the bottom of this first post
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SAKWiki, as I am sure everyone on this board knows, is a brilliant and amazing source of information for SAK fans  :D
What is even better is that it was set up, and is maintained, by MTo members  :tu:
To those people, past and present, who created and look after our Wiki we are eternally grateful  :salute:

Several of us here maintain the Wiki and I thought it would be good to get a thread going where we record what we have done - so others can see, and maybe check it out.
Eg - I know a lot of work was done by a couple of members led by enki over the turn of the year to make some corrections following a software change.
And when I go in there I can see that other folk have done stuff  - Eg some good pictures have been recently added

I have done quite a bit of work on it this year - Most of it just minor corrections and format changes –  I rarely change the actual information content - But a few more significant updates.
Here’s my list:

New page
Significant restructuring of pages
Similar updates to multiple pages
Note: I did not do a systematic review/search of the whole site - I just update stuff when I see it!!
There you go I think that is pretty much it  :D

I am usually pretty good at recording the edits I make in the history section – So you can always see precisely what I did and compare with previous versions etc.
And please let me know if I have got anything wrong or if there are more additions - And of course if you are an existing editor you can correct it yourself.

And one plea for help to the more seasoned editors…
In the new Pioneer X page – Most of the page is OK - But the toc does not work
- I seem to have been taken to the wysiwyg editor. – And cannot fix it there – The help tells you how to get out of the wysy editor – But the button to do this is not there – So I cannot fix it.
- Can someone tell me how to do this please, or fix it themselves  :tu:

Cheers all

PS. I know there is a major chunk of work to do for the Delemonts and enki may organise this sometime – Watch this space!!

********************************************************* Do List: *********************************************************
This is a do list for the Wiki editors - Which we will try and maintain with requests and additions (from the end of the thread) - and deletions when completed
Note: This is more for major pieces of work - Hopefully minor updates/corrections will be done on the fly as now
Editors - Please feel free to complete any of the below
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Demel on August 23, 2016, 04:58:51 AM
Wow that's a lot of work. Thanks for letting us know about these updates
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: SAK Guy on August 23, 2016, 05:13:57 AM
Thank you!!!!!! 
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: cali-SAK-attack on August 23, 2016, 05:16:53 AM
 8) :salute: :like:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on August 23, 2016, 06:05:29 AM
SAKWIKI is an awesome place to get information all in one place. It has helped me a lot to gain more knowledge for our beloved knife.

I take this opportunity to thank everyone involved in setting this up and for the continued development.  Kudos.

Yesterday, a friend asked me for some info on an 84mm knife with metal saw which we couldn't find on SAKWIKI. Somehow stumbled on this:

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=56243.0

There are probably a lot of knifes still not listed. I hope this helps.

Again, thank you everyone for giving us SAKWIKI... :cheers:


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on August 23, 2016, 01:32:23 PM
Fixed the Pioneer X page for you.

http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Pioneer+X

You made it a bit too complicated with the code. No need for most of the extras. Text and a img code now and then to make it look better.

Check the format I used for the Main window and the Table of content. Also for the layer tools and such, no need for some links and similar. just use ((Scissors|Scissors for cutting :P )) where the first word is the link to that specific tool page and the second one is what will be displayed on the page. You can of course just use ((Scissors))


As for switching between the wysiwyg editor and the wiki editor, that bugged me to for some time until I realized how to switch between them and had a :doh: moment. :P

Top right corner of the Edit page, there is a Pencil icon, and when you hover above it, it says Switch Editor (wiki or WYSIWYG)  .....

Click it. :facepalm:


:D


Hope this helps. :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on August 23, 2016, 01:39:45 PM
As for the missing 84mm pages, a lot of the 91mm models we have today once came in 84mm format also. We just need pics of them and the manpower to make all the pages.

Same problem is what hindered me in making the Delemont pages. I created the layer pages, the module for them on the right of the screen and some other stuff, but the actual model pages will be a big project. I thought at first about using the scans from the catalogs for the pics, but as we all know, they aren't exactly always correct, and some of the mockups from the first catalogs were ... flawed ::)

So if someone has a Delemont and is willing to make a pic for it, go right ahead. We'll fix it if needed be but if you follow a code template from an older page, and just change out the text, there shouldn't be any big problems.

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on August 23, 2016, 01:43:44 PM
One thing that still needs to be done is to check ALL the pages for broken SOSAK links and link them from broken SOSAKonline to working swissarmyknights.com links. The problem being you have to find them in swissarmyknights archives first. :whistle:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: SteveC on August 23, 2016, 01:58:18 PM
Nice work guys  :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on August 23, 2016, 02:07:17 PM
Fixed the Pioneer X page for you.
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Pioneer+X
You made it a bit too complicated with the code. No need for most of the extras. Text and a img code now and then to make it look better.
.......
Top right corner of the Edit page, there is a Pencil icon, and when you hover above it, it says Switch Editor (wiki or WYSIWYG)  .....
.......
Hope this helps. :salute:

Thanks enki ........... The Master  :D  :salute:
To be honest I am not sure how I created the page - as you can see from the many versions/attempts  :o
I tried to use the template - I somehow ended up in the wysiwyg editor - I did a cut and paste from the Pioneer page - and lots of stuff got added in automatically - I think
 - Will deffo need some coaching if I am to help with the Delemonts !!  :facepalm:
I searched high and low for that pencil icon - As I read about it in the help text - And I still cannot see it   :twak:
Top right I seem to have the help button and a full screen toggle - Guess I am looking in the wrong place.

Anyway it's much better now and the reglar editor is back - And you included the Damascus piccie - Fantastic.

Thanks for all your help  :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on August 23, 2016, 02:18:05 PM
Top row, second on the right in the wiki editor and third from the right on the wysiwyg editor.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on August 23, 2016, 04:46:39 PM
Red arrow marks the spot

WIKI editor:
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh627/enki_ck/Mics/1_1.jpg)

WYSIWYG editor:
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh627/enki_ck/Mics/2_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: sLaughterMed on August 23, 2016, 04:51:15 PM
You know, we need editors for the Multitool Encyclopedia too  :whistle:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: pfrsantos on August 23, 2016, 06:20:07 PM
Wow that's a lot of work. Thanks for letting us know about these updates

+1

Thank you all for the effort and time you put in this.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

:hatsoff:  :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on August 23, 2016, 06:29:56 PM
Don't know if this is the right thread to share pics, but just in case.

The horn scaled 84mm is my friend's knife I was talking about earlier. It has the same tool configuration as the 91mm Grand Prix.

Would love to know more about this if anyone has info. Thanks.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160823/8722ff7e6be6b4a59724115a29371861.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160823/a42a4b1cc9310bb51af74c86108842d1.jpg)


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Poncho65 on August 23, 2016, 06:42:06 PM
Very nice work guys :cheers: I use the SAKwiki quite often and it is a great resource for me :tu:

You know, we need editors for the Multitool Encyclopedia too  :whistle:

This is very true and would love if we could get the MT Wiki updated as good as the SAKwiki :dd: as I have used it several times as well but no to the extent the SAKwiki is used because the SAKwiki is more complete :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on August 23, 2016, 07:02:55 PM
You know, we need editors for the Multitool Encyclopedia too  :whistle:

This is very true and would love if we could get the MT Wiki updated as good as the SAKwiki :dd: as I have used it several times as well but no to the extent the SAKwiki is used because the SAKwiki is more complete :tu:

Get your own thread in the General board! :megaslap:

:rant:



Sheesh, those Plier People ::) Always wanna be cool like the Swiss Mob. :whistle:





Seriously though, the software the wikis use is the same, so if one learns how to do edits and create pages on one, they can transfer the knowledge to the other wiki.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on August 23, 2016, 07:14:25 PM
Don't know if this is the right thread to share pics, but just in case.

The horn scaled 84mm is my friend's knife I was talking about earlier. It has the same tool configuration as the 91mm Grand Prix.

Would love to know more about this if anyone has info. Thanks.


Maybe better for a separate thread, but jazzbass calls the regular cellidor scaled one 135kmaU or the Small Grand Prix, pics are broken though.
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=21659.0
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on August 23, 2016, 07:19:19 PM
Don't know if this is the right thread to share pics, but just in case.

The horn scaled 84mm is my friend's knife I was talking about earlier. It has the same tool configuration as the 91mm Grand Prix.

Would love to know more about this if anyone has info. Thanks.


Maybe better for a separate thread, but jazzbass calls the regular cellidor scaled one 135kmaU or the Small Grand Prix, pics are broken though.
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=21659.0
Thanks for the info Enki...


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on August 24, 2016, 02:13:06 AM
Hi all

One of the reasons I signed up to MTO was to offer to do a bit of tidying on SAK Wiki, which I've found to be a fascinating read while thinking about what I want in my next SAK.  As a part of that research I pulled down all of the Victorinox 84mm and 91mm knife pages, and found a few things that complicated my efforts to clearly understand which knifes had which tools that offered which functions.  For example, the can opener tool seems to be described in all these ways:


What I thought might be nice is to tidy up all of the entries so that they and more consistent, and also use that new streamlined list to refresh SAK Selector with equivalent information. Using the knife-to-tool data that has been gather in the reverse direction could also build a tool-to-knife section on each tool page.  Finally, the tables of which knife has which features on the Layer N pages could possibly be updated to show all tool combinations, or similar.

Thoughts and guidance welcome.  I haven't register yet  >:D.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: ColoSwiss on August 24, 2016, 03:31:45 AM
A big THANKS to everyone working on cleaning up the Wiki!   :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on August 25, 2016, 02:05:25 AM
Hi all
One of the reasons I signed up to MTO was to offer to do a bit of tidying on SAK Wiki, which I've found to be a fascinating read while thinking about what I want in my next SAK.  As a part of that research I pulled down all of the Victorinox 84mm and 91mm knife pages, and found a few things that complicated my efforts to clearly understand which knifes had which tools that offered which functions.  For example, the can opener tool seems to be described in all these ways:
.......... long inconsistent list !! ........ :o
What I thought might be nice is to tidy up all of the entries so that they and more consistent, and also use that new streamlined list to refresh SAK Selector with equivalent information. Using the knife-to-tool data that has been gather in the reverse direction could also build a tool-to-knife section on each tool page.  Finally, the tables of which knife has which features on the Layer N pages could possibly be updated to show all tool combinations, or similar.
Thoughts and guidance welcome.  I haven't register yet  >:D.

Hey Little Tinker (nice name BTW!!),

Welcome to the forum and thanks for the offer of help
That can opener list is amazing - And funny - I guess the result of multiple authors over a long time, and a tool with several functions
 - As you may know - for these items there is a hyperlink underneath and some display text which the author can edit
For those in the know, I guess it is pretty obvious what the tool is - But for someone unfamiliar - these sorts of inconsistencies are confusing
- It sounds like a lot of work to clean up - Is there a clever automated way to do that? or is it just grunt.
(BTW you sound even more OCD than me!!)

The tool to knife and knife to tool links would be great too.
Detron on this forum created a spreadsheet like that and as you say there is the Selector..

I am just a novice editor (as you can tell) - But maybe enki or one of the other Wiki-meisters will be along soon!!

 :cheers:

Red arrow marks the spot
WIKI editor:
.......
WYSIWYG editor:
.........

Enki - Thanks for the piccies - I was going to ask for that
As I suspected - or hoped!!  (I did not think I was that blind or dumb) - we must have different authorisations - As no little pencil for me  :(

Here is what my editor screen looks like..
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on August 25, 2016, 02:33:38 AM
I'm here but I shoud be sleeping, it's past 2am here and I work in the morning. :facepalm:

The work threw the years was done by a few authors, and in spells of a few years, mostly not parallel with other authors. Red Ramage pioneered the whole thing and most of the original pages are his. Then came Stressmaster5000, then ICanFixThat and then I and basilio who did a lot for the Wenger pages. That's the ones who worked for longer periods of time, there are still many people who contributed to it, like Andy T. and many ones that were never even members of MTO.

That's why you notice as many different kinds if code as the software changed, some code no longer worked, new commands were added and everybody tried something new to battle the code. Even the code I did isn't consistent threw the years. :oops:

There is a batch edit option we did use prior to the call for help and new editors but it can't be used in all the cases. I'm not even sure where it is as those were always done by whoey. I broke the wiki once or twice so I'd rather not mess with that end of it.

I tried to fix part of it with the how to I posted some time ago to fix the main window on all the pages and make them uniform.

We could probably do a batch edit on the tools too as it only has to change out the letters after the ((tool|... to something we agree on. We just have to agree on some list and forward it to whoey.

One problem however that I see is that although most of the tool descriptions are for the same tool, just worded differently, there are still tool variations that are described in the text after the tool and that would get lost by such a batch edit. For instance the scissors on some Angler SAKs come to mind, those with the fishing led crimpers.

(Too much text for typing on the phone and in bed, sorry for the spelling)

I'll address the sakselektor question when I'm a bit more awake. ;)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on August 25, 2016, 02:37:10 AM
@Huntsman

Probably the reason for it. Yeah, I'm an admin there so have a few more permissions available. I'm not sure if anyone even uses the WYSIWYG editor. I'll talk to Whoey to have it disabled if he can, so as to only have the wiki editor available.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on August 26, 2016, 12:41:30 AM

Hey Little Tinker (nice name BTW!!),
Welcome to the forum and thanks for the offer of help

Thanks for the welcome.  The name has multiple meanings of course, happens to reflect parts of my character (as a friend noted "If it ain't broke we can still fix it"  :D), and my erstwhile vintage Tinker Small is one of my favourite SAKs  ;).  My first planned mod is also Tinker related  ;)...

That can opener list is amazing - And funny - I guess the result of multiple authors over a long time, and a tool with several functions
 - As you may know - for these items there is a hyperlink underneath and some display text which the author can edit
For those in the know, I guess it is pretty obvious what the tool is - But for someone unfamiliar - these sorts of inconsistencies are confusing
- It sounds like a lot of work to clean up - Is there a clever automated way to do that? or is it just grunt.
The tool to knife and knife to tool links would be great too.
Detron on this forum created a spreadsheet like that and as you say there is the Selector..

I am just a novice editor (as you can tell) - But maybe enki or one of the other Wiki-meisters will be along soon!!

 :cheers:

I'm intending that a lot of the edits should be automated, otherwise my enthusiasm could be dented.  I'm not expecting that to be too hard, but we'll see...

On reflection although those various rendition of the same information got a bit in the way of me digesting all the tool layer info into Excel (because I had to flatten them out) it won't be such a practical problem once I can see the raw Wiki source, so probably best to focus on new additions than tidying up perfectly usable current info.  My current ideas are:

- Knife page (eg Tinker Small (http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Tinker+84mm)): Leave for now, except maybe rejig thinks like key-ring to be a consistent scale or layer tool.  I need to be strong on this  :P...
- Tool page (eg Phillips Screwdriver Back Tool (http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Screwdriver-Phillips): Provide link to knives that have the tool, with indication of how many layers that knife has to give you a sense of whether it's likely to be what you're after.
- Size / layer pages (eg Victorinox 91mm 3 layer (http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+91mm+3+Layer+Models)): Expand table to have a column for each differentiating layer / back tool (probably not scale tools - too much noise)

And of course use similar info to refresh the Selector and give dynamic lookup / search as well as simple perusal of that static info.

(BTW you sound even more OCD than me!!)

You could be right   :o...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on August 26, 2016, 08:36:00 AM
I registered on SAKWiki, so just need editing rights set up to start trialling some of the above.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: zoidberg on August 26, 2016, 08:58:34 AM
I registered on SAKWiki, so just need editing rights set up to start trialling some of the above.

Done.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: m47mu74nt on August 26, 2016, 09:55:31 AM
To get track of my own edits:
Lately I totally revamped the Wenger Nature Series page (that I think still needs to be ironed out by someone else)
Which implied also updating the Wenger V.I.P related section.

Though most of the edits I done were to correct typo or add infos or a picture here and there like Updating Alox color-palette, Adding Huntsman 3.3713 variation (Ecoline Nylon scales), ...


Is there a page dedicated to scale materials? Or maybe the color-palette could do that too
That's the first thing we see about a SAK (even more if you don't have it in hand)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on August 26, 2016, 12:21:52 PM

My current ideas are:

- Tool page (eg Phillips Screwdriver Back Tool (http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Screwdriver-Phillips): Provide link to knives that have the tool, with indication of how many layers that knife has to give you a sense of whether it's likely to be what you're after.
- Size / layer pages (eg Victorinox 91mm 3 layer (http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+91mm+3+Layer+Models)): Expand table to have a column for each differentiating layer / back tool (probably not scale tools - too much noise)


Early examples of the above can be seen at:
- Pliers (http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Pliers) tool page: I think this looks OK, but maybe a better table title than "Related Knives".  And positioning, taking into consideration that there could also be a Wenger table.

- Victorinox 91mm 3 layer (http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+91mm+3+Layer+Models): Default table magic looking too big in narrow-ish browser window, and will be worse on knives with more layers and / or when back tools are included.  Maybe break table into "Common" tools and "Specialist"?  I left out Scale Tools for a similar reason.  Do they warrant a table? Will start to make page big though...  Also thinking of switching "Y" to "L" or "B" to indicate Layer or Back tool location.

BTW, there a couple of gremlins where I parsed the current Wiki data and keyring is listed as a layer tool on just a couple of knives (I think of it as a scale tool), CyberTool and Champion pages have multiple tool config lists, etc.  They'l get fixed as the underlying data is nudged into shape.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on August 26, 2016, 12:25:00 PM
Done.

Thx  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on August 26, 2016, 06:21:49 PM
I'm thinking of using TikiWiki's PluginInclude capability to build a pair of  master page of all the new tables and then pull in the right table for each tool or knife.

Has that been tried elsewhere in the Wiki with success or failure?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on August 30, 2016, 12:41:43 AM
As I suspected - or hoped!!  (I did not think I was that blind or dumb) - we must have different authorisations - As no little pencil for me  :(

Here is what my editor screen looks like..

I landed in the WYSIWYG editor when creating a page  ??? :-[.  No icons to get out for me either  :ahhh, but in the TikiWiki documentation I discovered that adding "&wysiwyg=n" to the edit URL takes you into the 'pure' Wiki code  :tu:.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: ddogu on August 30, 2016, 08:45:27 AM
Whoa, respect  :tu:


You know, we need editors for the Multitool Encyclopedia too  :whistle:

What kind of work is needed, exactly?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on August 30, 2016, 12:32:30 PM
cool :cheers:

Time to give Whoey a reminder again. >:D He's busy with some real world stuff
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Whoey on August 30, 2016, 02:44:19 PM
was out of town actually, but WYSIWYG editor is disabled now.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: firiki on August 30, 2016, 02:56:43 PM
I volunteered to help with the SAK Wiki right away and I am ashamed to say I haven't done anything yet but look around a bit in there.  :-\  :-[

On the bright side you people should be thankful I haven't been pushing any buttons in there  :whistle:  :angel:  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on August 31, 2016, 03:00:37 PM
I'm thinking of using TikiWiki's PluginInclude capability to build a pair of  master page of all the new tables and then pull in the right table for each tool or knife.

Has that been tried elsewhere in the Wiki with success or failure?

I've now used that approach to add a knife-tool matrix to each of the Victorinox 91mm 1/2/3/4/5/6+ Layer Model pages.  I'll add them to the 84mm model pages when time permits.  The INCLUDE line on each of those pages takes the relevant snippet from this 'master' page (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Size-Layer+Tables), which can be quickly regenerated from the core database behind the data I downloaded / parsed, which in turn I ought to be able to be able to maintain by re-downloading the knife data as it is updated.

I think a bit of work to ensure the tables don't get too wide could still be useful.  I'm unsure whether the Core and Other tool tables on (say) 5-layer page works as well as intended.  Plus its always hard to pre-guess what everyone else is seeing and whether it is legible or not.  I don't have a web authoring test suite to use...

A future edit would be to remove the original table, but that would take out the (sparse?) width and weight info as well as the corkscrew / Phillips in the 'lite' matrix.  Should that be kept in the new matrices?

Thoughts and inputs welcomed.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: sLaughterMed on August 31, 2016, 03:46:46 PM
Whoa, respect  :tu:


You know, we need editors for the Multitool Encyclopedia too  :whistle:

What kind of work is needed, exactly?
Mostly we need new articles written, and proofreading of current articles. There is a link to the "How To" page for the wiki in my signature, and if you want to make edits and make new pages, I can send you the passcode needed to register.

Amusingly enough, the MTwiki actually benefited from being neglected for so long, and even with a very small group of editors, cleaning up the old code was quick and painless. The SAKwiki is still being cleaned up, despite having much more enthusiasm and support.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on August 31, 2016, 04:00:50 PM
Hi Little Tinker

Well you have certainly been doing some BIG Tinkering.

The tool matrices are a great idea - although the 5 layer page seems to show the 3 layer models - Maybe this is still WIP??
I like the updated front back designation .....
One slight bug/issue - The tool table when I see it overlaps the brand, layer, size keys/links down the right hand side of the page.....

Edit - I also love the Related Knives section in the Tools pages

I have a couple of suggestions on the tables.
1. To save width how about bringing in a two or three letter code for each of the tools - You know the sort of thing: MB, SB, CO, SD, A, CS, KR for instance for a Spartan - We could store the key somewhere in a link or even put it on each page, or update the tool page with the abbreviations ??
2. Again to save width, and given that  just about every SAK has the Spartan tool set - How about missing out those tools from the table and just putting a note where there is a variation (eg for Compacts)? - So there would be one column for the Spartan toolset - And that column would be blank for all knives that contained the Spartan tool set - Then there would be a note number in that column - For instance Note 1 for a Automobile would say the Spartan small blade is replaced by the Technicians screwdriver -  Not sure how well that would work - Might get a bit messy  ....... ???
3. I see you put all the tools in alphabetical order - But how about a more SAK centric logical order with the most common tools starting with the Spartan toolset  first (assuming we don't remove this!  ;) as per suggestion 2) and listing all the tools in the Swisschamp next - Then the less common tools - So the order would be something like:
MB, SB, CO, SD, A, CS, KR, Tp, Tw, Sc, WS, MF, FS, Ph, MG, Pl - followed by all the more unusual tools grouping similar tool together eg PB, MB(S), MB(PS), EB etc etc  ??? ???

Edit - It all seems like a lot of work for you - although I get the impression you are pretty good at this type of stuff - So hopefully can make it a bit easier
Anyway - respect and thanks   :tu:  :salute:

And I have been doing my own Tinkering - So here is a summary:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on August 31, 2016, 04:43:02 PM
Looking great so far. :hatsoff:

Huntsman covered all I wanted to say as far as the work done so far. Let me know if you encounter any permission problems with the wiki.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: basilio on August 31, 2016, 04:51:37 PM
Been away for ages, just wanted to say hi to everybody and to thank those keeping up the good work with the wiki!
As far as Wenger is related, I remember I had a lot of plans to add small edits and few knives (mostly from the "Wenger love" thread).
Will try to find material of what I was planning to do and pass it to the new super-editors!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on August 31, 2016, 11:05:36 PM
I have a couple of suggestions on the tables.
<SNIP>

Thanks, all good ideas.  It would be awkward to adjust the current approach to do the Spartan plus / minus thing, but I have thought of similar.  Did you notice the "Tools common to all knives" section that tries to do a similar thing of shrinking down the horizontal width by excluding those tools from the table?

I've put a vertical-text label in, which is somewhat hard to read but does a lot (IMHO) to keep the data more legible overall.  Comments welcome.

I agree on sorting the columns from most to least 'used', and think the Spartan -> Champ -> Other arrangement is good.  I'll do that next, with a twist of tweak it a bit to keep all the blades together so it is easy to see what is in place of a standard blade.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on September 01, 2016, 03:24:17 AM
Wow - Totally awesome work Little Tinker - Thank you

The new look tables are just fab  :o  :D  :tu:
(And you sorted out the overlap with the index, and I think you got all the layers down to one table - Yay)

The vertical text looks a little weird to start with - But is readable and works perfectly once you get used to it - And better than abbreviations IMHO - as it avoids all confusion and a cross reference

The common tools to all knives is great and works really well - Better approach than my suggestion - One minor comment - I would put all those tools in a horizontal line - Just to save scrolling/space

One comment on the 6+ layer page - The Cyber tools are missing and also the a/b and c versions of the Champion - The a/bs are six layer and have corkscrew/Phillips respectively and the c is seven layer - Maybe this is just WIP

EDIT2: Re the Spartan/common/Champ grouping of the tools - As well as all that it would be good to group by layer then back then scale tools too. I have a spready that does this let me know if you want me to send it to you for a quick gander


EDIT: Oh man I just looked at the source tiki for your new layer tables - Not simple  :o - I hope you automated the creation of those somehow - And switching the columns around will be a nightmare??
Even more respect and awe !!  ;)
Although making the common tools into one line is easy!!

And I guess once these tables are done they are done - And unlikely to need much maintenance
- Maybe just the odd new SAK every now and then - Although I don't think that has happened in the Vic line up for over a decade, possibly not since the Cyber tools in 2000 - with the exception of the Pioneer X and the Delemonts -
They seem to be more prone to reducing, rather than expanding, their SAK product line these days!!
Although there was that comment/hint from Charles Elsener (I think it was on Facebook) about big changes next year
Watch this space   :o


 :cheers: H
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on September 01, 2016, 12:09:28 PM
Agreed, looks excellent. And having worked with and created a few fancytables on the wiki, I know how tricky they can be.

As for the vertical text for the tools, might I suggest making it ALL CAPS? It is much more readable, at least to my eyes, less adjustment.

For instance:

F
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F
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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 01, 2016, 05:48:36 PM
Agreed, looks excellent. And having worked with and created a few fancytables on the wiki, I know how tricky they can be.

As for the vertical text for the tools, might I suggest making it ALL CAPS? It is much more readable, at least to my eyes, less adjustment.

For instance:

F
l
a
s
h
l
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vrs

F
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H
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I think that's very illuminating  ;).  I'll put it in the next round of work.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 02, 2016, 11:48:11 AM


I think that's very illuminating  ;).  I'll put it in the next round of work.

I think all the above is now done.  Remind me if I missed something, or you spot something else (except the extraneous "~hs~" that I know about - not sure why Tiki doesn't like them).
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on September 02, 2016, 01:55:37 PM
Looks very good :2tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 02, 2016, 05:25:01 PM
I'll add the 84mm layer tables and the "Related Knife" sections to each tool page next.

For those worrying about my sanity  :cheers:...  All of this is automated.  Excel spreadsheets contain the data, with some VBA code behind it to squirt out the Wiki code, which then just gets copy / pasted into the actual Wiki editor.  Each incremental change isn't much effort, but I'm quite pleased with how they've all added up to something quite useful :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 02, 2016, 07:29:16 PM
EDIT2: ...it would be good to group by layer then back then scale tools too. I have a spready that does this let me know if you want me to send it to you for a quick gander


I initially read this to mean you have a chart of which layer each tool is in, so we could put L1 to indicate the blades are in the first layer, then L2 for scissors and L3 for openers on a Climber for example.  I think could be handy for anyone who wanted to custom build discontinued items, or build Franken-knives while using the original orders on similar knives to potentially avoid "hiding" nail-nicks, etc.  And SOOOO OCD - what's not to like  ::).

Or did you just mean a simple list of whether each tool is layer / scale / back?  If so then I think we have that covered now (Phillis and fine screwdriver being a bit special because they appear in multiple places...), but let me know if you think the grouping / ordering should be changed.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Gee.B on September 02, 2016, 09:35:50 PM
This maybe a stupid question but has anyone thought about doing a partnership with a company that edit hardcover books to print the content of the wiki on a yearly basis for instance?
I would buy it and this could be a way to support this forum and the wiki contributors while having good info from SAK specialists. 

I know there are companies which do that for blogs for instance,  and even for your Facebook publications. I believe they take a small fee but maybe a poll would give an idea of the number of people willing to buy such a great encyclopedia

Anyway just a thought

</Gee via Tapatalk>

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: sLaughterMed on September 03, 2016, 12:18:42 AM
This maybe a stupid question but has anyone thought about doing a partnership with a company that edit hardcover books to print the content of the wiki on a yearly basis for instance?
I would buy it and this could be a way to support this forum and the wiki contributors while having good info from SAK specialists. 

I know there are companies which do that for blogs for instance,  and even for your Facebook publications. I believe they take a small fee but maybe a poll would give an idea of the number of people willing to buy such a great encyclopedia

Anyway just a thought

</Gee via Tapatalk>
Books have been brought up several times over the years ( I believe J-Sews and Grant both have made plans for one), but there's just not enough support for them. Printers are expensive, and since the information is already free online, who would be willing to shell out the money to cover the book cost?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on September 03, 2016, 01:36:58 AM
EDIT2: ...it would be good to group by layer then back then scale tools too. I have a spready that does this let me know if you want me to send it to you for a quick gander
I initially read this to mean you have a chart of which layer each tool is in, so we could put L1 to indicate the blades are in the first layer, then L2 for scissors and L3 for openers on a Climber for example.  I think could be handy for anyone who wanted to custom build discontinued items, or build Franken-knives while using the original orders on similar knives to potentially avoid "hiding" nail-nicks, etc.  And SOOOO OCD - what's not to like  ::).
Or did you just mean a simple list of whether each tool is layer / scale / back?  If so then I think we have that covered now (Phillis and fine screwdriver being a bit special because they appear in multiple places...), but let me know if you think the grouping / ordering should be changed.

Hi LT,
Looks really good - Enki's suggestion on the caps really makes the vertical lettering much easier to read - Well done both  :tu:

Sorry for the confusion.
What I meant was that in the existing tables you just group the layer tools together, the backspring tools together, then the scale tools together.
I think this will make it much, much easier to read

So for instance the three layer table would be LB, SmB, PrB, SerB, Tec SD, BO, CO, Comb, Sc, WS, MS, Pl, CT, Fl, MG,        Ph,       CS, Aw, H, Fine, Ch, Mini       Tp, Tw, Pin, Pen, Alti,    KR
I put the Tec SD next to the SmB/PrB as it usually replaces them; the MG at the end of the Layers, next  to the Phillips as they usually sit together, and the Ph can be a layer or a back spring; also the Fl is next to the MG as they are sometimes together, and near the Ph; I just stuck the KR at the end (as its not too important ??  :o )
Also as you have already done the tools that replace each other are next to each other - Also if they are in the same layer they are next to/near each other.
Did you say that the Fine SD can be both too? So that could be a problem. Or was that just the Fine SD vs the Tec SD?

Now I definitely know you automate the creation - and as you asked -  I feel I can suggest this  :tu:  :)
And apologies if this contradicts an earlier comment about keeping the Spartan tools together - But this is better  :o   :tu:
The layer order table I would not be so bothered about - Just me !!

I also noticed that the MB and Awl links in the common tools do not work and there is the ~hs~ as you mention - Is that just a space? if so  could it  just be made a real space, as opposed to a space command ???

And there is one more model that could go in the 6 layer table - It is a Handyman variation - Which the Wiki says is a SABI version, but I think could be an older version - So it could be known as Handyman (old) - Anyway the Fish Scaler replaces the pliers.
I could even try this myself - I think adding a row would be easy enough!! Moving column around - No way!!!

As for my changes - Tiny - compared to LT's magic



Re Books GeeB  - A dump of the WIKI would be good.
As mentioned there have been a few over the years - Some are referenced in the WIKI - Most are out of print I think
Many of us here are waiting for JazzBass's book - which will be just amazing - And way better than a WIKI dump

JB is probably our most knowledgeable member when it comes to history, models and variations of SAKs

PS. Why is your name G.B when your flag is French !! :o  ;)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on September 03, 2016, 06:14:54 AM
PS. Tool sequence to be the same in all layer tables ......... of course ..........  ;)  :o  :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 03, 2016, 09:59:04 AM
And there is one more model that could go in the 6 layer table - It is a Handyman variation - Which the Wiki says is a SABI version, but I think could be an older version - So it could be known as Handyman (old) - Anyway the Fish Scaler replaces the pliers.
I could even try this myself - I think adding a row would be easy enough!! Moving column around - No way!!!


Lots of good ideas in there that I'll think about.

Be careful with small edits to the tables since a bulk update (more will be coming to fix the ~hs~, etc...) of the tables will trample on any local edit there, so if knives are missing then adding them to the Wiki pages is the way to go.  I'll periodically refresh the data from those pages.  Pages that describe multiple knives (Cybertool, Champion, etc) are special because they can't easily be parsed, so I do have to manage the knife / tool data for those manually.  So maybe that is the way to handle notable knife variants like the "Handyman (Old)"- I can add a "special" row for  as if it were a second knife on the Handyman page.  Maybe we could invent a way to "encode" those variants so they can all be picked up, "Handyman (Old): ADD Scaler; REMOVE Pliers - Interesting notes".  Sounds complicated already...

Changing the ordering isn't too hard.  As per your next post there is a master list of left-right order, currently around the Spartan -> Champ -> Other model but it can be anything.  I tried a couple of variants but there always seemd to be an outlier that made several choices good but not perfect.  I'll take a look at what you suggest to see if it snaps into place  :tu:.

The ~hs~ thing is odd.  It works if placed in a page "locally" but seems to not do so if using the INCLUDE magic.  I'll swap them for standard spaces, or HTML <nb> which might work.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 03, 2016, 10:20:41 AM
As for my changes
  • I have updated the Cybertool headings to mention S,M,L  (thereby messing up the links in the first para) - Can any body help - I think it does not like the brackets in the headings ??? I tried a slash too this also did not work  :( 


Using F12 on the normal page view (not edit) in IE shows that TikiWIki turns the section heading into...
Code: [Select]
<h2 class="showhide_heading" id="CyberTool_29_S_">CyberTool 29&nbsp;(S)</h2>
EDIT: You can see the same id by hovering over the auto-generated contents links on the page.

So using
Code: [Select]
[#Cybertool_29_S_|Cybertool 29 (S)], as the Wiki code seems to work.

I guess the algorithm is something like turn all non-text characters into underscore, and compress multiple ones to single: Cybertool 29 (S) ->Cybertool_29__S_ -> Cybertool_29_S_
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: enki_ck on September 03, 2016, 11:51:31 AM
Might I suggest adding an index somewhere at the beginning of the page that explains the abbreviations used? Or did I miss it? I understand that L  means the tool is found as inside the SAK, aka a layered tool, S stands for scale tool, B stands for back layer tool, but the occasional browser of SAKwiki might not know that.

Just a thought :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: m47mu74nt on September 03, 2016, 12:35:18 PM
 :nothingtoadd:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 03, 2016, 12:39:22 PM
Might I suggest adding an index somewhere at the beginning of the page that explains the abbreviations used? Or did I miss it? I understand that L  means the tool is found as inside the SAK, aka a layered tool, S stands for scale tool, B stands for back layer tool, but the occasional browser of SAKwiki might not know that.

Just a thought :D

Yes, that is needed  :salute:.  I was also going to add a "This table updated 2 Aug 2016" tag to help explain if the tables and other Wiki content drift out of sync.

Can we think of anything else  ????
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 03, 2016, 07:58:54 PM
I'll address the sakselektor question when I'm a bit more awake. ;)

Shall we pick that up in the sticky-ed thread  :pok:?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on September 07, 2016, 09:28:04 AM
Hi Folks

Well I have been tinkering away again and here are the latest updates

I have restructured the Introductory, Tools, Variations and History sections of the Cybertool, Champion, Craftsman, Handyman and Lumberjack pages with the simple objective of making them more readable and easy to use. (For instance  resolving some difficulties/confusion I had when I was first using the Wiki). I have not changed the overall content at all.

I think these changes make it a lot better and hope you agree – Let me know either way.
I will also say up front I really hope these changes will not bu88er up all the great work Little Tinker is doing with the layer/tool pages – Although I think these pages are treated as special cases anyway, and he’s so clever, that even if it does, I am sure he will resolve it!

Here’s what I did - Same types of changes for all the models mentioned above

Introductory Paragraph
These paragraphs are often a ‘stream of consciousness’ containing loads of information and not always so easy to read. I have turned them into a few paragraphs and sometimes moved more detailed information to the other sections, as the first para should just be high level.

Tools sections
All the WIKI pages for these SAKs have different models or versions of that SAK in the Wiki page. I have restructured the tools sections so that you can clearly see the similarities and differences between all the model variations.  Prior to the changes this was not so easy – especially to a new WIKI/SAK user. I could explain how I did this – But it’s best just to go and check it out!! – Say for the  Champion  (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Champion).

History/Variations Sections
I found these sections a little jumbled up so used this logic to build the sections.
Again I could try and explain this here – But it’s easiest just to go and check – Say the Craftsman  (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Craftsman).

That’s it for the restructuring!!

A couple of other changes.
That really is it!! Let me know id you have any feedback.
I hope this is OK with y'all and I have not offended or messed up any current or previous editors' work

Oh - Very pleased with myself on the MTo editing front too - As I have learnt how to hide a URL under a  Reference (http://www.sakwiki.com).

And there is one more model that could go in the 6 layer table - It is a Handyman variation - Which the Wiki says is a SABI version, but I think could be an older version - So it could be known as Handyman (old) - Anyway the Fish Scaler replaces the pliers.
I could even try this myself - I think adding a row would be easy enough!! Moving column around - No way!!!
Lots of good ideas in there that I'll think about.
Be careful with small edits to the tables since a bulk update (more will be coming to fix the ~hs~, etc...) of the tables will trample on any local edit there, so if knives are missing then adding them to the Wiki pages is the way to go ……….

And don’t worry LT – There is no way I am going near those pages whilst you are working your magic!! I just said I could do it not I would do it!!

I was using your new tables recently – And I do really believe they should be grouped into layer, back, scale as I suggested above. It will make it much, much easier to use.
And thanks again for all your great work.

Gotta step back now as this is taking way too much time!!!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 07, 2016, 04:02:39 PM
I agree the last iteration was a bit mangled, but I've a revised order that I've found easier to use which is:
- Spartan tools plus specialist blades ordered layer, back, scales;
- Followed by remaining tools ordered same way.

Would that work for you?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on September 07, 2016, 04:32:15 PM
I still think grouping all the layer, then back, then scales, tools together works best - Something like:

LB, SmB, PruB, SerB, Tec SD, BO, CO, Comb, Sc, WoodS, MetalS, Fish, Pliers, Cyber, Flash, Mag, ElecB, Spatch, Divot, , Lighter        Phil,       CorkS, Aw, Hook, Fine, Ch, Mini       Tp, Tw, Pin, Pen, Alti,    KR

Maybe we need to make two Phillips (back + in line) for ease of making the table

In my own personal excel db (which is a rework of Detrons spready)  I have something like this order:
LB, SmB, , BO, CO, , Sc, WoodS, MetalS, Fish, Mag, Phil (inline),  Pliers,Flash , PruB, SerB, , ElecB,  Comb, Divot, Tec SD,  Cyber,Spatch, , Pharm, Lighter            Aw,  CorkS, Phil,  Hook, Fine, Ch, Mini       Tp, Tw, Pin, Pen, Alti,    KR
So Layer - Back - Scales
In the layer section: The Swiss Champ tools set first -then the other blades, then the other half tools, then the more obsure ones  I find it works pretty well

Who would have thought this would be so Hard!!  :o

Anyone else any thoughts????
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: sLaughterMed on September 07, 2016, 06:36:29 PM
I just took a peek at the SAKWiki, it looks fantastic guys! Keep up the good work :2tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on September 08, 2016, 08:38:24 AM
Couple of other wee comments.

In the second sequence suggestion above - For the layer section (and actually also the back and scales sections too)
The sequence is actually:
Spartan Tools - Swiss Champ tools  -then the other blades - then the other half tools - then the more obsure ones

If you build it this way you get more of the the 'tool present' markers in the table grouped together towards the left of the table section, In other words as you move from left to right - you move from more common to less common
 - Ie Nearly all (EDIT: tools ) SAKS have the Spartan toolset, most have the scissors, many have one or more of the Swisschamp tool set, few have the obscure blades/tools typically just the XLT, XAVT etc
- This I feel makes it easier to use
Does that make sense? Or at least have I explained it clearly ???
Actually why am I trying to explain it  ??? - Pictures speak louder than words - I attach a picture of an extract from my spready below
The shaded vertical lines are the Spartan tool set !!

Anyway I'll shut up now  ::)  :o  :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 08, 2016, 11:14:12 AM
I've put a new order in the tables.  Still slightly different to what you propose, but closer.  I wasn't ignoring you though - just didn't have time to try it out before rebuilding.

I've also added a master tool-to-knife page for Victorinix, and added the relevant list to Altimeter and Chisel tool pages.

As ever, things to sort out remain but comments invited.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 08, 2016, 10:18:37 PM
Would it be at all useful to put this in the Wiki somewhere, which shows how you can move from Spartan to SwissChamp adding one tool layer at a time amongst the knives in the Victorinox  2015 catalogue? Or maybe an expanded version showing discontinued knives as well (which could get messy!)?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: m47mu74nt on September 09, 2016, 12:06:40 PM
I noticed I had some different model of scissors and stamping on my few 74mm:
So here is the table to help dating other 74mm :)
Not sure how to put this into SAKwiki, i can upload the full-res picture to the gallery, but the table should be remastered
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: m47mu74nt on September 09, 2016, 10:50:59 PM
Would it be at all useful to put this in the Wiki somewhere, which shows how you can move from Spartan to SwissChamp adding one tool layer at a time amongst the knives in the Victorinox  2015 catalogue? Or maybe an expanded version showing discontinued knives as well (which could get messy!)?

:like:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on September 10, 2016, 04:28:07 AM
Hi LT

Great work - That new sequence is much, much better - Brilliant - Thank you

OK Feedback time - Apologies in advance - Some of this is really anal!!

I think that's it

Thanks again LT for the awesome work - And please don't take all my anal comments personally !!  :o   :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: JamesJ on September 11, 2016, 09:36:28 AM
First of all, I just wanna thank all contributers to the wiki, I'm on there reading all the time. Great job already even with the to-do list of things being discussed.

If nobody has mentioned, I didn't see anything about the 2 different mini screwdriver shapes on the page for that tool. (Old rounded and newer hex)

Do paypal donations to multitool.org help sakwiki as well?

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 11, 2016, 12:10:55 PM
Thanks for all the support and feedback.  It helps me find the time and energy to keep tinkering  :D.  It's all very constructive and welcome  :tu:.


My preference is still the sequence I discuss above (all L,B,S together and within that Spartan, Champ, others)  - But that's just me. If you do leave it as it is now - One change I would make is to swap the position of the CS and Phillips - So that all the L's and B's are together in that section
I'm not averse to that, just prioritising other stuff  :P.  I'll revise it again and we can gather views afterwards.

The hyperlinks to Champions and Cybertools don't work - That probably was me - Sorry  :(
No, probably me.  The multi-knife pages expose a few quirks in the way I built the data.  I'm planning to address it  :salute:.
The hyperlinks to mainblade and awl and small blade don't work
Well spotted.  That's me tangling up simple names and page names  :oops:.
The list of 'common to all' tools would be better with commas - This is really OCD  :twak: !!!
Good idea.  I also don't like the simple string of names  :tu:.
For the six + layer table I don't think you need the extra text saying how many layers is in the SAK - It's in the table above - So unneccessarily doubles the depth of the table
I'm in two minds about having it.  It's got the wrong numbers at the moment anyway, so I'll simply remove for now  ;).  Shall we keep the upper table, and start filling in more of the info (but remove the Philips / Corkscrew columns  :-\?
The tool to model reference is brilliant - I always wanted one of those - I would be tempted not to bother with those tables for the Spartan toolset  - As the tables are so big (eg check out the keyring!!) and pretty much all SAKS have the Spartan tool set, but the rest are really, really useful 
They all get generated automatically at the mo.  I wasn't planning to put ones that are unhelpfully large onto the tool page, for the reasons that you suggest.  I'll take a look at filtering them out of the master table as well, or moving them to the end as a "well, if you really want to know" section  :whistle:.
The Cyberbits related SAKs table - Should probably be the Cybertool not the bits
Another artefact of the way the data was parsed form the current Wiki knife pages.  My preference would be to define "Cyber Set A" and "Cyber Set B" for the two sets of 4 bits, and reference these as included to show the differentiation  :-\.
Love the family tree too - Really nice - Really useful - That could go somewhere on the tools main page, or better still the page of 91mm (and 84mm) SAKs that does not have the layers ?? Someone else here did one of those with all the models, and as you say it was pretty complex - So I think your curent model one works best - And you can always cross reference a current model to an older model if you will
I'll upload the diagram and we can work out where to position it  :tu:.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on September 20, 2016, 08:49:03 AM
OK SAK fans

Help needed please......

1. One thing the WIKI is sadly lacking is dates - Can anyone help?
- For instance when a model came out and when it was discontinued.
We have a History section where this could go but it is rarely populated
Of course for the longer running knives this is a little complex eg The Climber - previously was the Traveller, prior to that a numeric model no etc etc
But for some others it could be simpler ???
If anyone has any information on dates for models please put it here (and we will update) - or in the Wiki if you are an editor
I will be popping my tool dating spready into the tools section in the near future - So that will help with dating the tools

2. From the very generic to the very specific - Is the 'Luxury Automobile - Special' a real SAK ???
There is the three layer Automobile which is well defined - There is also the three layer Automobile Special, which is also well defined.
Although rather unfortunately named, if you ask me, as it is more of a thinner Grand Prix
We have the 5 layer Luxury Automobile - Also well defined
Then in the 5 layer index page there is a knife called the 'Luxury Automobile - Special' - The link takes you to the Luxury Automobile - But there is nothing in that page to describe that SAK. The layer index page indicates that it has a Phillips not a corkscrew - But that is all -
Does it really exist ??- If so I will update the Lux Auto page with this description (ie Lux. Auto swapping corks. for Ph.)
If not can we get rid of it in the index page??

My latest updates:
Any comments, feedback, suggestions, requests - Let me know  :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on September 25, 2016, 04:42:40 PM
Well not too many responses to that post !!  :o  ;)

On the Luxury Automobile Special - I think I might answer my own question.
I searched the net and could not find any references to it anywhere - Not in Smart Knives or a few blogs (some from our people - eg LeaF, Stressmaster) or anywhere else.
I think the infamous 'Luxury Autombile Special' is actually the Handyman 7236maU - The toolsets match !
So I am proposing to delete the LAS from the 91mm lists - OK??

In my search I found a very interesting site: Victorinox Enciclopedia (http://victorinox.altervista.org/blog)
- OK so it's in Italian - But does it look familiar ??? ............ Very familiar ???

Well I thought I had finished my editing - But I don't seem to be able to stop  :facepalm:
Discovered the Swisstool pages and they needed some work.
Here's what I did ...
Split up the intro para a bit; Put the individual common tools in the 'Handles section' in a nice bulleted list - in line with the rest of SAKWIKI; Created a new section for the models, and their tool variations (best bit  :)); Converted the 'Removable Tools' section from a 'stream of consciousness' to a nice bulleted list; Tidied up the variations section.
Now you can clearly and easily see which tools are in which models, and the differences between the models  :salute:
And similar changes for the Spirit.

As always:
Any comments, feedback, suggestions, requests, criticisms - Let me know   :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Little Tinker on September 25, 2016, 09:28:41 PM
I think the availability dates would be handy as well.  Small wrinkle perhaps that they seem to be region related sometimes though.

Luxury automobile are not words I get to use much, and can't help this time either.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: m47mu74nt on October 09, 2016, 09:41:27 PM
I was trying to unbreak links toward SOSAK on the Soldier 1961 sakwiki page...
I could find the WaffenKontrolle article on SwissArmyKnights,
but for "Soldier Variants" only found this :
Soldier variants, part 2 (http://www.swissarmyknights.com/articles/2008/79-april-2008/554-soldier-variants-part-ii)
and an old broken cache (http://web.archive.org/web/20110407193935/http://www.sosakonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=126&Itemid=35) of the original post
I found this (in french (http://www.couteaux-du-soldat-suisse.ch/J01/index.php/en/les-couteaux-du-soldat/les-modeles-1961))
This pic (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,49775.msg833353.html#msg833353) is great too, but would need a legend)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-07phNkR5YSk/UI7-YOy263I/AAAAAAAACJk/h9zzOjPY_ek/s640/Soldiers%25201.JPG)

So, HELP  :angel:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: JamesJ on October 20, 2016, 09:11:55 PM
I realize this ain't a "submit errors" thread but here I go again  :twak:<--me

Is this supposed to be 100mm?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on October 21, 2016, 12:38:26 AM
I realize this ain't a "submit errors" thread but here I go again  :twak:<--me
Is this supposed to be 100mm?

I think it could be - I don't think any editors here would have a problem with that!!

Good spot (I rarely visit that page) - And look again   :o ;)  :D  :tu:

And/or become an editor !  :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 21, 2016, 06:59:07 PM
The SAKWiki is a wonderful thing, but I've not been able to find any way to search it - am I missing something obvious, or is search for some reason not currently implemented?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: m47mu74nt on October 21, 2016, 08:53:29 PM
The SAKWiki is a wonderful thing, but I've not been able to find any way to search it - am I missing something obvious, or is search for some reason not currently implemented?

best way : go to google, and type
Code: [Select]
site:http://www.sakwiki.com climber to get climber related SAKwiki articles :)

more simple way simply type sakwiki before what you are searching for:
Code: [Select]
sakwiki climber (which will give you also non sakwiki sites talking about sakwiki and climber
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on October 21, 2016, 10:13:16 PM
Yes I have had that problem too - And also used M47's 2nd solution

However there is a native serach capability - But only if you logon with your user id

If you logon then  a search field  becomes available where the logon fields were and it works just like you'd expect it to - even your search term is highlighted in the texts :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 21, 2016, 10:20:55 PM
Yes I have had that problem too - And also used M47's 2nd solution

However there is a native serach capability - But only if you logon with your user id

If you logon then  a search field  becomes available where the logon fields were and it works just like you'd expect it to - even your search term is highlighted in the texts :tu:


Ah okay, I better register then!  :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: m47mu74nt on October 21, 2016, 10:39:46 PM
Yes I have had that problem too - And also used M47's 2nd solution

However there is a native serach capability - But only if you logon with your user id

If you logon then  a search field  becomes available where the logon fields were and it works just like you'd expect it to - even your search term is highlighted in the texts :tu:

You are perfectly right, but it takes a lot less time to type "sakwiki+[what you search for]" in the address bar, than going to sakwiki, log in, search  :cheers:
and to highlight the term CTRL+F [what you search for]
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on October 22, 2016, 01:48:25 AM
OK - So you want to get into a 'my way is better than your way' debate

That's fine - I concede - You win - Congratulations  :tu:

For me - I was just answering a question that was asked - And Oxford Guy, and anyone else, can make their own decision on what works best/well for them
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: m47mu74nt on October 22, 2016, 07:52:11 AM
That only was the lurker option.

BTW no one helped for the soldier 1961 variants. I doubt nobody knows...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 22, 2016, 10:20:07 AM
OK - So you want to get into a 'my way is better than your way' debate

That's fine - I concede - You win - Congratulations  :tu:

For me - I was just answering a question that was asked - And Oxford Guy, and anyone else, can make their own decision on what works best/well for them


Well I've got several options for searching now, so all good - thanks guys!  :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on January 09, 2017, 01:38:14 PM
Was just browsing the 111mm fireman on sakwiki...

http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Fireman

Under related knives, Trekker should have probably read "replaces corkscrew with phillips and removes belt cutter" should it not?
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170109/9294f72b1795cc3fce528cb4400fcab4.png)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on August 22, 2017, 02:36:50 AM
The Tomo is currently documented as a variation on the Classic in the WIKI ....... Really ???

I think it is a separate model and as such should have its own page.

What say you?  - Oh Knights ???

Speak and it shall be done  :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on August 22, 2017, 02:55:17 AM
It has exactly the same tool set and tool size as the classic sd... minus T&T...

I think it should be ok for it's own page...


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Frailer on August 22, 2017, 03:18:56 AM
I just want to take a moment to give a big thank you for all the work that has gone into--and continues to go into--the SAKWiki.

We're fortunate to have such a marvelous resource. I'm sure it will always be a "work in progress," but what a wonderful piece of work it is.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: an0nemus on August 22, 2017, 09:52:34 AM
I just want to take a moment to give a big thank you for all the work that has gone into--and continues to go into--the SAKWiki.

We're fortunate to have such a marvelous resource. I'm sure it will always be a "work in progress," but what a wonderful piece of work it is.


Hear, hear!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: LeaF on August 22, 2017, 10:33:57 AM
One thing that I'd like to discuss - how we're going to reflect in SAKWiki this year's changes (I mean 2017) regarding 111-mm series?


Few ideas:
1. All slide-lock models which weren't replaced with the newest liner-lock models (Cowboy, Atlas) should be marked as 'Discontinued'
2. Models, which had changing locking mechanism from slide-lock to liner-lock (Outrider for example) should be added to the appropriate lists as separate models (Outrider 2 or Outrider 2017).
3. Models, which were relisted with new names (Nomad -> Picknicker,  Sentinel with corkscrew -> Alpineer) should be marked with the link to the new model.


What do you think about this?


P.S. Few months before I've created an Excel worksheet with changes in 111-mm series (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G3_YVwXo2Hx3rLQQClKZMIqgjjkgxKy574_pFOGhcMw/edit?usp=sharing). Maybe it will be interested for someone.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on August 22, 2017, 03:13:34 PM
For the models that converted to liner lock
- To keep things more concise, neater and to avoid duplication I would much prefer to add a note the History section of the affected knives stating that in 2017 this model was converted from a side lock to a liner locking blade.
 
Seems much simpler to me ???

I think this change is like a tool version change or a Champion gaining another layer, or the hook being added to models with scissors.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: pfrsantos on August 22, 2017, 05:28:48 PM
For the models that converted to liner lock
- To keep things more concise, neater and to avoid duplication I would much prefer to add a note the History section of the affected knives stating that in 2017 this model was converted from a side lock to a liner locking blade.
 
Seems much simpler to me ???

I think this change is like a tool version change or a Champion gaining another layer, or the hook being added to models with scissors.

Maybe add some new pics, too.
 :pok: :pok:

Instead of saying "in 2017 this model was converted from a side lock to a liner locking blade." wouldn't it make more sense to say "prior to 2017 this model featured a side lock."? It would show the present model and its characteristics, making reference to a different configuration in the past. Most of the SAKs' entries in SAKWiki follow this form: show current model (when still in production), list all the different variations through time.
 :think: :think:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: LeaF on August 22, 2017, 05:39:19 PM
For the models that converted to liner lock
- To keep things more concise, neater and to avoid duplication I would much prefer to add a note the History section of the affected knives stating that in 2017 this model was converted from a side lock to a liner locking blade.
 
Seems much simpler to me ???

I think this change is like a tool version change or a Champion gaining another layer, or the hook being added to models with scissors.


Let's see what we can do on simple example:


Picknicker (0.8853) - changed locking mechanism and became a Picknicker (0.8353)
Nomad (0.8353.3) - no changes. Renamed to Picknicker
Nomad (0.8351.C, 0.8353.MW3, 0.8351.MWC) - discontinued.


Forester (0.8363.3, 0.8361.MWC, 0.8361.C) - discontinued
Rucksack (0.8863) - changed locking mechanism and became a Forester(0.8363)
Forester (0.8361.MC, 0.8361.63) - new models.


Something like this? If yes - let's imagine next situation:
 I'm a newbie and I'd like to find something about new Picknicker and new Forester models on SAKWiki..
If we're going just to update pages of existing models - there are no dedicated pages for these models and needed information will be presented in old pages only (Nomad and Rucksack accordingly).


In other words - in order to read about Picknicker I need to know that it's a former Nomad, otherwise - I'll not find anything.


Maybe we can add some links with redirection to the pages with TOC?
What do you think?
P.S. Sorry for my English :(
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: pfrsantos on August 22, 2017, 06:02:27 PM
For the models that converted to liner lock
- To keep things more concise, neater and to avoid duplication I would much prefer to add a note the History section of the affected knives stating that in 2017 this model was converted from a side lock to a liner locking blade.
 
Seems much simpler to me ???

I think this change is like a tool version change or a Champion gaining another layer, or the hook being added to models with scissors.


Let's see what we can do on simple example:


Picknicker (0.8853) - changed locking mechanism and became a Picknicker (0.8353)
Nomad (0.8353.3) - no changes. Renamed to Picknicker
Nomad (0.8351.C, 0.8353.MW3, 0.8351.MWC) - discontinued.


Forester (0.8363.3, 0.8361.MWC, 0.8361.C) - discontinued
Rucksack (0.8863) - changed locking mechanism and became a Forester(0.8363)
Forester (0.8361.MC, 0.8361.63) - new models.


Something like this? If yes - let's imagine next situation:
 I'm a newbie and I'd like to find something about new Picknicker and new Forester models on SAKWiki..
If we're going just to update pages of existing models - there are no dedicated pages for these models and needed information will be presented in old pages only (Nomad and Rucksack accordingly).


In other words - in order to read about Picknicker I need to know that it's a former Nomad, otherwise - I'll not find anything.


Maybe we can add some links with redirection to the pages with TOC?
  • Forester
  • Forester 2017 -> Rucksack
  • Picknicker
  • Picknicker 2017 -> Nomad
What do you think?
P.S. Sorry for my English :(

I was thinking/suggesting something along these lines:

Picknicker (0.8853)[/color] - In production since 2017 (replaced 0.8353.3 Picknicker)
Picknicker (0.8353.3) - In production from xxxx until 2017 (replaced 0.8351.C, 0.8353.MW3, 0.8351.MWC Nomad) - discontinued, see Picknicker (0.8853)
Nomad (0.8351.C, 0.8353.MW3, 0.8351.MWC) - In production from xxxx until xxxx - discontinued, see Picknicker (0.8353.3)

In case of updated models, the most recent one refers the previous model. All discontinued models refer to the "replacement" model. If there is no update, they just say discontinued and don't point to another model.

Comments, ideas, suggestions?...

 :think: :think:



As for your english, it's way better than my Ukrainian / Russian!
 :salute: :tu:


Edit: colour coded for ease of reading.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on August 23, 2017, 03:57:09 AM
OK – Yes its complicated – And why do Victorinox keep re-using/changing names!!
And maybe I did not explain myself clearly in the last post  :pok:

I would establish some principles to guide what we do and in priority sequence these would be:

----------------------------------------------- EDIT: PS. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And if we put the information the other way around - as you say LeaFy - That might be better and follow my principles better too !! ;) :)
ie Instead of saying:
This model originally had a side locking main blade, which was converted to a liner lock in 2017
We say:
This model has a liner locking main blade - Prior to 2017 it had a side locking main blade
----------------------------------------------- End PS --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So in your examples above LeaFy - We would do the following:

Picnicker/Nomad


We would update the Nomad page with this information:

Intro Paragraph: Withdrawn model
History Section: This model name has been withdrawn however this toolset with liner locking blade and screwdriver from 2017 is known as the Picnicker 

We would update the Picnicker pages with this information:

Intro Paragraph: This model originally had a side locking main blade, which was converted to a liner lock in 2017
Comment at bottom of Tools Section: Blade was originally side/slide locking, blade and cap lifter/screwdriver currently liner locking. 
History Section: In 2017 Victorinox withdrew all their slide locking 111mm Swiss Army Knives and converted many of them, including the Picnicker, to have a liner locking main blade and screwdriver.. The 2017 Picnicker is equivalent to the previous Nomad liner locking model.
Identifiers Section: Updated with appropriate model numbers and comments (eg liner locking version)


And as you say we could add pictures of the new Picknicker.


Rucksack/Forester

We would update the Rucksack page with this information:

Intro Paragraph: Withdrawn model
History Section: In 2017 Victorinox withdrew all their slide locking 111mm Swiss Army Knives including the Rucksack. However this toolset was and is still available in the liner locking Forester model.

Forester pages:
I don’t think that there would be a need to change anything in the Forrester pages apart from update any new models –
I guess we could put this comment in History
History Section: In 2017 Victorinox withdrew all their slide locking 111mm Swiss Army Knives and converted many of them to have a liner locking main blade. The Forester and Rucksack had equivalent toolsets, with different locking mechanisms, now only the Forester is available.
Identifiers Section: Updated with appropriate model numbers and comments (eg the Wooden Forester etc)


For Models that did a straight conversion eg Workchamp - We would do the following

Intro Paragraph: This model originally had a side locking main blade, which was converted to a liner lock in 2017
Comment at bottom of Tools Section: Blade was originally side/slide locking, blade and cap lifter/screwdriver currently liner locking. 
History Section: In 2017 Victorinox withdrew all their slide locking 111mm Swiss Army Knives and converted many of them including this model to have a liner locking main blade and screwdriver.


All withdrawn models – Marked as ‘Withdrawn in 2017’ in the intro paragraph 


I know internally the liner lock versions are different ie pin sizes tool widths etc – However I think creating new pages for all these is just too much and will be too confusing. Although we should probably add some commentary to the 111mm side/liner lock comparison pages on this

I would not be adding any new models/pointers to the 111mm lists eg Forester 2017 / Picnicker 2017 etc – Again I think this will be too confusing.

Although to the 111mm layer tables we would need to convert the entry in Column 2 for the Picnicker and any other models that got converted from S to S/L


Phew – How does that sound ???
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on August 23, 2017, 07:53:08 AM
I just want to take a moment to give a big thank you for all the work that has gone into--and continues to go into--the SAKWiki.
We're fortunate to have such a marvelous resource. I'm sure it will always be a "work in progress," but what a wonderful piece of work it is.
Hear, hear!  :cheers:

Good to hear - Thanks guys

There was a power of work that went into setting up the wiki in the early days by the likes of Stressmaster, ICanFixThat, Enki,  even the boss - and many others
The design and structure is fantastic and the sheer quantity of great content and photos is incredible.
These days it's more of a maintenance task - I am trying to make all the information a little more user friendly, and Mr LeaF is always adding great photos :tu:
Although every now and again there's a chunk of work to do eg ^^^
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Guardian on August 23, 2017, 09:36:41 AM
Thank you all for keeping SAKWiki up and running  :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: pfrsantos on August 23, 2017, 12:37:37 PM
I just want to take a moment to give a big thank you for all the work that has gone into--and continues to go into--the SAKWiki.
We're fortunate to have such a marvelous resource. I'm sure it will always be a "work in progress," but what a wonderful piece of work it is.
Hear, hear!  :cheers:

Good to hear - Thanks guys

There was a power of work that went into setting up the wiki in the early days by the likes of Stressmaster, ICanFixThat, Enki,  even the boss - and many others
The design and structure is fantastic and the sheer quantity of great content and photos is incredible.
These days it's more of a maintenance task - I am trying to make all the information a little more user friendly, and Mr LeaF is always adding great photos :tu:
Although every now and again there's a chunk of work to do eg ^^^

@Huntsman:
Great work. The ammount of info on this is huge and you're making a great job updating and correcting it.

For the people using the Wiki, I think the most important is to see the current/available models. If there's a number of previous versions, it could be mentioned in those models' pages and people can then look them up, if they want.

I agree with you. Keep the existing pages/info. If a model's name stays the same, just update the page. Refer the changes in the history section of the page. Maybe the discontinued reference should be indicated in the start of the page (in the title, following the model's name or in the first words of the description).

I'll try to see if I have any items that I can take some pictures of to complement some pages.

Shall I send you the pics or post them here and you then decide when/if you insert them in the Wiki?

 :salute: :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: LeaF on August 24, 2017, 03:11:43 PM
Regarding changes related to the 111-mm series (2017 year) - I have to take some time-out :)
Too much information, thoughts and ideas..


Right now I'm working on 84-mm TOC pages - adding some links, creating empty pages for missing models an so on.  :whistle:




UPDATE: Did some changes in 84-mm TOC pages; added Lumberjack Big to the list of 91-mm models; added some photos to the Climber, Golfer Special and AutoTools pages.
Mr. Huntsman, need your verification, specially Autools page ;)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Whoey on September 07, 2017, 03:26:20 PM
So we are using what is essentially a Swiss army knife of wiki software that has many features we aren't using, also it has been updated a number of times and I suspect there's a number of things that aren't functioning correctly as perhaps they were obsoleted or broken during upgrades or perhaps maybe mis-configured and lost in the oblivion of the cyberspace highway.

Huntsman brought up that the page hit counters seem to be broken. I suspected that it's something that happened when we upgraded to 15.x quite some time ago, but can't seem to find anything offering a fix (but another person did report the same problem).

One option is to upgrade to the next/current version of TIKIWIKI, but given that at least 90% of these extra features are disabled and we don't need them anyways, perhaps an alternative more basic solution might be worthwhile looking into. This would give us the opportunity to clean up a lot of garbage and even perhaps restructure the wiki making it easier to browse for all.

I may have mentioned in the past I have no experience in the wiki software usage, its original installation predates my involvement in the MTO empire, all I have done is mostly update the software, adjust some themes and logos. I also may have mentioned my lack of love for the tikiwiki software, personally I find it messy and complicated to do simple things.

My question to you sakwiki editors, would you be interested in migrating to a new setup? Many hands would make for quick work. Ideally we'd have both a new and old wiki online at the same time until we are happy that the new contains all the old info (and more) and then retire it/swap out.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: pfrsantos on September 07, 2017, 04:31:34 PM
If for page hit counters you mean a counter to show how many people have visited a certain page before you, it's almost completely abandoned. Not very important to know if the page I want had 20 or 20.000 visitors before me, I just want its contents.

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: m47mu74nt on September 07, 2017, 06:30:09 PM
Moving to another wiki might be a good idea -maybe mediawiki? Or a markdown based one?-
But that would need to rewrite every single article, (reupload files too? At least re-link to them) with new syntax, new way of working.

Starting from scratch has a lot of advantages, but keep in mind that it will need an enormous amount of work and we will loose the edit history -that I use sometimes to track some info that might have been modified/lost at some point-.
And we already lost some SOSAK links/content with broken links, moving on a new base will make loose some more obviously...

If you decide to go for a new wiki, I'll try to give a hand at rewriting a few articles, but this will take long long time :-)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Ron Who on September 07, 2017, 07:46:00 PM
One thing that I'd like to discuss - how we're going to reflect in SAKWiki this year's changes (I mean 2017) regarding 111-mm series?


Few ideas:
1. All slide-lock models which weren't replaced with the newest liner-lock models (Cowboy, Atlas) should be marked as 'Discontinued'
2. Models, which had changing locking mechanism from slide-lock to liner-lock (Outrider for example) should be added to the appropriate lists as separate models (Outrider 2 or Outrider 2017).
3. Models, which were relisted with new names (Nomad -> Picknicker,  Sentinel with corkscrew -> Alpineer) should be marked with the link to the new model.


What do you think about this?


P.S. Few months before I've created an Excel worksheet with changes in 111-mm series (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G3_YVwXo2Hx3rLQQClKZMIqgjjkgxKy574_pFOGhcMw/edit?usp=sharing). Maybe it will be interested for someone.
There is an Alpineer already.(111mm slide-lock).
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: El Corkscrew on September 07, 2017, 10:16:44 PM
One thing that I'd like to discuss - how we're going to reflect in SAKWiki this year's changes (I mean 2017) regarding 111-mm series?


Few ideas:
1. All slide-lock models which weren't replaced with the newest liner-lock models (Cowboy, Atlas) should be marked as 'Discontinued'
2. Models, which had changing locking mechanism from slide-lock to liner-lock (Outrider for example) should be added to the appropriate lists as separate models (Outrider 2 or Outrider 2017).
3. Models, which were relisted with new names (Nomad -> Picknicker,  Sentinel with corkscrew -> Alpineer) should be marked with the link to the new model.


What do you think about this?


P.S. Few months before I've created an Excel worksheet with changes in 111-mm series (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G3_YVwXo2Hx3rLQQClKZMIqgjjkgxKy574_pFOGhcMw/edit?usp=sharing). Maybe it will be interested for someone.
There is an Alpineer already.(111mm slide-lock).

The Passenger was also called the Alpineer....  and had the "Alpineer" inlay
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: El Corkscrew on September 07, 2017, 10:18:05 PM
 :climber:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on January 11, 2018, 04:36:21 AM
Well folks time for my annual report on Wiki updates.
I have been beavering away over the last year and done a lot of work – So here’s a summary......   :salute:
Please let me know any comments or feedback on this - Thanks

The main goals of the work were to:

The following pages have had major redesigns/complete reworks:
Tool List;  Wenger 130mm Tool Comparison; 111mm layer pages; 74mm Main page; Autotool; Wenger Series Menu; Swiss Card; 1890/1961 Soldier - History sections; 58mm layer pages; Jetsetters

The most significant being the first two in the list. These pages were a great concept, but, IMHO, poorly implemented, almost to the point of being unusable (eg the Tool List page was originally 18 screenfulls long – It is now 8 - yet with more information !)

The following pages have had significant updates:
Several series pages - eg Battles; XAVT; Minichamp; All 58mm USB SAKs; Classic; Signatures;  Vic 91mm main page; All timer/altimeter models; Original Officer's Knife

Also of note:
Pioneer; Some Swiss Bucks; Mountain SAKs - McKinley etc; Bernina; Tools titles; 58mm Golf SAKs; All the other 91mm XLxx models ……

And several other pages with minor updates   

If anyone wants to know specifically what was done for any page – Just ask, or check the history button – I try to always complete this

And finally, the new pages:
Tomo (previously was a variant of the Classic); Delémonts .... Here is a link (http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Del%C3%A9mont+130mm)

For the Delémonts - I have taken a slightly different approach to previous Wiki pages - So would welcome your feedback:
BTW – I did not finish the 85mm Delés – If anyone wants to finish them off – Please go ahead.
I would advise copying one of the existing Delés – as opposed to using the template or the Wenger version.

I hope what I am doing is all OK  -    ???
I think it’s all a great improvement – Just a bit worried that I am re-working some of the good and significant work done by the earlier Wiki editors.

I’ll maybe put a post here later with the ‘still to-dos’ – There is still quite a lot !!

And as always post here - If you spot errors, gaps etc
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Whoey on January 11, 2018, 10:26:46 AM
awesome, there's always room for improvement, and looks like you found a bunch of ways to do so.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: ThePeacent on January 11, 2018, 10:33:20 AM
such a good, long and time consuming work that you've done for us, and the world
I thank you for that!   :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Don Pablo on January 11, 2018, 11:15:53 AM
 :salute:
Sounds like a smurf ton of work.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on February 13, 2018, 06:49:41 PM
Just spotted some contradictory info relating to the OH GAK...
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180213/b46133b8f4d80bb1466f366a59c46e21.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180213/c96b94cde9348c1185f0d3c256cceb25.jpg)

For the 58mm page, how are layers counted? Is it based on liners or backsprings?... The short list for 2 layer 58mm includes Rambler/Manager, etc. apart from the Classic...


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on February 13, 2018, 09:01:17 PM
Hi JM - Thanks for the feedback
Just spotted some contradictory info relating to the OH GAK...
Sorry if I am being thick - Can you be more explicit on the contradiction please  ;)  ???

For the 58mm page, how are layers counted? Is it based on liners or backsprings?
... The short list for 2 layer 58mm includes Rambler/Manager, etc. apart from the Classic...
Please see notes here:
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+58mm+2+Layer+Models   - Bottom of page

These are referred to at the top of every layer page

Is this OK ?   Not clear?   Need to go somewhere else?   ???
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: El Corkscrew on February 13, 2018, 09:22:54 PM
Why ya gotta poke Eeyore, J-Man?    :pok: :rofl:    I'd discovered the layer thing...   The more I think about the wiki the more I realize how much work it is and awlso that it kinda depends on point of view as far as including information and saying what other knives are "related" to others...

I do usually eventually find the answer I'm looking for on there, just might not be the first place I look.... and that's OK.  :D 

 :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on February 13, 2018, 10:43:12 PM
Hi JM - Thanks for the feedback
Just spotted some contradictory info relating to the OH GAK...
Sorry if I am being thick - Can you be more explicit on the contradiction please  ;)  ???

For the 58mm page, how are layers counted? Is it based on liners or backsprings?
... The short list for 2 layer 58mm includes Rambler/Manager, etc. apart from the Classic...
Please see notes here:
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+58mm+2+Layer+Models   - Bottom of page

These are referred to at the top of every layer page

Is this OK ?   Not clear?   Need to go somewhere else?   ???
In the description box at the top, the trecker is referred as the civilian version of the original OH GAK...

Under variations no.2, OH GAK is described as the civilian version of the original OH GAK... maybe contradictory is not the right word, but rather confusing... any physical differences between OH GAK and OH GAK?

On the layers page, i didn’t notice it was there... thanks for pointing...

Hmmm, the Original Vagabond is 4 layers, where as the SwissBianco Vagabond would be 3 layers... right?




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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on February 13, 2018, 10:47:55 PM
Why ya gotta poke Eeyore, J-Man?    :pok: :rofl:    I'd discovered the layer thing...   The more I think about the wiki the more I realize how much work it is and awlso that it kinda depends on point of view as far as including information and saying what other knives are "related" to others...

I do usually eventually find the answer I'm looking for on there, just might not be the first place I look.... and that's OK.  :D 

 :salute:
:lol:


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on February 14, 2018, 01:11:15 AM
In the description box at the top, the trecker is referred as the civilian version of the original OH GAK...
Under variations no.2, OH GAK is described as the civilian version of the original OH GAK... maybe contradictory is not the right word, but rather confusing... any physical differences between OH GAK and OH GAK?

On the layers page, i didn’t notice it was there... thanks for pointing...
Hmmm, the Original Vagabond is 4 layers, where as the SwissBianco Vagabond would be 3 layers... right?

Re: Trekker - Got it !! .... Better ?? (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Trekker)

Re: Vagabond - Just read the page - Yep it seems so - And the text mentions the different tool layout!!
..... Which, according to the Wiki layer definitions, suddenly makes it a three, not a four layer knife -  :think:    ... Confusing !

It would be more consistent if we counted springs !!
But then you might get people asking, 'How come the Rambler has three layers? - I can only see two'   ???

As El CS says it's often down to interpretation / opinion !! 
What do people think   ???   Layers or springs   ???   Or don't mind/care/think it is important.
It's only enthusiasts like us who think about this !
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on February 14, 2018, 04:44:24 AM
I go with the majority... am just accustomed to how we count layers for the other vic sizes...


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on February 14, 2018, 08:51:58 AM
Hmmmm OK

And how would that apply to the 58s - with their two - full, front and back layers of tools  ???
... And tools that have either one or two springs   ???
Just about all the others have a 1:1 relationship from spring to tool to layer :think:


Re Trekker - Is it .... better? (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Trekker)  now
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: pfrsantos on February 14, 2018, 11:50:11 AM
such a good, long and time consuming work that you've done for us, and the world
I thank you for that!   :salute:

This!

Also, if you're taking the time to fix everything and come up with a better layout, I'd say whatever you do is fine.

 :salute: :tu:

Don't take suggestions from who knows more, just from who has done better.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Whoey on February 14, 2018, 04:58:05 PM
As part of a larger maintenance scope, I'll likely be upgrading the wikis soon to the new LTS release.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Whoey on February 14, 2018, 05:26:04 PM
and it's done... let the complaints roll in...  :facepalm: :crash:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on February 15, 2018, 02:13:41 AM
Hmmmm OK

And how would that apply to the 58s - with their two - full, front and back layers of tools  ???
... And tools that have either one or two springs   ???
Just about all the others have a 1:1 relationship from spring to tool to layer :think:


Re Trekker - Is it .... better? (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Trekker)  now
Forgot to mention... been really busy yesterday... Yes, its better now... Thanks...


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on March 07, 2018, 05:53:11 AM
@ Whoey - Thanks - It all seems to be OK  - At least so far :tu:

I think the page hit counter is still not working though !! Or is that a major version change / upgrade - Or maybe just no-one is visiting the Delémont pages :(   !!


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@  Everyone

I named the Delemont pages eg  "Delémont Evolution 17" -  Or such like  -  ie:  "Delémont xxx nnn"

I just noticed that, in a Google search, the Wiki pages do not come up near the top of the list  if you search for eg "Victorinox Evolution 17"  
They do if you search for  "Delémont Evolution 17"

Do you think we need to rename all  the pages to  "Victorinox Delémont xxx nnn"   - So that they come up in searches !!  ???
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: basilio on March 07, 2018, 10:08:58 AM
Hi there!
Could someone please implement on the wiki, under the Wenger "series" page, what I wrote years ago about the Patagonian Expedtion Race series?
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=57194.0
I came across that old topic recently, and I think it would be bad to have all that information lost, since I spent quite some time researching.
I would had done myself, but I stopped editing the wiki years ago, and I don't remember anything about it
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Whoey on March 07, 2018, 12:22:04 PM
Looking at the wiki, there's a number of modules that may have changed and need to be looked at. I'm not overly sure how the wiki is setup, I've only been upgrading the core software, not actually using it (I have plenty of other tasks to chase up). Also we've upgraded the software through many versions which might explain some of the breakage. As usual searching for help on Tikiwiki's site is increasing frustration over the confusion of using tikiwiki itself.

Any ways, the bottom line here is, I don't know enough about tikiwiki itself to actually help out with any encountered problems. I've got a full plate of other fish to fry at the moment, but obviously if there is something I can do that will fix it, I'm more than happy to do it.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: pfrsantos on March 07, 2018, 12:34:18 PM
(...)

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@  Everyone

I named the Delemont pages eg  "Delémont Evolution 17" -  Or such like  -  ie:  "Delémont xxx nnn"

I just noticed that, in a Google search, the Wiki pages do not come up near the top of the list  if you search for eg "Victorinox Evolution 17"  
They do if you search for  "Delémont Evolution 17"

Do you think we need to rename all  the pages to  "Victorinox Delémont xxx nnn"   - So that they come up in searches !!  ???

I think the "Victorinox Delémont xxx nnn"   is a good idea. It reflects the fact that those knives, although not originally from Victorinox, are now being made by them. I've seen some sites and they separate both collections, too.

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: El Corkscrew on March 09, 2018, 10:52:16 PM
I should try a simple edit to get my feet wet...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on March 10, 2018, 04:32:18 AM
DO IT ! ! !

Yes I saw you were an editor    :)    :o   

Why don't you finish off the 85mm Delemonts - There's about 5 or 6 still to do - And a reasonably straightforward  job - But significant
Copy one of the other 85mm pages and edit away. The main 85mm series page is all there - Ready and waiting

I just took the pics from the Vic website - You need to upload them first
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on April 10, 2018, 08:19:47 AM
We had some very detailed discussion about what to do about the switch to 100% liner locking models for the 111mm range at the top of the previous page.

Well I had a go at updating the Forester and Rucksack models with those changes, - along the lines of my suggestions, of course:  :o   ;)
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Forester+Victorinox

Any comments? Does this work for you? Alles clar?
LeaFy - I know you put a lot of thought into this !   

Hey -That excel that you shared is great BTW  :tu:   
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: LeaF on April 10, 2018, 10:01:14 AM

Any comments? Does this work for you? Alles clar?
LeaFy - I know you put a lot of thought into this !   
Hey -That excel that you shared is great BTW  :tu:


Hi! Looks great. I will check more detaily later and (hopefully) will return with some comments. :)


By the way, I did some minor updates here:
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=VSAKCS+-+Anniversary+Knife+Series

Please check if everything is ok (we still don't have picture for VSAKCS 2001 model  :ahhh )
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: El Corkscrew on April 10, 2018, 07:13:48 PM
We had some very detailed discussion about what to do about the switch to 100% liner locking models for the 111mm range at the top of the previous page.

Well I had a go at updating the Forester and Rucksack models with those changes, - along the lines of my suggestions, of course:  :o   ;)
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Forester+Victorinox

Any comments? Does this work for you? Alles clar?
LeaFy - I know you put a lot of thought into this !   

Hey -That excel that you shared is great BTW  :tu:

Ja wohl,   Alles klar!  :D :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on April 13, 2018, 11:25:55 PM
By the way, I did some minor updates here:
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=VSAKCS+-+Anniversary+Knife+Series
Please check if everything is ok (we still don't have picture for VSAKCS 2001 model  :ahhh )

Thanks - Good stuff - I reorganised the list/page a little - I think it looks better now - Is it OK?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on April 16, 2018, 02:59:11 AM
The page looks neater now Hunstman... I like it... Now if only we have a good pic for the 2001 edition... We’ve seen some on the web... Guess its unethical to borrow someone’s pic without permission...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on April 16, 2018, 05:47:20 AM
Thanks JM - Appreciate the feedback  :tu:
Re 2001 Image - Yes I think that is what LeaFy thought when he did the updates
- The SAAMS site we link to in the page has an image - But does not say who owns it - Although I almost consider SAAMS site to be part of us !

Ja wohl,   Alles klar!  :D :salute:
Entschuldigung, und vielen dank, mein Freund   :D :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: LeaF on April 16, 2018, 08:53:29 AM
I think it looks better now - Is it OK?
No, it's just beautiful  :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on April 16, 2018, 09:30:47 AM
We got permission from VSAKCS to use  their 2011 pic... will pm you guys...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on April 27, 2018, 03:55:27 PM
Thanks for that JM - The missing  pic has been uploaded - So we are now 100%

In 2017 Vic completely revised their 111mm product line - Many, many models were retired, renamed, or converted
Well all the changes are now reflected in the Wiki and I think I can say that every single 111mm page has been updated in some way or other

Thanks to Leaf for letting us know about the changes and doing all the legwork around what had happened.
And for providing so many great pictures as always

Let us know of any feedback, comments, omissions, errors etc

Hey and can anyone tell us please when the 111mm family first came on the market? ???
I am thinking the 70s or 80s - We should really have that date in the Wiki
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: LeaF on April 27, 2018, 04:21:23 PM
Thanks for that JM - The missing  pic has been uploaded - So we are now 100%

In 2017 Vic completely revised their 111mm product line - Many, many models were retired, renamed, or converted
Well all the changes are now reflected in the Wiki and I think I can say that every single 111mm page has been updated in some way or other

Thanks to Leaf for letting us know about the changes and doing all the legwork around what had happened.
And for providing so many great pictures as always

Let us know of any feedback, comments, omissions, errors etc

Hey and can anyone tell us please when the 111mm family first came on the market? ???
I am thinking the 70s or 80s - We should really have that date in the Wiki


Thank you, Ralph for your great enormous work!
You're a real giant! :)


I will update some 111-mm models' pages with new pictures (2017 liner-lock models) in the nearest time.
Regarding born-date of this family.. I suppose - early 80s (but I'm not sure for 100%)


Cheers,
Alex


UPDATE: https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,19779.0.html
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on May 10, 2018, 04:12:04 AM
Hi Knights,
I have a proposal for y'awl to consider.

When you go into the layer or main size pages of the WIki - ie you click on a hyperlink from the menu on the right handside (eg You click on the '130mm 5' button )
.....The next sceen that pops up is a blank grey screen - With the regular index down the right hand side, and the Layer Index (which repeats the right hand side index !  :-\ ) down the left hand side
What you then need to do is page down to get to the info you want
- For me this is not very user friendly and a bit of a pain   :pok:

I have a proposal to fix this   :cheers:
We could change the layer index from being presented vertically, as now,  to be presented horizontally
If we did this, you would get to the information you need on the first screen that is presented - And we don't loose the layer index - as it will still be there in a re-arranged format.

I have not changed a whole page - But I have constructed a sample of what the new layer index could look like at the bottom of this page:
http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+111mm+5+Layer+Models
Just page down to see it - I am proposoing that the 'Layer Index' section at the bottom replaces the one you see at the top - For all Wiki layer and size pages

In the proposed new index - The '5' looks a bit lonely and odd at the moment (it is copied from the 'vertical' list)
- I think going forward - We would leave the icon for the page you are on blank - or just use the full list with all hyperlinks every time - Thoughts ?

Whaddya awl think ....  ???  -  To me it's a no brainer  ;)  - But it will change the look of the Wiki
Please let me know your thoughts on whether we should do this  :think:

:salute: Huntsman

PS. LeaF - Thanks for your comments above -  :tu:   -     PM inbound about that other topic we are discussing
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: hiraethus on May 10, 2018, 09:08:48 AM
I like it. :tu:  Looks OK on a mobile screen too.  How does it look on the 91mm SAK page?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: pfrsantos on May 10, 2018, 12:02:01 PM
I like it. :tu:  Looks OK on a mobile screen too.  How does it look on the 91mm SAK page?

My only hesitation was about the look on a mobile. If it's OK, I'd say Yup! Got more info in a smaller space. That's awlways good.

:hatsoff:

 :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on May 11, 2018, 04:07:36 AM
Looks good on my small 4” mobile phone screen... how would it look for those pages with more than 6 layers?

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180511/860af31895d8e49f478b573995086acd.jpg)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on May 11, 2018, 04:40:58 AM

Thanks for the feedback guys - really good to know about the mobile - Good thinking !

Nice screen shot JM
We don't have any pages for 6,7,8  layers etc - There is just the + page, eg as you see in this example, when there are 6 and above layers - So it will all fit on the screen just like you show !

I will make the change fully for the 91mm: all, 1  and 3 layer pages  in the next 24hrs or so - To see how it looks - We can always revert if we don't like it or it does not work  !!
I will pop a quick note here when I have done it
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on May 11, 2018, 10:18:30 PM
I will make the change fully for the 91mm: all, 1  and 3 layer pages  in the next 24hrs or so - To see how it looks - We can always revert if we don't like it or it does not work  !! I will pop a quick note here when I have done it
DONE !!

Check it out..
http://www.sakwiki.com/Victorinox+91mm

One thing I found is that I use the links more in this new format - Which I guess is a good thing?    :tu:
Maybe they are easier to use, as well as being more compact?  ???
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Mechanickal on June 09, 2018, 10:48:01 AM
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=EVO+18

Another related knife is the Victorinox Artisan, which is nearly exact.
It's not linked in the related knives though.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on June 09, 2018, 12:23:55 PM
Another related knife is the Victorinox Artisan, which is nearly exact.
It's not linked in the related knives though.

Fair enough - It is now!

So is the Delémont Evolution 18   :o

Page also got a face lift    ;)    :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Mechanickal on June 09, 2018, 02:25:30 PM
Great!
Thanks!
:salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on July 03, 2018, 07:28:58 AM
So I decided that the 111mm liner and slide lock model comparison matrices needed updating for the 2017 changes.
Unfortunately for me (as Wiki/Tiki tables are a nightmare - especially if you change the column order which of course I did !!  :crash:) I also thought the main table needed restructuring to make it more usable  ... Basically - condensed (so you an see it all on one page) and in layer model order.

This is done now:
http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+111mm+Slide+Lock+Models
As always: feedback, comments, requests etc etc very welcome.

I can't show you the old version - But you can look at the Liner lock table to get some idea of what is was like:
http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+111mm+Liner+Lock+Models

When I recover I guess I'll get onto that one too  :'( 

 
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: LeaF on July 03, 2018, 05:04:06 PM
Thanks, Ralph!


Few cents from me:
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Skipper
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Cadet
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Rucksack


Added some comparative pictures; updated information about Cadet's
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Whoey on July 03, 2018, 05:58:38 PM
 :2tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: pfrsantos on July 03, 2018, 06:02:43 PM
Thanks, guys!

 :salute: :tu:
Title: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: koke on July 04, 2018, 09:51:37 AM
Hi there, I've found in swisschamp XLT shortcut to SAAMs site doesn't get you there.
In XAVT page is also wrong but in Swisschamp and XXLT is correct.

http://victorinox.saam007.com/swisschamp.php

This should be the proper URL
http://victorinox.metodi.me/swisschamp.php

Could anyone update it ?? :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: LeaF on July 04, 2018, 10:04:35 AM
Could anyone update it ?? :tu:
Yes ;)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: koke on July 04, 2018, 10:09:56 AM
Could anyone update it ?? :tu:
Yes ;)

Perfect  :salute:  :like:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on July 10, 2018, 01:20:46 AM
Thanks for the feedback guys

The liner lock table is now done too !!   :tu:
http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+111mm+Liner+Lock+Models

Great pics as ever LeaFy.
I always love the comparison pics with several models/tools - ( aka -  multi ......... tool pics ???     :think:  or even multi multi-tool pics)

Hey  - Can anyone tell me if the 2010 DAK is still a current model please?   ??? 


Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: jaya_man on July 11, 2018, 10:25:19 AM
The DAK 2010 is essentially a Nomad... as of 2017, Nomad is gone and is now the Adventurer... Adventurer used to be a slider lock model...

Confusing, right? :lol:


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: LeaF on July 11, 2018, 10:33:47 AM
DAK2010 is DuapPro X, not Nomad..  ;)


Previous version of DAK - 1993 was based on Centurion
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
Post by: Huntsman on July 14, 2018, 01:16:58 AM
OK  -
So the first version of the DAK was based on the Centurion
The second on the Dual Pro

The Centurion is now known as a Adventurer
The Nomad is now known as a Picnicker
And the DP does not appear in the latest catalogue - So I am assuming it is retired!

Confusing - Deffo - But I think we have all this in the Wiki

So question still is:  Is the Dual Pro version of the DAK still current? - I guess that means being supplied to the Dutch army?
I just need to know whether to also mark it as retired or not!!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on July 14, 2018, 10:06:46 AM
Hello All,

Please excuse me, I just wonder how to get permissions to edit SAKwiki? (I already have got an access, but read-only.)
Could somebody help me, please? Thank you in advance!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on July 14, 2018, 12:52:08 PM
Sending PM
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on July 14, 2018, 12:57:24 PM
Sending PM
Thank you very much, Sir Huntsman!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: koke on July 14, 2018, 02:59:09 PM
Hi all,

I found time ago in iBooks a pretty well done book based on Sakwiki  :o

Does anyone know If it's related to this site?  :think:
It would be great if this book were also updated ...  :climber:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180714/aa824a8589b896d45c7424dd6f272ca2.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180714/9bf1b9243a1aa84a929faf408bc18cca.jpg)



Thanks
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on July 15, 2018, 06:12:49 AM
DAK2010 is DuapPro X, not Nomad..  ;)


Previous version of DAK - 1993 was based on Centurion
I stand corrected... In my reply, somehow the 1993 DAK stuck in my mind :facepalm:


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on July 15, 2018, 06:17:28 AM
OK  -
So the first version of the DAK was based on the Centurion
The second on the Dual Pro

The Centurion is now known as a Adventurer
The Nomad is now known as a Picnicker
And the DP does not appear in the latest catalogue - So I am assuming it is retired!

Confusing - Deffo - But I think we have all this in the Wiki

So question still is:  Is the Dual Pro version of the DAK still current? - I guess that means being supplied to the Dutch army?
I just need to know whether to also mark it as retired or not!!
DAK 2010 is still being supplied. At least I haven’t seen any announcements on a new DAK model...

A small note, there is a slight difference between the DAK 2010 and the Dual Pro X... DAK 2010 has a combo edge on main blade while the Dual Pro X has a plain edged main blade...


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on July 15, 2018, 08:59:01 AM
A small note, there is a slight difference between the DAK 2010 and the Dual Pro X... DAK 2010 has a combo edge on main blade while the Dual Pro X has a plain edged main blade...

Looks like you have been checking the Wiki JM   :pok:   :D    ;)

EDIT: And thanks for the info on the DAK availability   :tu: - I have updated that !
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on July 15, 2018, 10:20:02 AM
Hahaha... who doesn’t?... btw, layer tools section of the Dual Pro X page is confusing...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180715/8a3de39d9d04ff92701250d254ca594e.png)

Wouldn’t it be better to state that “DAK 2010 has a partially serrated edge”?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on July 15, 2018, 10:35:13 AM
Not too sure either if the Dual Pro models were discontinued in 2017 as the 2016 US Catalogue didn’t have the models mentioned as well...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on July 15, 2018, 10:39:15 AM
Hi JM

Yes it was confusing
But please note this section at the top of the Dual Pro X page ......

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Page due to be retired - Information merged into Dual Pro page

http://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Dual+Pro

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Where it says this - See pic below .....

Better?    ???

What date shall we put for retirement?    ???
Title: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on July 15, 2018, 11:14:46 AM
Yup... much better... I’ll leave it up to you to decide...

My presonal preference is to leave the page intact as Victorinox described the two Dual Pro models in their catalogue as distinct from each other... But that’s just me :cheers:


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on July 18, 2018, 02:15:51 PM
Forester, but with orange scales? (like Hunters??)
https://www.euro-knife.com/victorinox-knives-111/swiss-army-knife-victorinox-forester-0.8363.ek
It has unique ID - 0.8363.EK
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: macabee on July 24, 2018, 07:36:20 AM
Many thanks for all your hard work, much appreciated :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on August 04, 2018, 03:56:25 AM
Many thanks for all your hard work, much appreciated :salute:

Thanks macabee    :D   

I'd just like to give a shout out to one of our new editors Nick4 who has been doing some great work adding a lot of missing information, and fixing up some of the formatting in the Wiki

And also to LeaF who continues to enhance the Wiki with his great pics
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on August 14, 2018, 11:38:39 PM
Dear Knights,

I created some SAK Series-related pages in SAKWiki:
If someone with a native English knowledge could check them for mistakes, I would be very grateful.
And I am not sure about formatting too, so corrections and additions are also welcome.

Thank you in advance!  :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on August 15, 2018, 03:56:15 PM
Dear Knights,

I created some SAK Series-related pages in SAKWiki...




Great work!  :woohoo:




Meanwhile, short question: how can I change name of existing page?
Suddenly I've discovered, that we have in our wiki wrong named model - SwissFlash. Victorinox never produced such model, only 'Victorinox Flash' was released as second generation of 58-mm knives with embedded flash-drive.
I've changed all (seems all) wrong names, but I have no idea how to rename existing page as well.
Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on August 15, 2018, 04:25:25 PM
Great work! 
Thanks, LeaF!  :salute:

I've changed all (seems all) wrong names, but I have no idea how to rename existing page as well.
Maybe just create a new page with the correct name and redirect all existing links to it?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on August 16, 2018, 06:27:24 AM
Thanks for all the new pages Nick4 - Great stuff

I can rename the page LeaFy - Will do so - Just hope I can find all the links to update !
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on August 16, 2018, 07:19:49 AM
Oh - That is clever - It automatically updated all the links when I renamed the page  :tu:
(And I had written down the list of 12 pages to update!  :facepalm:)


Hey I see you did the Damascus series page too Nick - Thanks so much for that - It was on my to do list !!
I reconfigured the pictures you put there (which are great BTW!! :) ), and added an existing shot of the Pioneer - Hope that is OK?  ??? 
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on August 16, 2018, 09:20:28 AM
I reconfigured the pictures you put there (which are great BTW!! :) ), and added an existing shot of the Pioneer - Hope that is OK?  ???
Sure, thank you very much!  :salute:  :cheers:

And you probably have seen Ranger 38-36 (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Ranger+38-36) page too. Hope it's OK?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on August 16, 2018, 09:28:26 AM
Oh - That is clever - It automatically updated all the links when I renamed the page  :tu:
(And I had written down the list of 12 pages to update!  :facepalm: )

 :like:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: dkop1 on August 24, 2018, 10:07:15 AM
Suggestion: while trying to look up a wenger I just acquired, I tried looking for similar models and it didn't quite pop up where I expected. The Classic 16 is not listed on the 85mm 3 layer page :) It might also help to list it on the "related to" section for the traveler, as it is a traveler with the corkscrew replaced by a phillips screwdriver. I had to go to the Highlander page and its relatedsection to figure out what I had  :pok:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on August 24, 2018, 11:04:24 AM
The Classic 16 is not listed on the 85mm 3 layer page :)
Fixed.

It might also help to list it on the "related to" section for the traveler, as it is a traveler with the corkscrew replaced by a phillips screwdriver.
Listed.  :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: pfrsantos on August 29, 2018, 04:32:04 PM
Thank you!

 :salute: :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on August 29, 2018, 05:31:03 PM
What the smurf is this?
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=First+Mage+Hogwarts
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: hiraethus on August 29, 2018, 05:32:47 PM
Easter Egg?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on August 29, 2018, 05:35:27 PM
:shrug:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: hiraethus on August 29, 2018, 05:36:02 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_egg_(media)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on August 29, 2018, 05:38:15 PM
I know what an easter egg is :D
I just don't know if this is one.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on September 09, 2018, 07:25:53 AM
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=First+Mage+Hogwarts
No I heard this model was/is actually available from a small gear shop on a street in London somewhere near Kings Cross station
- From memory I think the street was called Diagon Alley
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: ghiekorg on September 09, 2018, 06:20:22 PM
Hi everyone
I just saw online a climber model 1.3703.T88, 2016 Golden limited edition for the Olympic Games. It seems to not be listed in the climber wiki page.
Cheers  😊
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on September 18, 2018, 09:48:24 AM
I just saw online a climber model 1.3703.T88, 2016 Golden limited edition for the Olympic Games. It seems to not be listed in the climber wiki page.
Fixed.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on October 10, 2018, 12:45:04 AM
Hi Folks

I have added this to the first post in this thread
Editors - Over to you !!   ;)   :tu:
SAK Knights / Members - Please feel free to reply to this thread and we will update appropriately


********************************************************* Do List: *********************************************************
This is a do list for the Wiki editors - Which we will try and maintain with requests and additions (from the end of the thread) - and deletions when completed
Note: This is more for major pieces of work - Hopefully minor updates/corrections will be done on the fly as now
Editors - Please feel free to complete any of the below
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: MiniChamp on November 05, 2018, 01:44:10 PM
Thanks a lot for all the great work on the Wiki!  :like:  :salute:

I'm having the following problem: I cannot access any of the links to PDF catalogs on SAKWiki. If I click any of them, I get the message
"Error Permission denied"
These links all have the form:
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=n
where n is a number. The two numbers 1 and 19 correspond to Victorinox catalogs and the 14 numbers in the range 4-17 correspond to Wenger catalogs. I'm consistently getting the "Permission denied" response to all of them. Can this be fixed?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 05, 2018, 09:46:45 PM
Are you still logged in? Session expires after 2 hours.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: MiniChamp on November 05, 2018, 10:14:27 PM
Are you still logged in? Session expires after 2 hours.
Logged in to what? Do I need to log into something to access such stuff on SAKWiki?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 05, 2018, 10:30:56 PM
Are you still logged in? Session expires after 2 hours.
Logged in to what? Do I need to log into something to access such stuff on SAKWiki?

I'm not sure, I can't check the permissions right now, but maybe another admin can. I think file galleries and file downloads are disabled for anonymous users. I don't know if that is correct.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: MiniChamp on November 05, 2018, 11:08:05 PM
Are you still logged in? Session expires after 2 hours.
Logged in to what? Do I need to log into something to access such stuff on SAKWiki?

I'm not sure, I can't check the permissions right now, but maybe another admin can. I think file galleries and file downloads are disabled for anonymous users. I don't know if that is correct.
Thanks. I thought that SAKWiki was supposed to be world-readable. If some content is intentionally restricted (why?), I think that it would be a good idea to clarify it. Right now it looks to me like it's broken.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on November 06, 2018, 01:56:14 AM
Thanks a lot for all the great work on the Wiki! 
I'm having the following problem: I cannot access any of the links to PDF catalogs on SAKWiki. If I click any of them, I get the message
"Error Permission denied"
These links all have the form:
http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=n
where n is a number. The two numbers 1 and 19 correspond to Victorinox catalogs and the 14 numbers in the range 4-17 correspond to Wenger catalogs. I'm consistently getting the "Permission denied" response to all of them. Can this be fixed?

Hi MC,
Thanks for the thanks - We have a good team!! :tu:

I assume that the page you are on is the Victorinox and Wenger Catalogs pages from the main menu - And you are clicking on some of the links in those pages
- Was not too clear from the above....

I just did a test for you - Yes it appears you have to be logged on with your userid to access the PDF as opposed to image catalogues

Thanks. I thought that SAKWiki was supposed to be world-readable. If some content is intentionally restricted (why?), I think that it would be a good idea to clarify it. Right now it looks to me like it's broken.

SAKWiki - Is world-wide readable - And anyone can apply for a user ID - one is usually issued pretty much straight away.

Also not broken - Although I am not sure why you need to be logged on to see the PDFs
- I assume this is some technical Tiki (the Wiki software) reason - Whoey (our tech support guy) may be able to advise 
I do know there are different rules around uploading  pdfs compared to jpegs
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: MiniChamp on November 06, 2018, 04:22:41 AM
Thanks a lot for the information, Huntsman!  :hatsoff:

anyone can apply for a user ID
Out of the 33,000 page views per day that you recently reported, how many come from logged in users? To become a registered SAKWiki user looks to me like a very big deal. One cannot just register, but needs to send a written application in order to hopefully be able to open an account at some unknown point in the future. I can fully understand why such a procedure may be beneficial for giving people some sort of writing access, but I don't see how it benefits anyone to require all this in order for someone to be able to view a PDF catalog.

Quote
Also not broken
Maybe "broken" is not the best word, but I think that the current behavior of the system is certainly very confusing. If some content is only available to logged in users, the relevant error message should say so. An example of a well behaved system, in this respect, is the MTo forum. If one clicks a link that is restricted to logged in users, one gets the message "Only registered members are allowed to access this section. Please login below or register an account with Multitool.org" (along with the relevant login form).

Anyway, I hope that there is a small configuration option that can enable public access to those PDF catalogs. If so, I think that applying it will improve the Wiki.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 06, 2018, 07:51:59 AM
The config option is there, I just checked. I'll leave it to Whoey to decide what to do.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 06, 2018, 11:29:12 AM
I noticed the Victorinox FASS 90 is not yet on the Wiki. Should it be added, and if yes, how? The older Wenger version is mentioned on the Tool List page, with a link to this image (http://sakwiki.com/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=1087). Both models do not have their own pages yet.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on November 06, 2018, 01:19:37 PM
Yes I had noticed that too !!

PM sent
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on November 07, 2018, 03:23:15 AM
maybe a perms thing that changed in an update... floodgate open
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: MiniChamp on November 07, 2018, 04:00:43 AM
maybe a perms thing that changed in an update... floodgate open
Great! :woohoo: Now everything works as expected (by me, at least). Thanks a lot!  :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 08, 2018, 08:52:00 PM
Victorinox FASS 90 and Wenger STGW 90 have been added. Not a lot of info yet. Also, does anybody know their official names?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 08, 2018, 09:46:47 PM
  • Create a page for the new Skipper Pro – And update links / reference pages

Done. I just used a stock image from the Vic website. Links and reference pages were already OK; they were all pointing to your placeholder page.
I also added one small sentence to the marlin spike page and fixed a tiny error in the Tool List Tool to Model Table.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: m47mu74nt on November 10, 2018, 10:28:08 PM
Added mini screwdriver variations : http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Screwdriver-Mini

I didn't play much with formatting and ... have no idea of the precise periods for each variation (apart from what is written here, but I don't want to paste data I am not 100% sure of... : http://victorinox.metodi.me/91mmtools.php#miniscrewdriver)

(http://www.sakwiki.com/show_image.php?id=3889)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on November 11, 2018, 04:10:00 PM
Victorinox FASS 90 and Wenger STGW 90 have been added. Not a lot of info yet. Also, does anybody know their official names?
Thanks a lot!

AFAIK, FASS (Fr.) == STGW  (Ge.); it’s an acronym for the “Assault rifle”. So, the name reflect the language used in the region of Switzerland there this SAK was on sale.

And the SAK listed in the SAKWiki as "Victorinox FASS 90" is also known as “Victorinox Korrekturmesser für Stgw 90” (listed at armeeshop.ch (https://www.armeeshop.ch/messer-werkzeuge/124-victorinox-korrekturmesser-fuer-stgw-90.html) with the reference number  03.610 and at gunworld.ch (http://www.gunworld.ch/gun-multi-tools.html) with the reference number G16.7102).

There is a very interesting thread at MTO (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=60020.0;nowap) about this SAK.

Also there is a related movie on YouTube: 
Victorinox Korrekturmesser für Stgw 90 (SIG 550) (https://youtu.be/-dh6TiW4Mx0)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Rapidray on November 11, 2018, 04:20:51 PM
Victorinox FASS 90 and Wenger STGW 90 have been added. Not a lot of info yet. Also, does anybody know their official names?
Thanks a lot!

AFAIK, FASS (Fr.) == STGW  (Ge.); it’s an acronym for the “Assault rifle”. So, the name reflect the language used in the region of Switzerland there this SAK was on sale.

And the SAK listed in the SAKWiki as "Victorinox FASS 90" is also known as “Victorinox Korrekturmesser für Stgw 90” (listed at armeeshop.ch (https://www.armeeshop.ch/messer-werkzeuge/124-victorinox-korrekturmesser-fuer-stgw-90.html) with the reference number  03.610 and at gunworld.ch (http://www.gunworld.ch/gun-multi-tools.html) with the reference number G16.7102).

There is a very interesting thread at MTO (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=60020.0;nowap) about this SAK.

Also there is a related movie on YouTube: 
Victorinox Korrekturmesser für Stgw 90 (SIG 550) (https://youtu.be/-dh6TiW4Mx0)
Great video
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 11, 2018, 04:37:57 PM
Thanks for the info Nick4!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on November 11, 2018, 04:51:03 PM
Great video

Thanks for the info Nick4!

My pleasure.  :hatsoff:

(I am sorry, till the end of December I probably will have no time to work on the SAKWiki. :( )
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Serena on November 28, 2018, 11:41:55 PM
Added mini screwdriver variations : http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Screwdriver-Mini

I didn't play much with formatting and ... have no idea of the precise periods for each variation (apart from what is written here, but I don't want to paste data I am not 100% sure of... : http://victorinox.metodi.me/91mmtools.php#miniscrewdriver)

(http://www.sakwiki.com/show_image.php?id=3889)
There's a white one now which came with the Christmas 2018 Edition.
Asked Victorinox Nederland where to get one. Hope te receive an answer tomorrow.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on November 29, 2018, 04:26:04 AM
Hi Serena

This information was on this page in the Wiki (Reinier put it there over the weekend)

However I have reformatted the page (with headings etc)  to make it all a bit clearer
Title: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Serena on November 29, 2018, 05:14:33 AM
Hi Serena

This information was on this page in the Wiki (Reinier put it there over the weekend)

However I have reformatted the page (with headings etc)  to make it all a bit clearer
Perfect!!!
Sorry I missed it was already in there. My bad…
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: m47mu74nt on November 29, 2018, 05:51:01 AM
There's a white one now which came with the Christmas 2018 Edition.
Asked Victorinox Nederland where to get one. Hope te receive an answer tomorrow.

If I can get one, I will add a picture of it along with the others

Hi Serena

This information was on this page in the Wiki (Reinier put it there over the weekend)

However I have reformatted the page (with headings etc)  to make it all a bit clearer

Thank you both!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on November 29, 2018, 06:20:55 AM
Feel free to use (if needed) (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181129/c6a7e593c1a1c3222638ca22a03af34a.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181129/d9e83b0a88b0847312e07017660d6649.jpg)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 29, 2018, 08:46:05 AM
Great pics Alex, much better than the stock one I uploaded.
I also added one tiny bit on that new style nail file. It is new, right?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Serena on November 29, 2018, 09:56:12 AM
And there's your white mini screwdriver!!! Maybe a close-up?
Feel free to use (if needed) (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181129/c6a7e593c1a1c3222638ca22a03af34a.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181129/d9e83b0a88b0847312e07017660d6649.jpg)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: m47mu74nt on November 29, 2018, 02:02:57 PM
Feel free to use (if needed)

can you please make a picture of that white baby along with the standard (recent) grey one please?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on November 29, 2018, 02:09:18 PM
I also added one tiny bit on that new style nail file. It is new, right?
Yep..
And there's your white mini screwdriver!!! Maybe a close-up?
can you please make a picture of that white baby along with the standard (recent) grey one please?

Sure, but not today, sorry :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: m47mu74nt on November 29, 2018, 02:20:36 PM
I also added one tiny bit on that new style nail file. It is new, right?
Yep..
And there's your white mini screwdriver!!! Maybe a close-up?
can you please make a picture of that white baby along with the standard (recent) grey one please?

Sure, but not today, sorry :)


no hurry  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Serena on November 30, 2018, 10:17:56 AM
Found a little typo.
Do we post this normally? If not, then sorry…

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181130/f42d9d8a2af029d20486b4ddd1513325.jpg)

'it would Be'
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on November 30, 2018, 10:24:34 AM
You should look better :whistle:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Serena on November 30, 2018, 10:30:52 AM
Wow, the B magically returned!!!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: m47mu74nt on November 30, 2018, 11:03:34 PM
 :rofl:
You should look better :whistle:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 09, 2018, 04:18:41 PM
Moved from another thread
Sort of off topic but it is 91mm and SAKWiki related  - Is it possible to get separate pages for the Cybertools?
It’s slightly odd when things like the SwissChamp page references the 41/L but the link goes to the page for all Cybertools. 
Sorry I know this would create a bit of work clearing up the related links.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 09, 2018, 04:26:30 PM
We have had some debate on this ^^^ in the past

For me - The pages where there are multiple models to a page are great !   :D   
As you get to compare and contrast different models all on one page - Saving visits to multiple pages    :)
And if a link takes you to such a page (eg in your example above Simyo) - You get to see the all info you want/expect  - And a bit more  :tu: 

What do you all think?  ???   :think:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on December 09, 2018, 04:35:13 PM
We have had some debate on this ^^^ in the past

For me - The pages where there are multiple models to a page are great !   :D   :tu:   
As you get to compare and contrast different models all on one page - Saving visits to multiple pages    :)
And if a link takes you to such a page (eg in your example above Simyo) - You get to see the all info you want/expect  - And more

What do you all think?  ???   :think:
You know my opinion
It was discussed many times, but anyway, I prefer to have dedicated pages for every model.

So Cybertool should have 4 different pages.
Huntsman and Huntsman Lite, Fisherman and Fisherman Plus - are different knives and each of them should be presented on own page.

What do you think, folks?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 09, 2018, 05:00:20 PM
To me, it depends on how much those different models differ from each other. Personally, I think e.g. Director and Executive are basically the same model since only the scales (and scale tools) differ.
Pocket Pal, Secretary, same thing.

Cybertools are all different (and I think Swisschamp XLT/XXLT/XAVT are also Cybertool-esque) and deserve their own pages. Maybe we could add "Product group pages" or "Family pages" where all versions of said family are discussed briefly (focusing on the differences in tool configs) with links to the current model pages.

This depends on your definition of "minor difference". Keyring yes or no, scale material, presence or absence of T&T, regular or plus scales?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on December 09, 2018, 05:48:43 PM
This depends on your definition of "minor difference". Keyring yes or no, scale material, presence or absence of T&T, regular or plus scales?
Amount of layers, different tools - they cannot be characterized as 'minor difference' or they do?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 09, 2018, 05:58:24 PM
This depends on your definition of "minor difference". Keyring yes or no, scale material, presence or absence of T&T, regular or plus scales?
Amount of layers, different tools - they cannot be characterized as 'minor difference' or they do?

No, not in my opinion. But Climber versus Original Traveller... Same model as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 09, 2018, 06:40:21 PM
This depends on your definition of "minor difference". Keyring yes or no, scale material, presence or absence of T&T, regular or plus scales?
Amount of layers, different tools - they cannot be characterized as 'minor difference' or they do?

No, not in my opinion. But Climber versus Original Traveller... Same model as far as I'm concerned.

Bad example because one is a retired model...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on December 19, 2018, 10:48:03 AM
Hi mates,


Few weeks before I've promised to upload a comparative photo of Victorinox mini screwdrivers (old gray vs. new white from "White Christmas 2018 Sportsman" model).
As usual, it took more time, than I planned initially.
So, I've decided to make a new 'group photo' of all variations that we have, as SAKWiki said - 4 different types (and new white of course). Can you imagine, how I was surprised, when I discovered that actually we had not 4 but 5 different types of mini screwdrivers before, and white one is a sixth variation?


Thus, short description what we have for now:


I'd like to say 'Thanks' for all who asked me to make these pictures, - as result we have one more record in SAK's tools evolution!  :cheers:



Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 19, 2018, 11:18:11 AM
That's very nice Alex! :tu:
And thank you for adding it to the wiki. I think the part about the white screwdriver can be removed now. Agreed?

I wish they would make more color variations  :dd:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on December 19, 2018, 11:20:33 AM
I think the part about the white screwdriver can be removed now. Agreed?
Sure. I can do it later or if you prefer to do it..  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 19, 2018, 11:22:32 AM
Go ahead sir :hatsoff:

But it may be good to keep a reference to the Sportsman White Xmas so that we know the history of the white version :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 19, 2018, 01:15:43 PM
I would recommend leaving the reference to the white mini SD and Sportsman as is

As it is a true variation developed for a specific model.

The others are evolutionary (historical) changes to the SD
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: ddogu on December 19, 2018, 01:20:36 PM
Feel free to use (if needed) (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181129/c6a7e593c1a1c3222638ca22a03af34a.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181129/d9e83b0a88b0847312e07017660d6649.jpg)

wow this is a lovely SAK!
 :nothingtoadd: :b2t:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 19, 2018, 01:50:59 PM
PS. Thanks LeaFy for the updates .... And discovery !!  Great stuff
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Antti Lammi on December 19, 2018, 05:00:58 PM
How to edit sakwiki, or who can edit it. I have one small detail what is missing

Only Tools Matters

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 19, 2018, 05:53:16 PM
If it's just one small detail you can just post it here or send one of the editors/admins a PM (Huntsman, LeaF, Grant, me, several others).
You can also create an account if you think you would like to contribute more to the wiki :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Antti Lammi on December 19, 2018, 06:03:19 PM
I post it here.

http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Fly+Fisherman (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Fly+Fisherman)

 In this page has mentioned that Fly Fisherman doesnt have scale tools but it actually has Tweezer on scale but not Toothpick, you can also see tweezers on that black scale Fly Fisherman but there isnt mention that these contains any scale tools(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181219/e0aa47caff03594edddd3ff82b6f84df.jpg)

Only Tools Matters

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 19, 2018, 06:14:22 PM
:tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 21, 2018, 12:56:01 AM
Thanks for the info Antti  - Page updated
It seems that scale tools were not always present - eg see spec main image on page - so I commented thus
I also juggled the page around a little

Let me know if it is OK 
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on December 21, 2018, 10:43:35 AM
It's been a few days since the sakwiki moved over to the new server, I take it everything is working ok?
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 21, 2018, 12:16:02 PM
Aha - Timely question sir!

I just spotted some recentish updates I made to the 111mm pages appear to be lost - Is that possible?
We can discuss more details here or in PM if neccy

Thanks for all the move work!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on December 21, 2018, 01:18:55 PM
oops I thought I used a current backup of the database... is it possible it got edited during the move? Hopefully you can redo the edit, sorry.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 21, 2018, 01:20:00 PM
Some tiny edits I made a couple of days ago are gone too. Totally no big deal but I thought I'd mention it.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on December 21, 2018, 01:23:34 PM
sorry... I was fighting to get it to work properly, it's possible I accidentally used an older copy of the database that was from the previous attempt.

I'm terrified of the forum, that's going to be a draining move... database is HUGE.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on December 21, 2018, 01:25:34 PM
No worries :salute:

Are you putting the forum in read only mode for a while?
Good luck with the move :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on December 21, 2018, 01:31:33 PM
when it happens, offline/maintenance. I'm doing my best to prepare, but it's a lot of data to copy from one site to the other...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 21, 2018, 02:15:22 PM
oops I thought I used a current backup of the database... is it possible it got edited during the move? Hopefully you can redo the edit, sorry.

OK WIll re-do the ones I remember  ;)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on December 21, 2018, 08:03:05 PM
thanks, I can probably check the old site database, but I've still got some more pressing work to do first.

Gallery is migrated, and doesn't work properly  :-\
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Antti Lammi on December 21, 2018, 10:28:51 PM
Thanks for the info Antti  - Page updated
It seems that scale tools were not always present - eg see spec main image on page - so I commented thus
I also juggled the page around a little

Let me know if it is OK
Good to see that you putted info there, i didnt also notices first but played little with my newly aquored Fly Fisherman an i noticed that there were tweezer but no toothpick. Not actually sure does all versions have tweezers

Only Tools Matters

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Whoey on December 23, 2018, 05:36:30 PM
wiki now has SSL cert (https) so your browsers can stop complaining about insecure site...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 23, 2018, 10:09:48 PM
Thanks Whoey  - I think we lost a few updates - I have redone mine - No problem - I think I got them all!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on December 27, 2018, 03:04:59 PM
Sort of off topic but it is 91mm and SAKWiki related  - Is it possible to get separate pages for the Cybertools?
It’s slightly odd when things like the SwissChamp page references the 41/L but the link goes to the page for all Cybertools. 
Sorry I know this would create a bit of work clearing up the related links.
I did not split the pages
Been trying to work that last one out for a year!! - The Tiki software cannot cope with these links if they contain a number   :twak:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 20, 2019, 11:23:02 PM
Been doing a little tidying up of the SMKW knife series pages
I have a question for y'all

The four models: Bass, Deer, Eagle, Turkey - Appear in the main 91mm model listing  page
https://sakwiki.com/Victorinox+91mm

As they are not regular models - I think they should not be there!!

So I am proposing to remove them - But to put in a link to the series page
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+SMKW+Wildlife+Series
on the main 91mm page.

They also appear in the appropriate 2,3,4 layer pages - I propose to leave them there

Thoughts? ???
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on January 21, 2019, 06:07:19 AM
Leave them as they are.
40% of alox models in SAKWiki also isn't regular models, Master Gardener and Master Electrician also are special runs. Should they be removed too?

Huntsman, you are doing a huge work in SAKWiki, no doubt, but please, don't make such extreme deleting
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on January 21, 2019, 07:20:32 AM
He's not deleting the pages :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on January 21, 2019, 09:37:45 PM
Huntsman, you are doing a huge work in SAKWiki, no doubt, but please, don't make such extreme deleting
Yep I am often beavering away trying to make the Wiki:
But don't worry - no information ever, ever, ever gets deleted   :salute:
Just sometimes re-organised a little !  :)

And in this case if I had done what I proposed:
The only change would be that a link to the family page would replace the link to the individual pages in the main 91mm page
So IMHO not a very extreme change !!    :think:

My thoughts/logic for these models was that they made for a single dealer in a single country
- And that the main 91mm page should just feature standard, globally available, Vic models
So yes I was thinking the Master Elec and G should also be presented in the Wiki in the same way !

However I did not know that nearly half the 93mm models were also specials
And for sure we do have some Swiss Bianco specials in the various pages
So I am happy to leave it all as is!

PS. I am going to send you both a PM about some other changes a while ago !
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: LeaF on January 22, 2019, 08:12:30 AM
Huntsman, you are doing a huge work in SAKWiki, no doubt, but please, don't make such extreme deleting
But don't worry - no information ever, ever, ever gets deleted   :salute:



You can do anything you want.
I feel myself little bit tired from these endless discussions.
The main issue (IMO) - you doesn't take into consideration any opinion except your own.

I'm not going anymore reply in this thread either make any changes in SAKWiki.
Sorry for this, but it became senseless.
Good luck
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on February 09, 2019, 11:11:29 PM
Hey folks,

Sometimes pictures in the Wiki pages get screwed up - eg Disappear completely, or go tiny
This seems to happen for a few reasons: Eg
Software changes, the way the page is formatted, or links to other websites which become broken.
This recently, (or maybe even a while ago :o ),  happened to the Pen and Battle Series pages.

If anyone finds broken pictures - Please let us know here so we can fix them.
This is probably a better route to fix than the 'Contact Us' link in the Wiki. Although that should work too, eventually. 
The Pen page is fixed, the Battle Series pages fixes are in progress!
The Blades page also needs to be fixed and I hope to get onto that sometime soon.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on February 28, 2019, 03:25:05 PM
Maybe this pic can be interesting for the wiki?

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190228/1d6866849d91719602a9019f7bb9abe1.jpg)

Swisstool X, Mercedes edition incl unique leather pouch with Mercedes logo.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on February 28, 2019, 03:30:47 PM
That's a cool one. I used to own a BMW version with special pouch and also a black bit holder :)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on February 28, 2019, 04:29:18 PM
:drool:

I knew BMW had a set, never knew about Mercedes...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on March 02, 2019, 05:09:11 AM
Maybe this pic can be interesting for the wiki?
Swisstool X, Mercedes edition incl unique leather pouch with Mercedes logo.

Thanks for this M - Very interesting ....

It's not a great photo - But it's in

- Better to have the variation and image in the Wiki  than not at all !!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on March 02, 2019, 07:55:55 AM


It's not a great photo

I know :D

I tried some different angles and shots, but the showroom lights were causing a glare on the glass and by then the receptionist started raising an eyebrow. :rofl:

Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on March 02, 2019, 08:02:50 AM
Oh and we don't "believe" there is a BMW branded one, we know :D

https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=36099.0
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on March 02, 2019, 09:17:09 AM
^^^ Thank you - Corrected !!

Re the photo - Apologies I did not mean to be rude and I guessed that was the reason ie Showroom shot - maybe with glass in the way etc etc

Funny re the receptionist ...... and the crazy things we do to get MT shots
- Once I tried to take a photo of a cop with a LM on his belt - He was not too keen !!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on March 02, 2019, 02:02:47 PM
^^^ Thank you - Corrected !!

Re the photo - Apologies I did not mean to be rude and I guessed that was the reason ie Showroom shot - maybe with glass in the way etc etc

Funny re the receptionist ...... and the crazy things we do to get MT shots
- Once I tried to take a photo of a cop with a LM on his belt - He was not too keen !!
No apologies needed H.!
No offense was taken at all. I just had the same thought about it, which is why I agreed in the first place :rofl:

We're all good :cheers:

I wonder how common the Merc version is and if it's worth trying to presuade the boss into giving me a discount :D
I visit the store a few times a year since it's a client of the company I work for.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: CeHo on April 04, 2019, 08:45:17 AM
I try to get more informations about the Wenger Evolution 565 - actually it’s not in the SAKWiki - maybe we get a new article for this model...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on April 06, 2019, 06:31:42 PM
Dear Knights,

I have created  a Victorinox Christmas Series (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Christmas+Series) page in the SAKWiki.

If somebody with a native English knowledge could check it for mistakes, I would be very grateful.
Any corrections and additions are welcome too.

Thank you in advance!  :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: CeHo on April 06, 2019, 06:35:29 PM
Dear Knights,

I have created  a Victorinox Christmas Series (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Christmas+Series) page in the SAKWiki.

If somebody with a native English knowledge could check it for mistakes, I would be very grateful.
Any corrections and additions are welcome too.

Thank you in advance!  :salute:

@ all SAKWIKI-editors: many thanks for your work :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on April 06, 2019, 07:33:30 PM
Very nice page! Just 2 suggestions on the landing page. I had a quick look at the links and they look OK. In English, the inverted commas are kept at the top, e.g. “the quick fox”.

“...Since 2015 Victorinox every year produces a special edition of knives for the Christmas.

Where There are two sub-series...”
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on April 06, 2019, 08:30:47 PM
Max Stone, thank you very much!  :hatsoff:

“...Since 2015 Victorinox every year produces a special edition of knives for the Christmas.

Where There are two sub-series...”
Shame on me!  :(

Fixed (I hope :) ).
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on April 06, 2019, 09:05:50 PM
Fixed  :hatsoff: :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on April 08, 2019, 08:01:18 AM
Dear Knights,
I have created  a Victorinox Christmas Series (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Christmas+Series) page in the SAKWiki.
If somebody with a native English knowledge could check it for mistakes, I would be very grateful.
Any corrections and additions are welcome too.
Thank you in advance!

Woo Hoo   :woohoo:   :hatsoff:   
I don't think I had put this page in the to do list in this thread - But it was definitely in my mental to do list
I was originally thinking two pages - But if they are both always Christmas editions it makes sense to merge them - And the top photo of the coloured scales with the white is just great   :cheers:
So I am very happy that you have created this page Nick4  ..... Thank you   :tu:

As Nick4 will tell y'all - He does all this great work - Then I come along and fiddle with it - And Nick is always so gracious towards my fiddling - Thank you again Nick   :D    :salute:

Anyway I've done it again on the Christmas knives - I thought we should take out the multiple repetitions of the word special edition in the model list and pic description  and also the year of issue
I also thought that we should make the hyper link title just reference the model page - as that is where the link goes - ie to prevent users clicking the link and getting to a page they just visited. 

EDIT PS: I was tempted to change 'All models (but 1.3704.3E1) are sold in special packaging' to say 'All models (bar 1.3704.3E1) are sold in special packaging'.
Private joke between Nick and I  !!   ;)

Let me know if the changes are OK or not
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Reinier on April 08, 2019, 08:35:11 AM
Looks good chaps :salute:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on April 08, 2019, 09:53:54 AM
Let me know if the changes are OK or not
:tu: Thank you very much, Sir Huntsman!  :hatsoff:  :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on April 08, 2019, 12:17:13 PM
Had another idea for this page - I think you are going to like it   :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on April 08, 2019, 12:28:34 PM
No pics yet of the MTO PX on the Pioneer X page? :pok: :twak:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on April 08, 2019, 02:23:58 PM
Had another idea for this page - I think you are going to like it   :D
I am sure.   :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on April 08, 2019, 05:12:15 PM
No pics yet of the MTO PX on the Pioneer X page? :pok: :twak:
Don't know what you are talking about !!  :D
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on April 08, 2019, 05:26:31 PM
Saweet :facepalm:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on April 08, 2019, 07:00:50 PM
Seeing a few SAKWiki admins here,  :whistle:

I thought I’d chime in with a suggested edit for the Pioneer page, as some models are missing from the list. These are the South African-specific models that were a limited edition production run:

Pioneer Red Alox (0.8201.20R4)
Pioneer Blue Alox (0.8201.22R4)
Pioneer Black Alox (0.8201.23R4)
Pioneer Green Alox (0.8201.24R4)
Pioneer Orange Alox (0.8201.79R4)

Pics below. Tried to get the colors accurate. Pretty close, just the red a little too saturated.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: CeHo on April 08, 2019, 08:04:57 PM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Nick4 on April 09, 2019, 09:30:49 AM
I thought I’d chime in with a suggested edit for the Pioneer page, as some models are missing from the list. These are the South African-specific models that were a limited edition production run:
Many thanks! Identifiers have been added.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on April 09, 2019, 03:24:42 PM
 :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: smiller43147 on May 22, 2019, 05:41:45 PM
I was checking out my favorite tool, the Pocket Toolchest on the wiki, and I followed the link to the Reamer page.  No 65mm Reamer/awl on that page.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on May 26, 2019, 06:38:44 AM
Seeing a few SAKWiki admins here,  :whistle:
I thought I’d chime in with a suggested edit for the Pioneer page, as some models are missing from the list. These are the South African-specific models that were a limited edition production run:
..........
Pics below. Tried to get the colors accurate. Pretty close, just the red a little too saturated.

Hey Max - Thanks for this - Are these models the same as variation 7 in the Pioneer page or are they a different set/run

https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Pioneer#Variations

If different we should also add them as a different variation - If not we can add the pic to that line item

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on May 26, 2019, 10:56:03 AM
Hello Huntsman - yes, exactly that run so that picture applies perfectly.  :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on May 27, 2019, 06:45:50 PM
Huntman , perhaps you can add some info to the HELMSMAN page https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Helmsman
The MARINER is mentioned in that page but there is no further info.
Attached a MARINER picture. This SAK has a full serrated blade and not partially like the HELMSMAN .
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on May 28, 2019, 01:51:38 AM
@ Max - Added the family pic to the Pioneer SA variation

@ Ivo - Thanks for the info - I added the pic and a new variation - Now No. 4
Not too happy with this page (or at least the variations section)  - It's a bit confusing with the name change (over time?) and possibly different names in different markets
For instance - Is variation 2 the same as variation 5 ? ??? ....... It looks like it - And was Helmsman CS an official name (I added the comments in brackets today)
- I know previous editors sometimes made up names in some instances !!   :o

If anyone can think of better wording please let me know - or make the change if you are an editor!
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Ivo on May 28, 2019, 09:28:26 AM
Thanks Huntsman , I'll try to find more info about this SAK models  :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: smiller43147 on May 28, 2019, 08:52:26 PM
I was checking out my favorite tool, the Pocket Toolchest on the wiki, and I followed the link to the Reamer page.  No 65mm Reamer/awl on that page.
Huntsman, could you add the 65mm awl/reamer to the Reamer page on SAKWiki?
https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Reamer (https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Reamer)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on May 29, 2019, 02:17:10 AM
Hi Smiler
- Thanks for the heads up on this omission - and the great piccie (that matches the others - cudos)
Will update soon - The whole page needs a bit of work as the piccies have gone tiny - This can be fixed but it's a  bigger job

Re the Helmsman/Mariner - LeaF has chipped in with some useful info - I also checked the Wiki gallery - And this is where we are:
Please review and if we all agree I'll update accordingly ....

The Mariner was the first version and it had a fully serrated blade and regular red scales
The Mariner was also available in a corkscrew version
The Helmsman was the later incarnation and introduced the blue scales
The Helmsman was available with fully or partially serrated blades..... (as was the Skipper)
The fully serrated version was unofficially known as a Helmsman CS

Possibly either name was used in different markets?  Any thoughts?  ???  Or was it purely a time and scale thing - as described above?

I am not sure where the CS name came from (maybe a Wiki editor? ???) and why CS? - As CS normally means corkscrew
- Maybe - Completely Serrated - This is a bit confusing  :pok:
If we think this is an unofficial/made up name - I would rather change it to FS - Fully serrated - Which is what the Wiki uses elsewhere.

Any comments or more enlightenments folks ?  ???

Thanks all
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: smiller43147 on May 29, 2019, 03:52:55 AM
Hi Smiler
- Thanks for the heads up on this omission - and the great piccie (that matches the others - cudos)
Thanks, I tried to match the two existing photos.
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on May 29, 2019, 01:38:23 PM
Just a question to soldier knives experts... Any reason why there is no model 1908 listed?

Soldier 1890 page mentions that same model with some variations continued on until 1951...

Whilst, LCSAS has a separate listing for 1908... the page even has a blue print for model 1908...

http://www.couteaux-du-soldat-suisse.ch/J01/index.php/en/les-couteaux-du-soldat

http://www.couteaux-du-soldat-suisse.ch/J01/images/photos_site/modeles/1908/1908.pdf

I can understand model 1901 isn’t there as some experts considered this to be the same as model 1890 except for the scales...


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Title: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on May 29, 2019, 01:44:44 PM
Hey Huntsman, wanna use this pic for the Wenger Soldat 1961 page?

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190529/a99d0fc2d63dadf34bdd2112a9446376.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190529/05d514568dada5a3e65cb8295b4b42d9.jpg)

It shows my specimens for the Soldat /Standard Issue (16520) / Swiss Army 70... I will need to take a better one... looks a bit dark...


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Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on May 29, 2019, 02:37:58 PM
Just a question to soldier knives experts... Any reason why there is no model 1908 listed?
Soldier 1890 page mentions that same model with some variations continued on until 1951...
Whilst, LCSAS has a separate listing for 1908... the page even has a blue print for model 1908...
http://www.couteaux-du-soldat-suisse.ch/J01/index.php/en/les-couteaux-du-soldat
http://www.couteaux-du-soldat-suisse.ch/J01/images/photos_site/modeles/1908/1908.pdf
I can understand model 1901 isn’t there as some experts considered this to be the same as model 1890 except for the scales...

Jaya are you suggesting a whole new page for the 1908 model?

So the main difference from 1890 model to 1908 is the drop point to spear point - Right?

In the Wiki we say this:

1890 Soldier Developments
The original Swiss Soldier Knife was issued to Swiss troops beginning in 1891, and has continued every year to the present day. This model was issued until 1951. Karl Elsener’s company, in conjunction with other Swiss cutlers, took over production in late 1891.
- The knives were originally produced with wooden handles, regular carbon steel and a drop-point blade.
- After 1901 the handles were switched to a brown wooden fibrous material.
- In 1908 the blade was switched to a clip-point design.
- Knives produced from 1921 (to the present day) have the year of production stamped on the tang of the main blade as two digits: YY - e.g. '36 ' for 1936. 

So I think we have it covered ?   :think:

LCAS for sure will always be the definitive source for Soldier information

Thoughts Soldier experts ?
Title: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on May 29, 2019, 02:45:12 PM
Huntsman, I was just merely asking for background on the sakwiki approach... ie, why no soecific mention or page on the model 1908... Not only did it have the clip point blade, but the screw driver tool is different...

Ulli’s soldier evolution pic is to the point in terms of milestones but does not mention the model numbers...

Another basis for the query, is I was asked in a discussion on the local Indonesian SAK grp about this as well, when there are alot of references to the specific model 1908...
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: jaya_man on May 29, 2019, 02:47:35 PM
Oh here’s the edited Wenger Soldat pic...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190529/c7f3d7701ffb9ac477a8c3ba88463c73.jpg)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on May 31, 2019, 01:37:25 AM
I updated the 1890 Soldier page to really make clear the evolution of the 1890 model through the 1901 and 1908 variations
https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Soldier+1890

This was a good suggestion and improvement - Thanks Jaya

- As always comments/feedback/requests welcome

Hoping to get onto the catalogues next and finish off updating the Battle Series
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: CeHo on June 01, 2019, 09:53:15 PM
Maybe interesting for the Wiki:
Wenger Porsche including paperwork

(https://i.imgur.com/TuUJ0XS.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on June 01, 2019, 11:05:07 PM
:ahhh
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: CeHo on June 01, 2019, 11:18:53 PM
 :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Huntsman on June 11, 2019, 04:45:01 AM
Maybe interesting for the Wiki: Wenger Porsche including paperwork

It was   :tu:  ...... https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Wenger+Porsche+Design+Series    :D
The page was also a bit messed up - So I fixed it!

Mauser variant also added - Thanks Meccy
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Mechanickal on June 11, 2019, 06:45:56 AM
:salute:

Good job :tu:
Title: Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
Post by: Max Stone on June 11, 2019, 08:58:47 AM
Great page Huntsman.  :like: