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Title: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Kampfer on November 23, 2017, 12:54:47 AM
I will see you there.
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Poncho65 on November 23, 2017, 05:32:40 PM
You going??!!! :o :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh

If so that is totally cool Kampfer :like: :like:
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: 5hif7y on November 23, 2017, 07:15:26 PM
make sure to take lots of pictures for those of us that aren't going  :tu:
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Kampfer on November 23, 2017, 07:41:35 PM
You going??!!! :o :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh

If so that is totally cool Kampfer :like: :like:
Yes, because TL thinks I am influential in the prepper community and would like me to attend.
 :tu:

Now I just need a proper MTO shirt to represent. 
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: ThePeacent on November 23, 2017, 09:49:28 PM
pics! pics!

 :pok:

enjoy it  :salute:
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Poncho65 on November 23, 2017, 10:38:50 PM
pics! pics!

 :pok:

enjoy it  :salute:

+1 What Peacent said :D
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: 84millimeter on December 02, 2017, 11:56:05 AM
Always look forward to the YouTube videos for this show! Being in the UK it’s quite unlikely I’ll ever go.
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: BCNZ on December 03, 2017, 01:28:23 AM
You going??!!! :o :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh

If so that is totally cool Kampfer :like: :like:
Yes, because TL thinks I am influential in the prepper community and would like me to attend.
 :tu:

Now I just need a proper MTO shirt to represent.

Who`s TL?
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Kampfer on December 04, 2017, 09:28:14 AM
You going??!!! :o :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh

If so that is totally cool Kampfer :like: :like:
Yes, because TL thinks I am influential in the prepper community and would like me to attend.
 :tu:

Now I just need a proper MTO shirt to represent.

Who`s TL?
Tim Leatherman.
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: BCNZ on December 05, 2017, 02:07:08 AM
Thanks for the reply.   :tu:
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Kampfer on January 22, 2018, 06:36:27 PM
See you there!
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: NKlamerus on January 22, 2018, 09:02:58 PM
That's awesome! Can't wait for the photos.
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: tosh on January 22, 2018, 11:15:09 PM
Can I make a polite suggestion  :whistle:

Take a hacksaw with you, Head straight for the LM stand, Get TL's attention, whip out your hacksaw and chop the frigging nose off the Surge...Y'know maybe...just maybe TL will get the subtle hint  :rant: :rant:

 :think: Even better, Take a big Nut & Bolt and a pair of Gerber MP600 Blunt Nosed, then attempt to undo big Nut & Bolt using ALL Leathermans  line up, then finally as the huge crowd which hopefully will have gathered by now curios to see this spectacle .. whip out the Blunt Nosed MP600 and do the job properly.... :ahhh

Yes, that would surely do it  >:D >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: ThePeacent on January 23, 2018, 10:28:42 AM
starts today right?
Looking forward to your posts, Kampf!!  :salute:
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Sam Lim on January 23, 2018, 06:04:49 PM
All the hypes seems to be happening around leatherman and Sog. Wonder what Gerber or others have up their sleeves..
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: tommywp on January 23, 2018, 08:25:33 PM
Come on Kam...throw us a bone!
 :ahhh
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: dks on January 23, 2018, 08:41:09 PM
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Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: pomsbz on January 23, 2018, 09:10:50 PM
Looking forward!
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Kampfer on January 24, 2018, 03:15:03 AM
Photos from day 1
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.10155311860959016&type=3

I did a quick (8 hours)walk around to locate all the venders.
Without much of in depth discussion, just a quick induction of new products.

I had scheduled an interview with Tim Leatherman the man himself tomorrow.

Feel free to post any MT related questions here and I will try to find you answers.
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Kampfer on January 24, 2018, 03:21:15 AM
Quick points:
Victorinox: Nothing new other than new scales, a small stand for making Spartan or Classic on spot as you order the "Wounded Warrior" project scales.
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Kampfer on January 24, 2018, 03:21:29 AM
Quick point:
Leatherman: New Wave+, Charge AL+ and Charge Tti+.
Pre-production specimens were on display, the production model would have "+" stamped on scales. ALX is no more, the AL would have additional cutting hook on serrated blade. No other changes made.
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Kampfer on January 24, 2018, 03:23:54 AM
Quick point:
Gerber: New Truss and Suspension Nxt
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Kampfer on January 24, 2018, 03:27:11 AM
Quick point:
SOG: New Poweraccess Deluxe, PowerLitre and PowerPint, Keytron and Bite. Powergrab didn't do well last year and discontinued.
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Kampfer on January 24, 2018, 03:28:47 AM
Quick point:
CRKT, new Technician and a Tactical Key.
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: sir_mike on January 24, 2018, 03:29:10 AM
By the looks of your Spyderco pic, it looks like a Spydie SAK is in the works!  :)
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Poncho65 on January 24, 2018, 03:30:47 AM
 :salute: :like: :like:
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Kampfer on January 24, 2018, 03:31:53 AM
Quick point:
Spyderco, two new mutilitool knives, liner lock 8cr13mov knife blade with slip joint drivers, no phillips driver.
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Higgins617 on January 24, 2018, 03:53:19 AM
Awesome pics man, Suspension really has me interested. Looks from your shot that they addressed the major design issue with it while improving some features. If it continues to come in at the $20 pricepoint with better performance it could sell big for them.

Looking forward to hearing more on all of it!
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Kampfer on January 24, 2018, 04:02:23 AM
I plan on doing a video on each of the new 2018 MT.
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: ddogu on January 24, 2018, 12:29:06 PM
I plan on doing a video on each of the new 2018 MT.

Please do!  :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: jaya_man on January 24, 2018, 01:45:55 PM
Seen the pics on that big foto of TL...

“It has to be perfect. My name is on every tool.”

Hope this means better quality for 2018. Just seen pics of a friends Juice CS4... the new one with shorter blade. Slightly used and never abused. But unfortunately, a backspring broke.


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Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: ThePeacent on January 24, 2018, 02:11:15 PM
thank you Kampf,
pics and news much welcome and appreciated  :tu:
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: tommywp on January 24, 2018, 03:10:02 PM
Quick point:
Leatherman: New Wave+, Charge AL+ and Charge Tti+.
Pre-production specimens were on display, the production model would have "+" stamped on scales. ALX is no more, the AL would have additional cutting hook on serrated blade. No other changes made.


.....whaaa whaaa whaaaaaaaaa
:-\
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Monrogue on January 24, 2018, 03:25:05 PM
Thanks for all the info Kampfer :salute:

Proud SAKMC member :)

Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: ThePeacent on January 24, 2018, 06:19:56 PM
so far most things are boring, unrefreshing or pretty standard.   >:(
I feel underwhelmed with what most brands have to offer.

The ones I liked the most where the new Condor Amalgam, the ZT Hinderer collab (obviously out of my price range and comfortable purchases), and the Spyderco multi tools (Even those were overpriced and seem like they have lots of wasted space)
Most of the new Kershaws looked very good, but considering that they are 2-3 times their US price here in Europe, I won't' ever ge my hands on them  :P

Also Buck came out with their ultra lightweight 110 but I don't care for that model, just think it is nice and a long-desired addition to their catalog.

And even if I could have all the above for 1/4th of their retail price, I have too many tools and knives and stuff so I don't really feel like acquiring new stuff this year   :D
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Smashie on January 24, 2018, 07:01:56 PM
so far most things are boring, unrefreshing or pretty standard.   >:(
I feel underwhelmed with what most brands have to offer.

The ones I liked the most where the new Condor Amalgam, the ZT Hinderer collab (obviously out of my price range and comfortable purchases), and the Spyderco multi tools (Even those were overpriced and seem like they have lots of wasted space)
Most of the new Kershaws looked very good, but considering that they are 2-3 times their US price here in Europe, I won't' ever ge my hands on them  :P

Also Buck came out with their ultra lightweight 110 but I don't care for that model, just think it is nice and a long-desired addition to their catalog.

And even if I could have all the above for 1/4th of their retail price, I have too many tools and knives and stuff so I don't really feel like acquiring new stuff this year   :D

Yup the Amalgam is a good looking knife  :tu:
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: tosh on January 24, 2018, 09:23:16 PM
so far most things are boring, unrefreshing or pretty standard.   >:(
I feel underwhelmed with what most brands have to offer.

You are certainly not alone, the stagnant progression is what slowed my interest down in collecting Multitools.
Kamps discovery that LM's contribution for 2018 is to add a '+' to their existing line up does nothing to reawaken the spark I once had. Victorinox's predictable banal tool configuration along with SOG's naff China built tack is what's making me stay away. I applaud Gerber for the "Center Drive".

 But seriously WTF!!

Dull Dull Dull
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: David Bowen on January 24, 2018, 10:54:53 PM
We continue to see new tools and they look different that the older ones  (sometimes) but how much is innovative? Ever since the early 2000's I feel the industry has gone stagnant. Yes we have some very nice tools and they do a great job. But they all have the same style, same format, same stuff. Leatherman could have stopped at the Wave/Pulse/Supertool etc and stopped. They would still be making money I feel regardless of creating new designs. Am I the only one that thinks this way?

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Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Kampfer on January 24, 2018, 11:02:50 PM
I have videos and photos of new SOG & Gerber, will post them tonight.
Going to meet with Tim Leatherman now.

Remember to ask me what you want to see.
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: tosh on January 24, 2018, 11:15:54 PM
I have videos and photos of new SOG & Gerber, will post them tonight.
Going to meet with Tim Leatherman now.

Remember to ask me what you want to see.

I would love to know why Leatherman will not create a Blunt Nose version of the Surge or ST300
I never need nor use needlenose pliers. They are a complete waste of time for me
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Gareth on January 24, 2018, 11:32:53 PM
Great work Kampfer so far.  :cheers:
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Poncho65 on January 25, 2018, 02:08:49 AM
Great work Kampfer so far.  :cheers:

+1 and can't wait to hear more :tu: :like:
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Kampfer on January 25, 2018, 02:33:02 AM
Day 2:
Focusing on Leatherman, Gerber & SOG's new 2018 MT's.
Pictures and videos are posted at https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.10155311860959016&type=3
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Kampfer on January 25, 2018, 03:34:58 AM
(https://scontent.flas1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26992408_10204290373176238_3105849161445241327_n.jpg?oh=8ca55f502ab471f0fc22c16b84b29c67&oe=5ADA707F)
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Smashie on January 25, 2018, 05:57:11 AM
(https://scontent.flas1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26992408_10204290373176238_3105849161445241327_n.jpg?oh=8ca55f502ab471f0fc22c16b84b29c67&oe=5ADA707F)

Awesome  :drool:

Don't suppose you could stop by the Air Arms booth could you?
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Kampfer on January 25, 2018, 06:18:18 AM
(https://scontent.flas1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26992408_10204290373176238_3105849161445241327_n.jpg?oh=8ca55f502ab471f0fc22c16b84b29c67&oe=5ADA707F)

Awesome  :drool:

Don't suppose you could stop by the Air Arms booth could you?
Air Arms is not a listed exhbitor
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Kampfer on January 25, 2018, 06:28:42 AM
spoke to Tim Leatherman for an hour, super nice guy, very down to earth, wrote down all my opinions and suggestions.

A few highlights of our conversation:
Request for replaceable cutter on Wave / Charge. Addressed.
Request for Blunt nose pliers. Noted.
Request for more focus and attention on developing MT for working men instead of hipsters. Noted.

Tim admits he thought the Tread was a gimmick and not sure about it, but it is selling as fast as Leatherman can produce it.

Tim was very curious about why my brother switched from ST300 to CenterDrive. My brother gave him a ear full.
Tim smiled and lightly hinted there is something in the work to counter it. ;)

Tim explained why he offers the 25 years warranty instead of the common life time warranty... A very interesting story.
In his time, magazines were full advisement of cheap junk knives and tools came with "Life Time Warranty", he felt such term was over used, he decided on 25 years. In reality, Leatherman's warranty is a life time guarantee.
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Kampfer on January 25, 2018, 06:35:41 AM
Highlights of my conversation with Gerber:
Suspension has been Gerber's best seller for years, but it is an aged design, so they are offering Truss and Suspension Nxt this year.

CenterDrive is a big hit, we already knew that.

MP1 is not selling as well as expected, but the sale of MP1 military models are good.
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Kampfer on January 25, 2018, 06:42:37 AM
Highlights of my conversation with SOG:
Powergrab is discontinued just after one year.
Reactor is discontinued as well.

There is only one sample of Powerlitre at shotshow, I did not get to exam it.
They did not aware of the issue of flathead drivers on Powerpint until I point it out.
Chris suggest we leave that part out of the video. :-[
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: kaput on January 25, 2018, 06:56:45 AM
Benchmade knocked it out of the park this year. Listened to all the feedback on "mini" knives of popular versions and executed. And came out with new innovative designs to boot.

Just wanted to add a positive note
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Smashie on January 25, 2018, 07:04:41 AM
(https://scontent.flas1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26992408_10204290373176238_3105849161445241327_n.jpg?oh=8ca55f502ab471f0fc22c16b84b29c67&oe=5ADA707F)

Awesome  :drool:

Don't suppose you could stop by the Air Arms booth could you?
Air Arms is not a listed exhbitor

Probably under Air Guns of Arizona
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Kampfer on January 25, 2018, 07:15:55 AM
(https://scontent.flas1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26992408_10204290373176238_3105849161445241327_n.jpg?oh=8ca55f502ab471f0fc22c16b84b29c67&oe=5ADA707F)

Awesome  :drool:

Don't suppose you could stop by the Air Arms booth could you?
Air Arms is not a listed exhbitor

Probably under Air Guns of Arizona
Found it, what do you like to know?
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Smashie on January 25, 2018, 07:25:14 AM
(https://scontent.flas1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26992408_10204290373176238_3105849161445241327_n.jpg?oh=8ca55f502ab471f0fc22c16b84b29c67&oe=5ADA707F)

Awesome  :drool:

Don't suppose you could stop by the Air Arms booth could you?
Air Arms is not a listed exhbitor

Probably under Air Guns of Arizona
Found it, what do you like to know?

Just your take on it, if you have time, they just launched a new rifle aimed (ahem) at  the US market
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Kampfer on January 25, 2018, 07:29:34 AM
(https://scontent.flas1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26992408_10204290373176238_3105849161445241327_n.jpg?oh=8ca55f502ab471f0fc22c16b84b29c67&oe=5ADA707F)

Awesome  :drool:

Don't suppose you could stop by the Air Arms booth could you?
Air Arms is not a listed exhbitor

Probably under Air Guns of Arizona
Found it, what do you like to know?

Just your take on it, if you have time, they just launched a new rifle aimed (ahem) at  the US market
I am not an air rifle guy so not sure where to begin.
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: tosh on January 25, 2018, 09:22:31 AM
""Request for Blunt nose pliers. Noted""

Thanks Kam :tu:

So, I wait though I admit I'm sceptical anything will come of it.
Personally I think maybe LM should swallow a little pride and outsource the plier head to specialists like knipex. It's ridiculous that 35yrs down the line replaceable cutters are needed to compensate for the fact that LM steel is smurfe.
Until MT manufacturers move away from the silly gadget idea, MT's will always (in my view) be a very poor substitute to "real tools"
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: ThePeacent on January 25, 2018, 10:11:14 AM
spoke to Tim Leatherman for an hour, super nice guy, very down to earth, wrote down all my opinions and suggestions.

A few highlights of our conversation:
Request for replaceable cutter on Wave / Charge. Addressed.
Request for Blunt nose pliers. Noted.
Request for more focus and attention on developing MT for working men instead of hipsters. Noted.

Tim admits he thought the Tread was a gimmick and not sure about it, but it is selling as fast as Leatherman can produce it.

Tim was very curious about why my brother switched from ST300 to CenterDrive. My brother gave him a ear full.
Tim smiled and lightly hinted there is something in the work to counter it. ;)

Tim explained why he offers the 25 years warranty instead of the common life time warranty... A very interesting story.
In his time, magazines were full advisement of cheap junk knives and tools came with "Life Time Warranty", he felt such term was over used, he decided on 25 years. In reality, Leatherman's warranty is a life time guarantee.

Good to hear, thanks a lot!
Now we both have a signed Surge,  :cheers:

(https://i.imgur.com/4eNpVNq.jpg)

As for Tim I was also sure about his thoughts ont he Thread, glad you brought that up. Not surprising that it sells so well today, looking at how gear and MTs, knives etc. has definitely become affected by the "showoff", "Man jewelry" and "has to look nice in a pic" attitude fueled by the growth of social media,m Instagram, Facebook, etc.  :(

Knives are a good example too, looking at enwer offerings from WE, ZT, Spyderco etc. these last years, most have weird curves and looks, "couch flipper" features (ceramic ball bearings, carbon fiber inserts, anodized deep carry pocket clips, custom screws and proprietary hardware, etc.) and this is sad to me.
You did good in pointing out the "hipsterisation" ( :rofl:) currently ongoing on most brands to Tim, hopefully he'll act consequently and do something on his part.

Your brother putting the ST300 to shame in comparison to the Center Drive and the reasons he gave TIm must have been fun, and I'd have loved to see Tim's face and reaction during the explanation. That big LM tool made of smaller tools that you posted in your Facebook looks amazing!  :o
I'm sure te tools were riveted or glued so that no-one decided to take "part of the cake" for himself  :D

Tim is indeed a down to earth, sensible person and a pleasure to chat with.  :salute:
I also asked him about the warranty and told me the same story 3 years ago, it's good to see he is a man of his word and even more, willing to go further than the company policy for his customers and loyal followers.
Their warrant is top notch.

Thanks for all your effort, pics and work.
I hope you enjoyed it a lot!!!  ;)
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on January 25, 2018, 11:04:07 AM
so far most things are boring, unrefreshing or pretty standard.   >:(
I feel underwhelmed with what most brands have to offer.

+1

Few Condors I liked, but that braided wire thing that now seems standard on their handles doesn't do it for me. :think:

Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: ThePeacent on January 25, 2018, 04:39:17 PM
so far most things are boring, unrefreshing or pretty standard.   >:(
I feel underwhelmed with what most brands have to offer.

+1

Few Condors I liked, but that braided wire thing that now seems standard on their handles doesn't do it for me. :think:

me neither  :P
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: jaya_man on January 26, 2018, 09:49:35 AM
Awesome coverage Kampfer :hatsoff:


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Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Kampfer on January 26, 2018, 08:00:33 PM
Not much more to cover MT wise on day 3.
A quick visit to Nite Ize booth to look at their 2018 MT/Gadget related products.
I was given free samples from Nite Ize to review.

SHOT Carry
(https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19598805_10204296715254786_1733124784964176362_n.jpg?oh=223d601df2a9ba3ff03830ae578474f3&oe=5B25F404)
Now that is a knife!
(https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27067576_10204296762215960_8997984379399575699_n.jpg?oh=a343156523f0c284575def8411669fc1&oe=5AEB201A)
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: ReamerPunch on January 26, 2018, 08:10:02 PM
Now that is a knife!
(https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27067576_10204296762215960_8997984379399575699_n.jpg?oh=a343156523f0c284575def8411669fc1&oe=5AEB201A)

I'd rather have a drawer handle on the blade instead of a nail nick.  :rofl:
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: ThePeacent on January 27, 2018, 12:37:21 PM
Not much more to cover MT wise on day 3.
A quick visit to Nite Ize booth to look at their 2018 MT/Gadget related products.
I was given free samples from Nite Ize to review.

SHOT Carry
(https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19598805_10204296715254786_1733124784964176362_n.jpg?oh=223d601df2a9ba3ff03830ae578474f3&oe=5B25F404)
Now that is a knife!
(https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27067576_10204296762215960_8997984379399575699_n.jpg?oh=a343156523f0c284575def8411669fc1&oe=5AEB201A)

Cold Steel will have a hard time beating that folder in size... :rofl:
Title: Re: SHOT Show 2018
Post by: Poncho65 on February 02, 2018, 01:10:46 AM
Great coverage Kampf :salute: I have met Tim and had a few tools myself signed :tu: He really is a very nice guy to meet and I hope something comes out of the conversation and that some of the vendors in general listened :like: