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Title: Micra Disappointment
Post by: SirVicaLot on March 02, 2019, 01:10:11 AM
I received my Micra today and went to test it right away. Unfortunately i was quickly really disappointed. Not sure if mine was just flawed, but the scissors were really bad.

While they were somewhat decent cutting paper and thin cardboard, they were not able to cut the plastic shipping sleeve or some cheap Chinese paracord. Instead of cutting the paracord it just got stuck in between the two scissor halves.
I inspected the scissors closely, but could not see any damage. So i decided to sharpen them, but the result was the same. I attached two photos, maybe someone sees something wrong with i do not.

Has anyone had a similar experience? I was really disappointed since the scissors are the main tool on the micra. :-\
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Happy Gilmore on March 02, 2019, 02:37:51 AM
That is definitely strange, I've seen them cut through credit cards and other tough things before. I think you might have gotten a bad one possibly.
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 02, 2019, 02:51:49 AM
Sounds like the jaws aren't close enough together. Wonder if that is why the seller let such an old Micra go? Perhaps a little peening is in order?
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Happy Gilmore on March 02, 2019, 02:54:37 AM
Sounds like the jaws aren't close enough together. Wonder if that is why the seller let such an old Micra go? Perhaps a little peening is in order?

Seems like the perfect warranty send in.
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 02, 2019, 02:58:15 AM
He'll get back one without USA on the pivot. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: SirVicaLot on March 02, 2019, 03:25:41 AM
I checked the jaws and they looked fine to me. Maybe the rivet is too loose so the paracord gets stuck instead of cut?  :think:

This one was part of a larger pile of Micras, so no idea how the others are. Maybe i will get a new one and see how that holds up. Are they still produced in the US or is this a „Designed in US, Made in China“ kinda thing?

Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 02, 2019, 03:46:52 AM
They are still made in the USA. But, since some of the components come from Mexico and Europe, LM hasn't put USA on the tools(by law) since the early 2000s. :ahhh
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: SirVicaLot on March 02, 2019, 03:53:29 AM
Thanks for the info. I might wait until i find one on a sale. In the mean time i decided to mod this one. Always wanted a completely knife and scissorless tool for those places where you can‘t take either.  :tu:
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: cody6268 on March 02, 2019, 04:01:28 AM
I had one bought new at our local Rural King that had the same problem. Should have sent it in to LM, ended up taking apart. Why I don't know.  It's the one thing with used tools--one example might look as if it's never seen a day of use (in fact, one time, I had a Super Tool OG so new, the warning sticker for the lock was still on it) and some that are just horrible with tons of problems.
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Sam Lim on March 02, 2019, 04:07:59 AM
Hmm.. Alot of MT scissor are often wonky. There are often sweet spots that can cut certain material. Micra is a rather longish scissor so flexing is inevitable. You may have to cut the material at some angle so they have lesser chance of folding over the material. Sharpen definitely helps. The angle that they grind the scissors is not steep enough to bite and slice some material. Best value for money for a small scissor, the little craftman branded scissors MT is excellent. I use mine to cut all sorts of nonsense stuff. Never fails. The rest of the tools on it are typical Chinese slippery fanfare though.
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 02, 2019, 04:10:34 AM
Thanks for the info. I might wait until i find one on a sale. In the mean time i decided to mod this one. Always wanted a completely knife and scissorless tool for those places where you can‘t take either.  :tu:
Looking forward to seeing what you do with it! :popcorn:

I had one bought new at our local Rural King that had the same problem. Should have sent it in to LM, ended up taking apart. Why I don't know.  It's the one thing with used tools--one example might look as if it's never seen a day of use (in fact, one time, I had a Super Tool OG so new, the warning sticker for the lock was still on it) and some that are just horrible with tons of problems.
:iagree:

Hmm.. Alot of MT scissor are often wonky. There are often sweet spots that can cut certain material. Micra is a rather longish scissor so flexing is inevitable. You may have to cut the material at some angle so they have lesser chance of folding over the material. Sharpen definitely helps. The angle that they grind the scissors is not steep enough to bite and slice some material. Best value for money for a small scissor, the little craftman branded scissors MT is excellent. I use mine to cut all sorts of nonsense stuff. Never fails. The rest of the tools on it are typical Chinese slippery fanfare though.
Glad to know you're a fan of the Craftsman scissor tool. :like:
I only retired the Craftsman when I bought a couple of CrossCut 2.0s. The CrossCut is a cutting beast if you can handle the uncomfortable grip.
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: SirVicaLot on March 02, 2019, 04:12:19 AM
I had one bought new at our local Rural King that had the same problem. Should have sent it in to LM, ended up taking apart. Why I don't know.  It's the one thing with used tools--one example might look as if it's never seen a day of use (in fact, one time, I had a Super Tool OG so new, the warning sticker for the lock was still on it) and some that are just horrible with tons of problems.

This is the first used one i had issues with. All others were easy fixes so far. Hope this will be the only one with issues.
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: SirVicaLot on March 02, 2019, 04:15:44 AM
Hmm.. Alot of MT scissor are often wonky. There are often sweet spots that can cut certain material. Micra is a rather longish scissor so flexing is inevitable. You may have to cut the material at some angle so they have lesser chance of folding over the material. Sharpen definitely helps. The angle that they grind the scissors is not steep enough to bite and slice some material. Best value for money for a small scissor, the little craftman branded scissors MT is excellent. I use mine to cut all sorts of nonsense stuff. Never fails. The rest of the tools on it are typical Chinese slippery fanfare though.

I guess i was just spoiled by the Vic scissors. They have not failed on paper, plastic, wire, paracord and all other i used them on so far.
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Sam Lim on March 02, 2019, 04:48:31 AM
Looking forward to seeing what you do with it! :popcorn:
 :iagree:
Glad to know you're a fan of the Craftsman scissor tool. :like:
I only retired the Craftsman when I bought a couple of CrossCut 2.0s. The CrossCut is a cutting beast if you can handle the uncomfortable grip.

The craftsmen are hard use scissor!  :tu: my feelings for the CrossCut is quite the opposite though.. Personally I find them to be pretty weak in cutting thicker material.. I retired them and went with the craftsmen scissors..  :D :D
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 02, 2019, 05:10:19 AM
The CrossCuts are hit and miss. The US versions aren't good at all, and half of the 2.0s are not aligned properly. But, after some back and forth with SOG replacements, I ended up with two fantastic examples(one for the collection and one that is always clipped to my belt loop with a backup light[mag solitaire led]).  :woohoo:
Imagine cutting through jumbo zip-ties like they were butter. :)
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Sam Lim on March 02, 2019, 05:28:39 AM
The CrossCuts are hit and miss. The US versions aren't good at all, and half of the 2.0s are not aligned properly. But, after some back and forth with SOG replacements, I ended up with two fantastic examples(one for the collection and one that is always clipped to my belt loop with a backup light[mag solitaire led]).  :woohoo:
Imagine cutting through jumbo zip-ties like they were butter. :)

What!!  :twak: sog! My specimen is probably the missed batch then!
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: gerleatherberman on March 02, 2019, 05:34:39 AM
I had one CrossCut that was so bad, that the jaws didn't even make edge-contact until the very tips. :rofl:
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: MickeS on March 02, 2019, 10:31:55 AM
Had my Micra for many years. Used the h_ll out of the sissors. Never had an issue until maybe the last six months. The sissors aren't so tight anymore. Thought about buying a new one but now I wonder if the build quality has gone down over the years?
And is there a way to fix the gap in the sissors? A bit of sentimental value on this one.
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: gadgetman7 on March 02, 2019, 01:22:25 PM
Had my Micra for many years. Used the h_ll out of the sissors. Never had an issue until maybe the last six months. The sissors aren't so tight anymore. Thought about buying a new one but now I wonder if the build quality has gone down over the years?
And is there a way to fix the gap in the sissors? A bit of sentimental value on this one.
Peening it might help.


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Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: AimlessWanderer on March 02, 2019, 01:32:09 PM
If its any consolation, my brand new 30th anniversary edition Micra, which is supposedly a celebration of many years of producing high quality tools, is absolutely dreadful. The pivot is loose and the tool actually rattles if held by one arm. Peening will likely fix it, but I haven't bothered yet, it just got thrown in a drawer in disgust.
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: MTMatt on March 02, 2019, 04:29:02 PM
I received my Micra today and went to test it right away. Unfortunately i was quickly really disappointed. Not sure if mine was just flawed, but the scissors were really bad.

While they were somewhat decent cutting paper and thin cardboard, they were not able to cut the plastic shipping sleeve or some cheap Chinese paracord. Instead of cutting the paracord it just got stuck in between the two scissor halves.
I inspected the scissors closely, but could not see any damage. So i decided to sharpen them, but the result was the same. I attached two photos, maybe someone sees something wrong with i do not.

Has anyone had a similar experience? I was really disappointed since the scissors are the main tool on the micra. :-\

I had two Micras so far and both are fine.
They're both an older generation though.

The pivot on yours looks weird to me  :think:
Mine does not show that funny bump.
Is it loose maybe?

Update:

Just made a quick gif.
To reproduce your problem I did use the very end as you did, although that's not ideal in general.

The scissors pushed the paracord a bit forward so missed the very end. But snapped through it fully...

(https://i.imgur.com/ubr7teg.gif)
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Barry Rowland on March 02, 2019, 04:44:10 PM
Now I'm wondering about mine...
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: mtoolman on March 02, 2019, 04:51:17 PM
The best scissors is the one on the Surge.
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Aloha on March 02, 2019, 04:55:43 PM
Reported recently that my Micra would not cut thread and certainly not paracord.  It did cut paper great but  :twak: I was not happy.  I tweaked them ever so slightly, bent the cutting edge closer together along the whole cutting edge.  They were sharp but the space in the center of the cutting surface was gapped. 

They work great now and will cut thread along the whole cutting edge. 

We are spoiled with Vic scissors.  On a side note, my Style CS is flawless as are my Squirt scissors.   
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: SteveC on March 02, 2019, 05:20:40 PM
Both my Micras cut about the same but one cuts better towards the front and the other better towards the back. I find my Surge scissors the same, they cut better towards the front for fine things.

The best scissors Leatherman ever made IMO are the ones on later PST II's and the OG Wave.
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Fuzzbucket on March 02, 2019, 05:32:12 PM
... runs off (with scissors) to find things to cut...
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: ddogu on March 02, 2019, 05:51:29 PM
Sounds like the jaws aren't close enough together. Wonder if that is why the seller let such an old Micra go? Perhaps a little peening is in order?
  :iagree:
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: MickeS on March 02, 2019, 06:38:18 PM
Peening it might help.


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I'm Swedish and google doesn't translate Peening. Is that squeeze it in a vise or slam it with a sledgehammer?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: SteveC on March 02, 2019, 06:48:23 PM
Tighten the rivet by striking with a ball and peen hammer.
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: SteveC on March 02, 2019, 06:49:46 PM
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/peen
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Sam Lim on March 02, 2019, 07:48:52 PM
The best scissors is the one on the Surge.

I still vote for the Craftsman's  :pok:
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Happy Gilmore on March 02, 2019, 07:53:04 PM
I still vote for the Craftsman's  :pok:

dude, literally just saw a video of that tool. Holy moly, those things are sheers not scissors! They are so thick on each side, definitely getting one as a scissor benchmark tool.


 :tu:
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Sam Lim on March 02, 2019, 07:59:10 PM
dude, literally just saw a video of that tool. Holy moly, those things are sheers not scissors! They are so thick on each side, definitely getting one as a scissor benchmark tool.


 :tu:

That's a gem of a scissor MT with a tiny price tag. U will love it. But note that the rest of the tools that comes with it are just meh...  :cheers:
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Happy Gilmore on March 02, 2019, 08:31:19 PM
That's a gem of a scissor MT with a tiny price tag. U will love it. But note that the rest of the tools that comes with it are just meh...  :cheers:

I was going to do a Sewing Multi-tool mod using a micra, but I think the craftsman would be actually much much better both because of its size and construction. I was going to put bobins and such on the tool to make it a leather stitching tool and sewing kit in one. This is literally the perfect size.

Cheers,
HG
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: MickeS on March 02, 2019, 09:29:54 PM
 :like: :hatsoff:
Tighten the rivet by striking with a ball and peen hammer.
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: SirVicaLot on March 03, 2019, 03:05:50 AM
... runs off (with scissors) to find things to cut...

Don't run with scissors, that is dangerous! Did you not learn that in pre-school?  :D :pok:
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: SirVicaLot on March 03, 2019, 03:06:49 AM
I still vote for the Craftsman's  :pok:

Do you have a link for those? Finding all sorts of craftsman stuff, but nothing looks like a multitool   :dunno:
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Happy Gilmore on March 03, 2019, 03:27:40 AM
Do you have a link for those? Finding all sorts of craftsman stuff, but nothing looks like a multitool   :dunno:

https://pin.it/2eqm5z6bexxxau
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: SirVicaLot on March 03, 2019, 03:48:10 AM
https://pin.it/2eqm5z6bexxxau

Thank you HG!  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Poncho65 on March 03, 2019, 04:11:43 PM
Don't think I have ever seen the Craftsman one :think: Nice :cheers:

Also I think the OP's Micra must be a dud :-\ I have a few Micras and have never had trouble cutting anything with them :think: Well anything normal ;) as rocks and steel don't count :D (no I haven't ever tried to cut those ::) )

and somebody stop Fuzzy before he falls and we end up in the emergency room................again :facepalm: :D
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: SirVicaLot on March 03, 2019, 05:46:29 PM


and somebody stop Fuzzy before he falls and we end up in the emergency room................again :facepalm: :D

Tell me more about that story   :D :popcorn:
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Happy Gilmore on March 03, 2019, 08:33:49 PM
Tell me more about that story   :D :popcorn:

This ^

 :popcorn: :popcorn: :pok: :pok: :pok:
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Poncho65 on March 03, 2019, 09:16:54 PM
No story :D you guys just don't know Fuzzy :ahhh :D
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Fuzzbucket on March 03, 2019, 09:58:05 PM
No story :D you guys just don't know Fuzzy :ahhh :D

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HopefulLazyHedgehog-small.gif)
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Happy Gilmore on March 03, 2019, 11:09:01 PM
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HopefulLazyHedgehog-small.gif)

 :rofl: :rofl:

I guess you should only be allowed scissors that fold huh?..hmm..so thats why you like multi-tools...kind of like a safety helmet for you?

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a2/86/9a/a2869a787386e4f1c034dc8f2bbe45f3.jpg)
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Fuzzbucket on March 04, 2019, 11:57:26 AM
:rofl: :rofl:

I guess you should only be allowed scissors that fold huh?..hmm..so thats why you like multi-tools...kind of like a safety helmet for you?

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a2/86/9a/a2869a787386e4f1c034dc8f2bbe45f3.jpg)

I like how she's one hand casualy resting on the worktop not on the wok... She's a real pro, she knows what she's doing.
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Happy Gilmore on May 23, 2019, 03:13:41 PM
Necroing this thread cause I want to talk a bit more about scissor multitools. If I can honestly depend on Micra scissors working the would be a perfect additon. But the one I got was nearly useless at anything but paper. Thoughts on possible changes?

Not satisfied with Leap scissors either, which leaves me very annoyed. How is it that all Vic scissors work perfectly but Leatherman can't produce one?
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Aloha on May 23, 2019, 03:47:31 PM
I wish I liked the Micra too.  I just cannot get on with them. 
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Sam Lim on May 23, 2019, 04:10:11 PM
Necroing this thread cause I want to talk a bit more about scissor multitools. If I can honestly depend on Micra scissors working the would be a perfect additon. But the one I got was nearly useless at anything but paper. Thoughts on possible changes?

Not satisfied with Leap scissors either, which leaves me very annoyed. How is it that all Vic scissors work perfectly but Leatherman can't produce one?

I dun have much problem with micra.. Perhaps some steeper sharpening on the scissors? Bend the scissors a little more so they crosses over a little more? Or the angle of the cutting plays a huge part. Be mindful of the angle so there are lesser possibility of them folding over the scissors. Vic, I hate the leaf springs they use. They are pretty flimsy imo..
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: temo on May 23, 2019, 06:45:25 PM
Noticed the same. Not so good with soft material. But fine with harder material.

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Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Aloha on May 23, 2019, 10:48:44 PM
I have a Style CS that I want to really like.  Its such a cool tool.  I am going to work out the scissor "problems" with this and the Micra.  I did tweak the Micra a bit but I think I need to give it a little more tweak or twerk.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 06, 2019, 07:56:15 AM
Necroing this thread cause I want to talk a bit more about scissor multitools. If I can honestly depend on Micra scissors working the would be a perfect additon. But the one I got was nearly useless at anything but paper. Thoughts on possible changes?

Not satisfied with Leap scissors either, which leaves me very annoyed. How is it that all Vic scissors work perfectly but Leatherman can't produce one?
The Free P2/P4 scissors are fantastic. :)
Somewhere between the king of scissors(LM Surge) and the royal guard of scissors(91mm Vic).  :)
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Aloha on June 06, 2019, 02:58:25 PM
My Surge scissors have always been great.  I don't often use my Charge/Wave scissors but I cannot recall them letting me down.  My Squirt PS4 scissors are also good which is why its so disappointing the Micra and Style scissors are not as good.   
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Sam Lim on June 06, 2019, 03:11:19 PM
My Surge scissors have always been great.  I don't often use my Charge/Wave scissors but I cannot recall them letting me down.  My Squirt PS4 scissors are also good which is why its so disappointing the Micra and Style scissors are not as good.   

Perhaps that are longer and thinner.. Easier to flex and fold over material.. U will notice that the better scissors does not really flex..
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Aloha on June 06, 2019, 04:23:02 PM
I guess as I think about it more.  I might be expecting MORE from these scissors than reasonable  :dunno:.

Vic scissors.  I rarely if ever have any material fold within the scissors.  If they cannot cut they just stop but they dont fold the material within.  I dont find much they cannot cut tho.   

Micra/Style CS.  If the scissors cannot cut they tend to fold the material.  I find this on random material.  The closer I get to the tip it seems the "sharper" they are.

Examples.  I was adjusting my window blinds cord.  I don't know what kind of string/material that is.  Seems simple enough to cut.  Micra folded it over.  I tried the tip and further towards the pivot.  They would not cut. 

My 91mm cut with ease.  It was straightforward use of the scissors. 

Paracord.  Sometimes Micra can get thru with bites.  91mm, 58mm no problems.   

I've had the same experiences with some fabric too.  Bandana, cotton T shirt, etc.  When the Mirca doesn't want to cut it folds the material. 

Now if I hold certain material taught then sometimes my Mirca can get thru.  I don't always want to do this nor can.       
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: MTMatt on June 06, 2019, 06:24:31 PM
I guess as I think about it more.  I might be expecting MORE from these scissors than reasonable  :dunno:.

Vic scissors.  I rarely if ever have any material fold within the scissors.  If they cannot cut they just stop but they dont fold the material within.  I dont find much they cannot cut tho.   

Micra/Style CS.  If the scissors cannot cut they tend to fold the material.  I find this on random material.  The closer I get to the tip it seems the "sharper" they are.

Examples.  I was adjusting my window blinds cord.  I don't know what kind of string/material that is.  Seems simple enough to cut.  Micra folded it over.  I tried the tip and further towards the pivot.  They would not cut. 

My 91mm cut with ease.  It was straightforward use of the scissors. 

Paracord.  Sometimes Micra can get thru with bites.  91mm, 58mm no problems.   

I've had the same experiences with some fabric too.  Bandana, cotton T shirt, etc.  When the Mirca doesn't want to cut it folds the material. 

Now if I hold certain material taught then sometimes my Mirca can get thru.  I don't always want to do this nor can.     

From my experience this is often related to a rather loosely assembled pivot.
Some 2 years ago I've reworked a couple of my LM scissors (all sorts) by tightening the pivots a bit (peened them carefully).
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Aloha on June 06, 2019, 06:25:41 PM
 :salute:  I'll give them a WHACK, softly that is. 
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: gerleatherberman on June 06, 2019, 08:35:33 PM
 :iagree:

A good peening sometimes does the trick. It is just a shame that the people who assemble some of the LM tools don't have any equipment to peen with. ::)
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: SirVicaLot on June 06, 2019, 08:41:32 PM
Wouldn‘t a screw pivot make that easier? Then one would need only a small screwdriver  :dunno:
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Aloha on June 06, 2019, 09:20:23 PM
  :iagree:

Plus sharpening would be a lot easier too.   
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Sam Lim on June 07, 2019, 02:41:08 AM

I've had the same experiences with some fabric too.  Bandana, cotton T shirt, etc.  When the Mirca doesn't want to cut it folds the material. 

Now if I hold certain material taught then sometimes my Mirca can get thru.  I don't always want to do this nor can.     

I want a micra that can fold my clothes..
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: SirVicaLot on June 07, 2019, 03:30:23 AM
 :rofl:

With the size of the Micra i think it could only fold smurf clothes  :D
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Sam Lim on June 07, 2019, 04:19:50 AM
:rofl:

With the size of the Micra i think it could only fold smurf clothes  :D

 :D :D
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: Aloha on June 07, 2019, 06:24:25 AM
 :rofl:
Title: Re: Micra Disappointment
Post by: MTMatt on June 07, 2019, 11:23:04 AM
:rofl: