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Title: A strange Identifiers
Post by: xfile on March 13, 2019, 08:51:36 AM
I have a deluxe tinker,But I've never seen such an identifier before.Is this the American version?
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: xfile on March 13, 2019, 08:55:53 AM
Oh, by the way, its shield is inlaid on the back.It's very strange.
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: glenfiddich1983 on March 13, 2019, 08:58:32 AM
Shields on the backside are quite common on advertising knifes, on which the advertisement is on the front. But this one doesn't have any advertising?
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: xfile on March 13, 2019, 09:05:07 AM
Shields on the backside are quite common on advertising knifes, on which the advertisement is on the front. But this one doesn't have any advertising?

It has no advertisements, mainly because the number is strange.
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: zoidberg on March 13, 2019, 09:06:07 AM
I vaguely recall reading somewhere that the WOH might stand for without hook...
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: hiraethus on March 13, 2019, 09:08:52 AM
 :iagree:  And I expect that a reverse shield/part variant like that would have a different part number.  5-digit codes are US models, BTW.
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: xfile on March 13, 2019, 09:12:44 AM
This is the front.
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: xfile on March 13, 2019, 09:15:16 AM
:iagree:  And I expect that a reverse shield/part variant like that would have a different part number.  5-digit codes are US models, BTW.
Does the American edition number begin with 7?
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: hiraethus on March 13, 2019, 09:16:11 AM
No idea, sorry.
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: xfile on March 13, 2019, 09:17:14 AM
I vaguely recall reading somewhere that the WOH might stand for without hook...

You're right. It doesn't have hooks.
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: Reinier on March 13, 2019, 10:04:51 AM
Maybe it means "Woh, that's a nice SAK!"

I couldn't find any reference to that 73540 number. Maybe it is the store's internal model no.?
This guy has the same SAK, also with the shield on the back: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/vic-deluxe-tinker.337145/#post-2987664
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: xfile on March 13, 2019, 11:07:21 AM
No idea, sorry.

Thank you, buddy.
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: xfile on March 13, 2019, 11:15:00 AM
Maybe it means "Woh, that's a nice SAK!"

I couldn't find any reference to that 73540 number. Maybe it as the store's internal model no.?
This guy has the same SAK, also with the shield on the back: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/vic-deluxe-tinker.337145/#post-2987664

thanks buddy, I don't think it's a store's internal model no,I wonder if this number still appears on other models,Start with 7
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: kamakiri on March 13, 2019, 07:24:52 PM
Cool find!

Perhaps it's for in-store engraving.  A blank front scale would have more available area.
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: xfile on March 14, 2019, 01:39:20 AM
Cool find!

Perhaps it's for in-store engraving.  A blank front scale would have more available area.

yes,It looks very likely.
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: ThundahBeagle on March 14, 2019, 01:59:27 AM
Hi

Can we know the era of this Deluxe Tinker? What is the tang and its reverse side like? If it is old enough, the WOH being "without hook" would not be applicable.

So, if it is without hook, and the tang stamps and other features date it to be pre 1990 or 1991 or so, then it SHOULDNT have the hook.

If the shield is on the reverse side but there is no advertisement, perhaps it was in a stack, waiting to have the advert stamped on, when it got mixed up and sent out.

Did you get it used or new?
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: ThundahBeagle on March 14, 2019, 02:02:39 AM
By the way, my first SAK was a Super Tinker (1988-89). I almost destroyed that one. Got a Deluxe Tinker as a gift/ replacement in 2012. Its in my pocket now, and my original Super Tinker is now on my nightstand in semi-retirement.

A great line of knives.
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: xfile on March 14, 2019, 02:12:35 AM
By the way, my first SAK was a Super Tinker (1988-89). I almost destroyed that one. Got a Deluxe Tinker as a gift/ replacement in 2012. Its in my pocket now, and my original Super Tinker is now on my nightstand in semi-retirement.

A great line of knives.

HI buddy,it's a four lines sign with big V,I think it's a product after the 90s,and It's brand new.
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: xfile on March 14, 2019, 02:17:52 AM
By the way, my first SAK was a Super Tinker (1988-89). I almost destroyed that one. Got a Deluxe Tinker as a gift/ replacement in 2012. Its in my pocket now, and my original Super Tinker is now on my nightstand in semi-retirement.

A great line of knives.
You're right.,tinker Is a good knife,but this tinker is my first. :)
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: ThundahBeagle on March 14, 2019, 03:06:28 AM
My '88 is a 4 lines, big V.  The last line is Rostfrei.

Does the other side of the main blade tang have a crossbow or not? They dropped 4 lines to 3, changed Rostfrei to Stainless, and got rid of the crossbow on the newer versions

Does the keyring anchor appear to be placed WITHIN a layer (between two liners) in the awl layer, or is it a thinner shim to the liner closest to the scissors, but near the Philips? If it is a thin shim near the Philip's, it is pre '91.

And by the way, is the head of the Philip's slotted?

It may be older than you realize

Edit: they DROPPED the word Rostfrei. Changed "Switzerland" to "Swiss Made"


Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: ThundahBeagle on March 14, 2019, 03:36:34 AM
Most of those changes happened around 1991, however, the dropping of the Crossbow, I believe happened around 2005, which is also when that BladeForums posting was made.

Check your obverse side tang for a Crossbow. If it is not there, then it is a 2005 or later knife, and WOH makes sense to be without hook.

If the crossbow IS there, if the keyring anchor is a thin shim  near the philips, of you have 4 lines including big V and Rostfrei, it may be old enough to pre-date the hook. Other clues pointing to older builds would be a slot through the tip of the Philip's (not always present) and a screw through the pivot of the scissors.
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: xfile on March 14, 2019, 03:42:48 AM
My '88 is a 4 lines, big V.  The last line is Rostfrei.

Does the other side of the main blade tang have a crossbow or not? They dropped 4 lines to 3, changed Rostfrei to Stainless, and got rid of the crossbow on the newer versions

Does the keyring anchor appear to be placed WITHIN a layer (between two liners) in the awl layer, or is it a thinner shim to the liner closest to the scissors, but near the Philips? If it is a thin shim near the Philip's, it is pre '91.

And by the way, is the head of the Philip's slotted?

It may be older than you realize

Edit: they DROPPED the word Rostfrei. Changed "Switzerland" to "Swiss Made"

Oh, buddy, I'll give you the details in a few days, because it's still on its way to my house. : :facepalm:

Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: ThundahBeagle on March 14, 2019, 04:49:18 AM
Oh, buddy, I'll give you the details in a few days, because it's still on its way to my house. : :facepalm:

No worries. Now we have something to look forward to
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: AndyTiedye on March 14, 2019, 06:24:29 PM
If it predated the hook, why would it have the WOH suffix on the name?  That implies that hooks were the default when it was made.

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Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: Mechanickal on March 14, 2019, 06:28:08 PM
Good point...
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: xfile on March 15, 2019, 12:33:02 PM
If it predated the hook, why would it have the WOH suffix on the name?  That implies that hooks were the default when it was made.

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Yeah, it should be later than the hook version.
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: xfile on March 18, 2019, 11:57:45 AM
No worries. Now we have something to look forward to

Here comes the details.
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: xfile on March 18, 2019, 12:00:21 PM
No worries. Now we have something to look forward to
Still details
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: ThundahBeagle on March 19, 2019, 02:55:32 AM
Nice example of a nice time period.

It is kind of (but not) close to the cusp of hook or no hook. My Super Tinker has no hook, but all of the same features /details that your Deluxe Tinker has, and mine is an '88.

The hook comes into play circa 1991. I think they stopped the Philip's slot around the same time.

Really, since your Deluxe Tinker seems to have been made prior to the introduction of the hook, the WOH meaning without hook, on the box would not make sense, since the hook didn't exist yet and would therefore not be referenced.

Back then, however, there was no Amazon. I'm willing to bet some stock remained on dealer shelves sometimes for years before being sold. Point of fact, I walked into a hardware store just last year and bought a "brand new" Buck knife, which turned out to be date coded 2011. Another point in examination is a thread in which I have a SAK that would seem to be from the early 80's, but there is a note inside from an uncle to his nephew dated late 80's.

So, I wonder if dealers added the WOH stamp to stocked boxes to make sure they knew which ones to rotate out first.

Nice knife.
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: ThundahBeagle on March 19, 2019, 02:58:04 AM
Or maybe ones with, and without the hook were being produced on different production lines at about the same time in the late 80's, and some came from the factory with the indication

How many production lines were running concurrently in 1989?
Title: Re: A strange Identifiers
Post by: xfile on March 19, 2019, 04:33:20 AM
Or maybe ones with, and without the hook were being produced on different production lines at about the same time in the late 80's, and some came from the factory with the indication

How many production lines were running concurrently in 1989?
I think you are right in your analysis,I don't think this label is posted on the dealer's back.Because the number and model on the back of the box are printed.It is consistent with the label on the side of the box.Maybe your knife is a product of different production lines.But what interests me most is the number.Did they create a new number for the hook?