swiss champ with no blade markings

scrappy · **on:** September 28, 2009, 12:06:48 AM

I have an ols champ but the blade has no markings. were the old vics not marked?
thanks

ICanFixThat · **Reply #1 on:** September 28, 2009, 12:46:27 AM

Never heard of that. Certainly no SwissChamp would have been officially made with no Tang Stamp. You have a "Fake", or a very nice collector's item that could be worth some money. Like a coin that has an unusual or missing stamp.

That would be very cool.

Benner · **Reply #2 on:** September 28, 2009, 12:53:27 AM

We need pics

Gareth · **Reply #3 on:** September 28, 2009, 12:54:15 AM

Quote from: Benner on September 28, 2009, 12:53:27 AM

We need pics

What he said.

Anthony · **Reply #4 on:** September 28, 2009, 01:01:52 AM

Quote from: scrappy on September 28, 2009, 12:06:48 AM

I have an ols champ but the blade has no markings. were the old vics not marked?
thanks

Are there any markings or writing on it anywhere?

DaveK · **Reply #5 on:** September 28, 2009, 02:32:51 AM

That sounds pretty cool.

C'mon scrappy man - out with the pics!

scrappy · **Reply #6 on:** September 28, 2009, 06:07:45 AM

the only markings are on the ruler. it also has no hook. where these made with out the hook?

Gareth · **Reply #7 on:** September 28, 2009, 09:50:44 AM

The hook came into use in 1991.

Neil · **Reply #8 on:** September 28, 2009, 02:40:17 PM

PICS needed badly

scrappy · **Reply #9 on:** September 28, 2009, 07:27:20 PM

here are some pics

scrappy · **Reply #10 on:** September 28, 2009, 07:28:53 PM

it has the vic sheild. the pen is old and rusted. I have not tried it. the implements are all nice. the magnifying glass is works great. the little screw driver says pat. on it. notice the plier handles are different than the new models.

scrappy · **Reply #11 on:** September 28, 2009, 07:30:41 PM

the blade is hard to take a good picture of but you can see the refelction on the blade and no markings. is it possible for the markings to wear off? I would think not. i ran my finger across the bottom of the blade and can not feel any marks to indicate it was stamped.

Gareth · **Reply #12 on:** September 28, 2009, 07:35:06 PM

I can't imagine how the tang stamp would be worn off on even one side, let alone both. I think you might have one that slipped through the QC net, but I'll let the real collectors chip in as well.

scrappy · **Reply #13 on:** September 28, 2009, 07:39:25 PM

Quote from: Gareth on September 28, 2009, 07:35:06 PM

I can't imagine how the tang stamp would be worn off on even one side, let alone both. I think you might have one that slipped through the QC net, but I'll let the real collectors chip in as well.

thank you for the input.

ufox9al · **Reply #14 on:** September 28, 2009, 07:56:59 PM

I looks very smudgy, must be a knockoff!

Oh, wait... it's just a slightly ot of focis pictures

I don't know if I am mistaken, but both the tang and the blade look very highly polished. Could it be that someone had fun and ploshed the tange markings off to mess around with us?
Can you accurately measure the tang thickness ans see if it's slightly thinner than normal?

stressmaster5000 · **Reply #15 on:** September 28, 2009, 07:57:46 PM

I own and have seen main blades with no rear tang stamp markings but never without any front tang stamp markings. Victorinox always says that is the true identifying mark of one of their knives. I would wonder what would happen if it were sent in for warranty work.

Nathan · **Reply #16 on:** September 28, 2009, 08:15:32 PM

I could be wrong, but from the picture it seems to me that the blade is quite small. Isn't it a normal small blade? Those small blades don't have a stamp on it. Can you measure how long that blade is?

stressmaster5000 · **Reply #17 on:** September 28, 2009, 08:24:57 PM

Quote from: Nathan on September 28, 2009, 08:15:32 PM

I could be wrong, but from the picture it seems to me that the blade is quite small. Isn't it a normal small blade? Those small blades don't have a stamp on it. Can you measure how long that blade is?

If it were the small blade then it would be on the wrong end of the knife since the pliers tip is right there and the shield is on that end. Also the nail nick is on the side for a large blade so it is the large blade.

Nathan · **Reply #18 on:** September 28, 2009, 08:29:58 PM

Quote from: stressmaster5000 on September 28, 2009, 08:24:57 PM

Quote from: Nathan on September 28, 2009, 08:15:32 PM
I could be wrong, but from the picture it seems to me that the blade is quite small. Isn't it a normal small blade? Those small blades don't have a stamp on it. Can you measure how long that blade is?
If it were the small blade then it would be on the wrong end of the knife since the pliers tip is right there and the shield is on that end. Also the nail nick is on the side for a large blade so it is the large blade.

You are right about that. The reason that I thought it was a small blade, is that on the picture the blade seems a bit small in relation to the handle.

Neil · **Reply #19 on:** September 28, 2009, 09:02:02 PM

I've got some Vics that are stamped only on the one side when from their age I think they should be stamped both. Never seen a 91mm with no tang markings.

WhichDawg · **Reply #20 on:** September 28, 2009, 09:36:58 PM

scrappy!

my eyes!

don't take the pictures so close bro, move back and use the "zoom" to get a close shot
(you may have too try a few distances but not too close)

and if you can get something to help you be still (some kind of brace) tripod is best if
you have one

and use the flash and extra lighting, not incandescent bulbs if you have something else.

more pics bro!

scrappy · **Reply #21 on:** September 28, 2009, 09:53:17 PM

I will do what I can but my camera although expensive, is crappy.

whichdog, I blame you for all the time I spend here.

Ninjaz · **Reply #22 on:** September 28, 2009, 10:00:55 PM

If you look on the pliers of the knife you see it is 2.5mm pliers - those were made between 1986-1988.

Maybe this is a prototype ? (if they were made one ?)

Nathan · **Reply #23 on:** September 28, 2009, 10:02:36 PM

You could also try making your pictures in an environment with a lot of natural light. For example taking your pictures outside, when the sun is shining.

ICanFixThat · **Reply #24 on:** September 28, 2009, 10:25:53 PM

Quote from: Nathan on September 28, 2009, 10:02:36 PM

You could also try making your pictures in an environment with a lot of natural light. For example taking your pictures outside, when the sun is shining.

I believe this is the simple solution.

...As well as mentioned above what ever setting you are using may not be able to focus so close.

scrappy · **Reply #25 on:** September 29, 2009, 01:09:38 AM

what about the key ring. I noticed it is on the same end of the knife but on the other side.

scrappy · **Reply #26 on:** September 29, 2009, 01:11:27 AM

on my new champ the key ring is next to the bottle opener but on this one it is on the same end as the bottle opener but at the bacl of the knife next to the saw and file. when was that changed?
thank you for all your help.

Gareth · **Reply #27 on:** September 29, 2009, 01:24:57 AM

That had moved over by 1991 I believe, so if it's on the spacer by the small blade it has to be pre-1991. This document will give you lost of dating facts for your Champ.

http://www.sakcollector.com/Victorinox_Evolution_of_the_Swiss_Champ.pdf

scrappy · **Reply #28 on:** September 29, 2009, 03:46:24 AM

best pics I can do. after all the complaining there better be some complimants.

scrappy · **Reply #29 on:** September 29, 2009, 03:47:04 AM

I showed my wife while I took the photos and we both think there was never a stamp.

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