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Dutch Army Knives 79349

Just Bananas Posts: 73,319
Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #570 on: May 31, 2020, 02:00:23 PM »
Nice one  :like: :tu:

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Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 6,173 aka "G-Fiddle" and "Glen-Fizzle"
Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #571 on: May 31, 2020, 02:06:44 PM »
:hatsoff:
Every year (except for this year - Covid 19) there is a National Veterans Day over here in the Netherlands. I always go here to see my old B.I.A.

Because I want to make my collection of DAKs "complete" I make an overview of (as far as I know) the knives I still miss. The knives of the Royal Netherlands Air Force are now on this list.

Where can you better be than with the old users of these knives: Air Force guys. So, during lunch I went to their "tent" and hung in strategic places the overview and spoke with various (old) Air Force men.

A few weeks ago, an Air Force officer comes to my house asking if I was still looking for the KLU knives. Of course, I look for it and then he takes a blue Victorinox alox Master Craftsman (3rd model) out of his pocket and asks if I want it. He did indicate that the tweezers were missing. I notice then laughing that the value then becomes "less". After some back and forth the deal is closed on 3 pints (Heineken). A deal we are both happy with. :cheers: :cheers:

Are you kidding me? You are sooo lucky!  :o :ahhh

Congrats on this amazing find!

[--- arms length ---] (-.-) 

                                ^-- where the cat sits
No Life Club Posts: 1,353
Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #572 on: May 31, 2020, 04:20:44 PM »
This is great, Agamemnon!  Congratulations, and I'm glad to see you sealed the deal with a great Dutch beer!  :)
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 8,202 \o/
Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #573 on: June 01, 2020, 10:47:04 PM »
Whaaaaaat!!!

That's the deal of the century :)

Congrats!

You should seriously visit vicfan.com. All the hoopy froods are doing it.
Newbie Posts: 47 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #574 on: June 14, 2020, 11:45:27 AM »
 :hatsoff:

As you know, this year I have the pocket knives of the Dutch Air Force on my list.
And this is what happens when you tap the right source: a big extension of my air force knives.

The knives come from the original owner and all have their own story.

In addition, 2 camo army knives also arrived.
My weekend can't go wrong.

Dulce et decorum est
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 8,202 \o/
Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #575 on: June 14, 2020, 01:03:57 PM »
That alox Master Craftsman :dd:

I think I saw one listed on eBay for a quazillion dollars.

You should seriously visit vicfan.com. All the hoopy froods are doing it.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #576 on: June 14, 2020, 01:18:12 PM »
That alox Master Craftsman :dd:

I think I saw one listed on eBay for a quazillion dollars.

Back in 1978 I served a few month on RNLAF base Gilze-Rijen, the place where the survival training section of Dutch pilots still is based. One day I carried a full box with DOZENS of these knives to a storage building! I should have run away with it, hide a few decades, and by now I could have been a millionaire.
 :facepalm:

BTW: Beautiful collection of RNLAF knives and multi-tools!
Newbie Posts: 47 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #577 on: June 14, 2020, 01:33:26 PM »
 :oops: quite expensive, if I may say so

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Newbie Posts: 47 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #578 on: June 14, 2020, 05:20:28 PM »
Back in 1978 I served a few month on RNLAF base Gilze-Rijen, the place where the survival training section of Dutch pilots still is based. One day I carried a full box with DOZENS of these knives to a storage building! I should have run away with it, hide a few decades, and by now I could have been a millionaire.
 :facepalm:

BTW: Beautiful collection of RNLAF knives and multi-tools!

And the story continues:
After you delivered these knives, they were all destroyed (by driving over them with a roller and then "buried" under a layer of cement).
So they are now an integral part of the base Gilze-Rijen (according to an eyewitness).  :ahhh :ahhh

Dulce et decorum est
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 8,202 \o/
Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #579 on: June 14, 2020, 08:09:00 PM »







You should seriously visit vicfan.com. All the hoopy froods are doing it.
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 8,202 \o/
Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #580 on: June 14, 2020, 08:09:43 PM »
Also: why?

You should seriously visit vicfan.com. All the hoopy froods are doing it.
Newbie Posts: 47 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #581 on: June 15, 2020, 11:08:45 AM »
Also: why?

 :dunno:
I think it is their nature

And shortly after these knives were destroyed, there was a shortage of these knives.  :oops: An order was placed at Victorinox for knives with the more scratch-resistant blue “Cellidor” plates.

Another example:
The successor to the storm dagger.
Imported in the 1960s for the Marine Corps and made in America.
This dagger is the unique successor of the famous Dutch Hembrug M1917 storm dagger (1917 - 1942). It was a Dutch sidearm from 1960 till about 1995.

It is a conversion based on the American M4 carbine bayonet, with American handle made of composite leather rings, modified aluminum hilt knob and slim Dutch guard; in addition, an American or German plastic sheath model US M8A1, with webbing carrier and mostly metal tip reinforcement of NAVIMETAAL.

It was provided as a personal sidearm (storm dagger / fighting knife) for the non-rifle bearers (men and officers) who did not have a bayonet in the equipment.
Has been used by the Royal Netherlands Navy resp. the Marine Corps, and outside the Netherlands, including New Guinea (1961 - 1962).

Conversion, assembly and finishing were done at the "Small Arms" department of the Marine Bewapeningswerkplaats (Marine Armament Workshop) in Den Helder.
There was only a limited edition (approx. 5,000 pieces), after putting out of commission it was destroyed around 1997 at SEWACO (was Bewapeningswerkplaats) in Den Helder. :woohoo:

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #582 on: July 04, 2020, 11:41:11 AM »
The Dutch Army ('Koninklijke Landmacht') also had these SwissCards, probably as gifts.
This one was being offered for sale on the internet, but at the time I showed interest it was already sold.
Sorry for the bad quality of the picture. I 'stole' it from the advertisement.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #583 on: July 04, 2020, 11:55:17 AM »
Personalized DAK 'KL 1993' model.
This knife belonged to a colonel of the Dutch Army. The front has the service number of the colonel engraved (and painted black), the back has his name (I subdued his full name).
Supposedly this was a representation gift.
The blade stamp is a very early type.
Newbie Posts: 47 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #584 on: August 01, 2020, 12:09:36 PM »
 :hatsoff:
And now something completely different: the (not really a) Dutch Army Knife

During and in the first years after World War II, there was a shortage of everything in the Netherlands, including the equipment of the Dutch soldier.
For that reason, the "War Department" (Ministerie van Oorlog) authorized the use of equipment from the Canadian military e.g. Model X-611, Canadian Utility Knife (the Canadian called this knife: C5) and the P 6365/1905; and the British Jack knife / Clasp knife.

In these years there were also problems in the Dutch East Indies and Dutch soldiers were sent to the Indies to put things in order. The soldiers who went there were equipped with British and Canadian pocket knives.
I got some of these knives (see pictures) from these veterans (along with their stories).

In addition, there was also the Korean War (1950-1954).
On June 25, 1950, Korean Time (June 24, American Time), North Korean troops invaded South Korea. The United Nations Security Council passed a resolution on June 26, which marked this invasion as a peace-break and called for immediate cessation of hostilities. In a resolution of 27 June, the Council called on members of the United Nations to assist the Republic of Korea to countering the attack by North Korean forces and contributing to the recovery of order and safety in the area concerned.
Dutch United Nations Detachment in Korea. (NDVN)
The Netherlands United Nations Detachment in Korea (Van Heutsz Battalion) was established in 1950 as part of the United Nations Armed Forces. The NDVN was assigned to the American infantry. (38th Reg. 2nd 'Indianhead' Inf. Div. - 8th Army).
The Dutch soldiers were equipped with an English clasp knife, nicknamed the 'Churchill' (see pictures). I got this knife and his story from a ‘Korea-ganger’ (a soldier who went to Korea).

And now the connection to the "real" Dutch Army Knives. The army switched to the well-known Amefa pocket knives, while the navy remained "loyal" to the navy knife, especially because this knife was equipped with a "marlin spike"; tools that were standard on board of (sailing) ships.

From about 1965 the Royal Navy used the knife from the firm Adler. I got this knife from a former Marine and used this knife in the period 1993-2000.
This knife is my latest acquisition.

Dulce et decorum est
Newbie Posts: 47 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #585 on: August 01, 2020, 12:11:37 PM »
And my latest DAK: the Adler

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Just Bananas Posts: 73,319
Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #586 on: August 01, 2020, 02:36:55 PM »
Nice knives and excellent information  :like: :tu:

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
« Reply #587 on: August 01, 2020, 05:58:24 PM »
 :like:

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