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One of the great debates of all times

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Do you consider a SAK to be a multitool?

Yes, a SAK is a type of Multitool
12 (66.7%)
No, a SAK is not a Multitool.
6 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 18

Voting closed: October 12, 2006, 01:24:25 AM

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us Offline Kampfer

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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #60 on: October 27, 2016, 07:55:55 PM
Pilers base MT are multitools while Swiss Army knives are SAK.
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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #61 on: October 27, 2016, 11:19:16 PM
Quote from: 50ft-trad on October 25, 2016, 08:40:58 PM
A multitool is a multifunctional tool, or tool with multiple functions.

Not all tools are pliers. Not all tools have pliers, multifunctional or otherwise.

An Atwood pry thingummy job is a multitool if it has other features such as wrench or caplifter. Many people call them OPTs, or one piece multitools. They do not have pliers.

A crate opener, one of the combined hammer, axe and prybar efforts, is a multitool. A Stanley FUBAR with all it's bashing, twisting, prying capabilities, is a multitool. They do not have pliers.

Swiss Army Knives for the most part are not actually Swiss Army Knives. Very few were issued to the Swiss Army. They just happen to be made by the same companies that did make stuff for the Swiss Army. They are however, for the most part, multitools. This is because most of them have more tools and features than just being a knife. Some of them have pliers, but that doesn't make a toss of difference.

It is more factually incorrect to call a Victorinox or Wenger multipurpose knife a Swiss Army Knife than it is to call it a multitool - unless it is a model which at some point in history was issued to the Swiss Army - in which case it is both. The Solo models are neither multitool nor Swiss Army Knife, they are just Swiss Knives.

That's it 50'  :salute: Perfectly explained  :tu:

And I really liked this sentence - Absolutely true - And made me smile!!

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It is more factually incorrect to call a Victorinox or Wenger multipurpose knife a Swiss Army Knife than it is to call it a multitool

Loved the Venn Diagram too - But where does the group 'knives' go?? Might have a play with that later

EDIT: Did anyone else notice this? ??? Above it says 17 members voted - Yet there are 18 votes in the total tallies  :think:
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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #62 on: October 27, 2016, 11:43:02 PM
:doggy: :doggy: :doggy:
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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #63 on: October 27, 2016, 11:48:20 PM
Quote from: powernoodle on October 27, 2016, 11:43:02 PM
Quote from: pfrsantos on October 25, 2016, 01:21:05 PM
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If you would, identify this please.   :pok:

I'm pretty sure that's a Sanrenmu LB-763. I considered buying one some time ago to try out, but never did.
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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #64 on: October 28, 2016, 12:42:37 AM
Thanks.  That looks right.  Appears to be discontinued, but still available here and there.
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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #65 on: October 28, 2016, 11:24:32 AM
Quote from: Huntsman on October 27, 2016, 11:19:16 PM


EDIT: Did anyone else notice this? ??? Above it says 17 members voted - Yet there are 18 votes in the total tallies  :think:

The poll was closed in 2006. Just an idea, but maybe a member left the forum? Could that be the cause?
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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #66 on: October 28, 2016, 11:44:40 AM
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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #67 on: October 28, 2016, 11:51:39 AM
:ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhhWhat are we gonna doooo?
Do you want to build a...
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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #68 on: October 30, 2016, 09:39:42 PM
I would never call a SAK a multitool, thats like calling a Jeep a car.

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Re: One of the great debates of all times
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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #70 on: June 12, 2020, 09:39:00 PM
I know this thread is old, but I thought I could contribute with my 2 cents..

A SAK is, as the name says, a tool made by one of the two Swiss brands (Victorinox or Wenger) AND a tool where the knife is the main tool.

A multitool is any tool from any brand and any country (including the Swiss ones) where the main tool is not a knife (usually it is a pair of pliers or scissors or even a hammer).

Then, there are folding knives with multiple tools from brands other than the Swiss ones. These I would simply call folding knives with multiple tools.

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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #71 on: June 13, 2020, 02:19:56 AM
A knife with multiple tools would also be a multi tool :whistle: :D
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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #72 on: June 13, 2020, 02:35:01 AM
Now that is an interesting variation on this debate...

Is your classic three-bladed stockman type of knife a multitool or just a knife!!

Yes it's multi - But it's only knife    :pok:   :rofl:

I would be tempted to say knife - Same would apply to the dual blade only SAKs eg the 74mm Secretary etc
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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #73 on: June 13, 2020, 04:15:07 AM
Quote from: Huntsman on June 13, 2020, 02:35:01 AM
Now that is an interesting variation on this debate...

Is your classic three-bladed stockman type of knife a multitool or just a knife!!

Yes it's multi - But it's only knife    :pok:   :rofl:

I would be tempted to say knife - Same would apply to the dual blade only SAKs eg the 74mm Secretary etc

hmmm  I would sat a hard no on a Stockman  or a Vx Secretary being a multitool.  Because, theres no other tools besides blades.  Those are unitools which happen to be multiblades.   :whistle:

As I said in the Comprehensive Knife based Multitool thread...  Multitools can be based off of pliers, or a knife, or even a hammer.   I would argue that the base has to do with the handle - whether its a knife handle like a Vx Trekker, or a pliers handle like a Gerber MP600,  But the sine qua non (that  without which it is not) is a variety of tools. 
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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #74 on: June 13, 2020, 04:17:13 AM
To me, the SAK is knife based, and thus a pocketknife with multiple features.It started as the Swiss Soldier's Knife, and then features just kept on being added, until we had things like the XAVT in which no one in their right mind would want to stick it in a pocket!

Vs. Leatherman, Gerber, SOG, et. al are pliers with other tools (drivers, file, knife blades) added. They are a "multipurpose tool".
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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #75 on: June 13, 2020, 04:58:21 AM
A SAK  is by definition a MT (all but the ones with one blade only of course  :P ) I don’t understand the confusion  :dunno:
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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #76 on: June 13, 2020, 11:38:11 AM
Quote from: SirVicaLot on June 13, 2020, 04:58:21 AM
A SAK  is by definition a MT (all but the ones with one blade only of course  :P ) I don’t understand the confusion  :dunno:
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Reply #77 on: June 13, 2020, 12:10:11 PM
I have also seen the term multiknife being used in some UN pages a while back - I assume it was for what we would call a knife based multitool, like most SAKs
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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #78 on: June 13, 2020, 12:28:14 PM
Quote from: SirVicaLot on June 13, 2020, 04:58:21 AM
A SAK  is by definition a MT (all but the ones with one blade only of course  :P ) I don’t understand the confusion  :dunno:
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Vic has made SAKs without a knife! :o
Hooked, like everyone else. ;)

All hail the hook!
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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #79 on: June 13, 2020, 04:47:18 PM
Quote from: Don Pablo on June 13, 2020, 12:28:14 PM
also :iagree:
Vic has made SAKs without a knife! :o

A SAT :think:

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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #80 on: June 13, 2020, 11:16:10 PM
Quote from: Don Pablo on June 13, 2020, 12:28:14 PM
Vic has made SAKs without a knife! :o
What if one had no knife, wasn't Swiss and wasn't made for an army?  :think:

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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #81 on: June 13, 2020, 11:24:51 PM
Quote from: Syncop8r on June 13, 2020, 11:16:10 PM
What if one had no knife, wasn't Swiss and wasn't made for an army?  :think:
It would be a       .  :)
Hooked, like everyone else. ;)

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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #82 on: June 13, 2020, 11:31:21 PM
Quote from: Syncop8r on June 13, 2020, 11:16:10 PM
What if one had no knife, wasn't Swiss and wasn't made for an army?  :think:

A beer and beans multitool?
Nothing wrong with that
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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #83 on: June 14, 2020, 03:29:26 AM
Quote from: Don Pablo on June 13, 2020, 12:28:14 PM
also :iagree:
Vic has made SAKs without a knife! :o

I call that finding a market due to TSA laws, certain tourist locaitons, and an ever-increasing number of workplaces barring knives due to people who do stupid stuff with boxcutters. It is still an SAK in my opinion, as it has tools that most of the other share.
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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #84 on: June 14, 2020, 04:24:10 AM
A SAK is the mother of all multitiools!
Enough said!
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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #85 on: June 14, 2020, 05:47:34 AM
 :rofl:
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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #86 on: June 14, 2020, 10:24:21 AM
I think it is too
And even if it isn't, I always bring two
(One of each :D, the :MTO: way)
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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #87 on: June 14, 2020, 11:05:12 AM
Quote from: tango44 on June 14, 2020, 04:24:10 AM
A SAK is the mother of all multitiools!
Enough said!
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:like: can't disagree!

Quote from: cody6268 on June 14, 2020, 03:29:26 AM
I call that finding a market due to TSA laws, certain tourist locaitons, and an ever-increasing number of workplaces barring knives due to people who do stupid stuff with boxcutters. It is still an SAK in my opinion, as it has tools that most of the other share.
Also agreed!
To take it to the extreme, imagine an XAVT with no blades....

It would still be thicker than a swisschamp, and I dare anyone to call it not-a-SAK  :D
Hooked, like everyone else. ;)

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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #88 on: June 14, 2020, 01:38:23 PM
So it should be called a SAMT   
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Re: One of the great debates of all times
Reply #89 on: June 14, 2020, 10:54:23 PM
Following your logic a Leatherman should be called Leathermultitool and only be used on Leather items...  ::)
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