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Three Vics with unusual files 2734

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Three Vics with unusual files
« on: July 30, 2010, 04:45:47 AM »
Hasn't been too much vintage Vic pr0n lately other than Neil's unfortunate thread where everything is being sold off, so I thought I'd post a couple from my collection. These are three knives I've gotten recently that are unusual themselves, but have a very interesting assortment of files that you don't see very often, even on "rare" and "vintage" Vics.

First, this is a... well... not sure what to call it officially. I call it a "Grand Prix Small" since it's an 84mm version of a regular 91mm Grand Prix. The only thing close I've ever seen is from a 1958/1960 Vic catalog, long before they started naming these. So technically, I guess it's a 135 kmaU.



This knife is interesting for several reasons - scissors, green 84mm cellidor scales, but mainly because of the very hard to find 84mm metal file. I figure this knife was made sometime in the 84/85 time frame, which makes it a lot newer that the typical 84mm metal file knives which are almost always from the 1950s/1960s era.

One interesting feature of the 84mm metal file is that there is no nail nick - you open it from the tip like you do a modern 91mm wood saw. 91mm metal files have always had a proper nail nick, though. At least, so I thought until I picked up this:



This is a vintage era Champion (long file version) from the 1958-1963 period. Now, the interesting thing about this knife (other than being a nice 50 yr old Champion) is the metal file. This is the ONLY 91mm metal file I have or have ever seen that does not have a nail nick in it. Compare to the standard type file from a similar vintage Master Craftsman:



Note that the profile of the end of the file is different (shaped more like the 84mm version). I thought perhaps this was simply an older feature, but I have and have seen several knives that are older that have the typical vintage style file like the one on the right above. My guess is that this was a test that Vic was doing at the time to see what was the best way to configure the tool for ease of opening. Back in the 1950s, both the saw and file had nail nicks and sat higher in the frame of the knife. For a knife with both tools right next to each other like the Master Craftsman, the file can be difficult to get to as it is obscured by the saw. By making one (or both) of these lower and openable from the tip, you don't have to worry about this anymore. It was around this same time Vic started making the saw without the nail nick.

Last but not least is one of the most unusual knives I've found - a vintage 75mm horn scaled Accountant with scissors. The only other one of these I've ever seen is a similar one in stainless steel Chako posted pics of. Just like his, this one has the double width long file on the back, which does make that tool infinitely more usable than the more common single width file.





Cheers
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 6,347
Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2010, 05:01:15 AM »
Very interesting... and beautiful... knives you have, Jazzy; I wasn't even aware of an 84mm file.  It still is annoying that the current 84mm line is so pathetic. :(  Long live beautiful pictures and SAKs; wonderful Accountant you have. :drool:
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Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2010, 12:41:07 PM »
Nice,like the "Grand Prix Small" the green cellidor looks  :drool:

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Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2010, 07:30:40 PM »
Nice,like the "Grand Prix Small" the green cellidor looks  :drool:
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Wielder of the Bow of Banishment. Admin Team Point Of No Return Posts: 31,592 El Presidente del Fan Club Micky D
Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2010, 08:41:50 PM »
Three excellent SAKs mate. :drool:  The 84mm stands out to me though, love the size and love the colour. :cheers:

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Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2016, 01:40:38 AM »
Got directed here from the recent SAKWIKI thread.

And I gotta say - JB's posts are just the best - How does he manage to find all these amazing old SAKs ???
And if you are reading this JB - Thanks and we miss you - Have not seen you much since your photos got sabotaged  :(

As usual with a JB thread * I have learnt some new stuff.
(* And thanks to Jayaman's post in the WIKI thread - What a lovely old Grand Prix Small that is BTW - Thanks for the post )

Firstly just how many 84mm versions of the 91mm knives were around 40+ years ago
And secondly I never knew that the file went through a no nail nick stage - Fascinating 

Also like many of us here - I love the 84mm frame size and think its demise was a shame. Although rock on Wenger on that score  :tu:

One other thing I have noticed:
- When the scissors switched from single to double leafed spring in 1975 - The 91mm scissors themselves were redesigned - See photo below or SAAMS here:
http://victorinox.metodi.me/91mmtools.php
The edges got more curved and rounded and there was a little gap between the pivot area and the handle - previously the handles butted up to the pivot area.
This scissor re-design did not happen on the 84mm scissors - And I am pretty sure they kept the old style design until their demise, but did get the double leafed spring.
In other words you will see scissors in the style of the scissors on the right of the picture with a double spring on the 84mm frame - But never on the 91mm frame
Is this true Vic experts??

One other amazing (to a tool version saddo enthusiast like me) thing I noticed for the first time when taking this picture.....
There has been a lot of talk (and disapproval/approval) of moving the nail nick on the new 93mm scissors from the inside of the scissors to the outside
Well look at the knife on the right - It's not a new thing. :o  :pok:

PS. The two knives in this picture are from the early 50s and early 80s   
« Last Edit: August 24, 2016, 03:43:11 AM by Huntsman »
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Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2016, 02:18:53 AM »
I'm not seeing any of JB pics! 

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Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2016, 02:24:02 AM »
IS IT JUST ME/MY COMPUTER??? I can NOT see JB 's pictures just a lil box...  :'(



<edit>
Wait , SAK is havin same problem  :D



***CLICK on my pics to see actual sized photo :)
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Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2016, 02:27:50 AM »
I don't even have the little box..... :facepalm:

- Robert




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Quo Fata Ferunt
"It's sad that governments are chiefed by the double tongues." - Ten Bears
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No Life Club Posts: 2,875
Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2016, 02:55:00 AM »
 :D Well thats a good THANG , SAK  :D Cus when I click on it all I get is this:
404 - page not found

***CLICK on my pics to see actual sized photo :)
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Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2016, 03:01:40 AM »
Folks

JB's photo account was hacked a few months ago and all his photos are gone. He made a post on the forum about it.
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,58093.msg1243551.html#msg1243551

Not a nice experience for JB, and of course very sad for us lot as his SAK pics and stories/information were the best in the forum.
At least we still have the text - But of course not quite so easy to understand w/o the pics

I am not sure if he plans to restore them - and we have not heard much from him since that time. 

H
« Last Edit: August 24, 2016, 03:13:54 AM by Huntsman »
No Life Club Posts: 2,875
Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2016, 03:34:27 AM »
Thanks for update/info , Huntsman!  :cheers: :tu:

Man that stinks!!! That is the reason I do not use a PICTURE HOST/UPLOAD SITE( example: Photobucket etc).....I upload straight from a file on my computer only!, Once posted , they are there, stuck in INTER-WEB time. :D ( atleast i think that's how it works?? lolololol )  :facepalm:

***CLICK on my pics to see actual sized photo :)
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Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2019, 05:44:06 PM »
Necro bump!

but it's for the better since I have a knife described by JB in his OP. :D

The green "Grand Prix Small" as made for British Petroleum.
I've seen the exact same knife with completely blank scales. Which is too much of a coincidence for not having anything to do with each other.



i also created the wiki page about this model for future refferences and info adding.

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Hero Member Posts: 626
Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2019, 07:53:22 PM »
I like old posts too ;)
Let's add this picture by Jazzbass I've saved fortunately:

I thought it was made only for BP but recently another one was shown in FB SAK collector group (hope scales are original):
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 8,075 \o/
Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2019, 07:56:44 PM »
Bever Zwerfsport! Nice find.

You should seriously visit vicfan.com. All the hoopy froods are doing it.
Zombie Apprentice Posts: 13,891
Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2019, 08:00:07 PM »
Howly smurf!!

That's just too awesome...

Back to the page editor :facepalm:

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Zombie Apprentice Posts: 13,891
Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2019, 08:06:38 PM »
Can we just add pictures like that to SAKwiki or would we have to try and find the author?

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Global Moderator Point Of No Return Posts: 36,499
Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2019, 08:18:24 PM »
Can we just add pictures like that to SAKwiki or would we have to try and find the author?

Find the person and get their permission.
Zombie Apprentice Posts: 13,891
Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2019, 08:19:08 PM »
That's what seemed to make sense. Thanks zoid!

Off to hunt ...

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Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2019, 11:24:35 PM »
jnoxyd and jazzbass are very active members of the forum and have also provided photos for the Wiki in the past
JB is even an editor - Although not active now!

Can you just recheck with  them  about using their photos.

I would ask for a blanket permission - eg Like we have from Chako - ie Any photos he posts in MT.o he says are OK to be moved to the Wiki!
Zombie Apprentice Posts: 13,891
Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2019, 12:14:09 PM »
The pictures came from an external source on Facebook.

jnoxyd showed me the name and I managed to contact him.

He gave me a go to use the pics he has send me, so they'll be popping up on the Wiki soon enough :D

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Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2019, 12:45:34 PM »
Nice one - Thanks
Wielder of the Bow of Banishment. Admin Team Point Of No Return Posts: 31,592 El Presidente del Fan Club Micky D
Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2019, 05:22:13 PM »
Necro bump!

but it's for the better since I have a knife described by JB in his OP. :D

The green "Grand Prix Small" as made for British Petroleum.
I've seen the exact same knife with completely blank scales. Which is too much of a coincidence for not having anything to do with each other.

(Image removed from quote.)

i also created the wiki page about this model for future refferences and info adding.

Well, that there just might be my dream SAK.  :drool:  My favourite colour, my preferred size and a tool selection that I love.  If you ever decide you don't like it any more do keep me in mind.  :D

Try not to be the person who blunders around and causes everyone else to get out the way.  Everyone else thinks you're a utter...
Zombie Apprentice Posts: 13,891
Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2019, 05:32:34 PM »
Well, that there just might be my dream SAK.  :drool:  My favourite colour, my preferred size and a tool selection that I love.  If you ever decide you don't like it any more do keep me in mind.  :D
Noted!!

Don't keep your hopes up though :D

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Wielder of the Bow of Banishment. Admin Team Point Of No Return Posts: 31,592 El Presidente del Fan Club Micky D
Re: Three Vics with unusual files
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2019, 12:08:15 PM »
Noted!!

Don't keep your hopes up though :D

 :D :D

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