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help plz: MUT or Surge BO?

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help plz: MUT or Surge BO?
on: September 14, 2010, 10:58:00 PM
hello folks,

i'm looking for a multitool for my chest rig/plate carrier setup.
i've taken a closer look at the Leatherman Surge BO and the MUT (when it's available of course).
wheight is not my concern, but durability and ruggedness is!

now which one would you rather get, based on your experience? (buy both is not a valid answer, i don't want to carry both on my vest)

someone wrote the Surge rattles, is this still present in the new (2010) versions?
on amazon.com i've seen Surge BO versions with cap crimpers, but i haven't seen them on the official LT site?
on the MUT-thread i read something about a "super-surge", do you know something of an update for the Surge?

thank you for your help, please forgive my noobness!


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Re: help plz: MUT or Surge BO?
Reply #1 on: September 15, 2010, 01:12:34 AM
I guess that it depends on if want want a utility tool or something more designed for the M-16.  My Camo BO Surge is rugged and doesn't rattle. 


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Re: help plz: MUT or Surge BO?
Reply #2 on: September 15, 2010, 02:11:25 AM
You are obviously either LE , or Military , or else have some serious social problems . I think I would go with the MUT . The Surge is a fine big multi , no kick against it , just not worth the weight penalty .

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Re: help plz: MUT or Surge BO?
Reply #3 on: September 15, 2010, 03:31:41 AM
Think the only ones that have had experiences with the MUT are reviewers and those few in the Great Sand Box. It's really hard to foretell the future to say about MUT experiences.

My BO Surge doesn't rattle. It's quite snug in it's case, and in use it's just fine. Now if you take it out and put in on the hood (or truck bed) and go driving down the road it might rattle. :twak:

Think when you hear rattle it's the way the handles can slap one another because of it's weight. That only happens when closing the tool up to put in a case or something. If you're worried about that small issue, then don't get a Velcro case. The enemy will hear the Velcro rip long before the slap of the handles.
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Re: help plz: MUT or Surge BO?
Reply #4 on: September 15, 2010, 03:37:21 AM
I wish I could advise you but I haven't handled a MUT.  I can tell you the Surge is an awesome multitool and I'm very happy with mine.  Do you intend to service an AR15 with said multitool?
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Re: help plz: MUT or Surge BO?
Reply #5 on: September 15, 2010, 08:52:07 AM
well the rattle-issue was only in the review on multitool.org, posted about 4 years ago. that was probably resolved in newer versions.

the option of cleaning my rifles is just a nice extra, not necessarily a must. but if that means a big cutback on other features i'd have to rethink it.
f.e. the MUT doesn't accept the bit kit, does it? that's a minus imo.


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Re: help plz: MUT or Surge BO?
Reply #6 on: September 15, 2010, 10:09:24 AM
As for the bit kit, the MUT has it's own longer bits which are not compatible, and who knows if they intend to release a bit kit for the MUT (I should think so if it's popular enough).  I really like the standard bit kit however and it can be purchased at $15 directly from Leatherman.
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Re: help plz: MUT or Surge BO?
Reply #7 on: September 15, 2010, 10:16:35 AM
As for the bit kit, the MUT has it's own longer bits which are not compatible, and who knows if they intend to release a bit kit for the MUT (I should think so if it's popular enough).  I really like the standard bit kit however and it can be purchased at $15 directly from Leatherman.

Are the MUT bits compatible with the standard Large Bit Driver?
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Re: help plz: MUT or Surge BO?
Reply #8 on: September 15, 2010, 04:05:05 PM
The MUT's bit holder will use standard Leatherman bits.  It includes one of the shorties that's carried in the bit holder by default (I think it's the same Phillips/flathead as the Wave).  The two longer bits that ride on board simply fit into the bit holder, and stick out three inches.  Otherwise the extra length would be totally wasted.

I'm fairly sure the longer bits will fit in standard LM bit drivers as well.  They're notched for the retainer in the same place as the normal short bits...there's just two sets of notches now, with a couple of inches of steel between them :)

If you check Leatherman's page on the MUT, they have the standard bit kit listed as a MUT accessory. 
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Re: help plz: MUT or Surge BO?
Reply #9 on: September 15, 2010, 04:23:27 PM
That's good to know.  If it takes LM bits then it's even more of a plus to possibly get one.. hmmmmm  :think:
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Re: help plz: MUT or Surge BO?
Reply #10 on: September 15, 2010, 04:42:25 PM
i contacted leatherman about a month ago, and they told me that the standard bit-kit won't work with the MUT, as it only has a large bit driver?

maybe the people here who got a sample for review can confirm that?

and another thing i thought about: is the BO finish somewhat more (or less) corrosion and rust resistant than the standard one?


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Re: help plz: MUT or Surge BO?
Reply #11 on: September 15, 2010, 08:28:27 PM
If you check Leatherman's page on the MUT, they have the standard bit kit listed as a MUT accessory. 

So that's where Leatherman hid it. Was looking for the bits in the Accessories area.
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Re: help plz: MUT or Surge BO?
Reply #12 on: September 15, 2010, 11:01:10 PM
Now I'm cornfused.... somebody let me know when we get to the bottom of this  ???
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Re: help plz: MUT or Surge BO?
Reply #13 on: September 15, 2010, 11:25:40 PM
Now I'm cornfused.... somebody let me know when we get to the bottom of this  ???


The bottom of what, which bits will fit which tools? Was curious if the longer MUT bits would fit the rest of the large bit driver equipped tools. Went to all the links last night, could not find any long MUT bits.


You was at the bottom, till I replied.  :rofl:
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Re: help plz: MUT or Surge BO?
Reply #14 on: September 16, 2010, 12:51:54 AM
Yeah...both questions need answered.  Personally, I think all of the bit kit bits will most likely fit the MUT *except* for the spare tiny phillips/flathead that's used in the small bit drivers on the Wave, Charge, and Blast.
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Re: help plz: MUT or Surge BO?
Reply #15 on: September 16, 2010, 09:55:12 PM
Amici,
As a former 13B and also an avid shooter and owner of an AR-15, here's my two..

As I reflect back to the days of PMCS it comes to me that I never really used anything besides the old PST doing at that time to do any serious maintenance to my weapon since the ease of disassembly is just that, easy..

I haven't handled the MUT yet nor have I heard from any of my trooper pals that are still in and using one, although the bolt clearer function does look like a keeper on the MUT.

Personally I'd stick with the SURGE or possibly look at the 300 also... The issue with the rattle with the new Surge models seems to be with the blade exchanger..

Mine is new (born this year) and arrived nice and tight but soon after started to rattle  after I engaged in some serious use. It seemed that the exchanger loosened up resulting in the saw or file blade to literally pop out of the exchanger as I attempted to open or close that specific tool.

Jim Guy here at the forum advised me on what action to take to fix it, and after I crimped the exchanger a bit no more rattle..

 Now I have a super-sized Wave, minus the calories after each use! 

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Re: help plz: MUT or Surge BO?
Reply #16 on: September 19, 2010, 09:19:54 AM
any idea why the MUT doesn't feature a 154CM blade?
would be nice to have i think...


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Re: help plz: MUT or Surge BO?
Reply #17 on: September 19, 2010, 02:59:51 PM
I hear so much different information about this "MUT"... I thought it had a 154cm or greater blade?   ???
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Re: help plz: MUT or Surge BO?
Reply #18 on: September 19, 2010, 04:06:29 PM
well according to the LT homepage it's the standard 420HC  ::)


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Re: help plz: MUT or Surge BO?
Reply #19 on: September 19, 2010, 05:35:06 PM
I think for the price they should give you a better blade steel.  Just my opinion but that ticks me off a bit.
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Re: help plz: MUT or Surge BO?
Reply #20 on: September 19, 2010, 08:20:22 PM
same here...
even 440C would've been better. but 420C is rather disappointing i think. maybe it changes in future versions... if LT sells enough of them.


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Re: help plz: MUT or Surge BO?
Reply #21 on: September 19, 2010, 10:29:04 PM
Surge was released at the same price the MUT is, same blade steel too.

On the other hand, with technological advances one would expect the newer tools to follow the newer technology & materials too. New tools shouldn't have yesterday's materials & technology. And quite frankly considering the abuse an in-field tool would have the better steel it should of been given.
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Re: help plz: MUT or Surge BO?
Reply #22 on: September 19, 2010, 11:06:45 PM
It's for easier sharpening in the field.  Could you imagine sharpening 154CM on a rock?
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