Watches

[Benner]

Does anyone here know anything about mechanical wind up watches?  Specifically Luftwaffe and Pobeda ones?

[Leatherman123]

I have a Panerai and I love it! I don't like how you have to wind it though

[Benner]

I am looking for xmas presents for myself  and have been looking at Luftwaffe watches as I have wanted one for a long time.

The ones I have found are smaller copies, which is great as they are much smaller than the huge originals.  They are made by Pobeda.  Anyone heard of them?  Any good?

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

I am looking for xmas presents for myself  and have been looking at Luftwaffe watches as I have wanted one for a long time.

The ones I have found are smaller copies, which is great as they are much smaller than the huge originals.  They are made by Pobeda.  Anyone heard of them?  Any good?

Isn't pobeda russian for victory

I've got to say I've always been mightly impressed with russkie watches, I've had one apart and if they were made in the west they'd be at least 4-5 dearer, such is the quality of them

[Benner]

I am looking for xmas presents for myself  and have been looking at Luftwaffe watches as I have wanted one for a long time.

The ones I have found are smaller copies, which is great as they are much smaller than the huge originals.  They are made by Pobeda.  Anyone heard of them?  Any good?

Isn't pobeda russian for victory

I've got to say I've always been mightly impressed with russkie watches, I've had one apart and if they were made in the west they'd be at least 4-5 dearer, such is the quality of them

Well it looks good enough.  It's a mechanical wind up one as well which has always interested me.  And it's your typical Luftwaffe face which I always thought was cool.

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Got a link mate

[Benner]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280155488215&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=018

I also liked this one, but the hands don't look original
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290174351721&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=019

What do ya think on the 1st one?  Worth £36?

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

the first one looks quite nice, but it looks like it's seen better days and I can't belive it's that cheap for something so rare (luftwaffe had a high mortality rate, as pilot's never got rotated, so just burnt out and died, and took there watches with them).

The second ones russian, as it's got cirillic writing on the mechinism, but it's not a lot for a good watch, but you can get a new one for less dosh

[Benner]

Well apparently the first one is in "very good" condition  .

It's rare in the fact that I haven't found another one on ebay but thats about it.  Not too fussed on it's rarity.  I have just always liked that design but have been put off of buying a genuine one as they are so big and my arms are quite thin.

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Well apparently the first one is in "very good" condition  .

It's rare in the fact that I haven't found another one on ebay but thats about it.  Not too fussed on it's rarity.  I have just always liked that design but have been put off of buying a genuine one as they are so big and my arms are quite thin.

How about this design?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BIG-Geneva-70mm-Watch-U-boat-model-WW2-tw-military_W0QQitemZ200166380659QQihZ010QQcategoryZ31387QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I've always prefered the ww1 type personelly, but they are a unique design

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

This fellas seams to have a lot of very nice watches for not a lot of dosh...

http://cgi.ebay.com/GERMAN-CROSS-MESSERSCHMITT-FIGHTER-JET-24-HOURS-WATCH_W0QQitemZ230186408605QQihZ013QQcategoryZ31387QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Benner]

Well apparently the first one is in "very good" condition  .

It's rare in the fact that I haven't found another one on ebay but thats about it.  Not too fussed on it's rarity.  I have just always liked that design but have been put off of buying a genuine one as they are so big and my arms are quite thin.

How about this design?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BIG-Geneva-70mm-Watch-U-boat-model-WW2-tw-military_W0QQitemZ200166380659QQihZ010QQcategoryZ31387QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I've always prefered the ww1 type personelly, but they are a unique design

That's nice.  Bit big though.  It's more like a clock!!!

There are also these that I am tempted by;
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120167771471&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=002

But the 1st one I showed you is about as close as you can get to the original
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/B703-Russia-Air-Craft-watch-AVIATOR-LACO-Luftwaffe-WWII_W0QQitemZ130155800390QQihZ003QQcategoryZ31387QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

[Benner]

This fellas seams to have a lot of very nice watches for not a lot of dosh...

http://cgi.ebay.com/GERMAN-CROSS-MESSERSCHMITT-FIGHTER-JET-24-HOURS-WATCH_W0QQitemZ230186408605QQihZ013QQcategoryZ31387QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Yeah I saw that.  Quite interesting but doesn't grab me like the others.

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Ohh I like that last one!

Do you fix watches at all?

Oh and heres the watches I buy most often, cheap and cheerful like me ...

http://www.soviesmurfches.co.uk/cat--Vostok-Watches--Vostok.html

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

This fellas seams to have a lot of very nice watches for not a lot of dosh...

http://cgi.ebay.com/GERMAN-CROSS-MESSERSCHMITT-FIGHTER-JET-24-HOURS-WATCH_W0QQitemZ230186408605QQihZ013QQcategoryZ31387QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Yeah I saw that.  Quite interesting but doesn't grab me like the others.

Well you can adopt me and buy me this one for xmas .
http://cgi.ebay.com/ARCTIC-POLAR-WHITE-BEAR-USSR-PILOT-24-HOURS-WRISsmurfCH_W0QQitemZ230185451834QQihZ013QQcategoryZ31387QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

[Benner]

Ohh I like that last one!

Do you fix watches at all?

Oh and heres the watches I buy most often, cheap and cheerful like me ...

http://www.soviesmurfches.co.uk/cat--Vostok-Watches--Vostok.html

Yeah I like it to.  However, notice how the mech is exactly the same.  In the end it goes down to the face and I prefer the first one.

No never fixed watches.  I only ever repaired electronics.  Wouldn't mind learning though.

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Ohh I like that last one!

Do you fix watches at all?

Oh and heres the watches I buy most often, cheap and cheerful like me ...

http://www.soviesmurfches.co.uk/cat--Vostok-Watches--Vostok.html

Yeah I like it to.  However, notice how the mech is exactly the same.  In the end it goes down to the face and I prefer the first one.

No never fixed watches.  I only ever repaired electronics.  Wouldn't mind learning though.

Def's has fixed a few watches in his time, maybe he could do a master class here

Right I'm off to bed mate, no doubt I'll see you tommorow, you might even get your fith magic star too

[Benner]

Ohh I like that last one!

Do you fix watches at all?

Oh and heres the watches I buy most often, cheap and cheerful like me ...

http://www.soviesmurfches.co.uk/cat--Vostok-Watches--Vostok.html

Yeah I like it to.  However, notice how the mech is exactly the same.  In the end it goes down to the face and I prefer the first one.

No never fixed watches.  I only ever repaired electronics.  Wouldn't mind learning though.

Def's has fixed a few watches in his time, maybe he could do a master class here

Right I'm off to bed mate, no doubt I'll see you tommorow, you might even get your fith magic star too

Hadn't realised I was that close.  Me thinks I am on here too much.

I am sure I will catch you tomorrow.  Night pal. 

[eodtech]

Watch Review from Ed's Watch Reviews'- Link to Pobeda Review


If a watch can be said to be the Timex of Russia, I think the Pobeda is it. In the years immediately following the Second World War, the Soviet government found itself in need of a more modern timepiece than the old Type One (reviewed below). With this in mind, some sort of deal was struck with the French watchmaker Lip for the production of a men's wrissmurfch based on the Lip r26 movement. (For more on Lip see) The result was named Pobeda, meaning victory in Russian (named for obvious reasons). In a curious bit of historical trivia, the name Pobeda was supposedly chosen by Stalin himself (see this page at poljosmurfch.com).

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Initially, production of the Pobeda was only done at the First Moscow Watch Factory, but after a few years, the Second Moscow Watch Factory, the Petrodvoretz factory, the Maslennikov (ZIM) factory and the Vostok factory were producing the movement as well. The various factories made a number of modifications to the movement over the years including adding jewels, replacing the sub dial with a central second hand, and adding a hacking feature. The Pobeda has a reputation for being a very durable watch and the movement was still in production until recently by the ZIM factory. It should be noted that in terms of both quality and desirability, Pobedas made by the First Moscow Watch Factory are considered the best, while the ZIM examples are considered the least collectable. Indeed, the latter examples of ZIM movements have a crude, unfinished look about them, unlike the earlier models that had such touches as Geneva stripes and engine turned finishes.

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Of the three examples shown here, the one with the engraved back was made by the First Moscow Watch Factory in 1955 and the other white-faced model was made in the mid-fifties by the Petrodvoretz factory outside St. Petersburg (later to be renamed the Raketa factory after the Sputnik launch). The black model is an early ZIM, also from the fifties I believe. All three are examples of the original style Pobedas with sub dial second hands. They use acrylic crystals and have no lume. The Pobeda movement is a 15 or 16-jewel hand wound type whose accuracy seems to be in the +/- 40-second range although that can be improved on with regulation. Most Pobedas are smaller, traditionally sized, watches of 33mm and 35mm sizes but prior to the bankruptcy of the ZIM factory in the early 2000's, some 38mm Pobedas were made with mineral crystals. Update-The second from the top picture is a newly acquired Pobeda made in 2004, shortly before the ZIM factory went into bankruptcy. The watch has 18mm lugs and a mineral glass crystal but is otherwise ver similar to the other Pobedas. The case measures 36mm including the crown and the movement is completely undecorated. Above that is another NOS model. It too has 18mm lugs but uses an acrylic crystal like the older Pobedas. Cost me all of $13.

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I mentioned that I considered the Pobeda a Russian Timex. The reason I feel this way is entirely a matter of price. Whether the model you are looking at is new old stock or a vintage model from fifty or so years ago, you would be hard pressed to spend more than thirty dollars on a Pobeda. They are about the least expensive mechanical watches I have encountered. I can easily spend more cash on lunch then a Pobeda would run me. The black model pictured here cost me all of nine dollars while its white counterpart set me back a whopping twenty-two dollars. (Pobedas are widely available on ebay. One seller, Zenitar, has a good assortment of inexpensive new old stock models to choose from. Look under the catagory-Other watches. Older models are available from a variety of different sellers.) Now low price is all well and good of course, provided the watch is not a piece of junk. Fortunately, that is not the case with the Pobeda. While no one is about to confuse one with an Omega, a Pobeda does get the job done well without any fuss. The ZIM model here needed regulating when I got it (it clearly had led a pretty hard life) but now is accurate to about 20 seconds a day. The white-faced Petrodvoretz Pobeda needed nothing when I got it, running at about +15 seconds daily. For a pair of inexpensive 50+-year-old watches with little pretension between them, that's not a bad deal at all.

Note-No discussion of the Pobeda would be complete without mentioning Andrew Babanins fine review over at Timezone.

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Thanks for the write up mate

[Benner]

Yes thank you for that.  Very interesting.

Looks like a Pobeda is not a bad cheap choice then.

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Yes thank you for that.  Very interesting.

Looks like a Pobeda is not a bad cheap choice then.

I fear poor benner's gona have even less money soon

[Benner]

Yes thank you for that.  Very interesting.

Looks like a Pobeda is not a bad cheap choice then.

I fear poor benner's gona have even less money soon

No, poor Benner's Mum will have less money    This would be my xmas pressie from her.

[Benner]

After a lot more fleabay searching I have found these;
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280169175469&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=018

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260173552563&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=016

Anyone have any thoughts?  Mike??

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Why are you picking on me

I think there both very nice, I like the second one more and It's probably authenric (please don't quote me) but it's a lotta dosh though

The second one is still a pretty nice replica though

[Benner]

Why are you picking on me

I think there both very nice, I like the second one more and It's probably authenric (please don't quote me) but it's a lotta dosh though

The second one is still a pretty nice replica though

Cos it's mainly me and you that have been talkin on this topic. 

The second one is genuine, I have looked a lot into it.  Price is steep but correct for what it is.

I prefer the look of the first one, but it is only a copy.  Should be a bit cheaper too.

I have to say, I'm torn. 

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Well the way I see it, if you get the replica your always gona know it's a replica , I'd say swallow the price (or mummy will) and get it, you'll probably never loose money on it, so it's probably a safe investment too

[Benner]

Well the way I see it, if you get the replica your always gona know it's a replica , I'd say swallow the price (or mummy will) and get it, you'll probably never loose money on it, so it's probably a safe investment too

Yeah I suppose there's always that. 

I think I do prefer the second.  Like the little piece of history that comes with it to.

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Well the way I see it, if you get the replica your always gona know it's a replica , I'd say swallow the price (or mummy will) and get it, you'll probably never loose money on it, so it's probably a safe investment too

Yeah I suppose there's always that. 

I think I do prefer the second.  Like the little piece of history that comes with it to.

I think the history is the most important thing, just think that watch may have been up to 35,000 feet in a ME262 or destroying russian tanks at tree top height in Ju 87G!

[Benner]

Well I went for it and bought the Mulco. 

It's now a joint xmas pressie with my wife too.

Just got to wait now.