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Australian Knife Laws

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au Offline Valkie

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Re: Australian Knife Laws
Reply #150 on: January 20, 2025, 02:49:09 AM
I’m curious how many of these were run-of-the-mill pocket knives.

If we give this sort of vapid nonsense the standing of a logical argument, nearly anything can be justified.
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Interesting you say that.

Recently a young "Disturbed" boy, took a large kitchen knife off the shelf in a Coles supermarket and proceeded to stab a worker in the back multiple times.
She survived.
The boy was arrested.
Coles has now taken the sale of ALL knives out of their stores.

Wandind didn't help here at all.

The nutcase that went on the rampage some time ago also used a large kitchen knife and when the weapon was knocked from his hand, he ran into another store and grabbed another one.

Police have had to resort to terminal force several times in the last few years to stop a knife wielding attacker, always large kitchen knives.

The common theme here isnt that they were all using a specific type of knife, although large kitchen knives seem to be the weapon of choice, but that all the offenders had a mental problem.

More and more draconian laws around knives isnt cutting it, no pun intended.
Better mental health help would be more effective.
As would more effective punishment for knife crime.

The whole intent of this OP was to point out that we, as knife owners and users of knives, could eventually see the removal of these very useful tools for no good reason.

Knives have been carried since man first learned to chip away at a stone and make a sharp tool.
Then he put a handle on it to make it even more useful.
these first "knives" weren't weapons, they were tools, use as a weapon came later.
But there has been an evolution of "knives" over the last 40 to 50 years.
They have become very useful and multifaceted tools that can do everything from sawing through wood to doing up screws.
Unfortunately, some people use them as weapons, but there needs to be a clear distinction between "tools" and "weapons".

I see, as the laws become more and more draconian, we will lose the ability to carry anything even vaguely resembling a knife.
And even taking knives from Australians for use anywhere, even in the home.
I note now that many meat packaging offerings these days are already cut up.
How long before ALL meat products are pre-cut so a knife isn't necessary.
And then Banned from use.

Sounds far fetched?
look back a few years at just what is now illegal in every country.
Look at how things that were considered normal are now banned.
There are new laws being introduced every day, something like 1 new law every week, every week of the year.
Can we ever understand and be aware of all these laws?
remember "ignorance of the law is no excuse" in every country.
So its quite possible that ALL of us are unknowingly breaking some laws that we are not even aware exist.

And it starts in one country and eventually spreads.

I have gone on too long.
Knives to me are tools. Multitools doubly so.
But wea re relinquishing our rights to have tools for reasons that make no real sense.

End of rant.
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Re: Australian Knife Laws
Reply #151 on: January 20, 2025, 09:26:51 AM
Would something like the Roxon Flex work on the Australian Knife Law? : You carry the Tool whitouth the Blade attached outside and when you are on the place where you need the Blade you can just attache it again, or would this not work as the Blade itself is also forbidden even if its not attached to an Handle?

I plan this for the German Knife Law, lets see how this works ..

Sure the Roxons are not that High Quality than Leatherman or Victorinox, but they also work fine ..

It is a bit like in Germany: Most Crimes are made whit Knifes that are not touched by the Law: Big Kitchen Knifes .. 
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au Offline Valkie

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Re: Australian Knife Laws
Reply #152 on: January 20, 2025, 09:53:02 PM
Would something like the Roxon Flex work on the Australian Knife Law? : You carry the Tool whitouth the Blade attached outside and when you are on the place where you need the Blade you can just attache it again, or would this not work as the Blade itself is also forbidden even if its not attached to an Handle?

I plan this for the German Knife Law, lets see how this works ..

Sure the Roxons are not that High Quality than Leatherman or Victorinox, but they also work fine ..

It is a bit like in Germany: Most Crimes are made whit Knifes that are not touched by the Law: Big Kitchen Knifes ..

From what I can make out, and have seen enforced in Australian airports.
ANY tool is considered a weapon.

Nail clippers are confiscated as weapons and you are chastised and threatened with arrest.
A small pair of pliers/ screwdrivers as a keyring was confiscated at the airport from me just two years ago. (see picture)

Screwdrivers, nail files and even some belt buckles are NO GO.

So its not just bladed knives/ tools that are considered a weapon.

I dont want to carry a weapon, I just want to have a handy tool available, when I need it.

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Re: Australian Knife Laws
Reply #153 on: January 20, 2025, 10:20:12 PM
But wea re relinquishing our rights to have tools for reasons that make no real sense.

I believe the ones introducing stricter laws and regulations do it because they think it will help reduce knife related crime. Whether it does, and whether they draw the right distinctions between different kinds of knives and users, are certainly up for discussion.

Even if it does work to some extent that possible gain should be balanced against the lost utility for ordinary law obeying knife users. I think too many argue against knives without any regard for this latter bit. For some the logic seems to be any knife removed, from anyone at any cost, is somehow reducing knife issues. But taking the knife away from a normal user is not reducing any crime. Thus I think life is more complex than that single minded argument, and that the discussion should reflect that.

As an extreme parallel lets take traffic:  Every year hundreds of thousands of people are killed every year worldwide in traffic. Many times more are maimed or affected as family and friends. Then there are pollution and other effects as well. Yet, we as a society does not work to ban traffic or cars as such. Like many areas in life we accept there is a risk, and as a society the utility vs loss has been deemed to be at an acceptable balance despite the human losses. And utility here includes just driving around without a cause if you want too - the freedom to do so having some worth in itself for people.

It might not be the best example, and might hit too close to home for many (sorry), but I do miss some of that balanced utility/ loss/ restrictions discussion when it comes to the freedom to carry knives and other tools. (As a side note, if we didn't already have traffic does anyone think it could be introduced today?)

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Re: Australian Knife Laws
Reply #154 on: January 20, 2025, 10:23:11 PM
From what I can make out, and have seen enforced in Australian airports.

Sorry to hear it has come to that. Somehow Australia seemed like a sane sanctuary of yesteryear when I visited last. That is some years ago now though.
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Re: Australian Knife Laws
Reply #155 on: January 21, 2025, 08:15:58 AM
Ok, even bladeless tools count as weapons sounds like its might be the worst Knifelaw ever ;(
And i live in Germany and think about my Roxon Flex Companion Plans and even keep the One Hand Open Blade which i can easely remove bevor i go somewhere where Knifes are not allowed .. (it depends a bit how easy the Blade from the Flex Plier can get fold out when i put only long tools on this side)

This means this Upcoming Bladeless SAK which was anounced some time ago would also be not allowed ..

How do they fix there Road Train in the Outback then?
Your SAK is only fully yours, when it bites you, or you opend a Trink of your joice whit it
SAKs i have: Huntsman Light (Red Transparent), Workchamp (Black), Wenger EvoGrip S557 (Red), Swisschamp XLT (Red Transparent).. Swisschamp (Blue Transparent) Cybertool L (Blue Celidor (custom scales) , Huntsman (Black Celidor) , Victorinox EvoGrip S557 (Red, but sadly lost in my house somewhere) Victorinox Delemont S17 and S57 ..  , waiting for: Swiza D09 Blue


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Re: Australian Knife Laws
Reply #156 on: January 21, 2025, 09:15:54 PM
Ok, even bladeless tools count as weapons sounds like its might be the worst Knifelaw ever ;(
And i live in Germany and think about my Roxon Flex Companion Plans and even keep the One Hand Open Blade which i can easely remove bevor i go somewhere where Knifes are not allowed .. (it depends a bit how easy the Blade from the Flex Plier can get fold out when i put only long tools on this side)

This means this Upcoming Bladeless SAK which was anounced some time ago would also be not allowed ..

How do they fix there Road Train in the Outback then?

Funny you should ask that.

Just a few months ago I took my caravan for a nice long drive int outback Australia to a tiny little place called Wyandra QLD, look it up, its not as remote as some places, but its a long way from help.

Anyhoo, While making my way there, a Road Train (small one only 4 trailers) had a breakdown.
I pulled over to see if I could be of any help (as we tend to do in Australia.
I carry a fair amount of tools and can carry out most repairs and even undertake serious repairs when required.

But what I carry was pathetic compared to the TOOLBOX this guy had, he could strip down his truck and rebuild it with what he had.
But this repair was a fairly simple one, his throttle cable had come loose and he was reconnecting it.
From what he said, he had done this several times already and was going to buy a new one when he got to his next stop.

Guess what he was using to fix it?

A Leatherman WAVE.
With a toolbox most mechanics would drool over, and he was using a simple Leatherman.
Makes me proud to be a multitool user.

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Re: Australian Knife Laws
Reply #157 on: January 22, 2025, 12:14:59 AM
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