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Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club

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ph Offline Zephon

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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #900 on: December 03, 2021, 10:26:49 AM
Is there a difference between the pliers on a Rev and a Wingman/Sidekick?  My Wingman pliers can’t cut anything right so I’m thinking of dropping in anything that would fit right away.

It can’t be that hard, right?


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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #901 on: December 03, 2021, 01:35:28 PM
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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #902 on: December 03, 2021, 01:38:07 PM
They are different but I think it should fit :think: the Rev pliers are not spring loaded and I believe they are bypass cutters like most all LM except for the Wingman and Sidekick  :think: Just a little tidbit, the Rev and Leap share the same plier head :tu:


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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #903 on: December 03, 2021, 11:18:37 PM
They are different but I think it should fit :think: the Rev pliers are not spring loaded and I believe they are bypass cutters like most all LM except for the Wingman and Sidekick  :think: Just a little tidbit, the Rev and Leap share the same plier head :tu:

Yeah, I’m after the bypass cutters which can actually cut something. I’ve got better chances of getting a cheap Rev than a cheap Leap.


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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #904 on: December 03, 2021, 11:20:54 PM
Yes, for sure the Rev would be cheaper than a Leap :ahhh :D


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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #905 on: December 03, 2021, 11:27:50 PM
Is there a difference between the pliers on a Rev and a Wingman/Sidekick?  My Wingman pliers can’t cut anything right so I’m thinking of dropping in anything that would fit right away.

It can’t be that hard, right?

It looks doable, but it appears that it would require some Dremel work.

Rev plier head:


Sidekick (Wingman) plier head:


Both:



I just looked at the Wingman and Sidekick MTs I have. Mine are not great either. Anvil cutters work best when the cutting surfaces actually make contact  :facepalm:


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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #906 on: December 04, 2021, 12:31:55 AM
It looks doable, but it appears that it would require some Dremel work.

Rev plier head:
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Sidekick (Wingman) plier head:
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Both:
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I just looked at the Wingman and Sidekick MTs I have. Mine are not great either. Anvil cutters work best when the cutting surfaces actually make contact  :facepalm:

Awww nuts. I thought it was a perfect drop-in.

Thanks so much for the comparison pictures Adam!


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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #907 on: December 04, 2021, 01:51:13 AM
You are welcome  :cheers:


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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #908 on: December 04, 2021, 02:46:51 AM
Glad someone had the 2 to conpare :salute: Great job, Adam :like:


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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #909 on: December 05, 2021, 01:57:05 PM
Awww nuts. I thought it was a perfect drop-in.

Thanks so much for the comparison pictures Adam!

There are internal backsprings for the plier head in the Wingman/Sidekick handles that keep the handles from flopping around. Without those backsprings, the Rev plier head will drop in. I have 2 Sidekicks. One has the backsprings, in the other one the backsprings have been snapped out.

Handle with broken backspring:


That backspring should extend all the way to the end of the handle:


In the next picture, one handle has the backspring and one handle does not. The plier head is from the Rev:



The left handle will not open any further.

So, you either have to break out the backsprings or modify the plier head. I do not recommend breaking out the backsprings. The handles will flop around a lot.


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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #910 on: December 06, 2021, 12:33:56 AM
Thank you very much Adam!  :hatsoff:

As much as I’d want to give the Wingman a fighting chance, seems like the plier head design is more troublesome than anticipated. Must be why they made the Curl / Bond line.

Spare parts are a premium here (example: wave scissors go for USD20) so I can only guess-timate what I see.

Much appreciated!


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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #911 on: December 06, 2021, 02:01:28 PM
Thanks for checking,  Adam  :salute: :like:


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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #912 on: December 09, 2021, 07:23:51 AM
Gonna make a confession here - managed to remove an arm of the Wingman from the plier head…..and now I can’t get it back. Yeah, I know there’s a spring of sorts and I’m having trouble keeping it depressed and trying to fit the fastener thru the plier head. Now it’s a bunch of parts in a storage tupperware.
 

Edit:

After 2 hours, I decided to give it a try again.  As I couldn’t generate enough constant force using the Rebar, I ended up opening up the Crunch and using it to generate more force to be able to clamp the spring down.  Guess what? It worked!

Used the Rebar as my screwdriver running the T8 bit from the LM kit.  I encountered a tight screw which almost stripped the LM T8 while removing it.  Had to use a combo of Rebar using the flat LM bits and a ST300 with regular hex bits to tighten the fasteners.  After an hour, here are my Sidekick and Wingman all assembled up.

Btw, the Wingman doesn’t close 100%.  A tiny <1mm part of the plier head touches the bit changer creating that small gap.
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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #913 on: December 09, 2021, 06:13:19 PM
Some plier heads are harder than others to put back :whistle:

Glad you finally got it back together :salute:


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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #914 on: December 09, 2021, 10:07:26 PM
I used a small nail to help align the pivot bolt with the hole in the handle. Then I used my left hand to press the MT onto my work bench. This depressed the backspring enough to allow the pivot bolt to line up with and come through the hole in the handle (using my right hand to push the bolt in).

I will confess that I first thought "Oh crap!" when I first tried to reassemble my Sidekick and discovered just how strong that backspring is  :ahhh


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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #915 on: December 09, 2021, 11:34:12 PM
Rebars are equally hard to put back on :whistle: :facepalm: :D


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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #916 on: December 10, 2021, 01:47:24 AM
By the way, this past weekend I started converting the Sidekick with the broken backsprings on the pliers' end into a pocket knife. That wasn't my intent when I bought it, but that's the best thing I can do with it now.
I have not decided what tools will be in it, but I did work on its appearance:




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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #917 on: December 10, 2021, 03:45:59 AM
I am liking the look of it 8) :like: :like:


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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #918 on: December 10, 2021, 07:11:29 AM
By the way, this past weekend I started converting the Sidekick with the broken backsprings on the pliers' end into a pocket knife. That wasn't my intent when I bought it, but that's the best thing I can do with it now.
I have not decided what tools will be in it, but I did work on its appearance:

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Reminds me of that black and stainless Wingman.




Thanks for sharing your experiences with the plier heads. I swear it wasn’t that bad on a Skele. Anyway, I guess I’ll stick to the inner tools right now and just learn to live with the default plier heads.


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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #919 on: December 16, 2021, 10:23:42 AM
 
Muchas Saludos 🇪🇸


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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #920 on: December 16, 2021, 12:11:10 PM
Great pic,  Estefan  :like: :like:


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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #921 on: February 17, 2022, 04:55:19 AM
Re-arranging implements on the Wingman and Sidekick. Let’s see how the Wingman performs with the 3D Philips from a Rebar.


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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #922 on: February 17, 2022, 04:31:55 PM
Nice swap around :salute: Hopefully it makes the Wingman way more useful for you :tu: :like:


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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #923 on: March 12, 2022, 05:48:30 AM
No Sidekick for me (yet), but here's my Wingman. It remains to be seen how I'll get on with the combo edge and spring-loaded pliers. But it's just as well-made as every other Leatherman I've owned.

 
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One to four layers of SAK is (usually) best for me.

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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #924 on: March 12, 2022, 06:05:45 AM
More great pics,  Farmer :like:


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Re: Leatherman SIDEKICK / WINGMAN Owners Club
Reply #925 on: March 12, 2022, 04:28:16 PM
Thanks, Poncho!
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One to four layers of SAK is (usually) best for me.

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