THE MATRIX 4 AND 5

[tattoosteve99]

Omg I'm such a fan I would sell my most prized sak to see theses. Here's a link. I'm too excited.

http://m.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/jan/24/matrix-4-keanu-reeves-wachowski?cat=film&type=article

[Grant Lamontagne]

The idea seems kind of lame to me... the idea of reviving a story like this after it's already been completed strikes me as a "We're out of money and going to try and milk the thing that made us rich before" sort of thing. 

Plus, isn't Neo dead?

Def

[tattoosteve99]

No Neo isn't ded. That was a part that was never known. I am looking forward to the rest of the story. There is some loose ends that needs to be tied up. If anyone read the comics then they know what else is in store.

[mvyrmnd]

They've got a lot to prove after 2 and 3...

[jekostas]

"Monday 24 January 2011"

You would think we'd had heard something at this point.

[dks]

Yes the 3rd  one was depressing at the end.
Maybe a better ending is needed, like they did with the last Rocky film.
I see some resurrections, curing of blindness etc to make it more interesting.

and Keanu needs the work too!

[Steinar]

4 and 5? I deny any existence of either Matrix 2 or 3! The Matrix was a cool movie, too bad they never made any sequels. 

[Syph007]

lol same for me, I loved the first one and wish I didnt watch any others.

[Pacu]

4 and 5? I deny any existence of either Matrix 2 or 3! The Matrix was a cool movie, too bad they never made any sequels. 

this

and i want Peter Jackson or Ridley Scott to make a Gremlins reboot...or Guillermo del Toro 

[tattoosteve99]

It is fate that they should make more. The brothers wrote this novel had much more to put in it. I have done countless hours of research searching for more info. I find some that says it will happen and some say it was fake. None the less I'd sell my most prized SAKs to see it, if I was broke that is.

[AHB]

The first Matrix was absolutely great, but the second and third was just... Meh..
We actually walked out of the cinema after watching 30 or 40 minutes of the second movie..

[Heinz Doofenshmirtz]

Interesting idea.  I'd go see them if they actually do come out.

However, I was of the opinion that Neo dies at the end of Revolutions.  The way it ended seemed pretty conclusive that he does.  So, I'd think the premise of any follow-ups would be pretty contrived. 

Idea-wise and script-wise, Matrix was the best; action-wise and cool FX-wise, Reloaded was the best (best music too!)

[turnsouth]

However, I was of the opinion that Neo dies at the end of Revolutions.  The way it ended seemed pretty conclusive that he does.

Years ago I had heard that if the movies had ever gone on, that the brothers had intended to have Neo's physical body die but that his mind would be written into a program (like the Oracle, Seraph, etc), and then he would become an Android that would strive to bridge the divide between the humans and machines as they worked together to clear the sky.

[mvyrmnd]

However, I was of the opinion that Neo dies at the end of Revolutions.  The way it ended seemed pretty conclusive that he does.

Years ago I had heard that if the movies had ever gone on, that the brothers had intended to have Neo's physical body die but that his mind would be written into a program (like the Oracle, Seraph, etc), and then he would become an Android that would strive to bridge the divide between the humans and machines as they worked together to clear the sky.

That feels a bit too much 'lived happily ever after' for me.

[turnsouth]

That feels a bit too much 'lived happily ever after' for me.

Not necessarily, I mean Neo would have to face the prospect of living forever with the pain of losing Trinity, as well as having to fight his prejudice against the machines of which he would now be a part. Not to mention the entire race of humans who once worshiped him would now likely hold him in contempt.

I think it would make an excellent contrasting juxtaposition. If written well, it could be quite compelling.

[tattoosteve99]

Well written huh? I believe the brothers can handle that . I really don't think he or his body is dead. I look into the whole movies for answers though. At the end when he and Mr Smith join together the machines use him to end smith so to speak. When the machines carry him off he is still glowing in light. Also the oracle says she believes he will be back "someday". Also in the animatrix and the comics. Yeah I know it's weird but this movie inspired me to do deep thinking on other possibilities of life and existence. 

[turnsouth]

When the machines carry him off he is still glowing in light. Also the oracle says she believes he will be back "someday".

That would fit perfectly with what I heard

Yeah I know it's weird but this movie inspired me to do deep thinking on other possibilities of life and existence.

Not surprising at all considering that the movies were written to include pretty much all the available philosophies on life and existence.

I believe the brothers can handle that

Technically they really aren't "Brothers" anymore...

[Steinar]

The machines carrying away Neo definitely gave off an “carrying Arthur away to Avalon vibe”. In versions of the ballad including Avalon, I seem to remember Arthur is supposed to return when the need for him is the greatest. (Just as Francis Drake and I guess quite a lot of other guys.)

“Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.”

[turnsouth]

"...go through his pockets and look for loose change."
 

[Steinar]

Exactly. 

[Beerplumber]

Isn't Neo a reincarnation anyways? The next movies could be a new "avatar" so to speak? Set like 100 years later maybe? I love the way the matrix created this whole world of endless story possibilities. I would even watch a movie set pre-matrix. Prequels would make great cinema. This is why I like starwars, tonnes of great stories that have nothing to do with Anakin skywalker. 


Stay multi my friends

[turnsouth]

I believe that Neo was a clone, who was genetically preprogrammed with an innate love for all mankind, and a "second sight" that allowed him to naturally see and reach beyond the confines (rules) of the Matrix.

But that is the point isn't it? No matter how much the machines or the humans tried to declare their superiority and uniqueness, as well as their lack of need for each other, in reality they were totally dependent on each other and it required a blending of both life forms in order to survive.

[Threeme2189]

The machines carrying away Neo definitely gave off an “carrying Arthur away to Avalon vibe”. In versions of the ballad including Avalon, I seem to remember Arthur is supposed to return when the need for him is the greatest. (Just as Francis Drake and I guess quite a lot of other guys.)

“Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.”

"...go through his pockets and look for loose change."
 

Now that's a good movie!

My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father, prepare to die!
 

[turnsouth]

My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father, prepare to die!
 

Stop saying that!

 

[Heinz Doofenshmirtz]

I don't think that Neo was a clone, but like all the previous anomalies, all the events in his life were the dumping ground for the remainders of other computations that took place in the matrix.  Sort of like the rounding thing in the computer book keeping from Superman, and Office Space.  All the left overs from the various calculations that had to be done to allow for individual choice, those had to go somewhere, so the effects of those were all funnelled into Neo's experience of the matrix. 

That's why he became The One; there was so much inconsistency and irregularity in his life experience in the matrix, that he never developed enough mental / perceptual stability to see the virtual reality of the matrix as truly real.  Thus he was able to eventually realize that he could bend it to his will because the existence of choice in the system gave him the power to manipulate the system.  His power / ability is sort of an emergent property of his understanding of the system, much like consciousness emerges in the complex recursive processing that occurs in the brain, but being linked in, he was able to figure out how to take the input from the matrix, and feed it back to the system as he wanted.

[Grant Lamontagne]

That doesn't explain why he looked exactly the same in each instance of the Matrix.  It could at best account for why his residual self image inside the Matrix would look similar from one revolution to the next, but his physical body would have to have the exact same set of genes, in exactly the right order to make him look the same each time around.

Def

[turnsouth]

Exactly. 

But the clone idea also begs the question "Did the Oracle implant this Neo's love for Trinity into his genetic makeup, or was it just outside influences (the Oracle telling both of them that they loved each other) that enabled him to choose her over all of mankind?"

The conversation between the Architect and the Oracle at the end seemed to indicate that she had something more to do with Neo's choices than just the advice she gave him.

[tattoosteve99]

That doesn't explain why he looked exactly the same in each instance of the Matrix.  It could at best account for why his residual self image inside the Matrix would look similar from one revolution to the next, but his physical body would have to have the exact same set of genes, in exactly the right order to make him look the same each time around.

Def

He didn't look the same    If that was the case the Morpheus would have known him by sight. Remember Morpheus said "the one" woke up the first of us. It's very complicated but there's a program that controls that too.

[turnsouth]

That doesn't explain why he looked exactly the same in each instance of the Matrix.  It could at best account for why his residual self image inside the Matrix would look similar from one revolution to the next, but his physical body would have to have the exact same set of genes, in exactly the right order to make him look the same each time around.

Def

He didn't look the same    If that was the case the Morpheus would have known him by sight. Remember Morpheus said "the one" woke up the first of us. It's very complicated but there's a program that controls that too.

How would he have? He wasn't alive when The One woke them up for this particular version of Zion (no one in this Zion was), and we have no indication that there are any photos of him. It makes sense that the Machines reuse a particular engineered person for Neo, and that they would make sure that no one in Zion would know what he looked like, but just perhaps a vague idea so that the next "One" could be found. After all in all the previous versions of Neo he choose the door that assimilated himself into the Matrix.

[Grant Lamontagne]

When the Architect showed Neo the previous incarnations of The One it showed multiple Keanus reacting differently.

Def

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