Quote from: WECSOG on January 20, 2019, 05:10:27 PMQuote from: ThundahBeagle on January 20, 2019, 03:09:10 PMQuote from: WECSOG on January 20, 2019, 05:23:56 AMQuote from: ThundahBeagle on January 19, 2019, 04:30:40 PMWranglers are great, for sure. And even the new Wranglers are great. Best 4x4 out of the box. But I agree to some extent with Wes. They have packed so much electronics into the new ones, of course needing to appeal to the younger audience. And they have done silly things as well, such as swelling the interior door handle pods for no obvious reason. Creating a center stack that doesnt really need to be there...This type of move takes up interior space for no obvious reason, making the interior less roomy for all practical matters.Where the hell do you put the CB in a new Wrangler? Ya, ya, wedge it here or there, but in the CJ and even the YJ, you had lots of space for something like that.I'd love to get another K1500 Blazer from the 90's. In fact, I'd rather have a 90's big Blazer over today's Wrangler. (except the Wrangler is still one of the few vehicles that can be got with standard shift).The fuel economy between a new Wrangler and a new Ford F-150 is practically the same, and you get so much more people AND cargo space with the pickupI don't know. I'm rambling.I agree, older Jeeps are much better and everything is getting too bloated and electronically controlled. I got the simplest JK I could, manual transmission etc, but had to accept power windows. I expect it will be my last new Jeep, or new vehicle of any type. But at least Wranglers still have solid axles front and rear.You're right about space for radios, too. I'm a ham and GMRS operator so that's definitely a consideration. I might remove the center console and build a new, more radio-friendly console.The new Jeeps also seem good, but again, the iPad screen and the fact that they try to create managed space instead of having a freely flowing open cabin I know you can still get a brand new Sport model that is standard shift and hand crank windows. You may want to take a look.To be honest, I'm less a fan of the cameras and such, but the navigation comes in handy, but there's nothing that says you have to use it.Nope. No more new vehicles for me. For the 30K+ that a new Wrangler costs I can put Dana 60s front and rear, lockers, new NV4500, Atlas transfer case, 4BT Cummins, new winch, brand new remote mount HF/VHF/UHF radios, great stereo, new top, secure lockable storage, tools, etc. for my old JKU and have plenty of money left over. And have a much better vehicle.WEC, that is exactly the kind of thinking that has me searching for yet another full sized Chevy Blazer or 80'something to 90's Ford Bronco.I don't have near the mechanical or radio experience you have, but I'm building on that
Quote from: ThundahBeagle on January 20, 2019, 03:09:10 PMQuote from: WECSOG on January 20, 2019, 05:23:56 AMQuote from: ThundahBeagle on January 19, 2019, 04:30:40 PMWranglers are great, for sure. And even the new Wranglers are great. Best 4x4 out of the box. But I agree to some extent with Wes. They have packed so much electronics into the new ones, of course needing to appeal to the younger audience. And they have done silly things as well, such as swelling the interior door handle pods for no obvious reason. Creating a center stack that doesnt really need to be there...This type of move takes up interior space for no obvious reason, making the interior less roomy for all practical matters.Where the hell do you put the CB in a new Wrangler? Ya, ya, wedge it here or there, but in the CJ and even the YJ, you had lots of space for something like that.I'd love to get another K1500 Blazer from the 90's. In fact, I'd rather have a 90's big Blazer over today's Wrangler. (except the Wrangler is still one of the few vehicles that can be got with standard shift).The fuel economy between a new Wrangler and a new Ford F-150 is practically the same, and you get so much more people AND cargo space with the pickupI don't know. I'm rambling.I agree, older Jeeps are much better and everything is getting too bloated and electronically controlled. I got the simplest JK I could, manual transmission etc, but had to accept power windows. I expect it will be my last new Jeep, or new vehicle of any type. But at least Wranglers still have solid axles front and rear.You're right about space for radios, too. I'm a ham and GMRS operator so that's definitely a consideration. I might remove the center console and build a new, more radio-friendly console.The new Jeeps also seem good, but again, the iPad screen and the fact that they try to create managed space instead of having a freely flowing open cabin I know you can still get a brand new Sport model that is standard shift and hand crank windows. You may want to take a look.To be honest, I'm less a fan of the cameras and such, but the navigation comes in handy, but there's nothing that says you have to use it.Nope. No more new vehicles for me. For the 30K+ that a new Wrangler costs I can put Dana 60s front and rear, lockers, new NV4500, Atlas transfer case, 4BT Cummins, new winch, brand new remote mount HF/VHF/UHF radios, great stereo, new top, secure lockable storage, tools, etc. for my old JKU and have plenty of money left over. And have a much better vehicle.
Quote from: WECSOG on January 20, 2019, 05:23:56 AMQuote from: ThundahBeagle on January 19, 2019, 04:30:40 PMWranglers are great, for sure. And even the new Wranglers are great. Best 4x4 out of the box. But I agree to some extent with Wes. They have packed so much electronics into the new ones, of course needing to appeal to the younger audience. And they have done silly things as well, such as swelling the interior door handle pods for no obvious reason. Creating a center stack that doesnt really need to be there...This type of move takes up interior space for no obvious reason, making the interior less roomy for all practical matters.Where the hell do you put the CB in a new Wrangler? Ya, ya, wedge it here or there, but in the CJ and even the YJ, you had lots of space for something like that.I'd love to get another K1500 Blazer from the 90's. In fact, I'd rather have a 90's big Blazer over today's Wrangler. (except the Wrangler is still one of the few vehicles that can be got with standard shift).The fuel economy between a new Wrangler and a new Ford F-150 is practically the same, and you get so much more people AND cargo space with the pickupI don't know. I'm rambling.I agree, older Jeeps are much better and everything is getting too bloated and electronically controlled. I got the simplest JK I could, manual transmission etc, but had to accept power windows. I expect it will be my last new Jeep, or new vehicle of any type. But at least Wranglers still have solid axles front and rear.You're right about space for radios, too. I'm a ham and GMRS operator so that's definitely a consideration. I might remove the center console and build a new, more radio-friendly console.The new Jeeps also seem good, but again, the iPad screen and the fact that they try to create managed space instead of having a freely flowing open cabin I know you can still get a brand new Sport model that is standard shift and hand crank windows. You may want to take a look.To be honest, I'm less a fan of the cameras and such, but the navigation comes in handy, but there's nothing that says you have to use it.
Quote from: ThundahBeagle on January 19, 2019, 04:30:40 PMWranglers are great, for sure. And even the new Wranglers are great. Best 4x4 out of the box. But I agree to some extent with Wes. They have packed so much electronics into the new ones, of course needing to appeal to the younger audience. And they have done silly things as well, such as swelling the interior door handle pods for no obvious reason. Creating a center stack that doesnt really need to be there...This type of move takes up interior space for no obvious reason, making the interior less roomy for all practical matters.Where the hell do you put the CB in a new Wrangler? Ya, ya, wedge it here or there, but in the CJ and even the YJ, you had lots of space for something like that.I'd love to get another K1500 Blazer from the 90's. In fact, I'd rather have a 90's big Blazer over today's Wrangler. (except the Wrangler is still one of the few vehicles that can be got with standard shift).The fuel economy between a new Wrangler and a new Ford F-150 is practically the same, and you get so much more people AND cargo space with the pickupI don't know. I'm rambling.I agree, older Jeeps are much better and everything is getting too bloated and electronically controlled. I got the simplest JK I could, manual transmission etc, but had to accept power windows. I expect it will be my last new Jeep, or new vehicle of any type. But at least Wranglers still have solid axles front and rear.You're right about space for radios, too. I'm a ham and GMRS operator so that's definitely a consideration. I might remove the center console and build a new, more radio-friendly console.
Wranglers are great, for sure. And even the new Wranglers are great. Best 4x4 out of the box. But I agree to some extent with Wes. They have packed so much electronics into the new ones, of course needing to appeal to the younger audience. And they have done silly things as well, such as swelling the interior door handle pods for no obvious reason. Creating a center stack that doesnt really need to be there...This type of move takes up interior space for no obvious reason, making the interior less roomy for all practical matters.Where the hell do you put the CB in a new Wrangler? Ya, ya, wedge it here or there, but in the CJ and even the YJ, you had lots of space for something like that.I'd love to get another K1500 Blazer from the 90's. In fact, I'd rather have a 90's big Blazer over today's Wrangler. (except the Wrangler is still one of the few vehicles that can be got with standard shift).The fuel economy between a new Wrangler and a new Ford F-150 is practically the same, and you get so much more people AND cargo space with the pickupI don't know. I'm rambling.
Last week as I was driving down the pier in the freezing rain, alternating between hitting sheer ice and 8-10 inch deep puddles, many of which were hiding potholes and rail lines all I could think of was "smurf I am glad I have a Jeep."This was largely reinforced in my mind when I saw a car on the back of a flatdeck truck with a completely buckled front suspension and the fender sitting directly on the tire. I was reminded of all the times that I have seen that situation. If normal conditions around here kill IFS in a normal car then I will stick to my solid axles.Def
You need to think if you still need solid axles on both ends and a body on frame.In your new line of work, and age, you may be able to get something softer and still be satisfied.
Quote from: Grant Lamontagne on January 22, 2019, 12:57:27 PMLast week as I was driving down the pier in the freezing rain, alternating between hitting sheer ice and 8-10 inch deep puddles, many of which were hiding potholes and rail lines all I could think of was "smurf I am glad I have a Jeep."This was largely reinforced in my mind when I saw a car on the back of a flatdeck truck with a completely buckled front suspension and the fender sitting directly on the tire. I was reminded of all the times that I have seen that situation. If normal conditions around here kill IFS in a normal car then I will stick to my solid axles.DefSame here. Lorries don't have IFS, do they?
Quote from: WECSOG on January 22, 2019, 04:24:17 PMQuote from: Grant Lamontagne on January 22, 2019, 12:57:27 PMLast week as I was driving down the pier in the freezing rain, alternating between hitting sheer ice and 8-10 inch deep puddles, many of which were hiding potholes and rail lines all I could think of was "smurf I am glad I have a Jeep."This was largely reinforced in my mind when I saw a car on the back of a flatdeck truck with a completely buckled front suspension and the fender sitting directly on the tire. I was reminded of all the times that I have seen that situation. If normal conditions around here kill IFS in a normal car then I will stick to my solid axles.DefSame here. Lorries don't have IFS, do they? Most pickups nowadays have IFS, but I have yet to see any of them fail. Still, I will take a solid axle any day of the week. The front end of my Jeep would have been on the ground long ago if it had IFS.And no, most vans don't come standard with a solid axle, nor do they usually come as a 4x4, but luckily there are kits for both, and they usually go hand in hand. That's why I'd be looking for a used van versus a new one, as I would end up spending a lot more money once I got it.Def
IFS strikes again!Def
Nope.I used to, back when I also had a wife.The difference is mass- a Jeep has a lot more of it than a Golf. The Jeep is somewhere in the neighborhood of 4,400lbs versus the Golf which is under 3,000lbs. The difference in the impact of hitting a pothole at 100kms/hr with almost 1,500lbs in the difference is significant. IMHO, they can only barely make IFS strong enough for a small car, but they would have to scale it up exponentially for my Jeep. At that point, why bother, why not just put in a solid axle instead? There would be no weight savings by the time they made a strong enough IFS.Further, I have a paranoia that IFS can potentially cause a lot more damage to valuable engine and drive line components. Look at this diagram I lifted from a Hilux site:(Image removed from quote.)With a solid front axle your precious engine is always off the ground. If you bottom out your suspension it just means that the chassis hits the axle and stays off the harsh and unfriendly rocks.The fragile mechanical bits will never be lower than your axle, unless of course you have a serious mechanical issue, in which case you aren't driving home anyway.The same situation with IFS can potentially allow things like your soft and easily destroyed oil pan to hit the ground. That seems like a really bad thing, and it's not really limited to off road concerns.Def
Sorry I’m late to the party.Here’s my baby: 1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee (ZJ), with the brilliant 4.0 straight six cyl engine....and yes I know she is no show car, but cars are meant to be driven...and at 320.000 km she surely has been!She has a few quirks that needs to be addressed and some cosmetic stuff too.But overall, not bad for a 21 year old Jeep!(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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