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New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?

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New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
on: March 29, 2013, 03:50:03 AM
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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #1 on: March 29, 2013, 03:54:22 AM
The 58mm line.

The small blades on the 91mm would also fit, but not the large blade on 93s, 91s, 85s, or 84s.


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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #2 on: March 29, 2013, 03:57:26 AM
Would the executive line be ok?
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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #3 on: March 29, 2013, 04:00:18 AM
It makes you wonder though...where did the 2.36" figure come from? How did they arrive at 2.36" as being "safe for air travel"?

"Sorry sir, your knife blade measures at 2.45"...I'm afraid I'm going to have to confiscate this item."

I bet more than a few people are pretty cheesed at even allowing the 58mm knives since a good number of people were making bank selling 'confiscated' knives.

The 74mm line should be fine; IIRC, their blades are 2" in length.


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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #4 on: March 29, 2013, 04:08:40 AM
I don't have an Executive, so I can't say for certain, but keep in mind, the TSA ruling on blade length is to the body of the tool, not the cutting edge of the blade. I don't know what the length of the blade is on the Executive measured that way.

And the length is, if I remember right, 6cm, converted to english units, which is why it's an odd number.


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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #5 on: March 29, 2013, 04:30:18 AM
The blog post has interesting photos too.

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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #6 on: March 29, 2013, 05:15:22 AM
The locking blade thing just drives me crazy :rant: Don't people know that a locking blade is safer ??? When I was in the Army we weren't "allowed" to carry locking blades but everyone did anyway.
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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #7 on: March 29, 2013, 05:19:44 AM
Based on the pictures in the blog, it seems that a larger SAK could be used if the tip is cut off. 

Rather interesting!
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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #8 on: March 29, 2013, 05:24:58 AM
Stealth ...That's right, because in the armed services, they don't want you to , you know... hurt someone.  :rofl:

In Air Force basic training, we weren't allowed to carry those big D-cell maglights. We had to carry those cheap-smurf plastic ones, because... you guessed it, the D-Cell ones were deemed dangerous.
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I think the point of restricting blade lock is to make the tool less useful for thrusting. That's the only thing I could ever figure.

papercut. Don't go by the pic. I don't know what POS crappy SAK knockoff they used for the pic, but certainly the larger style SAKs, Wenger Evos and up, all have large blades too big to work. I asked in another thread about possible mods that would use larger knives but only the small blades. Somewhere...


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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #9 on: March 29, 2013, 06:32:19 AM
Wenger VIP and Esquire look OK. The 74mm Victorinox line looks OK. The Victorinox 84mm Sentry single blade looks OK. The Victorinox Florist or Gardener knives are too big as is the regular 84mm SAK main blade and of course any other larger SAK.


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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #10 on: March 29, 2013, 06:59:02 AM
Can someone with an exec measure the blade form tip to liner.  60mm is the cutoff, if the entire lenght is beyond 6 cm, it be too long. 
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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #11 on: March 29, 2013, 06:59:36 AM
I know this is about SAK's, but did they OK larger scissors? Can I bring a LM Style CS or Micra now?
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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #12 on: March 29, 2013, 10:12:15 PM
Scissors have always been ok to bring on-board, as far as I know. I have flown with my Wenger Air Traveler several times, and it has scissors. I placed it on the x-ray machine conveyer belt with the tools open, so they could easily see it had no blade. I was prepared to be hassled, but nobody even mentioned it.

I just measured the main blade on my Executive as 5.5 cm from the tip to where it meets the knife. I only have a beat up old ruler, not a tape measure, so it may not be an exact measurement, but I don't see how it could possibly measure 6 cm.


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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #13 on: March 29, 2013, 10:31:06 PM
I know this is about SAK's, but did they OK larger scissors? Can I bring a LM Style CS or Micra now?

The problem with the Micra, Style CS and Squirt series has been the knife blade. This should be a non-issue after 25 April :think:
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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #14 on: March 30, 2013, 02:01:44 AM
It makes you wonder though...where did the 2.36" figure come from? How did they arrive at 2.36" as being "safe for air travel"?

2.36 inch = 6 centimeters, which I believe is the allowed blade length in some other countries. I read somewhere that TSA was aligning their rules with certain international rules.


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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #15 on: March 30, 2013, 10:50:10 PM
It seems to me that the only ones ok are 58mm and 74mm Vics (Classics, Executives, etc.) and the Wenger Esquires. Everything else exceeds the blade length (measure from base of tang, not cutting edge).
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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #16 on: March 30, 2013, 11:14:08 PM
I have a bunch of the small spearpoint blades from 91mm SAKs.  I was thinking of modding cadets and putting that blade in place of the main blade, for an TSA-A-OK alox model.  An electricians blade should fit as well I would think.

Or maybe a slim voyageur.  Combo/small blade and scissors.
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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #17 on: March 30, 2013, 11:37:45 PM
Scissors have always been ok to bring on-board, as far as I know. I have flown with my Wenger Air Traveler several times, and it has scissors. I placed it on the x-ray machine conveyer belt with the tools open, so they could easily see it had no blade. I was prepared to be hassled, but nobody even mentioned it.

I just measured the main blade on my Executive as 5.5 cm from the tip to where it meets the knife. I only have a beat up old ruler, not a tape measure, so it may not be an exact measurement, but I don't see how it could possibly measure 6 cm.


Yes it is alright to bring some scissors on board as I fly with my Style PS, but as of now you cannot bring a Style CS onboard as the scissors are to big. I am wondering if the scissors on the CS will be under the blade length requirement thus making it alright to carry onboard. 
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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #18 on: March 31, 2013, 12:42:12 AM
In Korea here, it's limited to 5.5cm... Hmm... Wonder if my Victorinox manager can get through...
Has anybody here got a SwissChamp XLT confiscated??? ???


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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #19 on: March 31, 2013, 07:12:30 AM
In Korea here, it's limited to 5.5cm... Hmm... Wonder if my Victorinox manager can get through...
Has anybody here got a SwissChamp XLT confiscated??? ???

That would just suck :think:
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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #20 on: April 01, 2013, 05:31:05 PM
Can someone with an exec measure the blade form tip to liner.  60mm is the cutoff, if the entire lenght is beyond 6 cm, it be too long.
Using my SwissChamp fishscaler scale:  the Exec's blade is exactly 2 1/8" (2.125") from body of knife to tip of larger blade, just under 5/16" wide - less than the TSA's new standard of 2.36" (6 mm?) x .5".  Wenger's Patriot/watch-opener: just over 2 5/16" (2.3125") (about 5.7 mm) x 3/8".  Vic's Classic and Wenger's Esquire are of course considerably smaller than these. 
These are all too long: Wenger's standard blade at 2 9/16", Vic's 84 mm model blade at 2 1/2", Vic's standard blade at over 2 11/16".  The Cadet's even longer at 2 3/4". Victorinox's gardener series are 1/2" wide but over 2 1/2" long.  The small blade of Wenger and Vic Officer's models is OK.

Glad I can retire my Manager with the blade broken off as travel knife.  I wouldn't trust the TSA agent with a full-size SAK scissors tho - might hurt himself with it.

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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #21 on: May 23, 2013, 04:05:21 AM
Was this rule change ever made official?

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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #23 on: May 23, 2013, 09:34:55 AM
Here's the Executive


Can someone with an exec measure the blade form tip to liner.  60mm is the cutoff, if the entire lenght is beyond 6 cm, it be too long.
Using my SwissChamp fishscaler scale:  the Exec's blade is exactly 2 1/8" (2.125") from body of knife to tip of larger blade, just under 5/16" wide - less than the TSA's new standard of 2.36" (6 mm?) x .5".  Wenger's Patriot/watch-opener: just over 2 5/16" (2.3125") (about 5.7 mm) x 3/8".  Vic's Classic and Wenger's Esquire are of course considerably smaller than these. 
These are all too long: Wenger's standard blade at 2 9/16", Vic's 84 mm model blade at 2 1/2", Vic's standard blade at over 2 11/16".  The Cadet's even longer at 2 3/4". Victorinox's gardener series are 1/2" wide but over 2 1/2" long.  The small blade of Wenger and Vic Officer's models is OK.

Glad I can retire my Manager with the blade broken off as travel knife.  I wouldn't trust the TSA agent with a full-size SAK scissors tho - might hurt himself with it.

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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #24 on: June 14, 2013, 02:15:59 AM
Read this article

So if you are coming home from somewhere and you do not have to go through US security you can buy knives and bring them back?


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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #25 on: June 14, 2013, 03:08:02 AM
Read this article
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So if you are coming home from somewhere and you do not have to go through US security you can buy knives and bring them back?

There are a lot of knives there with blades longer than 6cm, so apparently the Swiss aren't following the rules.


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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #26 on: June 14, 2013, 09:43:02 AM
In a word - for US flights - NO. Knives of any length must be in checked luggage. The TSA chickened out
on allowing knives due to pressure from flight attendants, some congress folks, etc. A 2 inch knife is such a
deadly, letha weapon in the eyes of some idiots that the whole knives on planes plan was dropped by the TSA.

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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #27 on: June 14, 2013, 01:22:33 PM
Even if some are considered TSA compliant there is no guarantee that the agent you are dealing with will agree.  They have great discretionary powers with what qualifies and what doesn't.  Don't believe me?  Ask Chewbacca- he got held up this week while the TSA decided whether or not to confiscate the 7 foot, 70 year old man's decorative cane.  If a guy that has an obvious need for a cane is harassed, how are you and your potentially dangerous pocket knife going to be received?

Its tyrannical indeed, but there's no way to fight it at the airport.  Better to start writing letters to your congressmen about this than trying to take on a uniformed agent when your flight is waiting.

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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #28 on: June 19, 2013, 03:37:56 AM
My Super Tool pin was nearly confiscated last week :rant:
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Re: New TSA rules- which SAKS are allowed?
Reply #29 on: June 19, 2013, 04:15:46 AM
My Super Tool pin was nearly confiscated last week :rant:

Seriously? o.O  Because it is a pin, or because of the "knife?"


 

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