Modding a Wenger Standard Issue with Scissors?

Oxford_Guy · **on:** October 16, 2016, 11:22:42 AM

How straightforward would it be to mod a Wenger Standard Issue to take scissors? As I've mentioned in a few places elsewhere, I'm not a fan of the keyring on the 93mm SAKs, as find it digs into the palm of my hand (but don't find this an issue on the 91mm knives), but I do like to be able to dangle my SAKs from a Tec P7 clip - this is one of the reasons I've recently purchased a Wenger Standard issue, as it has a bail. I'd like scissors, though, so was wondering how difficult a mod it would be to add scissors to this and retain the bail?

Is it possible to replace the hollow rivet with one long enough for a 3-layer knife?

Is it possible to use the scissors and backspring from the Pionner X with a Wenger Standard Issue, would they fit without much/any modification? TBH I'd prefer the scissors from a 91mm model with the nail nick on the "correct" side, but how would you then do the back spring?

jaya_man · **Reply #1 on:** October 16, 2016, 12:33:37 PM

Quote from: Oxford_Guy on October 16, 2016, 11:22:42 AM

How straightforward would it be to mod a Wenger Standard Issue to take scissors? As I've mentioned in a few places elsewhere, I'm not a fan of the keyring on the 93mm SAKs, as find it digs into the palm of my hand (but don't find this an issue on the 91mm knives), but I do like to be able to dangle my SAKs from a Tec P7 clip - this is one of the reasons I've recently purchased a Wenger Standard issue, as it has a bail. I'd like scissors, though, so was wondering how difficult a mod it would be to add scissors to this and retain the bail?

Is it possible to replace the hollow rivet with one long enough for a 3-layer knife?

Is it possible to use the scissors and backspring from the Pionner X with a Wenger Standard Issue, would they fit without much/any modification? TBH I'd prefer the scissors from a 91mm model with the nail nick on the "correct" side, but how would you then do the back spring?

I've read somewhere in this forum that the backspring from a 93mm solo would work well for scissors... just enlarge the pivot hole on the scissors.. maybe do a little mod to the backspring so that scissors would sit well...If my memory serves me right...

not to sure how to peen a hollow rivet though... adding scissors layer would make the SI thicker, a new custom bail would be required.

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Oxford_Guy · **Reply #2 on:** October 16, 2016, 02:40:42 PM

Quote from: jaya_man on October 16, 2016, 12:33:37 PM

Quote from: Oxford_Guy on October 16, 2016, 11:22:42 AM
How straightforward would it be to mod a Wenger Standard Issue to take scissors? As I've mentioned in a few places elsewhere, I'm not a fan of the keyring on the 93mm SAKs, as find it digs into the palm of my hand (but don't find this an issue on the 91mm knives), but I do like to be able to dangle my SAKs from a Tec P7 clip - this is one of the reasons I've recently purchased a Wenger Standard issue, as it has a bail. I'd like scissors, though, so was wondering how difficult a mod it would be to add scissors to this and retain the bail?

Is it possible to replace the hollow rivet with one long enough for a 3-layer knife?

Is it possible to use the scissors and backspring from the Pionner X with a Wenger Standard Issue, would they fit without much/any modification? TBH I'd prefer the scissors from a 91mm model with the nail nick on the "correct" side, but how would you then do the back spring?
I've read somewhere in this forum that the backspring from a 93mm solo would work well for scissors... just enlarge the pivot hole on the scissors.. maybe do a little mod to the backspring so that scissors would sit well...If my memory serves me right...

not to sure how to peen a hollow rivet though... adding scissors layer would make the SI thicker, a new custom bail would be required.

Yes I peening the hollow rivet and creating a custom bail could be the tricky parts...

magentus · **Reply #3 on:** October 18, 2016, 09:58:55 PM

The peening is quite tricky. I used a fluted driver bit to widen the rivet - very slow and painstaking process - I had 3 rivets and the first one cracked after a while, but the second one worked. I think I still have a stainless steel one if you want it (a kind member here made them up for me). I will measure it to see if it's long enough for what you want. (That's what she said).

The bail is straightforward enough. I used wire from a coat hanger - pliable but strong. I was pleased with the results and it's stood up to some proper work so far.

hiraethus · **Reply #4 on:** October 18, 2016, 10:36:50 PM

I can't remember if yours is a Wenger or a Vic, magentus. I have a feeling that the hollow rivet in the Wengers is larger than the pin on the Vic - something tattosteve said a while back - but I've not taken one apart to check.

Either way, it should be reasonably straightforward to do - might just need to drill out the scissors pivot to suit. And source a hollow rivet ...

Oxford_Guy · **Reply #5 on:** October 18, 2016, 10:41:03 PM

Quote from: magentus on October 18, 2016, 09:58:55 PM

The peening is quite tricky. I used a fluted driver bit to widen the rivet - very slow and painstaking process - I had 3 rivets and the first one cracked after a while, but the second one worked. I think I still have a stainless steel one if you want it (a kind member here made them up for me). I will measure it to see if it's long enough for what you want. (That's what she said).

The bail is straightforward enough. I used wire from a coat hanger - pliable but strong. I was pleased with the results and it's stood up to some proper work so far.

Thanks, sounds like the mod might be a bit advanced for me currently, but maybe for the future...

Syph007 · **Reply #6 on:** October 19, 2016, 12:22:01 AM

Yes the wenger hollow rivet is 3.5mm vs standard rivet of 3mm.

The mod is possible for sure, but making the hollow rivet is a pain.

Oxford_Guy · **Reply #7 on:** October 19, 2016, 02:41:03 PM

Quote from: Syph007 on October 19, 2016, 12:22:01 AM

Yes the wenger hollow rivet is 3.5mm vs standard rivet of 3mm.

The mod is possible for sure, but making the hollow rivet is a pain.

That's a shame, a Soldier/Standard Issue on a bail with scissors would be pretty much an EDC "grail" for me...

Syph007 · **Reply #8 on:** October 19, 2016, 02:48:08 PM

Quote from: Oxford_Guy on October 19, 2016, 02:41:03 PM

Quote from: Syph007 on October 19, 2016, 12:22:01 AM
Yes the wenger hollow rivet is 3.5mm vs standard rivet of 3mm.

The mod is possible for sure, but making the hollow rivet is a pain.

That's a shame, a Soldier/Standard Issue on a bail with scissors would be pretty much an EDC "grail" for me...

It could be done but I think the easiest would be to peen a rivet then machine a conical hole on each end. Or would it need to to all the way through. Either way that should work. Finding a good bail material is harder as it should be made of spring steel or I guess Ti rod. You don't want it to bend once it's installed.

Oxford_Guy · **Reply #9 on:** October 19, 2016, 03:04:22 PM

Quote from: Syph007 on October 19, 2016, 02:48:08 PM

Quote from: Oxford_Guy on October 19, 2016, 02:41:03 PM
Quote from: Syph007 on October 19, 2016, 12:22:01 AM
Yes the wenger hollow rivet is 3.5mm vs standard rivet of 3mm.

The mod is possible for sure, but making the hollow rivet is a pain.

That's a shame, a Soldier/Standard Issue on a bail with scissors would be pretty much an EDC "grail" for me...

It could be done but I think the easiest would be to peen a rivet then machine a conical hole on each end. Or would it need to to all the way through. Either way that should work. Finding a good bail material is harder as it should be made of spring steel or I guess Ti rod. You don't want it to bend once it's installed.

I don't think the hole would need to go all the way through as long as the machined holes would deep enough for the bail to be a secure fit. I agree you don't want the bail to bend once fitted, Titanium would be nice...