Well, seeing the global spreading of the restrictions on tool (meaning bladed utensils) carrying, the less need for using them, with people gathering in urban areas instead of the country, the diminishing knowledge on how to use them by the newer generations, I'd say they're more focused on the existing knife-people than on trying to gain new followers. I might be wrong, though. It has happened to me once or twice before...
Thanks for all your input, folks Everything you say makes perfect sense, but the question remains: is it really inevitable that large pocket knives will go the way of the dodo? Couldn't Victorinox do more to interest the smartphone generation in a complementary analog tool? The new variety of Classics might be a step in the right direction, but I have yet to meet a kid which wasn't impressed by my 91 mm EDC. Problem is, oftentimes they have never seen a full size SAK before. When I was a kid, Macgyver was on TV and SAKs where on display in department and convenience stores everywhere. You learned about them whether you wanted or not. My father didn't carry a pocket knife, but he didn't need to: upon discovering the Swisschamp in a shop window, I knew I needed one. Today this is not a given anymore and I for one believe Vic should therefore try to promote their SAKs more actively.
ironically the knife market remains pretty vibrant.
I doubt that very much. Though laws around the world have been tighten in recent years, ironically the knife market remains pretty vibrant. The 91mm SAK is as harmless as one could get as a mid size knife/tool, and if that has to go, many famous brands would have been gone along with it(Buck, Opinel, KAI, Boker, Benchmande, Spyderco, Cold Steel...)Quite contrarily, I think we are now living in the Golden Age of knife collecting, so as long you dream it, you probably will find one online to match your fancy.
Quite contrarily, I think we are now living in the Golden Age of knife collecting, so as long you dream it, you probably will find one online to match your fancy.
Yes, but the golden age is an artificially created market invented to stimulate the need for knives as weapons. The whole 'tactical' knife thing started in the late 1980's with companies like cold steel. Benchmade, Spyderco, and the like. It was a result of the knife companies making the so called 'traditional' knife went under, for lack of customers. There just was not that much demand anymore for a pocket knife to serve as a tool, but they created the knife as a weapon. They advertised fast one hand opening, showed it punched through a car door, (what that has to deal with in the real world I don't kw) and used phrases like 'de-animating enemy sentries". They paid for product placement in Hollywood action movies showing how a knife can save the day. The pocket knife used to be a nail tool, but for the sake of sales, it was changed to a fast one hand weapon "in case someone gets on you." I see this phrase a lot on the general knife forums with the young guys taking about what tactical knife to buy for protection. And if you go back far enough, to the 1960's, the famous Buck 110 was pushed for that. In Iron Horse magazine in the late 1960's, the Buck knife was touted as the "official Bikers knife" for whatever you run into in the way of trouble. Charles Manson was a fan of them and equipped his 'family' with them for the butcher jobs they did on innocent victims. By the late 1970's, more and more cities had passed local local bans on knives over 3 inches, knives with locking blades. The city of San Antonio passed a anti lockable knife laws because of the massive increase of knife assaults with the Buck 110.The whole knife market has become one of the newest, best super steel of the month in whatever military looking one hand wonder will make a good profit. It no longer has anything to do with the real world.
I don't know about tactical knives vs. other knives, but I found it interesting that in the issue of the "Victorinox Swiss Army" newsletter email that I just received, the one paragraph in it was for Victorinox's BBQ collection and all of the featured links were for kitchen and cooking utensils.So maybe they are no longer very innovative in SAKs in the face of a shrinking market and have decided to diversify?
I also have no doubt that it looks dorky to some to be handy -- while I feel like MacGuyver when I save the day with my SAK, I no doubt look like Inspector Gadget instead.
Slightly OT, but why can't Vic but a small needle nose pliers in place of the nearly useless pliers on the Deluxe Tinker? Seems it would be more useful.Rich
A lot of guys seem to prefer normal locking or fixed-blade knives. Bushcraft seems to be all the rage these days for those who venture into the outdoors... seems like every knife review is primarily a log-baton test. Victorinox could do well with some proper advertising to showcase the utility and quality, perhaps emphasizing being entirely made in Switzerland.
...retrieving things that slip down the side of the car seat...
Growing up,every man a knew carried a pocket knife (no SAKs though). We weren't supposed to take knives to school, but we did, and as long as you didn't do anything stupid teachers looked the other way. As you say, it's a different world now. Victorinox didn't start marketing other products because their knife business was booming.
Vic%u2019s pliers are great for fine work, they%u2019re now one of my favorite Vic tools.
Yes. But hell, practically every BOY had a knife of some kind. If you didnt have a little "jack knife" "pocket knife", "pen knife" or Swiss Army knife by the time you were 14, well what were you doing? Many of us had one well before that.We weren't supposed to take knives to school either, but that seemed to mean big scary fixed blades. Nobody took their pocket knives out in class either, if they had them. It was for later, walking home from school. Today, in eastern Massachusetts, they actually promote a "Walk to School Day." WTF?!?! That was every day when I was a kid. Even when I moved from the Boston area to the Adirondacks, if you missed the bus, you were walking. If you stayed late, you were walking.Victorinox took a very big hit in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks of 2001. Let's face it, the US alone is their biggest market as a single nation. And NYC is among our biggest cities. Never mind the national and international restrictions that went into place.I feel Vic is reaching out by way of Cyber Tool and such, but by keeping the blade load out, they will alienate themselves from certain users. I worked with a 26 year old "kid" (I'm 51) in IT last year who said he is afraid of knives when I took my Huntsman out to open and break down some boxes. Afraid of knives. Ok? This kid, a really nice kid and hard worker, was actually afraid of a swiss army knife. So I handed it to him and let him use the little blade to open boxes. He gave it back after the 3rd box and picked up a spring loaded box cutter.I understand Vic building all these other tools basically off the Spartan /Tinker and expanding from there but if they want to be relevant in the future, some Vic SAKs with just the little blade, no saw, and more modern tool set will probably be required
I rather liked the Leatherman Squirt plyers better, but the Vic ones are OK too. The Squirt scissors suck, and the Vic ones are great, so I'd rather go with good plyers and scissors than great plyers and sh1tty scissors
Yep. And another guy in the same IT office would mock me for carrying a swiss army knife and a Leatherman. Said he never needed to carry anything like that. He was the first to put out an all-call in the office: " anyone have a little Philips head screwdriver..." and so on