No need to be gentle. The review was excellent.Most important, in my opinion, is an honest appraisal of a tool, and I felt I got it from this. Good first review, and I hope to see more as time (and new tools) allow.
Great review mate It's just a pity that the tool isn't as good as your write up on it So really what you're saying is that it's a Skeletool on steroids, so much so that it's complete with the supposed steroid related appendage deficiencies How frustrating/uncomfortable are the gears compared with the PPP when using the drivers? Although in fairness the answer to that won't sway me towards getting one to be honest. I think that if I want a big knife that happens to have pliers and drivers, I'd reach for a Buck X-Tract, or maybe a Wenger Ranger.Thanks for the insight - great job
Great job, thanks!I've got one coming, it will probably be here today or tomorrow. I put off getting one due to all the bad reviews, but I finally gave in. I'll be interested to see if my findings mirror yours. I'm going to try hard to compare it to the Skeletool and Octane where it may do favorably, and not the Wave or Spirit where I suspect it will fail hard. It's too bad Sog didn't put out more effort, it's a form factor that I think I'd like.
Quote from: Lynn LeFey on October 14, 2013, 09:02:47 PMNo need to be gentle. The review was excellent.Most important, in my opinion, is an honest appraisal of a tool, and I felt I got it from this. Good first review, and I hope to see more as time (and new tools) allow. +1 on everything Lynn said. Very good review and I hope to see more of them.
Quote from: 3rdpig on October 14, 2013, 09:20:26 PMGreat job, thanks!I've got one coming, it will probably be here today or tomorrow. I put off getting one due to all the bad reviews, but I finally gave in. I'll be interested to see if my findings mirror yours. I'm going to try hard to compare it to the Skeletool and Octane where it may do favorably, and not the Wave or Spirit where I suspect it will fail hard. It's too bad Sog didn't put out more effort, it's a form factor that I think I'd like.I hope you like your PD, but in that comparison it comes in a distant third, IMO. I wish SOG would try again, but use the PPP as the starting point and just tweak it a bit to put it in-line with the Octane and Skeletool. Keep the customizability, add a pocket clip, OHO knife, and outside access tools. Honestly, I don’t even want locking tools - I like the way the PPP is. That would OWN the pocket tool segment, and be legal in UK, etc...
3rdpig, sorry you ended up with this crap to deal with.
Well thought out and worded comments and its appreciated! I dont think much of most chinese manufacturing that involves steel. Electronics etc for sure. But those arent durable goods either. I dont see much of anything of quality that lasts long coming out of there. I bet 95% of our landfill was made in china. Throw it out, buy another... thats what we are supposed to do to be good little consumers. I dont like it. Its pretty near impossible to live without buying something made in china but I sure avoid it if at all possible. It's too bad as this tool is a good concept. Just horrible execution.
Not sure what Sog's original intentions were, I'd like to think it wasn't just to stamp their name on a POS and make a quick buck, but their silence on the issue makes me think the worst. And they know they're a POS and yet they keep selling them.
Instead of blaming the Chinese for the product, as it usually happens when people, especially in the US, buy a bad product the blame should be placed on SOG.
Being the weirdo that I am I use my powerduo and my dime a. Lot. Why? I consider them damaged goods so I do not feel quillty and really they serve me fine.
There's enough blame to go around, first to the the person who ground that part, saw that it was crap, and passed it on anyway. Then to the QC department who either doesn't exist or doesn't care that the tool is filled with crap parts, then to Sog for seeing the parts are crap and shipping it to customers anyway, then not doing anything about it when reports come in that the tool is crap.And possibly the most to blame are the consumers who demand that they get the cheapest thing they can get despite the simple fact that it won't do the job as well, or last anywhere near as long as one that's more expensive. I deal with a lot of Chinese made items, and while they're not fully to blame for the cheap junk that has a name like Sog, Gerber, Stanley or Winchester on it, they are to blame when they flood our markets directly with the no name or off brand junk. And to be honest, I'm mostly pissed at the Chinese because they are capable of making decent items, I've got a couple of Sanrenmu knives, not one of them costing over $20, and they're quite nice. I've got a couple Chinese made firearms, which again are quite nice. They can do it, they just choose not to.And in the end, I'm just pissed at everyone involved and ranting. I'll get over it, but that won't make me like it any better.
If you're only paid to produce goods to a low quality, you'd be stupid to go against your low quality product spec at direct cost to you when that's not what your customers wanted...