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Victorinox Tang Stamps 34095

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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #180 on: April 12, 2020, 07:05:09 PM »
So I`ve tried. I see some differences, but I dont get a plan or a clear trend. Maybe you can help. I added fotos of random vintage can openers, all between 51 and 57, with US PAT PEND stamps and some with +PAT stamps. So can you match the stamps with the can openers? Lets try

Thanks for posting the pictures elsinox! I must apologize for not seeing your post earlier. I didn’t notice it as I was drafting my response about the ‘76 essr stamp.

 :facepalm:

First, grouping what I see is similar I would arrange them as:
4&6
1&5
2&3

I can’t see all the minor ground bevels in your pictures, and can’t see where all the ‘breaks’ and transitions are. And the finer details matter.

My guess is that there are two UPP stamps and that the chronological order is:
6
4
1
5
2
3

I don’t have one that is like #6. It is more of a guess that it precedes #1.

Thanks for taking the time to take the pics and I appreciate that you would make the test ‘blind’.  :)  :tu:

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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #181 on: April 12, 2020, 07:24:22 PM »
Almost forgot...I’d also like to see more pictures of the second knife, which I suppose is a 235U.

I notice it has the thin ~0.5mm scissor liner.

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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #182 on: April 13, 2020, 07:34:17 AM »
Whow, you`re great! Don`t really know how you make it...

I have to search the 235U, because I just took some random knives.
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« Reply #183 on: April 13, 2020, 10:09:55 AM »
 :iagree:
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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #184 on: April 13, 2020, 11:38:01 PM »
Whow, you`re great! Don`t really know how you make it...

I have to search the 235U, because I just took some random knives.

 :cheers: Thanks, and don’t worry about the 235!

I appreciate the opportunity to validate some of my methodology.  :tu:

...

jnoxyd- Thanks for bringing these topics to the surface again. Very interesting recent discussion and totally worth it.  :cheers:

...

Would be nice if some others could chime in with  (new) pictures of those early unstamped openers. Showing all the machined bevels isn’t always easy, but I think it would be valuable for those interested. It does seem possible that those blanks may all precede the UPP stamp. And for now, I will continue to assume the UPP precedes all +PAT versions.

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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #185 on: April 29, 2020, 12:27:30 AM »
Hi guys! I have a question to experts. I got a 84mm victorinox knife with a stamp on an aluminum liner. That is "R" letter.  I cant found any information about that. In my opinion probably it stamp after repair job.
« Last Edit: April 29, 2020, 12:34:26 AM by Old Seaman »
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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #186 on: April 29, 2020, 11:58:57 AM »
Hi Old Seaman,

I've seen this same stamp on old 84 mm Golfers that I take apart for the scissors.  I always just assumed it stood for "right" and was there to assist in assembly at the factory.  Maybe someone else will know more definitively. 

Myron
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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #187 on: May 13, 2020, 10:54:32 AM »
Thank you for information. ;)
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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #188 on: May 31, 2020, 08:59:52 PM »
I have a question: where these stamps were used in 1884-1891? Please tell me if anyone saw the knives made by Karl Elsener before well known Soldier from 1891?
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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #189 on: June 01, 2020, 02:11:36 AM »
You guys are amazing  :o

I am constantly blown away by the level of detail and knowledge in this thread   :tu:

And also extremely jealous of all your 'exposed rivets' SAKs
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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #190 on: October 23, 2020, 11:26:10 AM »
"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. "
No words "Victorinox" , "Elinox" or even "Swiss" in this stamp... What do you think?

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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #191 on: October 23, 2020, 03:02:32 PM »
"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. "
No words "Victorinox" , "Elinox" or even "Swiss" in this stamp... What do you think? (Image removed from quote.)
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Interesting....do you think it is the stamp "R1" in ulli's stamp chart on the first page of this thread?  :think:

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« Reply #192 on: October 23, 2020, 08:25:00 PM »
Interesting....do you think it is the stamp "R1" in ulli's stamp chart on the first page of this thread?  :think:

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Yes, I think it is this stamp but all these knives I've seen were from 1970s . Here's in last Ulli's chart version
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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #193 on: October 23, 2020, 09:11:19 PM »
Yes, I think it is this stamp but all these knives I've seen were from 1970s . Here's in last Ulli's chart version
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That is perplexing.  :think:
Hope someone knows the answer to your inquiry.
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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #194 on: October 23, 2020, 09:16:11 PM »
"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. "
No words "Victorinox" , "Elinox" or even "Swiss" in this stamp... What do you think? (Image removed from quote.)
(Image removed from quote.)
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Interesting. Looks like c. ‘73 to me from what I can see. Might be able to improve on that with pics form the top and bottom, tools closed.

Machining on the saw is a bit smurfed. But that sounds about right for parts in Elinox knives.


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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #195 on: October 24, 2020, 03:47:39 PM »
Yes, I think it is this stamp but all these knives I've seen were from 1970s . Here's in last Ulli's chart version
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Note that the colored details in Ulli's table suggest that this stamp can be found on the back side of blades that have either a vs3 or an els stamp on the front side. The vs3 and els stamps occur on floral knives, so I'm guessing that Ulli saw this stamp on the back side of the blades of floral knives that he believed to be pre-1970. As far as officer knives are concerned, the very few of them that I have seen with this stamp are indeed from the 1970's (probably mid-1970's), so I believe that the time range in Ull's table is a bit wrong. Usage of this stamp may have started in the late 1950's, but didn't end before the mid-1970's.
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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #196 on: November 02, 2020, 05:44:29 AM »
c. ‘51 pre +PAT 136faU ??

Too expensive for me, but thinking it might be proof of sorts that Phillips and Scaler may have been introduced before the official ‘51 and ‘52 dates.

AS2/VSS2 (VaSS) blank/no stamp CO, older style shield, anodized liners and the ‘51+ 2.5mm pins showing.



« Last Edit: November 02, 2020, 06:09:17 AM by kamakiri »

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« Reply #197 on: November 02, 2020, 07:07:45 AM »
c. ‘51 pre +PAT 136faU ??

Too expensive for me, but thinking it might be proof of sorts that Phillips and Scaler may have been introduced before the official ‘51 and ‘52 dates.

AS2/VSS2 (VaSS) blank/no stamp CO, older style shield, anodized liners and the ‘51+ 2.5mm pins showing.

You are right, we discussed it in Vintage group. Let's go there ;)
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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #198 on: November 02, 2020, 06:33:09 PM »
You are right, we discussed it in Vintage group. Let's go there ;)(Image removed from quote.)

I know we covered a lot there...but I wanted to continue this where there was discussion on the blank CO and lack of its stamp.

Mainly, because it ‘proves’ or at least supports two theories. First, that the blank CO predates both UPP and +PAT stamps(as discussed here). And second, that the scaler may predate the Phillips...at least for 90/91mm.


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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #199 on: November 02, 2020, 06:37:50 PM »
And separately, I have found an example of UPP that is machined like early +PAT. So there are knives that can be pegged to ‘53 production.

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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #200 on: November 03, 2020, 04:54:10 PM »
Is this a new one? Variation of vsm1 (475/10 instead of 473/10). What do the numbers mean anyways?

It's a floral knife.

You should seriously visit vicfan.com. All the hoopy froods are doing it.
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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #201 on: November 03, 2020, 05:09:44 PM »
Is this a new one? Variation of vsm1 (475/10 instead of 473/10). What do the numbers mean anyways?

It's a floral knife.
I have a Gardener model with the same stamp. It has unusual scales made from some kind of celluloid (I suppose)
https://leaf-vics.com/2014/11/304-gardener.html
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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #202 on: November 03, 2020, 05:17:23 PM »
Nice SAK Alex.

You should seriously visit vicfan.com. All the hoopy froods are doing it.
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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #203 on: November 03, 2020, 08:25:26 PM »
Is this a new one? Variation of vsm1 (475/10 instead of 473/10). What do the numbers mean anyways?

It's a floral knife.

AFAIK, the numbers are the blade profile name or codes. Pretty sure the 473/10 is one of the grafting profiles, maybe the one with the bark lifter in the back. Lots of them in the 47X range.

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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #204 on: November 03, 2020, 09:03:59 PM »
Thanks!

You should seriously visit vicfan.com. All the hoopy froods are doing it.
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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #206 on: November 15, 2020, 04:03:52 AM »
I’ve been looking for this stamp and can’t find any info. I’m conserved about the lowercase letters. Was there a version with lowercase?
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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #207 on: November 15, 2020, 07:56:50 AM »
It's an early "GEBR.DÜBENDORFER" promotion knife, but I cannot comment on the tang stamp.The only image I can find of one with rivets is very small, and from a closed Bay auction, which seems to be the same reference as your image post.

(edit: I see you won this knife, congrats  :like:)
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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #208 on: November 15, 2020, 08:38:44 AM »
I’ve been looking for this stamp and can’t find any info. I’m conserved about the lowercase letters. Was there a version with lowercase?


You mean the "Elsener Zug"? That was just a dealer, so not an official tang stamp of the company Elsener/Victorinox. It was pretty common to put the name of the dealer on the tang. Most times, there was another stamp on the backside that linked to victorinox, like an Inoxyd Crossbow stamp.

As far as I know, Elsener from the city of Zug was not a close relative to the Karl Elsener family, not like Elsener from Rapperswil who was Karls cousin.
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Re: Victorinox Tang Stamps
« Reply #209 on: November 15, 2020, 01:10:46 PM »
Thanks for the replies. Here’s the other side stamp. This one I can find on the charts.
Doing a search for GEBR.DÜBENDORFER, I find images of early trucks with the name on the side. GEBR is German for brother so it’s like trucking companies names around here. What pattern is the knife? Waiter?
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