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Vintage SAK Owners Club 49806

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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
« Reply #1080 on: March 06, 2020, 01:29:07 PM »
I'll try and see if I can turn it,If it turns, it must be bail.
It can be riveted a little after filing so can be no turn. It is definitely rest of bail.
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
« Reply #1081 on: March 06, 2020, 03:53:59 PM »
They made both variants: with and without bail
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I’m agree with Kamakiri, the rest of broken bail was accurate filed off (or just somebody didn’t like bails)
Probably it was like this one
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 :iagree:

And thanks for the example pics.

On the stag horn models there is also a washer/spacer between the shackle/bail to help clear the extra width from the ridges and contours of the horn.
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
« Reply #1082 on: March 06, 2020, 04:55:28 PM »
Handyman 7236 maU, early- mid 1960s.
Remind me please when they changed large Elinox stamp for a bit smaller one





I was thinking about this recently and I’m thinking the big Elinox tang stamp ends c. ‘66 and maybe later. Perhaps even much later.

We all ‘know’ that lines like Elinox and Hoffritz and advertising use older parts. But analysis is tricky with all the cheaper parts and finishes that Elinox knives got.

My copy like your Handyman is IMO at least ‘65+. It pretty clearly post-dates any ‘63 and ‘64 ‘pegs’ that I have established for main line and advertising knives. Like 100% of the details as far as I’m concerned. It has too many details that match main line ‘65-‘66 range, could be later than that if just 1 or 2 parts are ‘old’/discontinued parts. Which I think is somewhat likely.

One of the thing I want to study more are the Elinox scissors that immediately follow these machined ones...old style stampings that are tumble polished. And continue to look for knives that may be produced between these two types within the later ‘60s. 




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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
« Reply #1083 on: March 06, 2020, 09:08:22 PM »
Just to illustrate what was said by Jazzbass above


I think my point is better made with pictures. Without getting into all the details it is tougher to explain. But here’s some that show how close the last big Elinox stamp is to the main line 29TAM production, tang polishing, VSSR stamp transition to keyrings and 29TSM transition.

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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
« Reply #1084 on: March 07, 2020, 12:45:14 AM »
Why do you think there was a bail in the first place - Didn't they make them with or without bails?    ???
Maybe this was one without    :think:

Ahhh -  I've got it - Thanks lads
If it were bail-less - It would not have had the ring/'bushing' around the rivet head
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« Reply #1085 on: March 07, 2020, 02:32:27 AM »
Ahhh -  I've got it - Thanks lads
If it were bail-less - It would not have had the ring/'bushing' around the rivet head

And there's another washer/spacer under that, because it's stag horn. That's not done on other scales since they are essentially flat. 
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
« Reply #1086 on: March 08, 2020, 06:49:27 AM »
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I think my point is better made with pictures. Without getting into all the details it is tougher to explain. But here%u2019s some that show how close the last big Elinox stamp is to the main line 29TAM production, tang polishing, VSSR stamp transition to keyrings and 29TSM transition.

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Good knowledge kamakiri !I also found a small e Handyman :climber:
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Vintage SAK Owners Club
« Reply #1087 on: March 25, 2020, 03:40:03 PM »
One more 84mm Super Tinker LNF , now with bail - 145kaU . It is not good condition, even LNF is broken off but I'd like to show these knives here because they are hard to find and only few were shown ( Jazzbass called 145k "one of the rarest post WW2 84mm knives" )
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
« Reply #1088 on: March 26, 2020, 01:49:07 AM »
One more 84mm Super Tinker LNF , now with bail - 145kaU . It is not good condition, even LNF is broken off but I'd like to show these knives here because they are hard to find and only few were shown ( Jazzbass called 145k "one of the rarest post WW2 84mm knives" )
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yes interesting,  I learn a lot from youz guys
I have a Pradel that masquerades as a Spartan ... nothing broken but it is ancient, as a kid and now I'm 66! So I enjoy this thread  :tu:

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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
« Reply #1089 on: March 26, 2020, 04:34:05 AM »
I’ve seen the large Elinox with both aluminum and nickel silver bird head spacers, and they certainly are produced into the range of asymmetrical machined (main line) knives, which I estimate production covering/through ‘65. Maybe ending then or in ‘66.  I estimate my latest large Elinox copy to be c. ‘65+. It’s also a Handyman like yours.

Finally found the ‘backup’ proof for my ‘65+ estimate for the big Elinox tang stamp. And I still believe mine to be a bit later than this ‘65 inlay dated sample based on the surface finish. It’s from Ulli’s dated advertising knife thread.
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
« Reply #1090 on: March 26, 2020, 01:20:19 PM »
Finally found the ‘backup’ proof for my ‘65+ estimate for the big Elinox tang stamp. And I still believe mine to be a bit later than this ‘65 inlay dated sample based on the surface finish. It’s from Ulli’s dated advertising knife thread.
Congrats! I like these dated knives  :clap:
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
« Reply #1091 on: March 26, 2020, 06:29:35 PM »
Congrats! I like these dated knives  :clap:
:cheers:
Thanks jnoxyd. I was pretty sure about the ‘65+ estimate based on tool and finish progression analysis, but it only ‘proves’ the ordinal nature of things when there aren’t good or nearby ‘pegs’ to confirm.

I’m still thinking/suspecting it’s later for the actual end. Of course it’s too much to ask for a ‘66 or ‘67 marked knife to confirm.   ;)



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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
« Reply #1092 on: March 27, 2020, 07:33:25 PM »
...from the category "copy a catalog page"... not perfect, but almost.
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« Reply #1093 on: March 27, 2020, 07:51:04 PM »
Absolutely perfect! Can you tell us about these  Elsener Rapperswil knives? Who made these two shown in Victorinox's catalog? Elsener from Schwyz, another knife maker Elsener from Rapperswil or it is collaboration knives? Thank you!
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
« Reply #1094 on: March 27, 2020, 08:07:08 PM »
Nice picture! Can you tell us about these  Elsener Rapperswil knives? Who made these two shown in Victorinox's catalog? Elsener from Schwyz, another knife maker Elsener from Rapperswil or it is collaboration knives? Thank you!
Difficult to describe... I would say it is/was a collaboration. The knifemaker shop still exists, located in Rapperswil (1 mile from Rüti). Victorinox never did grillon scales as far as I know. So I think Elsener Rapperswil (relative of Karl Elsener, Schwyz), got the tools from Ibach (always carbon steel!), assembled the knives and sold them at his store, stamped with "Elsener Rapperswil". So what is it? A victorinox or not?
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
« Reply #1095 on: March 27, 2020, 08:46:15 PM »
I'd say they are Elsener Rapperswil knives which were made with great help of Victorinox according Karl Elsener principles. Anyway it looks better than famous Buck knives completely made by Schrade and Camillus.
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
« Reply #1096 on: March 28, 2020, 09:56:14 AM »
...from the category "copy a catalog page"... not perfect, but almost.

Wow, what a great collection!They're probably the oldest metal inlaid advertising SAK :drool:
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
« Reply #1097 on: March 28, 2020, 11:10:58 AM »
Those are truly astonishing...

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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
« Reply #1098 on: May 25, 2020, 03:53:17 AM »
Beautiful!
Can we include Wenger here?
What year do we consider Vintage?  :tu:

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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
« Reply #1100 on: May 26, 2020, 02:47:47 AM »
Off course Tony.  :tu:  Just read my first post here in this topic, please...
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