Vintage SAK Owners Club

[Sterg]

Wow, great! Is it 84mm or 91mm in length?

91. I think antique stores see saks as inexpensive and let them go for cheap.

[kamakiri]

91. I think antique stores see saks as inexpensive and let them go for cheap.

Yeah, unless they see them on *bay...then they think their broken one is worth the same as the mint one sold a month prior. 

[Echotech]

Wenger I picked up recently, tang stamps and badge suggest from 1930-45, would love to know model number if anyone has more information








With a cadet and FX for size

[Barry Rowland]

Very nice!!

[Echotech]

Thanks Barry 

[pfrsantos]

Wenger I picked up recently, tang stamps and badge suggest from 1930-45, would love to know model number if anyone has more information

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With a cadet and FX for size

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That's a great find!

 

[Echotech]

That's a great find!

 

Thanks pfrsantos 

[jnoxyd]

Mod. 146k from c.1951. Still has nickel silver liners and pre 1951 tools but already has back side Phillips and new style openers.

[TonySal]

Mod. 146k from c.1951. Still has nickel silver liners and pre 1951 tools but already has back side Phillips and new style openers.
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...is that a broken and re-profiled small blade?

[pfrsantos]

...is that a broken and re-profiled small blade?

Nah, just broken...

 

[jnoxyd]

Right, just broken. Should be replaced for another one.

[kamakiri]

Mod. 146k from c.1951. Still has nickel silver liners and pre 1951 tools but already has back side Phillips and new style openers.
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Nice condition considering its rarity. It’s better than one I’ve seen, and the other one I found which has lots to fix.

Does it have any ‘unusual’ liners in it?

[jnoxyd]

[jnoxyd]

Hello everybody.  I need your help explaining the markings on the swiss soldier's knife handle.  Model 1901 made by Forges L&C Vallorbe.  The numbers 238966 and 1911 are stamped on the handle. I was told that the number of the rifle was often put on the knife (in fact, it was intended for disassembling / assembling the rifle) and this number corresponds to Rubin-Schmidt mod.1896 made in 1899. This date is quite consistent with the years of production of the knife (1901-1907) but what can 1911 on the handle mean?  It is also noticeable that the tools of the knife were nickel plated, however I saw this on knives of a later period.  Maybe someone after the service put on his old soldier's knife the number of the rifle, the year of the end of service (?) and plated it with nickel??  Who knows how many years the service was at the beginning of the 20th century?  Any ideas about the markings on the handle of this knife?

[kamakiri]

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Nothing unusual that I see. Thanks for the pics. Yours is like mine, but different and fewer broken parts. Mine is quite a beater.  I do think yours is on the earlier side ‘51/‘52 and mine is ‘52 maybe even as late as ‘53.

I ask because there are some different liners from what I believe is only just before this (UPP) range.

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I found such a SAK. According to the stamps, it should be a hand-made knife made in the 1930s. My question is whether it was made by Victorinox? Will it be a customized product?and will Victorinox make such a strange product?

[Huntsman]

Really looks like a Vic blade.
So I'd say Vic blade in a non-Vic knife to me .... See corkscrew and other tools - don't look like Vic versions

But way more knowledgeabe folk here than me!!

[Max Stone]

Judging by the rough execution of the scales and differing condition of the tools, it appears to be a hand-made combination of donor parts.

How well finished are the back springs, as this will also be a clue to whether or not it's a mod of an existing knife, or a one-off creation? 

EDIT: I think it is not a Victorinox blade, as the marking appears carved and not stamped. 

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Some details

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Some details，I believe this knife is made by hand. Will Vic in the 1930s make this kind of knife by hand?

[Max Stone]

Thanks for the additonal pictures.

I do not think this is a Victorinox knife. But it does look like it came from a factory, as the back springs and corkscrew are properly fabricated to work together.

I suspect that this is from a different factory (not Victorinox), and at some point, the main blade was replaced and someone engraved the Victorinox logo into the blade tang.

But this is only my opinion. There are experts on this forum that will probably be in a better position to comment... 

[xfile]

Thanks for the additonal pictures.

I do not think this is a Victorinox knife. But it does look like it came from a factory, as the back springs and corkscrew are properly fabricated to work together.

I suspect that this is from a different factory (not Victorinox), and at some point, the main blade was replaced and someone engraved the Victorinox logo into the blade tang.

But this is only my opinion. There are experts on this forum that will probably be in a better position to comment... 

Thank's for your opinion, Max stone! I've seen some early pocket knives (most of them were before the 1930s). They all have Vic stamps, but they're not in Vic product catalog. So I'm very confused. First , did Vic make some special products in the early stage? Second, it may be that other knife makers or shops use Vic parts for assembly, but have they been authorized by Vic?

[Max Stone]

Yes, I agree it is confusing and still a mystery.

The question I have is that it appears the blade marking is carved (engraved by hand), and not stamped as you would expect with a Victorinox mark - even the very early Victorinox marks would be stamped and not engraved.

I may be wrong about this, but if I am correct, then no part of this knife is from Victorinox. Maybe you can have a closer look at the Victorinox mark again, to see if it is stamped or engraved? 

[xfile]

Yes, I agree it is confusing and still a mystery.

The question I have is that it appears the blade marking is carved (engraved by hand), and not stamped as you would expect with a Victorinox mark - even the very early Victorinox marks would be stamped and not engraved.

I may be wrong about this, but if I am correct, then no part of this knife is from Victorinox. Maybe you can have a closer look at the Victorinox mark again, to see if it is stamped or engraved? 

I don't think it's a problem with this stamp. This is another stamp from Vic in the 1920s. They all used this technology in their early days

[Max Stone]

OK, you are correct. Then I think we need the experts to comment as the rest of the knife does not look Victorinox. Let's see what other comments you get for this interesting knife. 

[Huntsman]

Ulli / Elsinox  / JNOXYD ....... we need you!!!   

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Ulli / Elsinox  / JNOXYD ....... we need you!!!   

And jazzbass/Minichamp……

[ulli]

Most things are already mentioned.

I would say: the mainblade is original from Victorinox, the rest not. The mainblade seems to be the only part that is inox steel. Victorinox did not produce such knives, at least I dont know of any. The knife seems to be much older that the mainblade.

It could have happened that way: mainblade got broken on the 1930s, the owner brought it to a knifemaker, who repaired the knife as good as he could and used spareparts that were available. That was very normal those days. The owner of the knife was happy, he had his loved knife back with an upgraded inox steel mainblade.

[jnoxyd]

I agree with Ulli , knife body and other tools looks not Victorinox made (small blade nail nick, scissors, corkscrew). BTW I have
Victoria blade on non-Victorinox body also, blades swap was usual that times as Ulli said.
Probably Victorinox (Elsener Messer-Fabrik that days) made very close knife pattern. It’s not shown in known catalogs but looks well factory made. Victoria blade stamp, 1909-1930 according Ulli. It’s not mine to my regret.
Same knife was sold recently:
Sackmesser Victoria https://ricardo.ch/en/a/1177353610

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I agree with Ulli , knife body and other tools looks not Victorinox made (small blade nail nick, scissors, corkscrew). BTW I have
Victoria blade on non-Victorinox body also, blades swap was usual that times as Ulli said.
Probably Victorinox (Elsener Messer-Fabrik that days) made very close knife pattern. It’s not shown in known catalogs but looks well factory made. Victoria blade stamp, 1909-1930 according Ulli. It’s not mine to my regret.
Same knife was sold recently:
Sackmesser Victoria https://ricardo.ch/en/a/1177353610

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This knife is too beautiful! Is this also a blade exchange product? What is the reason for the blade swap? At that time, Vic also made knives by hand. Could it be customized according to customers' requirements?