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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #240 on: February 16, 2017, 01:11:21 PM
Quote from: FolderBeholder on February 16, 2017, 01:50:20 AM
Anyone know the possible age of this one?  I have it inbound:
Armee Suisse on one side.




Nice find FolderBeholder!
Since you are finding some nice old Vics, I thought you might like this video on the evolution of the can opener....it not only shows the different styles, but shows how the can opener switched ends on the knife in 1951

Merit Badges Start a new thread with photos of at least 8 different Wenger models in your collection Participate  in Challenge thread and post a photo of a Classic SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. For 30 consecutive days carry a SAK with a magnifying glass, and post a picture every day in the designated thread. Participate in a Challenge thread, carry a Leatherman Bond, and post a photo every day for 30 consecutive days. Participate  in a Challenge thread and post a photo of a LM Pocket Survival Tool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the multitool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Participate  in Challenge thread and post a photo of a MiniChamp SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. Participate in a challenge thread and post a photo of a Victorinox 91mm XAVT/XL/XLT, 111mm Workchamp XL, Wenger/Delemont S54/Tool Chest Plus or Wenger Giant for thirty (30) consecutive days Start a new thread and post a photo of the 111mm sak for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the minimal sak (2 layers or fewer) for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread with photos of at least 8 different 111mm models in your collection Start a new thread with photos of at least 5 different 111mm models in your collection Start a new thread and post a photo of an Executive or Director for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo daily of any SAK 74mm or smaller ( you can switch it up daily ) for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of a Camper SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of a flashlight as part of your EDC Must start a thread with a photo of your camo SAK Start a new thread and post a photo of the 110 knife for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread with photos of your Buck knives in use Post your pocket dump photos then challenge two more members who must post their pocket dump photos within 24hrs for you to get the badge. Must start a thread with a photo of your stayglow SAK

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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #241 on: February 16, 2017, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: FolderBeholder on February 16, 2017, 02:33:54 AM
I'm going to put it in the database as 205kU, thanks JB!
Could you please tell me, which kind of database you're using for storing information about knives?
Thanks in advance!
Merit Badges Must start a thread with a photo of your birth year SAK Must update or add a page on SAKWiki Start a new thread with photos of at least 12 different 111mm models in your collection Must start a thread showing a photo of at least five BO tools Start a thread with photos of at least twelve different colored ALOX models in your collection Must start a thread with a photo of your stayglow SAK Must start a thread with a photo of your camo SAK

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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #242 on: February 16, 2017, 01:54:52 PM
Quote from: LeaF on February 16, 2017, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: FolderBeholder on February 16, 2017, 02:33:54 AM
I'm going to put it in the database as 205kU, thanks JB!
Could you please tell me, which kind of database you're using for storing information about knives?
Thanks in advance!

At this time, I am using a database program written for the fountain pen collecting community (which I belong to).
It's a free program for Mac or PC, but it is pen specific, yet has a lot of fields I like.  My main information is in a spreadsheet at this time and I'm slowing putting info in this database to see if I like it for SAKs.  So far I'm thinking of just staying with my spreadsheet, Microsoft Excel.
Info about the database here:
http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/29267-fountain-pen-database-available-for-download/

Screenshot of the data fields:
« Last Edit: February 16, 2017, 02:21:21 PM by FolderBeholder »
Rest in peace ColoSwiss, you will always be remembered.
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #243 on: February 16, 2017, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: VICMAN on February 16, 2017, 01:11:21 PM

Nice find FolderBeholder!
Since you are finding some nice old Vics, I thought you might like this video on the evolution of the can opener....it not only shows the different styles, but shows how the can opener switched ends on the knife in 1951
I enjoyed the video, thank you!  :cheers:
Rest in peace ColoSwiss, you will always be remembered.
Merit Badges Participate  in Challenge thread and post a photo of a Classic SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. For 30 consecutive days carry a SAK with a magnifying glass, and post a picture every day in the designated thread. Must start a thread with a photo of at least five (5) of your watches Participate in a Challenge thread, carry a Leatherman Bond, and post a photo every day for 30 consecutive days. Participate  in a Challenge thread and post a photo of a LM Pocket Survival Tool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the multitool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the multitool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Participate  in Challenge thread and post a photo of a MiniChamp SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread with photos of a Japanese made PST in your collection Start a new thread and post a photo of a different SAK each day for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of an Executive or Director for thirty (30) consecutive days. Participate in a challenge thread and post a photo of a Victorinox 91mm XAVT/XL/XLT, 111mm Workchamp XL, Wenger/Delemont S54/Tool Chest Plus or Wenger Giant for thirty (30) consecutive days Start a new thread and post a photo of the 111mm sak for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the minimal sak (2 layers or fewer) for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread with photos of at least 12 different 111mm models in your collection Start a new thread with photos of at least 5 different 111mm models in your collection Start a new thread and post a photo daily of any SAK 74mm or smaller ( you can switch it up daily ) for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of a Camper SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. Test,please ignore Start a new thread with a photo of a modded knife or multitool with your EDC Start a new thread and post a photo of a flashlight as part of your EDC

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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #244 on: February 16, 2017, 02:24:17 PM

Thanks!
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #245 on: February 16, 2017, 03:46:20 PM
Quote from: FolderBeholder on February 16, 2017, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: VICMAN on February 16, 2017, 01:11:21 PM

Nice find FolderBeholder!
Since you are finding some nice old Vics, I thought you might like this video on the evolution of the can opener....it not only shows the different styles, but shows how the can opener switched ends on the knife in 1951
I enjoyed the video, thank you!  :cheers:

You are welcome!
Merit Badges Start a new thread with photos of at least 8 different Wenger models in your collection Participate  in Challenge thread and post a photo of a Classic SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. For 30 consecutive days carry a SAK with a magnifying glass, and post a picture every day in the designated thread. Participate in a Challenge thread, carry a Leatherman Bond, and post a photo every day for 30 consecutive days. Participate  in a Challenge thread and post a photo of a LM Pocket Survival Tool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the multitool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Participate  in Challenge thread and post a photo of a MiniChamp SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. Participate in a challenge thread and post a photo of a Victorinox 91mm XAVT/XL/XLT, 111mm Workchamp XL, Wenger/Delemont S54/Tool Chest Plus or Wenger Giant for thirty (30) consecutive days Start a new thread and post a photo of the 111mm sak for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the minimal sak (2 layers or fewer) for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread with photos of at least 8 different 111mm models in your collection Start a new thread with photos of at least 5 different 111mm models in your collection Start a new thread and post a photo of an Executive or Director for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo daily of any SAK 74mm or smaller ( you can switch it up daily ) for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of a Camper SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of a flashlight as part of your EDC Must start a thread with a photo of your camo SAK Start a new thread and post a photo of the 110 knife for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread with photos of your Buck knives in use Post your pocket dump photos then challenge two more members who must post their pocket dump photos within 24hrs for you to get the badge. Must start a thread with a photo of your stayglow SAK

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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #246 on: February 16, 2017, 08:43:11 PM
Quote from: FolderBeholder on February 16, 2017, 01:50:20 AM
Anyone know the possible age of this one?  I have it inbound:
Armee Suisse on one side.





Here is a copy of a chart of tang stamps...you will notice there are 2 versions of Armee Suisse that were used...one from 1891 - 1935 and the other from 1935 - 1951
Merit Badges Start a new thread with photos of at least 8 different Wenger models in your collection Participate  in Challenge thread and post a photo of a Classic SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. For 30 consecutive days carry a SAK with a magnifying glass, and post a picture every day in the designated thread. Participate in a Challenge thread, carry a Leatherman Bond, and post a photo every day for 30 consecutive days. Participate  in a Challenge thread and post a photo of a LM Pocket Survival Tool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the multitool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Participate  in Challenge thread and post a photo of a MiniChamp SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. Participate in a challenge thread and post a photo of a Victorinox 91mm XAVT/XL/XLT, 111mm Workchamp XL, Wenger/Delemont S54/Tool Chest Plus or Wenger Giant for thirty (30) consecutive days Start a new thread and post a photo of the 111mm sak for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the minimal sak (2 layers or fewer) for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread with photos of at least 8 different 111mm models in your collection Start a new thread with photos of at least 5 different 111mm models in your collection Start a new thread and post a photo of an Executive or Director for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo daily of any SAK 74mm or smaller ( you can switch it up daily ) for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of a Camper SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of a flashlight as part of your EDC Must start a thread with a photo of your camo SAK Start a new thread and post a photo of the 110 knife for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread with photos of your Buck knives in use Post your pocket dump photos then challenge two more members who must post their pocket dump photos within 24hrs for you to get the badge. Must start a thread with a photo of your stayglow SAK

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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #247 on: February 17, 2017, 01:07:23 AM
Quote from: VICMAN on February 16, 2017, 08:43:11 PM

Here is a copy of a chart of tang stamps...you will notice there are 2 versions of Armee Suisse that were used...one from 1891 - 1935 and the other from 1935 - 1951
Thank you, I see the distinct difference.  :tu:
Rest in peace ColoSwiss, you will always be remembered.
Merit Badges Participate  in Challenge thread and post a photo of a Classic SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. For 30 consecutive days carry a SAK with a magnifying glass, and post a picture every day in the designated thread. Must start a thread with a photo of at least five (5) of your watches Participate in a Challenge thread, carry a Leatherman Bond, and post a photo every day for 30 consecutive days. Participate  in a Challenge thread and post a photo of a LM Pocket Survival Tool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the multitool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the multitool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Participate  in Challenge thread and post a photo of a MiniChamp SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread with photos of a Japanese made PST in your collection Start a new thread and post a photo of a different SAK each day for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of an Executive or Director for thirty (30) consecutive days. Participate in a challenge thread and post a photo of a Victorinox 91mm XAVT/XL/XLT, 111mm Workchamp XL, Wenger/Delemont S54/Tool Chest Plus or Wenger Giant for thirty (30) consecutive days Start a new thread and post a photo of the 111mm sak for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the minimal sak (2 layers or fewer) for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread with photos of at least 12 different 111mm models in your collection Start a new thread with photos of at least 5 different 111mm models in your collection Start a new thread and post a photo daily of any SAK 74mm or smaller ( you can switch it up daily ) for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of a Camper SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. Test,please ignore Start a new thread with a photo of a modded knife or multitool with your EDC Start a new thread and post a photo of a flashlight as part of your EDC

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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #248 on: February 17, 2017, 01:33:00 AM
Oops - Duplicate post
« Last Edit: February 17, 2017, 01:35:13 AM by Huntsman »
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #249 on: February 17, 2017, 01:40:03 AM
Thank you all for your help.
This one is inbound as well.  I guess from the same time period.  I decided to buy it since that way I'll have an 84mm and then this one a 91mm.
Rest in peace ColoSwiss, you will always be remembered.
Merit Badges Participate  in Challenge thread and post a photo of a Classic SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. For 30 consecutive days carry a SAK with a magnifying glass, and post a picture every day in the designated thread. Must start a thread with a photo of at least five (5) of your watches Participate in a Challenge thread, carry a Leatherman Bond, and post a photo every day for 30 consecutive days. Participate  in a Challenge thread and post a photo of a LM Pocket Survival Tool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the multitool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the multitool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Participate  in Challenge thread and post a photo of a MiniChamp SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread with photos of a Japanese made PST in your collection Start a new thread and post a photo of a different SAK each day for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of an Executive or Director for thirty (30) consecutive days. Participate in a challenge thread and post a photo of a Victorinox 91mm XAVT/XL/XLT, 111mm Workchamp XL, Wenger/Delemont S54/Tool Chest Plus or Wenger Giant for thirty (30) consecutive days Start a new thread and post a photo of the 111mm sak for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the minimal sak (2 layers or fewer) for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread with photos of at least 12 different 111mm models in your collection Start a new thread with photos of at least 5 different 111mm models in your collection Start a new thread and post a photo daily of any SAK 74mm or smaller ( you can switch it up daily ) for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of a Camper SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. Test,please ignore Start a new thread with a photo of a modded knife or multitool with your EDC Start a new thread and post a photo of a flashlight as part of your EDC

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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #250 on: February 17, 2017, 01:42:32 AM
Quote from: FolderBeholder on February 16, 2017, 01:54:52 PM
Quote from: LeaF on February 16, 2017, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: FolderBeholder on February 16, 2017, 02:33:54 AM
I'm going to put it in the database as 205kU, thanks JB!
Could you please tell me, which kind of database you're using for storing information about knives?
Thanks in advance!

At this time, I am using a database program written for the fountain pen collecting community (which I belong to).
It's a free program for Mac or PC, but it is pen specific, yet has a lot of fields I like.  My main information is in a spreadsheet at this time and I'm slowing putting info in this database to see if I like it for SAKs.  So far I'm thinking of just staying with my spreadsheet, Microsoft Excel.
Info about the database here:
http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/29267-fountain-pen-database-available-for-download/

Screenshot of the data fields:


I have to admit to being curious when you mentioned that you were entering information in a database.  I have an information technology background (IT Manager, now retired) and mentioning databases has a similar effect on me as SAKs with magnifiers.  :)

Thanks for sharing some info on the DB application that you are using.  I am even more curious about the organization behind the application.  For example, suppose you REALLY LIKE Camper SAKs and have a number of them but only one new original stock still boxed and the rest unboxed.  Do you put the rest in labeled plastic bags that tie back to your database index?  This would probably make a great topic for a thread of its own.  :)

 :cheers:
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #251 on: February 17, 2017, 01:48:15 AM
I would really like a database that is similar to the pen one, but with fields that pertain to knives.  That is why I am not being successful with the pen one, and have been mainly putting data into Excel.  I really prefer a database though and especially one that allows photos to be added.
I think you're on to something there with a topic starter!  :tu:
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Rest in peace ColoSwiss, you will always be remembered.
Merit Badges Participate  in Challenge thread and post a photo of a Classic SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. For 30 consecutive days carry a SAK with a magnifying glass, and post a picture every day in the designated thread. Must start a thread with a photo of at least five (5) of your watches Participate in a Challenge thread, carry a Leatherman Bond, and post a photo every day for 30 consecutive days. Participate  in a Challenge thread and post a photo of a LM Pocket Survival Tool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the multitool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the multitool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Participate  in Challenge thread and post a photo of a MiniChamp SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread with photos of a Japanese made PST in your collection Start a new thread and post a photo of a different SAK each day for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of an Executive or Director for thirty (30) consecutive days. Participate in a challenge thread and post a photo of a Victorinox 91mm XAVT/XL/XLT, 111mm Workchamp XL, Wenger/Delemont S54/Tool Chest Plus or Wenger Giant for thirty (30) consecutive days Start a new thread and post a photo of the 111mm sak for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the minimal sak (2 layers or fewer) for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread with photos of at least 12 different 111mm models in your collection Start a new thread with photos of at least 5 different 111mm models in your collection Start a new thread and post a photo daily of any SAK 74mm or smaller ( you can switch it up daily ) for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of a Camper SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. Test,please ignore Start a new thread with a photo of a modded knife or multitool with your EDC Start a new thread and post a photo of a flashlight as part of your EDC

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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #252 on: February 17, 2017, 01:50:28 AM
If the rear stamp is "Inoxyd" then it's from the same time period. Most likely it is. If the rear stamp is "Victorinox" through a crossbow, it's a little older (early 40s).

Quote from: FolderBeholder on February 17, 2017, 01:40:03 AM
Thank you all for your help.
This one is inbound as well.  I guess from the same time period.  I decided to buy it since that way I'll have an 84mm and then this one a 91mm.


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #253 on: February 17, 2017, 01:54:51 AM
I can't quite make out the other side of the tang:
Rest in peace ColoSwiss, you will always be remembered.
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #254 on: February 17, 2017, 01:57:51 AM
Fairly sure that's an Inoxyd knife too. If so, then same time period, c. 1944-1946.

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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #255 on: February 17, 2017, 02:05:40 AM
Quote from: jazzbass on February 17, 2017, 01:57:51 AM
Fairly sure that's an Inoxyd knife too. If so, then same time period, c. 1944-1946.
Thank you.
Sure can't seem to find them mint in box like I prefer.   :facepalm:
Rest in peace ColoSwiss, you will always be remembered.
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #256 on: February 17, 2017, 08:07:57 AM
Quote from: FolderBeholder on February 17, 2017, 01:48:15 AM
I would really like a database that is similar to the pen one, but with fields that pertain to knives.  That is why I am not being successful with the pen one, and have been mainly putting data into Excel.  I really prefer a database though and especially one that allows photos to be added.
I think you're on to something there with a topic starter!  :tu:
l think you could do all this (including photos) with Google Sheets. That also provides hosting for the database if you want to make it publicly accessible.
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #257 on: February 17, 2017, 03:11:54 PM
Quote from: FolderBeholder on February 17, 2017, 01:40:03 AM
Thank you all for your help.
This one is inbound as well.  I guess from the same time period.  I decided to buy it since that way I'll have an 84mm and then this one a 91mm.


You are building up a nice collection of vintage VICS!  :like:
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #258 on: February 17, 2017, 04:45:01 PM
Quote from: AndyTiedye on February 17, 2017, 08:07:57 AM
Quote from: FolderBeholder on February 17, 2017, 01:48:15 AM
I would really like a database that is similar to the pen one, but with fields that pertain to knives.  That is why I am not being successful with the pen one, and have been mainly putting data into Excel.  I really prefer a database though and especially one that allows photos to be added.
I think you're on to something there with a topic starter!  :tu:
l think you could do all this (including photos) with Google Sheets. That also provides hosting for the database if you want to make it publicly accessible.
Thank you, I will look into that program.
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #259 on: February 17, 2017, 04:46:51 PM
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You are building up a nice collection of vintage VICS!  :like:
Thank you, though nothing else is on my radar at this time.  I wanted to find an old can opener style SAK, and I found it/them, so I doubt I'll be posting more in here anytime soon.  Just don't quote me on that.  :D
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #260 on: February 18, 2017, 08:12:23 AM
I have a few questions about the vintage models.
I might be obsessing over minor details, but I imagine there are many here that love the minor details
1) I saw a 134k on this thread that had the 1946 can opener and recently saw another on eBay.  All the reference materials I have found show the modern can opener being introduced in 1951 and the Phillips in 1952.  I understand transition times, but considering how few visible rivets knives I have seen with the Phillips yet I have seen at least 2 with the 1946 can opener, I am wondering if the 1946 can opener persisted for longer on the 84's.
Note: the eBay knife was listed as 91 but it was clearly 84
2) in regards to the old numbering system, I understand the 3 digit code.  However I can't seem to find much information on the leading digit when a 4 digit code is given.  It appears the 2xxx refers to the Alox knives.  I have also seen 1xxx and 8xxx but do not understand the distinction between them.  For example what is the model number in the below knife of mine?  It is a Hoffritz Victoria stamped knife.  Is it a 234U 8234U or 1234U?
3) what is the difference between a 205 and a 234?

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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #261 on: February 18, 2017, 03:11:08 PM
Quote from: Forklift on February 18, 2017, 08:12:23 AM
1) I saw a 134k on this thread that had the 1946 can opener and recently saw another on eBay.  All the reference materials I have found show the modern can opener being introduced in 1951 and the Phillips in 1952.  I understand transition times, but considering how few visible rivets knives I have seen with the Phillips yet I have seen at least 2 with the 1946 can opener, I am wondering if the 1946 can opener persisted for longer on the 84's.
Note: the eBay knife was listed as 91 but it was clearly 84
The Phillips back-spring tool definitely appears in the 84mm line first on models with the 1946 can opener. I've seen way too many knives with both to think that it's a factory goof, a one-off, or a later mod. So there are two conclusions: the official date is wrong and the Phillips was introduced earlier, or the 1946 can opener persisted longer for 84mm. I actually believe the answer is both. I think the official date is a little off and the Phillips was introduced c. 1950. BTW, this is actually somewhat common - many of the official dates from Victorinox don't match up with what you see with actual knives. I also believe that the 84mm line used older can openers/cap lifters a bit past 1952.

Quote from: Forklift on February 18, 2017, 08:12:23 AM
2) in regards to the old numbering system, I understand the 3 digit code.  However I can't seem to find much information on the leading digit when a 4 digit code is given.  It appears the 2xxx refers to the Alox knives.  I have also seen 1xxx and 8xxx but do not understand the distinction between them.  For example what is the model number in the below knife of mine?  It is a Hoffritz Victoria stamped knife.  Is it a 234U 8234U or 1234U?

The standard early numbering system was 3 numbers. A leading "1" indicated it was a cellidor handled "Elinox" line knife. So, a "Victoria" line Spartan w/ bail at the time would be a 234U, and an "Elinox" line spartan would be a 1234U. A leading "2" indicated it was an alox handled Elinox knife. There's very little overlap between cellidor "Victoria" line numbers and alox numbers mainly because most of the models were different. The one case were there was the same basic model in both cellidor and alox (The Voyegeur), they did actually have the same base model number - 232 (232k and 2232).

A leading "5", "7", or "8" typically indicated a "special" model - something with tools not part of the standard "Victoria" line (e.g. fine screwdriver, pruner blade, serrated main blade). The Picnicker, for example, is basically a Camper with a serrated main blade and pruner instead of pen blade. It was a model 8237aU, whereas the Camper was a  model 237aU. The Handwerkermesser (model 7236maU) was just a Ranger (model 236maU) with a fine screwdriver instead of a pen blade. There really isn't a logical system with these either - for example the Motorist was a 8134ma, the Picknicker was a 8237aU, but the Handwerkermesser was a 7236maU. Why the "7" instead of "8"?  All knives were "special" models, all were originally Elinox models, etc. But one started with 7 and the other 8.

Your knife below is a 1234U (Elinox line Spartan) made for Hoffritz. All Hoffritz knives in the early days got special "Hoffrtiz/Victoria" stamped blades, regardless if they were "Victoria" line or "Elinox" line models. So if Hoffritz ordered an economy Elinox line knife, they got the same knife anyone buying an Elinox knife at that time got - unpolished tools, unanodized liners, etc. The only difference is the blade was stamped "Hoffritz/Victoria" instead of "Elinox".

Quote from: Forklift on February 18, 2017, 08:12:23 AM
3) what is the difference between a 205 and a 234?

Same knife, just a minor change in the knife numbering system. Seems to have happened sometime in the mid- to late- 1940s. 205 is the original number of the knife most call a Spartan today. 234 is the number you see on boxes and in ads in the early 1950s until the change in 1974. In fact, earlier in this thread I told FolderBeholder her knife was a 205k, since it was older (pre-1946) and 84mm instead of 91mm (k for kleine). It looks like this might be a mistake - the real number is actually 206 if we're being pedantic about the old model numbers. If you look in the 1942 catalog (below), Victorinox is definitely using the same model number between 91mm and 84mm for the same knives (the 248 and 248k, for example), except for the Spartan/Tourist models which still have their original 205/206 numbers, respectively. By the early 1950s they have updated both of these to be more inline with the others (234 and 234k).

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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #262 on: February 18, 2017, 10:04:06 PM
Pulled a few recent vintage ones out of the knife roll....I have others I just can't find them.   :facepalm:

Shown are a Victoria Champion, two Fisherman, an Original Outdoorsman, a Climber and Armee Suisse 84mm Tourist and a Spartan/Standard in 91mm.
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Reply #263 on: February 18, 2017, 10:15:54 PM
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #265 on: February 18, 2017, 11:28:18 PM
Thx guys!!!!

Found another one....

Fisherman Deluxe.



And you guys already saw this one.

Wenger '60 Soldat
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #266 on: February 18, 2017, 11:48:07 PM
Thanks jazzbass!  Excellent answers

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Reply #267 on: February 19, 2017, 12:27:43 AM
Quote from: SAK Guy on February 18, 2017, 10:04:06 PM
Pulled a few recent vintage ones out of the knife roll....I have others I just can't find them.   :facepalm:

Shown are a Victoria Champion, two Fisherman, an Original Outdoorsman, a Climber and Armee Suisse 84mm Tourist and a Spartan/Standard in 91mm.
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #268 on: February 19, 2017, 12:54:49 AM
Quote from: SteveC on February 19, 2017, 12:27:43 AM
Quote from: SAK Guy on February 18, 2017, 10:04:06 PM
Pulled a few recent vintage ones out of the knife roll....I have others I just can't find them.   :facepalm:

Shown are a Victoria Champion, two Fisherman, an Original Outdoorsman, a Climber and Armee Suisse 84mm Tourist and a Spartan/Standard in 91mm.
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Reply #269 on: February 19, 2017, 12:57:54 AM
Quote from: SAK Guy on February 18, 2017, 10:04:06 PM
Pulled a few recent vintage ones out of the knife roll....I have others I just can't find them.   :facepalm:

Shown are a Victoria Champion, two Fisherman, an Original Outdoorsman, a Climber and Armee Suisse 84mm Tourist and a Spartan/Standard in 91mm.
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Merit Badges Participate  in Challenge thread and post a photo of a Classic SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. For 30 consecutive days carry a SAK with a magnifying glass, and post a picture every day in the designated thread. Must start a thread with a photo of at least five (5) of your watches Participate in a Challenge thread, carry a Leatherman Bond, and post a photo every day for 30 consecutive days. Participate  in a Challenge thread and post a photo of a LM Pocket Survival Tool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the multitool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the multitool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Participate  in Challenge thread and post a photo of a MiniChamp SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread with photos of a Japanese made PST in your collection Start a new thread and post a photo of a different SAK each day for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of an Executive or Director for thirty (30) consecutive days. Participate in a challenge thread and post a photo of a Victorinox 91mm XAVT/XL/XLT, 111mm Workchamp XL, Wenger/Delemont S54/Tool Chest Plus or Wenger Giant for thirty (30) consecutive days Start a new thread and post a photo of the 111mm sak for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of the minimal sak (2 layers or fewer) for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread with photos of at least 12 different 111mm models in your collection Start a new thread with photos of at least 5 different 111mm models in your collection Start a new thread and post a photo daily of any SAK 74mm or smaller ( you can switch it up daily ) for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread and post a photo of a Camper SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. Test,please ignore Start a new thread with a photo of a modded knife or multitool with your EDC Start a new thread and post a photo of a flashlight as part of your EDC

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