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Reply #2550 on: June 09, 2016, 11:50:30 AM
Do you hit much when you do?

And if so, is it the stuff you were trying to hit?

Def

Yep bullseye at 1000 yards with no scope up hill in the rain.


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Reply #2551 on: June 09, 2016, 02:55:48 PM
Do you hit much when you do?

And if so, is it the stuff you were trying to hit?

Def


Yep bullseye at 1000 yards with no scope up hill in the rain.

You forgot "at night" :D


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Reply #2552 on: June 09, 2016, 04:54:41 PM
Do you hit much when you do?

And if so, is it the stuff you were trying to hit?

Def


Yep bullseye at 1000 yards with no scope up hill in the rain.

You forgot "at night" :D

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Reply #2553 on: June 09, 2016, 09:13:44 PM
Sounds like a "War Story".

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A: A Fairy Tale begins: "Once upon a time…"

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Reply #2554 on: June 09, 2016, 09:27:34 PM

:twak:

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In terms of ammo, the calibers I shoot regularly are hard to find from major ammo companies, with the exception of some long-established calibers like 7x57 Mauser or .303 British. Try finding 6.5x52mm Carcano or 7.5x55 Swiss in your average sporting goods store! :ahhh That's where companies like Norma and Fiocchi come in. Their loads approximate factory ball, and in Norma's case, the cartridges are Boxer primed, making them easily reloadable. :tu:

Indeed, finding ammo is a real big deal sometimes, at least for reasonable prices.

Many of the ammo that is not that common around can also be had by RWS (no idea, if this ammo is available in the US, but they do good job on their ammo). Mostly hunting ammo though, which means hunting bullets for hunting prices... so no big deal for shooting on a range.

7,5x55 mm Swiss is really hard to come by. Years ago they were even sold in bulk packs at about 50 pcs for about 40.00 EUR. Like the good cheap stuff for 8x57IS or .303Brit.

It might also be a regional thing, here in Germany it´s hard to get .30-30 Win. At least for range shooting. This really sucks.
But very common here are 9.3x72R or 8x57IRS for the hunting rifles like the good ol' Drilling, for example.
Oh... and 16 gauge shotgun shells are widely available here, not so much in the US it seems, even for Trap & Skeet are lighter loads available.
I have about 80 rounds of 7.5x55 loaded, along with about 200 empty cases.  It's an easy cartridge to load for, despite its name it takes standard .308"/7.62mm bullets.  16 gauge is a practically dead loading here in the US. The 3" 20ga can do anything a 16 can and more.  You sometimes see it in smaller shops, but it's far from common. .30-30, however..... ;)

No doubt about it, at least for the US. Here the 16/70 or 16/67.5 is still a common caliber for many hunters here, especially when steel pellets are  not required like hunting small game on the ground. But for water hunter, lead pellets are prohibited here.

But in general, even ammunition seems to follow some trend of fashion. A few years back only the good ol K98 was used in 8x57IS, but it makes a wonderful wild boar round. So... since the wild boars are a real plague here, new guns are made in 8x57IS again and the ammuntion was back in the sellers drawers again.
I have no doubt this will happen to many other calibers, be it rifles or shotguns.

There are so many obsolete calibers and catridges, but time will show if they will come back from the abyss or not.
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Personally, I doubt that the 6.5x52Carcano will come back on the track again. It is not that accurate as it could be. Espcially when the 6.5x55 SE is still around and about for great accuracy.

Here in Germany nobody cared about the Mosin Nagant, and does not to really nowadays. But in the US there seems be some kind of hype about that rifle and the catridge. Indeed, you can get an arsenal cared gun for a few bucks, but accuracy is not so great  - at least from what I´ve seen on the range.

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Reply #2555 on: June 09, 2016, 09:58:21 PM
    Did you all ever see or hear about a Phillips & Rodgers Medusa M-47??
    It can fire more than 25 calibers, making it your go-to firearm in times of ammo shortages. From 9mm Luger to .357 Magnum, this revolver fires almost everything. Unfortunately it's no longer made, but can be purchased for a hefty chunk of change.



Oh yeah...I found out about these around 2006/2007...then they were about $1,000 used, if you could find one.  I actually tracked one down at a shop here in Calif in 2009, but it was quite used and not worth the price.

It's a great idea for the extreme Prepper or collector.   :cheers:
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Reply #2556 on: June 10, 2016, 01:30:54 AM
Tell me about it. I bought Cartridges of the World electronic version for my IPad. I was amazed at all the different types of cartridges there are out there. The book is a very fascinating read by the way.
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Reply #2557 on: June 10, 2016, 01:39:53 AM
Tell me about it. I bought Cartridges of the World electronic version for my IPad. I was amazed at all the different types of cartridges there are out there. The book is a very fascinating read by the way.

Frank Barnes. :) I've had copies of that since I was a kid. Firearms fascinate me, and cartridges do as well. My cartridge collection is quite large, some real rarities in there, like an original .577-450 Martini-Henry rolled brass, paper patched round. Zulu War era......
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Reply #2558 on: June 10, 2016, 03:33:19 AM
The Astra 400 was chambered for the 9mm Largo (Bergman-Bayard)(9x23mm). It would also generally work with the similar 9mm Steyr (also 9x23mm, but slight dimensional differences) and the .38 Colt Auto (forerunner of the hotter .38 Super Auto, and semi-rimmed). Differing reports as to its ability to operate with 9mm Lugar (9x19mm) and 9mm Short (.380 ACP)(9x17mm)(basically headspacing on the extractor).





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Reply #2559 on: June 10, 2016, 03:46:55 AM
A pistol with an excellent reputation. In Hemmingway's For Whom the Bell Tolls, the main character, Robert Jordan, carries an Astra. Papa knew his guns.....  My father has a Spanish "Destroyer" police carbine, chambered for 9mm Largo. It's a miniturized M1893 Mauser action, fed from a pistol-like clip. Very cool, and neat to shoot. :tu: For years, CCI loaded 9mm Largo in their "Blazer" ammo line......
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Reply #2560 on: June 10, 2016, 08:09:23 AM
I once had an Astra 600, the 9mm Luger version of the 400. Awkward grip angle and very sharp recoil. Didn't keep it for long.
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Reply #2561 on: June 11, 2016, 03:58:20 PM
The Astra 400 was chambered for the 9mm Largo (Bergman-Bayard)(9x23mm). It would also generally work with the similar 9mm Steyr (also 9x23mm, but slight dimensional differences) and the .38 Colt Auto (forerunner of the hotter .38 Super Auto, and semi-rimmed). Differing reports as to its ability to operate with 9mm Lugar (9x19mm) and 9mm Short (.380 ACP)(9x17mm)(basically headspacing on the extractor).

I had one of these come through the gun shop years ago....almost kept it but had High Powers and 1911's so couldn't really justify it.....which is the same incredibly stupid logic that caused me to sell my mint 30.06 FN SAFN, Colt Sauer 30-06, German PPK and 2nd Gen Colt Peacemaker.

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Reply #2562 on: June 11, 2016, 05:55:43 PM
The Astra 400 was chambered for the 9mm Largo (Bergman-Bayard)(9x23mm). It would also generally work with the similar 9mm Steyr (also 9x23mm, but slight dimensional differences) and the .38 Colt Auto (forerunner of the hotter .38 Super Auto, and semi-rimmed). Differing reports as to its ability to operate with 9mm Lugar (9x19mm) and 9mm Short (.380 ACP)(9x17mm)(basically headspacing on the extractor).

I had one of these come through the gun shop years ago....almost kept it but had High Powers and 1911's so couldn't really justify it.....which is the same incredibly stupid logic that caused me to sell my mint 30.06 FN SAFN, Colt Sauer 30-06, German PPK and 2nd Gen Colt Peacemaker.

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Er,Robert? :megaslap:
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Reply #2563 on: June 11, 2016, 07:34:10 PM
The Astra 400 was chambered for the 9mm Largo (Bergman-Bayard)(9x23mm). It would also generally work with the similar 9mm Steyr (also 9x23mm, but slight dimensional differences) and the .38 Colt Auto (forerunner of the hotter .38 Super Auto, and semi-rimmed). Differing reports as to its ability to operate with 9mm Lugar (9x19mm) and 9mm Short (.380 ACP)(9x17mm)(basically headspacing on the extractor).

I had one of these come through the gun shop years ago....almost kept it but had High Powers and 1911's so couldn't really justify it.....which is the same incredibly stupid logic that caused me to sell my mint 30.06 FN SAFN, Colt Sauer 30-06, German PPK and 2nd Gen Colt Peacemaker.

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Er,Robert? :megaslap:

This may be the first time it is actually called for.


Sigh.
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Reply #2564 on: June 11, 2016, 07:50:57 PM
:facepalm: forced to sell? When I'm forced to sell, I sell to my dad or my friend's father, then buy them back. :) the guns are basically collateral on a loan.
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Reply #2565 on: June 12, 2016, 07:57:08 AM
    Wished I could of afforded a sub-Commander 1911, thought not sure if I'd stay with 9mm or try 40mm.

    No one I know, outside of police officer, has a .40 caliber I could try out. Almost got the Ruger SR40c... but though others say they weigh the same as a SR9c I found the SR9c to be lighter in weight and have a more comfortable grip. And those other places say it's the same frame and grip as the SR9c but for some reason the SR9c felt better than the SC40c.

    Still, a hammer fired pistol would be more secure in the long run. And I'm guessing with a hammer fired pistol, keeping one in the oven would not put the main spring under pressure like a striker pin version would.

    Kinda of like the Taurus PT738 in that it's hammer fired and I know it's going to be secure. Though the Ruger SR9c/40c have rear safeties too, they are still striker fired. But I trust Ruger. :D
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Reply #2566 on: June 12, 2016, 04:36:35 PM
    Wished I could of afforded a sub-Commander 1911, thought not sure if I'd stay with 9mm or try 40mm.

    No one I know, outside of police officer, has a .40 caliber I could try out. Almost got the Ruger SR40c... but though others say they weigh the same as a SR9c I found the SR9c to be lighter in weight and have a more comfortable grip. And those other places say it's the same frame and grip as the SR9c but for some reason the SR9c felt better than the SC40c.

    Still, a hammer fired pistol would be more secure in the long run. And I'm guessing with a hammer fired pistol, keeping one in the oven would not put the main spring under pressure like a striker pin version would.

    Kinda of like the Taurus PT738 in that it's hammer fired and I know it's going to be secure. Though the Ruger SR9c/40c have rear safeties too, they are still striker fired. But I trust Ruger. :D

That's some pistol!  :o

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Reply #2567 on: June 12, 2016, 07:02:59 PM
The Astra 400 was chambered for the 9mm Largo (Bergman-Bayard)(9x23mm). It would also generally work with the similar 9mm Steyr (also 9x23mm, but slight dimensional differences) and the .38 Colt Auto (forerunner of the hotter .38 Super Auto, and semi-rimmed). Differing reports as to its ability to operate with 9mm Lugar (9x19mm) and 9mm Short (.380 ACP)(9x17mm)(basically headspacing on the extractor).

I had one of these come through the gun shop years ago....almost kept it but had High Powers and 1911's so couldn't really justify it.....which is the same incredibly stupid logic that caused me to sell my mint 30.06 FN SAFN, Colt Sauer 30-06, German PPK and 2nd Gen Colt Peacemaker.

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Er,Robert? :megaslap:

This may be the first time it is actually called for.


Sigh.

Yeah....I agree.  :facepalm:

But....on the flip side, if I had kept them all, there's an excellent chance they would have been lost in the big fire....and that is how I can get to sleep some nights.  :facepalm:
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Reply #2568 on: June 12, 2016, 07:04:17 PM
:facepalm: forced to sell? When I'm forced to sell, I sell to my dad or my friend's father, then buy them back. :) the guns are basically collateral on a loan.


Yeah, I should have done something like this....
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Reply #2569 on: June 12, 2016, 07:05:08 PM
The Astra 400 was chambered for the 9mm Largo (Bergman-Bayard)(9x23mm). It would also generally work with the similar 9mm Steyr (also 9x23mm, but slight dimensional differences) and the .38 Colt Auto (forerunner of the hotter .38 Super Auto, and semi-rimmed). Differing reports as to its ability to operate with 9mm Lugar (9x19mm) and 9mm Short (.380 ACP)(9x17mm)(basically headspacing on the extractor).

I had one of these come through the gun shop years ago....almost kept it but had High Powers and 1911's so couldn't really justify it.....which is the same incredibly stupid logic that caused me to sell my mint 30.06 FN SAFN, Colt Sauer 30-06, German PPK and 2nd Gen Colt Peacemaker.

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Er,Robert? :megaslap:

This may be the first time it is actually called for.


Sigh.

Yeah....I agree.  :facepalm:

But....on the flip side, if I had kept them all, there's an excellent chance they would have been lost in the big fire....and that is how I can get to sleep some nights.  :facepalm:

That's a great point.

Maybe you should send me all your SAKs for safe keeping. Just so there are no issues in the future.


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Reply #2570 on: June 12, 2016, 08:46:40 PM
    Giving a Leatherman MOLLE sheath a second purpose, 17 round magazine carry. :D
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Reply #2571 on: June 13, 2016, 07:04:11 AM
    Wished I could of afforded a sub-Commander 1911, thought not sure if I'd stay with 9mm or try 40mm.

    No one I know, outside of police officer, has a .40 caliber I could try out. Almost got the Ruger SR40c... but though others say they weigh the same as a SR9c I found the SR9c to be lighter in weight and have a more comfortable grip. And those other places say it's the same frame and grip as the SR9c but for some reason the SR9c felt better than the SC40c.

    Still, a hammer fired pistol would be more secure in the long run. And I'm guessing with a hammer fired pistol, keeping one in the oven would not put the main spring under pressure like a striker pin version would.

    Kinda of like the Taurus PT738 in that it's hammer fired and I know it's going to be secure. Though the Ruger SR9c/40c have rear safeties too, they are still striker fired. But I trust Ruger. :D

That's some pistol!  :o

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Reply #2572 on: June 13, 2016, 09:33:37 AM
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Reply #2573 on: June 24, 2016, 07:15:42 AM
 Don't ya just want to kick yourself at times? Was talking to a guy who works at Walmart about his impression of a 30-30, and he gave me his opinion. Then I asked what would be an affordable yet decent Home Defense shotgun? Never owned a shotgun before, nor have I ever shot one (yet). Friends kept telling me, shotgun for home defense. Well...

  Wouldn't ya know it. Walmart has a Savage 320, 12 gauge on sale for $172. Swear they saw me coming! :ahhh
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Reply #2574 on: June 24, 2016, 01:16:00 PM
Sounds like it's time to get some range time in mate. :tu:
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Reply #2575 on: June 24, 2016, 05:13:07 PM
  Had been going to the range for 9mm practice. Am overdue on getting out on that actually.

  Since not able to go out with the Men's Retreat this weekend I might go camping again next week - pending feet issues. Not a fan of going camping alone.

  Have always cleaned a rifle/pistol before heading out to the range cause of the small bored and bullets. Guessing shotguns need to be cleaned just the same even though the bore is much bigger. This is my first shotgun. Still have no idea what possessed me in buying it.

  Seems a lot of people recommend a 20 gauge for home defense cause of the shorter barrel? I've shot grouse with a 38 special shot shell or 22 round. Think is was going to go bird hunting, steel shot prolly be better?

  So looked up the difference between 20 & 12 gauge and found this video...  :rofl:

 
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Reply #2576 on: June 24, 2016, 07:49:35 PM
NOOOO!!!! NOT THE BEER!!!!
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Reply #2577 on: June 24, 2016, 08:01:29 PM
NOOOO!!!! NOT THE BEER!!!!
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When the watermelon appeared, was I the only one going: "Megan?!..."
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Don't worry mate, it's American "light", not really beer at all. :D
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Reply #2578 on: June 24, 2016, 08:27:34 PM
NOOOO!!!! NOT THE BEER!!!!
 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh


When the watermelon appeared, was I the only one going: "Megan?!..."
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Don't worry mate, it's American "light", not really beer at all. :D

Oh, just like spanish beer...

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Reply #2579 on: June 24, 2016, 10:32:53 PM
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