Leatherman Signal - is LM making a survival multi?

[enki_ck]

40% more but only have one knife and no scissors..  WAVE ALL THE WAY.. just carry your firesteel and whistle still cheaper

The mini-scissor is not really a reason to buy a wave.

Yup, can't actually remember them being that much useful. I always preferred the ALX's double bit drivers.

[JAfromMn]

I know speaking for myself I am much better prepared for survival or whatever with the edc I already carry than I would be if I just carried a signal.

Although

It is much better than caring nothing.

 Maybe they are going after a new group who don't have there edc together and are just starting out.

[Obi1shinobee]

40% more but only have one knife and no scissors..  WAVE ALL THE WAY.. just carry your firesteel and whistle still cheaper

The mini-scissor is not really a reason to buy a wave.

if i want a hammer , fire steel , whistle , awl.. i bring this 

[rdub934]

40% more but only have one knife and no scissors..  WAVE ALL THE WAY.. just carry your firesteel and whistle still cheaper

The mini-scissor is not really a reason to buy a wave.

if i want a hammer , fire steel , whistle , awl.. i bring this 

And how much less does all that weigh than say... the Signal?

I'll wait....

[sawman]

Reading further the various comments I'm feeling differently about this new tool. A valid point is raised several times about its price and TBH it's just urking the smurf out of me. I've recently sold off most of my LM's (some, at a loss) and if there's one thing I learned is they're just not worth their price, even their watered down eBay prices. Now through all of this, I've kept my Victorinox collection and still get so much use/enjoyment out of them. I admit the haggling goes on on both sides. Just look at the price of a Spirit - no way it's worth that!

In summary, unless LM can pull their act together and offer a quality tool at a reasonable price, I'm steering way clear of them.

[Gareth]

40% more but only have one knife and no scissors..  WAVE ALL THE WAY.. just carry your firesteel and whistle still cheaper

The mini-scissor is not really a reason to buy a wave.

if i want a hammer , fire steel , whistle , awl.. i bring this 

That's one heck of a big ferro rod!  Got a link?

[Obi1shinobee]

40% more but only have one knife and no scissors..  WAVE ALL THE WAY.. just carry your firesteel and whistle still cheaper

The mini-scissor is not really a reason to buy a wave.

if i want a hammer , fire steel , whistle , awl.. i bring this 

That's one heck of a big ferro rod!  Got a link?

http://survivorfirestarters.com/home/

[Gareth]

[Obi1shinobee]

  8 new feature for      .. number 8 , 12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 

[Etherealicer]

8 2 new feature for      .. number 8, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

12/14 has been done many times (e.g. Wenger), maybe new to LM

8 is not new, the mut has it and this baby:


15: Done by Wenger and done by LM before
17: Done both by Victorinox and Wenger
18: Done by Victorninox

Technically 19 is already available in the Surge

[Aloha]

  I think DEF has a keychain version as well. 

[Obi1shinobee]

8 2 new feature for      .. number 8, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

12/14 has been done many times (e.g. Wenger), maybe new to LM

8 is not new, the mut has it and this baby:
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15: Done by Wenger and done by LM before
17: Done both by Victorinox and Wenger
18: Done by Victorninox

Technically 19 is already available in the Surge

Can you Dig That ??

[hellsing]

3 fonctions on the hex bit driver? I see the main one, but not the 2 other.

Édit: box wrench they said on their website. In USA maybe , that's not metric wrench...

[Obi1shinobee]

3 fonctions on the hex bit driver? I see the main one, but not the 2 other.

Édit: box wrench they said on their website. In USA maybe , that's not metric wrench...

why are you need those in survival mode?? they should put scissors , extra knife ,good file .. survival rules with one knife .. TWO IS ONE AND ONE IS NONE..

[BASguy]

3 fonctions on the hex bit driver? I see the main one, but not the 2 other.

Édit: box wrench they said on their website. In USA maybe , that's not metric wrench...

why are you need those in survival mode?? they should put scissors , extra knife ,good file .. survival rules with one knife .. TWO IS ONE AND ONE IS NONE..

That's part of my annoyance with this tool.  I can see things being brought along on a camping trip where you would find a use for drivers, etc., but if you're going so minimalist that you carry your whistle and fire starter in this thing then it doesn't add up that you would need interchangeable bit drivers


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[Obi1shinobee]

  If im go camping , hiking , city or anywhere .. Tidal wave will be on me.. no signal .. 

[Lichtbote]

It´s OK that you like your Wave, but that´s only your opinion.

For outdoor activities I would go for the Signal before buying the Wave (if both had the same pricepoint). The Wave is really nice for tinkering small stuff, but not very close to the top on my MT-list for outdoor.

[ducttapetech]

Wave is very capable in the outdoors. Yes I like my Surge more but the Wave works just fine outdoors.

Nate

[Obi1shinobee]

It´s OK that you like your Wave, but that´s only your opinion.

For outdoor activities I would go for the Signal before buying the Wave (if both had the same pricepoint). The Wave is really nice for tinkering small stuff, but not very close to the top on my MT-list for outdoor.

     

[Lichtbote]

Had a Wave, thought about it, gifted it to a friend.

It´s to flimsy for me. If i couldn´t use my Surge, i would go for the OHT.

And after that now probably the Signal ... throw away the whistle and such, and mod it to my wishes. It looks like a capable basis.

[Obi1shinobee]

Had a Wave, thought about it, gifted it to a friend.

It´s to flimsy for me. If i couldn´t use my Surge, i would go for the OHT.

And after that now probably the Signal ... throw away the whistle and such, and mod it to my wishes. It looks like a capable basis.

Flimsy?? hahaha i put 2x s30v on it .. will own that surge..

[Lichtbote]

Aye, to flimsy.

[Obi1shinobee]

Aye, to flimsy.

Wave is Flimsy so you get Signal with plastic toy.. you so strong...

[zoidberg]

Had a Wave, thought about it, gifted it to a friend.

It´s to flimsy for me. If i couldn´t use my Surge, i would go for the OHT.

And after that now probably the Signal ... throw away the whistle and such, and mod it to my wishes. It looks like a capable basis.

Flimsy?? hahaha i put 2x s30v on it .. will own that surge..

Did you? I can't see them. 

[eamo]

In a situation where your wellbeing is at stake, then i think whatever gear you have needs to be redundant - eg, Signal has a firestarter but if I were camping I would have a second method of starting a fire.

In this sense, I think the Signal is a good tool that encompasses everything you need in one package but I would also have redundancy built into my kit. Either using the signal as my primary tool and having backup tools (SAK, Wave, box of matches, whatever) or vice versa, have the signal in my bag to complement my other kit.
Redundancy adds weight yes, but even so.

just my €0.02 . . .

[Obi1shinobee]

Had a Wave, thought about it, gifted it to a friend.

It´s to flimsy for me. If i couldn´t use my Surge, i would go for the OHT.

And after that now probably the Signal ... throw away the whistle and such, and mod it to my wishes. It looks like a capable basis.

Flimsy?? hahaha i put 2x s30v on it .. will own that surge..

Did you? I can't see them. 

see what? wave with 2x s30v own surge ?.. haha

[zoidberg]

Had a Wave, thought about it, gifted it to a friend.

It´s to flimsy for me. If i couldn´t use my Surge, i would go for the OHT.

And after that now probably the Signal ... throw away the whistle and such, and mod it to my wishes. It looks like a capable basis.

Flimsy?? hahaha i put 2x s30v on it .. will own that surge..

Did you? I can't see them. 

see what? wave with 2x s30v own surge ?.. haha

I haven't seen your Wave with 2 x S30V blades. 

[Obi1shinobee]

Had a Wave, thought about it, gifted it to a friend.

It´s to flimsy for me. If i couldn´t use my Surge, i would go for the OHT.

And after that now probably the Signal ... throw away the whistle and such, and mod it to my wishes. It looks like a capable basis.

Flimsy?? hahaha i put 2x s30v on it .. will own that surge..

Did you? I can't see them. 

see what? wave with 2x s30v own surge ?.. haha

I haven't seen your Wave with 2 x S30V blades. 

I got 10 s30v on my table..  i can put in anytime i want.. if in city gut hook . if in the wood two s30v

[AimlessWanderer]

In a situation where your wellbeing is at stake, then i think whatever gear you have needs to be redundant - eg, Signal has a firestarter but if I were camping I would have a second method of starting a fire.

In this sense, I think the Signal is a good tool that encompasses everything you need in one package but I would also have redundancy built into my kit. Either using the signal as my primary tool and having backup tools (SAK, Wave, box of matches, whatever) or vice versa, have the signal in my bag to complement my other kit.
Redundancy adds weight yes, but even so.

just my €0.02 . . .

If you are in a genuine survival situation, then one of two things has happened.

A) you have been caught completely unaware by car crash, flood, huricane, volcano, plane crash, tidal wave, or some other devastating event ... or,

B) you have gone into a known hazardous situation unprepared for the reality of the situation.

For the vast majority of people (including me probably) either one of those two events would mean you'd not have the luxury of kit duplication, clear thinking, food and water reserves, a calm situation in which to think and act, a wealth of natural resources at your disposal ... lets not fall into the media trap of confusing survival with camping

[eamo]

In a situation where your wellbeing is at stake, then i think whatever gear you have needs to be redundant - eg, Signal has a firestarter but if I were camping I would have a second method of starting a fire.

In this sense, I think the Signal is a good tool that encompasses everything you need in one package but I would also have redundancy built into my kit. Either using the signal as my primary tool and having backup tools (SAK, Wave, box of matches, whatever) or vice versa, have the signal in my bag to complement my other kit.
Redundancy adds weight yes, but even so.

just my €0.02 . . .

If you are in a genuine survival situation, then one of two things has happened.

A) you have been caught completely unaware by car crash, flood, huricane, volcano, plane crash, tidal wave, or some other devastating event ... or,

B) you have gone into a known hazardous situation unprepared for the reality of the situation.

For the vast majority of people (including me probably) either one of those two events would mean you'd not have the luxury of kit duplication, clear thinking, food and water reserves, a calm situation in which to think and act, a wealth of natural resources at your disposal ... lets not fall into the media trap of confusing survival with camping

all true, but then whats the chances of having a signal as well ? but yeah, i get your point re camping v survival