Radical Victorinox Models

[Corwyn]

[comis]

To call a scissor spring a design flaw is just beyond me. It has been in use for 100 years. I much prefer the precision of the Vic scissors over the Wengers. I don't like the bouncing or the serrations. To call one way a flaw? They are just two different approaches to the same problem. I use mine all the time and never broke a spring. Vics just seem more precise, as the Wengers took a cruder more durable approach. I also much prefer the Vic pliers. They are always open when I need them. I use the pliers 10-20 times a day to pull off industrial strength adhesive stickers on test equipment. Once the pliers are open, one hand use. The Wenger version to me are not one handed.

This reminds me of Beta vs VHS.

I don't use the small pliers on Vic all that much, but I can't agree more on the scissors part.  Maybe it's a personality thing or maybe I am just a 'if it ain't broken, don't fix it' kinda guy, but I always feel Vic 91mm scissors is one of the best, if not the best, in the industry.  It's precise and the feedback is very linear to use.  I have carried different brands of tools in the past, but still can't get pass that feeling like first love. 

VHS vs Beta is a great analogy

[comis]

Beery, I might be a little late to the party, but a late welcome to 

Personally, I am like both Vic and Wenger, maybe more lead to Vic due to familiarity and sentimental reason.  But I am glad to see a Wenger enthusiast amongst us! 

[GigaHz]

To me a scissor springs are like sparks plug in a car. They wear out. They have to be replaced at some point in time. Should we all buy diesels cause they don't use spark plugs? Some people here seem to think so.

[ducttapetech]

I love diesels. If I had it my way, everything I own would run on diesel. Even the chainsaws.

Nate

[tosh]

My Vic Timer has arrived  (thank you Lowtech  )

I think the analogue Vic timer deserves a place in the Radical Victorinox list too.

[AimlessWanderer]

My Vic Timer has arrived  (thank you Lowtech  )

I think the analogue Vic timer deserves a place in the Radical Victorinox list too.

Which one did you get?

[tosh]

My Vic Timer has arrived  (thank you Lowtech  )

I think the analogue Vic timer deserves a place in the Radical Victorinox list too.

Which one did you get?

Sorry Al, are you referring to the clock face??
In which case it's the one with Roman numerals.

[AimlessWanderer]

My Vic Timer has arrived  (thank you Lowtech  )

I think the analogue Vic timer deserves a place in the Radical Victorinox list too.

Which one did you get?

Sorry Al, are you referring to the clock face??
In which case it's the one with Roman numerals.

Sorry, my bad. Which "Timer"? Timekeeper, Supertimer, Pocket alarm clock ...?

[tosh]

My Vic Timer has arrived  (thank you Lowtech  )

I think the analogue Vic timer deserves a place in the Radical Victorinox list too.

Which one did you get?

Sorry Al, are you referring to the clock face??
In which case it's the one with Roman numerals.

Sorry, my bad. Which "Timer"? Timekeeper, Supertimer, Pocket alarm clock ...?

Erm...

TimeKeeper I think! 

[AimlessWanderer]

Timekeeper is like the Compact, but with a watch scale. That's the one I have, though mine's a later one with proper numbers  (red scales on mine, though they did black too)

[tosh]

Timekeeper is like the Compact, but with a watch scale. That's the one I have, though mine's a later one with proper numbers  (red scales on mine, though they did black too)

This is basically the Camper (red)  with the oval face and Roman numerals .

[AimlessWanderer]

Camper ... ooh! Not seen that one 

[tosh]

Timekeeper is like the Compact, but with a watch scale. That's the one I have, though mine's a later one with proper numbers  (red scales on mine, though they did black too)

This is basically the Camper Compact  (red)  with the oval face and Roman numerals .

Camper ... ooh! Not seen that one 

I meant Compact 
Sorry Al, I'm trying to do 3 things at once here, plus grab a peek at MT'o 

[Etherealicer]

My Vic Timer has arrived  (thank you Lowtech  )

I think the analogue Vic timer deserves a place in the Radical Victorinox list too.

As I mentioned above, Vic has made lots of pretty radical scales / scale-tools. Personally, the 58mm pen is growing on me. So, the Midnight Manager should be on the list too.

[Etherealicer]

I think we have forgotten another one:
Victorinox Rescue Tool

To my knowledge its the only rescue knife with a Disc-saw and its replace-able. Of course you and me we all wish they would expand on that bringing replace-able wood- and metal-saws.

[colt 1911]

Victorinox ... Wenger, what's not to like ? Both have pros and cons both never have just the right tool load out. smurf it they are pocket knives and fun to have.


Sak's  rule !

[kkokkolis]

Evolution usually wins revolution. Most revolutions eventually led to civil wars, terrorism, absolutism and imperialism. Victorinox made a revolution once and then invested to evolution (inheriting some absolutism it seems). Evolution is a slow process, sometimes seemingly static cross sectionaly. But eventually the fittest is always the one to survive.

[Beery]

Evolution usually wins revolution. Most revolutions eventually led to civil wars, terrorism, absolutism and imperialism. Victorinox made a revolution once and then invested to evolution (inheriting some absolutism it seems). Evolution is a slow process, sometimes seemingly static cross sectionaly. But eventually the fittest is always the one to survive.

Revolutions lead to civil wars often because those who have traditionally held power tend not to like to lose it. Many times, revolution came about because of the excesses of imperialism, which often included terrorism and absolutism.

In terms of SAKs, it could be argued that evolution is not what has happened, but rather stagnation. Evolution requires a catalyst in the form of something that stresses the species, and I'm hard pressed to see that when considering Victorinox, which is such a big company that it's been essentially safe for decades.

As for the fittest, well the fittest and the best are not necessarily the same thing. Have you ever read the book "Candide"? There is a character in the book, Pangloss, who shares your philosophy - he remained convinced he lived in the best of all possible worlds, despite the horrible situations the characters continuously found themselves in.

[kkokkolis]

Candide is pre-revolutionary if I remember right.
I'm sure he would be beheaded a few years later.

[Beery]

Candide is pre-revolutionary if I remember right.
I'm sure he would be beheaded a few years later.

In the book, Pangloss was hanged under the old regime, which is essentially the same result. You're kinda proving my point. A revolution that creates the same abuses is not worse - it's the same.

[kkokkolis]

I believe that too.
Let's hope that Wenger technicians and designer will bring fresh air to the Victorinox factory and that Victorinox business experts will allow some new concepts to be reality tested in this saturated market.

[ColoSwiss]

When Voltaire was on his death bed a priest called on him to renounce the Devil. Voltaire's reply was "Now's not the time to be making new enemies".

[jerseydevil]

When Voltaire was on his death bed a priest called on him to renounce the Devil. Voltaire's reply was "Now's not the time to be making new enemies".

I've always loved that quote.  And BTW, Candide was first published in 1759, so 30 years before the French Revolution.  One of my favorite books.....