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Style PS scissor spring crapped out again

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Re: Style PS scissor spring crapped out again
Reply #30 on: November 28, 2015, 10:10:40 PM
I recently sent one of my 2 OG Waves in for some warranty work.  They returned it having done 1 of 3 things requested.  It was sent back and they returned it having completed the remaining work however they changed out the main blade and clearly didn't check their work as it cannot be opened OH now.  I was so annoyed I tossed it in the drawer and haven't had time to fiddle with it.  Clearly there is no Captain on the bridge at Leatherman


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Unfortunately things won't change there while ever the overwhelming message on the internet is that Leatherman are the greatest. However, if they wait until the rest of the internet finally catches on to the problems and their global reputation is poor, it will take a long time for them to turn it round and start winning people's trust again. Gerber are now back on the mend after being blacklisted by many people for many years, and SOG still have an uphill battle ahead of them.

Leatherman need to turn things around before the rest of the tool buying public lose faith too, as I don't think they could survive in the marketplace without the current "groupthink"
I've boycotted them. I will continue to use my Wave, PST and Raptor but will not buy another Leatherman product until they clean their act up.

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I've not so much boycotted, as drifted. If that's the route they feel is right, then so be it, but don't expect me to follow  :P The biggest frustration for me with them, is that oh so often their concepts are great on paper, but are so lacking in execution.

It's like someone doing the 100m hurdles, who's always ahead of the pack all the way, but then always faceplants at the next to last hurdle. If they always faceplanted at the first hurdle, no biggie, you just cheer on someone else. These guys are different though, they SHOULD be better! They SHOULD succeed! As it is, they get so close to having a winner it's insanely frustrating. I've just gotten numb to it all. There's only so many times you can watch that before you just don't want to see it any more.

Sticking on the 100m hurdles analogy....

Gerber either make it all the way with a reasonable result, faceplant at the first hurdle, or blindly runs off in the wrong direction..... at least it's entertaining to see what they'll do next.

Victorinox put in the same performance each and every time, whether they win or not.

SOG clobber every single hurdle with their genitals for the full 100m. Their legs spread wider than anyone else, they just never aim high enough.

CRKT are too stoned and are wandering off somewhere else looking for munchies....
Agreed. SOG especially has me :facepalm: often, as their designs are SO CLOSE. Take the Powerlock, refine the short tools and make the long tools longer. Bam! Instant MP600/ST300 destroyer. Take the PPP, add gear covers (from a tool they've already made!  Double :facepalm:) take same refined short tools, add them in. BAM! Instant Sidekick/Wingman/Rev killer. Add locks (Pocket PowerLock!). Instant Rebar/MP400 eater. Power Assist is close, just needs to be less fiddly, and make all tools outside accessable (plus the refined inside tools). Paratool needs to be retired.

And SOGs running out of time to make this comeback. Their compound leverage patent is the only thing keeping their multitool division afloat, and it will run out in the next  couple years. Once Leatherman and Gerber jump on it, SOG needs to already be relevant again, or they will fail.
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Re: Style PS scissor spring crapped out again
Reply #31 on: November 29, 2015, 12:22:39 AM

I recently sent one of my 2 OG Waves in for some warranty work.  They returned it having done 1 of 3 things requested.  It was sent back and they returned it having completed the remaining work however they changed out the main blade and clearly didn't check their work as it cannot be opened OH now.  I was so annoyed I tossed it in the drawer and haven't had time to fiddle with it.  Clearly there is no Captain on the bridge at Leatherman


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Unfortunately things won't change there while ever the overwhelming message on the internet is that Leatherman are the greatest. However, if they wait until the rest of the internet finally catches on to the problems and their global reputation is poor, it will take a long time for them to turn it round and start winning people's trust again. Gerber are now back on the mend after being blacklisted by many people for many years, and SOG still have an uphill battle ahead of them.

Leatherman need to turn things around before the rest of the tool buying public lose faith too, as I don't think they could survive in the marketplace without the current "groupthink"
I've boycotted them. I will continue to use my Wave, PST and Raptor but will not buy another Leatherman product until they clean their act up.

 :salute:

I've not so much boycotted, as drifted. If that's the route they feel is right, then so be it, but don't expect me to follow  :P The biggest frustration for me with them, is that oh so often their concepts are great on paper, but are so lacking in execution.

It's like someone doing the 100m hurdles, who's always ahead of the pack all the way, but then always faceplants at the next to last hurdle. If they always faceplanted at the first hurdle, no biggie, you just cheer on someone else. These guys are different though, they SHOULD be better! They SHOULD succeed! As it is, they get so close to having a winner it's insanely frustrating. I've just gotten numb to it all. There's only so many times you can watch that before you just don't want to see it any more.

Sticking on the 100m hurdles analogy....

Gerber either make it all the way with a reasonable result, faceplant at the first hurdle, or blindly runs off in the wrong direction..... at least it's entertaining to see what they'll do next.

Victorinox put in the same performance each and every time, whether they win or not.

SOG clobber every single hurdle with their genitals for the full 100m. Their legs spread wider than anyone else, they just never aim high enough.

CRKT are too stoned and are wandering off somewhere else looking for munchies....
Agreed. SOG especially has me :facepalm: often, as their designs are SO CLOSE. Take the Powerlock, refine the short tools and make the long tools longer. Bam! Instant MP600/ST300 destroyer. Take the PPP, add gear covers (from a tool they've already made!  Double :facepalm:) take same refined short tools, add them in. BAM! Instant Sidekick/Wingman/Rev killer. Add locks (Pocket PowerLock!). Instant Rebar/MP400 eater. Power Assist is close, just needs to be less fiddly, and make all tools outside accessable (plus the refined inside tools). Paratool needs to be retired.

And SOGs running out of time to make this comeback. Their compound leverage patent is the only thing keeping their multitool division afloat, and it will run out in the next  couple years. Once Leatherman and Gerber jump on it, SOG needs to already be relevant again, or they will fail.

I can see where they might need to worry about Gerber, but that would just be an opportunity for Leatherman to continue the downward spiral


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Re: Style PS scissor spring crapped out again
Reply #32 on: November 29, 2015, 01:56:22 AM
Agreed. SOG especially has me :facepalm: often, as their designs are SO CLOSE. Take the Powerlock, refine the short tools and make the long tools longer. Bam! Instant MP600/ST300 destroyer. Take the PPP, add gear covers (from a tool they've already made!  Double :facepalm:) take same refined short tools, add them in. BAM! Instant Sidekick/Wingman/Rev killer. Add locks (Pocket PowerLock!). Instant Rebar/MP400 eater. Power Assist is close, just needs to be less fiddly, and make all tools outside accessable (plus the refined inside tools). Paratool needs to be retired.

And SOGs running out of time to make this comeback. Their compound leverage patent is the only thing keeping their multitool division afloat, and it will run out in the next  couple years. Once Leatherman and Gerber jump on it, SOG needs to already be relevant again, or they will fail.

Theoretically, this would be FANTASTIC! :tu:

The fly in the ointment, is they appear to have taken the decision to outsource all their multitool production. At present, they don't appear to have learnt how to successfully manage that, particularly in terms of quality control.

I know this might sound counterproductive for what you suggest, but I think they need to do another generation or two of outsourced tools in order to iron out the wrinkles here. If they are doing to formulate a tool which can kick the competition's arse, they need to know 100% that they have got all the mechanisms and logistics and controls in place, so that the "wonder tools" can fully deliver on their promise. Based on current systems, they may have a cracking design, which ultimately is disastrously ruined by poor execution. They'll not be able to rebound from that with the same tool, but if they use another tool design in the interim, they have a better chance of the good tools hitting the market at the right quality level


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Re: Style PS scissor spring crapped out again
Reply #33 on: November 29, 2015, 03:44:17 PM
Truth is I'm not gonna let myself get worked up over Leatherman anymore. I have my MP600 and Powerlock and it really doesn't get much better than that IMHO :cheers: :cheers:
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Re: Style PS scissor spring crapped out again
Reply #34 on: November 29, 2015, 04:59:31 PM
 :cheers:


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Re: Style PS scissor spring crapped out again
Reply #35 on: November 30, 2015, 04:37:25 AM
Agreed. SOG especially has me :facepalm: often, as their designs are SO CLOSE. Take the Powerlock, refine the short tools and make the long tools longer. Bam! Instant MP600/ST300 destroyer. Take the PPP, add gear covers (from a tool they've already made!  Double :facepalm:) take same refined short tools, add them in. BAM! Instant Sidekick/Wingman/Rev killer. Add locks (Pocket PowerLock!). Instant Rebar/MP400 eater. Power Assist is close, just needs to be less fiddly, and make all tools outside accessable (plus the refined inside tools). Paratool needs to be retired.

And SOGs running out of time to make this comeback. Their compound leverage patent is the only thing keeping their multitool division afloat, and it will run out in the next  couple years. Once Leatherman and Gerber jump on it, SOG needs to already be relevant again, or they will fail.

Theoretically, this would be FANTASTIC! :tu:

The fly in the ointment, is they appear to have taken the decision to outsource all their multitool production. At present, they don't appear to have learnt how to successfully manage that, particularly in terms of quality control.

I know this might sound counterproductive for what you suggest, but I think they need to do another generation or two of outsourced tools in order to iron out the wrinkles here. If they are doing to formulate a tool which can kick the competition's arse, they need to know 100% that they have got all the mechanisms and logistics and controls in place, so that the "wonder tools" can fully deliver on their promise. Based on current systems, they may have a cracking design, which ultimately is disastrously ruined by poor execution. They'll not be able to rebound from that with the same tool, but if they use another tool design in the interim, they have a better chance of the good tools hitting the market at the right quality level
Yeah but I wasn't my Pocket PowerLock right now! :rant:
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