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Old knife brought back to life
on: July 05, 2015, 05:21:24 PM
I found this rusty old thing at a flea market.

At first I thought it was a old Mora, and so did the seller. But a few hours in cola and some steel wool later this tekst emerged:

It says: BKnudsen Ilen Trondhjem.
I had never heard of that company before, but thanks to the wonders of internet, I managed to find some info:
It was started by Bård Knudsen a second generation knife maker, in 1892 at Ila in Trondheim, Norway. He was apparently a friend of Erik Frost, the founder of Frosts in Mora, and he sendt his son to Frost to learn.
He came back with new machines and a few former Frosts workers to modernise production. Wich probably explaines why I thought the knife was a Mora.
According to the article I found the quality of BKnudsens knives was not as consistent as Frosts though, and in 1960 or 61 the company closed down. So this knife must be atleast 54 years old...

The tip was broken, so I had to reprofile the blade and drop the point a little.
It took a nice edge.


Now I need to make a sheath for it, and maybe repaint the handle, and it will become a nice user.

Ps. If it looks like it has been sharpened by an idiot, you are quite right ;)






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Re: Old knife brought back to life
Reply #1 on: July 05, 2015, 05:24:56 PM
A nice find, all things considered :tu:
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Re: Old knife brought back to life
Reply #2 on: July 05, 2015, 07:21:22 PM

Quote from: firiki on July 05, 2015, 05:24:56 PM
A nice find, all things considered :tu:

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Re: Old knife brought back to life
Reply #3 on: July 05, 2015, 07:37:08 PM
Nice restoration job and history lesson mate :)

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Reply #4 on: July 05, 2015, 08:06:28 PM

Quote from: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on July 05, 2015, 07:37:08 PM
Nice restoration job and history lesson mate :)

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Thanks! :salute:

Im working on the sheath now. Pics will come tomorrow.


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Reply #5 on: July 05, 2015, 08:10:43 PM
Nice one :)

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Re: Old knife brought back to life
Reply #6 on: July 05, 2015, 11:18:31 PM
Quote from: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on July 05, 2015, 07:37:08 PM
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Re: Old knife brought back to life
Reply #7 on: July 06, 2015, 02:23:17 AM
i love it when folks give new life to old tools and knives.  :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Re: Old knife brought back to life
Reply #8 on: July 06, 2015, 06:08:38 PM

Quote from: Sparky415 on July 05, 2015, 11:18:31 PM
Quote from: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on July 05, 2015, 07:37:08 PM
Nice restoration job and history lesson mate :)

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Quote from: Pacu on July 06, 2015, 02:23:17 AM
i love it when folks give new life to old tools and knives.  :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Re: Old knife brought back to life
Reply #9 on: July 06, 2015, 06:16:43 PM
Quote from: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on July 05, 2015, 07:37:08 PM
Nice restoration job and history lesson mate :)

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Reply #10 on: July 06, 2015, 06:47:03 PM

Quote from: derekmac on July 06, 2015, 06:16:43 PM
Quote from: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on July 05, 2015, 07:37:08 PM
Nice restoration job and history lesson mate :)

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Re: Old knife brought back to life
Reply #11 on: July 06, 2015, 06:51:49 PM
Nice find and nice job!

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Reply #12 on: July 06, 2015, 06:56:45 PM

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Re: Old knife brought back to life
Reply #13 on: July 06, 2015, 07:03:58 PM
How did I miss this!!!  Excellent job Grathr!!! :2tu:

What size is it? It looks like a Classic #2 size. Does it have a full length tang?

That is a wonderful find!!!!!  :cheers:
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Re: Old knife brought back to life
Reply #14 on: July 06, 2015, 07:33:10 PM
Thanks!
Its actually closer to a classic #1.
Here is a pic next to one:


And heres a pic of it in its new sheath:



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Re: Old knife brought back to life
Reply #15 on: July 06, 2015, 07:58:51 PM
Your knife has the old style fat blade that is sooo classic!!!!! :2tu:

Great work on the sheath too! Wish I could sew leather, I have to rivet everything.

Well done sir!!!!! :salute:



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Re: Old knife brought back to life
Reply #16 on: July 06, 2015, 08:15:17 PM

Quote from: SAK Guy on July 06, 2015, 07:58:51 PM
Your knife has the old style fat blade that is sooo classic!!!!! :2tu:

Great work on the sheath too! Wish I could sew leather, I have to rivet everything.

Well done sir!!!!! :salute:

Thanks! :salute:

My leathercrafting skills are poor at best.

And I forgot to answer the other question. The tang goes all the way through and is hammered on the top.


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Re: Old knife brought back to life
Reply #17 on: July 06, 2015, 08:18:22 PM
Nice job on the sheath mate. She's not coming loose in a hurry :)

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Reply #18 on: July 06, 2015, 08:29:21 PM

Quote from: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on July 06, 2015, 08:18:22 PM
Nice job on the sheath mate. She's not coming loose in a hurry :)

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Reply #19 on: July 08, 2015, 09:31:21 AM
excellent work, Grathr! I love restoration projects!! :D
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Reply #20 on: July 08, 2015, 06:53:38 PM

Quote from: Breezy12 on July 08, 2015, 09:31:21 AM
excellent work, Grathr! I love restoration projects!! :D
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Re: Old knife brought back to life
Reply #21 on: July 09, 2015, 06:10:25 AM
That old knife still has a lot of use in it.     :tu:
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gb Offline Sparky415

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Re: Old knife brought back to life
Reply #22 on: July 09, 2015, 06:38:52 AM
Quote from: Breezy12 on July 08, 2015, 09:31:21 AM
excellent work, Grathr! I love restoration projects!! :D

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Re: Old knife brought back to life
Reply #23 on: July 09, 2015, 05:02:53 PM

Quote from: David on July 09, 2015, 06:10:25 AM
That old knife still has a lot of use in it.     :tu:

Thats very true!

Quote from: Sparky415 on July 09, 2015, 06:38:52 AM
Quote from: Breezy12 on July 08, 2015, 09:31:21 AM
excellent work, Grathr! I love restoration projects!! :D

This +1  :salute:

Thanks! :salute:


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00 Offline cool123

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Re: Old knife brought back to life
Reply #24 on: July 10, 2015, 11:57:31 AM
Seems to be quite an old knife.
If I need to pick some good EDC tools.
Then I would take my love leatherman multi tool wave and a flash light. Other are just a waste !!!

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