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Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.

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Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
on: August 18, 2015, 09:57:18 PM
I am not going to say much...but here are some photos for you to compare them to each other.

Both are the same colour. The different shade is due to the angle of the tool as the flash was bounced off the ceiling. Top is the Sidekick, bottom is the Rev. The Wingman and Sidekick are identical to each other except for some of the tools found in each model.






The Sidekick has spring loaded pliers. The Rev does not.



Here we see the top Sidekick with the bottom Rev.





A blade shot.



The tool loud-out is somewhat similar, with the Sidekick featured an outside opening saw that the Rev does not have. For inside tools, the load out is very similar. Here we see the Sidekick on the top and the Rev on the bottom. Note that the ruler markings on the Rev are deeper and somewhat easier to read.



The other side is identical in both tools.



Conclusion:

Here is what I think. The Wingman features the same tools as the Rev with the exception of an added pair of scissors. The Sidekick exchanges the scissors for a saw, and instead of the small package opener, you get a serrated knife plus the carabiner of course. Thus, the Rev features one less outside opening tool compared to the Wingman and Sidekick. The Rev also features a non spring loaded pliers. With the loss of the one larger outside opening tool, you do get a more sculpted ergonomic handle.

Personally, I like the Rev. It is well made for the price point. I was never a big fan of springs in plier joints, so that probably makes me somewhat biased on the Rev over the Wingman and Sidekick. All 3 are good entry level multi-tools however.
« Last Edit: August 18, 2015, 10:06:33 PM by Chako »
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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #1 on: August 18, 2015, 10:34:51 PM
I can't help but see the Rev as a dumbed down tool. The Wingman on the other hand is an extroardinary tool for the money.
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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #2 on: August 18, 2015, 11:21:51 PM
Wingman was the one MT that sucked me into this madness!  :twak:
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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #3 on: August 18, 2015, 11:24:00 PM
It is sawman, without a doubt. I bet they will sell a boatload though, as the bottom tiered tools are the ones that tend to sell very well for a company.

You lose one larger tool, but gain a more comfortable handle shape that is also slimmer. That and the spring was removed from the pliers. Now in my books, that is a good move. All in all, I sort of like the Rev.
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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #4 on: August 19, 2015, 02:41:59 AM
I LOVE the Wingman tool, keep one in my car
For 20-25 bucks (originally, now up around 35) it was easy to get involved in Leathermans and offers many great, useful tools.
One-hand opening blade is great too!

Have a sidekick, but prefer a pair of scissors over a sawblade

Rev does little for me.


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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #5 on: August 19, 2015, 03:41:06 AM

What makes them cheaper to produce? Is it the metal grade, less tolerances, faster to assemble? They do come with LMs 25 year warranty, so not sure what was LMs thought process on these low tier MTs. I have to admit they do have a modern look.



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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #6 on: August 19, 2015, 09:18:13 AM
The mising spring in the plierhead (which I like!) makes it cheaper parts and production wise, then the handles seem to be produced from less parts each, so taht saves, too. The missing saw saves it´s share.

I think apart from trying to make a tool at an even lower pricepoint (Will be interesting what they will cost over here where a Wingman/Sidekick is around 50,- €) it is a try to reach markets that are regulating OHO/locking blades, Germany for example. To be UK leagal, it would have to be a slipjoint blade, though. but maybe they coul make a UK version with scissors instead of the blade?


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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #7 on: August 19, 2015, 12:21:03 PM
The mising spring in the plierhead (which I like!) makes it cheaper parts and production wise, then the handles seem to be produced from less parts each, so taht saves, too. The missing saw saves it´s share.

I think apart from trying to make a tool at an even lower pricepoint (Will be interesting what they will cost over here where a Wingman/Sidekick is around 50,- €) it is a try to reach markets that are regulating OHO/locking blades, Germany for example. To be UK leagal, it would have to be a slipjoint blade, though. but maybe they coul make a UK version with scissors instead of the blade?
The recommended retail price (german UVP) is for the REV 39 Euro, for the Wingman 55 Euro and for the Sidekick (with sheath) 65 Euro.  I prefer the WINGMAN with its scissors. A short comparison in German you can find on LINK REMOVED
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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #8 on: August 19, 2015, 01:53:52 PM

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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #9 on: August 19, 2015, 03:28:32 PM
I'm glad to see there is so much love for the Wingman. I just started EDCing mine again thanks in part to these very type threads :salute:
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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #10 on: August 19, 2015, 05:01:53 PM
+1 for the wingman, cheap and a great tool!


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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #11 on: August 19, 2015, 08:05:55 PM
I'm pro wingman too! It was my first leatherman and I loved it!


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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #12 on: August 20, 2015, 12:26:05 AM
Thanks for the good comparison pictures Chako. :tu:
I guess I´ll have to get one myself to see in the end. I like that it looks so thin as you said.


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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #13 on: August 20, 2015, 12:28:03 AM
Please note that Rev's handles spread wider than its bigger brother due to the different pliers head design.
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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #14 on: August 20, 2015, 01:24:27 AM
Please note that Rev's handles spread wider than its bigger brother due to the different pliers head design.
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Wow, and the Wingman was uncomfortably wide in my hands.  I'll pass.
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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #15 on: August 20, 2015, 02:22:02 AM
Also the retaining strength of Rev's internal tools is much weaker than its bigger brothers.
Because Rev uses its handles its pliers head and internal tools, while SK WM use leaf spring to do so.
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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #16 on: August 20, 2015, 05:05:32 AM
I got a Sidekick and Wingman mainly due to the price.  Since I haven't had any outdoor trips lately, it's the Wingman that's seeing more use lately.  It's the scissors more than anything else. 


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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #17 on: August 20, 2015, 05:29:38 AM

If us MT fanatics find these tools useful just imagine what the casual shopper think of these. Wow, $25 and a made in USA LM... gotta try it. So LM knew what they were doing after all :)


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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #18 on: August 20, 2015, 05:58:55 PM
It looks appealing to me. If Lowes keeps these things around to clearance them out at $5-$10 each, I might snag one.
I knew my wife was a keeper when she transitioned from calling it a knife thingy to a multi-tool.

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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #19 on: August 20, 2015, 07:02:00 PM
A picture to show different angle between Rev & Wave's handles.
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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #20 on: August 20, 2015, 09:04:03 PM
A picture to show different angle between Rev & Wave's handles.
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That's very poor design work in my opinion. I see no logic or benefit in that whatsoever. They really need to work on their ergonomics


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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #21 on: August 20, 2015, 09:21:36 PM
A picture to show different angle between Rev & Wave's handles.
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That's very poor design work in my opinion. I see no logic or benefit in that whatsoever. They really need to work on their ergonomics
I agree. While the Rev's pliers head is very nice, but its handles angle is determined by the pliers head design, I installed Rev's pliers on Sidekick handles, after a couple hours of testing I decide it is no go. The handles spread way too wide to the point the tool became unusable. Now, Leatherman is also using this pliers head in Leap....good luck.
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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #22 on: August 20, 2015, 10:45:25 PM
Couldn't the plier head be ground to let the handles come closer together?
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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #23 on: August 20, 2015, 10:46:50 PM
Couldn't the plier head be ground to let the handles come closer together?
I guess that is the only way, but I also fear if I done that the handles won't retain with pliers in open position. (The retention ram would not align with handles, handle would flap around freely)
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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #24 on: August 20, 2015, 11:02:34 PM
Couldn't the plier head be ground to let the handles come closer together?
I guess that is the only way, but I also fear if I done that the handles won't retain with pliers in open position. (The retention ram would not align with handles, handle would flap around freely)

Can you take it off the handle instead then?


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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #25 on: August 20, 2015, 11:24:28 PM
Couldn't the plier head be ground to let the handles come closer together?
I guess that is the only way, but I also fear if I done that the handles won't retain with pliers in open position. (The retention ram would not align with handles, handle would flap around freely)

Can you take it off the handle instead then?
Makes no different I think
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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #26 on: August 20, 2015, 11:34:22 PM
Couldn't the plier head be ground to let the handles come closer together?
I guess that is the only way, but I also fear if I done that the handles won't retain with pliers in open position. (The retention ram would not align with handles, handle would flap around freely)

Can you take it off the handle instead then?
Makes no different I think

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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #27 on: August 21, 2015, 03:08:04 AM
I never liked the Wingman/Sidekick because of the handle spread. I just picked up a Rev and the spread is greater. Totally useless in my opinion.

I sent a complaint to LM,told them to buy a Vic Spirit x to see what a perfect spread is like. I think with a slight change in the handle dies,they can decrease the span.

Everyone here should also complain to LM. Perhaps they will get the hint and make some changes.


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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #28 on: August 21, 2015, 03:21:46 AM
I never liked the Wingman/Sidekick because of the handle spread. I just picked up a Rev and the spread is greater. Totally useless in my opinion.

I sent a complaint to LM,told them to buy a Vic Spirit x to see what a perfect spread is like. I think with a slight change in the handle dies,they can decrease the span.

Everyone here should also complain to LM. Perhaps they will get the hint and make some changes.

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Re: Leatherman Rev/Sidekick/Wingman.
Reply #29 on: September 27, 2015, 01:41:32 AM
Wingman was the one MT that sucked me into this madness!  :twak:

 I wish Leatherman went in the other direction with the Wingman/Sidekick. I love the size, form factor, spring pliers, and clip. I wish the build quality was better(mostly the plier cutters). For some strange reason when I bought two Sidekicks with the Croc that Home Depot was selling last Christmas, both felt worse than the Wingman. They were not as polished or smooth opening. I don't know if that's down to QC.

 What I'm saying is I rather buy a better Wingman than a Rev.
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