Im also not sold on the whole replaceable cutters thing,ive used my og waves cutters for years with no issues,
plus outside tools on the spirit is a big bonus,for me the rebar will never be as good as the pst
Quote from: Zed on October 02, 2015, 10:49:29 AMIm also not sold on the whole replaceable cutters thing,ive used my og waves cutters for years with no issues,^ Agree.Quoteplus outside tools on the spirit is a big bonus,for me the rebar will never be as good as the pst ^ Disagree. The Rebar is better than the PST in every way except compactness and sentimental value.
I have both. I love them both. Especially since I had scissors added to the rebar. But my rebar lives in my at home box and 9/10 I'm grabbing my spirit. I don't work with oily or greasy hands so for me the spirit is the best. If budget is an issue get the rebar. I must admit that I didn't dream of a spirit. It was on my gift list for my wife. But after having one it has really blown my expectations away. Fit and finish, super light weight, 1,000 times better sheath, and all the tools work!!! The rebar is uncomfortable to use for me, but it does have an actual serrated blade, which is what the spirit lacks. Good luck.
Quote from: Demel on October 02, 2015, 04:49:52 PMI have both. I love them both. Especially since I had scissors added to the rebar. But my rebar lives in my at home box and 9/10 I'm grabbing my spirit. I don't work with oily or greasy hands so for me the spirit is the best. If budget is an issue get the rebar. I must admit that I didn't dream of a spirit. It was on my gift list for my wife. But after having one it has really blown my expectations away. Fit and finish, super light weight, 1,000 times better sheath, and all the tools work!!! The rebar is uncomfortable to use for me, but it does have an actual serrated blade, which is what the spirit lacks. Good luck.the butter blade is serrated
Quote from: Zed on October 02, 2015, 06:38:21 PMQuote from: Demel on October 02, 2015, 04:49:52 PMI have both. I love them both. Especially since I had scissors added to the rebar. But my rebar lives in my at home box and 9/10 I'm grabbing my spirit. I don't work with oily or greasy hands so for me the spirit is the best. If budget is an issue get the rebar. I must admit that I didn't dream of a spirit. It was on my gift list for my wife. But after having one it has really blown my expectations away. Fit and finish, super light weight, 1,000 times better sheath, and all the tools work!!! The rebar is uncomfortable to use for me, but it does have an actual serrated blade, which is what the spirit lacks. Good luck.the butter blade is serrated I have the spirit x, so for me just the regular plain edge. Forgot about the butter blade
Quote from: Smaug on October 02, 2015, 06:30:01 PMQuote from: Zed on October 02, 2015, 10:49:29 AMIm also not sold on the whole replaceable cutters thing,ive used my og waves cutters for years with no issues,^ Agree.Quoteplus outside tools on the spirit is a big bonus,for me the rebar will never be as good as the pst ^ Disagree. The Rebar is better than the PST in every way except compactness and sentimental value.The quality of the steel and finish is superior on the PST.
Quote from: SteveC on October 02, 2015, 06:37:37 PMQuote from: Smaug on October 02, 2015, 06:30:01 PMQuote from: Zed on October 02, 2015, 10:49:29 AMIm also not sold on the whole replaceable cutters thing,ive used my og waves cutters for years with no issues,^ Agree.Quoteplus outside tools on the spirit is a big bonus,for me the rebar will never be as good as the pst ^ Disagree. The Rebar is better than the PST in every way except compactness and sentimental value.The quality of the steel and finish is superior on the PST.That! That exactly! The Rebar lacks the feel even of the Fuse.
Quote from: kirk13 on October 02, 2015, 10:10:24 PMQuote from: SteveC on October 02, 2015, 06:37:37 PMQuote from: Smaug on October 02, 2015, 06:30:01 PMQuote from: Zed on October 02, 2015, 10:49:29 AMIm also not sold on the whole replaceable cutters thing,ive used my og waves cutters for years with no issues,^ Agree.Quoteplus outside tools on the spirit is a big bonus,for me the rebar will never be as good as the pst ^ Disagree. The Rebar is better than the PST in every way except compactness and sentimental value.The quality of the steel and finish is superior on the PST.That! That exactly! The Rebar lacks the feel even of the Fuse.
What is Vic's warranty like?
Quote from: HarleyXJGuy on October 03, 2015, 12:47:08 AMWhat is Vic's warranty like?Lifetime. I have had a bad run in with their customer service and had to go over their head, but the consensus is Vic has a great warranty department.
Quote from: captain spaulding on October 03, 2015, 01:10:22 AMQuote from: HarleyXJGuy on October 03, 2015, 12:47:08 AMWhat is Vic's warranty like?Lifetime. I have had a bad run in with their customer service and had to go over their head, but the consensus is Vic has a great warranty department.This is bad news.
Quote from: HarleyXJGuy on October 03, 2015, 01:25:29 AMQuote from: captain spaulding on October 03, 2015, 01:10:22 AMQuote from: HarleyXJGuy on October 03, 2015, 12:47:08 AMWhat is Vic's warranty like?Lifetime. I have had a bad run in with their customer service and had to go over their head, but the consensus is Vic has a great warranty department.This is bad news.Why is that bad news?
Quote from: captain spaulding on October 03, 2015, 04:35:07 AMQuote from: HarleyXJGuy on October 03, 2015, 01:25:29 AMQuote from: captain spaulding on October 03, 2015, 01:10:22 AMQuote from: HarleyXJGuy on October 03, 2015, 12:47:08 AMWhat is Vic's warranty like?Lifetime. I have had a bad run in with their customer service and had to go over their head, but the consensus is Vic has a great warranty department.This is bad news.Why is that bad news?Was kinda hoping a bad warranty department would be an excuse not to get a Spirit.
Has Leatherman changed their steel over the years? I don't think so. I think they've always used 420HC, just like Buck.The finish on the PST was finer, but not necessarily better. OK, I admit the back of the file doesn't abrade the hand when using the pliers, but that's the only nit I can pick about the Rebar.So saying the PST has better steel and finish than the Rebar is kind of invalid, IMO. I doubt they've messed up their hardening process...You guys are getting all emotional about The Original (PST) on me. I have one, and it is just not that great of an MT, by today's standards. It simply doesn't hold up well to the test of time. There's no shame in that, since if it weren't for the PST, we wouldn't have all the great MTs we have today. The sharp edges against the palm of the hand really impede the ability for the PST to grip anything tightly.Whenever I carry mine and actually need to use an inside tool, I say to myself: "Self? This is a pain in the ass. Why are you putting yourself through this when you have a SPIRIT that is wanting some use? Put it back in the tote, and maybe it'll be worth something some day."
Quote from: HarleyXJGuy on October 03, 2015, 04:54:41 AMQuote from: captain spaulding on October 03, 2015, 04:35:07 AMQuote from: HarleyXJGuy on October 03, 2015, 01:25:29 AMQuote from: captain spaulding on October 03, 2015, 01:10:22 AMQuote from: HarleyXJGuy on October 03, 2015, 12:47:08 AMWhat is Vic's warranty like?Lifetime. I have had a bad run in with their customer service and had to go over their head, but the consensus is Vic has a great warranty department.This is bad news.Why is that bad news?Was kinda hoping a bad warranty department would be an excuse not to get a Spirit.Haha. I fully endorse everyone who loves multitools to at least buy a Spirit and give it a try. It is one of the best multitools on the market so you would be doing yourself a injustice by not giving it a go. If it does not work out you can sell it or have great trade for something else.
Everybody is glossing over the fact that the big weakness of all Victorinox tools (including both Swisstools and SAKs) are the drivers. They are undeniably weak, little better than emergency or occasional-use tools. The steel is too soft, they are just not for hard-use. Driving something other than #1 or #2 Phillips or slotted screws? Forget it with Victorinox (except for maybe the Cybertools). With a Bit Kit and the Removeable Bit Driver (for the Rebar) or the Bit Driver Extender (for the Wave and Surge) you can drive every screw on the planet (except for a few recessed ones and the proper hex bit will let you drive those too). I almost laughed when someone suggested earlier in this thread that using Leatherman's Universal Tool Adapter (no longer in production) on a Spirit can overcome this weakness.
Quote from: WoodMan on October 03, 2015, 07:47:38 PMEverybody is glossing over the fact that the big weakness of all Victorinox tools (including both Swisstools and SAKs) are the drivers. They are undeniably weak, little better than emergency or occasional-use tools. The steel is too soft, they are just not for hard-use. Driving something other than #1 or #2 Phillips or slotted screws? Forget it with Victorinox (except for maybe the Cybertools). With a Bit Kit and the Removeable Bit Driver (for the Rebar) or the Bit Driver Extender (for the Wave and Surge) you can drive every screw on the planet (except for a few recessed ones and the proper hex bit will let you drive those too). I almost laughed when someone suggested earlier in this thread that using Leatherman's Universal Tool Adapter (no longer in production) on a Spirit can overcome this weakness.The counter arguement to this, is the bit wrench supplied with some of the Swisstools, and /or the ratchet supplied with some of the Spirit's. Both are available seperately, and the bit wrench has got me out of a fix a few times by reaching awkward screws that no current Leatherman offering would have accessed.