You'll not regret it mate, it's an excellent piece of kit
Not sure on the prices mate to be honest. I think the cat man had some on EDC Source, so that would be a good comparison. I got mine many years ago with my Swisstool CS Plus (basically a Swisstool X with the lerger sheath, bit set, corkscrew, and mini driver. I'm actually considering selling the Swisstool, but not the accessory parts As for the equivalent ratchet, I don't have the Spirit one, but I have got a Topeak Ratchet Rocket which has come in useful a few times
I wanted to get the vic ratchet but it was too expensive by itself. I got this one instead for 12 bucks (Image removed from quote.)
Quote from: Demel on October 03, 2015, 09:33:39 PMI wanted to get the vic ratchet but it was too expensive by itself. I got this one instead for 12 bucks (Image removed from quote.)ive got a similar ratchet just fancied the kit as i like the way its held together as a kit
Some time ago I had my brother to compare between Swisstool and ST300: http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,59086.0.htmlIt really comes down to how much you want to pay, what do you prefer to feel about your tool.If you are a MT addict and like to play with your MT, (which my brother is not) you should get the Spirit.If you don't care about the MT just want something to get the job done, (like my brother) you should get the Rebar.
Quote from: WoodMan on October 03, 2015, 07:47:38 PMEverybody is glossing over the fact that the big weakness of all Victorinox tools (including both Swisstools and SAKs) are the drivers. They are undeniably weak, little better than emergency or occasional-use tools. The steel is too soft, they are just not for hard-use. Driving something other than #1 or #2 Phillips or slotted screws? Forget it with Victorinox (except for maybe the Cybertools). With a Bit Kit and the Removeable Bit Driver (for the Rebar) or the Bit Driver Extender (for the Wave and Surge) you can drive every screw on the planet (except for a few recessed ones and the proper hex bit will let you drive those too). I almost laughed when someone suggested earlier in this thread that using Leatherman's Universal Tool Adapter (no longer in production) on a Spirit can overcome this weakness.The counter arguement to this, is the bit wrench supplied with some of the Swisstools, and /or the ratchet supplied with some of the Spirit's. Both are available seperately, and the bit wrench has got me out of a fix a few times by reaching awkward screws that no current Leatherman offering would have accessed. Also, the Leatherman bit extensions (some of which are compatible on Vic models BTW) is still limited to the strength of the tool it is used on, unlike the Vic bit wrench
Everybody is glossing over the fact that the big weakness of all Victorinox tools (including both Swisstools and SAKs) are the drivers. They are undeniably weak, little better than emergency or occasional-use tools. The steel is too soft, they are just not for hard-use. Driving something other than #1 or #2 Phillips or slotted screws? Forget it with Victorinox (except for maybe the Cybertools). With a Bit Kit and the Removeable Bit Driver (for the Rebar) or the Bit Driver Extender (for the Wave and Surge) you can drive every screw on the planet (except for a few recessed ones and the proper hex bit will let you drive those too). I almost laughed when someone suggested earlier in this thread that using Leatherman's Universal Tool Adapter (no longer in production) on a Spirit can overcome this weakness.
My interpretation of what my brother's view:More fine motor skill and visual guidance are required when using the swisstool (locate the tool visually, place finger nail on nail nick, some tools have nicks on this side while others have nicks on the other side) comparing to ST300.
Quote from: 50ft-trad on October 03, 2015, 09:09:46 PMQuote from: WoodMan on October 03, 2015, 07:47:38 PMEverybody is glossing over the fact that the big weakness of all Victorinox tools (including both Swisstools and SAKs) are the drivers. They are undeniably weak, little better than emergency or occasional-use tools. The steel is too soft, they are just not for hard-use. Driving something other than #1 or #2 Phillips or slotted screws? Forget it with Victorinox (except for maybe the Cybertools). With a Bit Kit and the Removeable Bit Driver (for the Rebar) or the Bit Driver Extender (for the Wave and Surge) you can drive every screw on the planet (except for a few recessed ones and the proper hex bit will let you drive those too). I almost laughed when someone suggested earlier in this thread that using Leatherman's Universal Tool Adapter (no longer in production) on a Spirit can overcome this weakness.The counter arguement to this, is the bit wrench supplied with some of the Swisstools, and /or the ratchet supplied with some of the Spirit's. Both are available seperately, and the bit wrench has got me out of a fix a few times by reaching awkward screws that no current Leatherman offering would have accessed. Also, the Leatherman bit extensions (some of which are compatible on Vic models BTW) is still limited to the strength of the tool it is used on, unlike the Vic bit wrenchBy the time you load up all that extra Swisstool smurf you might as well be carrying a Chapman 5575, a full set of standard drivers, or a full-size ratchet driver that stores spare bits in the handle. I've got a Surge, both Bit Kit cards, a Bit Driver Extender, and a AAA light in a Skinth XL Shield with room to spare. I've got a way better selection of bits in a smaller package. A Rebar with the same accessories would be even smaller.I'm with Kampfer. If you want something shiny and slippery to play with, get a Spirit (I have two Spirit Xs, by the way). If you need to do real work, get a Rebar (or even better, a Surge).
Anyone have a link to the kitty tool store?
Quote from: HarleyXJGuy on October 03, 2015, 11:05:51 PMAnyone have a link to the kitty tool store?http://www.edcsource.com/store/felinevet-swiss-army-knife-store
Ive snapped even lm's drivers so neither indestructible in my eyes,but then too me a mt or sak is as a back up and never as good as a dedicated tool
Quote from: Zed on October 03, 2015, 08:40:38 PMIve snapped even lm's drivers so neither indestructible in my eyes,but then too me a mt or sak is as a back up and never as good as a dedicated tool @Zed True, but the best tool is the one you have with you
Quote from: Scoon on October 05, 2015, 07:21:24 AMQuote from: Zed on October 03, 2015, 08:40:38 PMIve snapped even lm's drivers so neither indestructible in my eyes,but then too me a mt or sak is as a back up and never as good as a dedicated tool @Zed True, but the best tool is the one you have with you This is said a lot on MTO and is very true
I have another thought on my Spirit vs basically any other MT situation. The Spirit is essentially a SAK in plier based MT form. Now while this could and likely is seen as a good thing, I think it turns me off of it a bit. The Rebar, or most other MTs, feel like a good companion to my MechaRogue (or Rogueneer). However, the Spirit almost makes them feel unnecessary or redundant, and my MechaRogue's not having that Sent from my SM-G920R4 using Tapatalk
Quote from: Monrogue on October 05, 2015, 03:51:09 PMI have another thought on my Spirit vs basically any other MT situation. The Spirit is essentially a SAK in plier based MT form. Now while this could and likely is seen as a good thing, I think it turns me off of it a bit. The Rebar, or most other MTs, feel like a good companion to my MechaRogue (or Rogueneer). However, the Spirit almost makes them feel unnecessary or redundant, and my MechaRogue's not having that Sent from my SM-G920R4 using TapatalkIsn't the MechaRogue supposed to be a stand alone SAK ? I mean certainly its pliers are redundant in combination with any pliers based MT.
Quote from: Monrogue on October 05, 2015, 03:51:09 PMI have another thought on my Spirit vs basically any other MT situation. The Spirit is essentially a SAK in plier based MT form. Now while this could and likely is seen as a good thing, I think it turns me off of it a bit. The Rebar, or most other MTs, feel like a good companion to my MechaRogue (or Rogueneer). However, the Spirit almost makes them feel unnecessary or redundant, and my MechaRogue's not having that Sent from my SM-G920R4 using Tapatalk So basically, the Spirit is too good and detracts from your precious modded SAKs, whereas the Rebar is bad enough to still make the SAKs look good....Interesting logic path you have going there
Quote from: Etherealicer on October 05, 2015, 04:49:52 PMQuote from: Monrogue on October 05, 2015, 03:51:09 PMI have another thought on my Spirit vs basically any other MT situation. The Spirit is essentially a SAK in plier based MT form. Now while this could and likely is seen as a good thing, I think it turns me off of it a bit. The Rebar, or most other MTs, feel like a good companion to my MechaRogue (or Rogueneer). However, the Spirit almost makes them feel unnecessary or redundant, and my MechaRogue's not having that Sent from my SM-G920R4 using TapatalkIsn't the MechaRogue supposed to be a stand alone SAK ? I mean certainly its pliers are redundant in combination with any pliers based MT.Big E my man You are correct as that is how I designed/intended it to be. More for when it is all I can carry, like in gym shorts/pants, or other lighter pants. The SAK pliers are more as beefy tweezers for me. The MT pliers are handy for certain tasks at work mostly, but I enjoy having them just in case. So yes, there is a degree of redundancy regardless of what MT I carry. The Spirit just makes it seem even more so to be the case.Sent from my SM-G920R4 using Tapatalk
Quote from: Monrogue on October 05, 2015, 04:55:08 PMQuote from: Etherealicer on October 05, 2015, 04:49:52 PMQuote from: Monrogue on October 05, 2015, 03:51:09 PMI have another thought on my Spirit vs basically any other MT situation. The Spirit is essentially a SAK in plier based MT form. Now while this could and likely is seen as a good thing, I think it turns me off of it a bit. The Rebar, or most other MTs, feel like a good companion to my MechaRogue (or Rogueneer). However, the Spirit almost makes them feel unnecessary or redundant, and my MechaRogue's not having that Sent from my SM-G920R4 using TapatalkIsn't the MechaRogue supposed to be a stand alone SAK ? I mean certainly its pliers are redundant in combination with any pliers based MT.Big E my man You are correct as that is how I designed/intended it to be. More for when it is all I can carry, like in gym shorts/pants, or other lighter pants. The SAK pliers are more as beefy tweezers for me. The MT pliers are handy for certain tasks at work mostly, but I enjoy having them just in case. So yes, there is a degree of redundancy regardless of what MT I carry. The Spirit just makes it seem even more so to be the case.Sent from my SM-G920R4 using TapatalkGirl: What's that in your pantsMonrogue: Oh, thats my MechaRogueGirl: Cute nameMonorogue: Wanna see it?Girl: Monorogue: But it's so pretty, I have lots of pictures of it on the internet...Girl: (Image removed from quote.)
However, the Spirit almost makes them feel unnecessary or redundant, and my MechaRogue's not having that
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