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es Offline Gio_Luso

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Re: SAK / Swisstool dating and identification resources
Reply #90 on: December 31, 2024, 05:01:08 PM
Zanza, thank you. This job has been a pleasure for me.  :cheers:

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Reply #91 on: June 11, 2025, 01:59:31 PM
     We all love to learn the year our knives were made and often use tool dating to help with that. Unfortunately, we don’t have exact factory documentation about the many changes made to tools, especially in the past, so we constantly have to refine our estimates of when certain tool changes occurred.
    Today I’d like to share some additional facts with you, and I hope you find them helpful.
     For a long time, we dated the transition for 91mm scissors from the old style (mod. 1951) with a single leaf spring to the new V-shaped leaf spring as happening in 1973 (or even 1975). However, in recent years, enthusiasts have found much evidence suggesting that production of the new type of scissors began around 1970. However, there was a large stock of old scissors, and they continued to be used until c.1973.
     Rémi Poupard showed several Champions from his collection with double-spring scissors, a +PAT stamp (which was discontinued in 1971), and a bail (!), supporting this timeline.
      There are several versions of the "new" (V-shaped leaf spring) scissors:
- Transition style scissors (named by Jazzbass) – c.1970–1976 (blunt scissor tips, small spring hole, small screw)
- Modern scissors with screw – 1976–1990 (sharp scissor tips, large spring hole, large screw)
- Modern scissors with screw and ‘guiding-groove' for the new ‘cup end’ spring  - 1990-1991
- Modern scissors with steel rivet – 1991–c.2007
- Modern scissors with bronze-colored rivet made of a nickel-silver alloy - c.2007-now
     A useful dating tip by Jazzbass is the change in shape of the end of the scissor back spring in 1987/88.
What do you think?

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Re: SAK / Swisstool dating and identification resources
Reply #92 on: June 11, 2025, 02:02:00 PM
More pics:

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Reply #93 on: June 11, 2025, 02:03:41 PM
Scissors back spring changes according Jazzbass:

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Reply #94 on: June 11, 2025, 02:46:45 PM
Amazing posts - Thanks JNOX
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Reply #95 on: June 11, 2025, 08:24:01 PM

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Re: SAK / Swisstool dating and identification resources
Reply #96 on: June 12, 2025, 03:54:32 AM
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Re: SAK / Swisstool dating and identification resources
Reply #97 on: June 14, 2025, 12:46:11 AM
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Re: SAK / Swisstool dating and identification resources
Reply #98 on: June 26, 2025, 05:06:30 PM
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Re: SAK / Swisstool dating and identification resources
Reply #99 on: August 31, 2025, 12:49:52 PM
Sorry for the quality, but I made a tool evolution tree. 93mm needs to be computer made but I want someone to review this and add something I might be missing

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Reply #100 on: August 31, 2025, 03:58:21 PM
Hi Adrian,

Welcome (back) to MTo! - These look good
Leaf did something similar to this - See the 91mm model relationships link on the first page
You might want to compare them

I don't think we have a 93mm diagram - Be good to get that one typed up

I have not heard of a 93mm Mountaineer, Jailbreaker, or Ultimate Farmer Duo (that was a club knife - So probably should not feature?  ???)
« Last Edit: August 31, 2025, 04:50:32 PM by Huntsman »
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Re: SAK / Swisstool dating and identification resources
Reply #101 on: September 11, 2025, 07:06:09 PM
Final version of Alox evolution tree. Picture is a low quality preview, not scalable. Download PDF, you can zoom with better graphics.
This chart contains regular production models, retired or discontinued models and Limited Edition models (just tool sets not colors) and two user made custom.

If anyone have a picture of Alox Mountaineer (I'm not sure if it was ever made), please send it to me so I can update this chart.

Also, if you make one, please send me the picture, I need real thing pictures. If you want to make a picture, please use uniform colored background. It is easier to remove background.

I can use Photohop to make a picture of that model but that's not the point. I, and WE, need real data.
I could also put a picture of Electrical Engineer I made myself, but I found nice real picture in blue made for VSAKCS.

There should be also newest Special Pioneer X, but it is not officially released yet. I know, I was talking to VSAKCS guy. Be patient. Look for updates.
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Reply #102 on: September 12, 2025, 02:10:50 AM
Nice useful chart, thanks for doing it Adrian  :like:
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Re: SAK / Swisstool dating and identification resources
Reply #103 on: September 18, 2025, 07:36:59 PM
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SAK? Spartan set. Got to be over 100! Has a shield but.....

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Reply #104 on: September 19, 2025, 04:31:50 AM
Interesting SAK ........ But probably not a SAK    :pok:   ;)
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Reply #105 on: September 26, 2025, 07:01:08 PM
I have heard that Hunts, I spite of the shield.... Noted the crown on the blade?
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Reply #106 on: October 01, 2025, 05:40:10 AM
Are there any other markings anywhere?  It don't think it's a Queen Cutlery tang stamp but I can't tell too well.
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Reply #107 on: October 09, 2025, 11:58:27 PM
UscgSal's SAK-A-Like really grabbed my attention so I went digging to see what I could find.  The scales remind me of a Pradel so it may be French knife.  Other companies copied the cross and shield as well.  If you click on the pictures it'll take you to the links I found concerning them.

      
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