Been doing some work in the Wiki

[enki_ck]

Hi everyone!
Is it possible to push a disc ISO on the wiki?
I do have dd the "Ueli Steck" DVD into an iso file (about 1.5GB)
It may be interesting for the archives?

We can add files, but only the admins have access to that upload. We mostly use it for catalogs though. Something as big as a DVD iso would be too much even if there was no copyright to fear. Server space and bandwidth cost money, lots of it, and we're short of funds as it is.

[m47mu74nt]

We can add files, but only the admins have access to that upload. We mostly use it for catalogs though. Something as big as a DVD iso would be too much even if there was no copyright to fear. Server space and bandwidth cost money, lots of it, and we're short of funds as it is.

Seems legit !
i'll try to scan the paper doc though

[m47mu74nt]

I'll just leave this here so one of the editors could use and make a page. Attached photo is mine and you can use it in SAKWiki (the shield on my knife knife is slightly worn, I think I've seen a photo of a BNIB one with the box on the forum, just can't remember where and who posted it). Enjoy! 
Lumberjack Big
The Lumberjack Big is 2 layer Victorinox model that includes the large blade, combo tool and woodsaw. It is enlarged version of 84mm Lumberjack with added corkscrew at the back. This model was not produced in large numbers and is fairly rare.
Discontinued and relatively rare.
Layer Tools
•   Large Knife Blade
•   Combo Tool - Can-opener/bottle-opener/Screwdriver/Wire stripper
•   Wood saw
Back Layer Tools
•   Corkscrew
•   Keyring/Split-ring attachment point
Scale Tools
•   None
Scales
Cellidor Economy, no toothpick or tweezers, with hot stamped silver Swiss shield logo
Variations
In 2007 SwissBianco made 20pcs of Lumberjack Big with plus scales and phillips instead of corkscrew.
History
Lumberjack Big is a collectors name for this model as it's unknown if an official name was ever given to it. This model was produced only in 1986 as 3.3311
Physical Specifications
•   Length: 91mm
•   Width: 15mm
•   Weight: 64.5g
Identifiers
•   3.3311 Red Cellidor with no toothpick or tweezers, hot-stamped 'Economy' shield.
Related Knives
•   Compact – Scissors instead of woodsaw, with Plus scales, which include the pin; adds the multipurpose hook
•   Camper - Similar features, one layer thicker. Combo tool is replaced by small blade, and separate openers; adds reamer.

nice one !
I also have a 91mm 'Lumberjack', although it would need quite some cleaning !

[Huntsman]

The Great Gallery Reorganisation Project

Hello Playmates / Knights,

Welcome to another TL:DR post from your friendly Wiki editor 
This post will only be of interest to Wiki gallery/image users - Although Wiki editors please read!

Introduction
Who here uses (ie browses) the Wiki galleries?    I know I did not.    From time-to time I have to upload a picture and that was the only time I ever used them.
But here is an interesting statistic
- The galleries in the Wiki get over 600 hits per day and that is the hits to the galleries themselves - Not the hits to the images in the galleries - Which are counted separately.
Or put another way the 91mm main menu page has had about 350k hits, during the life of the Wiki, the 91mm gallery has had 225k hits - ie the galleries are browsed nearly as much as the main pages   
Interesting - eh?   

Gallery Structure
The galleries are organised in a hierarchical family tree structure with four main roots: Victorinox, Victorinox Delemont, Wenger and SwissBuck.
The level below the roots are galleries for the various families of models according to their sizes (length)
The galleries are accessed via the small icons on the right of the size menu box - which is on the right hand side of a Wiki screen on your PC.
Any galleries contained in (ie below) a certain gallery are called sub-galleries. They always appear at the top of the page when viewing a gallery
A gallery page, when displayed contains sixty images!

The Problem / Reason for Change
Anyway, I was looking at the galleries and some were 3,4, or 5 pages long ie contain 180, 240 or 300 images. The Wenger 85mm gallery had 8 pages! Aaargh. 
In addition to this, all the images appeared to be in totally random order (more about that later) !
- For me this is unusable / unmanageable - So I decided something had to be done about it!   

New Sub-galleries
I set about creating new sub-galleries in all the main size galleries to contain groups of images.
To give you a simple example:
The 93mm images were all in one 93mm gallery (apart from the Black Beauty images - for some reason!!) - This gallery stretched over four pages.
So I created new Farmer, Soldier and Pioneer sub-galleries and moved the relevant images into those galleries
- So now the main gallery is just two pages long and is much more manageable. 
All-in-all, there are about fifty new sub-galleries and over 1,000 images have been moved! 
The creation of sub-galleries is always specific to the images in the parent gallery and which new groupings for sub-galleries made sense for that parent gallery
- Check out the galleries - You'll see what I mean
This move seems to have been successful as within a week or so of the move the new galleries had had about 2,000 hits - And now, for instance, the new 111mm sub-galleries alone have had over 2,600 hits!   

New Gallery Access Buttons and New High Level Galleries
Four brand new gallery access buttons have been created - two each for Vic and Wenger - These are for the Series / Catalogues   and the Tools / Tangs galleries.
They can be found in the logical spot on the right-hand menu.
Several new Series sub-galleries have also been created.
I was never sure why we did not have these access points to the galleries in the first place
- So am very happy with that change.   

New Image Sequence in the Galleries
I was looking at two new sub-galleries I had created which really should have been next to each other on the screen and they were not. This was irritating!!   
So I dug into the gallery configuration options and made an amazing discovery........
There are options to set the sequencing of the gallery images - This was set to creation date sequence order.
Ie All the images in the galleries are sequenced by the date they were created - Which, of course, with multiple editors over many years, means the images are in random order.
But guess what? - They can be in alphabetical order, which makes much more sense!!
So now all the images in the galleries are in alpha order -   
- Why they were not like this in the first place is also a mystery! 

New Image Naming
Well everything in the gallery is now in alpha order - But how did this sequencing work out?
Think about an image of a Pioneer:- It could be named Red Alox Pioneer, Pioneer Red Alox, Victorinox Pioneer - Alox - red etc etc - and of course depending on the name it would be in a totally different place in the list.
To be honest we were quite lucky on this - As most images are named Brand Model Feature  or Model Feature - So it did not work out too badly 
However I did rename a few hundred images to fit into the alpha list better

Image Naming Convention
Editors Please Note: - When uploading new images please follow this naming convention:
Brand Model - Feature   eg Victorinox Pioneer - Red Alox
Or, if appropriate...
Follow the naming convention of that particular sub-gallery which may have its own naming convention - eg all VSAKCs images are prefixed with VSACKS YYYY

New Gallery Naming Convention
This is more relevant to the editors
I have created a new gallery naming convention and renamed pretty much all the galleries!! Hopefully this is logical
- eg All Wenger series galleries are all prefixed 'Wenger Series...' eg Wenger Series - United Woods and all size sub-galleries are pre-fixed with 'Brand - Size - .... ' eg V - 84mm - Cadets
 
Effect on the Wiki pages
You will be pleased to hear that all this renaming re-ordering etc etc has absolutely no effect on the Wiki pages 
- As the Wiki pages all work off gallery and image numeric identifiers - Which have not changed!! 

Project for another day
As I mentioned the image sequencing is now not bad in every gallery
- A project for another day might be to go through all the galleries to ensure that they all follow the naming convention above. 

Instructions for editors uploading images
When uploading images please all make sure you load the images to the correct (new) gallery or sub-gallery.
I would suggest this sequence:

• Is the image of a tool, catalogue page or member of a series?
  
• If so go to the corresponding gallery (via the gallery buttons) and find the appropriate sub-gallery
  
• If not 1 - Check the size of the model
  
• Go to the corresponding gallery for that size
  
• Is the image/SAK a special edition or model in that size for which a sub-gallery exists for that group?
  
• If so put the image in the appropriate/corresponding sub-gallery
  
• If not put the image in the main size gallery - In this case it should be just a regular model for that size !!
  
• If this has not worked - It may mean you need a new gallery - If so please contact me and we can resolve - I think only admins can create new galleries 
  

Of course in all instances follow the naming convention above


Wrap Up
I hope, and certainly believe that, these changes will make the galleries much more user friendly for our Wiki users !!
As I mentioned above rather than reading all this waffle...
- Check out the galleries - You'll see how it all works / looks

[BClogic]

if its only SAKwiki we are talking about hits on.....I know some of those 600 hits may have been me 1-5 times per day in the past few months

[Huntsman]

In for the updates...took some errors and digging to figure out the image gallery structure.

Hope the above helps KK

[enki_ck]

You've been busy, ha?

Good job on the reorganisation

Did you also move the parent gallery out of the file galleries? Or are we leaving that to Whoey?

[Nick4]

  Great job, Sir Huntsman! 

[Mechanickal]

Good job!!

I seem to have been slacking lately

[comis]

With great help from Huntsman and enki_ck , the page for Chinese Zodiac Series 58mm is up, also added info to Classic page for reference.

[m47mu74nt]

 

We can add files, but only the admins have access to that upload. We mostly use it for catalogs though. Something as big as a DVD iso would be too much even if there was no copyright to fear. Server space and bandwidth cost money, lots of it, and we're short of funds as it is.

Seems legit !
i'll try to scan the paper doc though

I did take the time to scan the paper leaflet (as pdf), do you want it ?
it is 3.7MB

[Huntsman]

^^^  Sure - That's really kind of you - Thank you - PM coming

@Comis - Thanks so much for this - Fantastic addition to the Wiki - I never even knew about those
The series is a very nice companion for the 91mm series - And great designs

@enki, Nick4, Mechanickal  - Thanks lads - I think/hope it's a big improvement

@enki - PM inbound re file galleries 

[xfile]

Now there's a question that confuses me,I found a 58mm SAK recently。But I don't know its model. I've never seen any SAK like it，Obviously, it must have been customized by a Swiss food company。I want to include it in SAKWiki, but I don't know if I should create a page for it, or if it should belong to a certain model.If I didn't express my meaning clearly, please forgive my translation software, thank you！

[LeaF]

Now there's a question that confuses me,I found a 58mm SAK recently。But I don't know its model. I've never seen any SAK like it

I've asked Victorinox about this 'unusual' model (and several ones by the way) few months before.
Accordingly to their answer:

This was a special production for a customer in 2017. At this is really a special production, the knife does not have an article number. The knife has got a blade with a round tip and it includes also a little fork.

[Aloha]

  to all of you hard working SAKWIKI peeps.  Its one heck of a project/labor of love.  Round of cheers to you all.   

[Huntsman]

Thanks Aloha - I'll have a Becks please   

Re the 58mm - Very interesting
I don't think it should have its own page - especially as it is a custom with no model number.
But if we add it as a variation where do we put it ?  - It's such an unusual configuration.

The 'little fork' (Thanks LeaF  ) for sure has been known as the divot tool from the golf models .....
Variation of the Caddy?      But that blade is very unusual ... and no scissors!

It's surprising, for me, that they even made it - As it must have required new tooling in the factory
- Has anyone seen a rounded 58mm blade before?   

Or maybe we create a new page (by length) for all custom builds we find

Thoughts   

Anyway thanks very much xfile and LeaF for the info on this

[xfile]

I've asked Victorinox about this 'unusual' model (and several ones by the way) few months before.
Accordingly to their answer:

Thank you very much, Leaf！I learned new knowledge, but I don't understand the meaning of customization. 58mm round head knife is the first time I saw it. I don't know what work it will be used for. Anyway, the combination of round head blade and golf tool is really strange.

[xfile]

Thanks Aloha - I'll have a Becks please   

Re the 58mm - Very interesting
I don't think it should have its own page - especially as it is a custom with no model number.
But if we add it as a variation where do we put it ?  - It's such an unusual configuration.

The 'little fork' (Thanks LeaF  ) for sure has been known as the divot tool from the golf models .....
Variation of the Caddy?      But that blade is very unusual ... and no scissors!

It's surprising, for me, that they even made it - As it must have required new tooling in the factory
- Has anyone seen a rounded 58mm blade before?   

Or maybe we create a new page (by length) for all custom builds we find

Thoughts   

Anyway thanks very much xfile and LeaF for the info on this

OK, I wonder if this SAK should be included in the Escort model,I think they are similar in terms of thickness and form.

[Ike582]

It's surprising, for me, that they even made it - As it must have required new tooling in the factory
- Has anyone seen a rounded 58mm blade before?   

That blade reminds me of the Victorinox Duke of Edinburgh Pocket Tool.

[ddogu]

Thanks Aloha - I'll have a Becks please   

Re the 58mm - Very interesting
I don't think it should have its own page - especially as it is a custom with no model number.
But if we add it as a variation where do we put it ?  - It's such an unusual configuration.

The 'little fork' (Thanks LeaF  ) for sure has been known as the divot tool from the golf models .....

The divot tool in the golf models seem to have a much wider fork, not the same tool:



So that little fork probably has been developed for this special customer only?

[LeaF]

Divot tools also was available within other form-factors, including 91 and 58mm models as well


https://leaf-vics.com/topics/tools/other-tools/tool-divot-tool

[ddogu]

Divot tools also was available within other form-factors, including 91 and 58mm models as well


https://leaf-vics.com/topics/tools/other-tools/tool-divot-tool

oh...   

[FiL Wisneski]

I was wondering today whether the 84mm and 91mm combo tools were identical, and the combo tool page on wiki gives conflicting accounts.
 see bolded text below:

84/91mm Combo Tool- This tool typically replaces the Cap Lifter and Can Opener tools on some knives. The tool incorporates a flat head screwdriver, can opener, cap-lifter (bottle opener), and wire stripper. This tool is noticeably thinner than its Can Opener and Cap Lifter cousins, measuring only 1.44mm in width at the tang. The tool is identical on both 84 and 91mm knives. The earliest versions of the tool did not have a "Half-Stop" to allow the tool to catch for use in the 90 degree position. The tool was officially introduced in 1982 [this date is in question, 1980 seems closer] on 84mm models, and in 1986 on 91mm models. While they look very similar, the 84mm and 91mm combo tools are not the exactly the same. However, an 84mm combo tool will fit in a 91mm SAK, although it sits a little low in the frame, and will need to be drilled out to fit the larger pins.

  - FiL

[Sawl Goodman]

I'll just leave this here so one of the editors could use and make a page. Attached photo is mine and you can use it in SAKWiki (the shield on my knife knife is slightly worn, I think I've seen a photo of a BNIB one with the box on the forum, just can't remember where and who posted it). Enjoy! 
Lumberjack Big
The Lumberjack Big is 2 layer Victorinox model that includes the large blade, combo tool and woodsaw. It is enlarged version of 84mm Lumberjack with added corkscrew at the back. This model was not produced in large numbers and is fairly rare.
Discontinued and relatively rare.
Layer Tools
•   Large Knife Blade
•   Combo Tool - Can-opener/bottle-opener/Screwdriver/Wire stripper
•   Wood saw
Back Layer Tools
•   Corkscrew
•   Keyring/Split-ring attachment point
Scale Tools
•   None
Scales
Cellidor Economy, no toothpick or tweezers, with hot stamped silver Swiss shield logo
Variations
In 2007 SwissBianco made 20pcs of Lumberjack Big with plus scales and phillips instead of corkscrew.
History
Lumberjack Big is a collectors name for this model as it's unknown if an official name was ever given to it. This model was produced only in 1986 as 3.3311
Physical Specifications
•   Length: 91mm
•   Width: 15mm
•   Weight: 64.5g
Identifiers
•   3.3311 Red Cellidor with no toothpick or tweezers, hot-stamped 'Economy' shield.
Related Knives
•   Compact – Scissors instead of woodsaw, with Plus scales, which include the pin; adds the multipurpose hook
•   Camper - Similar features, one layer thicker. Combo tool is replaced by small blade, and separate openers; adds reamer.

Nicely written. Under related knives I’d add the 85 mm Wenger Basic 66 - it has the same toolset.

Attn: wiki editors. I see an entry hasn’t been made for the Lumberjack Big/91 mm yet - why not? 

[Reinier]

Huntsman: I see several pages with missing images. I thought your changes regarding the gallery structure would have no effect on wiki pages.

[Reinier]

Probably some other reason. But all links are dead.

[enki_ck]

Probably some other reason. But all links are dead.

Yup, all links, all images, all galleries, .... It's been like that since yeaterday. I didn't do it si I don't know where to start fixing it, and I haven't gotten any reply to it backstage so I wait. Blindly flipping switches before knowing what happened might make things worse, not better.

In any case, the pics are still there, i found multiple copies of them, we probably just don't have permissions to see them, not even admins. If it's a really big booboo, we can roll back to an older version.

[Reinier]

Image galleries have been deprecated for a while. Maybe show_image.php simply does not exist anymore

Also, browsing the file galleries results in all kinds of errors.

[enki_ck]

All fixed now. If you encounter any more errors, please report them to some of the staff.

[Reinier]

Not for me though.
Let me know if I can be of any help.