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Been doing some work in the Wiki 34183

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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #660 on: January 07, 2021, 10:00:42 AM »
Hello,
I don't know if it would help for datation  or if there is enough data already, but here is one oldie I got by me that may give some more hints on the tools and markings that could exist at the same era :



Tang stamps :
- small V VSSR,
- Victoria Officier Suisse with crossbow

Scales :
- full cellidor scales
- 'gold colored' shield (nickel silver?)
- bail

Tools :
- small clip point blade
- 29 teeth saw,
- backside Philips with square shank and file
- can opener with +PAT
- cap lifter with wire bender, and (I'm not sure) "weak stripper", e.g. not the kind I usually see on 93mm

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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #661 on: January 08, 2021, 10:33:33 AM »
We have received a couple of nice images of the Christmas series from Marcos of the VicSpain youtube channel and updates on the released quantities.
Maybe add a photo with the number of knives released below the table?

Thanks Marcos
:iagree: :tu: :hatsoff:
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #662 on: January 12, 2021, 02:32:06 PM »
A few (more) things about SwissCards... We all know those were patented in 1996 and introduced in 1997, but did you know that the very first SwissCards had different product numbers and inscription “7 Features  - 10 Functions“ inside the box just above the Card?
Some of the product numbers from very first SCs:
4.3407 Grey with red blade handle (and sliding door)
4.3407.6R Light Gray with red blade handle and sliding door
4.3437R Grey with black blade handle and sliding door
4.3437.3 All Black
Later, inscription was changed to “10 Functions“ and product numbers were changed to those that are still used today.
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #663 on: January 14, 2021, 03:34:42 AM »
Thanks Nele - Great detective/investigation work.

And ........... it's in
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=SwissCard
- Please check it out to see that it is all OK - I got both the pictures in too - But via hyperlinks.
Why is the Wiki never finished?    ???    :twak:     ....  And why do these updates always turn into projects?    :pok:    :o     :dunno:
So it turns out we did not have any model numbers at all in the Wiki - So they are there now - Was not sure about the formatting for these - So see if you like it folks    ???

Also spotted a couple of interesting anomalies on the Victrinox side:

In the Vic numbering convention the main four digits always represent the toolset and the last numbers after the full stop - The colour/scale material etc
But Vic has not followed this convention for the SwissCard .......  Well not for the Classic or Lite   ........ But they did for the Nailcare   
..........  What is going on Victorinox?   ???    :think:

Also hilariously the SwissCard is described as having 10 functions - on their website:
https://www.victorinox.com/global/en/Products/Swiss-Army-Knives/SwissCards/Swiss-Card-Classic/p/0.7100.T
But in the list on their website (which is reflected in the Wiki) there are only nine!
Note: In the Wiki list the protractor is no longer there and the sd tip is the 9th tool/function - Note the protractor was not there in the first models!! - So still 9!!

BTW This discrepancy is also there for the SwissChamp last time I checked!! 
One again I say:   "What is going on Victorinox?"   ???    :think:
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #664 on: January 14, 2021, 04:30:18 AM »
Oh I think I might have cracked one of them!!

Ruler cm and Ruler inches = Two functions
Might also explain the SC anomaly!

I do think that is pushing it a bit tho' - A ruler is a ruler - Right?  ???
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Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #665 on: January 14, 2021, 04:52:34 AM »
Oh I think I might have cracked one of them!!

Ruler cm and Ruler inches = Two functions
Might also explain the SC anomaly!

I do think that is pushing it a bit tho' - A ruler is a ruler - Right?  ???
Yep! That’s definitely pushing it H…wait there’s more, if you ring in the next 20 minutes get metric and imperial for the price of one :)
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #666 on: January 14, 2021, 10:53:13 AM »
Hello,
I don't know if it would help for datation  or if there is enough data already, but here is one oldie I got by me that may give some more hints on the tools and markings that could exist at the same era :

Thanks for this m47 - I think this info would go down well in the Vintage SAKs thread ........
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #667 on: January 14, 2021, 04:13:30 PM »
IMO Victorinox never in all their years thought there would be a site dedicated to documenting their products.  I have always wondered if anyone at Victorinox has such a detailed accounting?  Do they even have records or do they refer to the WIKI?  ;)

Esse Quam Videri
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #668 on: January 14, 2021, 09:58:07 PM »
Hmm Interesting thoughts Aloha!

I think they do keep records and in their museum there is some interesting history displays - eg all the Soldier model progressions
They also produce documents from time to time
- One is in the  Identification and dating thread at the bottom of the first post - Another in the dating your SAK via tool evolution thread (first post)
Although in the latter document we know there are some mistakes :o  (eg when external rivets disappeared)
- JazzBass and co have some strong evidence of the actual date, which has been discussed here!!

I often wonder whether they ever come to SAKWiki!! For sure I agree they probably never thought there would be such a site
I do know editors in the past have sent queries to Vic and they have replied
- And they do know all about their crazy fans and collectors - As they mention them from time to time - eg The photo competition a few years ago
- And of course bring out collectors models, so that we can give Vic more of our money!!
« Last Edit: January 14, 2021, 10:24:00 PM by Huntsman »
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #669 on: January 19, 2021, 05:25:35 PM »
Oh I think I might have cracked one of them!!

Ruler cm and Ruler inches = Two functions
Might also explain the SC anomaly!

I do think that is pushing it a bit tho' - A ruler is a ruler - Right?  ???

They definitely count those as two tools/functions, here's the list of tools from Fisherman's page...  :D
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #670 on: January 19, 2021, 05:30:56 PM »
They definitely count those as two tools/functions, here's the list of tools from Fisherman's page...  :D
You're absolutely correct.

Sorry for poor quality of the picture
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #671 on: January 19, 2021, 05:32:29 PM »
I had a discussion about it with LeaF a while back. I think they are being silly double counting the ruler.

I just added some info about the coloured implements that have been introduced recently :tu:

You should seriously visit vicfan.com. All the hoopy froods are doing it.
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #672 on: January 19, 2021, 05:33:01 PM »
Oh there he is. Hi Alex  :hatsoff:

You should seriously visit vicfan.com. All the hoopy froods are doing it.
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #673 on: January 19, 2021, 05:37:32 PM »
Oh there he is. Hi Alex  :hatsoff:


Suddenly?  ;)
Hi Reinier!  :cheers:
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #674 on: January 20, 2021, 12:08:28 AM »
There have been many discussions around the changed Annual Alox models

Anyway we said that, once they were on the Vic website, we'd update the Wiki - And they are - So we did  :tu: 
One interesting observation - If the numbering convention continues - Next year's Classic will be 0.6221.L22
However if you look at teh Wiki Classic page - You'll see ther already was a 0.6221.L22 and a few subsequent numbers
Hmmm  :think:   Interesting - I wonder what they'll do  ???

Thanks for the coloured updates Reinier - And the confirmation of my query/theory LeaF/NeleDo    :salute:
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #675 on: January 20, 2021, 08:28:53 AM »
There have been many discussions around the changed Annual Alox models

Anyway we said that, once they were on the Vic website, we'd update the Wiki - And they are - So we did  :tu: 
It looks great!  :tu:  :like:
One interesting observation - If the numbering convention continues - Next year's Classic will be 0.6221.L22
However if you look at teh Wiki Classic page - You'll see ther already was a 0.6221.L22 and a few subsequent numbers
Hmmm  :think:   Interesting - I wonder what they'll do  ???
Perhaps they will add a suffix? For example 22LE?
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #676 on: January 20, 2021, 12:33:10 PM »
Thanks Nick - Yeah - Not bad ? ;)

If they keep swapping the models round in this series the page could get a bit interesting/challenging.

Perhaps they will add a suffix? For example 22LE?

Yeah - Good idea that would work - Although the time to have started that would have been this year with the change in models   ;)    ;o

I was thinking they might (unknowingly) go for a duplicate model number - As that old Classic special could be from years ago in a single market etc etc

 
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #677 on: January 20, 2021, 12:44:02 PM »
It looks great!  :tu:  :like:Perhaps they will add a suffix? For example 22LE?
Previously used number is 0.6221.L22 (we all know the number before the dot refers to number of "other tools", in this case 1 means KR only). Next year's Classic LEs would be 0.6223.L22(immediately followed by 01-10), so there shouldn't be any PN overlapping.  :cheers:
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #678 on: January 20, 2021, 01:04:58 PM »
Hey Nele -
I thought you might have solved it
However we are talking about the Alox LEs - Not the crowd designed picture Classic LEs
So I think we do have a clash!
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #679 on: January 21, 2021, 12:00:37 AM »
Hi Team,

I had a look at the Victorinox Company page and thought it needed a bit of work - So have knocked up an updated version and put it here for your review
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Vic+new+temp

Changes are:
  • Page reformat*
  • History section expanded
  • General Company Information section renamed (it was not this)
  • Added some highlighting
  • A few 'error' corrections

There is a link to the original page - So you can compare
What do you think? - Shall we update the page?

* One feature that seemed to be pretty common in many Wiki pages, was putting an image next to areas of high density text - This was the case here.
I moved the piccie into 'white space' on the page - Which I think makes the whole page a lot neater, compact and easy to use!
I also compressed the voulmes table and took out an ugly box!
« Last Edit: January 21, 2021, 02:36:19 AM by Huntsman »
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #680 on: January 21, 2021, 08:37:21 AM »
What do you think? - Shall we update the page?
The page looks better in my opinion. :tu:

Only in the browser Firefox 84.0.2 the text and picture are displaced, leaving an empty space.
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #681 on: January 21, 2021, 08:39:00 AM »
I made a few small changes to that page yesterday and thought it actually needed a proper update. So thank you Huntsman :tu:

You should seriously visit vicfan.com. All the hoopy froods are doing it.
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #682 on: January 21, 2021, 09:06:58 AM »
Thanks lads

Nick - I adjusted the table and image size - Does that work better now?
« Last Edit: January 21, 2021, 10:12:36 AM by Huntsman »
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #683 on: January 21, 2021, 09:57:22 AM »
Nick - I adjusted the table and image sign - Does that work better now?
Yes, it works better now.  :tu:
Thank you very much!  :like:

(Tested with Firefox, MS Edge, Pale Moon, Opera and Chrome.)
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #684 on: January 21, 2021, 07:03:52 PM »
I got an email today from MexSAK, he mentions some errors he noticed on the SAKwiki but I have no specifics except this list. He's already a member here so I invited him to share what he thinks here with us.
Here's his list so far...

Quote
As a few examples:
1. I have seen an extra version of pliers for 91mm SAKs (I have pics)
2. Your page about the "Automobile" does not mention that that knife came with or without a key ring.
3. There is a later version of the 84mm Huntsman Small (c. 1962-1968).
4. There is a version of the Victorinox Passenger SAK without toothpick and tweezers.

I'm guessing the #4 is referring to an Economy model?

Thoughts?
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #685 on: January 22, 2021, 10:55:19 PM »
Sincere thanks to everyone who has contributed to the Wiki.  :hatsoff:
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #686 on: January 22, 2021, 11:15:10 PM »
Many thanks Couillon
We appreciate the appreciation !!!   :D    :salute:

@ enki and MexSAK - These all sound like genuine features/updates - I will check out the relevant pages
If you have a few updates MexSAK you could become an editor - Or we can make the changes - Let us know
If you have photos please post hem here or PM me for an email address - Another version of the pliers sounds very interesting

Re the Victorinox page I transferred the new temp page to the old one - So that is updated now
I noticed that the table and image overlap problem happened on an ipad screen - So I switched the contact info and generations image over
I thought I preferred the image on the right - And it looked fine on Chrome and Windows - But this new format is growing on me - It means the image at the bottom can be nice and large
Feel free to adjust it any editors

Nick you discovered a shocker of a page with the Wenger LH tools page  >:D  - I had to attack that page  :whistle:
Proposed new structure here - With link to the old page at the bottom -
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=LH+temp
I think this one is a bit of a no-brainer    ;)    :tu:
I also updated the Identifiers section to the new format - I need to - and will - put a detailed post here about these changes shortly

One interesting observation about this temp LH page - It's had over 50 hits already -  :o   And it's not in the menu structure and allegedly no-one knew about it apart from me!
I guess that is the way of teh internet
Although probably  20 of them were me ducking in and out of the page    :o
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #687 on: January 22, 2021, 11:50:32 PM »
Hmmmm - Pretty sure I have discovered a mistake in the LH page

The first model in the set is listed as being a LH Viking - But I reckon it is a LH Commander as it has the nail-file not the small blade
I checked the config in the catalogue page and it does have the NF - So it is a Commander not a Viking - Right ?   ???

We can correct it if you agree - Unfortunately we wont be able to correct the text on the image - But we can just make a note by the model name in the list
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #688 on: January 23, 2021, 06:22:21 AM »
So it is a Commander not a Viking - Right ?   ???

No, left!

You should seriously visit vicfan.com. All the hoopy froods are doing it.
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Re: Been doing some work in the Wiki
« Reply #689 on: January 23, 2021, 06:32:33 AM »

 :rofl:

Touché my friend

 

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