Fake Victorinox 91 mm

[classicrock]

Well I've seen fake Rescue Tools, fake 91 mm SAK with star logo on it. But today one of a good seller here in Indonesia show me something that I've never seen before. She post several comparison pictures to our SAK group. Of course it's easy for us SAK lovers to spot which one is the fake one. But for those not familiar with SAK please be careful, because the tang stamps says Victorinox. So beware, I think someone is trying to make a super copy of 91 mm SAK 

 

[Subterranean]

That is the closest copy of the SAK I've ever seen. Definitely made to trick someone into thinking they are buying the original SAK.

This forgery is actually worrying. Someone should e-mail this to Victorinox.

[ReamerPunch]

It's scary how good the copy is. I don't think I'd be able to tell it was a fake without comparing it in hand with an original.

[PTRSAK]

That is a VERY good copy, cosmetically anyway. 

I wonder how the quality of the steel compares and the construction..

[Everdying]

my noob eyes can't tell which is the fake... any guide?

[JamesJ]

Yeah that is the closest I've seen. The bottle cap lofter looks a little rounded on the edges, but not nearly as much as the really crappy fakes.

Is the logo just painted on the scale or is that an inlay?

[jaya_man]

Nail nick positions are awkward... tang stamping looks cheap


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[jerseydevil]

Wow, that is VERY close. Someone took care to get that sucker as right as they could......

[sLaughterMed]

Wow what a good copy. Thats a little worrying to be honest. Other than the cap lifter being a little "rounder", having too large of a sewing eye in the awl, and the toothpick (i love Vic toothpicks, that one just looks "wrong" to me) it looks identical. I'm not sure I would have caught this as a fake either, especially in a second hand setting (which is how I acquire most of my tools). I couldn't tell which was which in most of those pictures.

my noob eyes can't tell which is the fake... any guide?

The dirty one is the real SAK, the new looking one is the fake.

[metasyntax]

Very close indeed! Thank you for this comparison, it's valuable information.

[batex]

I would never be able to tell that's a fake. How do we know for certain it's just not two real SAKs made years apart?

[shibafu]

The final bevel grinds on the blades are too wide, is the thing that stands out to me.  Something that could happen after years of sharpening, but then the blade shape would be different.

[metasyntax]

I would never be able to tell that's a fake. How do we know for certain it's just not two real SAKs made years apart?

I wondered about that as well. I thought I saw at one time that the awl eye size had changed. But I can't find it now, or maybe that was for Wenger. The "SWISSMADE" tang stamp (no space between the words) gives me pause. The rest I could see chalking up to tool changes. Hopefully someone else can give a little more info.

[classicrock]

I think Victorinox should know about this. Because they always said that we must look at the tang stamp to make sure. And now the counterfeit product were so close.

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[classicrock]

I would never be able to tell that's a fake. How do we know for certain it's just not two real SAKs made years apart?

For me it's the color of the steel, the nailnick and too much round edges on each tool.

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[PTRSAK]

The fake is not as 'crisp' in the details. Parts have been tumble polished too long. 

[shibafu]

The fake is not as 'crisp' in the details. Parts have been tumble polished too long.

Yes and the polishing has been done after cutting the nail nicks instead of before.  A genuine Vic has a sharp, unpolished nick.

What's even more alarming is that most of these differences we've identified could be easily fixed.  The next version might be even closer.

In the second-to-last picture it appears that the fake is slightly larger.  Is that accurate, or just perspective?

[lichan]

The things that jumped out to me were the width of the blade grinds, the totally different awl and the knife is too thick because of some spacers added next to the central liner but only because we have a genuine one side by side to compare it to. Only the awl looks odd enough that it might stand out on its own. By itself, in a shop case, I would be totally fooled.

[dks]

I remember these being sold In an online site a couple of years ago. I think there was some discussion at the time. I do not know if they are still being sold or if this is an old one.
There are some obvious clues, if you are comparing it with a genuine one, but on its own it will not be so easy to realise that it is a fake.

[firiki]

I blame SWIZA, the knife maker

[pfrsantos]

Shorter CS, uneven nail nicks, bad hole positioning in the reamer, key ring hole size, blade shape (less rounded). But like most said, at first glance, without my EDC by its side to compare, easy to get fooled by it.

 

[wonderwolf]

WOW, the saw teeth didn't look right to me which was the first give away.

The other thing was something I think I learned from the  "SAK owners manual"...the swiss can't bend steel very well...they send it to japan to have made iirc? Anyways the corkscrew shaft and details are way off.  at least to me. The T&T I wouldn't give much credit since those are easy to obtain and install as needed


The fact somebody is going through the trouble to make proprietary sized scales.....yeah somebody is putting a lot of effort to rip people off lol.

To be honest though if I picked the fake up at a flea market I would have spent a long time going over it as it would just feel "OFF"...but in the end I probably would have picked it up if it was something like $10 or whatever.

[SAK Guy]

I blame SWIZA, the knife maker

I'm with you pal!!! 

[TonySal]

I blame SWIZA, the knife maker

may I repeat - SWIZA NEVER

I'm with you pal!!! 

[WoodsDuck]

WOW, the saw teeth didn't look right to me which was the first give away.

The other thing was something I think I learned from the  "SAK owners manual"...the swiss can't bend steel very well...they send it to japan to have made iirc? Anyways the corkscrew shaft and details are way off.  at least to me. The T&T I wouldn't give much credit since those are easy to obtain and install as needed


The fact somebody is going through the trouble to make proprietary sized scales.....yeah somebody is putting a lot of effort to rip people off lol.

To be honest though if I picked the fake up at a flea market I would have spent a long time going over it as it would just feel "OFF"...but in the end I probably would have picked it up if it was something like $10 or whatever.

You can get a legit used SAK for $10, so you'd still be getting ripped off.
Also, if I remember correctly, the corkscrews come from France.

[TonySal]

WOW, the saw teeth didn't look right to me which was the first give away.

The other thing was something I think I learned from the  "SAK owners manual"...the swiss can't bend steel very well...they send it to japan to have made iirc? Anyways the corkscrew shaft and details are way off.  at least to me. The T&T I wouldn't give much credit since those are easy to obtain and install as needed


The fact somebody is going through the trouble to make proprietary sized scales.....yeah somebody is putting a lot of effort to rip people off lol.

To be honest though if I picked the fake up at a flea market I would have spent a long time going over it as it would just feel "OFF"...but in the end I probably would have picked it up if it was something like $10 or whatever.

You can get a legit used SAK for $10, so you'd still be getting ripped off.
Also, if I remember correctly, the corkscrews come from France.

Theres a great one on the Tube- looks good. Parts just snap. Lololol

[wonderwolf]

WOW, the saw teeth didn't look right to me which was the first give away.

The other thing was something I think I learned from the  "SAK owners manual"...the swiss can't bend steel very well...they send it to japan to have made iirc? Anyways the corkscrew shaft and details are way off.  at least to me. The T&T I wouldn't give much credit since those are easy to obtain and install as needed


The fact somebody is going through the trouble to make proprietary sized scales.....yeah somebody is putting a lot of effort to rip people off lol.

To be honest though if I picked the fake up at a flea market I would have spent a long time going over it as it would just feel "OFF"...but in the end I probably would have picked it up if it was something like $10 or whatever.

You can get a legit used SAK for $10, so you'd still be getting ripped off.
Also, if I remember correctly, the corkscrews come from France.

Yes, my point though was that if I didn't have another 91mm on hand to compare it to and that was the price I would have still probably picked it up and kicked myself later when I got home to compare.  I've been buying the huge lots of TSA knives though so the likely hood I would actually do that is slim however if I didn't have a goodly supply at home and was looking..... 

Also thank you for correcting me on the corkscrew it has been sometime since I've read that book.

[Grass]

I'm only seeing the awl amd weird nail nicks; though I'd like to think that our sak-fanaticism would mean the feel/movement/snap/quality differences would be obvious if we had it in our hands... :/