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Serated vs non?

us Offline gene stoner

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Serated vs non?
on: October 19, 2016, 08:53:17 PM
I've been looking for any testing between 111mm serrated vs non serrated. I would like to see testing where both blade's are tested head to head in a variety different media. I've looked here and Googled it and have found nothing. Anyone out there ever see a test like this or done it yourself? I'm thinking if nothing exists maby I should start my own tesing here?
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Re: Serated vs non?
Reply #1 on: October 19, 2016, 09:00:29 PM
Start your own anyway Gene  :pok: It would be fun to see the results.  :salute:
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Re: Serated vs non?
Reply #2 on: October 19, 2016, 09:01:56 PM
There's an abundance of comparisons on the Internet for non-SAKs.

From personal experience, my serrated Spartan excels at cutting French bread, nylon ropes etc.
I almost always carry a SAK with a serrated blade.


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Re: Serated vs non?
Reply #3 on: October 19, 2016, 09:09:49 PM
There's an abundance of comparisons on the Internet for non-SAKs.

True but a spyderco is no way a good comparison to a Soldier. The Vic blade is pretty unique in the industry.

I think it's time to do some dumpster diving for stuff to cut up.
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Re: Serated vs non?
Reply #4 on: October 19, 2016, 09:29:28 PM
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Re: Serated vs non?
Reply #5 on: October 19, 2016, 09:30:06 PM
I would like to see that comparison.  I have Spyderco serrated blades and love them but I don't have any SAK serrated blades. 
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Re: Serated vs non?
Reply #6 on: October 19, 2016, 09:51:54 PM
I like both, which is why I built the Mega84 and why I plan to build a Mega91


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Re: Serated vs non?
Reply #7 on: October 19, 2016, 09:57:24 PM
I just don't like the faff involved when you do eventually have to sharpen a serrated blade...
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Re: Serated vs non?
Reply #8 on: October 19, 2016, 10:01:53 PM
I just don't like the faff involved when you do eventually have to sharpen a serrated blade...

Don't sharpen the grooves, sharpen the reverse side.


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Re: Serated vs non?
Reply #9 on: October 19, 2016, 10:05:48 PM
I just don't like the faff involved when you do eventually have to sharpen a serrated blade...

I sharpen my Soldier all the time on nothing more then a butcher steel. As you can see by the hair on the blade I get the serations razor sharp. No special tool needed. Like I said the Vic blade is a little unique.
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Re: Serated vs non?
Reply #10 on: October 19, 2016, 10:27:02 PM
I just don't like the faff involved when you do eventually have to sharpen a serrated blade...

I sharpen my Soldier all the time on nothing more then a butcher steel. As you can see by the hair on the blade I get the serations razor sharp. No special tool needed. Like I said the Vic blade is a little unique.


Interesting, I didn't know that, maybe I should hunt down and Electrician Duo!  :)
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Re: Serated vs non?
Reply #11 on: October 20, 2016, 12:41:37 AM
I just don't like the faff involved when you do eventually have to sharpen a serrated blade...

I sharpen my Soldier all the time on nothing more then a butcher steel. As you can see by the hair on the blade I get the serations razor sharp. No special tool needed. Like I said the Vic blade is a little unique.

Nice Gene!!!! I still can't sharpen serrations very well...   :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Re: Serated vs non?
Reply #12 on: October 20, 2016, 05:04:55 AM
When rope is involved I definitely prefer serrated blades. I like the Gerber Paraframe II with half serrated blade for "utility" cutting.

The vic 111m serations and the "weekender" 91mm seem to be like a steak knife style, with all notches the same size, whereas my Matterhorn has one of those "patterns" of alternating large and small notches. It works well on rope too.

I'm all about a build with both types of blade...just need to find a cheap donor.
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Re: Serated vs non?
Reply #13 on: October 20, 2016, 05:38:19 AM
My observation regarding serrated is similar to many others. It's why nearly all soldier knives based on the Trekker have a partially serrated blade. It's immensely easier to cut through rope, particularly heavy stranded nylon and large diameter fiber (e.g. hemp - do they still use it??), camouflage netting, heavy canvas and similar thick or difficult materials (camouflage netting is one of them). My soldiers had to do this in the U.S. Army. While some demos may show a razor edged knife a barber could shave customers with can slice through some of these things with ease, how many will be able to maintain that kind of edge versus one that's very sharp? In short, some of the video demos I watched show what's possible, but not what's credible. Doing much cutting on some of the heavy, large diameter and thick fiber rope I've seen will quickly take that barber razor edge down to merely very sharp and you're left with the serrations to assist in getting the job done.

How you use the knife, maintain its sharpness, including how often versus hard use, will determine serrated versus non-serrated.

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Re: Serated vs non?
Reply #14 on: October 20, 2016, 11:01:36 AM
If you  plan on cutting hemp rope you wont do it with plain edge many times, maybe twice and you can say bye to your edge, other than that I really want clean cut not torn.
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Re: Serated vs non?
Reply #15 on: October 20, 2016, 11:48:41 AM
If you  plan on cutting hemp rope you wont do it with plain edge many times, maybe twice and you can say bye to your edge, other than that I really want clean cut not torn.

My guess is that it's best cut using a large shear or chopped with an axe . . . versus cut with a knife.

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Re: Serated vs non?
Reply #16 on: October 20, 2016, 03:17:51 PM
Actually, one of the ways to cut through heavy hemp rope cleanly is simply batoning. (Ashley illustrates it well, as usual, in his knot encyclopedia.)


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Re: Serated vs non?
Reply #17 on: October 20, 2016, 04:26:44 PM
Actually, one of the ways to cut through heavy hemp rope cleanly is simply batoning. (Ashley illustrates it well, as usual, in his knot encyclopedia.)

Indeed! I believe this was also the origin of the Sunfish or Elephant's Toenail folder (which is plain edged). For ropes under tension, an angled push cut (as if sharpening a pencil) works with a plain edge, but serrations do make the job a lot easier. I even had an old bread knife stashed near the controls on my boat , for use in propeller clearing and as an emergency "rope spanner"


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Re: Serated vs non?
Reply #18 on: October 21, 2016, 01:06:40 AM
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Re: Serated vs non?
Reply #19 on: October 21, 2016, 02:34:38 AM
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Re: Serated vs non?
Reply #20 on: October 21, 2016, 08:53:44 AM
I just don't like the faff involved when you do eventually have to sharpen a serrated blade...

I sharpen my Soldier all the time on nothing more then a butcher steel. As you can see by the hair on the blade I get the serations razor sharp. No special tool needed. Like I said the Vic blade is a little unique.


Interesting, I didn't know that, maybe I should hunt down and Electrician Duo!  :)


Doh! I meant a Carver, but that would mean no openers  :think:


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