Alox vs Cellidor - Pics wanted

[El Corkscrew]

Hey folks,
I'm trying to see what everyone's thoughts are on alox & cellidor.  I'm not seeing a real difference... 

But seriously, I want thoughts and pics.

  

[styx]

Since I'm as usually lazy to take pics, here is the short version of why I prefer alox over cellidor - my hands get very sweaty and cellidor models tend to become slippery. The evo grips which are contoured and the dual density grips do remedy that issue as well

[El Corkscrew]

Since I'm as usually lazy to take pics, here is the short version of why I prefer alox over cellidor - my hands get very sweaty and cellidor models tend to become slippery. The evo grips which are contoured and the dual density grips do remedy that issue as well

Thanks styx!  Makes sense.

[Smashie]

Not celidor, nylon

[magentus]

Alox pros - thicker tools (not sure how much difference that makes)
                     robust scales - love them, but getting anything other than standard silver is way costly
                   
Alox cons - no back tools so no mini sd, pin or pen either - lots of utility lost.
                     maximum of three layers
                     

Cellidor pros - back tools plus extra tools (see above)
                            scales easily replaced/upgraded, and come in lots of lovely colours
                           much more variety of model

Cellidor cons - scales not as robust as alox
                           

That's all I can think of on this sleepy Sunday afternoon. 

[El Corkscrew]

Not celidor, nylon

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officially oneup'd 

[El Corkscrew]

Alox pros - thicker tools (not sure how much difference that makes)
                     robust scales - love them, but getting anything other than standard silver is way costly
                   
Alox cons - no back tools so no mini sd, pin or pen either - lots of utility lost.
                     maximum of three layers
                     

Cellidor pros - back tools plus extra tools (see above)
                            scales easily replaced/upgraded, and come in lots of lovely colours
                           much more variety of model

Cellidor cons - scales not as robust as alox
                           

That's all I can think of on this sleepy Sunday afternoon. 

Nice thoughts Mags! And I agree with pretty much everything.  I think it should be said that it's still possible to get colored/old alox for a reasonable price.  I haven't paid over $35 for any of my used alox. 

[El Corkscrew]

Champion & Pioneer

[El Corkscrew]

EDC Pioneer & Climber II w/ German ad.

I love nylon scales.

The argument may be better stated 91 MM versus 93 MM.... But not without exception, of course.

[nmpops]

First, my most used SAK is Climber with Nylon scales as I really do not like Cellidor.  My favorite SAK is the Pioneer as I really like the heft and feel of Alox. The 91mm knives get the nod most of the time because of the small blade, which I use more than any other tool. The awl on the Pioneer will do almost everything the small blade will do but not quite.  I spent a lot of money on nylon scales fro Swiss Bianco when he had them and I will buy more is he ever has them in stock again. Although I may try the G-10 soon.

[El Corkscrew]

First, my most used SAK is Climber with Nylon scales as I really do not like Cellidor.  My favorite SAK is the Pioneer as I really like the heft and feel of Alox. The 91mm knives get the nod most of the time because of the small blade, which I use more than any other tool. The awl on the Pioneer will do almost everything the small blade will do but not quite.  I spent a lot of money on nylon scales fro Swiss Bianco when he had them and I will buy more is he ever has them in stock again. Although I may try the G-10 soon.

Well said 

I get used   scales that come with free knives attached on the bay for about 5 bucks each. The one pictured above is an excellent example. Newish tools.  Especially cheaper if you buy them in lots.

[MacGyver]

As far as main EDC Sak's go i'll always prefer classic red cellidor models 84/91mm. It's durable enough and has everything i need for real everyday use 95% os the time.
It has more tool choices than alox. And i like the look, feel and overall "friendliness" better  Oh... and the obvious Macgyver connection... 

I like alox for it's toughness in construction and beefier tools, so i'll use a Pioneer for anything that requires a tougher tool set and in environment's that might damaged cellidor scales, but I've never actually EDC'd my Pioneer, or even used it all that much. On a downside however the tools in alox are a bit harder to open as the springs are stiffer.

However as much as i like alox models they just doesn't actually feel like a "swiss army knife" to me or have that vibe, just an amazing quality sturdy pocket knife that happens to be made in Switzerland, by Victorinox.
I know it's stupid because the Pioneer's and similar are the direct descendants of the original soldier's knife, but over here we never actually call Sak's by anything related to "army", it was always called the "swiss pocket knife", so there was never that "military" vibe to it in term, and i never actually payed much attention to alox models till very recently.

So all in all, i always prefer the Cellidor for full size Sak EDC and alox for keychain size use. 

[El Corkscrew]

As far as main EDC Sak's go i'll always prefer classic red cellidor models 84/91mm. It's durable enough and has everything i need for real everyday use 95% os the time.
It has more tool choices than alox. And i like the look, feel and overall "friendliness" better  Oh... and the obvious Macgyver connection... 

I like alox for it's toughness in construction and beefier tools, so i'll use a Pioneer for anything that requires a tougher tool set and in environment's that might damaged cellidor scales, but I've never actually EDC'd my Pioneer, or even used it all that much. On a downside however the tools in alox are a bit harder to open as the springs are stiffer.

However as much as i like alox models they just doesn't actually feel like a "swiss army knife" to me or have that vibe, just an amazing quality sturdy pocket knife that happens to be made in Switzerland, by Victorinox.
I know it's stupid because the Pioneer's and similar are the direct descendants of the original soldier's knife, but over here we never actually call Sak's by anything related to "army", it was always called the "swiss pocket knife", so there was never that "military" vibe to it in term, and i never actually payed much attention to alox models till very recently.

So all in all, i always prefer the Cellidor for full size Sak EDC and alox for keychain size use. 

I hear you.

Well stated thoughts, I think I know what you mean with the SAK vibe but can't say I agree.  When I see an OC Pioneer I just don't feel like you can get anymore SAK-ish.

How about pairing a Rambler or MiniChamp with the Pioneer.  This is one of my fav combos. 

I dig the 91mm 58mm Alox too

[El Corkscrew]

Sawl Goodman 

[El Corkscrew]

I'm deep in the depths of indecision.

Everyday I can't choose between them.

Seriously, i have a problem.

It's been a real struggle...

[MacGyver]

I'm deep in the depths of indecision.

Everyday I can't choose between them.

Seriously, i have a problem.

It's been a real struggle...

Don't choose... carry both... 

[El Corkscrew]

I'm deep in the depths of indecision.

Everyday I can't choose between them.

Seriously, i have a problem.

It's been a real struggle...

Don't choose... carry both... 

Maybe in the Winter months when sporting a coat/jacket, but 3 in the pocket (counting key chain carry) is too much.  I want JUST ONE!!!!!!!   Please vote in el poll

https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,73013.0.html

[MacGyver]

I'm deep in the depths of indecision.

Everyday I can't choose between them.

Seriously, i have a problem.

It's been a real struggle...

Don't choose... carry both... 

Maybe in the Winter months when sporting a coat/jacket, but 3 in the pocket (counting key chain carry) is too much.  I want JUST ONE!!!!!!!   Please vote in el poll

https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,73013.0.html

Sooo.... "There can be only One!"   



You know i'll say Cellidor, preferably red... 

[El Corkscrew]

I'm deep in the depths of indecision.

Everyday I can't choose between them.

Seriously, i have a problem.

It's been a real struggle...

Don't choose... carry both... 

Maybe in the Winter months when sporting a coat/jacket, but 3 in the pocket (counting key chain carry) is too much.  I want JUST ONE!!!!!!!   Please vote in el poll

https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,73013.0.html

Sooo.... "There can be only One!"   

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You know i'll say Cellidor, preferably red... 

That works!  Angus was the reason I started liking SAKs in the first place...  Then I turned to the darkside... Black scales... then Alox Empire 

[Ron Who]

Comparison of some very popular models:

- Pioneer X vs Climber
- Farmer vs Camper

[jaya_man]

Yeoman for cellidor and Urban Compact for alox...

Urban Pioneer is 4 layers but is thinner than the Yeoman...


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[this_is_nascar]

Comparison of some very popular models:

- Pioneer X vs Climber
- Farmer vs Camper

What about overall usable durability, not meaning the scales?

For example, would it be expected that the Alox Pioneer-X would be more durable long-term than the Celidor Climber?


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[El Corkscrew]

Nice, Ro &  Jaya!

Alox/Cellidor carry for me today:

[El Corkscrew]

Comparison of some very popular models:

- Pioneer X vs Climber
- Farmer vs Camper

What about overall usable durability, not meaning the scales?

For example, would it be expected that the Alox Pioneer-X would be more durable long-term than the Celidor Climber?


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I'd say so... especially the main blade and scales.

[Ron Who]

Comparison of some very popular models:

- Pioneer X vs Climber
- Farmer vs Camper

What about overall usable durability, not meaning the scales?

For example, would it be expected that the Alox Pioneer-X would be more durable long-term than the Celidor Climber?


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I think any of these would make a lifetime companion. I'm carrying alox for looks, not for added durability.

[El Corkscrew]

Comparison of some very popular models:

- Pioneer X vs Climber
- Farmer vs Camper

What about overall usable durability, not meaning the scales?

For example, would it be expected that the Alox Pioneer-X would be more durable long-term than the Celidor Climber?


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I think any of these would make a lifetime companion. I'm carrying alox for looks, not for added durability.

For sure, but alox 93mm are more durable, safe to say methinks

[El Corkscrew]

Soldier taking orders from Officiers as usual...

[El Corkscrew]

both come in black...

[Faddy Daddy]

Often times I hear "well, it depends on which tools you use, or want, or need".

I suppose that is true to an extent but often I find, (doing my best MacGyver impression), it's making due with what you have available that counts. Of course, that being said, the more you have with you, the more creative one can become to complete a given task.

In my mind it really just comes down to a compromise of what or how much I'm willing to carry. In this regard, the celidor SAK's are hard to beat. For about the same size or weight, you are additionally getting at least a toothpick and tweezers, plus scales gets you a pin and a pen. Add a corkscrew, mini screw driver possibly awl and/or hook on the back and I'd argue there's really not much comparison keeping weight and size similar.

Like one of your fun to watch videos points out El Corkscrew, the compact is incredibly hard to beat for an edc if one truly remains practically minded. But that's where the conflict seems to start, at least for me. I have a gorgeous compact and climber sitting right here on my desk but it's my evowood 14 that's sitting in my pocket for the last half a week, because it has the basic tools I want, (blade and scissors), and those oh so cool looking wood scales that I've come to admire.

That's my two cents, sorry bout the ramble!

[El Corkscrew]

Indeed, it's awl about the ramble (or Rambler )